The Climb Bran Stark II Weirwood King of Winterfell A Game of Thrones Obsidian Nights Podcast E9
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- Do you miss Game of Thrones? Well, During the Wait until House of the Dragon comes out, I've got you covered. The Obsidian Nights Podcast is a deep dive into A Song of Ice and Fire Chapter by Chapter! This is a look at the story thru a completely different scope, A new adventure in the world we all love. In this Episode of the A Song of Ice and Fire Podcast known as Obsidian Nights, Episode 9 Bran II I have a special guest with me Joe Magician and We will be dissecting Bran's Climb from boy who climbs and fears Weirwoods to Weirwood King of Winterfell! The Bread crumbs for King Bran might have been laid long ago! Thanks for Watching!
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I swear this woman has the prettiest speaking voice I've ever heard
100% agreed, its like soothing
I think so too! So nice to listen to
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Bran the Broken is actually mentioned in Bran VI, AGOT:
"Broken, Bran thought bitterly as he clutched his knife. Is that what he was now? Bran the Broken? 'I don't want to be broken,' he whispered fiercely..."
If Bran wouldn't been broken, he'd grow into a really strong man. I mean damn you need muscle to climb so easily along the walls and all
"I dont believe in season 8" realest shit I ever heard!✊🏾🤣
I think you guys are correct that the dire wolves are not connected to Blood Raven. Except for Ghost. I think Ghost could have been used by BR to infiltrate the pack. He was found separate and apart. And in the coloring that represents BR. Just a thought...
Bran is already watching from above, in a detached way, even before he hooks into the weirwood network.
Plus, children were treated as adults in medieval society. High-born girls were married as soon as they could have children, boys were fostered to other lords. low-born children went to work as maids or stable boys, etc.
There is a lot of evidence that childhood was a thing in Medieval times, but not adolescence. You might not want to read too much into things.
I swear every time my depression gets really fucked up, Grey puts a video out. 💙💜💚
Same
I absolutely love Obsidian Nights.
Boars and Littlefinger! We literally have no story without them!
True. Jon Aryns rolling in his grave.
Tbf you dont want to correct ur guest costar over some details
Sarah Ibrahim He likely was behind Brandon and Rickard’s death as well. Someone told Brandon that Rhaegar “took” Lyanna.
Sarah Ibrahim ? Ok?
Shannon T In Deep Geek also believes that Littlefinger told Brandon that Rheagar “took” Lyanna possible in the crossroads Inn
The only way I could see Rhaegar wanting to name Jon "Aegon" is if he already knew of the sack of Kings Landing and knew His 1st Aegon was dead. You would think he would be named after Visenya, all things considered. Though, I always though Jaeherys was a good, fitting choice for Jon.
i made my own fan fiction based on season 8 called "the measure of the broken wolf" where essentially Jon finds out Bran actually planned everything to happen the way it did leading Jon to question if Bran should actually be put on trial for not preventing the massacre in kings landing.
Maybe the boars that were Robert’s bane, represented his gluttonous & coarse nature?
Loved this podcast with Gray Area and Joe Magician.
There's also foreshadowing for King Bran in ADWD, I saw it in Melissandre's chapter when she said she prayed to her Rhollor to show her the King and she a a tree with a 1000 eyes and one, then someone with red eyes and she thought to herself is this the enemy? then beside him there was a boy with a wolf's face and he threw his head back and howled (these aren't the exact words but I'm close lol)
I agree about the debate of King Bran. Bran is where Thrones failed us the most. The 3 eyed crow, children, Weirwoods, etc have been manipulating events since the Direwolves and the Stag found near Winterfell. Bran may not “want” the Throne, but Bloodraven does! I honestly feel they could have made one simple flash scene in the finale showing “Bran” did everything versus nothing and this alone would have altered MANY overall opinions for the final season.
@@shannond7437 I agree. They definitely should've given us a flashback showing us that bran was manipulating everything because the way he became king was just stupid.
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GrayArea i saw others complaining about this and assumed. Kev at B4 even did a low res on the community page because of this!
Personally I think this chapter shows jaime’s true personality. His first instinct is to save Bran. Not until he starts thinking about Cersei does he turn dark.
