A french General said : the trouble with swiss ? You cannot know how many snipers they have. All the population is made by sport shooters. Never mess with them, each place hides an ambush.
@@nbome2733tell that to the Afghans, hit and run tactics, ambush and booby traps. They have beaten the world's strongest armies multiple times now with small arms and low yield explosives. It would be hell climbing into those Swiss mountain ranges and who knows how deep those bunkers and mountain fortresses go.
As a former machine gunner in the Swiss Army, when I hear the sound of the MG 51 again, it's like music in my ears. We trained very hard on this weapon, sometimes with abrasions from constant manipulation. But in the end we mastered it blindly, which gave us security. Even at night in the dark, every move was almost perfect. Changing the barrel, changing the breech, a position change with new aiming, all this had to be done as quickly as possible... Most of the time we shot the MG mounted on it's carriage...
I still remember when I was serving in the army, the first times the machine guns shot past over our heads (with a specified safety distance!), it was a bit awkward, later, especially with tracer ammunition, a picture that you will probably never forget. By the way, not the sound of a single machine gun shot either.
Same - I went to basic training right around the time the Army switched from Stgw 57 to 90, but our real weapon was the MG 51. In comparison, the assault rifle felt like a toy
@@markushengstler8482 *laughs in MG64* but yes, agree, the rifle indeed feels like a toy, considering the MG64 (Browning M2) weighs like seven times its weight. getting it fire-ready was a nightmare and a pain in the A so to speak
Although they never openly state it, it is quite clear that the “enemy” in this film is meant to represent the 1970s-80s Soviet army. The color of the uniforms and the camouflage pattern on the tanks all have a distinct “Soviet” look and they even went so far as to add the early model T72s characteristic V-shaped deflector. The Swiss might have been neutral during the Cold War, but all their military plans alway assumed the that Warsaw Pact would be the enemy if things ever went hot.
Well they're in Western Europe it would only make sense they try to somewhat align themselves with NATO. Plus if they showed NATO looking troops in the film half the West probably wouldn't have been very happy
Such was the military situation in Europe at that time. The Warsaw Pact had plans of conquest Western Europe and espionage in Switzerland, in terms of its readiness to defend it, was high. The neutral corridor of Austria and Switzerland was a tempting gateway.
During all military exercices of that time, involving thousands of men (Übung Cassius for instance) , the opponent force were always labeled as "red" and coming from north-east. So it was pretty obvius who it might be.
I love how they don't make the enemy stupid, and that casualties are to be expected, they teach you not what you want to be but what you have to be to survive which is absolutely vital in war.
Field craft is a dying art and I have always loved how it looks when complete. All those well made wood Reinforced trenches and defensive works. In the US military, it has largely been abandoned with most of our field craft training going to sandbag structures.
they're starting to bring back fieldcraft and theyre starting to teach infantry how to clear a tunnel The next world war is gonna be like ww1 again new tech mixed with trenches but you gotta realize the doctrine of the US and alot of NATO states is to keep moving forward not in a Stalingrad style human wave but still moving forward, and having air superioortiy (which we would) and alot of artillery helps a ton as well
@@lilfattcatt7758 the "ww3 sticks and stones" are rolling in their graves watching 18 year old conscripts in ww3 clear trenches with a bayonet fixed like its ww1
This is believe or not the most realistic and up to date video showing how a real war between nations on equal footing is waged. I have spent several months in Ukraine and seen this with my own eyes.
I went on holiday there and no one and nothing stopped me from fucking their women eating their food and taking dumps in their toilet Also disease could spread through their defences And with such a low birth rate they won't have many soldiers in the future And if they are cut off from oil, food production could be hit What's the point in defence when your country is a whore
Oh my God, my recruit school in 2004 was a real joke compared to this world war. Army Reform 21 has really taken all the fun out of it. My father had so much fun with his assault rifle 57.
Armee 95 wasn't much better. Wiederholungskurs every two years for some units, what a stupid idea. Artillery recruit school in 2002 and NCO school in 2003 we had Panzerfaust, machinegun 12,7mm and hand grenades. In the Wiederholungskurs in 2008 we got issued the pepper spray, no more hand grenades or Panzerfaust. What a joke. Still had the 12,7 on the vehicles though. Fun times.
Merci, thanks, danke schon, gracias for this film, in 1985 I was living in Switzerland and I did my last repetition course before moving abroad. I thank you for this film that reflects in detail what an exercise of the Swiss army is. I was always very proud to have done officer school at La Blecherette in 1977 and paid my stripes in and around Savatan area 1978. My sons and friends when I told them that in 1975 at the age of 18 years old I was entrusted as all swiss soldier with a automatic rifle that I kept at my home, they couldn't believe it.
My father served in 1981 as a corporal in the 12th mountain division. That was a fusilier company. The recoil of the rifle grenade of the StGw57 was around 80 kg. Broken fingers and broken noses were commonplace. Everyone, even smaller and lankier recruits, had to learn to use the infamous rifle grenade effectively in battle. You didn't always have time or space to open the winter trigger and, especially in trenches, you had to use diffrent firing techniques. sometimes you had no choice but to shoot from the shoulder.
I've seen many '70's action films will lower production standards, and lower special effects. But what really sells this as a '70/'80's production is the music. Oh yeah, and the RC AH-1's are a real hoot.
