Emergency Exit + Regenerator/Intimidate are such great ideas and I'm ashamed I didn't think of this sooner. I'm really hoping the devs will take all the constructive criticism to heart and not just stick their heads in the ground. It must be hard to be in their position where everyone is constantly mad at them for changing things about the game, so I'm hoping they can differentiate actual constructive criticism and people angerly yelling about how their favorite Pokémon got nerfed (cough cough tinkaton).
Yeah , trying to balance a game like this must be a nightmare , and also with such a hateful , ungrateful community like the pokemon community is . Like lets just take a step back and realize this whole game is fully free , with no ads , dont need to sigh up with an e-mail , so selling our data is very unlikely , and most if not all of the people working on this game are using there free time and resources to make and work on it . Yes some of these decisions arent perfect or even good , but that can be fixed with time and willpower .
I think the main problem on why they are giving insane amounts of offensive abilities to pokemon is due to endless’ only defensive counterplay being sturdy, so in an endless context none of the other abilities matter. Though it would be so much more fun if they considered classic more and provided us with way more defensive passives
From the balance thread: "Endless is going to be changed, so we do not balance for it (endless is inherently always going to be an unbalanced game mode, so balancing specifically for it is fruitless, only if something is completely breaking it should it be considered)."
@@HoodlumCallum don't you think way more hours go into endless than classic? Id think it makes more sense to make classic harder, which they have been trying i think?
I think my main problem with Tsareena having Moxie is that, when combined with the egg moves between the two of them, it basically turns it into a Grass type Quaquaval. Same attack stat, Aqua Step to raise it's own speed, Trop Kick to lower attack, Triple Axel to do Triple Axel things, and then Thunderous Kick. Like okay, the kicking pokemon both have kicking moves, cool, but now they have access to the same ability. Why do we need two pokemon built so similarly when passives can make things more diverse.
@@walkableboat3343 so instead of quaquaval you play....quaquaval but grass type? also in which situation would you be forced to use quaquaval specifically?
@@radioheado I’m just saying for example if you like tsareena but she’s not very good for pokerogue but quaquaval has better moves/passive it means it makes it a lot harder to use tsareena over quaquaval but by making them have the same passive and moves it allows for people to use Pokémon they like over Pokémon that are meta without having to have a much harder time
Been loving the discussion on the passives. It's good to talk about this sort of thing, since pokerogue is such a community game, it's really fun to have this sort of interaction with the game and fun to play with the changes and updates! Thanks for all the pokerogue stuff cal!
@@theluxalpha then that’s 2 reasons it should have it. Cause I ain’t never seen azumarill, mawhile, diggersby, or medicham lift a hammer weighing a 1,000,000 tons lol
I really agree about how things feel hyper offensive and kinda boring. I feel endless niche passive abilities got mostly removed or ignored. When I posted in feedback about pokemon losing Queenly Majesty, I got a comment about “dead passives for fusion fodder” instead of acknowledgement that having niche passives for different game modes is a fun concept
I liked trace for slaking ,as it was justified “monkey see monkey do”, even if it is a little cheesy. I saw someone saying comatose was more thematic which is true though. I don’t see any reason for archeops or golisopod to have it though yeah.
They could give Slaking neutralizing gas to nullify its own Truant ability. Same solution, but thematically makes more sense than trace. Another ability I considered was Unseen Fist, gets rid of Slaking's biggest weakness, protect moves. They could pair this with U-turn as an egg move and just have him be a really strong chip damage pivot. Gorilla Tactics Giga Impact also sounds super fun though.
@@NightKev It actually did at some point, they specifically changed it after a while so that neutralizing gas would no longer affect the Pokémon's own ability/passive so Weezing could benefit from a passive, but originally it worked on your own abilities too.
Sizzlipede gets speed boost because venipede is it's rival line it's very fitting as their dex entries talk about them competing and in real like centipedes are incredibly fast for their size
The thing is, there are creative Passives that you can give these mons while also achieving the same result. Slaking would make perfect sense to get Unseen Fist as a passive. Obviously the AI doesn't ever really protect, but this would bypass that weakness while still keeping the drawback of Truant. He's a big sloth gorilla, so a fist-based ability fits thematically. I also like your suggestion of Guerilla Tactics. Both miles better than Trace. I suggested this a while ago on the poll for changes, but I think Talonflame should get Rock Head. There's a pun in there (Roc Head, Roc = Mythical Fire Bird) while also achieving the broken Gale Wings Brave Bird spam dream. Instead, Staraptor has Rock Head as a passive. Why not Scrappy for Staraptor? The NORMAL/Flying type that was made famous for having access to Close Combat? That seems way more fitting for Staraptor, and would make Rock Head less repetitive on Talonflame. Just a couple ideas that achieve similar outcomes while staying true to the themes and not just being broken for the sake of being broken.
i kept saying in the Discord that Golisopod should have Tough Claws, or Shell Armor. Both work great Gameplay wise, and both work great theme wise, and it had Tinted lens before which was GREAT, even if it didnt match theme wise all to well...Seriously i dont know how many times i said that in the Discord.
a lot of these changes sound like whoever implemented them didnt have that much creativity cmon, sniper is perfect for decidueye i do like moxie on croagunk but i see why you'd prefer pickpocket considering how valuable it would be in rogue (also croagunk seems like a chaotic little shit anyway lmao)
I think Slaking should have moody. 1. It fits thematically because Slaking is all grumpy that someone woke him up, and 2. is especially useful for Slaking since it usually has to stay in play for quite a while to get things done anyway, since it loafs around every other turn. It can now use that time to stack stat buffs.
What I don't get about slacking's passive is that regigigas has slow start and got skill swap as an egg move; if they wanted to give pokemon a way to get rid of abilities they have that as an option without needing trace
Honestly, emergency exit is seen as bad because it doesn't switch out at the end of the turn, it does it as soon as Golisopod reaches 50% hp, so the Pokemon can have been switched in, attacked and then instantly forced out again, and as things are random, Golisopod may just be your best thing against the thing you tried to switch it in against. You may have planned to first impression the target. And sometimes you can't sacrifice a teammeber either, really constricting how you build with Golisopod in mind. Also, have fun with the engagement, also slightly the point of the comment. Hope this brings at least 1 more viewer, but hopefully more lol EDIT: A combo you can do with Tinkaton as I still see it having value if you have the Hidden Ability is to combo it with any pokemon with Moxie or Glastrier as it has chilling neigh which allows you to still boost your attacks on kos. Also Glastrier's rare egg move is Glacial Lance which is 120 base power and 100% accurate spread move, meaning that its also great against Eternatus.
Which is why Regenerator may be really fun, since you can pivot to Golisopod, take the hit and immediately pivot out for basically free. (The newly switched in pokemon doesn't take the hit, since Golisopod already took it during that turn) This gives you free pivots.
Well they could have swap tinks passive and hidden ability so it became harder to get, you can't make steel fairy hugepower kartana fusion and gives ability charm a usage. Idk they made tink useless since it's base stats are horrible
The "Trace-trio" is definitely the most conspicuous case of just wasted opportunities with these passives. And aside from Trace, both Defeatist and Emergency Exit aren't even a permanent debuff, Emergency Exit even plays into Golisopods original Signature Move First Impression! I remember the main reason people disliked it is because "oh, but it can't set up because the setup would be undone when it's forced out!" well then don't set up! But anyways, good passives could totally allow players to circumvent or even profit of those two abilities (Edit: Heck, that's actually just what they did for Wishiwashi, which is arguably in the same club, it just has the benefit of being buffed by its ability but losing that buff below half HP, so they can't just Trace it away!). Regenerator is a big one, for both imo, it'd even trigger Emergency Exit immediately, OR if you want to keep them from falling into the range of their abilities, Multiscale would also be pretty good for both of them, even makes sense for Archeops, and with Leech Life Golisopod could actually heal and get back to close to full and keep it up! Truant is the more difficult ability to play around, since there's nothing that really profits off a Pokemon not being able to move every 2nd turn, but honestly, with how strong Slaking is, what it often needs is just the safety to not die during its Truant-turn, so the suggested buff from RadRed would work well for that, that wouldn't even take the passive slot, or they could give it Fur Coat for additional bulk, and have you seen how furry Slaking is? It'd make a ton of sense! Another option would be Unseen Fist from Urshifu of course, to get around if the AI is smart enough to protect every 2nd turn when it can attack, No Guard could also work to get around Fly instead... Dig can be countered with Earthquake... Also kinda disappointing to me is Moxie on Croagunk, from what I recall Toxicroak could generally be run either way, but Moxie pushes it down the physical direction, when other mixed offensive or special attacking mons like Infernape or Pyroar got Beast Boost instead, I think I would've preferred that here as well... although imo the only one where Beast Boost really slides thematically is Infernape because it's based on Sun Wukong... Merciless definitely would be the best though for Croagunk, especially because I think Mareanies protect-move that poisons on contact is one of its egg-moves? Easy way to set up crits. I also find it somewhat funny, they gave Rillaboom and Bulu both Grass Pelt, but not just that they also gave the only Pokemon that got Grassy Pelt before, Gogoat, Grassy Surge, so we basically have 3 Pokemon that do the same thing. Now, Gogoat as the original holder of Grassy Pelt kinda needs Surge, but for the other 2 there are other options. Like, Rillaboom fits Grassy Pelt visually, but Gorilla Tactics also makes sense! And I know it usually likes to run stuff like Fake Out, don't know if it does in PokeRogue as well, but it's for cases like this where you can just turn of passives, and if you do run it you get Choice Banded free Grassy Glide! Meanwhile Bulu... I think one of Bulus biggest problem was generally the lack of reliable Fairy-type STAB? So... just give it Pixilate. A good ability I could see for Goodra is Water Bubble for that Water-type STAB without actually being a Water-type. I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought/wanted Goodra to either be a secondary Water- or Poison-type, and while there's no ability that gives STAB for poison-types yet, Water Bubble exists and feels like it makes sense for a snail... assuming they don't want to go back to Drizzle. Otherwise also, for Poison at least kinda, Toxic Chain! I can at least kinda see Well-Baked Body for Pansage, since iirc there was a Baker-trainer class in BW that liked using the elemental monkeys, and also you could see it as a reference to the gym-trio who of course worked in a cafe and I'm pretty sure they used their monkeys to make like the perfect tea, so... heating Pansages leaves was kinda part of that? I guess Sap Sipper on Panpour also works potentially even better due to that, but... yeah, these are definitely questionable ability-choices... especially since part of the reason they even exist is to teach type-matchups with your starter! On that note, I also remembered Grimer and Alolan Grimer, I don't remember what Kantonian Grimer got, but they gave Alolan Earth Eater and Kantonian didn't, which just feels absolutely unfair considering Alolan Grimer already got rid of the Psychic-weakness Kantonian Grimer has, Ground is its only weakness, I feel in terms of fairness it would've made more sense to give Kantonian Grimer Earth Eater so it only has its Psychic-type weakness while Alolan Grimer got the other passive. In a lot of cases it just feels like they saw an obvious type-weakness and their only answer was "make it immune!" whenever possible...
