Fair play to the rules designers for the Eldar as they clearly care about the faction and put a tonne of effort in but how that list of rules got past any kind of balance meeting is baffling.
Murphy is back! I still remember his first appearance in a narrative game years ago - to which he was swiftly permakilled via exterminatus to never revive - was both tragic and hilarious Great to see him finally reincarnated
I wouldnt worry about the mek guns looking different, were on about orks, they bodge anything together to make stuff work, thats the best thing about orks.
Its good to see a more balanced eldar list, but even then it was brutal! Just so Heathage knows Wraithguard have been nerfed not to have the pistol keyword anymore, its on their online index cards.
Eldar do not taste like Skittles, they taste like fruity bubblegum. Whenever you hear somebody explain all the Eldar rules, you really do see how much these index/codex rules are designed separately with different ideas of what the edition is supposed to be balanced as. Turn 1 Waagh, rather risky maneuver, since it limits how many Eldar you can krump for the feel no pain. Still don't get why some secondaries are allowed to be scored before the end of Round 1 if you go first, given the opponent had no way to deny you getting those points. Seesh took some rather poor rolling here from the Eldar and the Ork to make some improbable saves for the Ork to stay in this.
Did you always roll for the battle shock tests? The fire prism on one wound could have failed it twice on the marker, so the guardians and Warlock, who fell back (and could have had to make a desperate breakout test then).. anyways, I always love to watch your reports, thank you.
I check out other battle rep channels all the time and Winters you've got the best angles, best shots, best explanation, commentary, and pacing. You ruined the other channels for me.
I feel like the only thing needed to bring Eldar into non-oppressive and unfun territory it to change the detachment rule. What puts them over the top is the combination of fate dice AND every unit being able to reroll a hit AND a wound. Without the rerolls, those fate dice become a precious tactical resource that you have to split offensively as well as defensively. As it stands they are simply hitting everything way above average AND can autohit/wound AND can auto pass saves. Thematically fate dice are a cool concept, but logically if "fate" is the theme, they should be the ONLY form of dice manipulation Eldar get, no rerolls anywhere in the army. That is fate. Fate dice should REPLACE any kind of reroll for the army. Have it be the unique flavorful mechanic that makes this army stand out and play differently than the other factions. I'd even say they should lose access to command point rerolls. Then fate dice not only are balanced and thematic, but it makes their use truly a limited resource and tactical consideration that has to be used wisely, instead of the "ok I guess I'll just autopass every roll that matters because I can reroll everything else anyway" mentality as it currently stands. It's a dice game where currently one faction basically never has to keep the dice they roll, which just feels bad for everyone involved.
Anything that manipulates dice rolls really feels like it breaks the core idea of tabletop wargaming. Re rolls are one thing but any mechanic that allows you to simply choose a number doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game.
I'm a long time supporter of Winters but it's a bit annoying to see so many Eldar mistakes. Yes I know Heathage is new to the faction in 10th. Maybe should have played a few practice games first? - You can't use SoF dice when rolling for number of shots - Unparalleled Foresight applies to both shooting and fighting - Wraithguard were nerfed and lost Pistol ability - Twin linked shuriken catapults are only 2 shots in 10th edition - Forgot twin-linked re-rolls multiple times - Shuriken cannon have Sustained Hits 1
If you are playing orks and you aren't yelling "WAAAAGH!!!" whether you need to or not, you aren't playing orks right😂 Also be sure to check out pancreasnowork and see all the eldar lovers 😉
I agree. I see eldar vs. anything in a batrep, I skip to the end first to see the score and model disparity before I watch the video. I usually end up not watching.
Has to be the worst first battle round of any eldar player ever! Then again, he only learned the rules the other day. Phantasm would have been very helpful, or just not overcomitting against a powerful melee army. Loving the Winters salt!! Eldar, like all factions are having their day. But it will get balanced out. I just love that SMs get free guide and doom in 10th, and desolators which are basically better dark reapers from 9th, and for all those guns and flexibilities they still get upset by terminator equivalents that can’t run in units of 10 or deep strike. Hahaha Eldar hate is real, and as a life long Eldar collector I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m enjoying it just a little lol! But yes, Eldar are not balanced atm… I’ve actually put mine away - onto necrons!
Nah, they are just being a business and doing what so many other table top games are doing and what many video games are trying to do. If you have a lot of hype or a big fan base, You sell a broken game or a broken updates so that you can later sell "fixes" and "balancing measures" and so forth. Think about it, if you had a perfectly balanced game or a game that worked, there wouldn't be any need for it's players to buy anything else.
Honestly, that guy shouldn't be allowed back. Who brings the cheesiest meta list to a friendly game? He just googled the meta and brought that. Super lame battle report.
Ork vs eldar is such a classic matchup. From the hate between orks and elves in Tolkien to the 40k lore of the old ones making both and the eldar hunting orks and on and on. It just FEELS right, you know?
Now there's an irony, I was just thinking yesterday that Eldar hadn't been on the channel for a while
Fair play to the rules designers for the Eldar as they clearly care about the faction and put a tonne of effort in but how that list of rules got past any kind of balance meeting is baffling.