41:53 "Its large manpower, unsophisticated (but reliable) weaponry..." The Swiss don't do 'unsophisticated' weaponry. The Stgw.57 was one of the most expensive assault rifles ever made.
@@Joshua_N-A Ask the Swiss what they think and they'll ask what is a battle rifle. Better yet tell the Germans that the sturmgewehr that literally translates to assault rifle is not an assault rifle despite being the original assault rifle from which the trend and the word came from to begin with. This battle rifle/assault rifle thing is not only illogical but also pointless American terminology that doesn't need to be brought up
Well the stg 57 was a (very well made as almost all swiss guns) light machine gun . Based on the role of the german FG42 it was supposed to do everything from acurate fire to suppress fire, plus launching light and heavy carrots of doom 😃. A truly universal combat weapon. At least with his heavy weight it was keeping the troops in shape. Love from France dear swiss cousins.
@@BurntPlaydoh Yes but Stgw. 57 literally means Sturmgewehr 57 which translates to Assault rifle 57. Even in the French part of Switzerland it’s called the Fass 57 or Fusil d’assaut 57.
That's right, apart from the fact that it's a bit long and heavy by today's standards, it's still a weapon where you'd rather stand behind the shooter than in front of him. If you consider that it doesn't stop at 300 meters and that it can actually also serve as a light machine gun, you can see what this weapon can do. Personally, I find the feeling when shooting with the StGw 57 to be particularly special, you really notice what is in this weapon (and the beloved winter trigger, which the StGw 90 unfortunately no longer has).
I'm glad to see they're still using that 106 mm recoilless rifle. May be considered a little obsolete by that time but it's still packed one hell of a punch against armour when it hit. Especially with upgraded tandem munitions.
Recoilless rifles are not in use any more and the calibre was 10.6 cm. At that time the prime antitank weapon was the Dragon with the recoilless rifles being replaced with the Piraña vehicles coming in line with the TOW guided missile, I think the final switch happened towards the late 1980s. As for antitank weaponry the 12cm mortar was considered also using a radar guided round capable of independent targeting capacity made in Israel. We did run some tests on this, was part of the team, but then they decided against the purchase of the ammunition.
@@Braun30 Thank you for taking the time to type all that. I was commenting as if it was 1985. Just like the title of the video suggests. I didn't think this was filmed last Tuesday. But you bring up some interesting things anyway.
He was probably playing dead but realized the tank was too close, so he moved out of the way quickly. Chances are the Driver didn't see him because of how close he was.
Looking at this two years after it was uploaded. After the 80s the Swiss army has adapted, well, downsized from ~600k soldiesrs to around 120k. If we look into Ukraine the enemy hasn't so much. Trench warfare is the theme again, something unimaginable in the 2000s. Back when the movie was recorded the doctrine was basically all about fighting the USSR. What a back flash, when I look into Ukraine.
Can remember this time very clearly. Did my basic training in 1984 in Romont (Motorized Infantry with the BB74 anti tank weapon). Luckily I was a motorbike driver and didn’t see so much infantry action 🤪
Just prior to WW2 a German officer asked his Swiss counterpart; 'How many troops could you mobilize if we invade your country?' "Half a million within two days". 'And if we invaded with a million troops?' "We shoot twice and go home ..."
In the mid 80s my regiment was acting as the “Infantry Demonstration Battalion” down on Salisbury Plain, we would provide troops for course’s coming through the School Of Infantry, both friendly & enemy, including troops for the skill at arms courses & such like. We would also test & demonstrate new equipment & weapon systems coming through & make films such as this, on a slightly smaller scale, showing how the new kit would fit into a battle plan etc
Another great bit of film.... the Swiss army has the most spectacles wearers I have ever seen and some very dodgy hair cuts too. I would never attack a country dfended by cheese eating maths teachers!
Long hair is tolerated in the Swiss Army and has been for decades. Remember, it is an army of militiamen / part-time soldiers who are called up for 3 weeks at a time and do normal civilian jobs the rest of the year. The rule is simply that the hair must not touch the collar. If you have long hair, you can tie it up or wear a hair net. I once saw a Swiss Army sergeant who had a huge bunch of dreadlocks tied up in a giant bun on top of his head, yet somehow still managed to place his helmet on top of that!
Math Teachers are/were the problem of the Swiss army, they made the army into a kinder-garden, to many teachers got into Officer positions which used to teach kids and suddenly should lead grown men in battle, some of this teachers were simply miserable incompetent Sobel-Like officers. The best officers in this Milice Army are Business and Trades-People with a practical approach to life and being used to lead people in their own entreprises at their expenses.
@@jurgbangerter1023 I agree. I did my Service in 2014 and we had different company commanders throughout our time in the army. The one I respected the most was a banker who knew how to lead with the necessary discipline mixed with the understanding of our company's morale. I know Since Armee 95 the army hasn't been like before, but he gave me hope that there still are officers thatr can lead their men competently in a real life battle.
Armed neutrality. When I was in Switzerland 🇨🇭 in 1985 they could call up 250,000 fully armed citizen soldiers in 24 hours. Every able bodied male between 18 & 50 had the Switzer Gehwehr fully automatic machine gun at home with a sealed pack of ammunition.
