Bayonetta 3 left me HEARTBROKEN... | In-Depth Review
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The best comment I saw was “how does a game take 8 years yet it still feels so rushed?” Cuz it’s so true. I know others say people generally don’t play bayonetta for the story but they had a nice story line happening in 1 and 2. With 3 it feels like they just… tossed whatever stuck to the wall and hoped it was enough to close the chapter on the bayo verse. I truthfully think they’re done with bayo (and even viola if ima be honest) and want to move onto something completely new but what a lousy way to go about it 🙄
It's literally a bunch of half baked ideas stapled together with school glue. It's the least cohesive of the 3 and it falls short in so many aspects. I mean, I would rather they have just taken more time with it instead of this being what we were left with. Or give it over to another set of developers who care more. Best thing Kamiya ever did in his career was make Bayo 1 and give the rights to DMC over.
Development only started in 2017, so 5 years. The game doesn't feel rushed at all, it simply lacks polish in certain areas and is extremely polished in others. It feels a bit inconsistent because of that. Still a great experience gameplay-wise, story could definitely be better.
@@umbranelegance9034 The graphics for bayos face is worse as well. How could she look better in 2 when that was made in 2014.
Maybe they borrow sum crumbs from Nomura lol
Ah yes, because after their done with the 2nd game, they immediately move to the 3rd, lol.
18:08 - Scenes with absolutely no reaction to Enzo grieving his family, her standing around while other Bayos gets killed, her killing posessed soldiers that she can literally not fight are saying hello :)
Bayo 3 was initially intended to be an open world game but the devs kept running into hardware constraints
Bayo 3 was just the rushed sequel to astral chain
Looking back, they had the perfect punishment for over relying on demon slaves with the enrage mechanic. But then they had to add an accessorie that completely negates that side of the game. I used the accessorie during my whole playthrough because it's obviously extremely strong but it made the combat in some sections pretty boring...
Enemy design is also not helping in this regard since there are multiple enemies that just suck to fight without demons. The radar tower enemy for example is just an abomination that shouldn't exist. This guy forces you to play almost exclusively as your demon for a while AND it punishes you for not using a certain demon. They just had to place it in a witch trial as well :/
This!!!! I think the mechanic is indeed interesting and as stated in the review had some fun with it! I just also think the game overly relies on it at times...
I think overall the game lacks credibility in almost all areas because it doesn't fine tune almost anything. Even to the point of the different playstyles. Bayonetta is sort of stuffed with options that she starts to feel too easy to play and really casual which makes fighting boring. On the other hand, you have Viola who feels very bare bones and not well implemented at all cause everything is balanced around Bayo. So you either have too easy, or poorly executed and limited. It's a garbage way to play and it never seems to hit that sweet spot.
@@umbranelegance9034 Free magic is basically the reason, if you needed to build up it it would been actually more tactical and your good play would be rewarded to use them more. You have renegeration which means devs don't want you to loose it, no matter how good or bad is player, so theres no risk/reward in actually having access to them between verses. Also if Demons actually used magic on the moves themselves, spamming most powerful ones could be easily prevented. Its true that switching them is beneficial but in the game where almost every Demon (specially with artifact) is a powerhouse just by itself, its actually better to not do that to not spend any magic.
This is one of the major concessions, along with free Torture Attacks that are relying on Demon Slaves to be triggered. It way clearly a concious decision on the devs part.
@@saaaaaaaaadasda I've actually been saying this for a little while now. The game clearly lacks that risk vs reward factor that existed in previous titles albeit less so in 2. Without much of a reward for taking a risk, you just seem to not care as much about how well you're doing or if you do, it's nightmarish and unfufilling as a result. The main contender is Viola's combat sections. It'd ironic because I feel like they took risks with integrating combat differently and trying out a multiverse aspect to the story. They executed it in the WORST way possible though and the gameplay still leaves alot to be desired.
@@umbranelegance9034 I agree, the whole magic system is turned down on its head - now you have it from the start and your main goal is not bleed it too much, which is hard to do, unless you constanlty switching. It simplifies for devs the need to fine tune every Demon and fit them all into single drain rate. Also you cant increase magic generation though taunting and the score benefit is abysmal (15%vs50 previously) so its often not worth it.
Agree on story and Viola, irony is if that she was actually a good Nero rip-off with MGR satisfying parrying i would sing a serenades for her.
I'm now at the fifth stage of grief. In the end, multiverses mean that we'll get more Bayo in some way shape or form in the future. I just want a better executed game, Bayo 2 was perfect, it just needed Bayo1's combat depth and more better balance. Bayo4 should take a cue from 2's art direction, story telling and pacing, with 1's combat nuance and 3's Kaiju combat system. Also bring back hands and feet A/B mapping.
The DMC5 comparison doesn't even end with Viola. Just look at the train weapon in Bayo 3 and then at the Cavaliere weapon in DMC5
I could be mistaken but every time you mentioned Demon Masquerade, you meant Demon Slave which is the demon summoning in combat. Masquerade is the shapeshifting demon fusion.
Yeah I just rolled em both into one my apologies
I get that they’re exclusive to Nintendo because Nintendo helped fund 2 and 3. But sometimes I dream about what would have happened if they were able to be funded by companies with powerful consoles.
