Yet you watched basically the entire video before he said that! I'm pretty sure he had you with the thumbnail. Under Dunn is now always tapped on when it shows in my feed. :)
He has absolutely no idea how happy his editing makes me, the content is good but generally inapplicable to me, but boy do I love watching it. His general mood is so fun to me.
What about the helical blades that are alternate in style but not spiral? Like on the WEN JT833H 10-Amp 8-Inch Spiral Benchtop Jointer with Extendable Table?
I feel as if we need to start a Direct Tools Outlet Support Group, where we spend uncomfortable amounts of money on discount tools and ourselves feel better about doing so.
@@shugthehornyhaggis jo, Zulassungsstelle. Die Statistiken kann man sich frei herunterladen. Und man sollte auch bedenken, dass a) trabbis nicht oft auf der Autobahn und b) insgesamt nicht viel bewegt werden. Aber zugelassen ist auch nicht gleich gefahren.
I've been on the fence about changing the cutter head in mine. It's a good machine, and the right size for my workshop. Thanks for the info, watching this just cost me $350. But it's going to be well worth it.
I could care less about what this video is about, I’m just here cause this man has me in tears from laughter every time I watch a video. The way he edits it with quick cuts is just stellar!! This needs to be a series on some sort of home network!!
I hadn't realized post-production helical cutter heads were a thing. I might have to look into upgrading my planer. Now that one was a deal - due to a bar code error and an inattentive/unknowledgeable worker at Menards, I got it brand new for $10.
Or the worker new full well what was going on but just couldn't care less or even better could just go with the "oh I just scanned the part it said it was $10 so I got the $10 from the customer and sent them on their way I have no idea what a helical cutter head is". Which seems far more likely to me and what's Menards going to do about it I can't expect their employees to know what things are and how much it should approximately cost
One thing to keep in mind, just because they come out of the same factory doesn't mean they're the same. Motors, bearings, blades, etc. can be easily changed for different production runs, other parts can be binned so the nicest ones go into the most expensive and the worst (but still usable) ones go into the cheapest, and how much effort is put into quality control can change. Are they actually actually going through the effort of doing all that? Who knows... I'd still buy the cheapest one though lol
Many foreign factories don't bother stocking more than one set of parts. Even if it is the cheapest thing and somehow does manage to be built worse than the thing right next to it on the production line, his $400 savings will cover any shot bearings plenty of times over - Or just once if he does the right thing of getting nice quality ones immediately and still ends up with an amazing deal.
Not to mention the motor is probably not the same. You get what you pay for. More money has been wasted trying to save money by buying cheap. It always ends up costing more than buying the right thing the first time.
@@tarstarkusz He didn't buy some cheap brandless knockoff that'll break in a month, he bought a fine product. That's exactly where the best value for money is. If you just go for the expensive brands you end up paying a lot just for brand recognition. Take cars for example. Buy the cheapest car you can find and you'll be paying through the nose for repairs, but that doesn't mean you should go and buy a Tesla or something if you want the best value for your money.
@@Huntracony I completely disagree. Commercial equipment is on a whole different level than consumer equipment. I kind of agree that if you are in the consumer market with only occasional light use, something like what he has might be OK and possibly even the best bang for buck. Paying for a brand with machinery is not like with clothes. You are paying for the reputation and the after sales service, parts availability You are not paying for a label, you are paying for what that label represents. The real weak point of most consumer equipment is duty cycle. This thing probably has a 5-10% duty cycle.
@@tarstarkusz Well, it's a six inch jointer, which pretty much screams "hobby shop, light use". A pro shop that needs commercial equipment would probably have at least an 8 inch jointer.
CMT has some orange tools as well, one spindle router head would cost the same or triple than your scrap metal jointer. BTW it's never the colour, it's more the quality and the brand, the last should be the price tag. That jointer way struggling with a piece of pine, because the motor is under powered. Even with the hellix will not do a proper job on hardwood.
It's called a jointer, because it's main purpose is ensuring the mating surfaces of two boards glued edge to edge (flat), to make a larger board, have no gaps. Thus they are jointed. Plus, jointer is short for jointer planer.
Picked up a ridgid jointer last week on craigslist for $300. It came with a rolling tool base and was practically new. Really want some helical heads for this and my planer. Shcoked to learn that the tools are the same as powermatic/grizzly and others. Sounds like it should be a good little tool for a long time. Also, quick update, retail at Home Depot is now $799 so close to $900 after tax now.
Recently found direct tools myself, bought a "factory blemished" portable wet/dry vacuum that was basically perfect. Sadly they don't have a store where I am so it's online orders only. (maybe that's a good thing?)