The worst part abt the trace thing is that they didn't even do it for all the bad abilities. It makes it look even more lazy bc regigigas gets mind's eye which is unique and interesting.
Btw there are a couple errors/outdated info in the sheet, one being Lokix: "Stakeout lokix was actually an error lol it’s already been corrected to moxie" Archeops and Golisopod are getting a new HA probably (though it's not definite, there's still lots of discussion happening and it's hard to say what the dev team is going to do with them at this point) and if they do then Golisopod will get regenerator. --- Gunshoos keeping HP would require it losing its Extreme Speed egg move, and they seem to want to keep ES rather than HP. Ribombee is losing Friend Guard but Indeedee is gaining it, so it's a net zero change in mons with FG. Tinted lens is only going up net 2, 5 are gaining and 3 are losing, so it's not as many as it seems.
I found the note they put for Slaking justified Trace well enough: "monkey see, monkey do." But yeah it makes less than zero sense on the other two. Completely agree that Regenerator makes more sense for Golisopod, and Archeops has plenty of abilities that could make more sense. I'll also point out that, on the topic of changes to ability access from the main games, Regigas was given a Hidden Ability in this game - Normalize. So if the balance team are willing to add hidden abilities to "fix" these detrimental abilities, they might as well just use that approach.
They took away froakie surging strikes so sad. But they also took away adaptability and changed it to stakeout? Was greninja too strong for them, but beast boost mega charizard is A-OK? 🗿
It feels like alot of the changes are made to fit more of the playerbase or devs playstyles (no hate) instead of considering themematic and more niche use abilities that make the pokemon stand out from each other. Especially in mainline pokemon where multiple pokemon do the same you'll only choose the best one(s) for it (i.e Swift Swim mons) so the passives helped make those mons more fun, they may of not been the best but they were fun to try and learn to use imo. This game helped teach me to use more bulky or different pokemon than just OP nuke damage mons so its kinda sad to see these passive changes going in that direction.
i think with pokemon that have negative abilities, they could add an option to remove the ability by using candies, i feel that would be in line with how they wish to develop their game
I was telling my friend yesterday about how much I think Golisopod with regenerator would be much better, just to see your thumbnail that said the same thing lol. I like how we had the same idea
You know, Analytic would make a lot of sense for Decidueye if they didn't want to go the Sniper route. Waiting for the opponent to move, then striking? Maybe Stake Out would work if not that
Are passives taken into consideration when balancing the point system???? If Charizard is getting beast boost, why would I waste the extra 2 points on starting with an ultra beast when my 634 BST 5 point Mega Charizard Y with DROUGHT will have it anyway? To me it's kind of taking away from the fun of using pokemon who aren't "gg ez mode" great anyway. In the words of Syndrome: "And when everyone's super, no one will be." I like variety, I don't want EVERY pokemon to be able to no brain hyper offense solo Classic...
I dont have much pokemon knowledge, but have been addicted to this game for months now. Can't we just make it so that there are multiple passives to unlock for each mon? Yes, mons will get broken, but who cares? The reason I love this game is because its got so much variety. I don't want to use the same mon every run. So I don't see the issue in choosing between multiple passives. Would also make the candy grind more interesting if you use a pokemon more often.
Funny thing is, if there is any chance of changes in the game, it'll have to go through the discord. BUT GET THIS, that place is a fockin mess. One look in the "Passive Abilities Feedback" thread, and its full of people trying to make every pokemon a sweeping monster. They don't care about themes, as long as it's strong/good. They'll give it an ability.
I fully disagree with everyone that has an issue with the passive changes that don't make much sense. I do like it when the passives make a ton of sense, for example one of my favorites were Strong Jaw on Krookodile. But you have to understand that the passive abilities are one of, if not THE grindiest mechanic in the game. There is no fucking way you could honestly convince me that you would ever consider getting 50 candies on Talonflame just for Aerilate to give it a slightly stronger recoiling flying type move. No one would
I honestly think that passives should be new abilities that the devs come up with instead of just tacking an already existing ability on a pokemon, it would help make pokemon unique and some could have an additional utility role on top of what they did before.
One thing I thought about is what if there were multiple options for passive abilities? Keep in mind that I am not a programmer, so I have no idea on how hard this would be to implement. Let’s take Slaking as an example. When unlocking a passive ability, Guts would cost less candies than Gorilla Tactics, and Gorilla Tactics would cost less than Trace. Trace would be VERY expensive so unlocking the very busted passive requires more work. Outside of unlocking more stuff, multiple passive ability options would allow people to choose how they want to play. All three example passives have a different niche. Plus it would allow ‘mons like Nidoqueen to get back flavor abilities like Queenly Majesty. In the end, you can only choose one passive ability! As for bosses, it would choose one passive ability at random. So Slaking bosses only have a 1/3 chance to be extremely scary.
Sizzlipede getting Speed Boost as a passive in Pokerogue is perfectly fine with me when Scolipede gets it as a hidden ability in the actual main-line games.
And since we're talking about possible passive changes we would like. Kecleon gets adaptability to increase its damage and well, yeah he needs it but I want to get funky with my child. I would give Kecleon Wonder Skin or Dazzling, Chameleons are very colorful creatures, communicating their mood by the vibrancy of their colors, more dull colors representing fear or aggresion while more vibrant colors generally represent happiness or excitement.
Alright, got an update on all the changes from the initial changelog posted (some of this was already changed on the google sheets page but not necessarily all of it yet): "Armaldo - Reverted change (Keeping Water Absorb) Iron Jugulis - Lightning Rod (Changed from Aerilate) Eternatus - Levitate (Changed from Supreme Overlord) Poltchageist - Triage (Changed from Well-Baked Body) Alola Vulpix - Reverted change (Keeping Ice Body) Happiny - Fur Coat (Changed from Fluffy) Castform - Reverted change (Keeping Adaptability) Groudon - Turboblaze (Changed from Flash Fire) Klink - Reverted change (Keeping Steelworker) Binacle - Sap Sipper (Changed from Sturdy) Grimer - Earth Eater (Changed from Water Absorb) Alola Grimer - Water Absorb (Changed from Earth Eater) Caterpie - Reverted change (keeping Magician) Claydol - Well Baked Body (Changed from Water Absorb) Goomy - Regenerator (Changed from Dragons Maw) Morelull - Triage (Changed from Well Baked Body) Nymble - Moxie (Changed from Stakeout) Tropius - Reverted change (keeping Cud Chew) Smoliv - Reverted change (keeping Ripen) Shuckle - Harvest (changed from Ripen) Gimmighoul - Put in time out for doing too much Dwebble - Anger Shell (Changed from Dry Skin)"
For a couple you mentioned "yeah my suggestion would make it worse but it's better thematically" so I'll drop this convo from the balance discussion thread (since I agree with them lol): "lets not nerf mons for the sake of theme passives are something fun people wanna work towards that are cool additions that help the mon would you really want to work and grind candy for a meh passive like i get theme but lets also make sure these passives passives are worth going for for players and being thematic is a cool bonus ofc make sure the passives arent too op" "sure but id rather passives still contribute to the identity of the mon as well" "yes thats why we try to look for passives that fit both criteria the issue is thats also very very limited thats why there are so much duplicates bcuz good semi thematic passives are Very limited there are 500 pokemon 500 starters and only so many good abilities to go around"
I honestly wouldn’t mind custom passive abilities. Passives clearly aren’t a vanilla pokemon concept, so who says they have to be vanilla abilities too? That way we can have passives that interact with existing abilities, like something that augments truant to allow slack off
I think it would have been cool to give the elemental monkeys abilities that acknowledge their subtle themes to "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" with keen eye, soundproof, and such
Sizzlipeed getting speed boost (still not the best choice) may be because defiant doese not work with white smoke? SInce it prevents stats from lowering defiant may never happen? just a guess
My frustration with Tinkaton losing Huge Power in exchange for Steelworker is that I'm now literally just spamming Gigaton Hammer outside of Trainer battles (where I'm alternating it with something else because I'm literally not allowed to use it in sequence). Before today the main move I was using on Tinkaton was Play Rough, using Gigaton Hammer as an occasional nuke. That, in my opinion, was a much more fun and involved way of playing the game. The most egregious thing IMO is that even if it's 1x Not-Very-Effective while Play Rough is hitting neutral, Gigaton Hammer is still doing 33% more damage than Play Rough ([160*1.5]/2 = 120 versus Play Rough's 90), so outside of the cooldown turn or something specifically weak to Fairy, why would I *not* use Gigaton Hammer? This change turns Tinkaton into a boring one-trick-pony, and I dislike that.