Fr a game like this on PS5 would be a dream come true ☺️
Probably nothing beyond being better looking and running smoother. The visual update would be nice but overall, the game has many more issues other than the framerate. Namely, the supervising director seems to not give much of a crap about consistency. He seems hellbent on shoehorning every bad cliche into his writing. It's so awful.
@@umbranelegance9034 Fun Fact: This is the first Bayonetta game not to directed by Yusuke Hashimoto, he left Platinum to rejoin Capcom. It shows.
I heard so much about performance issues for this game. I never experienced any problems, but then I realized “ higher difficulties” is probably why. I personally never venture out of normal when playing games.
Maybe it me but i feel Gomorrah should have been the big bad because that moment when she didn't wiped out the toothpaste monster she could have taken control of that one monster and just made toothpaste demon minions plus they could have given Gomorrah a humanoid form to explain why she hate bayo so much.Also everytime Gomorrah pop out she's trying to wack bayo in every universe.
Also I understand that bayo 3 isn't on bayo 1 and 2 level but both 1 and 2 have kill gods or a God at one point. So the story is saying two God killers plus and extra bayo couldn't kill a man made bio weapons hell that army of bayo couldn't kill him 🤔🤔😒
Even though Viola's role was huge in this game I can honestly say that her only having three chapters is fine with me, I did not enjoy playing as her and it's further cemented when you have badasses like Bayonetta and Jeanne ( Umbran tears levels). Also something I don't like about the level designs in this game is how they manage to throw in the arcade style levels in each chapter, once you are into it you cannot leave I sometimes found myself closing the game entirely whenever I would replay levels just because I didn't want to deal with it. It's so polarizing because despite all it's flaws I still like the game, but when you compare it to the first two titles it just feels like a slap in the face.
Very intricate and well put together comment on the state of the Bayonetta franchise
Huge fan of both DMC and Bayonetta, but clear that Platinum took inspiration from DMC... spoilers...
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Lava spider named Phant-,
Chainsaw weapon that you ride,
pppp combo with viola is clearly yamato combo c,
Luka is dressed like a dollar store Dante,
"Not Nero" activates her "not devil trigger" by stabbing through the chest with "not Yamato"... I'm sure there are other instances I'm missing
XD i'm saying if you got to the spoiler section I did a whole breakdown on viola/nero and how similar they are to each other and why I don't think viola has the lasting power Nero has. I'm hopping for dlc and more fleshed out storylines for her sooner rather than later...
NOT DOLLAR STORE DANTE 😭😭😭
I just realize Luka last name is Redgrave guess a call back to Tony Redgrave or Redgrave city I think was mentioned in DMC5
I had my concerns since I saw the enemy design and they all literally looked like loogies, but I was so excited for a new bayonetta I didn’t care, I ended up being right the enemy design is just awful
So glad I grew up in the era of single-digit framerates...
I never noticed any of the frame issues everyone complains about.
I have special eyes.
I'm 21 tho? also grew up in the 360 era of gaming with single digit framerate and vsync issues galore however. Hardware got better so I expect better. Bayonetta 2 doesn't run this poorly back when I played it on Wii U it has drops yeah but it still doesn't run nearly as poor as bayo3 imo
Are you serious because I was born in the 80’s and 30 to 60 it’s clearly noticeable 😂
Hi man, big bayo fan since the first game, and yeah I would like to agree. Kinda sucks not being able to whip out torture attacks on a whim, the demons just by themselves also feel kinda.. empty. Like they’re a nice accent to finish a combo, but by themselves don’t have anything substantial, and the ending really sucked. Totally saw the DMC influence in full effect 😂 I’ll still be playing it, probably a few play throughs to get all the Umbrian tears. Side note : I believe it’s the first level where you can get Umbrian tears, if you do you’ll unlock the whip as an item, which was by far my favorite item to use. Cheers, hopefully they resurrect her from the dead and Viola dies immediately after.
😆The ending sentence! Thanks for the comment and i'm hoping for more dlc. Either to flesh viola out or bring back bayo (the ladder preferred) sucks cause viola can be a dope character but Platinum fumbled the bag imo!
i was enjoying bayonetta 3s story till i finished it, then i realized it was a train wreck, so many plot points go unanswered. You start out having no idea whats going on and end the same way. Also whats up with the baddies in this game, really just came out of left field lol, its like this isnt the world of bayonetta it feels like a differrent franchise story with the chatacter bayonetta thrown in it.
combat in then game is servicible, there are alot of weapons and demons to contract but no incentive to use them, there are also no flat damage increases in the skill tree just more move unlocks. i personaly finished the game only using the yoyos and godzilla, waifu summon.
Loved the review, agreed with a lot of it. Biggest problem I had outside of the things you mentioned was that the action in the cutscenes felt really flat to me compared to bayonetta 1 and 2. Just felt like there was a lack of intensity, especially with the game removing so many qte opportunities. This is more of a problem at the start of the game because the scenes in the final chapter is amazing and I love them, but I wish they went somewhere different with how that final chapter played out lol :p
Ooo this! I didn't bring it up in my review as I've recently felt this way as well but yeah the action def need a bit more oomph, seeing bayo1/2 cutscenes vs 3 the difference are a striking XD
@@YungFalcon yeah I was sitting and thinking to myself. If I was to have a playthrough of bayo 1 and 3 side by side, I'd rather be looking at bayo 1, that game is pure eye candy. That being said I did still really enjoy my time with bayo 3.
