I grew up in the Middle East, then lived in India for a while and finally moved to Canada. Always wanted to move abroad, its been great so far but the most important thing is YOU SHOULD DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO. It's not for everyone and that is fine. Some people prefer it abroad and some people prefer it in India. At the end of the day, we are all global citizens and just wanna live a peaceful life.
Sorry, I should have seen this Q before posting my comment above ! Won't copy-paste it here so pls have a look at my Houston-experience and thoughts above! 😉
Working in Germany for past few months. Got dream salary even with a tier 3 Indian engineering degree. Will get citizenship in five years. Also the women are pretty nice here. If you really connect with someone they genuinely care for you and they value marriage more than modern Indian women. So am definitely not marrying an Indian woman.
I haven't been to US. I lived in sweden for 4 years. Travelled to different parts of europe and then came back to India. I have no plans to go back. I am quite happy living in India as an upper middle class person. I own a small business and in the future will expand to employ few more people.So will create opportunities for the youths over here. In western countries, people can certainly make more money and have a better living standard. But I think when you make a lot of money at some point of time in your life you hit the saturation point where having a lot of luxuries don't make you happier. You buy a new phone and after a while you throw it. You buy a BMW and you don't feel excited about it after a few years. So you take it for granted. So there is always something more to a person's life which I found was missing while living in a western country. But if someone doesn't agree with me, then it is upto them to decide what works best for them.
All great points ! I have been living in the USA for last 14 years and I am around 48Y old so I am in the "3rd stage" in your timeline. Here are my thoughts: 1. Work Culture: I personally have worked in top-notch Indian IT companies for like 10Y before coming here and I have seen both sides of work culture ! To be blunt, the work culture in India is nothing less than slavery and I am not even considering the workplace politics due to cut throat competition. Once you work here (in developed countries like the USA) even for a few months, you see this difference and wonder why not live this life instead of back in India? I recently visited India and I saw that the work culture there is still the same i.e. go early to beat the traffic, come home late again due to the extra work pressure (due to cut throat competition) as well as traffic and I realized that there is no way I can willingly accept it instead of my current relaxed life style here in the USA. If the American managers see the employees working after 4 PM during weekdays or see you online on weekends, those managers will insist employees to stop working and spend time with family (they are even willing to extend the deadlines). You can't even imagine that happening in the Indian IT work culture ! Again, these issues are mostly related to too much population and cut throat competition (like they say in India, "there is always someone standing behind you to take your job if you show some slack") !! 2. The quality of life: There is no debate in this area that life in the western countries is much more smooth and upscale compared to back in India (even if you are making good money in India) e.g. air pollution, traffic issues, infrastructure issues like water/power/roads etc, Gov offices corruption, and a lot of other social issues like safety for women/kids etc. 3. Social Life: This is something where everyone has their own version ! I lived in Mumbai and then Pune for total 10 years combined and my parents live in Kolhapur (actually not even in the Kolhapur city, but in a small town near Kolhapur). Visiting parents and relatives in your home town from Mumbai/Pune may sound like very easy on paper (false feeling of being "very close") but practically once your kids start growing up, the frequency drops to like max twice a year (unless some special event comes up), which is basically same as if you are living in the USA (we also visit India once a year). Folks from UK visit India even more frequently than us (my friends from Dubai and UK used to visit my home town more frequently than how I used to visit from Mumbai...lol) ! As far as neighbors/friends are concerned, we have more close and genuine friends here in the USA than we had in Mumbai or Pune (again depends on individual case) and the reason being now a days in the USA if you live in a big city, there is a huge Indian population unlike if you live in rural areas within the USA. In Mumbai we rarely used to see our neighbors since we all used to leave at 6 AM and come back after 8 PM (you know the local/bus/cab/auto travel in big cities like Mumbai/Pune/Bangalore etc) while here in the USA 95% of the folks reach home max by 5 PM (in fact more than half work from home anyway) and spend time with family, go to gym, play sports with friends etc (imagine doing that during weekdays if you work in Mumbai/Bangalore/Pune/Hyderabad etc). The life in Indian cities is very robotic and machine like compared to the life in western big cities ! So the social life now a days here in the USA is much better (than what used to be say 20Y ago) due to a lot of Indians around you. In spite of being in the USA, we communicate more in Hindi and Marathi compared to in English...lol. We celebrate Diwali/Dasara/Holi/Gudi Padwa etc in much larger way and without fail every year while I don't have any such unique memories from my Mumbai days (obviously due to very busy life style and work culture as I mentioned above). 4. Parents: Now, this is the only sensitive topic where there is no easy way to overcome the problem that old parents can't (or won't) come to the USA while you still want to meet them ! Of course many parents (especially from big Indian cities) come here and live very happily permanently but if your parents are from small town then the culture difference is huge and they get bored easily so start missing their small-town-life (where they have a huge company of their age or visiting relative all the time). But remember, the same thing happens if your parents come from their small home-town to live with you in Mumbai/Bangalore/Pune/Hyderabad etc big cities! They get bored there too if they have to live the robotic life in Mumbai/Bangalore etc (I have seen this). 5. Our retired life: Well, if we compare apples to apples, you can live really happy and peaceful retired life in the USA if you plan properly and also "re-size" your quality of life e.g. instead of a 5 bedroom house you can move to a flat (apartment) or a small 1 or 2 bedroom house since kids won't be with you anyway. Again, before you think "kids wont be there?", remember, even in India kids leave small towns for education/career etc so let's be realistic ! Unless you have a family business to run in India, the "loneliness" in the old age people talk about is similar in both India as well as in the USA, so no matter what the issues are in the old age, those are similar in both India as well as here. Point being, please don't compare the old age life in India which used to be like 20 Y ago, compare the "current" issues of old people in India with those in the USA ! 6. Cultural values in Kids: Again, if you think about how we used to behave with parents/elders when we were small kids, then those days are gone ! Compare the cultural values in the "today's" Indian big-city kids (e.g. Mumbai, Bangalore, Noida, Hyderabad, Pune etc) and those of Indian kids in big US cities and you will be shocked... trust me ! Please go and listen to the language or see the behavior of kids in the convent schools/colleges in Indian big cities and then listen to our kids here in the USA and you might think that our kids are more cultured in spite of being born and brought up so far away from India ! I am not bragging about my own kids but you can visit any Indian function/event here in the USA and see how the Indian kids (I mean kids of Indian parents) behave with us (elders). 