Thanks for making this video (and the tier list one). My main thought when first looking through the list of upcoming changes was "a lot of these are boring", so I'm glad I'm not the only one. One example of a change that is more "power over theme" that rather annoys me is Vulpix's Cursed Body→Solar Power. Sure, the latter makes it more powerful, especially with Drought, but Cursed Body fits so well thematically. Vulpix has a whole "mystical" theme and feel to it, with moves like Spite, Disable, Confuse Ray-moves that are typically found on Ghost types. Cursed Body, while not necessarily super useful (especially late game when it's a lot more "OHKO or be OHKO'd"), has its place and can actually help in the early game, and overall is thematically on point.
Honestly I would like to see more weather setters, I think Drought Talonflame would be really interesting, in my head I just see the ball being thrown up and the burst of flames as this rad fire hawk parts the clouds. So many mons have great weather abilities that you can build teams around, give the less powerful mons the utility to set up the weather for their sand rushes and or snow cloaks etc.
gen 3 ou strats for slaking, just need to build team around him, which is probably the same with any pokemon that has a niche. the gen 3 ou slaking team was ran Slaking with : - Adamant Nature - Return / body slam - Earthquake - Shadow Ball / sucker punch - Focus Punch With a team of Blastoise , Skarmory , Blissey, Jirachi with wish protect, and Flygon
I think Wimp Out or Berserk would be really fun as passives for Archeops because they get going at the same time as Defeatist. For Wimp Out, Archeops is usually fast enough to act before it gets put in Defeatist range, at which point you’ll get a free switch instead of worrying about what kind of opening your enemy will get from you playing around Archeops’ dead weight. Its Special Attack is pretty usable too, so Berserk could both sort of compensate for Defeatist and get people to experiment with special sets. My vote would go Wimp Out. It and Defeatist make a fun personality pairing and Berserk still leaves you at 0.75x on your weaker attacking stat.
They did my boi Golisopod dirty, not gonna work on unlocking its Passive until they change it. Regenerator, Tough Claws, Intimidate, Shell Armor and more are all both thematically fitting and would be very useful on it. Trace is so creatively bankrupt I can’t comprehend it.
One that seems to be going under everyone's radar is Dreepy (Dragapult) getting Parental Bond. It thematically makes sense with both its design and signature move, but is also pretty good for gameplay (Dragon Darts + Multi Lens + Parental Bond + King's Rock...yeah might be a little broken)
ok i love coming up with random ideas. talonflame - reckless & aerilate make sense on it. I think defiant is also an ok option. I don't think there are any talonflame options that make me go "it must be that one." slaking - gorilla tactics would go hard. alternatively, give it slow start. "i can make him worse." golisopod - i like the regenerater/intimidate idea a lot ngl. archeops - i feel like speed boost could go hard on it since high speed => faster roost without breaking the concept and this guy looks like he can run. emergency exit could also be an interesting option since it synergizes a bit with defeatist. hawlucha - scrappy makes a ton of sense. reckless is the main alternative that comes to mind, but that ability is already splashed on too many fighting types. it would be funny if adaptability caused Flying Press to get the boost twice, but that's probably not how that works. I kinda like quick feet for it since hawlucha going nyoom is the one thing I care about with its gameplay identity. I think technician and vital spirit are also solid options. Vital spirit is good if hawlucha doesn't really need buffs, technician is good if hawlucha wants to go brr during the early game, as a single stage fighting type mon. aerodactyl - intimidate. i'm saying that before i see what you have to say. it's a giant fuck-you dinosaur. intimidate. i kinda like protosynthesis on aerodactyl actually, since it's a distant past mon. feels a bit aesthetic > gameplay. clefable - hear me out: guts clefable. Would it be good? No. would it make sense thematically. fuck no. Would it be extremely funny? Yes. I want Clefable to bench press everyone into oblivion. lokix - no thoughts. technician and stake-out both sound reasonable, but your logic makes sense. goodra - drizzle is perfect for goodra tho. that's so sad. I feel like it would be very funny but illogical to give it cotton down. "do not touch the slug." But yeah, keep drizzle. It's really interesting to have a drizzle pokemon that's not water type. If for whatever reason it's too strong: rain dish or swift swim. Just something thematically related to rain. the crocs - yeah, strong jaw makes sense. I could see Feraligatr getting intimidate as an alternative. But, like, they bitey. charizard - beast boost makes zero sense. charizard is not an ultra beast last i checked? I liked intimidate. not good for a x4 rock weak pokemon, but that's.. not why I'd be using charizard. if we want something else, dragon's maw seems pretty reasonable. it learned dragon breath by level up, so it's not wasted if you get bad luck with tms. gale wings wouldn't be awful if it's paired with a decent egg move, like bleakwind storm maybe? hyper cutter makes sense, even if it's not the most interesting one in the world. moody could be funny, but I think moody as an ability is too cursed for me to fully endorse putting it on anyone. mold breaker isn't a bad option, you could even go turboblaze if you want to make it fire themed mold breaker. infernape - i don't like the idea of two starters have the same passive. Like, off the top of my head reckless is fine but not very interesting. I feel like giving it gale wings could be an off-the-wall choice that references sun wu-kong flying around on a cloud. pair it with acrobatics and it could probably cook. oppurtunist could be funny monke and also insanely strong. Infernape is a pretty solid candidate for moxie I think. Like, monke has moxie. Monke would kick you in the dick for funsies. unburden could also work. I think Victory Star would be a pretty valid choice for infernape if you wanted to give it a legendary pokemon's ability. blissey - hear me out: bulletproof. blissey reminds me of the assault vest item because both have high special defense. and assault vests are typically bulletproof. furthermore, blissey is shaped like an egg, which is a ball-like shape, and who better than a ball to protect against balls? it's brilliant. toxicroak - no thoughts, merciless makes sense elemental monkeys - I feel like giving them torrent/overgrow/blaze makes the most straight-forward sense. even if it's not going to push them into high tiers of viability per say. druddigon - my first thought is shed skin. that guy looks like he sheds. barbaracle - my first thought was storm drain since I feel like barbacle should have a water resist or immunity but the rock typing takes that away. decidueye - yeah, sniper makes the most sense thematically. i think if you wanted to give it a more exciting ability, maybe something like aerilate to reference it being a bird. alternatively, analytic or shadow tag. the former addresses the speed issue in a more in-character way while the ladder is kinda just since decidueye's signature move is already a trapping move, letting it do that when hitting the field might be nice. gunshoos - i agree, no comments ribombee - i agree, no comments araquanid - I feel like adaptability would be very funny to use since it's already got water bubble. but yeah, unnerve makes sense and it's a really good ability because berry spam. shiinotic - i'd give it earth eater personally. my reasoning is that I don't have many bright ideas for its ability, plants eat dirt, and it's a relatively defensive fuck-you mon, so earth eater would fit alright with its play style. pixilate also make some sense because it's a creepy fairy and pixelate is a vaguely menacing sounding fairy ability. sap sipper could also be cool since it would imply a parasitic relationship between shiinotic and plants. shadow shield makes sense because it's creepy. seed sewer isn't an awful idea. symbiosis could fuck hard if the game pushes for more doubles stuff. unnerve would be pretty valid for it, its design is meant to be a bit unnerving. tsareena - yeah, ripen makes sense considering that its baby form is literally a berry. i feel like supreme overlord would fit tsareena, but I like ripen better ngl. centiskorch - yeah, speed boost makes no sense. i could see it having blaze.
Are hidden abilities obtainable here? I'm a huge swampy fan and I'd love to have Damp Swampert so that I have a defense for things randomly blowing up on me during long gauntlets. Would choose that over drizzle tbh.
Triage has been amazing for them, but I really want the Oddish lines to get Drought. It would be nice to give them a very solid grass stab move in Solarbeam, activate their chlorophyll, and even power up their fire egg move of Fiery Dance. Both Bellossom and Vileplume have base 50 speed, so speeding them up to 100 really isn't that crazy. Half of Bellossom's dex entries are about it dancing to make the sun shine, and given the fact that the entire line can learn Sunny Day, it's not out of the question in terms of lore.
I know it technically doesn't need it but buffing Bulletproof to work against moves it would make sense for it to work against in other languages would be cool. Also saying you don't think Analytic fits Clefable thematically then immediately saying No Guard would be cool is hilarious
My personal favourite change is still chingling getting punk rock; it has torch song as an egg move, and with this change they also added 2 more sound based egg moves; i love this so much thematically. its a wind chime after all, sound moves make sense. For the suggested changes in this video, love a lot of them, but here are my suggestions anyway: Slaking: i like your suggestion a lot, but just to name some alternative ideas: No guard: mega kick and hammer arm being 100% accurate for the turns it can move would be great. Maybe we could tweak the egg moves a little even to double down. Moody: bidoof gets this too. It fits thematically in my mind (monkey be moody) and getting free stat boosts in the turn youre loafing around makes the turn less wasted at least. And finally, if they truly want to stick with this gimmick, id prefer giving it Lingering aroma: it makes it so there is still a downside to the base ability, but you now do have a way of removing it. And smelly slothmonkeything is not too far a stretch, unlike trace. Archeops: since it is a fossil, maybe you could go with wandering spirit instead of trace to remove its bad ability. It may be the lazy way out, bu5 since ut learns uturn, regenerator to be able to get yourself above 50% could be great. Though i think thematically, run away would fit incredibly well with defeatist and the ability definitely has merit in pokerogue. I love technician for talon, but i think just thematically, with the whole recoil thing, and since basculin gets it, i think the speeds at which talonflame goes a rock head would still make some sense... more than magic guard at least.
