"Feels Betrayed" - Did Pippen BACKSTAB Jordan? Stephen A. Smith Reveals Rift
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I’m from Djibouti and when I was a kid around 8-11, I knew Jordan, Tyson and Ali but never saw what they looked like! You won’t imagine how big and well known those dudes are outside of the 🇺🇸 US. Legends man
Dang that's crazy. Really shows how big they are
As a Rwandan I would say the same thing. Most of us Africans grow up playing football and don’t really care about basketball until you go to high school. But all I can say is that Jordan is bigger than the NBA itself. We all knew him just like Jackson, Bob Marley, Mandela, MLK, Obama.. they changed the fate of how the world looks at black people. I could add Tupac in there.
That 1992 dream team changed the landscape in terms basketball appreciation and Jordan was considered as the King
To be fair they were the only ones known outside USA.
And that was before social media! Imagine now.
Its been nearly 3 decades and they are still studied and revered... The impact Jordan and that Bulls team had is truly remarkable.
Yeah but when they talk about LeBron it's "he's got them on the payroll". The double standards are crazy
@@sheltondmello8031Nick Wright isn’t on the payroll? 🤔
@@rahiemthomas5617 SAS and Wilbon haven't been paid for decades 🤔
33 is message from god - ✝️⚕✡🕉♏🆓️🆗️
@@alexanderletzing6705
You really think MJ needed to pay sports commentators like lebron?
6 rings 2️⃣ three peats
6️⃣Finals MVPs is all the promotion you need
Michael Jordan is the most legendary basketball player of all time.
Bingo. Some may be able to debate the best of all time, but it is clear who is the most legendary.
True….you can add legendary asshole too! Both are facts
Yeah Mike may not have been the best all around basketball player but definitely the GOAT. Nobody had his drive, will to win, or killer instinct.
Easily. It’s not even close.
@@Brando-UKI agree with you but I can also argue he was the best overall player ever. If you look at Offense, defense, killer instinct, motivation. He has the record for the most blocks and steals in a season. Most physically gifted? Definitely not. That’s easily LBJ
The Jordan and Barkley roasting each other in Opera is a classic 🤣🤣🤣
What
What are you talking about
@@TL2354 look it up. Duh
@@TL2354 Oprah*
@@debo6012 Look it up, its a classic!
Like this might be one of the best interviews Stephen a Smith has given. So kudos to PBD!
me too i don't care for stephen a when he's almost yelling but this has been interesting and i could watch /listen to this stephen a
I don't think Jordan showed Pippen in a bad light in the documentary at all.
Both Jordan and Pippen had their own stubborn personalities and delusions.
Both made considerable money, but Jordan was hyped to be the better player, which is solely on the media and the public who are told what to celebrate and what to think. Chicago had their cash cow.
@@thediscerningfoxit’s true but Jordan was hands down the better player
@@thediscerningfoxThat sounds exactly like LeBron James 🤔
I think it just showed the facts, Pippen made some bad decisions that he didn't realize the impact would still resonate so many decades later
Some people just can't say "looking back now I can make different decisions, but at that time I was still that young guy who had to make it the best way I knew how" that's all he needs to say really
I didn't think so either. I gave him the highest compliment of "Greatest teammate ever"
Every "side chick" thinks she should be the Prom Queen!
Well said
Scottie couldn't do it without MJ
Lmao 💯 or they're 8s
@@ksedillo2233and MJ didn’t and couldn’t do it without Pippen.
You do know Jordan is 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen,right?
Tempesoldier123, and you do know that Mike, has always gave Pip, his props and respect so what the hell is your point? Also, you do know hopefully you do that Pip, is NO DAMN JORDAN…that’s in my SAS VOICE!!!!
