Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense. Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
In 20 plus years of commercial and residential construction, no one ever mentioned to place twelve nails at each side of a break. Not even a single engineer. I also went to a technical architectural school, never saw this detail. This only in California? Crazy in my opinion. I always directed my guys to line up plate nails directly over studs or other framing members. Interesting! Thank you!
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense. Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
@@clayton5584 Gun nail have a small core. That does not affect the wood quality. But you should never put nail as close as 2"C/C appart. This is the limit when you don't use a metal connector. And you're nail should be in a 15 to 30 degre angle.
Anyone on here ever try to pull apart two 2x4’s with 3-4 modern framing nails in it? You should try. Then you will realize how ridiculous 24 nails in a break is. Honestly, it probably weakens the board material.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
They're often out of the budget, but companies like Simpson make great hardware for plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys. Hardware to reinforce areas where they have to butcher structure.
@@Carpenters_Canvas Depends on your area, these kinds of things are not uncommon in areas where earthquakes/hurricanes/natural disaster have hit and the local code enforcement overreacts and invites reengineering for future disaster mitigation.
@@chucklindenberg1093 makes sense . But I would think all of those nails in that one area would weaken the wood, especially being as it’s right on the end , I would think some sort of screw system with a bracket would be better . Like a flat hurricane clip type deal . Just like we use to tie plywood and framing together from one floor to the next .
Nope I usually put four twelves on each side. I mean you can't put twelve nails on the overlap of top plates in the corners so why on a straight run. Sure as hell can't fit that many in 3 1/2 inch space
No we don’t. I normally put 3-4 on each side. This is absurd and never done in real life. 🤪 People should try this in your garage. Nail 24 times like shown and you material will disintegrate. Where is the top plate expected to go? Slide off the wall? Roof system will hold the top plate down. Geeze
Most trades dont care about the others that follow. That goes for Framing, too many studs and nails where its not required. Electricians and plumbers that butcher what ever framing or material is in their way. Dry wall finishers who leave 1 inch of mud for you to clean before you can put on baseboard.
Thanks for trying my man. But getting framers to not put nails on or as close to possible to studs is almost impossible. Old school framers, carpenter's,knew this but not today. I have to spend way to much money on augers ( hole hogs). They don't care. Time is money. I am a plumber by the way!!
I always nail over studs. and make the breaks over studs. never seen anyone put 12 nails per side of a break, do they do croners that way too? never break 48" or closer unless there is no other way but generally there is a way to avoid that. generally it is a staggered one nail per stud upper top plate with 2 nails at the brake per side. but im in the midwest so we tend to try and use common sense. just try to remember the 7 P's, Seven Ps of Planning: Proper Planning and Procedure Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
There wouldn't be so many issues if trades would work together .when I did layout on framing I tried to avoid extra work by laying out tub walls with stud bay 15" in center of shower and tub walls. No joist in this area.. Toilet 12" off walls. You can tell if a framer is good by how much framing gets removed by plumbers and hvav.
Greg Awesome video, this helps alot explain things! I would just like to confirm from the video as you explain it is ok to cut out small holes in the cap and top plates for plumbing and electrical for example 1.5" on exterior walls that made with 2x6 studs or even also load bearing walls made of 2x4 studs ok to cut 1.5" for plumbing and or electrical? I do understand that the location of where the actual cut out is important and to secure the top plates making sure its away from the breaks and away from the nails. But if I needed to say for example make 2 or 3 holes of 1.5" for electrical or plumbing along the same top plates but spaced out about 5 or 6 feet from each other is that also ok? Meaning non of the holes will compromise the structural integrity of that framing correct?
@@andrewpast1959 it depends. For roof drains I have to drill 3 to 4 inch holes and use the new hole hawg milwaukee hole saw bit augers don't work that well
In cold climates you would not put a vent pipe in the outer wall. It ruins the vapor barrier and insulation system. Plus it would likely freeze up since it is outside the wall insulation.
Amish are hacks. Probably ok for throwing up a pole barn but their work is ruff very ruff. They undercut others bids by using child labor and doing poor work
Your video expresses common sense and common courtesy. Way too many people and tradesmen don't utilize those characteristics. For the most part you might as well be talking to the wall.