Balance wise they've painted themselves into a hole. Endless really doesn't have room for almost anything that isn't a hyper offensive sweeper. And the only feature that pushes the game towards more defensive play (boss break bars) can be overcome by just using more damage. The heavy presence of healing berries also pushes the game towards sweepers because if you kill the enemy in one shot, those berries never kick in. Even in classic there are so many battles, and the carried over stat changes from battle to battle heavily encourage a sweeper playstyle. This heavy reinforcement of sweepers then pushes the game towards boring abilities like moxie/beastboost, and sturdy because that's what's easy for most people to use, and thus what's fun for many people; an overwhelming majority of people hate losing, and strongly prefer boring strategies if they let them win. If the poke-rogue team wants to have a game with more variety and interesting stuff for people to explore, they're going to need to either decide that the game isn't for most people, or change the design of some of the game's core mechanics to push the game away from the boosted hyper carry.
I think I'd prefer if Truant would just... make Slaking go to Sleep instead of idling for a turn if it's possible to make it guaranteed to wake up on the second turn and then he could keep Guts. That'd allow multiple chances to get him active on every turn without just turning the passive off, either through finding poison/burn orbs to give him or by finding Snore or Sleep Talk to teach him.
Pokerogue is really boring now, did endless, haven't played in a while, my Kyurem which I've done runs with before feels weak, I can't hold that many berries, it wasn't fun when battles dragged out because bosses had a million berries and they have to balance it out, but damn, it's boring not getting that feeling of finding loot. Items seem worse too, yay, I got a toxic orb, items just seem like they got nerfed. Overall I feel weak when playing, that's not fun at all, it might be more balanced but it sure isn't fun.
At least with Gallade-M you can argue that it never existed at the same time as Sharpness, and if it had Gamefreak probably would've given it Sharpness over Inner Focus. Also I suddenly want to see Analytic on Metagross.
You could remove slakings ability by just using a dna splicer and choosing slaking as first pokemon. In that situation guts even is a pretty nice bonus. While i do believe they should consider the gameplay side, just making custom sets without thinking about thematics is not the way. (But disregarding gameplay shouldnt happen either ofc) Changes i like are opportunist on the gen 9 box legendaries. Yes this is more on the gameplay side, but idk, i just like it. And earth eater heatran. Yes its to negate his 4x weakness, but, its mouth is big and close to the ground and it looks like it is actualy eating earth
i think the fact that everything's being turned into an offensive mon is *especially* bad for what this game is. it's a roguelike. one of the main appeals of roguelikes is strategizing with what you've been given, and creating unique builds. if every pokemon plays the same, you lose that *very integral part* of its appeal. i especially dislike them hitting the undo button for pokemon with bad abilities. characters that are difficult to beat roguelikes with are a fun challenge, that can bring some fun bragging rights. beating nuclear throne with melting would be a LOT less impressive if you could start the game out with normal hp.
I might be alone in this but I much prefer Opportunist over Psychic Surge for Abra. Alakazam is like a super computer and him analysing his opponents every upgrade is cool to me instead of just being a psychic type that does psychic type things
I feel like a lot of problems are more just with how the game is built. You're really really rewarded for just.. sweeping in a single turn with one carry, less so in classic but especially so in endless. the game isn't really built for strategies revolving around switching or setting up weather or hazards or anything like that. It's kinda disappointing
I really miss Maushold not getting Parental bond , not only does it make a lot of sense with the pokemon , but i really wanted to try a full multi lens , full grip claw , population bomb Maushold to try to steal every and all items from pokemon . Also to defend some of these changes i like , i really like Speed boost on sizzlipede , cuz the pokemon and it evos are based on heaters and similar stuff , and speed boost gives the impression of the pokemon heating up . Also kinda like Moxie on Croagunk , defenetly prefer it over pickpocket , that pokemon isnt very much a thief so it didnt make sense to me at all .
I'm still entirely annoyed with taking Adaptability from Froakie. Stakeout is only good in trainer battles which is fair, but it means he's useless for endless right now.
ı have to agree that the current passive changes really dont allow for any stall strats or defensive tanky builds bulbasaur is the best example of a defensive build with thick fat and grassy surge(ı could also see rain dish or flower gift as other defensive passives that dont set up grassy terrain) or y'know you could give it solar power for pure offense xd ı dont have its passive unlocked but ı beat eternatus with whirlpooling wailord with rest and amnesia and ı think thats a viable strategy
So my question has been with all this. Why not give them multiple passives that you can unlock. Then you pick only one to take in with you. Like every system is there. Then you can do thematic passives but still do the singles style of kill yourself if you cant one shot everything.
The only thing I can think of for dewpider is looking at the design and comparing it to yanmega where they both have a clear coating over their eyes that could almost work like glasses which most tinted lens Pokémon have or just good eyes but unnerve does just feel better
I hate the fact that I can't enjoy pokerogue anymore. I was completely hooked for ages but then I completed the gen 2 dex and I just can't do it anymore. Sad to see
Honestly I’d like to see more abilities that are a small help to good Pokémon - stuff like Hyper cutter, Download, Thermal Exchange and Water Compaction that are ‘outclassed’ by other abilities instead of slapping moxie and adaptability on everything. There is no balance to that. I also just think that nothing should get beast boost unless it’s ultra beast adjacent. Justifying it with “beast” as a word defining most monsters and animals is just unconvincing to me. Something like Competitive is more fitting for Litleo which is a great ability. I could also see Pinsir with Arena Trap instead if sap sipper / tinted lens or whatever, since the AI likes to switch so much it might be useful to trap with mega pinsir. Mycelium Might on Shiinotic - it’s already slow as hell, it might as well be able to spore through insomnia.
I personally liked it a lot more when they tried to make the passives thematically fitting, it's a mistake to make everything so hyperfixated on raw damage
My biggest complaint about a lot of mons losing strong jaw for tough claws: mightyena. It is LITERALLY THE "BITE POKEMON". it already gets almost every biting move, and it's a 50% boost vs tough claws' 30%
The pokerogue devs turned my grandmother into a hyper offensive sweeper at this point.
😂 good comment
emergency exit with intimidate, let him cook
This is not VGC buddy
@@JustDefault2 It's still a fun strat to think of
Emergency Exit + Regenerator/Intimidate are such great ideas and I'm ashamed I didn't think of this sooner. I'm really hoping the devs will take all the constructive criticism to heart and not just stick their heads in the ground. It must be hard to be in their position where everyone is constantly mad at them for changing things about the game, so I'm hoping they can differentiate actual constructive criticism and people angerly yelling about how their favorite Pokémon got nerfed (cough cough tinkaton).
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Yeah , trying to balance a game like this must be a nightmare , and also with such a hateful , ungrateful community like the pokemon community is . Like lets just take a step back and realize this whole game is fully free , with no ads , dont need to sigh up with an e-mail , so selling our data is very unlikely , and most if not all of the people working on this game are using there free time and resources to make and work on it . Yes some of these decisions arent perfect or even good , but that can be fixed with time and willpower .
@@HoodlumCallumhere after they actually have golisopod regenerater
I think the main problem on why they are giving insane amounts of offensive abilities to pokemon is due to endless’ only defensive counterplay being sturdy, so in an endless context none of the other abilities matter. Though it would be so much more fun if they considered classic more and provided us with way more defensive passives
the game should primarily be balanced around classic
From the balance thread:
"Endless is going to be changed, so we do not balance for it (endless is inherently always going to be an unbalanced game mode, so balancing specifically for it is fruitless, only if something is completely breaking it should it be considered)."
@@HoodlumCallum absolutely
@@HoodlumCallum don't you think way more hours go into endless than classic? Id think it makes more sense to make classic harder, which they have been trying i think?
I think my main problem with Tsareena having Moxie is that, when combined with the egg moves between the two of them, it basically turns it into a Grass type Quaquaval. Same attack stat, Aqua Step to raise it's own speed, Trop Kick to lower attack, Triple Axel to do Triple Axel things, and then Thunderous Kick. Like okay, the kicking pokemon both have kicking moves, cool, but now they have access to the same ability. Why do we need two pokemon built so similarly when passives can make things more diverse.
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Because then instead of being forced to use quaquaval all the time it opens options to use other pokemon
Even if they want this sort of pop off and sweep play style for it , there are different abilities that can achieve the same end goal .
@@walkableboat3343 so instead of quaquaval you play....quaquaval but grass type? also in which situation would you be forced to use quaquaval specifically?
@@radioheado I’m just saying for example if you like tsareena but she’s not very good for pokerogue but quaquaval has better moves/passive it means it makes it a lot harder to use tsareena over quaquaval but by making them have the same passive and moves it allows for people to use Pokémon they like over Pokémon that are meta without having to have a much harder time
Been loving the discussion on the passives. It's good to talk about this sort of thing, since pokerogue is such a community game, it's really fun to have this sort of interaction with the game and fun to play with the changes and updates!
Thanks for all the pokerogue stuff cal!
