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He could have just said he was getting better. It's not uncommon to walk only short distances (like to the bathroom), while still spending most of your time in the wheel chair during recovery.
Exactly. If any of that story is true, which I highly doubt, then he should have told his fans. There's literally no reason not to do so other than wanting more money.
Imagine following him from start, laughing along with him, seeing the bright in his heart despite the horrible and unfair disability life has given him. And then he walks away
What really sucks about this situation is that often times people who need/use wheelchairs can actually stand and walk for short periods of time, it’s just that it’s extremely painful. It just fuels more disbelief and ableism towards other people in wheelchairs who actually need it
You think maybe we should get someone else to type up this same exact comment 37 or 38 more times? I don't think I understand after reading the last 49 comments saying the same thing.
I'm not defending this guy specifically, but I will say that there are plenty of people who can walk but require wheel chairs as mobility aids rather than their only way if getting around. So just the fact someone is a wheel chair user but is able to get up and walk away doesn't directly mean they don't need the wheel chair. Again though, I'm not defending this guy specifically, I'm just saying that this is a thing that happens and exists
Yeah. I sold wheel chairs and other medical equipment for a while and it’s more common for people to be partially dependent on a chair than totally connected at all times. It may not be like that everywhere but for my company it certainly was.
This !!! Exactly what I said. Not everyone is fully unable to walk. There are diseases and such that could make someone pass out and put them in danger. The person in this vid tho clearly was faking tho sine he didn’t state why he was in there
If he hadn’t immediately tried covering it up and lying about falling, things might have worked out better for him, tbh. Like, he should have come clean about his recovery from the start of the drama, and apologized for misleading his audience about the nature of his temporary disability. If he had said “I’ve actually been recovering for a while and am less dependent on my wheelchair than I was. I should have mentioned it to you guys before, and I’m sorry to have misled you” (or something along those lines), I’m sure he would have gotten SO MUCH more respect from everyone watching. I believe he’s telling the truth about it in the interview he did with Wavy, but lying about it when it happened was a terrible move on his part, and I hope he’s learned from the backlash.
Right? I have a few friends who can walk a little, but have to use a wheelchair to get any good distance. Glad he got caught though, wouldn't want him to scam more people out of their sympathy money.
I think it's important to point out not everyone with a wheelchair is completely unable to walk. Some can walk but only short distances or walking is painful. That being said, if this was the case, he probably wouldn't have lied about it saying he "fell." That was very obviously not a fall.
Yes, there are chronic and invisible illnesses that mean some people with said illness can walk but get tired and/or sore easier. Can also be days where said person can stand and walk around just fine, though it depends on the person, illness, conditions or severity.. He didn't fall you could see in his body language the way he faces to stand up, and that the chair doesn't move that much. You'd then hear a "thump" if he fell 😔 Wish people weren't like this -Edit, because I realised there's no audio (that's why there's no thump, lmao I had a dumb moment) However upon closer inspection, if you look at 3:09 in the fishtank you can see he walks off and doesn't fall over once, very steadily walked out of frame. My Apologies!
All he had to do was periodically explain to his viewers that he was undergoing physical therapy and he was slowly regaining use of his legs. Then he could have made getting out of his chair a big announcement.
I hate stuff like this, it perpetuates the idea that only people who have no function over their lower body ever need to use wheelchairs, and everyone else is faking. I often use a wheelchair, but I have full function over my legs, it's because I pass out when I stand up for too long. So many people think I fake because I can stand up, as long as I know I'm going to be walking a short distance and sit down again soon. It's so embarrassing to be harassed in public over it.
When I messed up my Achilles tendon I had to use crutches for awhile and could walk occasionally on it for a limited time. A girl in school made me out to be a liar because of that and said I was faking. I called her out in class and blessed her out and she stfu after crying about me hurting her. Like sorry not sorry you made me out to be something I wasn't.
Totally. I sometimes use a walker even though I wan walk fine--it's for a vision issue where my eyes sometimes read right as being straight ahead. I've walked into the street before because of that so the walker is there so I can literally slam on the breaks. And whenever someone who knows I use one sees me without it I'm always worried that they'll accuse me of faking it (though realistically if they tried I could just explain it to them but you know how people are)
@@donermonster2426 He was walking perfectly fine by the time he got caught on twitch. I don't doubt he was in a car accident and wasn't able to walk for about a year or so, but by the time he got caught on Twitch he was walking perfectly fine. He withheld information to continue to milk donations off gullible idiots with their parents credit cards.
the way he just naturally gets out of that wheelchair will never not be fucking hilarious to me. imagine being a longtime follower and fan of that guy and witnessing that moment live. What do you feel in that moment?
Shame and embarrassment at being duped, leading them to scream that "sometimes people in wheelchairs can walk sometimes! Ableist! Ableist!" In the comments of videos about it.
@kirakira Yeah but no one said that, ever. No one said that in the video that charlie watched, nor did he say it, nor are any comments saying it. The only people saying it are the people screeching and crying about how it's "albeist to think that people in wheelchairs cannot stand or walk". Literally no one else is saying that. You guys are seething and coping into the void for no reason.
@@giovannijj3408 this is not me trying to be rude or anything, I swear. But you may want to know that the word usage would be “I could not care less” not “I can/could” because saying you COULD care less denotes that you do indeed care.
just a reminder that just bc someone is in a wheelchair doesnt mean they cant walk or stand! plenty of people use a wheelchair bc it hurts to stand, can only stand for a limited time, or their walking is "messed up" and need assistance. and in this case, can also be slowly recovering from an accident but still needing an aid bc the legs have not been fully recovered yet.
I always feel so self-conscious simply crossing my legs when I’m in my wheelchair. I feel like people glare at me when I do that. Wheelchairs aren’t just for people who can’t walk!
I'm sure he was legitimately in the wheel chair for years as there'd be no reason to fake it prior to streaming. But he found out that people would donate to him because of the chair and wanted to make some money while only technically lying by omission. He knew what he was doing.
His disability was real. He was in the chair for 2 years. I believe he was using his disability for money and didn't want people to know he was capable of walking or did physical therapy. His biggest reget was not telling people about his condition. He overall just made his situations look really bad
It's sad because apparently he wasn't lying the whole time, he just failed to update his community with news of his improvement. Why, tho??? People love a good recovery story! He would have been more popular than ever! And the fact that he tried to gaslight his community afterwards, too... I feel sorry for him, but it's understandable why things happened the way that they did. :(
I remembered watching this in Twitch fail compilation couple years ago, can't say I care that much about the wheelchair guy but the excuse he gave honestly not good at all
There's a piece of this story that all the comments are missing, or only addressing half of the controversy. While it is true that there are disabled people who do not need a wheelchair at all times, and may need it for assistance for certain tasks or to make mobility easier, the issue is that he blatantly hid his recovery process for monetary gain. Money was pouring in through donations and subscriptions, and it was the crux of the growth of his channel. His girlfriend was in on the scheme as well. Why lie about falling? Why did the girlfriend make up a blatantly fabricated story to distract from the "miraculous" walking? The issue is not that he forgot to update his viewers. It's the intent behind it. Lying by omission is still lying. And using this facade for monetary gain is immoral.