I’m 46 years old,Gen X, and I have been lucky enough to see MJ,Kobe and LeBron play live. I’m from Phoenix and I was at the two home games we had against the Bulls in 1993 when they beat us,The Suns,in the 1993 NBA finals. It was amazing to see MJ do what he did. The Suns had a great team also. Barkley,KJ(Kevin Johnson,Dan Marjerle,Tom Chambers,Cedric Ceballos. We got to the finals for a reason but it just wasn’t enough to beat the Bulls. I moved to Los Angeles in 1997 and my good friend had season tickets to the Lakers and I went to the 2000 finals and got to see Kobe play and it was Frobee at the time. I also got to see James play a few times live but there was nothing like watching MJ play. When Allen Iverson talked about when he first seen MJ come out on the court his rookie year AI said that he seen an aura around Mike. Seeing Mike in person was like seeing some sort of God or something. It didn’t seem real. To me MJ will always be the greatest player of all time. MJ did so much for the sport of basketball. Yes basketball was popular but nothing like what it became worldwide because of Mike. Everyone wanted to “Be like Mike”. I think that Pippen,who was my second favorite player growing up,was wrong with going after Mike like that. We all know that MJ was the star of the Bulls franchise and Scottie was his wingman. That 72-10 Bulls team with Rodman was the best team to ever play the game of basketball in my opinion.
Help me out… I saw an MJ dunk over a Suns Barkley that was wicked, but never have found a replay. MJ was up top on the left, drove in the lane, Barkley was on the right block, went to the front of the rim to try and defend, both met chest-to-chest in mid-air… Jordan reached over Barkley and jammed it as he went through Barkley and knocked him on his back under the basket.
Jordan hung on the rim with Barkley on his back looking up as Jordan looked down…
Jordan dropped, split his legs so not to land on Barkley, switched his foot position over a decked Barkley and ran up the court.
Barkley picked himself up off the court and jogged down on offense shaking his head…
Do you remember what game that was?
That might the best power dunk I’ve ever seen. Jordan mashed Barkley like a rag doll, and Barkley was a tank!
He went right through and over him… not around him.
I was really only a bulls fan. I loved watching MJ play live. All the championships was something special because you know MJ would deliver. And when Rodman was on team you was double excited pushing him screaming at tv “yea baby get that rebound!” lol. And playing against Shaq being excited when he got 5 fouls cause he had to sit out playing against Bulls. Man what a time. After Jordan retired first time, game wasn’t the same to me. I stopped watching basketball. Idk that era was special. The dream team, I mean come on. It was OV for everyone.
@@wellnesspathforme6236that dunk was against the sixers, when Barkley still played for them.
Suns had 3 home games vs the Bulls
@@TL2354 I went to two of them
Irony: Horace Grant wearing Jordan’s on stage while on that “revenge” tour 😑🤦♂️😂
cloassic lol lol :) too funny
Scottie Pippen down bad right now. It all started with him not feeling like he got the love he deserved in The Last Dance. Then, MJ's son started dating his ex wife. Last I heard, he literally about to go on a tour to talk about MJ being overrated. Been a rough few years for him lol.
MJ’s son dating Pippen’s ex wife is a bigger L
I hope the best for Scottie Pippen.
Not his fault his wife’s a ho. That’s not a loss on him just proves he was right getting a divorce.
Dating? Lil Mikeis trying to marry her! LoL. 😂😂😂 So let's see MJ is about to be those twins step Grandpa. And they gonna be calling Marcus pops. Oh lord that's the biggest L ever.
Sure all those things contributed to it but his oldest son also passed in his early 30s and that can turn a person resentful esp
Scottie is the walking personification of the word "bitterness"
Jordan never asked anything of his teammates that he wasn't willing to do himself. Jerry Krause took Scottie purely off of measurables and seeing high potential.
It was Michael and Phil who brought that potential to reality.
Jordan,Pele and Ali were the Icons i know had retired yet i heard about their greatness when i was in 8s.
When I first read this comment, I read "Jordan Peele". ha ha ha ...I was like ... hmmm ... and then ahhh - Jordan ... and Pele` ... and Ali ... now it makes sense ...
As an English man not knowing too much about Basketball. I didnt know who Pippen was until The Last Dance. We all know MJ over here. That says it all.
Exactly that 💯
Thats like not knowing who Robin is to Batman... you don't need to know a lot about basketball to know that...good lord, you live under a rock.
@@super_tomtendo No body cares about Scottie Pippen outside of the US or NBA fans. Get over it😂
You know what? I know Pélé but I can’t name one other player that even played in his era. I’m in Canada. We’re the anti-soccer country. This guy has a good point!