In the early 1980s the mobilisation capacity was 680'000 men, reduced dramatically with armee 95 by cancelling the Landsturm age category (43 to 52 years of age).
fun fact: the M83 (aka TAZ 83) camo was originally made for the german army in Czechslovakia during WWII, and it was put to service in 1945 for the SS, it stayed in use for Czechslovakia during the communist regime, and during the first exercise the soviets got scared as they thought that they've run into remained waffen-SS forces (which reportedly held out till 1949-50), so they ordered the czechs to change camo, they changed camo and sold it to the swiss army, what they used until 1993.
Alternative theory: it also closely resembles the experimental "European Army"/European Defense Community camouflage patterns, dropped in 1954. This would explain the introduction of the Swiss Zelteinheit 55, followed by the Kampfanzug 61. Note that the camouflage pattern here used here is basically a 1955 pattern (there is no official designation per se). The simplified pattern used on the Tarnanzug 83 was introduced ca. 1983 as the name suggests.
@@tavish4699 the exercise part probably, idk, some older man told me this, but the "it was used by the SS" is not, they used it in the last months of the war
Please do your research about "Leibermuster" . Specifically about the companies: Hellmut Leiber und Schlieper + Baum. This camouflage pattern is based on research and development from 1937 by Professor Johann Georg Schick
Quand tu roules dans la campagne tu vois plein de granges, de fermes. Ce sont des décors qui abritent des postes de combat en blockhaus. Les lignes droites des routes servent à faire décoller les avions. Les montagnes sont creuses et abritent des tanks et des canons. D'un seul coup tu vois la montagne bouger et des trappes s'ouvrent avec la gueule des canons qui apparaît. Bref il y a tout un pays qui est prêt à accueillir un éventuel visiteur indésirable.
First: As a swiss I was in service from 1980 until 1996 and in the 80ies it was usual to have a great maneuver like this. But this is a film! In realitiy it was very different from what you see here.
Ca bien changé, a présent en suisse on a des chars leopard 2,des piranha, des FA18 et prochainement des FA35 ,deja en 1995 quand j ai fait mon armee beaucoup de choses avait changè comparer au film comme les fusils fass90 tandis que sur le film c est des Fass57,mais film tres intéressant sur mon magnifique pays la 🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭♥️
A martial aesthetic that establishes and solidifies the bridge between two seemingly disparate concepts, as though to affirm that the artist and warrior are indeed a synergy.
If the Swiss Army and Air Force were to join NATO, and the EU Military Forces, Russia would be worried. From a Former Marine and Soldier.🇺🇸🇨🇭🗡️⚔️🛡️💣💥🇪🇺🇺🇳
My father always had a pair of those protective goggles in his workshop, as a kid I used to try them on and they are the most uncomfortable thing you can imagine. Now I know where they come from... 😄
@@collectionneur111 L'ancienne grenade a fusil a dû progressivement disparaître du paysage avec l'adoption du fusil d'assaut SIG 550 en calibre 5.56. Le nouveau lance grenade modèle 97 se situe désormais sous l'arme comme sur le M203 américain et tire une munition standart adaptée.
I love because they show how "mundane and boring" most of the military work is, not like in movies. Position, entranching, depot, communication (even if it's a bit cranky and cliché here on how the officiers think it should be done)
It's crazy how all the equipment in this film looks like some bizarre alternate history where the Wehrmacht survived the 2nd world war and lasted into the late 20th century.
The APCs all look like MOWAG prototypes borrowed for the film. They are using the same three or four in each segment probably to represent Soviet BTRs just as the Pz61/68 are representing T-54/55/62 Tanks. At that time the Swiss had their Infantry basically in trucks and their Grenadiers in modified M113s armed with a 20mm cannon in a one man turret at the front on the right, the same as used on Swedish APC of the time.
They are using the "bridge too far" method of body kits on old/friendly/whatever tanks to simulate. Red Dawn had the most realistic fake soviet Armor of 80's film IIRC.
I was a extra in the 1979 MOWAG publicity clip for the Piraña, filmed at the Rossboden training ground in Chur. I hated it, sitting in this vehicle running around and then getting to bounce out of the thing when the door came down. Wonder where those clips went, I never saw anyone of them.
Aufgrund der Ausrüstungen dieser Leute, kann der Film nicht älter als 1977 sein. Es zeigt also den Stand der Armee am Ende der 70-er, anfangs 80-er Jahre. Damals hatten wir noch eine brauchbare Armee, dem ist leider heute nicht mehr so.
This is the training protocol of every healthy Swiss man once they turn 20 years of age (in the 1970's/80's) as part of their Recruiting Time (4 months) and repetitive courses each year of 3 weeks until they've done 8 courses. After that every second year for 2 weeks until the age of 40(?). It's a militia army like the Israelis and only homeland defence (or Blue Helmets).
J'étais mitrailleur en 1985. Quand je vois le mitrailleur changer le canon sans le gant, je me dis que cette mitrailleuse n'a pas tiré sinon sa main serait complètement brûlé. Un de mes camarades a fait ça et il n'avait plus de peau dans la main......