Exactly. And when you say "all of the comments" you're hardly exaggerating, almost every comment is something along the lines of "some people in wheelchairs can walk". Who are these people who think "It's been said in 600 other comments but let ME shed light on the situation by saying the same thing"
How would she notice when there's stream delay Also I think there should be more consideration into whether or not he was actually lying by omission or if he was just exercising his right to maintain privacy, there are many things in life that we have no obligation to tell other people about no matter how curious they are about it
@@PrincessMeganLeigh It doesn't need stating hundreds of times IN THE SAME COMMENT SECTION. Nobody is missing 50 comments saying the same thing then understanding the message when they read it for the 51st time.
I love how "not all wheelchairbound disabilites are a complete inability to walk," is both a true statement, and a very valid potential defense/explanation for both him and the people defending it. But nope. Had to go for the "well, what you saw isnt actually what you think you saw," bs. XP
the fact that he was walking when using a wheelchair isnt the problem. lots of people who use wheelchairs aren't completely wheelchair bound. but its obvious he's faking it with how he tried to cover it up and lied abt it lol
My guy, he was in a wheelchair long before the video. Look at wavywebsurf's vid. Man interviewed him and let him explain his side. Not as obvious as it seems.
@@WelNep im not talking abt that, i'm talking about how when he got "discovered", he started lying and trying to claim this and that, knowingly misleading people into thinking it was a more permenant disability and then trying to cover that up. he was taking advantage of an injury for the clout of being "disabled" and he wasnt ready to let that go.
@@witheraway.6562 Iets be honest here no matter what he said or did no ody was gunna believe him before he got the ban since that shit happened like a day later
Yep we got the picture not everyone who uses a wheelchair is unable to walk u don’t have to write it down again after the other 250 people who have already explained it in this comment feed….
@@WelNep no the guy didnt lie I suppose, he just realized that if he didnt mention that he was recovering, he would make way more money : D. Imagine what would happen to Nicado Avacado's channel if he recovered and lost 200 lbs?
Clearly the dog spilled water in the wires and then he got electrocuted, so his nerves got stiff and he just naturally stood up... and then went to the bathroom to take advantage of the circumstances.
Doubling down was the stupidest thing he could've done. Could've just said "we had a whole thing planned and didn't want to reveal it", not take the 3rd grade approach if blaming the dog
He did own up to it afterwards, he said it was wrong to not keep his viewers updated on his medical condition. It was grimey to stay in the chair when he didn’t need it all the time anymore but it’s not as clean cut as people make it out to be. IMO, him trying to lie directly after the footage was the worst part. Just come clean immediately and maybe it wouldn’t of been as bad.
@@uiu820 that’s what I’m saying bud. It’s not clean cut. He did admit to being wrong in the case of this video. You should check out Sunny’s video in full, it really shows the story well and gets this guys side of the story from his own mouth.
Not once did he apologize for scamming his viewers. He said there were certain things, he wishes he could have done differently. That's not an apology to all the people he let down.
3:42 you can explain that not all people who need a wheelchair cant walk. There are some disabled folks who CAN actually walk, but doing so just puts them in a lot of pain and could risk hurting themselves
I love how many comments are sharing that just because you use a wheelchair, it doesn't mean that your legs are completely nonfunctional. Sharing this kind of information keeps our friends with mobility aids safer.
He literally could have just said he can stand for short periods of time or he has pain when he stands and that would make sense, but instead he went with the dog excuse
Imagine if he was actually honest about it. "Look what I've been working towards offstream with rehab/physio." Would've went down as one of the most wholesome moments on Twitch.
He could have easily played it off if he said something like "I've been doing physical therapy a couple times a week and have gotten to the point where I can walk short distances"
Well he did an interview with Wavy Web Surf if your interested, he makes a pretty good case of how its a big misunderstanding and alot of the facts that most people know are kind of wrong.
I worked in pain management and abuse of disability is out of control. I constantly saw people with "disability " and I am using that very loosely, that were clearly able to work,. Workman's comp was the worst as we would have people pull in to parking lot, jump out of car just fine, the proceed to grab a neck brace, Kane or walker and all of the sudden become virtually immobile before walking through the door, went from obvious joking and laughing to extreme immovable pain....just disgusting. I would have to say more than half or our patients claiming disability were full of shit.
Being in a wheelchair myself it's actually really sad how people can fake having a disability or over exaggerate it just to get attention / clout. This is why I have less faith in humanity
Omg smh, lose faith in humanity, and to be real it is VERY MUCH Likely that he did need a wheel chair for a certain amount of time, or he still used it, as it hurt to walk, or couldn’t do it for a long time. Now if he did fake it that’s fucked up, but shit like this is pretty common
@Clu Rosencrans I agree for the most part - except he’s a streamer. There’s a level of openness when it comes to physical injury that needs to be there, unless it’s specifically hidden from the camera. Obviously it would’ve been easy to say “Hey guys I’m in PT and able to walk a little bit,” but I don’t personally believe he was scamming or faking a disability, dude just didn’t think about it,
@Clu Rosencrans The dude got attention for being disabled and then forgot to tell his audience he is getting better? Nah he just blatantly lied to everyone and worsened the image of actualy disabled people.
@@hawgslam4 If its true then why lie about it. The dude clearly stood up straight as fuck and then pretended he fell? Then he pretends his dog made the screen fall after he fucked up. Come on...
he came out later and said he was in car accident and needed the wheelchair for awhile. he was never paralyzed, he just started streaming since he was stuck in a wheelchair for however long he needed it.
I work at Walmart. Tons of people always say they need Electric carts. I always tell them "I can keep an eye out, but I can't guarantee one immediately." Only the actual disabled people stay, understanding, but the very impatient or fakers will just leave, some having parked in the VERY back.
this reminds me of a funny story myself. I went to a zoo with my family and my mums friend + kids and one of them is autistic and will be wheeled around in a wheelchair just so he doesnt run around and hurt himself or something like that. he's perfectly able to walk. I was wheeling him around and he just randomly gets up and goes and runs to something, and there was this asian family in front of us and i just yell out "OH MY GOD ITS A MIRACLE, HE CAN STAND" and this poor family look so dumbfounded thinking this wheelchair bound kid just suddenly was able to walk and run again. Has to be one of the funniest things ive ever done
I'm gonna offer some insight here, as a disabled individual, by first stating that I'm not really upset at what he did. As someone who has a physical disability that does sometimes let me walk without my assistance tools or do things differently on some days than others, I can understand the need to just tell people that you... just use a wheelchair. Not "I sometimes do", etc. It sounds crazy, but there is like this... stigma that people don't talk about when it comes to physical disabilities. People see someone in a wheelchair and don't think "Oh I wonder if they use it all the time". People see that person in a wheelchair and it's just accepted that that's how it should be. I felt so embarrassed with it at first, I would never tell people that I didn't need it all the time, otherwise I was scared people would just assume I was faking it or over-exaggerating my symptoms to garner sympathy, because sadly that IS reality and that DOES happen. My brother to this day believes I just exaggerate my symptoms because I appear "normal" and that I can sometimes get around fine. I'm not saying what he did was right, because he was advocating for disabled individuals in the streaming scene while not being honest and having an open dialogue with his community. But I am saying I can understand why he wouldn't.
Don't defend anything he did. He was recoverd fully by the time he did streaming. Did no one pay attention to the video. Obviously he wasn't in pain anymore I've seen people that can slightly walk and it looks painful he clearly was not. He milked money out of sympathy and could have gone to someone who actually needed it.