7. Weather : This is a wide topic/range based on where you are. Some folks have serious issues with the cold weather while others get adjusted very easily. Also, even within the USA, northern cities are very cold (e.g. Chicago, NY etc), while the southern cities (e.g. Houston, LA, San Diego etc) are much warmer and closer to Indian weather so a lot of Indians (Desis) prefer to settle in the southern states if possible and hence the social/outdoor life is also much better (e.g. playing cricket/soccer/tennis outdoor even in winter is common here in Houston) compared to snowy cities in the north (I have lived in NJ as well as Houston so I have seen this difference). So comparing life in Stockholm/Oslo/Edinburgh/Chicago/NY etc with life in Austin/Houston/LA/San Diego/Miami is like comparing life in Srinagar with life in Kanyakumari 😉. Point being, it's wrong to assume that "USA means snow" or "overseas means depressing/snowy life" 😉. All in all, like you said, it's a subjective decision, and your personality as well as your specific situation (e.g. handling your family business in hometown Vs working in IT in a big city away from your parents/relatives) will decide your happiness ! Similarly, if you are a very "spiritual" person then you will enjoy India more but if you are a regular "materialistic" person (you know what I mean 😉) then a developed country is the best bet for you. Same like you, I have seen life on both sides and even in this age (48Y) I am still not willing to come back to India for good ! As a tourist, to meet parents/relatives/friends is perfectly fine but not for a working/regular/daily life !!! The day-to-day challenges are just way too much there in India compared to here in the USA. I mean we all love India as a country but there is nothing wrong in choosing a better quality life elsewhere and still love India, correct? 😉 And, in the end, please remember, "it always looks greener on the other side !" 😛 If you are working in the USA (or in any other developed country) then before you take any drastic decision after hearing fancy stories from others who went back to India, please go visit India, even stay for a few months and get a job and work there, see how you like that life and then take the permanent decision ! Just because someone else is very happy after going back to India doesn't mean that you will be too !!! Also, I was in the UK as well for 9 months and my honest opinion is, there is a huge difference in the USA life Vs the UK life (probably other European cities are same). I felt the USA has become like a mini-India, plus USA being an immigrant's country, the "reservation" in their mind is minimum i.e. they (Americans) are more accepting compared to folks in other countries. You mix with them within no time and even your kids quickly make American friends (although Indians are everywhere now a days). But even within the USA, there might be some folks living lonely/depressing life in a corner so it all depends upon where you live and what kind of friends you have around you (which is basically the same rule in India too). Saying "you should live in India" is equally wrong as saying "you should live overseas" ! The correct suggestion should be "you get one life, live wherever you like and do whatever job that makes you happy" !! Like you said, there is no "one size fits all" definition for "Happiness" and "Good Quality Life", is it?😊🙏
We have similar thoughts. I have worked in India, I wouldn't want to get back to the daily grind. Life is a struggle and too much uncertainity on a day to day basis in big cities like Mumbai. Quality of life is definitely better in Singapore, where we are.
@@NiranjanBendre I know... sorry about that 😉. I just kind of got the same feeling that now a days folks returning to India (for whatever reasons) somehow, like a fashion, come up with a bunch of generic reasons to justify it. I am perfectly fine with folks going and living wherever they like based on their personal priorities but trying to indirectly convince others is what makes me a bit upset. Let people decide where they will be happier rather than telling them reasons like "life is boring/depressing overseas" or "work culture there is same like in India"... etc !
@@ajfathers482 I might have seen a video and then comment on that video and then TH-cam recommend another on same topic and saw the comment. Perhaps that happened to you as well and you copy pasta the comment as well. 😅 I don’t think they are convincing others but only telling their story but I might have not picked up the hint correctly.
I mean US is definitely not an improvement for Indians, infact highly educated and skilled Indians are treated like crap in US. Even if you're from IIT or some top college, you are subjected to a "country quota", "given bullshit RFEs" and have to find a job in 60 days... plus they make it impossible for you to visit your home country with ease with their stupid laws for stamping and whatnot. There are many countries that are recognizing Indian talent, while everyone is thinking the US is the best place, truly India is far better, especially if you're already from IIT, NIT or similar colleges...
I have moved to Canada and I can clearly resonate what ever you are telling!! The luxuries which I can get in India, I can never offord them in Canada. I miss my family a lot being there, soon I will come back ☺️
It’s not the traffic that bothers me. Each time I land I think it’s going to be a good experience this time. The chaos just gets worse. Having a remote job makes a huge difference. How people travel and work everyday in that chaos is unbelievable. I just love the Indian food and feel happy because my family is there. I’ve stayed in india for 20 years of my life and that’s enough!!
Frankly speaking I missed that chaotic env when I was in US. And coming back to india and seeing these chaos I had a broad smile in my face. I still love that here❤❤❤my fav place my home
I'm canadian grew up poor . I agree with you on everything. My father used to talk like you when I was a kid and now I agree with him as I'm older. Takes courage to do what you did. I admire that. Keep up the posts.
Your views about India are really great! You are telling many of the positive things and real life. But one point I have to add: middle class is the broadest class in India. So not all the middle class people have maids and uber and everything. It's got a broad range.
But after the pandemic, people who work in IT and living in India are getting decent packages. If both husband and wife are working in IT and have more than 5 years of experience then you are making a very good amount of money than you make in USA or UK. Here if you have your own house and your own car, then the amount you pay for rent in abroad is completely saved. We lived in UK for more than 2 years and didn't find any special benifit of living in abroad except the air quality and traffic point so we recently moved back to India. Here, making the same amount of money and living a better life with maids and with all the kind of foods we love to eat😎 But scenarios can be different for everyone so everyone should take their decision based on their current condition!
I also feel that the commute and also handyman situation is so convenient in India. In America, one needs a car to get around no matter how poor they are, in India one has access to rikshaws and autos etc. Also handymans for everything for very cheap and practically for anything and everything in India. In America you've to assemble everything yourself and take it places yourself, etc. Some of these pickup/drop off services are infact provided for free by the retailers in India.
The fact that this video exists is a proof that people are starting to think to move back. I constantly talk about this topic with my friends in Australia. Some of them think it’s foolish but some support the idea of moving back.
Totally Agree what you said....Been out of India for 2 decades in four different countries holding Canadian Passport. Now i feel like moving back to India is good thing. I have money but i don't have parents support and i can't afford maid services and rest all other stuff what you have mentioned.