Trying to imagine a GW balance meeting is hilarious. The circus that would be.
The list this Eldar player is using is extremely balanced. Take a look at what the top tournament players are running and then compare.
@@ProxyHammer1 yeah I think everyone is aware of the hypertuned eldar lists.
Bold of you to assume there was a balance meeting
Elder are just boring to watch to many re rolls
1:19:56 “I learned carpentry in my last path and now I’m suddenly dead” 😂
Don’t forget the plumber 😂
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but currently Warboss in Mega Armor can only join a Mega Nobz unit.
im also confused on how he has 4 plus feel no pain, Dead Ard only gives that until start of next battle round
Found the enhancement :)
Murphy with his massive chopper! Hopefully slay many Eldar!
My first time actually seeing the infamous Murphy......Waaaaaagh!!!! Very cool.
Some xenos vs xenos action is always a pleasant surprise.
I feel like if a vehicle dies from a hazardous roll it should auto deadly demise. Will not happen that often, but feels fluffy
Dice tell stories. Well played Winters. Thanks for sharing the report.
Always happy to see the Orks on the channel. That bone color on black looks great on the Eldar too
That final charge at the end, you had 1cp from trading in the secondary. you had a chance for a re-roll the dream was still aliveeee!
Their Mean, Their Green, this is going to be obscene ..... Waaaaaaagh!!!!!!!
Once I saw 10th edition Eldar going first I thought it would be a wash buuuuuut this turned into a good match!!!
Ah fantastic and Orc battle report, my favourite
Wow, a Heathage joined the game!!! Welcome back dude.
It’s been way too long :)
winters, your ability to roll sixes in the most unpleasent moments of the game is astonishing
Murphy is back! I still remember his first appearance in a narrative game years ago - to which he was swiftly permakilled via exterminatus to never revive - was both tragic and hilarious
Great to see him finally reincarnated
"Mushroom beers"; Eldar carpentry! winters narrative touches are on fire, love it.
Great game! It was nice to see the Orks vs Eldar. Some great rolls and a close game as well!
I wouldnt worry about the mek guns looking different, were on about orks, they bodge anything together to make stuff work, thats the best thing about orks.
That Morkanaut went out in absolute style.
What a match up!
You can only put a normal warboss with a nobz squad dude, mega armour boss can only go In with mega nobz
I would like to request that your sponsors for mats etc also be included in the video description for easy reference. Love this ork terrain
They don't sponsor me. I'm just shouting them out because people might be interested.
Thank you for the wonderful brep!! ❤ Wagggghhhh.
Sometimes I get a little 40k burnout then I watch winters and remember...its lots of fun.
Hugs
Just a small point, but twin shuriken catapults only have two shots, not 4.
How does he have 2 CP for fire and fade first turn withouht the autarch wayleaper?
Murphy’s Waaagh is a classy bunch.
"D-Cannon strength? 14....That's a Big D" 🤣🤣
WAAAAAAAGH ELDRAD
You can't use Fate Dice for number of shots. Great match up though 👍🏻
You know there’s something deeply unsettling and alien about using different coloured dice like this. Typical pointy ears!
Orks vs Eldar, a classic matchup!
Unless it was FAQ it says you have to use the fate dice before you roll. There is unparalleled foresight where you can reroll 1 dice after the fact.
Winters , warbikers have twinlinked as Well as extra AP on half range.
Gotta say that Kromlech scenery is propa orky.
Nice video winters, just a note the shoot back ability has been change in the last east errata so it only activates on shooting atks not melee atks 👍
I also notice they have lost the pistol keyword
Its good to see a more balanced eldar list, but even then it was brutal! Just so Heathage knows Wraithguard have been nerfed not to have the pistol keyword anymore, its on their online index cards.
Cheers Winters
Well played boys.
He said level 4 paint job at the start, where could i see this level system?
Den of Imagination, i believe
@@jamie210690 ty
Love to see sisters of battle again, titans, salamander etc. But great video winters.
Epic match! Loved it
Mash up dem knife ears good
1s used to be ok because of morale but the battle shock mechanic means 1s are worthless all the time now.
Comments for the algorithm throne!
Eldar do not taste like Skittles, they taste like fruity bubblegum.
Whenever you hear somebody explain all the Eldar rules, you really do see how much these index/codex rules are designed separately with different ideas of what the edition is supposed to be balanced as.
Turn 1 Waagh, rather risky maneuver, since it limits how many Eldar you can krump for the feel no pain.
Still don't get why some secondaries are allowed to be scored before the end of Round 1 if you go first, given the opponent had no way to deny you getting those points.
Seesh took some rather poor rolling here from the Eldar and the Ork to make some improbable saves for the Ork to stay in this.
Murphy unfortunately is not allowed in his Nob Mob anymore...
At 27min mark, did the vehicle have cover because of your orcs sitting in front of it?
GW, "10th edition will have fewer rerolls..." LOL, nope.
Did you always roll for the battle shock tests? The fire prism on one wound could have failed it twice on the marker, so the guardians and Warlock, who fell back (and could have had to make a desperate breakout test then).. anyways, I always love to watch your reports, thank you.