@@empath9814 Not all wheelchair users are in debilitating pain every time they get up and walk around. Some would have no pain, they would just be too weak to move around all the time without a wheelchair. You assuming that him getting up and travelling a short distance must mean that he was fully recovered is actually fucking stupid.
He’s most definitely not. I can bet you there are a bunch of smaller streamers trying to fake things like tics and other disabilities to try and gain followers out of pity. Especially with TikTok’s influence of kids who did that exact thing to begin with
IM NOT DEFENDING THIS GUY AT ALL (i havent even watched the video yet) but please remember that NOT ALL WHEELCHAIR USERS ARE PARALYSED. Some have use of their legs and only use the chair sometimes. Some can walk short distances. Some only use them when their symptoms are bad. Please don't always assume that because someone is in a wheelchair = they cant use their legs at all.
@@eggchomp I know. Thats exactly why i said "I get ur point". And as he talked about him before watching the vid i presumed he already knew what happend
Usually I like SunnyV2 I'm just surprised that in this instance he didn't do his research. WavyWebSurf covered this way back but then he did a follow up on some new evidence of his innocence and then does an interview with the formerly disabled streamer and he makes a pretty good case for himself.
Im uncomfortable with all of these able bodied people weighing in on how disabled people should use a wheelchair. We are not “wheelchair bound” as a lot of people have been commenting here,it is an extension of oneself. Plus, some wheelchair users are able to stand up and walk from time to time and still need a wheelchair. It’s really disappointing to see the guy react the way he did, he should of just said he was getting better or something
I wouldn’t say faked, maybe he “lied” by omission and there can still be invisible aspects to/stuff people want private about their body condition, but the demand of disability status to be open to public opinion rather than left to medical professionals can get pretty gross imo.
My uncle was in car crash and was in wheelchair for 2 and half years. Even then he got healed, he still moved in wheelchair, because he get used to it and it was Hard to start walking again.
Concerning the wheelchair, I worked at an airport for a while and we had to take a lot of reservations with people who had to ask for the airport's wheelchair. There were like three different codes to determine what type of assistance they needed concerning the wheelchair. There was a code for people who could walk for a certain period of time, but not climb steps, a code for people who could walk and go climb a few steps only by still needing a wheelchair for most of the time, and there is a code for the ones who cannot walk or use their legs at all without one. I'm just saying this to show that there are different types of needs for each individual person when it comes to walking disabilities. I'm talking about this to educate people who were wondering about it, but I still think that it is a bit strange that the streamer didn't seem to want to tell the truth when it happened (if it is even the truth to begin with).
the thing with wheelchair usage is that he may have been partially dependent for awhile, being able to walk short distances but still needing it for longer distances, but he should have just explained the situation. Lots of disabled ppl who depend on wheelchairs part time/during certain flair ups do get harrassed for seeming "fake" and I feel like this is a weird situation that could have been solved by him explaining from the beginning that his fulltime wheelchair usage wasn't permanent/he was working on recovering. Overall a shitty situation, wish he wouldn't have lied.
3:50 Most likely not that guy, but some people who are in wheelchairs aren't 100% unable to walk, just unable most of the time or unable to without excruciating pain, etc.
To be totally fair: some people need wheelchairs for chronic pain and not a permanent movement impairment. Some people can get up for short periods to walk, that doesn’t mean they’re faking it. Idk about this guy, though.
i love how charlie isn’t subscribed… it literally says “Are you stalking my profile without being subscribed AGAIN????” yes sunny, charlie isn’t subbed yet :(
I’m just curious if he just had a wheelchair and used it as a gaming chair. and when people assumed he was actually disabled so he just went along with it. I would definitely see a greedy person doing something like this.
The girl gasping once he stands up most likely wasn't in reaction and tried to cover up him standing like how he says in the original video because I highly doubt she saw him standing up that quickly, even now days streams are like 5-10 seconds late to viewers and she gasped immediately after he stood up so I doubt she was seeing it real time, unless she was in the same room or something.
You could argue he wasn't trying to be misleading and scam people and yes some people in wheel chairs can walk but the way he moved the camera and tried to cover it up tells me he had bad intentions. He also changed his look and wasn't streaming for awhile after exposing himself. I've suffered an injury that hurt my leg and left me unable to walk for awhile. It's hard to believe he needed the wheel chair the way he just stood up. The doctors will urge you to walk as much as possible to get you out of the chair and back to normal and the way he stood up I'd say he was at this phase of his recovery if he was injured.
I remember when the clip of him getting caught was in my suggestions years ago. I didn't know the context so the title "Zilionop performs a miracle" had me fucking crying after hahaha
I remember this whole saga. It was absolutely crazy to see. I didn't watch him religiously but I did watch him on an old twitch account and he seemed likable until all this happened. Edit: If you are anything like these bots, I wish nothing but pain and suffering on your first born child and your family. Do it again, and you're only hurting your grandma.
I love how the first Line of comments is just people spamming “first” 💀 certainly not first, but interesting video! I’ve never understood why people feel the need to fake disabilities. As someone with actual disabilities- they’re not quirky or fun. I would gladly give them to y’all so you could have your clicks haha!
well it depends on what kinda gain they want to get from it, in the situation of zilian he was getting that sweet sympathy donation money so it kinda makes sense tho
Hey just wanted to hop in the comments and say you're 100% right. I did lie about what happened at the end and it was scummy. I had a real disability but its no excuse for my insanely stupid attempt to cover anything up. Over 10 years later now I look back at how foolish it was to not update the twitch community on my progress and even more foolish to not just say exactly what happened on screen that day when I had the chance to share it.
i feel like it's a nuanced issue, and the way people say you should have explained all about your disability to your viewers is kind of weird, or, inappropriate maybe, in the same way asking anyone you barely know if at all to tell you all about their disability/personal experiences and life would be. especially when in this case, when it comes to mobility aids and using wheelchairs, like a lot of other comments have mentioned there's a lot of stigma and misconceptions about how or why individuals may use a wheelchair/mobility aids and it doesn't always mean they are never able to stand or walk. that isn't always easy to explain to able bodied people, especially some who might accuse you of faking just for explaining that you could walk- because that goes against how they think disabled people should be. the same sort of people who want people to "prove" theyre Disabled Enough (especially when it comes to receiving unemployment/disability money). and it's kind of personal/individual, I don't see why they should be entitled to all the information of your situation and recovery. theyre not your friends, theyre just viewers. Now, if you WANTED to share your progress or more info with your viewers, great, that could certainly be an avenue to helping spread information. and being transparent off the bat would have meant you likely wouldn't have to explain or panic in the moment you got up. and like you have admitted and others have said, you really should have just explained after standing instead of lying, even if they didn't believe you in the moment there'd be a better chance of being able to get people to understand and move on in the future. but I get WHY you did. I'm not really the person to judge you on if you did something good or bad, but I feel like the way the narrative of Fake Disability blew up and has stained your reputation is unfair. and, maybe, reflective of how able bodied people see ppl w disabilities (and the power of clickbait). anyway, just be open about what happened, have an FAQ or something people can read if you stream in the future so you won't need to explain the same thing over and over, and if your comeback garners a lot of attention, perhaps use it to tell your story once more for people to have an account of what happened that addresses everything in a singular instance (instead of mixed info from diff sources), and even better would be to bring attention to disability advocates and resources for people to learn more, organizations that help us, etc.