To anyone watching this in 2023 this compromise and extra hassle no longer makes any sense. The prices have changed dramatically at Home Depot and the cutter heads - which YOU will not be getting for free. The cheap Rigid jointer now clock in at $800 plus an additional $300 for the Shelix version of the spiral cutterhead. The Lux version is another $100 over that. The cutter head price is assuming that you buy no extra replacement knives upfront, always a stupid decision in my opinion, and also assumes that you do not purchase either of the torque wrenches that you need to properly and safely secure the carbide cutters with. You can just use a regular wrench or screwdriver but then you're playing the guessing game of did I tighten down enough or did I tighten it down so hard that I cracked the carbide insert or stripped the hole out. The Grizzly G0452Z comes with a helical cutterhead, a built in mobile base and is now about $1400.00 including the freight shipping. The bare minimum for the Rigid, conversion cutterhead and mobile base (usually $89 - $100) is going to be about $1200.00 before tax and shipping. Realistically you're now going to be very, very close to, if not over, the price of the Grizzly plus freight. I just bought the Grizzly and couldn't be happier.
Great video ... I'm doing this for sure....just a matter of time and money. I love your videos, they're no nonsense and truly genuine. BY THE WAY... you're deliver and flavor is, for me, a cross between Andy Rooney and Stumpy Nubs... of which, somehow Yours is way way better to watch. Keep up the great work!!!!!! (yes, deserving of 5 or 6 exclams)
just for the newbies- "same factory" does not = same quality. All factories provide levels of quality for specific price points. Price points drive the design and manufacturing not competition.
I just want to let you know that every time you say Menards, I chuckle to myself. I feel like it's what a pirate screams when you kick them in the bollocks.
Their jingle is "save big money at menards!" Even in my mid-thirties I still walk around that store singing about my nards. If we're honest, I think we all do.
I wish you had the time to make more videos. I have no idea what you would make videos about, but I love the videos that you do make. I find the information so interesting and actually helpful, and most of the time it's things that I would have never thought of before as doable
Great video! I found that a ton of other tools fit the same profile... lots of brands and colors but all made with the same specs by the same manufacturer. Saw that in spindle sanders and scroll saws too.
I like how he took the time to tell us he wasn’t going to change the jointer color because he’s lazy. It’s details like that that keep me coming back! 😂
"so join me!" LOL! Robert, If I can offer one word of advise, never use a hammer or hammer-like object anywhere within 50 feet of a bearing, doing so can cause "brinelling" of the balls against the races and result in poor performance / premature failure. OK, so that was way more then one word.
There is one argument to be made for the straight knived cutters (I still recommend helical): They have a uniform surface finish. You get some mild but noticeable scalloping with helical cutter heads, but that can be sanded away if it matters (outer surfaces) or ignored if it doesn't (glue lines, inner surfaces). All in all, I'm extremely happy with the cutter I put in my dad's 40 year old powermatic.
A great and informative video also the roller base seems to do a nice job. Just goes to show you don`t always get what you paid for look we have Biden Yuck. lol
First and Foremost, thank you for your effort and research regarding this jointer. I went to Tool Direct and was put on waiting list. Received call today and one had arrived. $499 is price as you stated. But, today was last day of 25% discount. Walked out the door for $375! Came home to rewatch the video to see the stand you purchased and found the link. But, I have a question? The stand will adjust from 12" to 33" but according to Rigid the planer is 45.5" wide. Am I missing something because it looks like some funky math would have to happen to make this base fit?
Time index 3:02. OMG YOU TOOL! TURN THE BIT THE CASTER IS BOLTED TO UPSIDE DOWN (in your case) or to be clear, right side up! Do I also have to tell you to unmount and remount the casters so the round bits aren't facing the ceiling? I have the same bora Mobil mount and its perfect.
This video was fun to watch but it's clearly an advertisement. Fine. But..... I have this same Rigid jointer and I've never had the slightest problem with hardwood chips clogging my dust collection system. Even the softer hardwoods like poplar and mahogany are no problem at all. He digs a handful of pine out of the impeller. Yes pine can be a problem. So if I'm jointing pine I simply slip off the dust port and the chips fall nicely to the floor with absolutely no clogging in the body of the jointer. And they don't scatter at all so cleanup is a breeze. I have a Shop Fox 2hp dust collector and about 30' of 4" hose (not pipe) between it and the jointer. Lot's of times I've neglected to turn on the collector and ran boards through it. When I did turn it on the clump flowed through the hose, the impeller and into the bag nicely. The chip thing would be no justification for me. I've run several thousand board feet of hardwoods across my Rigid 6" which I got over 10 years ago and I'VE NEVER NEEDED TO CHANGE OR SHARPEN THE BLADES!!! I've made hundreds of 5 piece cabinet doors and every single rail and stile was flattened on my trusty Rigid. The HSS blades on the Rigid DON'T SUCK IN ANY WAY. I just finished gluing together 6 fairly large charcuterie boards all flattened on my 10 year old HSS cutters. I've run every domestic hardwood over it and a few exotics. Hard maple, walnut, white and red oak. More European beech than anything else which is a fairly hard species. The blades have some nicks obviously but they slight ridges they create come out with the routine finish sanding. When the time comes I'll make the one time $40 purchase of the magnetic blade alignment jig and a set of blades is only $20. A Byrd is even cheaper than the Lux at $309 which really isn't bad at all but I simply can't justify it.