There’s construction adhesives that are comparable to nails in fastening strength, no? Why doesn’t the code encourage its use for breaks instead? Would solve the utilities dilemma.
Particularly since this is about shear strength, not peel strength--ideal adhesive use case. (I admit, though, I have no experience with needing to do this.)
6:30 Wouldn’t framing need to be inspected to be able to get paid by the financial company before continuing on to plumbing ? Also, 5:17 Is this wrong construction method the reason; we see new collapsed homes/framing jobs around on instagram and internet in general? They scab and piece walls from short length boards and don’t nail down the joints properly?
You would obviously need to check with the financial company to verify which inspections would be needed before payment. As far as the wrong construction method for the wall framing top plates, feel free to email me some pictures and I'd be glad to offer an opinion or provide me with more details.
Let's put 24 16 penny nails on each side of a break and put so many penetrations in a small section of wood that it compromises the strength of the structure.
Novice builder here. I need to attach (2) 2 x 4s to create a double top plate. The engineer requests 16d nails. But if I do that, the nail will go through the other end of the would being that it's 3 1/2 long. What am I missing?
@@gregvancom thanks for the reply. I've also struggled to find what framing gun nail is comparable to a 16d nail. Is it just about matching the length?
Who cares. That may be true but there’s no reason not to frame it better, or “correctly”. This is how it was done long ago. Before people decided they knew it all before they were properly experienced and educated.
@@mitchjones2821 Tradesmen frequenly find need for cutting tools that have 0 issue going through nails. Needs for such things have nothing to do with planning ahead or experience. In 2020, hole saws with carbide teeth are normal things to have. Carpenters, electricians, plumbers, HVAC installers, all have needs ro make holes in nail embedded wood from time to time.
@@aredditor4272 I got 2 full sets up to 6” of milwaukee big Hawg carb. Holes saws and Diablo’s full set of carb. bi-metal hole saws. I get the necessity, helps me do my job correctly. No excuse for other half ass taught hacks to not do theirs.
I've never heard of using double top plates for interior partition framing. Double top plates are only required when your floor joist or roof joist doesn't land on top of a stud. The double top plate allows the roof joist or floor joist to land anywhere on the top plate. Seems like that many nails in a top plate is going to ruin the structural integrity of the wood.
Ive framed hundreds of houses. Always use double top plate! If your just adding a wall in a house only 1 plate if it's not load bearing. I can't imagine having single plate on interior walls which would in turn require different length studs. Especially when you use triple plate technique.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense. Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense. Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
perfect example of a carpenter that is or isnt on his job. some of this is taught on the job in week one. but in the end the framer doesnt get the respect deserved. here in Mich. we dont have that 12 nail code.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
For those of you who are scoffing at 12 nails, keep in mind, the author works in California. You folks obviously have never witness first hand the destruction from an earthquake
@@PP-uv1kw that was humor, little buddy. But still correct. But welding isn't always the trick either. Screws or rivets are also widely used. The girders that get welded are more comparable to timber framing, than the stud framing shown. Metal studs, comparable to what was shown here, would normally be screwed together. ...and as I stated... no midspan nails.
I'm not a structural engineer, but have talked to them about it and it's a method used to create stronger lateral connections in the upper wall framing.
@@rd-ch1on You have the same attitude as the rest of the Lupe's that frame the house I work on. Thats why I buy the extra large pack on Sawzall blades.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
I have never seen anyone place 12 nails on each side of a wall plate break!!! Never in all my 45 years ! And I've seen alot of homes being built and never have I seen such a waste of time and materials!!!!!!!!
Been framing houses 40 years. Nevert heard of that many nails. I n fact that man might split the lumber and weaken it. Five nails each side mac. Anytime your using straps it's cause something is weakened mm m
Yes I believe I already suggested a few things you mentioned, but you also left out the high probability that the people who came up with this idea might've tested it and wouldn't be doing it if it didn't somehow provide benefits to the structure.
Sorry, this has to be wrong. Way too many nails. The top plate is to resist sagging from loads above, not side twisting. If you align the upper studs with the lower, I do not think a double plate is required. Just nail over the studs, problem solved.