@@whomturgled I appreciate this comment a lot and have at many times had open QA sessions. At this point 10 years later it's just bandwagon people who were/are clueless to the actual events. Was it my responsibility to tell people at that very second what my progress was? I don't believe so but I definitely shouldn't have tried to cover anything up. Truthfully the only reason for making a video about this now is for clickbait, no reason to cover 10 year old news unless you wanna make a buck off my name. So props to all that have I guess haha. I just wanna keep moving forward with my life, make good decisions, and not lose jobs because someone at work saw a video about me.
Charlie: "I wont post reaction videos to youtube anymore." Also Charlie: "Frequently posts long videos of him just watching other people's videos." I have nothing against reaction videos but I came here for Charlie, not SunnyV2.
Im pretty sure this dude was definitely in a wheelchair before he started streaming. He just didnt open up to his fans because para social relationships on twitch werent as common in 2012. Also he stood up like only a few months into his career. His fault was not keeping people up to date with his personal life. He didnt fake anything.
I forget who made the video but someone interviewed him and he gave his side of the story and I personally believe him. He wasn't hiding his recovery process and he had actually talked about getting better before that video but no one saw that because they didn't watch him. To this day he still has some problem walking
I haven't watched this yet, but I hope its not just one of the smear videos, hope they also show WavyWebSurfs second video on the subject. Where the streamer is able to have a stage to defend himself, they make a lot of good points and explain the situation. And how he most likely is innocent. He was in a wheel chair and immobile for most of his early streaming career, when this clip was taken he was in rehab and was gaining back some physical abilities. Also many seem to think his girlfriend was covering up his incident, but there has been a good argument made that with how long the stream delay was at the time, and her not being in the room but instead watching the stream she could not have reacted like that, there would have been like a 7 second delay or more.
@@firstnamelastnamesb He was wheel chair bound, then he went into rehab and was gaining some limited walking skills back, have you not ever had a family member in rehab? There still in a wheel chair like 99% of the time. Also its not like Twich today, Streamers didn't give out much personal information at the time, it wasn't like it was expected that he would update them on his recovery. Now his mods testified if I remember correctly that to them he was open about the rehab and might have even mentioned it once or twice on stream.
All drama aside, at least he knows how to stand up for himself and can walk away from his problems.
@@GriffinZambia will you shut up
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@@forgivezharion6989 your comment history is just depressing
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He could have just said he was getting better. It's not uncommon to walk only short distances (like to the bathroom), while still spending most of your time in the wheel chair during recovery.
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if he did then the donos might start to decrease since he is no longer in a difficult health situation.
@@MeanPeePee better they decrease and he gets an out than have them figure out he was lying all along.
Exactly. If any of that story is true, which I highly doubt, then he should have told his fans. There's literally no reason not to do so other than wanting more money.
@@forgivezharion6989 wtf go touch grass
Imagine following him from start, laughing along with him, seeing the bright in his heart despite the horrible and unfair disability life has given him.
And then he walks away
*seinfeld theme plays*
Rip
He literally was like "Aight Imma head out"
@@SprayardxxxKrugR do you have any grapes?
@@SprayardxxxKrugR ptsd
What really sucks about this situation is that often times people who need/use wheelchairs can actually stand and walk for short periods of time, it’s just that it’s extremely painful. It just fuels more disbelief and ableism towards other people in wheelchairs who actually need it
Ok just Dont read my Name
You think maybe we should get someone else to type up this same exact comment 37 or 38 more times? I don't think I understand after reading the last 49 comments saying the same thing.
I didnt know this actually
@@KeepTheGates Yep. Awareness is important and just look at the comment below yours.
@Cros there's bringing awareness, and then there's virtue signaling.
And your engaging in the latter.
I'm not defending this guy specifically, but I will say that there are plenty of people who can walk but require wheel chairs as mobility aids rather than their only way if getting around. So just the fact someone is a wheel chair user but is able to get up and walk away doesn't directly mean they don't need the wheel chair. Again though, I'm not defending this guy specifically, I'm just saying that this is a thing that happens and exists
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@@GriffinZambia don't worry, I wont
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Yeah. I sold wheel chairs and other medical equipment for a while and it’s more common for people to be partially dependent on a chair than totally connected at all times. It may not be like that everywhere but for my company it certainly was.
This !!! Exactly what I said. Not everyone is fully unable to walk. There are diseases and such that could make someone pass out and put them in danger. The person in this vid tho clearly was faking tho sine he didn’t state why he was in there
If he hadn’t immediately tried covering it up and lying about falling, things might have worked out better for him, tbh. Like, he should have come clean about his recovery from the start of the drama, and apologized for misleading his audience about the nature of his temporary disability. If he had said “I’ve actually been recovering for a while and am less dependent on my wheelchair than I was. I should have mentioned it to you guys before, and I’m sorry to have misled you” (or something along those lines), I’m sure he would have gotten SO MUCH more respect from everyone watching. I believe he’s telling the truth about it in the interview he did with Wavy, but lying about it when it happened was a terrible move on his part, and I hope he’s learned from the backlash.
Right?
I have a few friends who can walk a little, but have to use a wheelchair to get any good distance.
Glad he got caught though, wouldn't want him to scam more people out of their sympathy money.
@@MadWatcher isn’t darkviper the guy that compared reacting to content to rape
@@lukecremecheese597 WHAT?!
Being honest I'm pretty sure they would have ripped them apart anyway.
I think it's important to point out not everyone with a wheelchair is completely unable to walk. Some can walk but only short distances or walking is painful. That being said, if this was the case, he probably wouldn't have lied about it saying he "fell." That was very obviously not a fall.
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Yes, there are chronic and invisible illnesses that mean some people with said illness can walk but get tired and/or sore easier. Can also be days where said person can stand and walk around just fine, though it depends on the person, illness, conditions or severity..
He didn't fall you could see in his body language the way he faces to stand up, and that the chair doesn't move that much. You'd then hear a "thump" if he fell 😔
Wish people weren't like this
-Edit, because I realised there's no audio (that's why there's no thump, lmao I had a dumb moment)
However upon closer inspection, if you look at 3:09 in the fishtank you can see he walks off and doesn't fall over once, very steadily walked out of frame.
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Damn right! Its possible but he lied so bad about it its a shame.
He mentions in the wavywebsurf interview he was still going through physical therapy at the time so him falling is 100% believable
All he had to do was periodically explain to his viewers that he was undergoing physical therapy and he was slowly regaining use of his legs.
Then he could have made getting out of his chair a big announcement.
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But then the money will go bye bye so nope he just preferred to keep scammin
Someone give this guy his B.A. in marketing, he's clearly earned it
he didnt owe anyone an explanation
Imagine having your whole career ruined just by standing up.
What goes up… musts come… up
@@AskYaMommyBoutMeBoi That sounds wrong lmao
@@AskYaMommyBoutMeBoi my weiner
It worked for Slim Shady.
@@notsure1969 lmfao
I hate stuff like this, it perpetuates the idea that only people who have no function over their lower body ever need to use wheelchairs, and everyone else is faking. I often use a wheelchair, but I have full function over my legs, it's because I pass out when I stand up for too long. So many people think I fake because I can stand up, as long as I know I'm going to be walking a short distance and sit down again soon. It's so embarrassing to be harassed in public over it.