The only reason huge power on tinkaton made sense is because if her hammer does in fact weight a "gigaton" and she is able to wield it
Yea actually fit perfectly for her, but it was a Lil too good
Wrong. Tinkaton also has rabbit ears and the hammer references the moon rabbits. (Google Huge Power reference)
@@theluxalpha then that’s 2 reasons it should have it. Cause I ain’t never seen azumarill, mawhile, diggersby, or medicham lift a hammer weighing a 1,000,000 tons lol
@@A13Games 2 of those pokemon are chunky, the other has 2 giant mouths attached to its head
Might as well give huge power to anything that looks strong lol
Unnerve araquinid is also really good with bug bite since they can't eat the berries but you can
this was me with my unnerve pluck corviknight, pluck, bulk up, body press, power trip
I really agree about how things feel hyper offensive and kinda boring. I feel endless niche passive abilities got mostly removed or ignored. When I posted in feedback about pokemon losing Queenly Majesty, I got a comment about “dead passives for fusion fodder” instead of acknowledgement that having niche passives for different game modes is a fun concept
gueenly majesty is a great ability and even for fusion its still really solid for pokemon who don't run priority for example curse users and that
I liked trace for slaking ,as it was justified “monkey see monkey do”, even if it is a little cheesy. I saw someone saying comatose was more thematic which is true though. I don’t see any reason for archeops or golisopod to have it though yeah.
Like I said, I can get behind it if it was the only one given this change. I don’t think monkey see monkey do is a good reason though
They gave regigigas normalize as a hidden, they could easily do that with Slaking Comatose
@@HoodlumCallumespecially because he’s a sloth, not a monkey
@@HoodlumCallum I would like if trace did not remove the actual main ability just has the passive trace the oppents abbility still keeping the normal
I'd totally vote for giving Slaking Comatose for thematics
They could give Slaking neutralizing gas to nullify its own Truant ability. Same solution, but thematically makes more sense than trace.
Another ability I considered was Unseen Fist, gets rid of Slaking's biggest weakness, protect moves. They could pair this with U-turn as an egg move and just have him be a really strong chip damage pivot.
Gorilla Tactics Giga Impact also sounds super fun though.
Let him cook with Unseen Fist 🗣️
Neutralizing Gas doesn't affect the Pokemon that has it.
@@NightKev It actually did at some point, they specifically changed it after a while so that neutralizing gas would no longer affect the Pokémon's own ability/passive so Weezing could benefit from a passive, but originally it worked on your own abilities too.
@@Aihana_Etsu Well yeah I meant that's how it works now. It doesn't really matter how it used to work.
Unseen Fist is kinda cooking even if the AI will never use protect lol
Sizzlipede gets speed boost because venipede is it's rival line it's very fitting as their dex entries talk about them competing and in real like centipedes are incredibly fast for their size
The thing is, there are creative Passives that you can give these mons while also achieving the same result.
Slaking would make perfect sense to get Unseen Fist as a passive. Obviously the AI doesn't ever really protect, but this would bypass that weakness while still keeping the drawback of Truant. He's a big sloth gorilla, so a fist-based ability fits thematically. I also like your suggestion of Guerilla Tactics. Both miles better than Trace.
I suggested this a while ago on the poll for changes, but I think Talonflame should get Rock Head. There's a pun in there (Roc Head, Roc = Mythical Fire Bird) while also achieving the broken Gale Wings Brave Bird spam dream. Instead, Staraptor has Rock Head as a passive. Why not Scrappy for Staraptor? The NORMAL/Flying type that was made famous for having access to Close Combat? That seems way more fitting for Staraptor, and would make Rock Head less repetitive on Talonflame.
Just a couple ideas that achieve similar outcomes while staying true to the themes and not just being broken for the sake of being broken.
i kept saying in the Discord that Golisopod should have Tough Claws, or Shell Armor. Both work great Gameplay wise, and both work great theme wise, and it had Tinted lens before which was GREAT, even if it didnt match theme wise all to well...Seriously i dont know how many times i said that in the Discord.
a lot of these changes sound like whoever implemented them didnt have that much creativity
cmon, sniper is perfect for decidueye
i do like moxie on croagunk but i see why you'd prefer pickpocket considering how valuable it would be in rogue (also croagunk seems like a chaotic little shit anyway lmao)
The second I finish the passive tier list I see this, perfect timing
I think Slaking should have moody.
1. It fits thematically because Slaking is all grumpy that someone woke him up, and
2. is especially useful for Slaking since it usually has to stay in play for quite a while to get things done anyway, since it loafs around every other turn. It can now use that time to stack stat buffs.
What I don't get about slacking's passive is that regigigas has slow start and got skill swap as an egg move; if they wanted to give pokemon a way to get rid of abilities they have that as an option without needing trace
regigigas also can get normalize as an additional abiltiy to replace slow start
slakoth has skill swap too
at least he did some days ago when i had looked
Honestly, emergency exit is seen as bad because it doesn't switch out at the end of the turn, it does it as soon as Golisopod reaches 50% hp, so the Pokemon can have been switched in, attacked and then instantly forced out again, and as things are random, Golisopod may just be your best thing against the thing you tried to switch it in against. You may have planned to first impression the target. And sometimes you can't sacrifice a teammeber either, really constricting how you build with Golisopod in mind.
Also, have fun with the engagement, also slightly the point of the comment. Hope this brings at least 1 more viewer, but hopefully more lol
EDIT: A combo you can do with Tinkaton as I still see it having value if you have the Hidden Ability is to combo it with any pokemon with Moxie or Glastrier as it has chilling neigh which allows you to still boost your attacks on kos. Also Glastrier's rare egg move is Glacial Lance which is 120 base power and 100% accurate spread move, meaning that its also great against Eternatus.
Which is why Regenerator may be really fun, since you can pivot to Golisopod, take the hit and immediately pivot out for basically free.
(The newly switched in pokemon doesn't take the hit, since Golisopod already took it during that turn)
This gives you free pivots.
**GRAB TINKATON**
THE FUCK EVEN IS STEELWORKER, TINKATON. TELL ME.
Steelworker boosts steel attacks by 50%
Yeeej for a 240BP gigaton hammer🤣
It builds its own hammers by stealing the metal from corviknights.
Also it makes Gigaton Hammer still be like 90% the power of when it has Huge Power.
Well they could have swap tinks passive and hidden ability so it became harder to get, you can't make steel fairy hugepower kartana fusion and gives ability charm a usage. Idk they made tink useless since it's base stats are horrible
@@zaleww5824 Tink can solo Classic, how is it useless???
The "Trace-trio" is definitely the most conspicuous case of just wasted opportunities with these passives. And aside from Trace, both Defeatist and Emergency Exit aren't even a permanent debuff, Emergency Exit even plays into Golisopods original Signature Move First Impression! I remember the main reason people disliked it is because "oh, but it can't set up because the setup would be undone when it's forced out!" well then don't set up! But anyways, good passives could totally allow players to circumvent or even profit of those two abilities (Edit: Heck, that's actually just what they did for Wishiwashi, which is arguably in the same club, it just has the benefit of being buffed by its ability but losing that buff below half HP, so they can't just Trace it away!). Regenerator is a big one, for both imo, it'd even trigger Emergency Exit immediately, OR if you want to keep them from falling into the range of their abilities, Multiscale would also be pretty good for both of them, even makes sense for Archeops, and with Leech Life Golisopod could actually heal and get back to close to full and keep it up! Truant is the more difficult ability to play around, since there's nothing that really profits off a Pokemon not being able to move every 2nd turn, but honestly, with how strong Slaking is, what it often needs is just the safety to not die during its Truant-turn, so the suggested buff from RadRed would work well for that, that wouldn't even take the passive slot, or they could give it Fur Coat for additional bulk, and have you seen how furry Slaking is? It'd make a ton of sense! Another option would be Unseen Fist from Urshifu of course, to get around if the AI is smart enough to protect every 2nd turn when it can attack, No Guard could also work to get around Fly instead... Dig can be countered with Earthquake...
Also kinda disappointing to me is Moxie on Croagunk, from what I recall Toxicroak could generally be run either way, but Moxie pushes it down the physical direction, when other mixed offensive or special attacking mons like Infernape or Pyroar got Beast Boost instead, I think I would've preferred that here as well... although imo the only one where Beast Boost really slides thematically is Infernape because it's based on Sun Wukong... Merciless definitely would be the best though for Croagunk, especially because I think Mareanies protect-move that poisons on contact is one of its egg-moves? Easy way to set up crits.
I also find it somewhat funny, they gave Rillaboom and Bulu both Grass Pelt, but not just that they also gave the only Pokemon that got Grassy Pelt before, Gogoat, Grassy Surge, so we basically have 3 Pokemon that do the same thing. Now, Gogoat as the original holder of Grassy Pelt kinda needs Surge, but for the other 2 there are other options. Like, Rillaboom fits Grassy Pelt visually, but Gorilla Tactics also makes sense! And I know it usually likes to run stuff like Fake Out, don't know if it does in PokeRogue as well, but it's for cases like this where you can just turn of passives, and if you do run it you get Choice Banded free Grassy Glide! Meanwhile Bulu... I think one of Bulus biggest problem was generally the lack of reliable Fairy-type STAB? So... just give it Pixilate.
A good ability I could see for Goodra is Water Bubble for that Water-type STAB without actually being a Water-type. I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought/wanted Goodra to either be a secondary Water- or Poison-type, and while there's no ability that gives STAB for poison-types yet, Water Bubble exists and feels like it makes sense for a snail... assuming they don't want to go back to Drizzle. Otherwise also, for Poison at least kinda, Toxic Chain!