Funny, you never mention the cost of your labor to convert the jointer!? Certainly depending on your shop rate, and how you value your time, I don't think I am far off estimating another $1000 for time and aggravation. You are being disingenuous here! Shame on you! Thumbs DOWN ! 👎 No subscription. Fail!
So If I understand this correctly the only thing you really did was install a $500 cutter (you got for free) on a $400 jointer, and you claim the cutter made it a little bit better. I have this ridge jointer with the standard blade setup and the system works great! It's a good mid-level jointer. I'm not in a position to pay $5000.00 for a top-of-the-line jointer so I can build a table top every five years. This $600 setup will work for the normal DYI woodworker.
220109 - Price of the Lux is $405.00 Shipped ground. A set of replacement cutter heads will run you another five bucks a piece in lots of ten, twenty, thirty . . . to 100.
Same thing for telescope makers you have your big hot shot brands that everyone goes thats quality but since everyone is working with the same set of physics nothing changes between the mirrors and the housing for them its almost all made out of one factory and some companies with have a 100 200 or even a few thousand dollar mark up were maybe the factory who makes them have a cheaper "knock off" brand with the same exact elements maybe not a flashy paint job and logo but its all the same.
I just looked up that exact Rigid model on Home Depot’s website and it is going for $799. Kind of crazy that it’s almost doubled in price in a little over a year since this video came out.
those bases are nicer if you make with a piece of scrap 3/4 plywood, i only say this because building them this way rather than with the metal erector set stuff gives a shelf when done. i have this jointer and personally like to a bunch of paint cans under it and find the added weight helps make the machine a bit more sturdy when using it.. thanks for the upload your content rocks
So, I got away really cheap by getting a like new 6 inch Craftsman jointer in immaculate condition, for only $75 bucks? The guy j bought it from even put a cool caster upgrade kit on it..
I bought a cheap Porter-Cable benchtop jointer, and I have chips flying out the top no matter what I do. I'm hoping I can upgrade the cutter head. It's very disconcerting to have wood chips bouncing off your face as you joint a board...
although I think you have a very solid theory, something is off. I will say this carefully in case I messed up. I went to what I think is the site you mentioned and every tool I looked at could be found elsewhere for sometimes hundreds less. what gives? I do see that you mention two different places, so is that where I screwed up. I am not a TH-cam D*&khead I appreciate your time, but if you think about it it is time wasted if nothing is gained. I hope it is a simple mistake . thanks again and keep giving your usually spot on content. that's why I subscribed in first place
Sad that there is ONLY ONE orientation for the carbide tips. I would have expected a carbide tip, such as what is used on a lathe, with at least 2 tips available from each carbide blade. Or did I miss something?
Just remember that not all spiral cutter heads are helical cutter heads. That’s why you often see now the use of the term “helical style” cutter head. It’s very misleading since many “helical style” cutter heads have only 1/3 the number of carbide cutters that a true helical cutter head has and they are often only 2 sided HSS cutters and not 4 sided carbide cutters. It’s buyer beware and many companies that sell the “helical style” heads count on people not knowing the difference.
Shop Fox is owned by the same Company as Grizzly but not necessarily built in the same place at all. The Shop Fox are built in their Taiwanese factory that has better QC and more features and most of the Green Grizzly Tools are Chinese. Still pretty good QC for that location but not in the same league at all.
Not a criticism of the video but you should know how much those inserts cost, they can be well over 100 for a pack of ten and that head takes 40. So you will get long life out of them and they are superior for sure, but that replacement bill is going to come with some sticker shock. Also some do not know that if they are just dull you can re-sharpen carbide, or at least find someone that can for you.
400$ 😮 That's the lowest I've seen anywhere! But, none of the top brands offer ANY jointer/planer in India, so my only option is still a hand-held planer mounted upside down. That's only 4", but more than enough for plywood and thin stuff. Come to think of it, if I can jerry-rig 2 of those 4" blades side by side on a custom rotor, that'd be one hell of a cheap 8" jointer 😂😂
Same jointer, some comments about stock setup. No helical cutter upgrade yet. The caster wheel brackets on that mobile base are weird. Are you sure the orange caster mounts were installed correctly? Maybe they were upside down?