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When I messed up my Achilles tendon I had to use crutches for awhile and could walk occasionally on it for a limited time. A girl in school made me out to be a liar because of that and said I was faking. I called her out in class and blessed her out and she stfu after crying about me hurting her. Like sorry not sorry you made me out to be something I wasn't.
@@donermonster2426 naa he was lying he was always able to walk
Totally. I sometimes use a walker even though I wan walk fine--it's for a vision issue where my eyes sometimes read right as being straight ahead. I've walked into the street before because of that so the walker is there so I can literally slam on the breaks. And whenever someone who knows I use one sees me without it I'm always worried that they'll accuse me of faking it (though realistically if they tried I could just explain it to them but you know how people are)
@@donermonster2426 He was walking perfectly fine by the time he got caught on twitch. I don't doubt he was in a car accident and wasn't able to walk for about a year or so, but by the time he got caught on Twitch he was walking perfectly fine. He withheld information to continue to milk donations off gullible idiots with their parents credit cards.
the way he just naturally gets out of that wheelchair will never not be fucking hilarious to me. imagine being a longtime follower and fan of that guy and witnessing that moment live. What do you feel in that moment?
Shame and embarrassment at being duped, leading them to scream that "sometimes people in wheelchairs can walk sometimes! Ableist! Ableist!" In the comments of videos about it.
@kirakira Yeah but no one said that, ever. No one said that in the video that charlie watched, nor did he say it, nor are any comments saying it. The only people saying it are the people screeching and crying about how it's "albeist to think that people in wheelchairs cannot stand or walk". Literally no one else is saying that.
You guys are seething and coping into the void for no reason.
@@menthols4625 laugh. 1 because i never tip. So i can care less. Plus dude got my respect back and owned it this was yrss ago lol
@kirakira People learn new words and run off with them
@@giovannijj3408 this is not me trying to be rude or anything, I swear. But you may want to know that the word usage would be “I could not care less” not “I can/could” because saying you COULD care less denotes that you do indeed care.
the man walked, just so tiktok disability fakers could run.
just a reminder that just bc someone is in a wheelchair doesnt mean they cant walk or stand! plenty of people use a wheelchair bc it hurts to stand, can only stand for a limited time, or their walking is "messed up" and need assistance. and in this case, can also be slowly recovering from an accident but still needing an aid bc the legs have not been fully recovered yet.
You can also have temporary paralysis. It happened to hornswoggle
I always feel so self-conscious simply crossing my legs when I’m in my wheelchair. I feel like people glare at me when I do that. Wheelchairs aren’t just for people who can’t walk!
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Okay but this guy said he COULD NOT WALK.
He faked it though for money lol??
I'm sure he was legitimately in the wheel chair for years as there'd be no reason to fake it prior to streaming. But he found out that people would donate to him because of the chair and wanted to make some money while only technically lying by omission. He knew what he was doing.
Eh... idk about that. Look up "munchausen's by internet".
He still needed the chair tho he just lied for no reason
Literally not true
@@hitthegoat how would you know
Weird take
His disability was real. He was in the chair for 2 years. I believe he was using his disability for money and didn't want people to know he was capable of walking or did physical therapy.
His biggest reget was not telling people about his condition. He overall just made his situations look really bad
There was a kid that was in my high school who had to use a wheelchair but could walk a small distance like up some stairs or to a classroom
the fact that when he realized he immediately closed the stream means he was lying just to get money. period.
bull crap cqllel
hes fake
He also tried to lie about it at first, dude tried to say he fell
It's sad because apparently he wasn't lying the whole time, he just failed to update his community with news of his improvement. Why, tho??? People love a good recovery story! He would have been more popular than ever! And the fact that he tried to gaslight his community afterwards, too... I feel sorry for him, but it's understandable why things happened the way that they did. :(
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@YeaMan no
Imagine how big Nickocado Advocado would be if he recovered and lost 200lbs.
sorry about your replies, man r.i.p.
To milk it
I'm surprised we're still talking about this guy after nearly a decade passed
i’m very upset at the revelation of 2013 being almost a decade ago
I remembered watching this in Twitch fail compilation couple years ago, can't say I care that much about the wheelchair guy but the excuse he gave honestly not good at all
@Kavetion good for you
The internet never forgets
I think it's a good thing to talk about so that history doesn't repeat itself, ya know?
Clearly, he just mastered the art of spin and thus regained his ability to walk.
Pulled a Johnny Joestar on them
You PFP makes sense for this comment.
SunnyV2: “Are you stalking me without being subscribed AGAIN?”
Charlie: yes
There's a piece of this story that all the comments are missing, or only addressing half of the controversy. While it is true that there are disabled people who do not need a wheelchair at all times, and may need it for assistance for certain tasks or to make mobility easier, the issue is that he blatantly hid his recovery process for monetary gain. Money was pouring in through donations and subscriptions, and it was the crux of the growth of his channel. His girlfriend was in on the scheme as well. Why lie about falling? Why did the girlfriend make up a blatantly fabricated story to distract from the "miraculous" walking? The issue is not that he forgot to update his viewers. It's the intent behind it. Lying by omission is still lying. And using this facade for monetary gain is immoral.
Exactly. And when you say "all of the comments" you're hardly exaggerating, almost every comment is something along the lines of "some people in wheelchairs can walk". Who are these people who think "It's been said in 600 other comments but let ME shed light on the situation by saying the same thing"
How would she notice when there's stream delay
Also I think there should be more consideration into whether or not he was actually lying by omission or if he was just exercising his right to maintain privacy, there are many things in life that we have no obligation to tell other people about no matter how curious they are about it
@@ronaldolawyer3865 He was lying by omission. He realized he would make more money if he didnt tell people he was recovering, so he didnt.
@@PrincessMeganLeigh It doesn't need stating hundreds of times IN THE SAME COMMENT SECTION. Nobody is missing 50 comments saying the same thing then understanding the message when they read it for the 51st time.
i don’t think people are trying to defend him, more trying to ensure people don’t go around calling ambulatory wheelchair users “fakers”
I love how Charlie faked surprise at the situation and pretending he didnt cure a crippled man with his divine powers.🙏
I love how "not all wheelchairbound disabilites are a complete inability to walk," is both a true statement, and a very valid potential defense/explanation for both him and the people defending it. But nope. Had to go for the "well, what you saw isnt actually what you think you saw," bs. XP
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Damn right!
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Nobody was gunna believe him either way
the fact that he was walking when using a wheelchair isnt the problem. lots of people who use wheelchairs aren't completely wheelchair bound. but its obvious he's faking it with how he tried to cover it up and lied abt it lol
My guy, he was in a wheelchair long before the video. Look at wavywebsurf's vid. Man interviewed him and let him explain his side. Not as obvious as it seems.
@@WelNep im not talking abt that, i'm talking about how when he got "discovered", he started lying and trying to claim this and that, knowingly misleading people into thinking it was a more permenant disability and then trying to cover that up. he was taking advantage of an injury for the clout of being "disabled" and he wasnt ready to let that go.
@@witheraway.6562 Iets be honest here no matter what he said or did no ody was gunna believe him before he got the ban since that shit happened like a day later
Yep we got the picture not everyone who uses a wheelchair is unable to walk u don’t have to write it down again after the other 250 people who have already explained it in this comment feed….
@@WelNep no the guy didnt lie I suppose, he just realized that if he didnt mention that he was recovering, he would make way more money : D. Imagine what would happen to Nicado Avacado's channel if he recovered and lost 200 lbs?