In the books, Blood Raven said he had been watching Bran for a long time. He knew that he had found a boy who would continually yearn to climb to the highest heights with no fear in both a mental and physical state. Caitlyn tried her best to stop Bran from scaling the castle landscapes as he was going so high. She also feared the advancement (career highs) of Ned to the Hand of the King and Rob to advance to King over Westeros.
I think George forshadowed the "King Bran" thing by picking the Summer name. Summer is when Bran will do the reigning. It goes along with Arya picking a female warrior name. She'll be a warrior. Sansa will be the "Lady" of Winterfell. Jon will become a "ghost". Makes me really think it's Jon's sacrifice that makes Summer possible!
King bran doesn't seem realistic to me without the age up. I can't see the Lord's submitting to a kid and taking that without rebellion even if the kid has magical abilities.
And Robb's time in power was just a...grey wind, sweeping through.
@@kvereensr1 I always thought the ages of the younger kids would be a problem in the book.. But then again danny married the khal at 13 (aryas age now) and the last two books are going to be massive so who knows
If the dire wolves foreshadow the Stark kids, i believe Lady's fate is the same as Sansa's. Meaning, Sansa will become a Lady and then be betrayed by someone she loves and killed.
After all the waiting we’ve done and all the ups and downs we have been through .( not to mention S8 ) If Jon is sacrificed I will be inconsolable. I really thought that with the reveal of Jon’s parentage I felt sure he would be king . How is Bran the song of ice and fire ? I thought that that was the whole theme of the books ? Please don’t let me have misread the omens
That's awesome that your taking on guest now. This series is great!
Boars fight, when hunted. That's the only way Robert felt alive anymore. He couldn't fight in a tourney, no one would dare strike the king. Robert wanted excitement again, like when he was young. Funny, my name's Robert too, and I wish for my younger days as well
One of the things that is interesting about Bran is that his storline heavilly mirrors Dany's storyline, but more on a magical level compared to the political.
One thing I belive the ending in the books will be different from the show ending is that Bran as King won't let the Targaryen household to go extinct like in the show. I belive that in order to satisfy the Targ loyalists, will reveal Jon's true parantage before being crowned king, then send Jon to Winterfell with the task to rebuild House Targaryen, adapt the direwolf sigil and words and replace the Starks as Kings of Winter. In other words, he'll make sure that Bloodraven's oponents lose the game of thrones by officially uniting the Starks and the Targaryens into a single house.
I have a theory about this. I'm planning to read The Iliad, The Odyssey, and The Aeniad after this video to check. 😎
I think that you have to be in a coma or have a near death experience to open your 3rd eye. That’s why Bran see the body’s of the others who didn’t open their 3rd eye on spikes, because they did not fly in his vision. So they died. Maybe when bloodraven was stabbed in the eye by Bittersteel the same thing happened to him. Also if Johns not dead at the end of ADWD, and in a coma the same sort of thing may happen to him.
It's about losing something to gain something I think, just like in the myth's of Odin sacrificing his eye to gain knowledge. I mean Arya may not be a greenseer but when she lost her sight, she gained more power as a skinchanger. That's when she began skinchanging into cats, along with Nymeria. I fully expect Jon to have more power when he's resurrected too.
@@rianbeegles3349 So Bloodraven could very well be construed as Odin here, if the original commenter was correct in that he gained his "knowledge" after having his eye out.
@@made-line7627 Oh for sure! There are a lot of Odin-like figures that pop up in ASOIAF. Beric is another Odin-like figure and as we can see with his true introduction in the Hollow Hills, his symbolism matches Bloodravn's greatly. Euron also matches this symbolism of Odin, but of course he's a "dark" version. Jon also has this symbolism too considering he almost got his eyes clawed out, but just like he rejected exploring his warg nature, he never quite looses an eye or his sight quite yet. Arya looses her sight and advanced from warg to skinchanger, plus learning the skills to navigate her way in the darkness. These are the ones I can think of off the top of my head, but I know there are a lot more. I know Lucifer Means Lightbringer explores this symbolism way more in-depth if you are interested, if you haven't checked him out already. :D GRRM definitely makes it a theme that if you want to gain something you have to sacrifice something, knowing or unknowingly. Bran lost the use of his legs to become a greenseer, and Arya lost her sight and it advanced her skinchanger abilities, so yes I do think once Bloodravn lost his eye, he advanced in power. :)
I've been listening to this on and off during the day and let me tell you it's been a pretty bad day for me so I just want to thank you guys so much. This is such an interesting discussion and you guys worked really well together focusing on it! I can really tell you both really care about the subject and really love the story. Thank you!!!! Love the obsidian nights podcast so much!!!