Your honesty/transparency policy..so true blue. Of all my travels, OMG India is my most favorite. I am considering coming to live for part of the year. Thxs for the wonderful info. Luv/blessings
I am from Malaysia recently been living in india for a year .. got married to a local here… I love living here in off grid places… full of nature , fresh air… beautiful environment.. in terms of medical needs… india is really good in terms of both naturopath and allopathic… services are better here in india.. never was a city person 12 years in Kuala Lumpur and pollution… outskirts, nature and Himalayas is what I crave… since I’m vegan india is much better.. I also tend to feel many materialistic Indians tend to go to foreign countries and spiritual foreigners tend to want to live in india… india gives us that simplicity vibe now that the world is heading to digitalised Ai but obviously india is factory for digitalising but thank heavens a tiny little spot is still preserved for spirituality and meditations and transcendental sciences
Hi from Bombay, there might not be much difference between Bangalore and Bombay, but watch out for Delhi. People there are little different and not a great way.
most of the start ups are owned by people coming out of delhi zone .. grow up now.. delhi is not what it used to be .. delhi is more posh than banglore or mumbai . i live in noida , hv lived in mumbai for 6 yrs and blore for 2 yrs .. blore is a traffic nightmare .. will take atleast 15 years to become a proper cosmo city.. right now its only an it park on some super steroids with no city planning .
You think Mumbai is any better? Stinky streets with no space and to top it off, marathis with superiority complex. I can't imagine having a lovely time over there
Saw your podcast for the first time. Agtee with all that you said. I wouldn't want to ever leave India. Definitely go to all the countries but come back to 🇮🇳India. The perspective you gave will be useful for people planning to shift elsewhere in the world
@Frankenstein Z LOL. one will always find a group of frustrated people in every country complaining about aspects and elements. everyone needs a change after a while in life in areas they find lacking. nobody is asking you to live in india, if you can and have the merits you should move out- if not for anything else but your own mental health.
@Frankenstein Z seems i scratched some deep seated inferiority complex. you know nothing about me but are resorting to infantile name calling and making several dumbfounded assumptions about me. my apologies, it was my mistake to engage with a sick person. get well soon.
Totally resonate your thoughts, just moved outside a month back and totally miss the luxurious life i was living back in India.But what makes me feel awkward is the fact that we seem to be taking the household help that we are getting back in India for granted, is it fair on them to be paid so unfairly.(since that was the major difference called out multiple times in this video).
Every place has its positive and negative. India will have all your known people/relatives but not everyone has good relationship with them. India has great public transportation and connections between all villages, cities and towns, it's very convenient. In America on the other hand you may not have so many friends or relatives but I have seen strangers help. Specially for women it's more safer than India otherwise bad people exists every where. Traffic is bad in both places due to more advent of vehicles and people having better financial ability to buy one nowadays.
I moved to Australia 7 years ago and guess what it was worth but there is a threshold. After you reach the threshold it’s not worth living here. I’m planning to move back and the fact that such a video exists is the proof that this is just the beginning of a trend.
If I was a man and if I wanna do crime and don't wanna go to jail at all , I know which country I will go to and stay in and I know which country I will love a lot .
I really love your pragmatic content outlook.. .. I live in India, and all the points you have made are very very correct ! People who have no contentment may not agree with these views. But it's really excellent that a guy living /has lived in the US, has made all these points.
I agree life in India is "better" if you are in IT/software. The reason for that is because IT salaries are higher than middle class salary. You can look up income data to verify. The IT salaries puts you in the upper class of course things like taking Ubers everyday and having drivers and maids are easier because you make so much more money (relatively speaking).
I don’t feel that this is applied to those who were born in America. I am of Indian descent and I was born in Arkansas and raised in Ohio. I tend to feel that life in America is convenient for me. I am in the army national guard and there are many things about American culture that I would miss if I ever had to leave the US. Life is a lot more convenient in the US and people are more likely to follow the rules. While I have been to india 5 times, the last time being in December 2021, I personally feel that as a person who was born and raised in the US, which doesn’t make me an NRI, it is better for me and makes more sense for me to live in the United States. I like doing most things by myself and I like the independent lifestyle that the US offers. I clean my own dishes, do my own laundry, and drive my own car. I feel that living in the US makes more sense for me personally considering that I’m in the military and that I have other aspirations(20 years old).
As American Citizens for life, it will be a struggle to live anywhere else in the world. America offers opportunities: own a bank starting with nothing and similar opportunities
It comes down to your priorities. If you want to be in the cutting edge tech/ startup scene/venture capital the US is the place. Indian has advanced considerably but has a long way to go. If your priorities are to live a comfortable life then India is the place.
This is hidden gem of a video, got suggested this by TH-cam since I am considering long term decisions after being here for almost 4 years for my graduate studies.
I can't believe Google you did it again. I was talking to my friend on this topic. You heard it and suggested this video. Thats Very bad, but Thank you. Some Indians take nice pics abroad and talk crap about India. These hypocrites change so fast, all of a sudden they feel more comfortable with Toilet paper over a bidet.
I’m planning to move to Scotland and I heard this. This is amazing. I too have a cook she comes twice a day, I have maid to clean my house, a car cleaner cleaning my car daily, all my groceries come to my home via app, we have a guard in our building, I never step out except for leisure time. And my salary is around a million INR only. I’m really doubtful whether I should move out or not??
Going to India with a US citizenship is different from going without it.. you are cool because you know you can return anytime you want. If you ask me I will never return. My life is much better here. I have experienced living in both the countries
Nice talk! I am that NRI Aunty I guess😂 I was recently in India , love going there but am uncomfortable with the lack of equality for the help in the house.
Sanjay, this podcast resonated with me! I can totally relate to all of this having grown up in India and relocating elsewhere. I completely agree with you- living in both places has its own advantages. The only advantage I can think about regarding living outside India is, higher disposable income to travel :) or maybe that's just me! Thanks for talking about this and providing a realistic perspective!
My ex husband use to say and is so true: ' It is better to live with a bit of a dirt in a HOME (or as they feel they HOME ) - than live in a CLEAN HELL ! '
I love India but after having moved to Ireland, two years ago, I simply love Ireland and Europe. A forever fan of life in Ireland/EU and I wouldn't want to move back ever unless it is for personal or visa reasons. The standards of living, the clean breathing air, non potholed roads, good affordable salaries, solid/strong passport with mobility wherever you can think of, power of Euro, lack of corruption and nepotism in the lower levels, etc. I can go on and on.