Contrast with the NBA. We’re a B-ball country. I can name the entire Bulls roster from Jordan’s era.
@@intellivisionmaster7999 Maradona?
The Scottie and Michael comparison is as dumb as John Lennon and McCartney. They both did it together.
McCartney died and was replaced 😂
They didn't always do it together like that. Jordan was always Batman. Pippen was sometimes Robin...and sometimes he was Alfred.
No. At the time Jordan was playing, he was 3x better than any other player in the history of the game. Pippen was his wingman. He was an all-star for sure. But take any all-star and replace him with Pippen and Jordan still wins 6 titles. Jordan wasn’t an all-star. He was 3x better than anyone else in the league. When Jordan retired for good, Pippen took the leader role. The Bulls were still good, but “ouch” Pippen could not fill Jordan’s shoes leading a team. Not even close.
@@intellivisionmaster7999 First of all saying that any player is 3x better than another is laughable. Secondly, Pippen and the Bulls team were essential to Jordan's success. I went to their games during that time and if Jordan was playing for the Bucks or Washington (which I did see him play for in his last year and they blew) he would not have been the same hero.
@@JustinCase780 you’re right! He didn’t dominate in playoff wins until his team was stacked. That’s 100% true. But the man knew how to finish off a playoff basketball game like no-one else then or since. It was more than just his abilities. Arguably, the most clutch pro athlete of all time. That was his best trait.
Regarding the contract/money Pippen is said to be bitter about. For context, Michael Jordan earned 96M in salaries playing for the Bulls. 63M OF HIS SALARY CAME FROM HIS LAST TWO SEASONS, before that Jordan was paid, on average, of around 3M per season since his rookie year till 1996.
A LOT of his contemporaries with contracts signed before NBA blew up were in the same situation so it's not only him whofelt they "didn't get paid" enough, he just got the worst end of it because he signed the longest contract.
Dennis R played a big giant roll with the last 3 championship with Jordan and Pippen.
He was key to their championships.
Yup and MJ even said he was the real MVP in those titles
Fascinating conversation!
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Jealousy is a men worst enemy.
“man’s”
Please learn to type correctly.
💯
No one is jealous of anyone, the bulls did pip dirty.
It was nice to hear Stephen A Smith not talking hyperbolic bullsh#t for once
Stephen A Smith Has Never Missed A 3 ❤
Stephen goes to the Diddy parties 😂
I Love the interview PBD you brought the beat out of Stephen A
Jordan never said he would've never won a ring without Pippen. He said "I've never won a championship without Scottie" SAS is not good friends with MJ
sas never passes up an opportunity to say he knows jordan well. i have a feeling jordan "tolerates" sas, rather than them being close friends.
Watch the last dance
Mj gives him invites and sources so Stephen a has to boost him as the goat
@@user-mm7ro6ps2iMJ is the goat irrespective of whether SAS boosts him or not
Then why did stephen a Smith literally use to say lebron is and will be further more the goat back in the day until he got into a dispute with lebron and cut him off
💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥🔥 MJ is the greatest of all time I love everything about him as a player Business man a winner like magic and took the NBA to another level, Michael Jordan took it even higher my favorite player of all time I love Michael Jordan
Jordan has his brand and logo on official NBA and NCCA Jerseys and his shoes are still popular. Pippen is selling popcorn and a Whiskey brand you still havent heard of. Imagine being Jordans #1 teammate for a decade and choose to badmouth him instead of being humble and capitalizing on it.
Nice! I learned a lot
Patrick this was AWESOME!!
Heavy is the head that wears the crown 👑
I watched the Last Dance Last night. It was good. I didn’t care for Scottie. I never followed Scottie. He did M.J. Dirty. Hope he rights his wrongs one day. Loved M.J. he was and is a class act. Kobe is our #1 R.I.P. Kobe 💙💛
Not saying Scottie is right or anything but if you watched the last dance of course you didn’t care for Scottie the whole thing was about Jordan
Mj a class act? 🤣🤣🤣 Jordan is a dick
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Pippin shouldnt speak ill of a man that was murded while asleep in his car
I remember watching Michael Jordan playing for Hoggard vs The Cougars
"We have had many conversations off the air that I will never say because I don't violate trust like that."
