Glenn Gould - Pt. 2: Inventor vs. Curator (On How Mozart Became A Bad Composer)
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- Part 2 of a light-hearted and humorous tribute from one musical genius to another. Glenn Gould had a somewhat mixed opinion of Mozart's music: while he was renowned for his interpretations of the works of Johann Sebastian Bach, his views on Mozart were not as consistently enthusiastic. Gould expressed reservations about the emotional expressiveness and the perceived emotional restraint in Mozart's music.
This unique-documentary is significant in several respects. It is the most sustained and pointed of his various public statements about his ambivalent feelings toward Mozart’s music. It marks the first time he let loose the comic side of his public persona on television and concludes with passionate performance of the K. 333 sonata, that up until now has never been released and differs significantly from his three other preserved performances of the work.
Video and audio have been completely restored from the broadcast master.
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«A 5 year old after a few weeks of theory lessons»… like a composer we all know🤭
GG has a very fine sense of humor , that it's difficult to understand for today people. Of course he is joking, he loves Mozart and Mozart music, too his late works. BUT, at the same time he is giving real reasons, not saying something without any reasoning about Mozart music. And the comparation with Beethoven is there for a reason. Mozart was a genius but he didn't developed all this gifts and his late works, though very good, could be seeing as dissapointing in comparation with Beethoven. If Mozart wouldn't die so young both composers would have lived at the same time, and Mozart's music seems childish in comparation with Beethoven music.
in fact, these are very harmless statements with more humor than malice, but people still hate GG for it. friends, just relax, this genius wanted to entertain you, not offend. yes, he really doesn’t like Mozart, but that’s just his opinion, which he presented in the form of excellent post-irony. There is far more hatred and disrespect in some people's reactions to Gould's words than in this video.
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Is it just me that gets the feeling that GG is trying really hard to keep a straight face on this?
Where is part 3?
I actually have a similar view but on Beethoven’s side. For me Beethoven climaxed with the Appasionata sonata, and while Gould gives a perfect example on the use of the musical device in the 5th symphony to create suspense, I feel in later works Beethoven over used this same device to the point it becomes comical, and it does indeed sound improvisatory, I can think quite a few of the later sonatas that suffer from this.
I’m not saying any of Beethoven sonatas after Appasionata aren’t good but they never quite reach the same heights of ecstasy and climax, not even Hammerklavier which is supposed to be Beethoven’s masterpiece, but I’d argue that sonata is quite a mess. Anyone is free to argue with me if they disagree.
Now, on Mozart’s side, I agree with Glenn, there is something quite magical about his earlier sonatas. Though I still think his later sonatas are charming pieces, they aren’t that impactful.
In which work did Beethoven use again anything like that in the example of the Fifth?
Beethoven's sonatas indeed had a clear shift following the climax of the early style that was the Appassionata, you can hear sonatas no. 24 and onwards sound nothing like the earlier Appassionata, Waldstein, Tempest sonatas etc. That doesn't mean they fell off in quality, they just went in a new direction. You can't make the same criticism that might be justifiable in Mozart in Beethoven; you're not meant to be looking for anything of the Appassionata (at least not of the 3rd movement) in the last op. 111 sonata for example, which is one of the most spiritually transcendental pieces of music ever written
Though I agree that the Appassionata is a monumental work not quite like anything which came after from Beethoven or anyone else.
LOUISIANE Dommage pas de traduction en français....☹
Now i have that strange drive listening to mozart again! ❤ Glenn Goulds elaborated view - i disagree with his whole argument, but agree that Early Mozart feels more fresh and experimental than later works. What he tries in later works, the romantic approach, instead of listening you can just go straight to beethoven
He talks like Rod Serling.
It's important to note that Mozart's criticism is a perfect way to balance her mood. 😅
Whose mood?
Je pensais que c'était une rediffusion ou quelque chose comme ça Glenn Gould était un asperger il jouait d'une façon magnifique il fera demain parfois presque en même temps ce qu'il était en train d'interpréter avec une vitesse complètement sidérante moi je l'ai quand même souvent entendu jouer du Jean-Sébastien Bach j'ignore complètement s'il avait une préférence pour Amadeus Mozart
@@annefrancoisepolonini6982 IL a parfaitement portrayed what Mozart etait 🤭
Maybe mozart wasnt the same after his daddy dued😢
Gould was a genius......talker
Maybe Mozart wasn't the same after his daddy died
this isn't about mozart. he is criticizing pop culture (and implicitly jazz) and the enjoyment derived from it
I respect GG as a pianist, but what he says about Mozart as a composer is just plain nonsense.
I do not insult dead people, even an idiot one.
GG is rightly seen as a phenomenon of the media. He played very few composers well! He was gr a tuition and selfserving with Bach style and he has no affinityw the English virginal school,hisMozart is weak,his Chopin a thought crime andthoughtless. I don't think anyone not even a street monkey has ever played minor sonata so thoughtlessly so unattractive so completely wrongheaded,hisStrauss just cuts it but the Burleske is humorless,h I sScriabin misinformed. His 2ndVienna school I don't know enough about to pass judgements on but I th a nk him for his advocacy.Others compel me to li s ten toSvhonberg concerto. Goulds way doesnot!
I have the greatest respect for Gould but to claim Mozart was not an "inventor" and only a "curator" in his late works is completely ridiculous. No other composer could make given the same "cliche" materials out of them anything near the genius of what Mozart accomplished, and obviously not all of his materials are cliche
Not to impugn Gould's *technical* argument, but I think I can sum it up succinctly... "Mozart was a flawed composer for the same reason Edison was a flawed inventor; he merely invented the incandescent light bulb but stopped short of inventing the OLED... shameful, really."
edison didn't invent that though he "got" the patent. In fact he had a great number of engineers working for him that did the real work.
What a nonsense. GG's attempt to be a musicologist.
No, Mozart did not become a bad composer, Gould just became more and more pretentious and I truly cannot stand the man. His music is full, dry and lifeless, and it’s never Bach or Mozart, it’s Gould plated like Bach or Mozart.
nice cliff notes of seymours opinion youve got there.
Then why are you here?
@@johnmulligan455same as me to remind ourself how NOT to think about music.
@@Johnwilkinsonofficialdo you think that Seymor was the one that started the hate on Gould? Do you think that musicians worldwide with at least 1% common sense did not realise that before him? I mean I don't know why Im asking you aperantly the Gould fanbase is a cult we must not there say anythi g about their pretentious god
@micoveliki8729 well perhaps watch something that will invigorate your soul