I can at least kinda see Well-Baked Body for Pansage, since iirc there was a Baker-trainer class in BW that liked using the elemental monkeys, and also you could see it as a reference to the gym-trio who of course worked in a cafe and I'm pretty sure they used their monkeys to make like the perfect tea, so... heating Pansages leaves was kinda part of that? I guess Sap Sipper on Panpour also works potentially even better due to that, but... yeah, these are definitely questionable ability-choices... especially since part of the reason they even exist is to teach type-matchups with your starter!
On that note, I also remembered Grimer and Alolan Grimer, I don't remember what Kantonian Grimer got, but they gave Alolan Earth Eater and Kantonian didn't, which just feels absolutely unfair considering Alolan Grimer already got rid of the Psychic-weakness Kantonian Grimer has, Ground is its only weakness, I feel in terms of fairness it would've made more sense to give Kantonian Grimer Earth Eater so it only has its Psychic-type weakness while Alolan Grimer got the other passive. In a lot of cases it just feels like they saw an obvious type-weakness and their only answer was "make it immune!" whenever possible...
The worst part abt the trace thing is that they didn't even do it for all the bad abilities. It makes it look even more lazy bc regigigas gets mind's eye which is unique and interesting.
Doesn't regigigas have a hidden ability
Btw there are a couple errors/outdated info in the sheet, one being Lokix:
"Stakeout lokix was actually an error lol it’s already been corrected to moxie"
Archeops and Golisopod are getting a new HA probably (though it's not definite, there's still lots of discussion happening and it's hard to say what the dev team is going to do with them at this point) and if they do then Golisopod will get regenerator.
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Gunshoos keeping HP would require it losing its Extreme Speed egg move, and they seem to want to keep ES rather than HP.
Ribombee is losing Friend Guard but Indeedee is gaining it, so it's a net zero change in mons with FG.
Tinted lens is only going up net 2, 5 are gaining and 3 are losing, so it's not as many as it seems.
I found the note they put for Slaking justified Trace well enough: "monkey see, monkey do."
But yeah it makes less than zero sense on the other two. Completely agree that Regenerator makes more sense for Golisopod, and Archeops has plenty of abilities that could make more sense.
I'll also point out that, on the topic of changes to ability access from the main games, Regigas was given a Hidden Ability in this game - Normalize.
So if the balance team are willing to add hidden abilities to "fix" these detrimental abilities, they might as well just use that approach.
I hope you stay on the pokerogoue grind for a while, you contribute so much, so thank you!
They took away froakie surging strikes so sad. But they also took away adaptability and changed it to stakeout? Was greninja too strong for them, but beast boost mega charizard is A-OK? 🗿
It feels like alot of the changes are made to fit more of the playerbase or devs playstyles (no hate) instead of considering themematic and more niche use abilities that make the pokemon stand out from each other. Especially in mainline pokemon where multiple pokemon do the same you'll only choose the best one(s) for it (i.e Swift Swim mons) so the passives helped make those mons more fun, they may of not been the best but they were fun to try and learn to use imo. This game helped teach me to use more bulky or different pokemon than just OP nuke damage mons so its kinda sad to see these passive changes going in that direction.
i think with pokemon that have negative abilities, they could add an option to remove the ability by using candies, i feel that would be in line with how they wish to develop their game
Reckless Talonflame served me well in a run, it never needed changing to begin with. Just roost that damage back up if you need it
I was telling my friend yesterday about how much I think Golisopod with regenerator would be much better, just to see your thumbnail that said the same thing lol. I like how we had the same idea
You know, Analytic would make a lot of sense for Decidueye if they didn't want to go the Sniper route. Waiting for the opponent to move, then striking? Maybe Stake Out would work if not that
Are passives taken into consideration when balancing the point system???? If Charizard is getting beast boost, why would I waste the extra 2 points on starting with an ultra beast when my 634 BST 5 point Mega Charizard Y with DROUGHT will have it anyway? To me it's kind of taking away from the fun of using pokemon who aren't "gg ez mode" great anyway. In the words of Syndrome: "And when everyone's super, no one will be." I like variety, I don't want EVERY pokemon to be able to no brain hyper offense solo Classic...
I dont have much pokemon knowledge, but have been addicted to this game for months now. Can't we just make it so that there are multiple passives to unlock for each mon? Yes, mons will get broken, but who cares? The reason I love this game is because its got so much variety. I don't want to use the same mon every run. So I don't see the issue in choosing between multiple passives. Would also make the candy grind more interesting if you use a pokemon more often.
Funny thing is, if there is any chance of changes in the game, it'll have to go through the discord. BUT GET THIS, that place is a fockin mess. One look in the "Passive Abilities Feedback" thread, and its full of people trying to make every pokemon a sweeping monster. They don't care about themes, as long as it's strong/good. They'll give it an ability.
I fully disagree with everyone that has an issue with the passive changes that don't make much sense. I do like it when the passives make a ton of sense, for example one of my favorites were Strong Jaw on Krookodile. But you have to understand that the passive abilities are one of, if not THE grindiest mechanic in the game. There is no fucking way you could honestly convince me that you would ever consider getting 50 candies on Talonflame just for Aerilate to give it a slightly stronger recoiling flying type move. No one would
I honestly think that passives should be new abilities that the devs come up with instead of just tacking an already existing ability on a pokemon, it would help make pokemon unique and some could have an additional utility role on top of what they did before.
One thing I thought about is what if there were multiple options for passive abilities? Keep in mind that I am not a programmer, so I have no idea on how hard this would be to implement.
Let’s take Slaking as an example. When unlocking a passive ability, Guts would cost less candies than Gorilla Tactics, and Gorilla Tactics would cost less than Trace. Trace would be VERY expensive so unlocking the very busted passive requires more work. Outside of unlocking more stuff, multiple passive ability options would allow people to choose how they want to play. All three example passives have a different niche. Plus it would allow ‘mons like Nidoqueen to get back flavor abilities like Queenly Majesty. In the end, you can only choose one passive ability!
As for bosses, it would choose one passive ability at random. So Slaking bosses only have a 1/3 chance to be extremely scary.
Sizzlipede getting Speed Boost as a passive in Pokerogue is perfectly fine with me when Scolipede gets it as a hidden ability in the actual main-line games.
And since we're talking about possible passive changes we would like. Kecleon gets adaptability to increase its damage and well, yeah he needs it but I want to get funky with my child.
I would give Kecleon Wonder Skin or Dazzling, Chameleons are very colorful creatures, communicating their mood by the vibrancy of their colors, more dull colors representing fear or aggresion while more vibrant colors generally represent happiness or excitement.
Alright, got an update on all the changes from the initial changelog posted (some of this was already changed on the google sheets page but not necessarily all of it yet):
"Armaldo - Reverted change (Keeping Water Absorb)
Iron Jugulis - Lightning Rod (Changed from Aerilate)
Eternatus - Levitate (Changed from Supreme Overlord)
Poltchageist - Triage (Changed from Well-Baked Body)
Alola Vulpix - Reverted change (Keeping Ice Body)
Happiny - Fur Coat (Changed from Fluffy)
Castform - Reverted change (Keeping Adaptability)
Groudon - Turboblaze (Changed from Flash Fire)
Klink - Reverted change (Keeping Steelworker)
Binacle - Sap Sipper (Changed from Sturdy)
Grimer - Earth Eater (Changed from Water Absorb)
Alola Grimer - Water Absorb (Changed from Earth Eater)
Caterpie - Reverted change (keeping Magician)
Claydol - Well Baked Body (Changed from Water Absorb)
Goomy - Regenerator (Changed from Dragons Maw)
Morelull - Triage (Changed from Well Baked Body)
Nymble - Moxie (Changed from Stakeout)
Tropius - Reverted change (keeping Cud Chew)
Smoliv - Reverted change (keeping Ripen)
Shuckle - Harvest (changed from Ripen)
Gimmighoul - Put in time out for doing too much
Dwebble - Anger Shell (Changed from Dry Skin)"
no way they gave him moxie LOL
Some of these changes are pretty good
This isn't a multiplayer game, i don't know why nerfs are needed
thematic fits are more fun
I think the Sizzlipede was cooking, it's literally a centipede, it even has precedent with Scolipede
Truant should just Not allow the user to use the same move back to back. Like every move acts like Gigaton Hammer.
For a couple you mentioned "yeah my suggestion would make it worse but it's better thematically" so I'll drop this convo from the balance discussion thread (since I agree with them lol):
"lets not nerf mons for the sake of theme
passives are something fun people wanna work towards that are cool additions that help the mon
would you really want to work and grind candy for a meh passive
like i get theme
but lets also make sure these passives
passives are worth going for
for players
and being thematic is a cool bonus
ofc make sure the passives arent too op"
"sure but id rather passives still contribute to the identity of the mon as well"
"yes thats why we try to look for passives that fit both criteria
the issue is thats also very very limited
thats why there are so much duplicates
bcuz good semi thematic passives
are Very limited
there are 500 pokemon
500 starters
and only so many good abilities to go around"
let’s just give everything huge power then since themes don’t matter
@HoodlumCallum Huge Power Rampardos? 👀
/j
I honestly wouldn’t mind custom passive abilities. Passives clearly aren’t a vanilla pokemon concept, so who says they have to be vanilla abilities too? That way we can have passives that interact with existing abilities, like something that augments truant to allow slack off
That opens a massive can of worms though that they *really* do not want to do.