Dale vous avez accès au Service Suisse Cinématographique des Armées pour avoir tous ces films ? Si vous avez des films sur l'aviation je serais preneur. Dans les années 80 il y avait une démonstration tactique de l'aviation pour l'ensemble des troupes pour montrer leur emplois. Sur la place de Buhr je crois me souvenir. N'étant pas une démonstration publique les minima de sécurités étaient bien moins élevés que lors de traditionnel meeting aérien, c'était vraiment spectaculaire !
a shame that none of these dressed up Pz 61s have survived to the present day at least a lot of the Piranhas have. some of them are in the museum in Full
I can't tell if this is training, propaganda, or a conceptual student art film. But I love every minute.
It might just be all 3
This is the 80 ies man!
Yes!
is swiss propaganda
It's the Whole in One 😀😀
The message of this film is: Listen, you really don’t wanna come into our mountain hideaway. It’s not worth it.
And if you think that you have shot all our invading soldiers you will never be sure.
We have more soldiers than you have bullets.
A french General said : the trouble with swiss ? You cannot know how many snipers they have. All the population is made by sport shooters.
Never mess with them, each place hides an ambush.
@@gillesguillaumin6603 having world class snipers, even tho that is far from the case, that will not win you wars, not by a long shot (pun intended)
@@nbome2733tell that to the Afghans, hit and run tactics, ambush and booby traps. They have beaten the world's strongest armies multiple times now with small arms and low yield explosives. It would be hell climbing into those Swiss mountain ranges and who knows how deep those bunkers and mountain fortresses go.
That is not true. Several wars have been won by an emphasis on superior marksmanship and ambush tactics @@nbome2733
As a former machine gunner in the Swiss Army, when I hear the sound of the MG 51 again, it's like music in my ears. We trained very hard on this weapon, sometimes with abrasions from constant manipulation. But in the end we mastered it blindly, which gave us security. Even at night in the dark, every move was almost perfect. Changing the barrel, changing the breech, a position change with new aiming, all this had to be done as quickly as possible... Most of the time we shot the MG mounted on it's carriage...
I still remember when I was serving in the army, the first times the machine guns shot past over our heads (with a specified safety distance!), it was a bit awkward, later, especially with tracer ammunition, a picture that you will probably never forget. By the way, not the sound of a single machine gun shot either.
Mitrailleur motorisé compagnie 1 section mitr, salutations
Same - I went to basic training right around the time the Army switched from Stgw 57 to 90, but our real weapon was the MG 51. In comparison, the assault rifle felt like a toy
@@markushengstler8482 *laughs in MG64* but yes, agree, the rifle indeed feels like a toy, considering the MG64 (Browning M2) weighs like seven times its weight. getting it fire-ready was a nightmare and a pain in the A so to speak
Sieht eher wie ein billiger Abklatsch des MG 42 und oder MG 3 aus
Dear lord, the music on this thing is simultaneously the most dated and most appropriate for this film. I love it.
Expecting Night Rider and Air Wolf to appear with back up from the A team..
Although they never openly state it, it is quite clear that the “enemy” in this film is meant to represent the 1970s-80s Soviet army. The color of the uniforms and the camouflage pattern on the tanks all have a distinct “Soviet” look and they even went so far as to add the early model T72s characteristic V-shaped deflector. The Swiss might have been neutral during the Cold War, but all their military plans alway assumed the that Warsaw Pact would be the enemy if things ever went hot.
Well they're in Western Europe it would only make sense they try to somewhat align themselves with NATO. Plus if they showed NATO looking troops in the film half the West probably wouldn't have been very happy
What is that? like a vismod M48 or Centurion? Looks a little odd
@@noneofyourbusiness43 Probably a Pz 61/68 with some modification to make it look like a T-55
Such was the military situation in Europe at that time. The Warsaw Pact had plans of conquest Western Europe and espionage in Switzerland, in terms of its readiness to defend it, was high. The neutral corridor of Austria and Switzerland was a tempting gateway.
During all military exercices of that time, involving thousands of men (Übung Cassius for instance) , the opponent force were always labeled as "red" and coming from north-east. So it was pretty obvius who it might be.
I love how they don't make the enemy stupid, and that casualties are to be expected, they teach you not what you want to be but what you have to be to survive which is absolutely vital in war.
Field craft is a dying art and I have always loved how it looks when complete. All those well made wood Reinforced trenches and defensive works. In the US military, it has largely been abandoned with most of our field craft training going to sandbag structures.
Well the war in ukraine is a complete mix of fieldcraft with endless trenches on the border. It's a combined setting of opd and modern war tactics.
they're starting to bring back fieldcraft and theyre starting to teach infantry how to clear a tunnel
The next world war is gonna be like ww1 again new tech mixed with trenches
but you gotta realize the doctrine of the US and alot of NATO states is to keep moving forward not in a Stalingrad style human wave but still moving forward, and having air superioortiy (which we would) and alot of artillery helps a ton as well
Sandbags are easier to fill, stack, and maintain than wooden structure, though I agree with your main point.
@@lilfattcatt7758 the "ww3 sticks and stones" are rolling in their graves watching 18 year old conscripts in ww3 clear trenches with a bayonet fixed like its ww1
This is believe or not the most realistic and up to date video showing how a real war between nations on equal footing is waged. I have spent several months in Ukraine and seen this with my own eyes.