Yep yep! Bayo 1-3 are all good games in their own special ways rn my favorite is still bayo2!
@@YungFalconI actually feel that the story from 1 and 2 was pretty good (solid 7) while 3 was confusing and unnecessary grim for whatever reason. Bayo 2 has the best cutscene and the best Bayonetta. Seriously, she is full on dom in that one and frankly, the prettiest.
Hard agree 😂
One thing I don’t get is if we’re playing as brace cereza. Why does everyone call her Bayonetta? If she wasn’t sealed away and didn’t lose her memories. Why does she use that name?
Well see, Kamiya isn't a smart man. He's very much a bad writer and even worse supervising director. I'm sure if you ask him this question, he'll immediately block you because he's a garbage human being.
I actually came up with an explanation. It revolves around Bayonettas work with Enzo "jobs" shes calls them. Now Enzo is stated do business of the criminal variety in his character bio in the game and Bayonetta alludes to this in the French universe stating how Enzo on the "other side of the law might be worse". In the 1st game Bayonetta did a job for Enzo which involved killing some dude named Eggman, this shows the kind of "jobs" she does, and if she does do dealings of the "criminal or at the very least morally/legally questionable variety" then she probably has dealings with the criminal underworld which would warrant an alternate identity, one specifically for these kind of interactions she would have.
Bayonetta is a nickname given to her by Jeanne when they were growing up together, I thought people knew that by now.
@@SomeSprites Well canonically, it's actually given to her by Rodin in the original after he discovers her and becomes her demonsmith.
Interestingly though, it is actually herself that dons the name. Because see, the ribbon attached to her says Bayonetta in Demon script. So when she gives her younger self (Our Protag for 3) the ribbon in the future, she thusly names herself in the events leading up to the first game and Rodin must have seen this ribbon and gave her that name since she has amnesia and doesn't remember herself. Meanwhile little Cereza must have started going by this name after she is taken back to her time.
As to why she is named Bayonetta in the multiverse, I really don't understand why. It doesn't really make sense for it to be a mantle. It used to be just a cool name for a Witch with No Memories. I don't really remember reading anywhere about Jeanne giving her the name in childhood. It's just supposed to be a nod to how she could use guns and blades of all kinds.
All they had to do was look behind them.
Astral Chain is also an incredible action game on switch I wish they'd make a sequel to it
Not a fan of astral chain sadly. weakest platinum game aside from Activision titles. If they made a sequel that has combat similar to bayo3 it'll make the game a whole lot better
@@YungFalcon I liked it not as much as the bayonetta but really enjoyed the combat
Def fair! Astral chain had some dope things going on! Just wasn't for me
@@YungFalcon gotta disagree that game is 10x better than this
Great video
I agreed with you on at every point but 1
And that's violas gameplay
Her core mechanic is her Parry
And her Parry in my opinion is God awful for 2 reasons
1. For some ungodly reason it's the same button for the quick dash so when you're trying to Parry it can make you do the dash into another enemy and get hit or depending on which direction you're in you could jump into the enemy and get hit by the attack you're trying to dodge
And I also wanna know why they gave her a dodge button it's barely used
Ik part of this stems to the fact that she doesn't have a demon masquerade and can't do the same bayo does
A fix to this would've been to eliminate the dodge and jump away mechanic
And make R3 her run button
And onto my second point
The telling and timing for her Parry is SO OFF that maybe out of every 15 parries only 10 of them actually block and maybe 3 or 4 of them activate which time while only 1 would activate a perfect witch time
Her parries need to be adjusted or something because the mechanic along with the button layout just aren't it
I mean I do complain about the party a fair bit was not trying to defend it XD I just know it'll feel easier to pull off/better in 60fps
@@YungFalcon oh my fault bro
U good XD I detail it a bit in spoilers so probs got missed in the ongoing rant that was bayo3 XD
Top notch review, yo. The Rise of Skywalker comparison is completely on point.
Thank you! And glad some one agrees
The best argument was this had 5 years of work and concept put into it.... and after rewatching vids and new video's from the new bayonetta when she is a child game. Iv concluded they are separating the content that bayonnetta 3 actually had so they can do a cash grab.
8 years of work?
nice review i have to give this bayonetta series another chance sometime
They're all really stand out character action games highly recommend ☺️
some lore stuff that has not been explained in the main game is explained in the archives like luka becoming a werewolf etc
PLEASE FINISH THE VIDEO do not post spoilers without tagging! I made that very clear. That being said, I have to go back and read the Bayonetta 1/2 archives to figure out why he turned into a wolf because I don't remember any of that being brought up in the lumen sage journal joints still mid writing regardless
I feel them making this bayo an alternate bayo that isn't the bayo from 1+2 (which was confirmed in game) is a possible scapegoat if fans don't like it they can just write it off or retcon it as just something in another universe.
I do with the bayonettas where more fleshed out and had deeper lore
This game had alot of unexplained stuff
The arch stuff was dumb since bayo multiple Jeannes and rosa was one.