Clearly the dog spilled water in the wires and then he got electrocuted, so his nerves got stiff and he just naturally stood up... and then went to the bathroom to take advantage of the circumstances.
Doubling down was the stupidest thing he could've done. Could've just said "we had a whole thing planned and didn't want to reveal it", not take the 3rd grade approach if blaming the dog
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It's the internet troglodytes back then wouldn't have believed him no matter what he said
@@uiu820 yeah that's probably true. But then later Internet historians would've been less hard on him maybe 🤷♂️
@@TikkiNikki Tru
He did own up to it afterwards, he said it was wrong to not keep his viewers updated on his medical condition. It was grimey to stay in the chair when he didn’t need it all the time anymore but it’s not as clean cut as people make it out to be. IMO, him trying to lie directly after the footage was the worst part. Just come clean immediately and maybe it wouldn’t of been as bad.
But he at that point did need the chair he was only able to walk and stand for about 10min a day
@@uiu820 that’s what I’m saying bud. It’s not clean cut. He did admit to being wrong in the case of this video. You should check out Sunny’s video in full, it really shows the story well and gets this guys side of the story from his own mouth.
Not once did he apologize for scamming his viewers. He said there were certain things, he wishes he could have done differently. That's not an apology to all the people he let down.
@@basedzoop8499my guy, that is, quite literally, the opposite of what you were saying
3:42 you can explain that not all people who need a wheelchair cant walk. There are some disabled folks who CAN actually walk, but doing so just puts them in a lot of pain and could risk hurting themselves
Man got up like Grandpa Joe when he found out he was going to the chocolate factory
I love how many comments are sharing that just because you use a wheelchair, it doesn't mean that your legs are completely nonfunctional. Sharing this kind of information keeps our friends with mobility aids safer.
Maybe I’m just dumb but I genuinely can’t tell if your comments is laced with sarcasm or not
Man was losing so bad, he had to get up and take a walk to the pisser
3:06 I wish we could've seen a replay of the chat lmaoo
oh
He literally could have just said he can stand for short periods of time or he has pain when he stands and that would make sense, but instead he went with the dog excuse
Gotta get the dog in yknow
3:24 anyone else notice the "spliff" materials on his desk? xD Dude was probably stoned which explains him forgetting to not get up
Imagine if he was actually honest about it. "Look what I've been working towards offstream with rehab/physio." Would've went down as one of the most wholesome moments on Twitch.
dont defend a guy like him...! why are you doing that?
@@donkarnage6986 Are you drunk?
0:01 Sunny’s banner is on point tho damn
3:00 it gets me every time. Every fucking time. I'm in tears right now. He stands... And throws a twists that would make Patrick Swazye proud
He could have easily played it off if he said something like "I've been doing physical therapy a couple times a week and have gotten to the point where I can walk short distances"
People would see that as him trying to get out of the situation and lying to say his ass he was gunna get hit by the mobbed for whatever he said
He figured out the perfect golden rotation and evolved his tusk to act 4
It looks like those preachers on tv who be like screaming miracles to people like “In the name of Jesus Christ, I demand you to stand up”
6:30 that footage is like 10 years old and it looks like it's been shot in the 70s.
I’m sure Zilian himself would admit the backlash far outweighed whatever short term benefits there were by faking a disability
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@YeaMan but you can’t spell page
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Well he did an interview with Wavy Web Surf if your interested, he makes a pretty good case of how its a big misunderstanding and alot of the facts that most people know are kind of wrong.
I worked in pain management and abuse of disability is out of control. I constantly saw people with "disability " and I am using that very loosely, that were clearly able to work,. Workman's comp was the worst as we would have people pull in to parking lot, jump out of car just fine, the proceed to grab a neck brace, Kane or walker and all of the sudden become virtually immobile before walking through the door, went from obvious joking and laughing to extreme immovable pain....just disgusting. I would have to say more than half or our patients claiming disability were full of shit.
Being in a wheelchair myself it's actually really sad how people can fake having a disability or over exaggerate it just to get attention / clout. This is why I have less faith in humanity
Omg smh, lose faith in humanity, and to be real it is VERY MUCH Likely that he did need a wheel chair for a certain amount of time, or he still used it, as it hurt to walk, or couldn’t do it for a long time. Now if he did fake it that’s fucked up, but shit like this is pretty common
@Clu Rosencrans the hate he got was not deserved but he should had clarified he was not fully wheelchair bound
@Clu Rosencrans I agree for the most part - except he’s a streamer. There’s a level of openness when it comes to physical injury that needs to be there, unless it’s specifically hidden from the camera. Obviously it would’ve been easy to say “Hey guys I’m in PT and able to walk a little bit,” but I don’t personally believe he was scamming or faking a disability, dude just didn’t think about it,
@Clu Rosencrans The dude got attention for being disabled and then forgot to tell his audience he is getting better? Nah he just blatantly lied to everyone and worsened the image of actualy disabled people.
@@hawgslam4 If its true then why lie about it. The dude clearly stood up straight as fuck and then pretended he fell? Then he pretends his dog made the screen fall after he fucked up. Come on...
I remember seeing this shit years ago ... blew my mind that someone would fake some shit like that
I thought wavyWebsurf confirmed he did still need a wheelchair, it was just that with therapy he regained limited ability to walk.
No.
he came out later and said he was in car accident and needed the wheelchair for awhile. he was never paralyzed, he just started streaming since he was stuck in a wheelchair for however long he needed it.
How long do you think he stood there just thinking, “whelp I just ended my career”
I work at Walmart. Tons of people always say they need Electric carts. I always tell them "I can keep an eye out, but I can't guarantee one immediately." Only the actual disabled people stay, understanding, but the very impatient or fakers will just leave, some having parked in the VERY back.
bro was like "i forgot i was disabled"
this reminds me of a funny story myself. I went to a zoo with my family and my mums friend + kids and one of them is autistic and will be wheeled around in a wheelchair just so he doesnt run around and hurt himself or something like that. he's perfectly able to walk. I was wheeling him around and he just randomly gets up and goes and runs to something, and there was this asian family in front of us and i just yell out "OH MY GOD ITS A MIRACLE, HE CAN STAND" and this poor family look so dumbfounded thinking this wheelchair bound kid just suddenly was able to walk and run again. Has to be one of the funniest things ive ever done
The fact he lied and said he fell then blamed the dog made it so much worse.
i like to imagine then when he stood up and walked out of frame, he just paused for a sec like 😦🧍♂️
How many people are gonna fake disabilities?
TikTok and Twitch: *Yes*
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2:37 - LOL! That Undertaker reference will be living in my head for a while
I'm gonna offer some insight here, as a disabled individual, by first stating that I'm not really upset at what he did. As someone who has a physical disability that does sometimes let me walk without my assistance tools or do things differently on some days than others, I can understand the need to just tell people that you... just use a wheelchair. Not "I sometimes do", etc. It sounds crazy, but there is like this... stigma that people don't talk about when it comes to physical disabilities. People see someone in a wheelchair and don't think "Oh I wonder if they use it all the time". People see that person in a wheelchair and it's just accepted that that's how it should be. I felt so embarrassed with it at first, I would never tell people that I didn't need it all the time, otherwise I was scared people would just assume I was faking it or over-exaggerating my symptoms to garner sympathy, because sadly that IS reality and that DOES happen. My brother to this day believes I just exaggerate my symptoms because I appear "normal" and that I can sometimes get around fine.