Sounds like Marie Antoinette. I have always lived in India, and I know how it feels when 30% of your hard earned money goes into Taxes and all I get in return is terrible education quality, pvt schools that rob us. Horrific traffic, poor air quality, poor sanitation in public areas, poorly managed health facilities.
Thank you sir for your nice message. I am currently living in Germany and I am in a dilemma now whether to head back to India or not. Nice message and really helpful.
…… home is the BEST! But look at how much environmental toxins in food, water and air are impacting our lives and that of our kids in India 🇮🇳 plus we need work on improving work culture and ethic
Good content. Just one suggestion. You use the phrase "Do you know what I mean" way more than necessary. It would be great if you can dial that down a bit.
It is the restrooms. We use water which is good for environment but there is no way to dry it hence walk around in wet underwear and pants. And winter seasons!!!! What the other gentleman who is 48 mentioned so accurate. Work is slavery even now. After everything I still feel home when I am in Kerala. I just got back to my home in Ohio after a vacation and I miss food, plants, birds and warm hot sweaty weather.
Respect your views but revolves around small things like comfort and convenience and ambiance around you. Expecting the level of depth of discussion to much different and higher levels. What you say is ok for 20 + year buddy all investing in so called life standards .
Before leaving find out what are the job opportunities in the country you wish to uproot and go to. Your qualifications or your years of experience may never be welcomed. Consider what your tax cuts will be in that country, what is your SUPERANNUATION contribution will be and what is the retirement age. Is it 60, 65 or 70. Can you afford to fork out money for things we take for granted in India _ visiting a GP or for that matter the luxury of a DENTIST. Got. Provided health may not include a hundred things like getting your tooth fixed in an emergency. You may take up a life insurance policy which after ten years or twenty years may not even be affordable as Western countries have a RECESSION at the drop of a pin. THey will chop and chip whenever they please about retirement age and about certain categories of visas. Example Europeans when retiring can go back anywhere and still get their pension but Asians and MIddle Eastern are given another set of rules. We again are at the mercy of the govts. Decision about when we are entitled to get a pension. Currently, we cannot claim a full pension if we have not resided in the country for over thirty five years. Be mindful this can change after you leave your country to settle abroad. Basically, you are a third class citizen with so many categories of visas issued. Another thing to consider is education. State schools do not have any discipline so you may have your kids changing their values dictating to you the laws of children in these so called advanced countries. And believe me once you sign on the dotted line to uproot your family, you are not going to be able to uproot again due the financial implications. You would have had ten superannuation accounts working for different companies doing contract or casual work and each company takes a whopping fee yearly so all these losses add up. As for transportation, cars I a must and need I say the interest on a loan, the monthly fees for insurance, the bi yearly fee for servicing your car is exorbitant. In India the infrastructure is a pain but we don't have the kind of stress with energy bills and constant payments that leave you with hardly any savings. In India we get a generous leave package _ annual and sick leave with good medical allowance. No such thing as LTA so no yearly holiday allowance. And suicide, depression and divorce is high on the agenda. So carefully read up and find out before you put your family on the chopping board. If one person has a hard time it is not that bad but uprooting your full family to struggle can be difficult in a foreign country.
What's your experience in either country? (or also Canada, AU, etc..)
I grew up in the Middle East, then lived in India for a while and finally moved to Canada. Always wanted to move abroad, its been great so far but the most important thing is YOU SHOULD DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO. It's not for everyone and that is fine. Some people prefer it abroad and some people prefer it in India. At the end of the day, we are all global citizens and just wanna live a peaceful life.
amen bro totally agree
Sorry, I should have seen this Q before posting my comment above ! Won't copy-paste it here so pls have a look at my Houston-experience and thoughts above! 😉
Working in Germany for past few months. Got dream salary even with a tier 3 Indian engineering degree. Will get citizenship in five years. Also the women are pretty nice here. If you really connect with someone they genuinely care for you and they value marriage more than modern Indian women. So am definitely not marrying an Indian woman.
I am in New Zealand for the last 12 years and it sucks.
I have lived in different countries from last 5 years. But I totally miss india so much. There's that energy. The vibe. I think I am homesick
I haven't been to US. I lived in sweden for 4 years. Travelled to different parts of europe and then came back to India. I have no plans to go back. I am quite happy living in India as an upper middle class person. I own a small business and in the future will expand to employ few more people.So will create opportunities for the youths over here. In western countries, people can certainly make more money and have a better living standard. But I think when you make a lot of money at some point of time in your life you hit the saturation point where having a lot of luxuries don't make you happier. You buy a new phone and after a while you throw it. You buy a BMW and you don't feel excited about it after a few years. So you take it for granted. So there is always something more to a person's life which I found was missing while living in a western country. But if someone doesn't agree with me, then it is upto them to decide what works best for them.
In India with religious discrimination and racism who would want to stay
Very very well said
Well said... You are right
@@livinghope1561religious discrimination is only on news channels.
I absolutely adore your ideas.👍
All great points !
I have been living in the USA for last 14 years and I am around 48Y old so I am in the "3rd stage" in your timeline.
Here are my thoughts:
1. Work Culture: I personally have worked in top-notch Indian IT companies for like 10Y before coming here and I have seen both sides of work culture ! To be blunt, the work culture in India is nothing less than slavery and I am not even considering the workplace politics due to cut throat competition. Once you work here (in developed countries like the USA) even for a few months, you see this difference and wonder why not live this life instead of back in India?
I recently visited India and I saw that the work culture there is still the same i.e. go early to beat the traffic, come home late again due to the extra work pressure (due to cut throat competition) as well as traffic and I realized that there is no way I can willingly accept it instead of my current relaxed life style here in the USA. If the American managers see the employees working after 4 PM during weekdays or see you online on weekends, those managers will insist employees to stop working and spend time with family (they are even willing to extend the deadlines). You can't even imagine that happening in the Indian IT work culture ! Again, these issues are mostly related to too much population and cut throat competition (like they say in India, "there is always someone standing behind you to take your job if you show some slack") !!
2. The quality of life: There is no debate in this area that life in the western countries is much more smooth and upscale compared to back in India (even if you are making good money in India) e.g. air pollution, traffic issues, infrastructure issues like water/power/roads etc, Gov offices corruption, and a lot of other social issues like safety for women/kids etc.