@@NightKev I feel like they already opened up that can when they created passives and custom egg moves, but that’s just my opinion
I think it would have been cool to give the elemental monkeys abilities that acknowledge their subtle themes to "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" with keen eye, soundproof, and such
that’d be funny
W video
Sizzlipeed getting speed boost (still not the best choice) may be because defiant doese not work with white smoke? SInce it prevents stats from lowering defiant may never happen? just a guess
13:30 I feel like the devs forgot they gave Lokix ceaseless edge
Well ceaseless edge is 65, so it doesn't work with technician anyway. If that's what you where thinking
@@zenmaister4872 yeah I’m slow
FOSSIL POKEMON SHOULD HAVE PROTOSYTHESIS.
Of course not the ones that wouldn’t make sense, but Tyrantrum and Aerodactyl for sure should have it.
(Tyrantrum with rockhead and reckless) uh....
aero used to have it
Goodra needs drizzle to evolve
To get rid of slaking truant, just fuse it with anything. I did mine with obstagoon, that had reckless. Double edge, reckless, slaking was very strong
I honestly think Primarina should get water bubbles if only to reference the anime
I agree fully on the 'all out on offence' thing. They try to make everything a sweeper to pamper people who cannot play with a ballanced team.
My frustration with Tinkaton losing Huge Power in exchange for Steelworker is that I'm now literally just spamming Gigaton Hammer outside of Trainer battles (where I'm alternating it with something else because I'm literally not allowed to use it in sequence).
Before today the main move I was using on Tinkaton was Play Rough, using Gigaton Hammer as an occasional nuke. That, in my opinion, was a much more fun and involved way of playing the game.
The most egregious thing IMO is that even if it's 1x Not-Very-Effective while Play Rough is hitting neutral, Gigaton Hammer is still doing 33% more damage than Play Rough ([160*1.5]/2 = 120 versus Play Rough's 90), so outside of the cooldown turn or something specifically weak to Fairy, why would I *not* use Gigaton Hammer?
This change turns Tinkaton into a boring one-trick-pony, and I dislike that.
These feeling like bad Hackmon sets you’d make as a teenager hits the nail on the head really
Thanks for making this video (and the tier list one). My main thought when first looking through the list of upcoming changes was "a lot of these are boring", so I'm glad I'm not the only one. One example of a change that is more "power over theme" that rather annoys me is Vulpix's Cursed Body→Solar Power. Sure, the latter makes it more powerful, especially with Drought, but Cursed Body fits so well thematically. Vulpix has a whole "mystical" theme and feel to it, with moves like Spite, Disable, Confuse Ray-moves that are typically found on Ghost types. Cursed Body, while not necessarily super useful (especially late game when it's a lot more "OHKO or be OHKO'd"), has its place and can actually help in the early game, and overall is thematically on point.
Honestly I would like to see more weather setters, I think Drought Talonflame would be really interesting, in my head I just see the ball being thrown up and the burst of flames as this rad fire hawk parts the clouds. So many mons have great weather abilities that you can build teams around, give the less powerful mons the utility to set up the weather for their sand rushes and or snow cloaks etc.
gen 3 ou strats for slaking, just need to build team around him, which is probably the same with any pokemon that has a niche. the gen 3 ou slaking team was ran Slaking with :
- Adamant Nature
- Return / body slam
- Earthquake
- Shadow Ball / sucker punch
- Focus Punch
With a team of
Blastoise , Skarmory , Blissey, Jirachi with wish protect, and Flygon
I think Wimp Out or Berserk would be really fun as passives for Archeops because they get going at the same time as Defeatist.
For Wimp Out, Archeops is usually fast enough to act before it gets put in Defeatist range, at which point you’ll get a free switch instead of worrying about what kind of opening your enemy will get from you playing around Archeops’ dead weight. Its Special Attack is pretty usable too, so Berserk could both sort of compensate for Defeatist and get people to experiment with special sets.
My vote would go Wimp Out. It and Defeatist make a fun personality pairing and Berserk still leaves you at 0.75x on your weaker attacking stat.
They did my boi Golisopod dirty, not gonna work on unlocking its Passive until they change it. Regenerator, Tough Claws, Intimidate, Shell Armor and more are all both thematically fitting and would be very useful on it. Trace is so creatively bankrupt I can’t comprehend it.
One that seems to be going under everyone's radar is Dreepy (Dragapult) getting Parental Bond. It thematically makes sense with both its design and signature move, but is also pretty good for gameplay (Dragon Darts + Multi Lens + Parental Bond + King's Rock...yeah might be a little broken)
ok i love coming up with random ideas.
talonflame - reckless & aerilate make sense on it. I think defiant is also an ok option. I don't think there are any talonflame options that make me go "it must be that one."
slaking - gorilla tactics would go hard. alternatively, give it slow start. "i can make him worse."
golisopod - i like the regenerater/intimidate idea a lot ngl.
archeops - i feel like speed boost could go hard on it since high speed => faster roost without breaking the concept and this guy looks like he can run. emergency exit could also be an interesting option since it synergizes a bit with defeatist.
hawlucha - scrappy makes a ton of sense. reckless is the main alternative that comes to mind, but that ability is already splashed on too many fighting types. it would be funny if adaptability caused Flying Press to get the boost twice, but that's probably not how that works. I kinda like quick feet for it since hawlucha going nyoom is the one thing I care about with its gameplay identity. I think technician and vital spirit are also solid options. Vital spirit is good if hawlucha doesn't really need buffs, technician is good if hawlucha wants to go brr during the early game, as a single stage fighting type mon.
aerodactyl - intimidate. i'm saying that before i see what you have to say. it's a giant fuck-you dinosaur. intimidate. i kinda like protosynthesis on aerodactyl actually, since it's a distant past mon. feels a bit aesthetic > gameplay.
clefable - hear me out: guts clefable. Would it be good? No. would it make sense thematically. fuck no. Would it be extremely funny? Yes. I want Clefable to bench press everyone into oblivion.
lokix - no thoughts. technician and stake-out both sound reasonable, but your logic makes sense.
goodra - drizzle is perfect for goodra tho. that's so sad. I feel like it would be very funny but illogical to give it cotton down. "do not touch the slug." But yeah, keep drizzle. It's really interesting to have a drizzle pokemon that's not water type. If for whatever reason it's too strong: rain dish or swift swim. Just something thematically related to rain.
the crocs - yeah, strong jaw makes sense. I could see Feraligatr getting intimidate as an alternative. But, like, they bitey.
charizard - beast boost makes zero sense. charizard is not an ultra beast last i checked? I liked intimidate. not good for a x4 rock weak pokemon, but that's.. not why I'd be using charizard. if we want something else, dragon's maw seems pretty reasonable. it learned dragon breath by level up, so it's not wasted if you get bad luck with tms. gale wings wouldn't be awful if it's paired with a decent egg move, like bleakwind storm maybe? hyper cutter makes sense, even if it's not the most interesting one in the world. moody could be funny, but I think moody as an ability is too cursed for me to fully endorse putting it on anyone. mold breaker isn't a bad option, you could even go turboblaze if you want to make it fire themed mold breaker.
infernape - i don't like the idea of two starters have the same passive. Like, off the top of my head reckless is fine but not very interesting. I feel like giving it gale wings could be an off-the-wall choice that references sun wu-kong flying around on a cloud. pair it with acrobatics and it could probably cook. oppurtunist could be funny monke and also insanely strong. Infernape is a pretty solid candidate for moxie I think. Like, monke has moxie. Monke would kick you in the dick for funsies. unburden could also work. I think Victory Star would be a pretty valid choice for infernape if you wanted to give it a legendary pokemon's ability.
blissey - hear me out: bulletproof. blissey reminds me of the assault vest item because both have high special defense. and assault vests are typically bulletproof. furthermore, blissey is shaped like an egg, which is a ball-like shape, and who better than a ball to protect against balls? it's brilliant.
toxicroak - no thoughts, merciless makes sense
elemental monkeys - I feel like giving them torrent/overgrow/blaze makes the most straight-forward sense. even if it's not going to push them into high tiers of viability per say.
druddigon - my first thought is shed skin. that guy looks like he sheds.
barbaracle - my first thought was storm drain since I feel like barbacle should have a water resist or immunity but the rock typing takes that away.
decidueye - yeah, sniper makes the most sense thematically. i think if you wanted to give it a more exciting ability, maybe something like aerilate to reference it being a bird. alternatively, analytic or shadow tag. the former addresses the speed issue in a more in-character way while the ladder is kinda just since decidueye's signature move is already a trapping move, letting it do that when hitting the field might be nice.
gunshoos - i agree, no comments
ribombee - i agree, no comments
araquanid - I feel like adaptability would be very funny to use since it's already got water bubble. but yeah, unnerve makes sense and it's a really good ability because berry spam.
shiinotic - i'd give it earth eater personally. my reasoning is that I don't have many bright ideas for its ability, plants eat dirt, and it's a relatively defensive fuck-you mon, so earth eater would fit alright with its play style. pixilate also make some sense because it's a creepy fairy and pixelate is a vaguely menacing sounding fairy ability. sap sipper could also be cool since it would imply a parasitic relationship between shiinotic and plants. shadow shield makes sense because it's creepy. seed sewer isn't an awful idea. symbiosis could fuck hard if the game pushes for more doubles stuff. unnerve would be pretty valid for it, its design is meant to be a bit unnerving.
tsareena - yeah, ripen makes sense considering that its baby form is literally a berry. i feel like supreme overlord would fit tsareena, but I like ripen better ngl.
centiskorch - yeah, speed boost makes no sense. i could see it having blaze.
Are hidden abilities obtainable here? I'm a huge swampy fan and I'd love to have Damp Swampert so that I have a defense for things randomly blowing up on me during long gauntlets. Would choose that over drizzle tbh.