I'm not saying what he did was right, because he was advocating for disabled individuals in the streaming scene while not being honest and having an open dialogue with his community. But I am saying I can understand why he wouldn't.
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He was getting paid from playing into it though and then continued to lie about it rather than actually explaining himself.
Don't defend anything he did. He was recoverd fully by the time he did streaming. Did no one pay attention to the video. Obviously he wasn't in pain anymore I've seen people that can slightly walk and it looks painful he clearly was not. He milked money out of sympathy and could have gone to someone who actually needed it.
@@empath9814 Not all wheelchair users are in debilitating pain every time they get up and walk around. Some would have no pain, they would just be too weak to move around all the time without a wheelchair. You assuming that him getting up and travelling a short distance must mean that he was fully recovered is actually fucking stupid.
I am very sorry about the stigmas but this guy just worsened the image of actual disabled people by blantantly lying and it upset me.
I'm assuming he's not the only streamer to fake a disability for views.
He’s most definitely not. I can bet you there are a bunch of smaller streamers trying to fake things like tics and other disabilities to try and gain followers out of pity.
Especially with TikTok’s influence of kids who did that exact thing to begin with
Title: The streamer who faked a disability
Me: You’re gonna have to be a lot more specific.
He actually did need the chair he was just doing therapy to get better. He still did try to hide it though
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@@forgivezharion6989 No bitches?
IM NOT DEFENDING THIS GUY AT ALL (i havent even watched the video yet) but please remember that NOT ALL WHEELCHAIR USERS ARE PARALYSED. Some have use of their legs and only use the chair sometimes. Some can walk short distances. Some only use them when their symptoms are bad. Please don't always assume that because someone is in a wheelchair = they cant use their legs at all.
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I get ur point. But after he said that it was his dogs fault that the cam tipped over i started questioning the rest of his story
@@luxter858 they said they didn’t watch the video; it’s just for clarification
@@eggchomp I know. Thats exactly why i said "I get ur point". And as he talked about him before watching the vid i presumed he already knew what happend
He drank to many monsters and had to piss so bad he wasnt thinking
Sunny V2 is such a great channel to watch in the background while doing other things like drawing and stuff.
Sunnyv2 videos are great and very informative. Glad you keep reacting to them.
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Is that his name?
@@dustinnukem5458 yeah sunnyv2 check him out
Usually I like SunnyV2 I'm just surprised that in this instance he didn't do his research. WavyWebSurf covered this way back but then he did a follow up on some new evidence of his innocence and then does an interview with the formerly disabled streamer and he makes a pretty good case for himself.
@@JBBrickman yea what critikal is reacting to isn’t the full story at all it’s kinda silly and a miss from sunny
0:35 Sunny's channel banner knows Charlie very well lmao
I remember that guy the power of fame cured his legs, it was a miracle
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He never said he needed one to move though, that was just an assumption
Im uncomfortable with all of these able bodied people weighing in on how disabled people should use a wheelchair. We are not “wheelchair bound” as a lot of people have been commenting here,it is an extension of oneself. Plus, some wheelchair users are able to stand up and walk from time to time and still need a wheelchair. It’s really disappointing to see the guy react the way he did, he should of just said he was getting better or something
wheelchair bound = cringe
wheelchair user = based
He’s the one who lied, so…..
how do you not question why he lied about falling out of his chair, like how does your brain just pretend that never happened
@@FaurenLaust he never said anything about that, why are all you putting words in his mouth?
@@anomalocarislover7254 Yes he did. It was in the video, the guy said it in his Twitch chat.
“Charlie you’re so bright” *flips phone, but still listens*
I wouldn’t say faked, maybe he “lied” by omission and there can still be invisible aspects to/stuff people want private about their body condition, but the demand of disability status to be open to public opinion rather than left to medical professionals can get pretty gross imo.
He could’ve just said he’s a partial wheelchair user. Most wheelchair users can actually stand, just not for long.
My uncle was in car crash and was in wheelchair for 2 and half years. Even then he got healed, he still moved in wheelchair, because he get used to it and it was Hard to start walking again.
Concerning the wheelchair, I worked at an airport for a while and we had to take a lot of reservations with people who had to ask for the airport's wheelchair.
There were like three different codes to determine what type of assistance they needed concerning the wheelchair. There was a code for people who could walk for a certain period of time, but not climb steps, a code for people who could walk and go climb a few steps only by still needing a wheelchair for most of the time, and there is a code for the ones who cannot walk or use their legs at all without one.
I'm just saying this to show that there are different types of needs for each individual person when it comes to walking disabilities. I'm talking about this to educate people who were wondering about it, but I still think that it is a bit strange that the streamer didn't seem to want to tell the truth when it happened (if it is even the truth to begin with).
the thing with wheelchair usage is that he may have been partially dependent for awhile, being able to walk short distances but still needing it for longer distances, but he should have just explained the situation. Lots of disabled ppl who depend on wheelchairs part time/during certain flair ups do get harrassed for seeming "fake" and I feel like this is a weird situation that could have been solved by him explaining from the beginning that his fulltime wheelchair usage wasn't permanent/he was working on recovering. Overall a shitty situation, wish he wouldn't have lied.
3:50 Most likely not that guy, but some people who are in wheelchairs aren't 100% unable to walk, just unable most of the time or unable to without excruciating pain, etc.
To be totally fair: some people need wheelchairs for chronic pain and not a permanent movement impairment. Some people can get up for short periods to walk, that doesn’t mean they’re faking it. Idk about this guy, though.
I believe you, as for this dude, he's a piece of shit, why would he lie if he had nothing to hide....
i love how charlie isn’t subscribed… it literally says “Are you stalking my profile without being subscribed AGAIN????” yes sunny, charlie isn’t subbed yet :(
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Dark vipers right, charlie is an absolute leech, all react streamers are.
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maybe he is on his main account, he seems to use a different one when streaming
not 100% sure though, take my words with a grain of salt
@@Instabruh.User.. your account is botted to the max ahahaha imagine spending money of that shit
0:00 "This is a nut-!!"
"everyone knows twitch has some of the dumbest people online..."
his fans as they watch: 😂😂😂😂
lmaoooo love you charlie
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3:06
that "oh my God" was perfectly timed 🤣🤣
I’m just curious if he just had a wheelchair and used it as a gaming chair. and when people assumed he was actually disabled so he just went along with it.
I would definitely see a greedy person doing something like this.
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No, he actually needed the chair because of an injury but didn't update anyone about his recovery to keep the image going on longer
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@@GriffinZambia man will you shut the up bot?
@@Arcademan09 ohh right.
Pretty sure it was proven that he needed the wheel chair at the time
dynamic disabilities exist and sometimes the wrong people get called out but luckily this was someone who actually was faking
The girl gasping once he stands up most likely wasn't in reaction and tried to cover up him standing like how he says in the original video because I highly doubt she saw him standing up that quickly, even now days streams are like 5-10 seconds late to viewers and she gasped immediately after he stood up so I doubt she was seeing it real time, unless she was in the same room or something.