3. Social Life: This is something where everyone has their own version ! I lived in Mumbai and then Pune for total 10 years combined and my parents live in Kolhapur (actually not even in the Kolhapur city, but in a small town near Kolhapur). Visiting parents and relatives in your home town from Mumbai/Pune may sound like very easy on paper (false feeling of being "very close") but practically once your kids start growing up, the frequency drops to like max twice a year (unless some special event comes up), which is basically same as if you are living in the USA (we also visit India once a year). Folks from UK visit India even more frequently than us (my friends from Dubai and UK used to visit my home town more frequently than how I used to visit from Mumbai...lol) ! As far as neighbors/friends are concerned, we have more close and genuine friends here in the USA than we had in Mumbai or Pune (again depends on individual case) and the reason being now a days in the USA if you live in a big city, there is a huge Indian population unlike if you live in rural areas within the USA. In Mumbai we rarely used to see our neighbors since we all used to leave at 6 AM and come back after 8 PM (you know the local/bus/cab/auto travel in big cities like Mumbai/Pune/Bangalore etc) while here in the USA 95% of the folks reach home max by 5 PM (in fact more than half work from home anyway) and spend time with family, go to gym, play sports with friends etc (imagine doing that during weekdays if you work in Mumbai/Bangalore/Pune/Hyderabad etc). The life in Indian cities is very robotic and machine like compared to the life in western big cities ! So the social life now a days here in the USA is much better (than what used to be say 20Y ago) due to a lot of Indians around you. In spite of being in the USA, we communicate more in Hindi and Marathi compared to in English...lol. We celebrate Diwali/Dasara/Holi/Gudi Padwa etc in much larger way and without fail every year while I don't have any such unique memories from my Mumbai days (obviously due to very busy life style and work culture as I mentioned above).
4. Parents: Now, this is the only sensitive topic where there is no easy way to overcome the problem that old parents can't (or won't) come to the USA while you still want to meet them ! Of course many parents (especially from big Indian cities) come here and live very happily permanently but if your parents are from small town then the culture difference is huge and they get bored easily so start missing their small-town-life (where they have a huge company of their age or visiting relative all the time). But remember, the same thing happens if your parents come from their small home-town to live with you in Mumbai/Bangalore/Pune/Hyderabad etc big cities! They get bored there too if they have to live the robotic life in Mumbai/Bangalore etc (I have seen this).
5. Our retired life: Well, if we compare apples to apples, you can live really happy and peaceful retired life in the USA if you plan properly and also "re-size" your quality of life e.g. instead of a 5 bedroom house you can move to a flat (apartment) or a small 1 or 2 bedroom house since kids won't be with you anyway. Again, before you think "kids wont be there?", remember, even in India kids leave small towns for education/career etc so let's be realistic ! Unless you have a family business to run in India, the "loneliness" in the old age people talk about is similar in both India as well as in the USA, so no matter what the issues are in the old age, those are similar in both India as well as here. Point being, please don't compare the old age life in India which used to be like 20 Y ago, compare the "current" issues of old people in India with those in the USA !
6. Cultural values in Kids: Again, if you think about how we used to behave with parents/elders when we were small kids, then those days are gone ! Compare the cultural values in the "today's" Indian big-city kids (e.g. Mumbai, Bangalore, Noida, Hyderabad, Pune etc) and those of Indian kids in big US cities and you will be shocked... trust me ! Please go and listen to the language or see the behavior of kids in the convent schools/colleges in Indian big cities and then listen to our kids here in the USA and you might think that our kids are more cultured in spite of being born and brought up so far away from India ! I am not bragging about my own kids but you can visit any Indian function/event here in the USA and see how the Indian kids (I mean kids of Indian parents) behave with us (elders).
7. Weather : This is a wide topic/range based on where you are. Some folks have serious issues with the cold weather while others get adjusted very easily. Also, even within the USA, northern cities are very cold (e.g. Chicago, NY etc), while the southern cities (e.g. Houston, LA, San Diego etc) are much warmer and closer to Indian weather so a lot of Indians (Desis) prefer to settle in the southern states if possible and hence the social/outdoor life is also much better (e.g. playing cricket/soccer/tennis outdoor even in winter is common here in Houston) compared to snowy cities in the north (I have lived in NJ as well as Houston so I have seen this difference). So comparing life in Stockholm/Oslo/Edinburgh/Chicago/NY etc with life in Austin/Houston/LA/San Diego/Miami is like comparing life in Srinagar with life in Kanyakumari 😉.
Point being, it's wrong to assume that "USA means snow" or "overseas means depressing/snowy life" 😉.
All in all, like you said, it's a subjective decision, and your personality as well as your specific situation (e.g. handling your family business in hometown Vs working in IT in a big city away from your parents/relatives) will decide your happiness ! Similarly, if you are a very "spiritual" person then you will enjoy India more but if you are a regular "materialistic" person (you know what I mean 😉) then a developed country is the best bet for you.
Same like you, I have seen life on both sides and even in this age (48Y) I am still not willing to come back to India for good ! As a tourist, to meet parents/relatives/friends is perfectly fine but not for a working/regular/daily life !!! The day-to-day challenges are just way too much there in India compared to here in the USA.
I mean we all love India as a country but there is nothing wrong in choosing a better quality life elsewhere and still love India, correct? 😉
And, in the end, please remember, "it always looks greener on the other side !" 😛
If you are working in the USA (or in any other developed country) then before you take any drastic decision after hearing fancy stories from others who went back to India, please go visit India, even stay for a few months and get a job and work there, see how you like that life and then take the permanent decision ! Just because someone else is very happy after going back to India doesn't mean that you will be too !!!
Also, I was in the UK as well for 9 months and my honest opinion is, there is a huge difference in the USA life Vs the UK life (probably other European cities are same). I felt the USA has become like a mini-India, plus USA being an immigrant's country, the "reservation" in their mind is minimum i.e. they (Americans) are more accepting compared to folks in other countries. You mix with them within no time and even your kids quickly make American friends (although Indians are everywhere now a days). But even within the USA, there might be some folks living lonely/depressing life in a corner so it all depends upon where you live and what kind of friends you have around you (which is basically the same rule in India too).
Saying "you should live in India" is equally wrong as saying "you should live overseas" !
The correct suggestion should be "you get one life, live wherever you like and do whatever job that makes you happy" !!