I check out other battle rep channels all the time and Winters you've got the best angles, best shots, best explanation, commentary, and pacing. You ruined the other channels for me.
Sorry about that
Great game!
Great to see a non Imperial game. Great stuff lads!
I feel like the only thing needed to bring Eldar into non-oppressive and unfun territory it to change the detachment rule. What puts them over the top is the combination of fate dice AND every unit being able to reroll a hit AND a wound. Without the rerolls, those fate dice become a precious tactical resource that you have to split offensively as well as defensively. As it stands they are simply hitting everything way above average AND can autohit/wound AND can auto pass saves. Thematically fate dice are a cool concept, but logically if "fate" is the theme, they should be the ONLY form of dice manipulation Eldar get, no rerolls anywhere in the army. That is fate. Fate dice should REPLACE any kind of reroll for the army. Have it be the unique flavorful mechanic that makes this army stand out and play differently than the other factions. I'd even say they should lose access to command point rerolls. Then fate dice not only are balanced and thematic, but it makes their use truly a limited resource and tactical consideration that has to be used wisely, instead of the "ok I guess I'll just autopass every roll that matters because I can reroll everything else anyway" mentality as it currently stands. It's a dice game where currently one faction basically never has to keep the dice they roll, which just feels bad for everyone involved.
Fun game lads
Deathwatch drop pods descend from the skies... What's goin on here then??
Anything that manipulates dice rolls really feels like it breaks the core idea of tabletop wargaming. Re rolls are one thing but any mechanic that allows you to simply choose a number doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game.
SUNDAY!!!!!
Can't believe this guy actually tried to defend Eldar rules lmao.
Warboss in mega armour cant lead Nobz, great battle report nonetheless!
I'm a long time supporter of Winters but it's a bit annoying to see so many Eldar mistakes. Yes I know Heathage is new to the faction in 10th. Maybe should have played a few practice games first?
- You can't use SoF dice when rolling for number of shots
- Unparalleled Foresight applies to both shooting and fighting
- Wraithguard were nerfed and lost Pistol ability
- Twin linked shuriken catapults are only 2 shots in 10th edition
- Forgot twin-linked re-rolls multiple times
- Shuriken cannon have Sustained Hits 1
Alot of points thrown away for 5vp....
Edit- actually 0vp cause assassinate got vp in return....oof
How is a warboss in mega armor leading a group of nobz ??😐
To any 'Umie he shouldn't be, but Mad Murphy doesn't care about the rules!
CAUSE 'EEZ DA BOSS, YA ZOGGING GIT!!
Smash. Next.
So good to see the loveliest faction (Super Space Elves) back on the channel. Go go go
hello!
I hate how orc rules only work if you roar WAAGH... oh and everyone HATE eldars :D
If you are playing orks and you aren't yelling "WAAAAGH!!!" whether you need to or not, you aren't playing orks right😂
Also be sure to check out pancreasnowork and see all the eldar lovers 😉
Allegedly, Farseer Winters is a thing as well! Jamedrad Ulthwinters. Edit: EXCELLENT! There is ACTUALLY a Farseer Winters in the video.
I'm laughing so much through the Eldar army overview. Strength what? Sorry?
gg
All that Eldar bullshittery... looks like a lot of NPE to me. And quite honestly makes it pretty annoying to watch as well...
I agree. I see eldar vs. anything in a batrep, I skip to the end first to see the score and model disparity before I watch the video. I usually end up not watching.
Has to be the worst first battle round of any eldar player ever! Then again, he only learned the rules the other day. Phantasm would have been very helpful, or just not overcomitting against a powerful melee army.
Loving the Winters salt!! Eldar, like all factions are having their day. But it will get balanced out. I just love that SMs get free guide and doom in 10th, and desolators which are basically better dark reapers from 9th, and for all those guns and flexibilities they still get upset by terminator equivalents that can’t run in units of 10 or deep strike. Hahaha Eldar hate is real, and as a life long Eldar collector I’d be lying if I didn’t say I’m enjoying it just a little lol!
But yes, Eldar are not balanced atm… I’ve actually put mine away - onto necrons!
GW has destroyed this game
Nah, they are just being a business and doing what so many other table top games are doing and what many video games are trying to do.
If you have a lot of hype or a big fan base, You sell a broken game or a broken updates so that you can later sell "fixes" and "balancing measures" and so forth.
Think about it, if you had a perfectly balanced game or a game that worked, there wouldn't be any need for it's players to buy anything else.
Ppl been saying that since the lates 90s
Honestly, that guy shouldn't be allowed back. Who brings the cheesiest meta list to a friendly game? He just googled the meta and brought that. Super lame battle report.
Ork vs eldar is such a classic matchup. From the hate between orks and elves in Tolkien to the 40k lore of the old ones making both and the eldar hunting orks and on and on.
It just FEELS right, you know?
Still the best battle reports on pootube. Great game
Is the deffkilla a character in 10th?
yes, the Deffkilla Wartrike is a Character Leader unit that can be attached to Warbiker units in games of Warhammer 40k 10th Edition.