Not true on the cast iron bits being the same. There are quality standards set by the companies based on price. That comes to the tolerances of the milling of the dovetail ways to the amount of time the castings are aged to allow for stress relief. In the old days, the best companies would let the castings rest for years until being milled and put into production. I just feel you're doing a disservice to people who don't know better by making unfounded claims like that.
Do you find the jointer 'tippy' on the mobile base? I have the same machine and it's so skinny and top-heavy that it's a bit scary to roll around. Every time a wheel hits a crack or bump on the floor, it wants to tip over sideways. I need to build a wider base and bolt the machine down to it.
Whats the practical difference between a planer and jointer? Seems the "only" difference is that on the planer the cutter head is above the plank and on the jointer it is below the plank, but on the jointer you could plane a big closet or other big wood project so it becomes smooth. Thus you don't need a planer, you only need a jointer, right, because the jointer can do all the jobs a planer can do, and a little bit more? Only thing I can see, is that the planer is much safer to use than a jointer as the cutter head is "hidden" inside it.
I own the Ridgid jointer so I am not being a tool snob but you really should stop saying it is the same machine as the Jet and Powermatic six inch jointers. Quite literally there are no interchangeable parts.
"So join me"
Missed opportunity to say "Joint me"
Hey you forgot about the link belt
You had me at me "It's staying orange because I'm lazy." XD
That is about to become a very frequently used quote in my shop.
Yet you watched basically the entire video before he said that! I'm pretty sure he had you with the thumbnail. Under Dunn is now always tapped on when it shows in my feed. :)
He has absolutely no idea how happy his editing makes me, the content is good but generally inapplicable to me, but boy do I love watching it. His general mood is so fun to me.
What about the helical blades that are alternate in style but not spiral? Like on the WEN JT833H 10-Amp 8-Inch Spiral Benchtop Jointer with Extendable Table?
I feel as if we need to start a Direct Tools Outlet Support Group, where we spend uncomfortable amounts of money on discount tools and ourselves feel better about doing so.
Did you know that there are more Trabants registered in Germany then Telas? Made me think of you when I read that.
@@shugthehornyhaggis 37000 Trabants, 19000 teslas as of 2020. almost double.
that guy is right. also greetings from germany
@@shugthehornyhaggis jo, Zulassungsstelle. Die Statistiken kann man sich frei herunterladen. Und man sollte auch bedenken, dass a) trabbis nicht oft auf der Autobahn und b) insgesamt nicht viel bewegt werden. Aber zugelassen ist auch nicht gleich gefahren.
Registered doesn’t mean roadworthy. js
@@shugthehornyhaggis Bitte! explain what is tüv. This thing is unknown on our side of the Atlantic under that name?? Grüsse aus Kanada!
@@shugthehornyhaggis Similarly, I've seen more Yugos on the road than Tesla's.
I've been on the fence about changing the cutter head in mine. It's a good machine, and the right size for my workshop. Thanks for the info, watching this just cost me $350. But it's going to be well worth it.
I could care less about what this video is about, I’m just here cause this man has me in tears from laughter every time I watch a video. The way he edits it with quick cuts is just stellar!! This needs to be a series on some sort of home network!!
I hadn't realized post-production helical cutter heads were a thing. I might have to look into upgrading my planer. Now that one was a deal - due to a bar code error and an inattentive/unknowledgeable worker at Menards, I got it brand new for $10.
Or the worker new full well what was going on but just couldn't care less or even better could just go with the "oh I just scanned the part it said it was $10 so I got the $10 from the customer and sent them on their way I have no idea what a helical cutter head is". Which seems far more likely to me and what's Menards going to do about it I can't expect their employees to know what things are and how much it should approximately cost
One thing to keep in mind, just because they come out of the same factory doesn't mean they're the same. Motors, bearings, blades, etc. can be easily changed for different production runs, other parts can be binned so the nicest ones go into the most expensive and the worst (but still usable) ones go into the cheapest, and how much effort is put into quality control can change. Are they actually actually going through the effort of doing all that? Who knows... I'd still buy the cheapest one though lol
Many foreign factories don't bother stocking more than one set of parts.
Even if it is the cheapest thing and somehow does manage to be built worse than the thing right next to it on the production line, his $400 savings will cover any shot bearings plenty of times over - Or just once if he does the right thing of getting nice quality ones immediately and still ends up with an amazing deal.
Not to mention the motor is probably not the same. You get what you pay for. More money has been wasted trying to save money by buying cheap. It always ends up costing more than buying the right thing the first time.