The love story was forced considering this bayo didn't experience bayo 1+2 since this is again confirmed not the same bayo and rodins discription only applies to the human world. Jubileus and asier didn't exist anymore since they where taken out in another world by another bayo.
Ignoring that Luka and bayo didn't really have anything even in one, yeah they flirted in bayo 1 but it was never serious.. when they did it was clear bayo didn't mean it and Luka always ended up on his ass in the end.
I'm not gonna speak on Jeanne either because she got done dirty
But in the end the og bayo from 1+2 unfused before this bayo died and the world's we're restored... I can sleep well knowing that I believe only this one bayo died since singularity didn't kill her the others got revived when singularity was destroyed.
This game Scream story DLC
I'm down for more!!
I really hope so. Because waiting for another Bayonetta game will be 10 years from now. Will be very painful. 😢
continuation of the storybook too
@@tovi3280 What do you mean? Care to explain?
@@jaguar4120 i pray that they do continue the storybook's story in the future, preferably DLC
I thoroughly enjoyed 3. Best combat I'm my opinion. I enjoy the mix ups with the summons.
For once I liked all the weapons. My favorite being Abracadabra and then the Yoyo's.
Story for Bayo series has always been...eh. Could of it been handled better? Yes, but in the end I didn't mind it.
Now I liked Viola a lot more than I thought. But hope some dlc or something cause I'd like more levels with her.
All good! I also really enjoyed the combat! The story I do like quite a bit in the franchise, I'm hoping for more viola content to see if I come around to her
feel your pain..
Plz tag spoilers ☺️ but yes I was very let down by the plot it's just unfair for Bayonetta and viola they both deserve better
@@YungFalcon Sorry about that..
@@YungFalcon I was initially not feeling Viola, but she grew on me as I played her. The story, while confusing, had me on an emotional roller coaster, cheering, crying and everything in between.
@@Dawnella66 same for sure viola is a character that can grow on me but I think I need to see more either in a new game or dlc. Don't hate her just wish she got a better introduction
@@YungFalcon 100 percent agree!
This game in my head canon - is rectonned. Bullshit ending. Why dunk on your characters like this. Maybe she'll come back in a Bayo4, but given how long this took to come out, it may never happen if sales aren't strong. It's not going out lke this because I'm retconning it lol.
I found you on Twitter. Great video.
ahh thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks once again for watching it means a lot :D
There is literally an item that allows u to continue moving while summoning.
Wow it's almost like I'm aware of it and I'm not a fan of that style of play? Literally finish the video before commenting I bring it up in viola's section as to why that gameplay formula isn't fun for me. Why would I want to summon a beast have 0 control over what it's doing and hope I get the flashy combo I want, the issue is you have to decide between no control of a demon with a nerfed combo route. Or take control of a demon with a combo route that feels clunky to pull off both of which makes combat in this Bayonetta a bit jarring. Not bad just different
@@YungFalcon I might also add that with this artifact, in my case for some reason they stand around half of the time pretending to be a tree or make an unsuitable move for the situation. Queue attacks are making this artifact obsolete.
I think everyone can pretty much agree, Bayonetta 3's story is, bar none, THE WORST story in the entire series. I mean seriously, it's not even a debate. As I see it, there are two main reasons for that. And one of those reasons...unfortunately...IS Viola.
Now, to be fair, Viola isn't carrying ALL (or even MOST) of the story's bad baggage, but she IS saddled with a sizeable chunk of it, all the same. And I say it's unfortunate because right from the get-go, it was obvious what they wanted her to be. Quite simply, the whole point of Viola was for her to be a playable analogue for LUKA...someone to be in that "bumbling sidekick" role, for whom every situation she finds herself in turns into a complete cluster-fuck...the only difference being that Viola can actually handle herself in a fight (sort of). And taking her character strictly on THOSE terms, it's easy to appreciate what they were going for and you can see the spark of a good idea here, peeking through the cracks.
The only problem is, it's the exact same reason why every story point that revolves around her just DOESN'T WORK. It's the whole reason for shoehorning in that whole C-plot involving Luka and Faeries in the first place, because too many wheels were turning before somebody thought to mention, "Well okay, but if we're going to make THIS girl the exposition dump/comic relief...how are we gonna write in LUKA now? Because that was HIS job for the first two games". So they had to slap together something for him to do, and obviously, it was an idea that they never fully cracked and clearly just gave up on toward the end. So that whole thing doesn't play. It's also the reason why the whole idea of (at least one) Bayonetta getting killed off and having Viola take up her mantle doesn't work, because again, the whole point was to make her the bumbling sidekick and she never grows out of that. So even if you accept the fact that Platinum wanted to close the book on Bayonetta (and seriously, who WOULD?) why would anyone buy into this as even a PLAUSIBLE conclusion, let alone a satisfying one?
All annoying grievances to be sure. But those all pale in comparison to the one element that TRULY breaks the game's story...and that's the Multiverse, itself. Because the whole idea of the Multiverse basically becomes a crutch for every lazy-ass writing decision that could possibly be crammed into one game.
All the elements of the plot that DON'T make sense? "MULTIVERSE!"
All the parts of the story that they don't even bother to explain? "MULTIVERSE!"