He then goes and tells us the conversation he had with Jordan on the phone about Scottie not giving condolences. Lol, you can't make this 💩 up
Worry Not The Universe is Watching And Listening '- God Is Great
Love Stephen A. Smith's answer.
I love the bring execs to watch the last dance by PBD
Michael Jordan was a “brand” but also a huge athletic star not just in the US but around the world when I was growing up in the late 80s and 90s.
The US Olympics Dream Team were like the Gods of Basketball.
Scottie Pippen’s jealousy and bitterness is kind of understandable but I think over time you should get over this and think about the things you did gain and rekindle the good side and positives of your past relationship with Michael Jordan rather than trying to disown it and try to create another narrative because you have some negativity in you about Jordan.
The sad thing is that Pipoen’s OCD about Jordan prevents him from relishing his own incredible ability and contribution to an amazing team. All memories should be joyful… instead of negative drama.
yep this was awesome
Great job David.
Excetra excetra lmao
Scottie is one of the basketball players of all time
Luc Longley? Center from Australia. Went to New Mexico
How much more credit can someone get if Micheal himself said he wouldn't have won any of those six rings without Pippen
Wanting to be remembered as the greatest and actually thinking you are the greatest, are two different things.
MJ GREATEST OF ALL TIME 🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🎉 💯
I’m 39yrs, and only watched NBA for several years as a kid. Just a fluke that a I watched the best years of the goat MJ with the bulls.
I remember an all star game where MJ shot the free throw, and rushed in on the rebound and dunked it…. I was amazed! 💎
I appreciate a intelligent guest
Scotty Pippen is notoriously a terrible tipper. He outright won’t tip after his food or drinks. Everyone in Chicago knows this. This is telling of his character.
They say the same thing about MJ.
Barkley said MJ is just outright cheap and stingy in general!
That’s just how most people who weren’t born rich are, regardless how rich they become.
Maybe he has limited cash and may go short for gas uf he would tip. 🤔
Tipping isn't a must tho
Lol log of the internet man
Not forget Scottie's Ex wife is/was dating Marcus Jordan...
Yah, that has to have something to do with the rift. How could Michael let his son do that? That's a character reveal.
@easymoney7007 His son is a grown ass man. It's not his job to control his adult son's life.
it's crazy how those bull's teams just seemed unstoppable i watched alot of those playoff's and finals as a kid to me it's like the NE PATS with tom b all those years both teams you knew always had a chance to be in the playoffs every year before the season even started because of players jordan and brady were that good
That last part about Tomlin resonated with me in a real way.
I was there, it was a wonderful - those guys were in the clubs after the games, but I never saw Jordan hanging out at regular places that I went to.
The Last Dance is one of the few shows I've watched twice....
I genuinely enjoyed listening to Steven A when he’s not going on his purposeful rants for espn
I stopped liking Stephen A after the whole Max Keller thing and him bringing up race whenever he deemed helpful to him. But man, this interview really showed his talent, bravado, and wisdom. You won me back, Stephan A! Keep this realness. Don’t give into the media culture.
Katt Williams got everyone talking like this now 😂
It’s not Scottie Pippen, it’s Scottie “Trippen”
There will never be another basketball player as talented and physically gifted as jordan he did it all on the court and had a killer instinct like no one else and he thrived under pressure~ - kobe was pretty close so was bird and magic , if lebron would have played in the jordan era he would have been compared to karl malone he would have been an allstar for sure jordan may have wanted to get him on the bulls , but he never would have beaten jordan in the finals - also great interview with Stephen A . Nice to not hear him screaming..
Kobe was better
Michael J and Scottie P are the Chicago Bulls main men during those Championship runs along with their many teammates. They are great in their own way.
PBD, man o man, if you could get MJ on, it would be epic. As a Yankee owner, you might have a chance.
Great interview. Was going to skip it. Glad I didn't. Liked truth of: "Mom votes Democrat at the polls but is Conservative at home" So true in the black community.
Is it jealousy? You remove Pippen Chicago gets someone else and win championships. You remove Jordan Chicago is any other nba team. But of course championship team need to build a team around a great player
I prefer this vibe from SAS.
I’m from Chicago and I went to clubs where Scotty went to and grew up watching Mike.