@@tarstarkusz He didn't buy some cheap brandless knockoff that'll break in a month, he bought a fine product. That's exactly where the best value for money is. If you just go for the expensive brands you end up paying a lot just for brand recognition.
Take cars for example. Buy the cheapest car you can find and you'll be paying through the nose for repairs, but that doesn't mean you should go and buy a Tesla or something if you want the best value for your money.
@@Huntracony I completely disagree. Commercial equipment is on a whole different level than consumer equipment. I kind of agree that if you are in the consumer market with only occasional light use, something like what he has might be OK and possibly even the best bang for buck. Paying for a brand with machinery is not like with clothes. You are paying for the reputation and the after sales service, parts availability You are not paying for a label, you are paying for what that label represents.
The real weak point of most consumer equipment is duty cycle. This thing probably has a 5-10% duty cycle.
@@tarstarkusz Well, it's a six inch jointer, which pretty much screams "hobby shop, light use". A pro shop that needs commercial equipment would probably have at least an 8 inch jointer.
"It's orange." Personal attack to start the day, I see. Accepted.
My thoughts exactly
missing your point and interested in how you draw your conclusion.
I'm Dutch and took that personally.
CMT has some orange tools as well, one spindle router head would cost the same or triple than your scrap metal jointer.
BTW it's never the colour, it's more the quality and the brand, the last should be the price tag.
That jointer way struggling with a piece of pine, because the motor is under powered. Even with the hellix will not do a proper job on hardwood.
i never knew about direct tools outlet until now, and i just looked it up and there is one a few miles down the road from me. i think im in trouble!
Same!
Why is it called a jointer? I mean, it's planing the surface so shouldn't it be called a plane or a planer?
It's called a jointer, because it's main purpose is ensuring the mating surfaces of two boards glued edge to edge (flat), to make a larger board, have no gaps. Thus they are jointed. Plus, jointer is short for jointer planer.
@@earthwormjim Thanks. Loved your Sega Megadrive game by the way.
@@earthwormjim That clears my mind ! ;) Thanks !
The bonus video points to the original video. However, good video ... maybe worth 2 viewings.
It has been fixed on the patreon page. Link is th-cam.com/video/wC0MhCwGiaw/w-d-xo.html
YES finally someone calling out bad tools to save me from buying junk!
Lol
There is nothing wrong with the Ridgid Jointer!
@@tkarlmann he was talking about the moving cart
@@dominicbeltz9057 OK
I have almost no interest in jointers for the foreseeable future, I just like watching your informitive and amusing videos, thanks !
Picked up a ridgid jointer last week on craigslist for $300. It came with a rolling tool base and was practically new. Really want some helical heads for this and my planer. Shcoked to learn that the tools are the same as powermatic/grizzly and others. Sounds like it should be a good little tool for a long time. Also, quick update, retail at Home Depot is now $799 so close to $900 after tax now.
4:18 my door make that sound as well...
Chris Farley joke made me audibly say "too soon".
December 1997 is still too soon?
I bet Chris would have laughed at the joke as much as everyone else did.
Recently found direct tools myself, bought a "factory blemished" portable wet/dry vacuum that was basically perfect. Sadly they don't have a store where I am so it's online orders only. (maybe that's a good thing?)
Yeah, probably a good thing as far as your bank balance is concerned. And your partner if you have one...
That one thumbs down was pissed you didn't repaint it, as one of the three things you were going to fix.
No it wasn't me thumbing it down.
Also, I just noticed that the nipple shirt is back in action
To anyone watching this in 2023 this compromise and extra hassle no longer makes any sense. The prices have changed dramatically at Home Depot and the cutter heads - which YOU will not be getting for free. The cheap Rigid jointer now clock in at $800 plus an additional $300 for the Shelix version of the spiral cutterhead. The Lux version is another $100 over that. The cutter head price is assuming that you buy no extra replacement knives upfront, always a stupid decision in my opinion, and also assumes that you do not purchase either of the torque wrenches that you need to properly and safely secure the carbide cutters with. You can just use a regular wrench or screwdriver but then you're playing the guessing game of did I tighten down enough or did I tighten it down so hard that I cracked the carbide insert or stripped the hole out.
The Grizzly G0452Z comes with a helical cutterhead, a built in mobile base and is now about $1400.00 including the freight shipping. The bare minimum for the Rigid, conversion cutterhead and mobile base (usually $89 - $100) is going to be about $1200.00 before tax and shipping. Realistically you're now going to be very, very close to, if not over, the price of the Grizzly plus freight.
I just bought the Grizzly and couldn't be happier.
Great video ... I'm doing this for sure....just a matter of time and money. I love your videos, they're no nonsense and truly genuine.