Which isn't to say that they don't explain ANYTHING. They just don't bother to explain it IN-GAME. I mean, in Bayo 1 and 2, you at least got to hear what the bad guys wanted ("Hi, this is who I am and this is why I done what I did"). In this game, you actually have to read the Character Bios in the menu to find out that Singularity was an accidentally created Artificial Human (basically an AI) who wanted to eliminate all chaotic elements from the universe, because his whole motivation was to make the universe mathematically perfect. You even have to read the Character Bios to find out just what the hell is going on with Luka (even though it's not MUCH of an explanation, because like I said, it was an idea they never fully cracked). But yeah, apparently, none of this was even worth going to the effort of explaining in the actual game, proper. They just give you a bunch of text as an info dump.
Like I said...LAZY. Hell, there are even subtle hints that the final scene with Viola might not actually be the Viola we played as, all game, but possibly an alternate Viola who never experienced any of the trauma and loss of Singularity's invasion (but that's another show). So Platinum may not be all that committed to the ending they've crafted here. And that's another issue with the whole "Multiverse" angle. Because Platinum can just constantly retcon anything they want now and whitewash over it with the word, "MULTIVERSE!", nothing they do actually MATTERS. So what kind of a future can the franchise have, going forward?
At least, that's just MY thinking on it.
1. Incredibly comprehensive breakdown as to why bayo3s plot is so frustrating and I'm happy to see that we aren't alone in the universe that is Bayonetta being disregarded like this XD.
2. I 100% agree the multiverse is such a lazy and on top of the that tired concept that doesn't fit well for Bayonetta. Everything that fans complain about can just be retconed away or someone can point out something whack from a cutscene and all discussions on the issues with the game can be wiped away which imo is extremely underwhelming and for lack of a better word whack. I low key hope after bayo3 we either get dlc or platinum starts work on a new IP at this point but with the last couple games they've dropped I've been straying far away from platinum ngl...
@@YungFalcon Well, to be honest, as I was playing through, I really had to wonder if part of the problem was that Platinum just wasn't in the right headspace for this game, to begin with. For years, they've been working on darker titles like the Nier games and Astral Chain. And honestly...I think it kind of "corrupted" them, for lack of a better word. Because honestly, I think they forgot..."Hey, this is BAYONETTA we're talking about. We're not about failure after failure after failure and worlds dying and existential dread. That's not what we do here. Damn it, we're supposed to be having FUN, right?!".
Not that the first two Bayonetta games didn't have dark and tense moments. But that's all they were...just MOMENTS. I mean, yes, what happened to Bayonetta's parents, and to Jeanne in the second game, were supposed to be tragic. They were the downer notes that added texture by undercutting what, on the surface, APPEARED to be the coolest existence possible...having super powers, casually fighting off ethereal interlopers and just calmly strutting through life, with absolutely ZERO fucks given, because there are absolutely ZERO consequences to anything you do. Even as Bayonetta is venturing into the depths of Inferno to rescue Jeanne's soul in Bayo 2, you never once see her lose her smile or stop having fun with it, because she never once doubts that she'll succeed. This time around, though, it's like they flipped the script. Now, it feels more like what WAS the game's overall sense of frivolity is what's been pared down to just moments, while the darkness takes hold of the story, overall.
Although if you think about it, the argument COULD be made that this whole "Multiverse" angle really is the ultimate example of Bayonetta's consequence-free life. Already, theories are starting to swirl about the ending, how even as the Bayonetta we were playing as still died, all the other incarnations and universes that Singularity absorbed were restored after his destruction. And like I said, there are even subtle hints that the final scene with Viola might actually be an alternate Viola. And that's really the thing, isn't it? I mean, because the whole thing is "Multiverse" now, you can pretty much do whatever you want and in another universe, none of that happened. Like I said...LAZY WRITING.
Not that Platinum's been all that on the ball with their writing these days. You mentioned how you didn't care for Astral Chain. And I know we may be in the minority on this, but honestly, I didn't either. Yeah, I'll say it, the parts that worked REALLY worked. But the parts that sucked...REALLY sucked.
Fr I think the explanation here holds merits part of why astral chain didn't hit for me (aside from let's be real a pretty bad storyline that was the most predictable and safe thing you could pull off in a vaguely cyberpunk world and so so gameplay) was the dread the plot left it's just so depressing and when the comedy is there it just feels undeserved, as for Nier automata while a dark game I think the message overall is a positive uplifting one, but in classic modern platinum fashion they only saw surface level. I recall interviews with yoko taro (don't quote me here it's been awhile XD) where he discussed how working with platinum was difficult because they didn't understand anything about subtle/environmental story telling. Hell even babalyons fall is a very depressing dark mess
@@YungFalcon Well, part of my issue with Astral Chain was their "let's throw everything at the wall that we've ever done in a video game before" approach to the gameplay...even the stuff that they could never got to work right. You know, things like the slash mechanic, which sucks every bit as much as it did in Metal Gear Rising.
But it is true that the story's not much better. The goal with Astral Chain was to do what they originally did with Bayonetta and try to basically present their own anime mini series in video game form. The problem is that it gets too cliche in parts and in others, overreaches by trying to be too clever by half.