Like you said, there is no "one size fits all" definition for "Happiness" and "Good Quality Life", is it?😊🙏
I'm a spiritual Christian person and USA is more spiritual and peaceful than India
We have similar thoughts. I have worked in India, I wouldn't want to get back to the daily grind. Life is a struggle and too much uncertainity on a day to day basis in big cities like Mumbai. Quality of life is definitely better in Singapore, where we are.
I saw this same comment on two videos! Wow
@@NiranjanBendre I know... sorry about that 😉. I just kind of got the same feeling that now a days folks returning to India (for whatever reasons) somehow, like a fashion, come up with a bunch of generic reasons to justify it. I am perfectly fine with folks going and living wherever they like based on their personal priorities but trying to indirectly convince others is what makes me a bit upset. Let people decide where they will be happier rather than telling them reasons like "life is boring/depressing overseas" or "work culture there is same like in India"... etc !
@@ajfathers482 I might have seen a video and then comment on that video and then TH-cam recommend another on same topic and saw the comment. Perhaps that happened to you as well and you copy pasta the comment as well. 😅
I don’t think they are convincing others but only telling their story but I might have not picked up the hint correctly.
India is changing fast. I would never change my life in India for any other country. We should understand that we are a different civilisation.
😂
Yes, different society.
life in india is easy for middle class and above... household helps
Are you alien ?
I mean US is definitely not an improvement for Indians, infact highly educated and skilled Indians are treated like crap in US. Even if you're from IIT or some top college, you are subjected to a "country quota", "given bullshit RFEs" and have to find a job in 60 days... plus they make it impossible for you to visit your home country with ease with their stupid laws for stamping and whatnot. There are many countries that are recognizing Indian talent, while everyone is thinking the US is the best place, truly India is far better, especially if you're already from IIT, NIT or similar colleges...
I have moved to Canada and I can clearly resonate what ever you are telling!! The luxuries which I can get in India, I can never offord them in Canada. I miss my family a lot being there, soon I will come back ☺️
exactly same with me but here in Berlin! soon will return forever
Still Canada was a far better decision than dealing with USAs immigration system
@@mohit4902 Are you in Canada.
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INDIA, INDIA, INDIA. India is the future. Its growth and civilisation is going to the story of this century.
It’s not the traffic that bothers me. Each time I land I think it’s going to be a good experience this time. The chaos just gets worse. Having a remote job makes a huge difference. How people travel and work everyday in that chaos is unbelievable. I just love the Indian food and feel happy because my family is there. I’ve stayed in india for 20 years of my life and that’s enough!!
Frankly speaking I missed that chaotic env when I was in US. And coming back to india and seeing these chaos I had a broad smile in my face. I still love that here❤❤❤my fav place my home
I'm canadian grew up poor . I agree with you on everything. My father used to talk like you when I was a kid and now I agree with him as I'm older. Takes courage to do what you did. I admire that. Keep up the posts.
Your views about India are really great! You are telling many of the positive things and real life.
But one point I have to add: middle class is the broadest class in India. So not all the middle class people have maids and uber and everything. It's got a broad range.
But after the pandemic, people who work in IT and living in India are getting decent packages. If both husband and wife are working in IT and have more than 5 years of experience then you are making a very good amount of money than you make in USA or UK. Here if you have your own house and your own car, then the amount you pay for rent in abroad is completely saved. We lived in UK for more than 2 years and didn't find any special benifit of living in abroad except the air quality and traffic point so we recently moved back to India. Here, making the same amount of money and living a better life with maids and with all the kind of foods we love to eat😎
But scenarios can be different for everyone so everyone should take their decision based on their current condition!
I also feel that the commute and also handyman situation is so convenient in India. In America, one needs a car to get around no matter how poor they are, in India one has access to rikshaws and autos etc. Also handymans for everything for very cheap and practically for anything and everything in India. In America you've to assemble everything yourself and take it places yourself, etc. Some of these pickup/drop off services are infact provided for free by the retailers in India.
The fact that this video exists is a proof that people are starting to think to move back. I constantly talk about this topic with my friends in Australia. Some of them think it’s foolish but some support the idea of moving back.
In US people don't get to think, they are forced to default on their loans and "sent" back 😂 Indians are specifically targeted more.
Totally Agree what you said....Been out of India for 2 decades in four different countries holding Canadian Passport. Now i feel like moving back to India is good thing. I have money but i don't have parents support and i can't afford maid services and rest all other stuff what you have mentioned.
What I like about your views is your honesty man. Appreciate it!
Living outside of India, I now understand how you were seeing things around you in good old Bangalore. 💕 Hope you are doing well in the US!
This is exactly what I wanted to hear right now. This podcast came at the best time from me.
universe always finds a way 😂
are you moving back to India?
Your honesty/transparency policy..so true blue. Of all my travels, OMG India is my most favorite. I am considering coming to live for part of the year. Thxs for the wonderful info. Luv/blessings
I am from Malaysia recently been living in india for a year .. got married to a local here… I love living here in off grid places… full of nature , fresh air… beautiful environment.. in terms of medical needs… india is really good in terms of both naturopath and allopathic… services are better here in india.. never was a city person 12 years in Kuala Lumpur and pollution… outskirts, nature and Himalayas is what I crave… since I’m vegan india is much better.. I also tend to feel many materialistic Indians tend to go to foreign countries and spiritual foreigners tend to want to live in india… india gives us that simplicity vibe now that the world is heading to digitalised Ai but obviously india is factory for digitalising but thank heavens a tiny little spot is still preserved for spirituality and meditations and transcendental sciences
May I know which part of India u live … MALASYIA is much better in term of pollution 🤔 every country is special .
@@alicepamei5947 outskirts of Siliguri…. Not in the cities… cities are polluted but here u get freshest of air
Hi from Bombay, there might not be much difference between Bangalore and Bombay, but watch out for Delhi. People there are little different and not a great way.
most of the start ups are owned by people coming out of delhi zone .. grow up now.. delhi is not what it used to be .. delhi is more posh than banglore or mumbai . i live in noida , hv lived in mumbai for 6 yrs and blore for 2 yrs .. blore is a traffic nightmare .. will take atleast 15 years to become a proper cosmo city.. right now its only an it park on some super steroids with no city planning .