The thoroughness of this in terms of not sugar-coating what to expect from combat is pretty amazing.
Better than anything Hollywood has produced lately.
Much better
there's no need to say, but clearly is it, even mosfirm has no match with that quality and design.
War: Two days of marching. One day of digging. Hours of waiting and fifteen minutes of combat. Then repeat.
The swiss have a highly defensible landscape, it's like a giant country sized fortress and they know it.
I went on holiday there and no one and nothing stopped me from fucking their women eating their food and taking dumps in their toilet
Also disease could spread through their defences
And with such a low birth rate they won't have many soldiers in the future
And if they are cut off from oil, food production could be hit
What's the point in defence when your country is a whore
Oh my God, my recruit school in 2004 was a real joke compared to this world war. Army Reform 21 has really taken all the fun out of it. My father had so much fun with his assault rifle 57.
Armee 95 wasn't much better. Wiederholungskurs every two years for some units, what a stupid idea. Artillery recruit school in 2002 and NCO school in 2003 we had Panzerfaust, machinegun 12,7mm and hand grenades. In the Wiederholungskurs in 2008 we got issued the pepper spray, no more hand grenades or Panzerfaust. What a joke. Still had the 12,7 on the vehicles though. Fun times.
Well, the StGw 57 was so heavy, we did some gymnastic with it every morning, the so-called _gym fass_
@@Kampfhamster81 Which unit were you with? Are we talking about the so-called Füssel?
@@marcmonnerat4850 How heavy was the rifle?
@@jasonsmith3737 6.6 kg loaded. A mag with 24 GP11 was just short of a kilogramm.
Merci, thanks, danke schon, gracias for this film, in 1985 I was living in Switzerland and I did my last repetition course before moving abroad. I thank you for this film that reflects in detail what an exercise of the Swiss army is. I was always very proud to have done officer school at La Blecherette in 1977 and paid my stripes in and around Savatan area 1978. My sons and friends when I told them that in 1975 at the age of 18 years old I was entrusted as all swiss soldier with a automatic rifle that I kept at my home, they couldn't believe it.
My father served in 1981 as a corporal in the 12th mountain division. That was a fusilier company. The recoil of the rifle grenade of the StGw57 was around 80 kg. Broken fingers and broken noses were commonplace. Everyone, even smaller and lankier recruits, had to learn to use the infamous rifle grenade effectively in battle. You didn't always have time or space to open the winter trigger and, especially in trenches, you had to use diffrent firing techniques. sometimes you had no choice but to shoot from the shoulder.
I've seen many '70's action films will lower production standards, and lower special effects. But what really sells this as a '70/'80's production is the music. Oh yeah, and the RC AH-1's are a real hoot.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's always a good day when Dale uploads a video!
Especially, might I add, when it's a video I've never seen before!
41:53 "Its large manpower, unsophisticated (but reliable) weaponry..."
The Swiss don't do 'unsophisticated' weaponry. The Stgw.57 was one of the most expensive assault rifles ever made.
A battle rifle to be precise since it use full power cartridge. Assault rifle use an intermediate cartridge.
@@Joshua_N-A Ask the Swiss what they think and they'll ask what is a battle rifle. Better yet tell the Germans that the sturmgewehr that literally translates to assault rifle is not an assault rifle despite being the original assault rifle from which the trend and the word came from to begin with. This battle rifle/assault rifle thing is not only illogical but also pointless American terminology that doesn't need to be brought up
Well the stg 57 was a (very well made as almost all swiss guns) light machine gun . Based on the role of the german FG42 it was supposed to do everything from acurate fire to suppress fire, plus launching light and heavy carrots of doom 😃. A truly universal combat weapon. At least with his heavy weight it was keeping the troops in shape.
Love from France dear swiss cousins.
@@BurntPlaydoh Yes but Stgw. 57 literally means Sturmgewehr 57 which translates to Assault rifle 57. Even in the French part of Switzerland it’s called the Fass 57 or Fusil d’assaut 57.
That's right, apart from the fact that it's a bit long and heavy by today's standards, it's still a weapon where you'd rather stand behind the shooter than in front of him. If you consider that it doesn't stop at 300 meters and that it can actually also serve as a light machine gun, you can see what this weapon can do. Personally, I find the feeling when shooting with the StGw 57 to be particularly special, you really notice what is in this weapon (and the beloved winter trigger, which the StGw 90 unfortunately no longer has).
Interesting mod for the Pz 68 to look like a T-72 - never seen before!
holy crap - the recoil on those rifle grenades.
that wasnt recoil. thats whats called a "shoulder injury"
This is how me and my childhood friends thought we looked like playing ‘war’ when we were like 8!
In childhood, a man told us off for that. I suspect he had seen the reality.
I'm glad to see they're still using that 106 mm recoilless rifle.
May be considered a little obsolete by that time but it's still packed one hell of a punch against armour when it hit.
Especially with upgraded tandem munitions.
Recoilless rifles are not in use any more and the calibre was 10.6 cm.
At that time the prime antitank weapon was the Dragon with the recoilless rifles being replaced with the Piraña vehicles coming in line with the TOW guided missile, I think the final switch happened towards the late 1980s.