I mean, you knew all along that the guy running the show was up to no good. So you're obviously wondering what he's gonna do when you kill the bad guy and open the floodgates for him. But at the climax, when you find out that his whole scheme amounts to him basically just wanting to do the exact same thing the bad guy wanted to do, "but with a twist", you really can't help but go, "Seriously? THAT was the best you guys could come up with?"
And what's worse is how it led into a universal flaw with these types of characters. They constantly rail about how THEIR plan is going to be in everyone's best interest, but if you asked them what they would DO if they actually got what they wanted...they wouldn't be able to give you an answer. It's like all those 80s cartoon villains who all want to take over the world, but have absolutely NO idea what they would do with the world if they HAD it.
I mean, that's kind of pathetic, when you really think about it, right? These narcissistic anime megalomaniacs, who all dream and scheme above their station, and yet, you could SHATTER their ENTIRE ambition with just three simple words...
"AND...THEN...WHAT?"
@@TuxedAaron LIKE!? FRRRR and for me the biggest gripe I had aside from villains was the ABHORRENT FAMILY MOTIVATION. It's so half baked and cliche that I oftentimes rolled my eyes over and over by the amount of forced character deaths and "plot twist" they throw at the player and ur twin. It's a frustrating plot through and through and I'll never understand how so many people enjoyed it especially considering it's a platinum game title that strives for uniqueness but ultimately feels uninspired and like a clone game of the very company it's made by. Very good Convos btw XD you should def look into reviewing games I'd love to watch the type of content you'd produce!
Oddly enough, I cannot find your channel. I was shocked seeing you were a smaller content creator, but when I went to look at more of your videos, I could not find your channel or any videos. Am I tripping?
Hmm that's weird I might be blocked on TH-cam's algorithm but I do indeed have multiple videos on the channel XD
I hated it. Such a let down. I loved Bayonetta 1 & 2.
Bayo 3 is a lousy and horrible game, from the way it is organised, timed wasted, the human resources wasted , the director are stupid to both design and develop the game. We wait 8 years from Bayo2 and Bayo 1 (bayo2 is the best game of all three). If bayo 3 is the strongest why she can only summon 2 hell monsters (the design of Madama Butterfly is horribly old), secondly she can't meet Aesir because Bayo 2 and 1 have dealt and she's in a timeline her father died because of Bayo 1 ( Aesir was defeated by Bayo2 ) She just grew up unsealed without facing any challenges not to mention Sigurd being a freak and why is stronger than Aesir? And where is Loki? Where are the angels from Paradiso ? And Rodin just watched and didn't help? Jeane died in a costume designed can’t be more hideous after Bayo 1 she was a Umbran princess , Bayo 2 she was a girl who summoned Gamora to chew on Loptr's corpse and then died by a lightsaber? The character's personality in the game is severely lacking and blank by a stupid Naruto script (wtf is Viola ,she just a child from an unknown Bayo and then she become the next Bayo4? ), despite we are in 2022 but the game development are trash and terrible in graphics and very lag, the character's face design is ugly and pale, compared to DMC5 it loses in all aspects, (not even being play by real actor and character personal story )the plot and psychology are lacking and Bayonetta is also famous for its own uniqueness that is not just stuffing in and following popular things like the Multiverse( they all die ) or the Godzilla version that pulls her heart more than a dozen times just to summon. To sum up, I would like to put this Game in the trash and burn it, wasting time and money and showing the downfall as well as the superficiality of money greed from the Head of Platinum company. Bayo 4 don't come out because surely if Hideki Kamya continues to make the game, it will be trash like Baybilon Fall, recent Platinum game looking at Elden Ring and DMC5, Bayo 3 is a completely pile of trash😊
Masterful said! Excellent essay on all the problems with bayo3 atm
You're out of your goddamn mind with these comments. The game has a few issues (and bland characters like Viola), but overall it's a fantastic experience, despite the hardware limitations. I had tremendous FUN playing it and there's no doubt it's GOTY material.
I can't even lie. I struggled playing Bayonetta 2. I enjoyed it but the visual effects + small screen makes it really hard to see what's going on. I'm going to skip 3 since you mentioned it has similar problems.
Personally liked Viola since she's a breath of fresh air in the franchise as being clumsy and having flaws like her claustrophobia among the wide cast of overly confident characters. It can give her a chance to grow up and mature in the next game and perhaps have her flesh out more on her background since there's a lot we don't know about her. It's just too bad the game did her so dirty for not giving her enough screentime to develop her. If the game was given at least 6 more main chapters, it would probably be better.
Will admit I was a bit too harsh on her in the review. She's def growing on me but as stated above I'd love more chapters to flesh her out 😀
@@YungFalcon No no no, you are right about being harsh on her BECAUSE her role in this game was like 3 missions. The game didn't start with her, build her up, or give her enough time to develop. She is, in fact, a gen Z knockoff that somehow combined DONTE (DmC) and the worst quality of Nero into one. Everything she did, those 2 did it better. Yeah, making me, a hater of DmC, compliment DmC Donte was a big mistake.
XD ngl you're not wrong
In my opinion the Train by far is the worst thing in the game I would have rather it been buggy so you could just turn it a full f****** 360° but instead it's just wonky
And then when it rampages...