You don't know what you're talkin about never seen nails like if you put that many nails in a piece of wood it will compromise the Integrity of the product in other words it will screw it up get real
I hope this helps, but I totally understand if it doesn't. Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense. Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
I really do not understand how plumbers, electricians and all other trades just talk with architect and discuss where these penetrations are and simply prevent them. It's really not that hard. Just stupid and lazy people.
So now we are going to build to comadate for elect and plumbers lol You must be a plumber or elect run your shit under ground and there will be no issue or there will be a MEP chase on drawing
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
CA has more stringent requirements due to seismic issues. I have relocated to the east coast and their builds here wouldn't pass muster in CA.
California most definetly the key word here jajahaj lots of differences in california.
Perhaps you could cite the applicable code
In 20 plus years of commercial and residential construction, no one ever mentioned to place twelve nails at each side of a break. Not even a single engineer. I also went to a technical architectural school, never saw this detail. This only in California? Crazy in my opinion.
I always directed my guys to line up plate nails directly over studs or other framing members. Interesting! Thank you!
Here's another video about whether or not you need 12 or 2 nails on each side of the plate breaks.
th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
CA has seismic concerns. Lots of special requirements. I've lived through a few crushing tremblors. Newer builds fare better.
framed hundreds of houses.....never heard of 12 nails on each side of a lap or brake . i have always nailed top plates above studs .
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
I'm sure it's a California thing.
Never heard of it either. That many nails that close together is just going to split the wood as it expands and contracts over time
I was thinking the same thing!!! Never ever
@@clayton5584 Gun nail have a small core. That does not affect the wood quality. But you should never put nail as close as 2"C/C appart. This is the limit when you don't use a metal connector. And you're nail should be in a 15 to 30 degre angle.
Anyone on here ever try to pull apart two 2x4’s with 3-4 modern framing nails in it?
You should try. Then you will realize how ridiculous 24 nails in a break is. Honestly, it probably weakens the board material.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
His point with straps is valid. But at least you can see them from the top
They're often out of the budget, but companies like Simpson make great hardware for plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys. Hardware to reinforce areas where they have to butcher structure.
Can you offer a website to show example? Also it's safe structurally to cut out small example: 1.5" holes in top plates as structurally speaking?
Wow 12 nails!
I'm sure they're drawn that way, but I doubt many carpenters actually pop 24 nails in a two foot area. Maybe I'm wrong.
Nope never had and never will , that’s insane .
@@Carpenters_Canvas Depends on your area, these kinds of things are not uncommon in areas where earthquakes/hurricanes/natural disaster have hit and the local code enforcement overreacts and invites reengineering for future disaster mitigation.
@@chucklindenberg1093 makes sense . But I would think all of those nails in that one area would weaken the wood, especially being as it’s right on the end , I would think some sort of screw system with a bracket would be better . Like a flat hurricane clip type deal . Just like we use to tie plywood and framing together from one floor to the next .
Nope I usually put four twelves on each side. I mean you can't put twelve nails on the overlap of top plates in the corners so why on a straight run. Sure as hell can't fit that many in 3 1/2 inch space
No we don’t. I normally put 3-4 on each side. This is absurd and never done in real life. 🤪
People should try this in your garage.
Nail 24 times like shown and you material will disintegrate. Where is the top plate expected to go? Slide off the wall? Roof system will hold the top plate down. Geeze
Love the pictures and ideas 💡 how about a round, radius wall . Layout and design thanks the, plumber
@@asherdie
Ok 👌, just an idea about the round will. Lol
Most trades dont care about the others that follow. That goes for Framing, too many studs and nails where its not required. Electricians and plumbers that butcher what ever framing or material is in their way. Dry wall finishers who leave 1 inch of mud for you to clean before you can put on baseboard.
Yea its hard to get 3 to 4 inch pvc up thru framing without tearing a bunch of things out.
Nails destroys our hole hog drill bits. Never fails we always find the nails. The boss loves it...