BY THE WAY... you're deliver and flavor is, for me, a cross between Andy Rooney and Stumpy Nubs... of which, somehow Yours is way way better to watch. Keep up the great work!!!!!! (yes, deserving of 5 or 6 exclams)
just for the newbies- "same factory" does not = same quality. All factories provide levels of quality for specific price points. Price points drive the design and manufacturing not competition.
I'm a PC engineer. If I try to do any woodwork, I'll lose my fingers. Why am I watching this? Because I find it interesting.
It is actually way quieter. A 7 db difference is almost half the intensity
I just want to let you know that every time you say Menards, I chuckle to myself. I feel like it's what a pirate screams when you kick them in the bollocks.
Their jingle is "save big money at menards!"
Even in my mid-thirties I still walk around that store singing about my nards. If we're honest, I think we all do.
$1,250 for the Grizzly plus $125 for freight as well. First time here, nice video, quick and simple with good explanations. I'm subbing.
A long bed jointer will always be superior to a short bed jointer.
A larger capacity lathe will always be superior to a small capacity lathe.
“Clogged like Chris Farleys arteries” might be the best joke and chuckle I’ve gotten from a DIY video. Bravo.
I wish you had the time to make more videos. I have no idea what you would make videos about, but I love the videos that you do make. I find the information so interesting and actually helpful, and most of the time it's things that I would have never thought of before as doable
#1 reason I want it is because it's orange..... But I'm going with something better
-I would still avoid anything TTI related at all cost.-
-TTI is a government company of china and i really despise the current government-
you mean west taiwan?
@@windhelmguard5295 after looking it up i guess i was misinformed about the origin of TTI
This is Very cool.... I found the same thing with water filters by A.O. Smith.
Great video! I found that a ton of other tools fit the same profile... lots of brands and colors but all made with the same specs by the same manufacturer. Saw that in spindle sanders and scroll saws too.
And 12” planers.
I like how he took the time to tell us he wasn’t going to change the jointer color because he’s lazy. It’s details like that that keep me coming back! 😂
"so join me!" LOL! Robert, If I can offer one word of advise, never use a hammer or hammer-like object anywhere within 50 feet of a bearing, doing so can cause "brinelling" of the balls against the races and result in poor performance / premature failure. OK, so that was way more then one word.
You must take pretty deep passes I have the same jointer don't have nearly that bad of a sound, or dangerous feeling at all
Great stuff! subbed!
Also; didn't I see you hosting a car channel?
Yes, yes I did...
Cries in Canadian dollars.
The Lux Cut for my planer is 900 CAD.
Yes but that’s only about $400 USD
😉
I know it’s not that bad but it still seems that way when I look at the exchange rate at TD Bank.
The caster braces are put together backwards....
There is one argument to be made for the straight knived cutters (I still recommend helical): They have a uniform surface finish. You get some mild but noticeable scalloping with helical cutter heads, but that can be sanded away if it matters (outer surfaces) or ignored if it doesn't (glue lines, inner surfaces). All in all, I'm extremely happy with the cutter I put in my dad's 40 year old powermatic.
Yeah, it's $800 now. Freaking criminals.
Yea I seen that.. insane
A great and informative video also the roller base seems to do a nice job. Just goes to show you don`t always get what you paid for look we have Biden Yuck. lol
First and Foremost, thank you for your effort and research regarding this jointer. I went to Tool Direct and was put on waiting list. Received call today and one had arrived. $499 is price as you stated. But, today was last day of 25% discount. Walked out the door for $375!
Came home to rewatch the video to see the stand you purchased and found the link. But, I have a question? The stand will adjust from 12" to 33" but according to Rigid the planer is 45.5" wide. Am I missing something because it looks like some funky math would have to happen to make this base fit?
Anybody have thoughts/opinions on the WEN JT833H jointer, 8 inch and spiral cutting head?
Thats the first time ive seen someone pass the face of plywood over a surface planer :P
Time index 3:02.
OMG YOU TOOL! TURN THE BIT THE CASTER IS BOLTED TO UPSIDE DOWN (in your case) or to be clear, right side up! Do I also have to tell you to unmount and remount the casters so the round bits aren't facing the ceiling? I have the same bora Mobil mount and its perfect.
This video was fun to watch but it's clearly an advertisement. Fine. But.....
I have this same Rigid jointer and I've never had the slightest problem with hardwood chips clogging my dust collection system. Even the softer hardwoods like poplar and mahogany are no problem at all. He digs a handful of pine out of the impeller. Yes pine can be a problem. So if I'm jointing pine I simply slip off the dust port and the chips fall nicely to the floor with absolutely no clogging in the body of the jointer. And they don't scatter at all so cleanup is a breeze. I have a Shop Fox 2hp dust collector and about 30' of 4" hose (not pipe) between it and the jointer. Lot's of times I've neglected to turn on the collector and ran boards through it. When I did turn it on the clump flowed through the hose, the impeller and into the bag nicely. The chip thing would be no justification for me.