@@derrickdaniels3955 Fun Fact: This is the first Bayonetta game not to directed by Yusuke Hashimoto, he left Platinum to rejoin Capcom. It shows.
@@orangeslash1667 I think I remember him, he's the one that worked on Bayonetta 1 and 2's story, then worked on DMC 5 right?
@@derrickdaniels3955 No that was Bingo Morihashi who worked on the story for Bayo 2 and DMC 5.
Bayonetta 3 does really well as a "The death of Bayonetta" story to me but as a love story? It's garbo.
Idk I feel like it fails as both stories neither version felt fleshed out Imo. I think I'd rather just not have viola be in the plot at all and maybe have her own dlc or side stories to really give her a proper story/arc we can follow it just felt a bit hastily paced. I really wanted more time to focus on Bayonetta dealing with some of her past trauma and while they did there best (the Paris levels for example) I still feel like she didn't get enough time to shine just my thoughts
After what she did in the first game this main villian shouldnt be able to push her to the limits. Summoning huge godzilla stuff shouldnt tax her either since he summoned a Madame Butterfly bigger than earth at the end of part 1. The devs are just tired of making games for bayonetta
@@realamericannegro977 well the villain's power is literally creating predetermined events. She had to change what was already absolute to win which by definition would cost everything.
Hard disagree with blaming Nintendo and the Switch for how bad the game looks. The Switch isnt strong but many games look great on it despite that, heck even Bayonetta 1 and 2. This is completely on Platinum for not optimizing it properly.
Half-right imo, ports of Wii U and 360 games with better artsyles will shockingly look better and run better. But we ain't talking about ports are we? 75% of switch titles look crusty with no anti alliasing have terrible framerstes that never go above 30FPS and are hard carried by great artstyles that are held back by aging hardware. XBC3/2/1 .y fav game series of all time looks like garbage in portable mode minus kind of 3rd entry. Mario Odyssey runs and looks great but still has a AA issue and dynamic res in portable is rough. The Pokemon games are dreadful, I'll give you Mario kart 8 but oh right that's a Wii U title ported over... Mario party looks fine new Pikmin sure looks good. The fire emblem games as much as I love them have truly the ugliest textures on switch and a AA issue. And these our just my gripes with first party third party titles vary from ugly but passable because "it's portable" to straight up UNPLAYABLE because it's resolution or frame rate or both is so low! Personally as a Nintendo fan I just want my console to look and do better considering I paid good money for it and Nintendo refuses to optimize most of their first party lineup. The blame ain't on Platinum this time it's on Nintendo's ageing hardware.
@@YungFalcon None of that explains how it's Nintendo or the Switch's fault. The fact that there are exceptions to those in the first place, not only within your own examples but outside of it as well such as Smash Ultimate, Mario Strikers and Splatoon 3 just to name a few, goes to show that it is possible for games outside of ports from older systems to look and run great. I'm a Nintendo fan as well (more than I'd like to admit at times), and I definitely agree that we deserve better than what we have, especially when this hardware is what we'll still be dealing with for years to come. But despite deserving much better, what we have was shown to be enough for devs to work with and optimize to the best of their ability not only in the past but to this present day. At that point, it's up to the developers to decide whether they want to put in that extra effort to do so, or take shortcuts to sacrifice either resolution or framerate in favor of the other (which alone isn't a bad thing either since games on the Switch still look great at 30 fps or 720p.)
I think I did explain how it's Nintendo's fault it's implied but I'll be a bit more thorough with my explanation. Nintendo manufactures the switch. The switch uses a graphics chip called the Tegra X1 which is based on Android architecture from nivida a.k.a a mobile chipset. It's already weaker than the Xbox one and PS4 along with it being weaker than the series X/S and ps5. It's borderline more powerful than the Wii u by a slim margin. I'm not talking about games looking pretty that's debatable. You said Mario strikers (lmao remember when GameCube had 60fps special moves?) I think that game highlights all my issues with the switch! mediocre artstyle, 60fps gameplay unless you super shot or score which cuts it to 30fps making certain players like me nauseous, lack of creative fields, and anti alliasing all for that sweet 60fps. It's a mess. It's compromises that would not exist on other hardware. Splatoon 3 yeah 60fps is great but still based on wii U code which once again means no AA, small maps to compensate for draw distance, aside from that no crazy flaws but again not really groundbreaking graphically or artistically. Don't get me started with the Kirby games refusal to hit 60fps until RETURN TO DREAMLAND untop of the games suffering again no AA and frame drops during super attacks stuff that didn't exist prior to switch. The list keeps going with the compromises first party games must take to support the ageing hardware that's the switch. In what world at that point do you think it's PLATINUMS FAULT for making the next entry in their bombastic, explosive cutscene heavy franchise not run well? Let it rock at 30fps like astral chain!? Scaleback QTEs and setpieces for the sake of having what more 60fps moments? Turn on aggressive dynamic res so players can't see "but at least it's 60!" Im basically saying fine if you think first party switch artsyles are good that's awesome I agree no one's denying that. But I'm talking about what's actually in the games. Not the artstyle and in games there's a slew of graphically hang ups and issues due to Nintendo using outdated hardware. I don't think text is the conversation for this btw cause there's so much to unpack with both POVs but I'm hoping you see my angle.
