So it would be better to have the pilot possibly fly into the emergency craft (which is now off their flight plan and turning back into the airfield)? Control and the pilots aren't playing a video game. They actually have to tell each other what they want or need... It isn't a great idea to just do whatever and hope it works.
@@burtcale6055I hope you understand that airport is one that is frequently used for flight training. There is always the possibility that would be a student who didn’t know he could exit the aircraft right there, but that also gave the option to an experienced pilot to make a judgment call.
I think a calmer pilot may have declared a mayday - would have saved a few radio transmissions. I mean a hint you should call mayday is when you have smoke in the cabin and are telling control you might have to land the plane somewhere besides the airfield.
And possibly fly into the other plane? I guess they don't have the benefit of having an overhead view and mind reading capabilities - so they kind of have to talk to each other.
I know I'm writing this from my couch but couple of things. 1. if i have smoke in the cockpit my call would be "Mayday Mayday Mayday Sierra alpha is returning back to the field ". i would be telling tower what I'm doing instead of the back and forth convo and questions. 2. is it just me or the tower was just god awful slow in his reaction? almost sounded like he was over consumed by something other than um smoke in the cockpit in an aircraft in distress.
It is definitely easier to discuss this with hindsight, but I can agree with your perspective. That said, I found it quite impressive how cool and composed the pilot was during this incident. As for the tower controller, he did have a few other aircrafts to control during this time. But I felt that he did give the aircraft the needed priority. That said, this is from my limited experience so feel free to let me know what you think!
So we are clear. Mayday is actually overused and is supposed to be broadcast when the situation is dire. More appropriate would be a pan call, but neither is really necessary if good and clear communications are already established. Neither call would have resulted in any different outcome, and could only had the possibility of making the situation more panicky. There is no magic wand issued to anyone just because some used the magic mayday call. If the airspace was say very busy, and the controller was having near constant calls to and from other aircraft a pan or mayday call might be appropriate to get attention to where it was needed. But with only two aircraft in the area it was hardly a necessity
@efoxxok7478 nah man. Smoke in the cockpit for me would be a Mayday call with an immediate return to whatever runway I think would be best. I wouldn't waste making calls like hey tower can you hear me? is it OK if I do this and that? I would use the atc for help but not to chit chat.
@@efoxxok7478 Fire and/or smoke in the cockpit is definitely a mayday. He had loss of oil pressure and smoke in the cockpit. Mayday and declare intentions. This saves time. Notice the ground instead declared the mayday for him. Mayday has nothing to do with panicking. Once down another pilot tells ground they can see a fire under the nose of the plane - then ground immediately tells the pilot to just stop the plane and evacuate. How is mayday over used? The pilot literally said he was heading back but also looking for a landing spot in case he couldn't make it. In what situation would you prefer the pilot use mayday if not in this? There are rules for these things and mayday will not make a situation "more panicky". A mayday AUTOMATICALLY places the aircraft as priority with controllers and basically clears the decks for the pilot to do whatever he needs to to get the plane on the ground safely.
I’m not sure if you understand that being in a tower isn’t like the movies. In a situation like that the controller is often already working the cab by himself. He is coordinating with the local fire department as there is likely none already on this field, he is coordinating with approach or center, and he still has to work his other traffic.
Don't know what you mean. Pilot failed to declare a mayday (pilot is the only person who knows what is going on). Once the controller heard, HE declared the mayday and immediately informed the pilot that he was cleared for any runway... he even gave him the current winds... What more did you want? He can't put a ladder up and take over the plane? He got traffic out of the area. Then those claiming 20660 "needs to stay off the air"... really? So you want him to just possibly fly into the guy?
Based on the audio, it does feel like it took them more than 2 minutes to arrive, but I am unable to confirm the actual timings. Based on the news, they mentioned that the fire was put out quickly.
Pretty sure they don’t have a fire station on the airport. The fire station is off airport and serves the city and needs to be called and drive to the airport. This is the case for most small municipal airports in the US.
Huh? Tower is doing fine. This is NOT Myrtle Beach International Airport - this is a small airport tucked in 15 miles northeast. It has 1 strip (5 and 23 at about 5k feet usable length). I am very sure they do not have emergency crews - they are NOT serving larger planes. I believe the controller was saying it was local fire crews that were coming.
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N20660 needs to just stay off the air. Yakkity yakkity in the middle of an emergency. Sheesh.
I thought the calls by the other aircraft were insightful, helpful, and in no way interfered with the emergency.
So it would be better to have the pilot possibly fly into the emergency craft (which is now off their flight plan and turning back into the airfield)?
Control and the pilots aren't playing a video game. They actually have to tell each other what they want or need... It isn't a great idea to just do whatever and hope it works.
Impressive calm guy
He almost sounds like breaking into a song too!
i don’t care for controllers phraseology
I understand what you mean. It does sound a little weird if you take a step back but I hope you enjoyed the video!