Thanks for trying my man. But getting framers to not put nails on or as close to possible to studs is almost impossible. Old school framers, carpenter's,knew this but not today. I have to spend way to much money on augers ( hole hogs). They don't care. Time is money. I am a plumber by the way!!
I always nail over studs. I definitely try to help plumbers and electricians. Now sheatrock guys are crybabies so I don't help them much haha
Here's another video about whether or not you need 12 or 2 nails on each side of the plate breaks.
th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
I always nail over studs. and make the breaks over studs. never seen anyone put 12 nails per side of a break, do they do croners that way too? never break 48" or closer unless there is no other way but generally there is a way to avoid that. generally it is a staggered one nail per stud upper top plate with 2 nails at the brake per side. but im in the midwest so we tend to try and use common sense.
just try to remember the 7 P's, Seven Ps of Planning: Proper Planning and Procedure Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
@@davegordon6943
You have a brain.
It’s simple.
There wouldn't be so many issues if trades would work together .when I did layout on framing I tried to avoid extra work by laying out tub walls with stud bay 15" in center of shower and tub walls. No joist in this area.. Toilet 12" off walls. You can tell if a framer is good by how much framing gets removed by plumbers and hvav.
6:45 This tip is no longer concerned with breaks but has to do with general plate nailing practices, yes?
How do you attach plywood sheathing with a 48” strap on framing lumber?
Very careful 😉
I will run away from a 48” strap-on every time!
Liquid nails my dude
@@antred4597 47" and under and your good with that?
Greg Awesome video, this helps alot explain things! I would just like to confirm from the video as you explain it is ok to cut out small holes in the cap and top plates for plumbing and electrical for example 1.5" on exterior walls that made with 2x6 studs or even also load bearing walls made of 2x4 studs ok to cut 1.5" for plumbing and or electrical? I do understand that the location of where the actual cut out is important and to secure the top plates making sure its away from the breaks and away from the nails. But if I needed to say for example make 2 or 3 holes of 1.5" for electrical or plumbing along the same top plates but spaced out about 5 or 6 feet from each other is that also ok? Meaning non of the holes will compromise the structural integrity of that framing correct?
Good advice! How many $30 2" augers have I twisted in two on nails? Oh and nearly broke my arm.
I lost two 16" Irwin speed bore augers in one hickory tree in one afternoon. Long story, but $50 later, I felt really dumb.
I got a bad Chin because of this
Do circle hole saws not work. Or would it not stand up to repeated use?
@@andrewpast1959 it depends. For roof drains I have to drill 3 to 4 inch holes and use the new hole hawg milwaukee hole saw bit augers don't work that well
@@harrellbright1275 if you have a bad chin you arw holding the hole hawg wrong
Excellent tip, Greg.
Glad it was helpful!
In cold climates you would not put a vent pipe in the outer wall. It ruins the vapor barrier and insulation system. Plus it would likely freeze up since it is outside the wall insulation.
I'd like to see how many nails you say are required for corners overlapping.
2 into the top plate and through the bottom top plate.
Awesome Information 👌
They need to show this to Amish carpenters. I can't tell you how many times I twisted my arm or have been thrown off a ladder trying to route wires.
Its really hard making their vehicles pass some new smog laws too.
Amish are hacks. Probably ok for throwing up a pole barn but their work is ruff very ruff. They undercut others bids by using child labor and doing poor work
Too many regulations! I know they are in place for a reason. Thank you Greg.
You bet
Your video expresses common sense and common courtesy. Way too many people and tradesmen don't utilize those characteristics. For the most part you might as well be talking to the wall.
True, but let's be hopeful.
Great video
Thanks for the visit
Great fireproofing
😁😂
There’s construction adhesives that are comparable to nails in fastening strength, no? Why doesn’t the code encourage its use for breaks instead? Would solve the utilities dilemma.
Particularly since this is about shear strength, not peel strength--ideal adhesive use case. (I admit, though, I have no experience with needing to do this.)
6:30 Wouldn’t framing need to be inspected to be able to get paid by the financial company before continuing on to plumbing ?
Also, 5:17 Is this wrong construction method the reason; we see new collapsed homes/framing jobs around on instagram and internet in general? They scab and piece walls from short length boards and don’t nail down the joints properly?