You could argue he wasn't trying to be misleading and scam people and yes some people in wheel chairs can walk but the way he moved the camera and tried to cover it up tells me he had bad intentions. He also changed his look and wasn't streaming for awhile after exposing himself. I've suffered an injury that hurt my leg and left me unable to walk for awhile. It's hard to believe he needed the wheel chair the way he just stood up. The doctors will urge you to walk as much as possible to get you out of the chair and back to normal and the way he stood up I'd say he was at this phase of his recovery if he was injured.
bro stood up and left then a ghost knocked over his camera Lmao
would've been god damn hilarious if he just raged one day and stood up for the first time ever just to throw the wheelchair
I love this guy, man jus stands up lmao
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I remember when the clip of him getting caught was in my suggestions years ago.
I didn't know the context so the title "Zilionop performs a miracle" had me fucking crying after hahaha
I remember this whole saga. It was absolutely crazy to see. I didn't watch him religiously but I did watch him on an old twitch account and he seemed likable until all this happened.
Edit: If you are anything like these bots, I wish nothing but pain and suffering on your first born child and your family.
Do it again, and you're only hurting your grandma.
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What bots?
I've never seen someone so emotionally scarred by youtube bots, holy shit man, but i agree fuck these bots
@@MeanPeePee What the comments above? Maybe 🤔 just spammers.
@@dustinnukem5458 Those are bots
I love how the first Line of comments is just people spamming “first” 💀 certainly not first, but interesting video! I’ve never understood why people feel the need to fake disabilities. As someone with actual disabilities- they’re not quirky or fun. I would gladly give them to y’all so you could have your clicks haha!
Dont read my Name Tho
well it depends on what kinda gain they want to get from it, in the situation of zilian he was getting that sweet sympathy donation money so it kinda makes sense tho
@@GriffinZambia alr bot, I won’t lol.
"I got better" - random villager, Monty Python's Holy Grail
This is an oldie but still a goodie
I've seen this dude that faked his disability, remember watching "top 10 things caught on twitch live" or something like that.
But he didn’t fake it though
Dont read my Name Tho
He didn’t fake anything though, did you even watch the video?
3:05 "Tonight, Gherman joins the hunt."
I wish I could get exposed for faking my disability
Dont read my Name!
Hey just wanted to hop in the comments and say you're 100% right. I did lie about what happened at the end and it was scummy. I had a real disability but its no excuse for my insanely stupid attempt to cover anything up. Over 10 years later now I look back at how foolish it was to not update the twitch community on my progress and even more foolish to not just say exactly what happened on screen that day when I had the chance to share it.
@chinsaw2727 it's me :)
@paul YaYMaM I will be streaming on TH-cam again this coming month but as far as redemption? That's up to the viewer.
i feel like it's a nuanced issue, and the way people say you should have explained all about your disability to your viewers is kind of weird, or, inappropriate maybe, in the same way asking anyone you barely know if at all to tell you all about their disability/personal experiences and life would be. especially when in this case, when it comes to mobility aids and using wheelchairs, like a lot of other comments have mentioned there's a lot of stigma and misconceptions about how or why individuals may use a wheelchair/mobility aids and it doesn't always mean they are never able to stand or walk. that isn't always easy to explain to able bodied people, especially some who might accuse you of faking just for explaining that you could walk- because that goes against how they think disabled people should be. the same sort of people who want people to "prove" theyre Disabled Enough (especially when it comes to receiving unemployment/disability money). and it's kind of personal/individual, I don't see why they should be entitled to all the information of your situation and recovery. theyre not your friends, theyre just viewers.
Now, if you WANTED to share your progress or more info with your viewers, great, that could certainly be an avenue to helping spread information. and being transparent off the bat would have meant you likely wouldn't have to explain or panic in the moment you got up. and like you have admitted and others have said, you really should have just explained after standing instead of lying, even if they didn't believe you in the moment there'd be a better chance of being able to get people to understand and move on in the future. but I get WHY you did. I'm not really the person to judge you on if you did something good or bad, but I feel like the way the narrative of Fake Disability blew up and has stained your reputation is unfair. and, maybe, reflective of how able bodied people see ppl w disabilities (and the power of clickbait).
anyway, just be open about what happened, have an FAQ or something people can read if you stream in the future so you won't need to explain the same thing over and over, and if your comeback garners a lot of attention, perhaps use it to tell your story once more for people to have an account of what happened that addresses everything in a singular instance (instead of mixed info from diff sources), and even better would be to bring attention to disability advocates and resources for people to learn more, organizations that help us, etc.
@@whomturgled I appreciate this comment a lot and have at many times had open QA sessions. At this point 10 years later it's just bandwagon people who were/are clueless to the actual events. Was it my responsibility to tell people at that very second what my progress was? I don't believe so but I definitely shouldn't have tried to cover anything up. Truthfully the only reason for making a video about this now is for clickbait, no reason to cover 10 year old news unless you wanna make a buck off my name. So props to all that have I guess haha. I just wanna keep moving forward with my life, make good decisions, and not lose jobs because someone at work saw a video about me.
Everyone: I'm about to end your whole career
Zilian: I'm about to end my whole career
Charlie: "I wont post reaction videos to youtube anymore."
Also Charlie: "Frequently posts long videos of him just watching other people's videos."
I have nothing against reaction videos but I came here for Charlie, not SunnyV2.
Ratio + yb better + I didn’t ask + this u 🤓🤓👨🏼💻👨🏼💻👶🏽
These are from his stream. Don’t like them? Don’t watch them. Stop whining it won’t get you anywhere.
@@vismattress5760 I can have my own opinion on his content just like you. Shutting other people down helps nothing.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 I’m not shutting anyone down. I’m stating the obvious. Everyone else has 0 problem with it so don’t watch it just to hate
@@vismattress5760 Me giving criticism aint hate.
Im pretty sure this dude was definitely in a wheelchair before he started streaming. He just didnt open up to his fans because para social relationships on twitch werent as common in 2012. Also he stood up like only a few months into his career. His fault was not keeping people up to date with his personal life. He didnt fake anything.
He didn’t claim he fell out of the chair, he claimed he fell after walking around for a bit off camera.
I forget who made the video but someone interviewed him and he gave his side of the story and I personally believe him. He wasn't hiding his recovery process and he had actually talked about getting better before that video but no one saw that because they didn't watch him. To this day he still has some problem walking
Stop the cap. Even a close friend of his, didn't know he was getting treatment. That's the same guy who hacked his Facebook
I haven't watched this yet, but I hope its not just one of the smear videos, hope they also show WavyWebSurfs second video on the subject. Where the streamer is able to have a stage to defend himself, they make a lot of good points and explain the situation. And how he most likely is innocent. He was in a wheel chair and immobile for most of his early streaming career, when this clip was taken he was in rehab and was gaining back some physical abilities. Also many seem to think his girlfriend was covering up his incident, but there has been a good argument made that with how long the stream delay was at the time, and her not being in the room but instead watching the stream she could not have reacted like that, there would have been like a 7 second delay or more.
There is no excuse for the dog water story or pretending to be wheelchair bound after he had regained the ability to walk.
Ok just Dont read my Name
@@GriffinZambia your mother despises you
@@firstnamelastnamesb He was wheel chair bound, then he went into rehab and was gaining some limited walking skills back, have you not ever had a family member in rehab? There still in a wheel chair like 99% of the time. Also its not like Twich today, Streamers didn't give out much personal information at the time, it wasn't like it was expected that he would update them on his recovery. Now his mods testified if I remember correctly that to them he was open about the rehab and might have even mentioned it once or twice on stream.
@@firstnamelastnamesb no excuse for your brain to be this smooth, but it is