Oh for sure, even with the disagreement I definitely understand where you're coming from and see truth in what you're saying. Even for a handheld hybrid, the Switch could be much better than it is, and its current state makes it harder for games to reach their full potential without sacrifices. But yeah there is a lot to unpack from both sides that's hard to do with text so I'm ok with just agreeing to disagree.
That's fair def a too each their own situation glad we can see both sides pros and cons have a good one
I fought hey DMC IV and V you switch between all your weapons to do some bad ass combo . And story is so bad and it wasn’t even fun . And since the switch was unable to keep this around low 30s fps made fight a pain .
No its not the switch why games run poorly, its the optimization on the DEVELOPERS end. If an engine was put in your car by a mechanic and he succeeded by putting the engine in the car but the hoses, the wiring was improperly connected or unfinished being connected or was barely connected, the car would start and drive but the car would run poorly. Same thing here.
Trueee I've been letting devs on switch slide for far too long tbh... Great analogy and observation
here is the problem with your anology. a car has one specific fuction that matter and if it fails at that, then it does not work. also their is no artistic interpretation in a car components. a videogame is a work of art, and if the artist is limited by the hardware they are developing for, then the problem is the hardware, the dev needs better hardware to make their vison work, this does not mean that every game on the swtich is having problems because of the hardware(looking at you pokemon s&v) but that they are games that are being hold back by the hardware when it comes to preformance and graphics(bayo 3, xenoblade, astral chain.) sometimes for artist to achive their vision they need specific hardware that does not exist at the time or they dont have access to so they do their best with what they have. go exmples of films that are groundbreaking but limited for when the came out are, the OG godzilla and King Kong. they are amanzing film that the tech of the time limited.
So sad we got cringemode. F
We need a rewrite of the game.
Man, this really sums up everything about this game plot: trash~
I'm gonna copy-paste the comment I left on Chasertechs video expressing how feel about the game. Lol
Here's my way too long comment.👇
As someone who isnt bothered by the story at all, I honestly think this game is the best entry so far. I mean, dont get me wrong, I'm attached to the characters, I do love them, but I dont really care what happens to them in the story tbh. I just like hearing them talk, and do shit in cutscenes, and be flirty and wacky. Lol But that's just me.
Everything else lived up to my expectations, the combat is far more exceptional than ever, we got so many new weapons that are all fun to use,(except for G-Pillar, I dont like that one)Demon Slave is cool to experiment with, and is a pleasant new mechanic, the music is sick af, the movement felt fluid, and most of the enemies were fun to fight. There were some stinkers with the enemies, but overall I enjoyed fighting them.
I'm still getting the hang of Viola tho. Shes tricky to play with, but satisfying to use once I start getting into her flow. Block offset is fun as hell to pull off when I can do it consistently. I still prefer Bayo tho.
The level design tho can be very annoying when trying to find all the secrets and collectables, because everything is so open, and big, but I also like it at the same time because it's such a joy to run, fly, and swing around all these open spaces swiftly while in Demon Masquerade. The traversing in this game is surprisingly enjoyable. If Platinum made a platformer game with this type of swift traversing I would play it in a heartbeat ngl.
Also, I know a lot of people aren't fond of the arcade-y/mini-game sections, like the Jeanne chapters, the Kaiju fights etc, etc, but as a PlatinumGames fan, I was actually looking forward to them. Lol
Whenever I play a PlatinumGames game I always go into it with the mindset of "get ready to play some wacky arcade shit" and I fucking love them.
They're so damn goofy, and silly, and just pure arcade fun. They also serve as a nice palette cleanser from all the constant frantic action, at least for me.
These mini-games were also actually enjoyable, unlike the bike section that goes on for way too long, the grating Angel Attack sections after you complete any chapter, and the nauseating Space Harrier section in Bayo 1.
I dont remember any mini-games in Bayo 2 other than the horse-riding section(which is literally just the bike section from 1 but you can now attack better)or the not nauseating, but more boring, Space Harrier section. So yeah, I actually really enjoy the mini-games, and stages in Bayo 3. Lol However I, totally understand why people dont like them, especially the Kaiju fights, because they can be pretty slow.
But yeah, those are my thoughts on Bayo 3, and why I think it's the best entry. Didn't think my comment would be this long.
Currently on my second playthrough, and enjoying every minute of it, maybe my feelings will change the more I stick with it, but for now I'm loving it. 9/10
I do wish it looked better tho, and had a consistent frame rate. Shame that its chained to such weak hardware on the Switch.
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Trash take
Still cannot complain just be happy that we got it
LMAO no.
I guess it's fine. It's just a different game with its ow strengths.
learn how to play first
L comment surprisingly this bayo was the easiest of the two it's the first one I got pure platinum and platinums on without retries
@@YungFalcon Pure Platinum is pretty easy in Bayo 3, so I'm partly thankful. The game saves your best score on each verse, plus you can retry from checkpoints. As long as you get Pure Platinum once in a verse, that's there forever... But it also has no penalties for using items that I know, so you can kinda just spam lollipops and win. Not to mention a certain glitch with a post-game demon trivializes most verses...
@@mastermewtwo5503 Plus you can die endlessly and still get pure platinum... im not joking.
Because how bad it is?