In my opinion, Bran being king will mean being King in the North. As you both note, Bran is deeply connected to Winterfell and the North. In ACOK, he likens Winterfell's state to his own, not dead just broken. Bran becoming King of Westeros still doesn't make sense. KITN!Bran has always been the endgame that the books seemed to point to, IMO. The show altered it to make Sophie Turner happy since she's been pushing for Sansa to be important and becoming queen.
As for him being afraid of the tree, maybe a future version of him tried to communicate with him before the start of the story. Catelyn already noted that she felt like she was being watched by the tree.
A theory I like is that the stark kids' powers come from the Tully side of the family. So maybe Catelyn can sense someone is spying through the trees, but since she didn't develop her skills all of that is just a felling.
Of course it could be that the tree is creepy
Rickon stark
“The last warg king”
It's one of my absolute favorite photos from the illustrated book, is that one of Bran atop Winterfell. And you said he looks like he was flying and it totally does!! This is exactly how i picture him too!!💗
Gray, I'm definitely with you as far as bran the broken being cannon! It just makes a ton of sense. The way you dissect these chapters, read and reread.. I mean for me, you make this shit make sense
I love how he addressed his voice crack like omg how this happened? When it’s been cracking since the start of the video haha. What a cutie patootie 😭💕
Sigh, one day I'll finish puberty
Joe Magician haha one day... and in this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword.
@@kingofmeereen it's actually my voice has been going hoarse recently, think from my twice weekly long streams. Im trying to drink more tea and honey.
Joe Magician chewing on ginger is good too! 💓
Bran is my favorite, his chapters in winterfell are amazing...
Thanks for keeping this going, glad to hear from Joe too!!!
Please keep the juice flowing!
Awesome vid Gray. And love Joe!!!💙✌having guests is fun!! I'll be messaging you. I love to talk about ANYTHING GoT💜💜📑
On another note, did the Starks always have direwolfs? I mean, there are stone direwolfs at the feet of the Starks in the crypts below Winterfell and it was an "easy" decision for Ned to allow his children the Direwolfs. But I could find no info anywhere that say Bandon the Builder or Cregan Stark had Direwolfs. We have a very detailed history of the life and deaths of the dragons, but no info about Direwolfs. Did the old Starks have Direwolfs? If so, why is there no info. If not, why do the Starks in the crypts have the wolfs at their feet, and why oh why would Ned allow the children to keep the pups? (I would compare that to finding a litter of tiger kittens and allowing your children to keep them) Note,I know no Direwolf had been found south of the wall for along time at the start of A game of thrones.
All I know is that Benjen told Jon at the Winterfell feast that there were still direwolves north of the Wall. Your question is heaps legit though. All of the Kings of Winter had one put on their tomb, though none of the most famous Starks had a live one. Weird. If Bran the Builder was the founder of House Stark, perhaps the tradition wasn't in place, then. Yeah, I don't know!
A sign for time travelling Bran?
I like the idea that the Starks and their direwolves were so close bc of their warging that it's just common knowledge that the Starks have direwolves so no one mentions it. Like how we write "add 2 large eggs" in a recipe, not "add 2 large chicken eggs". So if a story says So-and-so Stark traveled here and did this, it's supposed to be implied "so-and-so Stark and their direwolf"
I think the Stark kids have been brought up to see the Night’s Watch as a noble calling. Many Starks have been in the NW historically and for the Starks of the story their uncle Benjen is a member. So I don’t think they’re that naive in this respect, they just believe what they’ve been told.
But if Robert wanted venison, wouldn’t that kind of make him a cannibal??
J Mace LOL GOOD ONE
English is not my first language,can you please explain what venison is
Katarina Vujic Deer meat
@@soy.sauce.latte. girl, you don't have Google translate :)?
@@jessiemagee1760 l do but it is translated to a word that could mean almost any kind of meat.
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Yaaayy!!! My 2 favs!!! Hi 👋🏼 Gray and Matt!
They are my favorites too!
My two favorites!!! I was already excited that this was a long video and now it was just made that much better. Hey Matt, I just finished listening to How Aegon will take Storm"s End :)
I don't think Johns name is Aegon either.