As for antitank weaponry the 12cm mortar was considered also using a radar guided round capable of independent targeting capacity made in Israel.
We did run some tests on this, was part of the team, but then they decided against the purchase of the ammunition.
@@Braun30
Thank you for taking the time to type all that.
I was commenting as if it was 1985.
Just like the title of the video suggests.
I didn't think this was filmed last Tuesday.
But you bring up some interesting things anyway.
@@Braun30
And thank you for the correction.
106mm it is.
Only the British used 120mm
it seems.
20:30----damn, that was close!!! (much luck by the infantry man...or skill of the tank driver, guess we never 'll know)
He was probably playing dead but realized the tank was too close, so he moved out of the way quickly. Chances are the Driver didn't see him because of how close he was.
@@202reece5 Yeah, working with AFV is always risky. Seen a couple of nasty accidents during my service time...
Kompani 2/86. Ich bin dabei gewesen 1985. Alles echt
Looking at this two years after it was uploaded. After the 80s the Swiss army has adapted, well, downsized from ~600k soldiesrs to around 120k. If we look into Ukraine the enemy hasn't so much. Trench warfare is the theme again, something unimaginable in the 2000s. Back when the movie was recorded the doctrine was basically all about fighting the USSR. What a back flash, when I look into Ukraine.
Can remember this time very clearly. Did my basic training in 1984 in Romont (Motorized Infantry with the BB74 anti tank weapon). Luckily I was a motorbike driver and didn’t see so much infantry action 🤪
waffenplatz drognens?
@@bambam144 Genau!
Just prior to WW2 a German officer asked his Swiss counterpart;
'How many troops could you mobilize if we invade your country?'
"Half a million within two days".
'And if we invaded with a million troops?'
"We shoot twice and go home ..."
Why invade???
The cooperation was good with the german neutral friends❤ like swiss, swedish, spanisch, portugiese, etc.
I forgot the Liechtenstein 👍
the "enemy" seams to carry the WF Bern C22 StGw90 candidate - very rare
I just asked that question. Now I'm goeing to google that rifle. Thanks!
Was looking in the comments to see if anyone else noticed that! Looks like this training video was used as a part of the trials of the program.
i thought a galil at first but yes C22 seems right
In the mid 80s my regiment was acting as the “Infantry Demonstration Battalion” down on Salisbury Plain, we would provide troops for course’s coming through the School Of Infantry, both friendly & enemy, including troops for the skill at arms courses & such like.
We would also test & demonstrate new equipment & weapon systems coming through & make films such as this, on a slightly smaller scale, showing how the new kit would fit into a battle plan etc
Funny how at around the 21:00 mark you see the "enemy" seems to be armed with W+F C42 prototype assualt rifles...
I was really hoping to see some 3rd line grandpa with his K31 wrecking dudes at 600m .
I was trying to figure out how they had an AH-1 attack helicopter, but looking closely I think it's an RC model, which is hilarious
Another great bit of film.... the Swiss army has the most spectacles wearers I have ever seen and some very dodgy hair cuts too. I would never attack a country dfended by cheese eating maths teachers!
hahah that was funny.
"cheese eating maths teachers" why is this so accurate XD
Long hair is tolerated in the Swiss Army and has been for decades. Remember, it is an army of militiamen / part-time soldiers who are called up for 3 weeks at a time and do normal civilian jobs the rest of the year. The rule is simply that the hair must not touch the collar. If you have long hair, you can tie it up or wear a hair net. I once saw a Swiss Army sergeant who had a huge bunch of dreadlocks tied up in a giant bun on top of his head, yet somehow still managed to place his helmet on top of that!
Math Teachers are/were the problem of the Swiss army, they made the army into a kinder-garden, to many teachers got into Officer positions which used to teach kids and suddenly should lead grown men in battle, some of this teachers were simply miserable incompetent Sobel-Like officers. The best officers in this Milice Army are Business and Trades-People with a practical approach to life and being used to lead people in their own entreprises at their expenses.
@@jurgbangerter1023 I agree. I did my Service in 2014 and we had different company commanders throughout our time in the army. The one I respected the most was a banker who knew how to lead with the necessary discipline mixed with the understanding of our company's morale. I know Since Armee 95 the army hasn't been like before, but he gave me hope that there still are officers thatr can lead their men competently in a real life battle.
I don’t think there is anyone dumb enough to invade them. The Swiss are badass and they know it.
Ну Суворов со своей Армией по-видимому этого не знал...☝️😉😁😁😁
@@user-mx2sv1xq2isuworov only trespassed switzerland we where not worried
You get to see “ alpenflauge “ actually work !
Armed neutrality.
When I was in Switzerland 🇨🇭 in 1985 they could call up 250,000 fully armed citizen soldiers in 24 hours.
Every able bodied male between 18 & 50 had the Switzer Gehwehr fully automatic machine gun at home with a sealed pack of ammunition.
In the early 1980s the mobilisation capacity was 680'000 men, reduced dramatically with armee 95 by cancelling the Landsturm age category (43 to 52 years of age).