MJ was portrayed as a bully in The Last Dance - so it wasn’t like the doco had glowing references to MJ.
It was meant to show The Bulls journey and how it started with MJ 🤦♂️ can’t see why this is so hard to understand for people 🤷♂️
Exactly
There are two GOATS, Michael Jordan and Stephen A. Smith
Bird and Jordan are clearly the best players ever, forget magic, forget any of the modern players.
Toni hit that shot though didn’t he.
Also a mane reason MJ doesn’t do many interviews is just like Michael Jackson, they know their worth monetarily and know over saturation of your presence on camera, interviews, etc makes your value go down. If you stay out of lime light, then people miss you and so when they do agree to an interview, or appearance it’s MASSIVE and they can ask for more money. Fact
Did we watched the same documentary as Pippen? MJ absolutely showed love and respect.
“Republicans buy sneakers too” - MJ
Pippen saying he was better than Jordan is like Dwayne Wade saying he was better than Lebron. Great is not the same as all-time great.
you might want to rewatch that first finals run before you say that
Jordan would have never left the Bulls to try and team up with Magic, Bird, or anyone else. He weathered the tough years in Chicago until they built a team around MJs strengths and then went and got 6 rings.
@@Saffe1978 Fair point, but it's hard to argue that Wade was a better NBA player than Lebron.
@@Brando-UK I agree. I'd take Jordan over Lebron without question.
Not the same. Not the same. Should I say it again? Over and over?
So Stephen A. Can talk without shouting 🤔?
Stephen A crushed the last 3 minutes
Gold
Here's what I think about the Pippen and Jordan feud.
I think back when he was drafted Pippen was molded into a player whose ceiling was never going to exceed the likes of Jordan, usually a player like Pippen was coached to eventually be the predecessor, but no one was ever going to take over unless Jordan retired or left. He was molded to be the Bulls second best player, a defensive stopper that in order for Jordan to win games, Pippen had to guard multiple players, and massage the other team mates to ignore the bullying from Jordan. Pippen did all the dirty work so Jordan could take all the credit. Case in point...Pippen would guard the other teams highest scoring player, Jordan got all those All Defensive Teams guarding the other teams PG. I'm not saying Jordan wasn't an elite defender, it's that Pippen knew what Jordan meant for the league and how important it was for Jordan to play 82 games, and could see that if he played his role they'd be champions. Jordan would guard Hersey Hawkins/Mo Cheeks, Mugsy Bogues, Spud Webb, Craig Ehlo, Doc Rivers, none of these guys were scorers. Pippen would take Glenn Rice, Jon Starks, Ron Harper, Dominque Wilkins, Larry Bird, and Charles Barkley.
I think after the Last Dance, the dude threw up his hands and was like "Bro, I basically made it possible for you to look as good as you did AND win championships, win MVP's and you gonna do me like that"??...I believe during the late 80's it was wildly known Jordan couldn't win championships while winning scoring titles. Pippen was never created to take over after Jordan left, I think he found this to be a great betrayal by all 3, Jackson, Jordan and Krause.
Jordan refused to score less i believe, it's the same thing that happened between Phil and Kobe, Odom. But Kobe actually agreed to pass the ball. I think his team mates feel they had to sacrifice shots, play defense, to win and Jordan get his points.
Successor* not predecessor
Interesting point about Pippen guarding the best player and jordan then getting better steal etc stats on the other opposition player.
@@patinho5589 agreed
@@patinho5589 Yeah, I just think he had expectations that he wasn't gonna get, Phil Jackson was never doing to let him take the final shots, and his assignments were always the other teams greatest player for the most part. It was by design to keep Jordan fresh, to sell tickets, to play 82 games. When Pippen was out in the Last Dance I think Jordan wanted to "rub it in" when he talked about his sacrifice to the team when he had to play point guard for those games Pippen was out. I think Pippen was thinking "Look pal, I've been making sacrifices for years for you, and you're gonna put that I'm selfish, and I'm not even good enough for the final shot of games?"
I'm not siding for Pippen, I just think there's both sides to the story. He could have butted heads with Jordan and took 15-20 shots a game and forced the Bulls to trade him. But he didn't and I think he feels owed for that.