You think Mumbai is any better? Stinky streets with no space and to top it off, marathis with superiority complex. I can't imagine having a lovely time over there
Saw your podcast for the first time. Agtee with all that you said. I wouldn't want to ever leave India. Definitely go to all the countries but come back to 🇮🇳India. The perspective you gave will be useful for people planning to shift elsewhere in the world
Best advice for Indians, never ever leave India, just stay in India, na rahega baas, na bajegi bansuri......end of all discussions of this type.
I'M GREW UP IN USA AND I'M DYNG TO LIVE IN INDIA . IF I GET OPPORTUNITY I WOULD MOVE THERE IN A HEART BEAT
yes you should. living in bangalore, chennai or mumbai should be your choice if you dont have a family and wanna work in india. not elsewhere.
@Frankenstein Z LOL. one will always find a group of frustrated people in every country complaining about aspects and elements. everyone needs a change after a while in life in areas they find lacking. nobody is asking you to live in india, if you can and have the merits you should move out- if not for anything else but your own mental health.
@Frankenstein Z shut the eff off please. India's great
@Frankenstein Z seems i scratched some deep seated inferiority complex. you know nothing about me but are resorting to infantile name calling and making several dumbfounded assumptions about me. my apologies, it was my mistake to engage with a sick person. get well soon.
Totally resonate your thoughts, just moved outside a month back and totally miss the luxurious life i was living back in India.But what makes me feel awkward is the fact that we seem to be taking the household help that we are getting back in India for granted, is it fair on them to be paid so unfairly.(since that was the major difference called out multiple times in this video).
Loved your podcast ! everything you said is and were my opinion as well.
Every place has its positive and negative. India will have all your known people/relatives but not everyone has good relationship with them. India has great public transportation and connections between all villages, cities and towns, it's very convenient. In America on the other hand you may not have so many friends or relatives but I have seen strangers help. Specially for women it's more safer than India otherwise bad people exists every where. Traffic is bad in both places due to more advent of vehicles and people having better financial ability to buy one nowadays.
Very unbiased take on this:) I concur!
thanks!
Love ❤️ the Help I get in India 🇮🇳
Certainly NOT moving away
I moved to Australia 7 years ago and guess what it was worth but there is a threshold. After you reach the threshold it’s not worth living here. I’m planning to move back and the fact that such a video exists is the proof that this is just the beginning of a trend.
what do you mean by threshold. can you elaborate
If I was a man and if I wanna do crime and don't wanna go to jail at all , I know which country I will go to and stay in and I know which country I will love a lot .
I really love your pragmatic content outlook.. .. I live in India, and all the points you have made are very very correct ! People who have no contentment may not agree with these views. But it's really excellent that a guy living /has lived in the US, has made all these points.
Us is not a rosy as it is projected...I was planning for masters in Europe vs us
Everyday traffic sucks, imagine going office 2/3 days a week in the traffic and coming back in that traffic.
Most honest YT video, Thank you .... coming back soon from Ireland. Missing Indian vibe...
Life is more good in usa compared to india but only time I miss india when I get medical bill
I agree life in India is "better" if you are in IT/software. The reason for that is because IT salaries are higher than middle class salary. You can look up income data to verify. The IT salaries puts you in the upper class of course things like taking Ubers everyday and having drivers and maids are easier because you make so much more money (relatively speaking).
Dropped off when he says "Is your time really valuable?"
why?
I don’t feel that this is applied to those who were born in America. I am of Indian descent and I was born in Arkansas and raised in Ohio. I tend to feel that life in America is convenient for me. I am in the army national guard and there are many things about American culture that I would miss if I ever had to leave the US. Life is a lot more convenient in the US and people are more likely to follow the rules. While I have been to india 5 times, the last time being in December 2021, I personally feel that as a person who was born and raised in the US, which doesn’t make me an NRI, it is better for me and makes more sense for me to live in the United States. I like doing most things by myself and I like the independent lifestyle that the US offers. I clean my own dishes, do my own laundry, and drive my own car. I feel that living in the US makes more sense for me personally considering that I’m in the military and that I have other aspirations(20 years old).
As American Citizens for life, it will be a struggle to live anywhere else in the world. America offers opportunities: own a bank starting with nothing and similar opportunities
U r looking like warikoo
It comes down to your priorities. If you want to be in the cutting edge tech/ startup scene/venture capital the US is the place. Indian has advanced considerably but has a long way to go. If your priorities are to live a comfortable life then India is the place.
This is so well said!!! Loved it
This is hidden gem of a video, got suggested this by TH-cam since I am considering long term decisions after being here for almost 4 years for my graduate studies.
Same! Where are you planning to move?
I can't believe Google you did it again. I was talking to my friend on this topic. You heard it and suggested this video. Thats Very bad, but Thank you.
Some Indians take nice pics abroad and talk crap about India. These hypocrites change so fast, all of a sudden they feel more comfortable with Toilet paper over a bidet.
I am in new delhi from cali to me delhi better🌅🌅 life in india is very good
I’m planning to move to Scotland and I heard this. This is amazing. I too have a cook she comes twice a day, I have maid to clean my house, a car cleaner cleaning my car daily, all my groceries come to my home via app, we have a guard in our building, I never step out except for leisure time. And my salary is around a million INR only. I’m really doubtful whether I should move out or not??
Going to India with a US citizenship is different from going without it.. you are cool because you know you can return anytime you want. If you ask me I will never return. My life is much better here. I have experienced living in both the countries
Nice ! I like that you did not speak about CAA. As much as it is "trendy" right now, you stuck to what you wanted to talk about. Respect that.
Thanks Sai!
Nice talk! I am that NRI Aunty I guess😂
I was recently in India , love going there but am uncomfortable with the lack of equality for the help in the house.
Sanjay, this podcast resonated with me! I can totally relate to all of this having grown up in India and relocating elsewhere. I completely agree with you- living in both places has its own advantages. The only advantage I can think about regarding living outside India is, higher disposable income to travel :) or maybe that's just me! Thanks for talking about this and providing a realistic perspective!
hey Pallavi yes of course it’s all subjective and thanks for sharing your story 🙃☺️
My ex husband use to say and is so true: ' It is better to live with a bit of a dirt in a HOME (or as
they feel they HOME ) - than live in a CLEAN HELL ! '
Hey I really like your accent and your personality... I am learning English and I love to listen your podcast 😀😀😀
In Oder to get luxurious life in Canada
Or only an house you have to sacrifice your entire life .