@@Braun30Volkssturm klingt besser als Landsturm 😜
fun fact: the M83 (aka TAZ 83) camo was originally made for the german army in Czechslovakia during WWII, and it was put to service in 1945 for the SS, it stayed in use for Czechslovakia during the communist regime, and during the first exercise the soviets got scared as they thought that they've run into remained waffen-SS forces (which reportedly held out till 1949-50), so they ordered the czechs to change camo, they changed camo and sold it to the swiss army, what they used until 1993.
@@carradio2011 yeah, when i first saw their camo i also thought it's familiar from somewhere :D
that story is utter bullshit
Alternative theory: it also closely resembles the experimental "European Army"/European Defense Community camouflage patterns, dropped in 1954. This would explain the introduction of the Swiss Zelteinheit 55, followed by the Kampfanzug 61.
Note that the camouflage pattern here used here is basically a 1955 pattern (there is no official designation per se). The simplified pattern used on the Tarnanzug 83 was introduced ca. 1983 as the name suggests.
@@tavish4699 the exercise part probably, idk, some older man told me this, but the "it was used by the SS" is not, they used it in the last months of the war
Please do your research about "Leibermuster" . Specifically about the companies: Hellmut Leiber und Schlieper + Baum.
This camouflage pattern is based on research and development from 1937 by Professor Johann Georg Schick
I really like this one. This helps a lot with my learning of military strategy
They should of stuck with the alpenflage definitely one of the coolest camos ever invented.
yo that dude that fell down dramaticly at 20:35 and then nearly had his legs run over by a tank :D
Quand tu roules dans la campagne tu vois plein de granges, de fermes. Ce sont des décors qui abritent des postes de combat en blockhaus.
Les lignes droites des routes servent à faire décoller les avions.
Les montagnes sont creuses et abritent des tanks et des canons. D'un seul coup tu vois la montagne bouger et des trappes s'ouvrent avec la gueule des canons qui apparaît.
Bref il y a tout un pays qui est prêt à accueillir un éventuel visiteur indésirable.
Il fut un temps. À bon entendeur....
I collect Swiss military surplus. It is neat seeing some of the gear in this production. It is very good, tough quality gear but heavy.
I love how theyre speaking german and its being translated to french
First: As a swiss I was in service from 1980 until 1996 and in the 80ies it was usual to have a great maneuver like this. But this is a film! In realitiy it was very different from what you see here.
The acting is gold! Continue the perfusions! 👍👍👍🇨🇭
Absolutely brilliant! Thanks for the video nothing more 80's then this!
Thats what I call a WELL REGULATED MILITIA.
Came here for the Stgw-57, stayed for the vintage aesthetic.
Su uniforme camouflage es único, país nunca invadido por los nazis, fortaleza de montañas, tropas de alta montaña,etc, saludos de Arica chile.
Ca bien changé, a présent en suisse on a des chars leopard 2,des piranha, des FA18 et prochainement des FA35 ,deja en 1995 quand j ai fait mon armee beaucoup de choses avait changè comparer au film comme les fusils fass90 tandis que sur le film c est des Fass57,mais film tres intéressant sur mon magnifique pays la 🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭♥️
When you think of it swiss arent joking if theyre gonna go defensive against nato and warsaw forces.
Another great video. Thanks you Dale for the English subtitles.
A martial aesthetic that establishes and solidifies the bridge between two seemingly disparate concepts, as though to affirm that the artist and warrior are indeed a synergy.
I wanted one of those Swiss rifles ever since I saw “On Her Majesty’s Secret Service!”
If the Swiss Army and Air Force were to join NATO, and the EU Military Forces, Russia would be worried. From a Former Marine and Soldier.🇺🇸🇨🇭🗡️⚔️🛡️💣💥🇪🇺🇺🇳
Thank You, I enjoyed this film 👍
Nice to see the W+F SG E22 «Weize» GP80 (6.45 x 48mm XPL Swiss) prototipe 😊
It's got more action than most movies
My father always had a pair of those protective goggles in his workshop, as a kid I used to try them on and they are the most uncomfortable thing you can imagine. Now I know where they come from... 😄
Très bon film d'instruction. Typique de la période guerre froide avec un engagement de haute intensité sur un ennemi immédiatement identifiable.
Les grenades a fusil sont elles toujours d'actualité ?
@@collectionneur111 L'ancienne grenade a fusil a dû progressivement disparaître du paysage avec l'adoption du fusil d'assaut SIG 550 en calibre 5.56. Le nouveau lance grenade modèle 97 se situe désormais sous l'arme comme sur le M203 américain et tire une munition standart adaptée.
Merci de vos précisions :)
@@collectionneur111 je vous en prie!
@@collectionneur111
Il fallait avoir une bonne paire de gonades masculines pour les tirer en trajectoire tendue : 90 kilos de recul sec.
Wow, this is like part 3 of Steiner: The iron cross
The new Arma 3 DLC looks great 👍🏻
Those Swiss..even their War Movies are great!
Yeahhhhh new vid! Hope to see more of this!
17:04 my god look at the big lick of flame out of the launcher after the missile fires!
I love this Military stuff. Especially the panzer schreck lookalikes.
@@DaletheStgwDude Belgian RL-83 Blindicide (sic!) build by Mecar SA. I did fire a lot of ÜRak (Übungsrakete), but I discover later it was from Belgium
I love because they show how "mundane and boring" most of the military work is, not like in movies. Position, entranching, depot, communication (even if it's a bit cranky and cliché here on how the officiers think it should be done)
It's crazy how all the equipment in this film looks like some bizarre alternate history where the Wehrmacht survived the 2nd world war and lasted into the late 20th century.