I've run several thousand board feet of hardwoods across my Rigid 6" which I got over 10 years ago and I'VE NEVER NEEDED TO CHANGE OR SHARPEN THE BLADES!!! I've made hundreds of 5 piece cabinet doors and every single rail and stile was flattened on my trusty Rigid. The HSS blades on the Rigid DON'T SUCK IN ANY WAY. I just finished gluing together 6 fairly large charcuterie boards all flattened on my 10 year old HSS cutters. I've run every domestic hardwood over it and a few exotics. Hard maple, walnut, white and red oak. More European beech than anything else which is a fairly hard species.
The blades have some nicks obviously but they slight ridges they create come out with the routine finish sanding.
When the time comes I'll make the one time $40 purchase of the magnetic blade alignment jig and a set of blades is only $20. A Byrd is even cheaper than the Lux at $309 which really isn't bad at all but I simply can't justify it.
Funny, you never mention the cost of your labor to convert the jointer!?
Certainly depending on your shop rate, and how you value your time, I don't think I am far off estimating another $1000 for time and aggravation.
You are being disingenuous here! Shame on you!
Thumbs DOWN ! 👎 No subscription. Fail!
I ordered Lux cut in November. On back order. It was supposed to ship in January. Delayed. Now supposed to ship in mid March.
So If I understand this correctly the only thing you really did was install a $500 cutter (you got for free) on a $400 jointer, and you claim the cutter made it a little bit better.
I have this ridge jointer with the standard blade setup and the system works great!
It's a good mid-level jointer. I'm not in a position to pay $5000.00 for a top-of-the-line jointer so I can build a table top every five years. This $600 setup will work for the normal DYI woodworker.
220109 - Price of the Lux is $405.00 Shipped ground. A set of replacement cutter heads will run you another five bucks a piece in lots of ten, twenty, thirty . . . to 100.
Same thing for telescope makers you have your big hot shot brands that everyone goes thats quality but since everyone is working with the same set of physics nothing changes between the mirrors and the housing for them its almost all made out of one factory and some companies with have a 100 200 or even a few thousand dollar mark up were maybe the factory who makes them have a cheaper "knock off" brand with the same exact elements maybe not a flashy paint job and logo but its all the same.
You can't compare Powermatic and Rigid! That's just plain silly, you most definitely get what you pay for.
I was able to buy my Rigid new for $350 on Offer Up, then I proceeded to have the stand sandblasted and powder coated black. Helical head coming up.
FWIW: the grizzly is 1475 and the ridgid 799 now. Stupid inflation
You were thinking a Ridgid was inferior? Looks like you have a bunch of Ryobi... I think Ridgid is an upgrade. Just my 2¢.
Don't forget, Grizzly charges shipping. The Ridgid, you can have shipped to HD for free.
I just looked up that exact Rigid model on Home Depot’s website and it is going for $799. Kind of crazy that it’s almost doubled in price in a little over a year since this video came out.
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I wonder if the price you quoted from Grizzly included the $200 +/- freight fee. Great video thank you!
Who is chris farley?
"It's orange." Don't you mean it is brown with other context?
I see you are a person of culture.
those bases are nicer if you make with a piece of scrap 3/4 plywood, i only say this because building them this way rather than with the metal erector set stuff gives a shelf when done. i have this jointer and personally like to a bunch of paint cans under it and find the added weight helps make the machine a bit more sturdy when using it.. thanks for the upload your content rocks
So, I got away really cheap by getting a like new 6 inch Craftsman jointer in immaculate condition, for only $75 bucks? The guy j bought it from even put a cool caster upgrade kit on it..
I bought a cheap Porter-Cable benchtop jointer, and I have chips flying out the top no matter what I do. I'm hoping I can upgrade the cutter head. It's very disconcerting to have wood chips bouncing off your face as you joint a board...
You remind me a LOT of a car channel I watch called Hoovies Garage. Just thought you should know & maybe you should check him out.
Helical cutter link...isn't a link. May get one for an old 4" delta...because leveling blades sucks. Great video thank you.
I’m sorry TH-cam recommended these videos. I liked aging wheels but the half assery and blatant commercialism is too much.
although I think you have a very solid theory, something is off. I will say this carefully in case I messed up. I went to what I think is the site you mentioned and every tool I looked at could be found elsewhere for sometimes hundreds less. what gives? I do see that you mention two different places, so is that where I screwed up. I am not a TH-cam D*&khead I appreciate your time, but if you think about it it is time wasted if nothing is gained. I hope it is a simple mistake . thanks again and keep giving your usually spot on content. that's why I subscribed in first place
Amen I had one like that first base, but $150 designed for my planer.. absolute crap!