But in india with less also you can be happy
I love India but after having moved to Ireland, two years ago, I simply love Ireland and Europe. A forever fan of life in Ireland/EU and I wouldn't want to move back ever unless it is for personal or visa reasons. The standards of living, the clean breathing air, non potholed roads, good affordable salaries, solid/strong passport with mobility wherever you can think of, power of Euro, lack of corruption and nepotism in the lower levels, etc. I can go on and on.
Never return, India = hell, I am trying to get out but I haven't been able to because of all sorts of reasons.
Oh this guy is everywhere, such a spam!
Hahahahaha
,man your posts are repetitive, are you a india bashing bot?
You cannot afford cook , helper ,driver in ireland
@@manishpatil2336 you can but most don't want to hire and be independent. Being independent is freedom which lacks in India
11 minutes into the podcast I am still wondering what he is trying to say 😂
What a fabulous observation! kudos to you my friend.🙏
great.. you made the podcast I was going to ... BUT I LOVE IT !!!
Best city to be is where you can give yourself the life you wanted. It can be anywhere.
Live in India and earn us salary. That's the best case scenario.
Love the way you articulated it.
What's with all the honking dude? Traffic is not the problem but not following rules and honking is...gimme a thumbs up if you agree...
Sounds like Marie Antoinette. I have always lived in India, and I know how it feels when 30% of your hard earned money goes into Taxes and all I get in return is terrible education quality, pvt schools that rob us. Horrific traffic, poor air quality, poor sanitation in public areas, poorly managed health facilities.
Thank you sir for your nice message. I am currently living in Germany and I am in a dilemma now whether to head back to India or not. Nice message and really helpful.
I am moving back.. I lived in Berlin
Also in Germany with family. Very hard to decide. Could u make up ur mind ?
lol you said everyone have a great year ... it was about to be 2020 ... just looking back and thinking about that lol
Best video I have seen on this topic. Thank you!
living in india and getting us salary is like winning super powerball lottery..lol😆😅
…… home is the BEST! But look at how much environmental toxins in food, water and air are impacting our lives and that of our kids in India 🇮🇳 plus we need work on improving work culture and ethic
Also I watched this at 1.5x and was still fun!
haha yay
Good content. Just one suggestion. You use the phrase "Do you know what I mean" way more than necessary. It would be great if you can dial that down a bit.
pls make more of such video pls.
Interesting - Thanks
Wow ! You still speak American accent. How come it hasn't changed. 🙂
He was born and brought up in the U.S.. He mentioned that.
@@AkshatJha doesn’t matter. I have seen white guys who lived in the US till their 30s and then moved to India, their accents changed totally
@@santyv9466 cannot generalise based on that
@@santyv9466 those must be Europeans with English not being their first language
If u live in south for 5 years ur hindi will change
I really am killing time watching this😂 but it's time worth spent👍
It is the restrooms. We use water which is good for environment but there is no way to dry it hence walk around in wet underwear and pants. And winter seasons!!!!
What the other gentleman who is 48 mentioned so accurate. Work is slavery even now.
After everything I still feel home when I am in Kerala. I just got back to my home in Ohio after a vacation and I miss food, plants, birds and warm hot sweaty weather.
Traffic and pollution are not problems while you're watching netflix and playing games from your couch
Honest review 🙌
bro convinced me to go back to India and moved to US :/
Dealing with government officials in Bangalore like RTO is super fun
Very insightful 👍
I want to settle in US or Canada or European countries but not in India due to bjp rss.
I miss the US when I visit India 😢
I Really Love the way you're speaking :)
I just discovered this. Where have I been? Interesting take. Didn't listen to it 1.5x though! lmao
lol i dunno but glad you enjoyed pls like and review on itunes or google podcast 🙏🏼
Quality podcast!!
thanks you sir
This 1 deserves at least 1 mil views
Curious to know why are you planning to come back now??
With money any place is a good place.
Respect your views but revolves around small things like comfort and convenience and ambiance around you.
Expecting the level of depth of discussion to much different and higher levels.
What you say is ok for 20 + year buddy all investing in so called life standards .
Well said
India is better than USA , it’s very hard to get green card / citizenship.
Anytime America.
Basically, stay or move where you make or can make more money that defines your lifestyle and not country.
Now anyone making vedios for viewership ( ours is second largest population
Pollution people are difficult when in position of power
Looking forward to the shows in California 2020 😄
yayy
Love listening to your podcast great job man 👊 👍 🔥
thanks bro
come to my show every thursday at capri till i leave :)
Does an IT career grow well in USA as compared to India ?
Before leaving find out what are the job opportunities in the country you wish to uproot and go to. Your qualifications or your years of experience may never be welcomed. Consider what your tax cuts will be in that country, what is your SUPERANNUATION contribution will be and what is the retirement age. Is it 60, 65 or 70. Can you afford to fork out money for things we take for granted in India _ visiting a GP or for that matter the luxury of a DENTIST. Got. Provided health may not include a hundred things like getting your tooth fixed in an emergency. You may take up a life insurance policy which after ten years or twenty years may not even be affordable as Western countries have a RECESSION at the drop of a pin. THey will chop and chip whenever they please about retirement age and about certain categories of visas. Example Europeans when retiring can go back anywhere and still get their pension but Asians and MIddle Eastern are given another set of rules. We again are at the mercy of the govts. Decision about when we are entitled to get a pension. Currently, we cannot claim a full pension if we have not resided in the country for over thirty five years. Be mindful this can change after you leave your country to settle abroad. Basically, you are a third class citizen with so many categories of visas issued. Another thing to consider is education. State schools do not have any discipline so you may have your kids changing their values dictating to you the laws of children in these so called advanced countries. And believe me once you sign on the dotted line to uproot your family, you are not going to be able to uproot again due the financial implications. You would have had ten superannuation accounts working for different companies doing contract or casual work and each company takes a whopping fee yearly so all these losses add up. As for transportation, cars I a must and need I say the interest on a loan, the monthly fees for insurance, the bi yearly fee for servicing your car is exorbitant. In India the infrastructure is a pain but we don't have the kind of stress with energy bills and constant payments that leave you with hardly any savings. In India we get a generous leave package _ annual and sick leave with good medical allowance. No such thing as LTA so no yearly holiday allowance. And suicide, depression and divorce is high on the agenda. So carefully read up and find out before you put your family on the chopping board. If one person has a hard time it is not that bad but uprooting your full family to struggle can be difficult in a foreign country.
you are so correct