The APCs all look like MOWAG prototypes borrowed for the film. They are using the same three or four in each segment probably to represent Soviet BTRs just as the Pz61/68 are representing T-54/55/62 Tanks. At that time the Swiss had their Infantry basically in trucks and their Grenadiers in modified M113s armed with a 20mm cannon in a one man turret at the front on the right, the same as used on Swedish APC of the time.
They are using the "bridge too far" method of body kits on old/friendly/whatever tanks to simulate. Red Dawn had the most realistic fake soviet Armor of 80's film IIRC.
I was a extra in the 1979 MOWAG publicity clip for the Piraña, filmed at the Rossboden training ground in Chur.
I hated it, sitting in this vehicle running around and then getting to bounce out of the thing when the door came down.
Wonder where those clips went, I never saw anyone of them.
Trop fier de mon pays ! Vive la Suisse 🇨🇭 ❤
Probably I never will find out why war machines and stuff are so beautiful and fascinating dispite war as a social event is a horrible thing.
Da war ich noch voll dabei. Adj Uof a.D. Füs Bat 32 Rgt 15 gen. die Emmentaler
Aufgrund der Ausrüstungen dieser Leute, kann der Film nicht älter als 1977 sein. Es zeigt also den Stand der Armee am Ende der 70-er, anfangs 80-er Jahre. Damals hatten wir noch eine brauchbare Armee, dem ist leider heute nicht mehr so.
Correct, the film is dated 1985.
80s Switzerland - inspiration for Games Workshop to create Rogal Dorn and Imperial Fists.
Made it in 1980 as PzGren…. And yes the maneuvers at that time were impressive! If only the Stgw would not have been 7-8 kg….
Good old GP11 ammo! (7.5mm Swiss, every round is match grade)
I want to buy Swiss Army Knife right now! Immediately!!!!
Nice hit on that Cobra with this fondue panzerschreck
ah, rost und grünspan :D many thx for uploading and greetings from füsbat 4/33 ret.
It is 2021 and the phone he is installing on that tree at 9:37 is still in service in the Swiss army
If it ain't broke...
How high is the tree now?
Das waren noch Zeiten inf RS 204 Liestal 1986 👍👍💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
SOS... Sichterä oder Seltisberg! 1986, da war ich auch in der Frühlings RS. Erinnerst du dich noch an den Adj. Schmoll? DAS war eine Nummer 😉.
Hey jo dr schmoll i bi im zug Zollinger gsi die beremti kampfbahn 🙃🙃👍👍💪
Zollinger? Dä Kadi Ledergerber und Fäldi en Russ... Avrilenko? Ech doch au!
@@patrickbrun5830 jo uns hetr gfickt wägem Zimmer aber är e mega puff in siem zimmer 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
WHEN WE WERE STILL BADASS
The hills are alive with the sounds of 0:09
Ну вот, 1985 год уже называют "винтаж".
Вроде, это недавно было.
Так и проходит жизнь
This is the training protocol of every healthy Swiss man once they turn 20 years of age (in the 1970's/80's) as part of their Recruiting Time (4 months) and repetitive courses each year of 3 weeks until they've done 8 courses. After that every second year for 2 weeks until the age of 40(?). It's a militia army like the Israelis and only homeland defence (or Blue Helmets).
I'm pretty sure that the soldiers had a lot of fun that day.
J'étais mitrailleur en 1985. Quand je vois le mitrailleur changer le canon sans le gant, je me dis que cette mitrailleuse n'a pas tiré sinon sa main serait complètement brûlé. Un de mes camarades a fait ça et il n'avait plus de peau dans la main......
Got some serious Airwolf vibes from the intros fancy 80s music and aerial camera shot!😂
That camo pattern looks sick.
What really drew me in were the splinter helmet covers
Earlier version had better background music. This one’s cheesy sub- porno grade synth pop . Should’ve had Yello do it , they were around at this time.
Swiss Infantry was a brand back then.
I thought i wouldnt need the subtitles- then i saw and heard French. I default expect official communication from CH government sources to be German.
Dale vous avez accès au Service Suisse Cinématographique des Armées pour avoir tous ces films ? Si vous avez des films sur l'aviation je serais preneur. Dans les années 80 il y avait une démonstration tactique de l'aviation pour l'ensemble des troupes pour montrer leur emplois. Sur la place de Buhr je crois me souvenir. N'étant pas une démonstration publique les minima de sécurités étaient bien moins élevés que lors de traditionnel meeting aérien, c'était vraiment spectaculaire !
Bro this has a bigger budget then most war movies
Where did you get this from? Thanks for sharing!
0:21
Man that recoil must have made him broke his arm
I dig the cammo colors. I'm a big fan of orange.
It’s more of a dark red, the colors are a bit faded in the film
These unuforms were used by a stranger spanish unit in the batle of berlin, "Die Skerra Unit"
8:40 thats some math rock right there
a shame that none of these dressed up Pz 61s have survived to the present day
at least a lot of the Piranhas have. some of them are in the museum in Full