"Chris Farley's arteries"
Too soon, man. Too soon.
Sad that there is ONLY ONE orientation for the carbide tips. I would have expected a carbide tip, such as what is used on a lathe, with at least 2 tips available from each carbide blade.
Or did I miss something?
I've owned them all! Do not buy Bora mobile tool bases. Shop Fox or grizzly are much better.
What’s the longest board you jointed on it? Would you be comfortable with an 81” board?
I used to operate a weinig hydromat 3000 series so I've been spoiled and I prefer straight knives in operation, I used to process 18500 LM per day
my eyes have been opened. my POS rigid jointer is about to become an Ok at Best 6 inch jointer. for 300 bucks
Just remember that not all spiral cutter heads are helical cutter heads. That’s why you often see now the use of the term “helical style” cutter head.
It’s very misleading since many “helical style” cutter heads have only 1/3 the number of carbide cutters that a true helical cutter head has and they are often only 2 sided HSS cutters and not 4 sided carbide cutters.
It’s buyer beware and many companies that sell the “helical style” heads count on people not knowing the difference.
Shop Fox is owned by the same Company as Grizzly but not necessarily built in the same place at all. The Shop Fox are built in their Taiwanese factory that has better QC and more features and most of the Green Grizzly Tools are Chinese. Still pretty good QC for that location but not in the same league at all.
I'm wondering how you can call Ridgid a lesser quality when right behind you are Ryobi tools on full display.
What would you paint the gray paint to restore infeed and outfeed table base?
Does it need a specific paint for restoration? Mine is brown >_
Not a criticism of the video but you should know how much those inserts cost, they can be well over 100 for a pack of ten and that head takes 40. So you will get long life out of them and they are superior for sure, but that replacement bill is going to come with some sticker shock. Also some do not know that if they are just dull you can re-sharpen carbide, or at least find someone that can for you.
400$ 😮
That's the lowest I've seen anywhere!
But, none of the top brands offer ANY jointer/planer in India, so my only option is still a hand-held planer mounted upside down. That's only 4", but more than enough for plywood and thin stuff.
Come to think of it, if I can jerry-rig 2 of those 4" blades side by side on a custom rotor, that'd be one hell of a cheap 8" jointer 😂😂
I like the way you think!
Same jointer, some comments about stock setup. No helical cutter upgrade yet. The caster wheel brackets on that mobile base are weird. Are you sure the orange caster mounts were installed correctly? Maybe they were upside down?
Shopbot makes CNC machines in their plant in Durham NC...not jointers
So 10x more work to save pennies. Mmmmk. Rather make stuff and earn that back in work profit.
Thank you, good educational video - informative. Keep up the good work
Well I can't possibly buy this thing for $800 knowing you spent $400 on it.
I've never watched this channel but this guy seems really familiar somehow
Lubricate the bed, raise the infeed table, make more passes, ditch the spazzhandles.
I just saved you even more money and time
Not true on the cast iron bits being the same. There are quality standards set by the companies based on price. That comes to the tolerances of the milling of the dovetail ways to the amount of time the castings are aged to allow for stress relief. In the old days, the best companies would let the castings rest for years until being milled and put into production. I just feel you're doing a disservice to people who don't know better by making unfounded claims like that.
Do you find the jointer 'tippy' on the mobile base? I have the same machine and it's so skinny and top-heavy that it's a bit scary to roll around. Every time a wheel hits a crack or bump on the floor, it wants to tip over sideways. I need to build a wider base and bolt the machine down to it.
Good news everybody! Menards now carries Bora. Wait? What? Not good news.
Whats the practical difference between a planer and jointer? Seems the "only" difference is that on the planer the cutter head is above the plank and on the jointer it is below the plank, but on the jointer you could plane a big closet or other big wood project so it becomes smooth.
Thus you don't need a planer, you only need a jointer, right, because the jointer can do all the jobs a planer can do, and a little bit more?
Only thing I can see, is that the planer is much safer to use than a jointer as the cutter head is "hidden" inside it.
The new cuts look significantly worse. I wonder if they are mislabeled in the video.
The vibrations and feeling you had on the straight knives were present because your knives were not aligned properly.
Keep in mind Helical cutters will increase the work load on your motor and require slower feed speeds.
I own the Ridgid jointer so I am not being a tool snob but you really should stop saying it is the same machine as the Jet and Powermatic six inch jointers.
Quite literally there are no interchangeable parts.
Home-and-teapot price is now $799 (March 2022)