Do let me know if you have any good stuff!
Your aircraft is on fire. You can get out, "if you want to."
I mean, that is optional if you really think about it.
@@burtcale6055I hope you understand that airport is one that is frequently used for flight training. There is always the possibility that would be a student who didn’t know he could exit the aircraft right there, but that also gave the option to an experienced pilot to make a judgment call.
The guy is so calm it's like this is normal
Sounded like a solid badass!
I think a calmer pilot may have declared a mayday - would have saved a few radio transmissions.
I mean a hint you should call mayday is when you have smoke in the cabin and are telling control you might have to land the plane somewhere besides the airfield.
20660 needed to stay off of freq.
And possibly fly into the other plane?
I guess they don't have the benefit of having an overhead view and mind reading capabilities - so they kind of have to talk to each other.
That controller was not engaged at all!
I agree with your point. But thankfully, everyone was safe at the end of the day.
What I need you to do is not tie up the entire frequency, other airplane
I know I'm writing this from my couch but couple of things. 1. if i have smoke in the cockpit my call would be "Mayday Mayday Mayday Sierra alpha is returning back to the field ". i would be telling tower what I'm doing instead of the back and forth convo and questions.
2. is it just me or the tower was just god awful slow in his reaction? almost sounded like he was over consumed by something other than um smoke in the cockpit in an aircraft in distress.
It is definitely easier to discuss this with hindsight, but I can agree with your perspective. That said, I found it quite impressive how cool and composed the pilot was during this incident.
As for the tower controller, he did have a few other aircrafts to control during this time. But I felt that he did give the aircraft the needed priority.
That said, this is from my limited experience so feel free to let me know what you think!
So we are clear. Mayday is actually overused and is supposed to be broadcast when the situation is dire. More appropriate would be a pan call, but neither is really necessary if good and clear communications are already established. Neither call would have resulted in any different outcome, and could only had the possibility of making the situation more panicky. There is no magic wand issued to anyone just because some used the magic mayday call. If the airspace was say very busy, and the controller was having near constant calls to and from other aircraft a pan or mayday call might be appropriate to get attention to where it was needed. But with only two aircraft in the area it was hardly a necessity
@efoxxok7478 nah man. Smoke in the cockpit for me would be a Mayday call with an immediate return to whatever runway I think would be best. I wouldn't waste making calls like hey tower can you hear me? is it OK if I do this and that? I would use the atc for help but not to chit chat.
@@efoxxok7478 Fire and/or smoke in the cockpit is definitely a mayday. He had loss of oil pressure and smoke in the cockpit. Mayday and declare intentions. This saves time. Notice the ground instead declared the mayday for him. Mayday has nothing to do with panicking.
Once down another pilot tells ground they can see a fire under the nose of the plane - then ground immediately tells the pilot to just stop the plane and evacuate.
How is mayday over used? The pilot literally said he was heading back but also looking for a landing spot in case he couldn't make it. In what situation would you prefer the pilot use mayday if not in this?
There are rules for these things and mayday will not make a situation "more panicky". A mayday AUTOMATICALLY places the aircraft as priority with controllers and basically clears the decks for the pilot to do whatever he needs to to get the plane on the ground safely.
I think the controller must have had smoke in the tower because he wasn't on top of the situation at all and seemed to lead from behind.
Thankfully the pilot appeared to be on top of the situation and landed without any serious injury!
I’m not sure if you understand that being in a tower isn’t like the movies. In a situation like that the controller is often already working the cab by himself. He is coordinating with the local fire department as there is likely none already on this field, he is coordinating with approach or center, and he still has to work his other traffic.
Thank you for sharing! That explains alot.
Dude was probably vaping.
Don't know what you mean.
Pilot failed to declare a mayday (pilot is the only person who knows what is going on).
Once the controller heard, HE declared the mayday and immediately informed the pilot that he was cleared for any runway... he even gave him the current winds... What more did you want? He can't put a ladder up and take over the plane? He got traffic out of the area.
Then those claiming 20660 "needs to stay off the air"... really? So you want him to just possibly fly into the guy?
Fire appliance should be already on the runway. Poor from the tower.
Based on the audio, it does feel like it took them more than 2 minutes to arrive, but I am unable to confirm the actual timings. Based on the news, they mentioned that the fire was put out quickly.
Pretty sure they don’t have a fire station on the airport. The fire station is off airport and serves the city and needs to be called and drive to the airport.
This is the case for most small municipal airports in the US.
That would be my guess too. The subsequent audio did mention something along the lines of opening the gate for the fire engine which would make sense.
Huh? Tower is doing fine.
This is NOT Myrtle Beach International Airport - this is a small airport tucked in 15 miles northeast. It has 1 strip (5 and 23 at about 5k feet usable length).
I am very sure they do not have emergency crews - they are NOT serving larger planes. I believe the controller was saying it was local fire crews that were coming.