You would obviously need to check with the financial company to verify which inspections would be needed before payment. As far as the wrong construction method for the wall framing top plates, feel free to email me some pictures and I'd be glad to offer an opinion or provide me with more details.
Let's put 24 16 penny nails on each side of a break and put so many penetrations in a small section of wood that it compromises the strength of the structure.
Instead of nails are there any advantages of using wood screws (e.g., perhaps one can use fewer fasteners/nails)?
Very interesting.
I think so too!
Could you put this in Spanish so the real framers can learn how to do this.
Lmao
True enough
😂
@Tilc Rekcil There was a hint of sarcasm in my statement!!
Ahhahaha
do you have anything on glulam arches? and or footings under vaulted (2-3story tall) arches
I have three tooth hole saw bits, a nail puller, and a hammer. We'll get our pipes in there
Maybe a nail cutting auger drill bit also.
Novice builder here. I need to attach (2) 2 x 4s to create a double top plate. The engineer requests 16d nails. But if I do that, the nail will go through the other end of the would being that it's 3 1/2 long. What am I missing?
Nothing, it's common to see nails sticking through the framing.
@@gregvancom thanks for the reply. I've also struggled to find what framing gun nail is comparable to a 16d nail. Is it just about matching the length?
Carbide tipped hole saws that have 0 issues going through nails are normal these days.
Who cares. That may be true but there’s no reason not to frame it better, or “correctly”. This is how it was done long ago. Before people decided they knew it all before they were properly experienced and educated.
@@mitchjones2821 Tradesmen frequenly find need for cutting tools that have 0 issue going through nails.
Needs for such things have nothing to do with planning ahead or experience.
In 2020, hole saws with carbide teeth are normal things to have.
Carpenters, electricians, plumbers, HVAC installers, all have needs ro make holes in nail embedded wood from time to time.
@@aredditor4272 I got 2 full sets up to 6” of milwaukee big Hawg carb. Holes saws and Diablo’s full set of carb. bi-metal hole saws. I get the necessity, helps me do my job correctly. No excuse for other half ass taught hacks to not do theirs.
I've never heard of using double top plates for interior partition framing. Double top plates are only required when your floor joist or roof joist doesn't land on top of a stud. The double top plate allows the roof joist or floor joist to land anywhere on the top plate. Seems like that many nails in a top plate is going to ruin the structural integrity of the wood.
Ive framed hundreds of houses. Always use double top plate! If your just adding a wall in a house only 1 plate if it's not load bearing. I can't imagine having single plate on interior walls which would in turn require different length studs. Especially when you use triple plate technique.
Yeah you've got to keep the same height for all your walls why would you change to a single plate and then have to change your stud size that's crazy
In 30 years I've never heard this 12 nails on each side of plate break just two nails at ends and two over each stud two on each side of the break
Me too. Been in the trades since 91 and never heard of this shit.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
I think a lot of these nailing patterns are for earthquake areas
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
What area in North America requires 12 nails on both sides of a cut top plate ?
Crazyfornia
perfect example of a carpenter that is or isnt on his job. some of this is taught on the job in week one. but in the end the framer doesnt get the respect deserved.
here in Mich. we dont have that 12 nail code.
Thanks for sharing about the 12 inch nailing in Michigan.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Here's another video about whether or not you need 12 or 2 nails on each side of the plate breaks.
th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
Why so many nails required? Can't find any other recommendation to put 12 nails in one spot.
I had to look it up in the irc. But it’s in there R602.3(1) item # 13.
Inspectors ain't looking at nail patterns on top plates
for a cup of fresh hot coffee...sign here. 🙄
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
@@gregvancom I believe the high nail counts is for wall horizontal shear strength in earthquake-prone states.
IRC 2015 R602.3.2 Joints in plates need not occur over studs.
Is this a statement or if not phrase it as a question.
What if you use glue? Does that effect how many nails you need?
I'm not involved in any testing, but think a strong adhesive could make a difference.
For those of you who are scoffing at 12 nails, keep in mind, the author works in California. You folks obviously have never witness first hand the destruction from an earthquake
Yes, We do it in California.