Triage has been amazing for them, but I really want the Oddish lines to get Drought. It would be nice to give them a very solid grass stab move in Solarbeam, activate their chlorophyll, and even power up their fire egg move of Fiery Dance. Both Bellossom and Vileplume have base 50 speed, so speeding them up to 100 really isn't that crazy.
Half of Bellossom's dex entries are about it dancing to make the sun shine, and given the fact that the entire line can learn Sunny Day, it's not out of the question in terms of lore.
I know it technically doesn't need it but buffing Bulletproof to work against moves it would make sense for it to work against in other languages would be cool.
Also saying you don't think Analytic fits Clefable thematically then immediately saying No Guard would be cool is hilarious
My personal favourite change is still chingling getting punk rock; it has torch song as an egg move, and with this change they also added 2 more sound based egg moves; i love this so much thematically. its a wind chime after all, sound moves make sense.
For the suggested changes in this video, love a lot of them, but here are my suggestions anyway:
Slaking: i like your suggestion a lot, but just to name some alternative ideas:
No guard: mega kick and hammer arm being 100% accurate for the turns it can move would be great. Maybe we could tweak the egg moves a little even to double down.
Moody: bidoof gets this too. It fits thematically in my mind (monkey be moody) and getting free stat boosts in the turn youre loafing around makes the turn less wasted at least.
And finally, if they truly want to stick with this gimmick, id prefer giving it
Lingering aroma: it makes it so there is still a downside to the base ability, but you now do have a way of removing it. And smelly slothmonkeything is not too far a stretch, unlike trace.
Archeops: since it is a fossil, maybe you could go with wandering spirit instead of trace to remove its bad ability. It may be the lazy way out, bu5 since ut learns uturn, regenerator to be able to get yourself above 50% could be great. Though i think thematically, run away would fit incredibly well with defeatist and the ability definitely has merit in pokerogue.
I love technician for talon, but i think just thematically, with the whole recoil thing, and since basculin gets it, i think the speeds at which talonflame goes a rock head would still make some sense... more than magic guard at least.
Balance wise they've painted themselves into a hole. Endless really doesn't have room for almost anything that isn't a hyper offensive sweeper. And the only feature that pushes the game towards more defensive play (boss break bars) can be overcome by just using more damage. The heavy presence of healing berries also pushes the game towards sweepers because if you kill the enemy in one shot, those berries never kick in. Even in classic there are so many battles, and the carried over stat changes from battle to battle heavily encourage a sweeper playstyle. This heavy reinforcement of sweepers then pushes the game towards boring abilities like moxie/beastboost, and sturdy because that's what's easy for most people to use, and thus what's fun for many people; an overwhelming majority of people hate losing, and strongly prefer boring strategies if they let them win.
If the poke-rogue team wants to have a game with more variety and interesting stuff for people to explore, they're going to need to either decide that the game isn't for most people, or change the design of some of the game's core mechanics to push the game away from the boosted hyper carry.
I think I'd prefer if Truant would just... make Slaking go to Sleep instead of idling for a turn if it's possible to make it guaranteed to wake up on the second turn and then he could keep Guts. That'd allow multiple chances to get him active on every turn without just turning the passive off, either through finding poison/burn orbs to give him or by finding Snore or Sleep Talk to teach him.
Pokerogue is really boring now, did endless, haven't played in a while, my Kyurem which I've done runs with before feels weak, I can't hold that many berries, it wasn't fun when battles dragged out because bosses had a million berries and they have to balance it out, but damn, it's boring not getting that feeling of finding loot. Items seem worse too, yay, I got a toxic orb, items just seem like they got nerfed.
Overall I feel weak when playing, that's not fun at all, it might be more balanced but it sure isn't fun.
At least with Gallade-M you can argue that it never existed at the same time as Sharpness, and if it had Gamefreak probably would've given it Sharpness over Inner Focus.
Also I suddenly want to see Analytic on Metagross.
You could remove slakings ability by just using a dna splicer and choosing slaking as first pokemon. In that situation guts even is a pretty nice bonus.
While i do believe they should consider the gameplay side, just making custom sets without thinking about thematics is not the way. (But disregarding gameplay shouldnt happen either ofc)
Changes i like are opportunist on the gen 9 box legendaries. Yes this is more on the gameplay side, but idk, i just like it. And earth eater heatran. Yes its to negate his 4x weakness, but, its mouth is big and close to the ground and it looks like it is actualy eating earth
I think Hawlucha's Flying Press SHOULD hit ghost types anyways as it was the first dual type move (being both Fighting and Flying)
i think the fact that everything's being turned into an offensive mon is *especially* bad for what this game is. it's a roguelike. one of the main appeals of roguelikes is strategizing with what you've been given, and creating unique builds. if every pokemon plays the same, you lose that *very integral part* of its appeal.
i especially dislike them hitting the undo button for pokemon with bad abilities. characters that are difficult to beat roguelikes with are a fun challenge, that can bring some fun bragging rights. beating nuclear throne with melting would be a LOT less impressive if you could start the game out with normal hp.
I might be alone in this but I much prefer Opportunist over Psychic Surge for Abra.
Alakazam is like a super computer and him analysing his opponents every upgrade is cool to me instead of just being a psychic type that does psychic type things
I feel like a lot of problems are more just with how the game is built. You're really really rewarded for just.. sweeping in a single turn with one carry, less so in classic but especially so in endless. the game isn't really built for strategies revolving around switching or setting up weather or hazards or anything like that. It's kinda disappointing
I really miss Maushold not getting Parental bond , not only does it make a lot of sense with the pokemon , but i really wanted to try a full multi lens , full grip claw , population bomb Maushold to try to steal every and all items from pokemon . Also to defend some of these changes i like , i really like Speed boost on sizzlipede , cuz the pokemon and it evos are based on heaters and similar stuff , and speed boost gives the impression of the pokemon heating up . Also kinda like Moxie on Croagunk , defenetly prefer it over pickpocket , that pokemon isnt very much a thief so it didnt make sense to me at all .
I'm still entirely annoyed with taking Adaptability from Froakie. Stakeout is only good in trainer battles which is fair, but it means he's useless for endless right now.
ı have to agree that the current passive changes really dont allow for any stall strats or defensive tanky builds bulbasaur is the best example of a defensive build with thick fat and grassy surge(ı could also see rain dish or flower gift as other defensive passives that dont set up grassy terrain) or y'know you could give it solar power for pure offense xd
ı dont have its passive unlocked but ı beat eternatus with whirlpooling wailord with rest and amnesia and ı think thats a viable strategy
So my question has been with all this. Why not give them multiple passives that you can unlock. Then you pick only one to take in with you. Like every system is there. Then you can do thematic passives but still do the singles style of kill yourself if you cant one shot everything.
The only thing I can think of for dewpider is looking at the design and comparing it to yanmega where they both have a clear coating over their eyes that could almost work like glasses which most tinted lens Pokémon have or just good eyes but unnerve does just feel better
Intimidate would go hard and make sense on the big scary, coward bug. Acts tough and then folds instantly. Love it.
I hate the fact that I can't enjoy pokerogue anymore. I was completely hooked for ages but then I completed the gen 2 dex and I just can't do it anymore. Sad to see
Honestly I’d like to see more abilities that are a small help to good Pokémon - stuff like Hyper cutter, Download, Thermal Exchange and Water Compaction that are ‘outclassed’ by other abilities instead of slapping moxie and adaptability on everything. There is no balance to that. I also just think that nothing should get beast boost unless it’s ultra beast adjacent. Justifying it with “beast” as a word defining most monsters and animals is just unconvincing to me. Something like Competitive is more fitting for Litleo which is a great ability. I could also see Pinsir with Arena Trap instead if sap sipper / tinted lens or whatever, since the AI likes to switch so much it might be useful to trap with mega pinsir. Mycelium Might on Shiinotic - it’s already slow as hell, it might as well be able to spore through insomnia.
I agree with you
I'm a bit sad that sentret and zigzagoon are the same ability wise now... Sentret is now an endless god, but pickpoket was so fitting on zigzagoon
Analytic Clefable works well kinda
In dex entries it talks about it's really good hearing and how it tries to avoid people
I personally liked it a lot more when they tried to make the passives thematically fitting, it's a mistake to make everything so hyperfixated on raw damage
Thank you bro i am truly grateful, i never knew a game so existed, this game is so fun and addictive, thank you
archeops i think shouldve just gotten smth like aerialate. i think that wouldve been really cool and thematic
Honestly as a Golisopod lover i would want him with tough claws as a passive ability throu i cant say if it would break him
Also nincada gain magic guard... Gholdengo, nincada and yungoos are the most disapoining change for me.
tapu bulu with comatose could make sense (or any other ability that relates to laziness), as it is stated to be a lazy pokemon in its pokedex entry
I hate that they changed Baxcalibur to snow warning last change it was thick fat and I find the dragon that resists ice really appealing
I would love to see more passives tailored to dual battles, along with a classic with only dual battles.
I would give regigigas mummy thematically fitting and you potentially get rid of truant
Funnily enough in Run and Bun Golisopod's ability makes it the best mon in the game.
Tô be honest with you i think that passíveis ruined the classic mode game play
My biggest complaint about a lot of mons losing strong jaw for tough claws: mightyena. It is LITERALLY THE "BITE POKEMON". it already gets almost every biting move, and it's a 50% boost vs tough claws' 30%
waaaaitttt noooo. I love my strong jaw set
Trace officially no longer being given to Archeops or Slaking either now.
Too bad they bounced the creator
Og creator may have considered these types of fixes