Scottie Pippin rode the gravy train created by Tex Winters offense, Phil Jackson's perspective along with mental depth and Michael Jordan's physical abilities, mental toughness and killer drive to win
Pippin sat on the bench instead of playing it out when Toni Kukoc was called on for the game winning shot.
Any offense MJ ran would have looked great as long as it gave him freedom to do his best. I don't think the offense was better than others. MJ just made it great!
@@SULLYtheSojourner
interesting opinion that you have put forward.
Doug Collins' system didn't create a winner with Jordan. Why do you think that is?
@@WVF112469... Because the system Doug ran relied to heavily on Jordan. If the team wasn't making shots when they got their chances, screw em. Let Jordan handle that.
@@WVF112469... You also have to understand the Bulls switched coaches 4 times in Jordan's first 6 years.
@@ericjordan6059 seems like you missed the point, read the comment that I replied to.
Tex Winter's offense and Jordan as the absolute best player on the court created the Gravy Train Pippen rode into championships. Pippin's a weak minded and delusional old douchebag.
Babe Ruth, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan. That's it, those are the 3.
Scottie was a great player who made mistakes on and off the court but I’ll always remember him as a great champion. Respect all day.
I gotta feel for pippen
Barkley stole the show Oprah became more interested in asking him questions 😂 Best line from him was “All I got on is this cheap Jordan stuff” lol
lol Jordan can get a triple double any time he wanted
Why did he not then?
@@blade4174 cause he played in the triangle
@@RuinNationGaming and he won because of that right? when he was a ball hog he didn't win shit.
@@blade4174 He did. In 1989 he was getting triple doubles damn near ever game when he was playing the point.
@blade4174 usually how teams win long term...playing team ball...
Jordan is the goat period and what him so great is not only the skills and achievements but the heart he put in the game, the work ethic and his personality. That’s not even including his shoes and movie and other stuff.
SAS namedroppin like a champ.
Wait wasn't SA recently complaining about the contract he signed with ESPN/Disney and how he deserverd to be paid more??? This guy full is sh!t and nobody ever seems to call him out!
💯
MJ was on a legit super hero level back then. You had to have been there to understand...
An Mike Tyson then ... Best era of Mike's in then turning of a Century. Best so far !
Mj is the best player to ever step on a basketball court! ! Goat
Scottie just needs to STAY OFF THE WEEEEEEDuh
😂Scotties delusional
Robin, come on. Let Batman be Batman.
The thing that people ignore is that the documentary showed Scottie not going into the game but in real time MJ said Phil was wrong for that so imagine Scottie watching the documentary and seeing Mike saying something different.Then Mike said Scottie is only strong when you’re next to him.Like what kind of shit is that?
Could you imagine your boss making you go somewhere and watch some dumb sports series for two days because he has a hard-on for sports stars
In Contrast GOAT James has won or Competed for Rings wherever he has went , regardless of having All Star teammates , or having no Cheat Code Offense to aid him ..
Just the best of what Victor Conte could bring him
I'm a chew my teeth off...
Jordan HOF speech, not even 5 seconds in, right into Pippen's contribution to his legacy. Really not sure why Pippen has taken this route but we don't know the whole story I guess..
You aren't sure? You watch the doco? MJ spent episodes burying the teammate who made what his legacy is today. Yet you wonder why Scottie is salty? Lol
Pippen is the one who did not enter the game because of his selfishness.
Pippen is the one who intentionally did not play games in 98 because he was mad about his contract.
Pippen was the one who signed the contract even though the OWNER said not to sign it. When the guy who signs your checks tells you not to sign a contract because it's not good you should listen.
Pippen picked his wife who has embarrassed him over and over by cheating on him and messing with people like Jordan's son.
Pippen also signed that contract because he was already having back problems and remember Pippen was taking care of his family so he needed the financial security
Scottie Pippen will always be Jordan’s Sidekick
Scotty is stil bitter from that contract Jordan and his agent advised him not to take. He is not a smart guy.
Scottie has always been like this. Hes passive aggressive he would never say any of what he has said to Jordans face. Scottie was weak physically and mentally Jordan had to toughen him up. Stephen A knows everything i just said is fact we were both there to witness it.
True
Always be Steve,