Lets start with having your top plate break over the center of the stud. How bout that?
Sadly, none of the framers I work with give a FK. You should see where they put a stud in the fixture wall of a tub/shower. Amateurs.
Experience and caring about the finished product is a big part of what most people consider to be quality workmanship.
How does this apply to metal framing?
Follow the same rules. Don't put nails at the breaks. Since you're not using nails, this ought to be fairly easy.
youadumi....weld metal frames
@@PP-uv1kw that was humor, little buddy. But still correct.
But welding isn't always the trick either. Screws or rivets are also widely used. The girders that get welded are more comparable to timber framing, than the stud framing shown. Metal studs, comparable to what was shown here, would normally be screwed together.
...and as I stated... no midspan nails.
@@ChristnThms yummy,the sweet taste of welding galvanized steel.
@@jennifurzoe1302 I know. Right? Best way to start the day, coffee and zinc fumes.
What’s the purpose of this 12 nails again?
I'm not a structural engineer, but have talked to them about it and it's a method used to create stronger lateral connections in the upper wall framing.
I call it Swiss cheesing the wood.
Yes, heard that before.
Plumbers and Electricians Absolutely hate break nailing. Damages a lot of auger bits!!
I care as much for plumbers and electricians as they do for me...the carpenter/framer
You just build that house around my pipe.
@@rd-ch1on You have the same attitude as the rest of the Lupe's that frame the house I work on. Thats why I buy the extra large pack on Sawzall blades.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
@@gregvancom Key word: SHOULD!!
Not under the NBCC
Plumbers try not to drill vent holes in the exterior walls anyway.
Nope just roof drains that are 3 to 4 inches
I have never seen anyone place 12 nails on each side of a wall plate break!!! Never in all my 45 years ! And I've seen alot of homes being built and never have I seen such a waste of time and materials!!!!!!!!
We just put 2 nails if 2x4 or 3 nails if 2x6 at the joint and on top of every wall stud.
Been framing houses 40 years. Nevert heard of that many nails. I n fact that man might split the lumber and weaken it. Five nails each side mac. Anytime your using straps it's cause something is weakened mm m
Yes I believe I already suggested a few things you mentioned, but you also left out the high probability that the people who came up with this idea might've tested it and wouldn't be doing it if it didn't somehow provide benefits to the structure.
My god!!!
Just always break and nail over studs!!
Bone head simple.
And always stack frame.
Ftlog.
Just brake joints over top of studs nail over top of studs whos braking joints in the middle of two studs
Lol. Waw waw. Awe they are Surprised when they know the codes
How about just nail at every stud!
Lions do not concern themselves with the musings of sheep....
Just build your houses with bricks and then they don’t blow away or burn down 🇬🇧
Yes, but can fall down during strong winds and earthquakes:)
Ever heard of an gang nail plate
Sorry, this has to be wrong. Way too many nails. The top plate is to resist sagging from loads above, not side twisting. If you align the upper studs with the lower, I do not think a double plate is required. Just nail over the studs, problem solved.
You don't know what you're talkin about never seen nails like if you put that many nails in a piece of wood it will compromise the Integrity of the product in other words it will screw it up get real
I hope this helps, but I totally understand if it doesn't.
Please Note: I've got a couple of complaints about the whether or not you need 12 nails on each side of the framing plate breaks and would suggest checking with your local building authorities to verify this is a requirement. I've been doing it since the late 1990's in Southern California. However the main points in the videos about plate break locations and nailing to avoid plumbing and electrical holes should make sense.
Here's a video that will provide more information on top plate framing and the 12 nails. th-cam.com/video/Wt-4tZKyUYk/w-d-xo.html
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Nail fetish?
Yeahhhhhhhh
Electricians and plumbers are lazy and they are a contractor nightmare
I really do not understand how plumbers, electricians and all other trades just talk with architect and discuss where these penetrations are and simply prevent them. It's really not that hard. Just stupid and lazy people.
So now we are going to build to comadate for elect and plumbers lol
You must be a plumber or elect run your shit under ground and there will be no issue or there will be a MEP chase on drawing
Quit your flipping whining and get to work.