I think Bran the Broken is cannon. D&D proved they couldn’t come up with any details, George will just make it make sense.
Gray Area!!!
I personally don't think KING BRAN foreshadowing is strong in this chapter but rather think that the "Robb not knowing Winterfell like I do" is nod to 3 eyed raven stuff & Bran going through true history of stuff either on or off paper.
PS. Since Jon Arryn was investigating Cersei's kids at Stannis' behest, his sudden death likely made Stannis feel vulnerable and then Stannis most likely left King's Landing AFTER Robert announced that he was going North to ask Ned to be his hand
Remember that the Weirwood Net is the accumulated memory of all the humans of the past. It’s not really alien or inhuman. It’s collective human consciousness as opposed to individual human consciousness. So imo the weirwood net is not evil, it just has a different perspective on History because it goes back so far in time. Maybe if Bran had tried to stop Dany burning KL a lot more people would have died in the long run.
Excellent as usual!
It's so weird not hearing your other ending on your other show "OKayeee, Ma Sweet Summer Chillldrennn, Have a good Day" Lmbo!!! I just had too!!!
I love ❤️ your podcast. Keep bringing the juice.
Bran's plot is similar to one of the messiah child in Memories, Sorrows and Thorne.
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The picture is wrong. Robert is supposed to be one of the tallest characters in the story. In the show he is played by a rather modestly sized actor. But Robert Baratheon was supposed to be 6' 6".
Mark Addy was the perfect Bobby B! I’ll take the size difference for the show to have his portrayal! Seven hells! 😂
I just started reading the SOIAF series. This is the perfect companion
Love you both 😍💙
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Oh I'm definitely going to buys Quinn's book I've been looking forward to his graphic novel for some time now and I definitely have to get on an episode of obsidian nights OMG especially with everything going on in the world right now that would just make this year so much better for me so I definitely will be heading over to twitter now to leave my DM request LOL hopefully I win the Golden ticket and I do think I'm quite knowledgeable on all things George RR martin and A song of Ice and fire
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Your voice is so soothing I could listen to it all day.
Awesome how all direwolves names and personality are foreshadowing of their masters destiny (Dah x 1000):
Ghost is white as a Targaryen's silver-white hair (R + L = J , baby). Ghost is the place where Jon Snow's "ghost/soul/spirit" will reside before returning to his body. Ghost is the renegade/outsider of his pack, Ghost is the smallest of his pack, but he eventually grows to be larger than his mates, likewise, at the beginning of the story Jon Snow is a simple bastard but he will become a legend (That without taking into account his right to sit in the most uncomfortable seat in Westeros).
Grey Wind, wind is a destructive force or influence as Robb will be, but the gray color has connotations of sadness (His early death), and his birth is a gray area (If you subscribe to the theory that Robb is Brandon's child). Robb will be the king who came and went like a gray wind.
Lady adopts Sansa's trusting nature, to the point that she does not even sense Ned's intention to kill her. So, Sansa's romantic idea of being a "lady", princes, honorable knights, chivalry, and love will die, and so her trusting and dainty ways, she will be cunning like a fox.
Nymeria is easy, she was named after Princess Nymeria of the Rhoynar, so Nymeria (direwolve) and Arya's story will mirror the story of the Princess of Dorne.
Shaggydog, The black brother, I think Rickon will be like Edward of Woodstock, known to history as the Black Prince, named this way due to his dreaded acts and not from his complexion. What dreadful acts Rickon will commit?, you might wonder, well I think we might in the future see Rickon Stark returning astride Shaggydog commanding a Skagosi cannibal army mounted on charging unicorns committing dreadful acts, or at least, acts with which someone like Jon Snow or Ned Stark will not agree.
And Finally Summer, the direwolve of old Nan's summer child. After Bran's fall, "Summer" spends every moment he can howling beneath his [Bran] window. Even when chased away, "Summer" returns and continues howling (Just like summer baby, will keep coming). So, Bran will be the summer king who will reign after the long night (winter) is defeated.
Sorry, that was too f*cking long...
Jamie's push wasn't a hard choice for him. He made it pretty quick, but also, that wouldn't occur to most people as an option at all. And the catch and questioning was probably selfishly motivated, because Bran may have caught himself and been able to get away before he figured out how to shut the kid up.
I think Summer howled while he was climbing to ensure Bran kept climbing, because Bran does the opposite of what he's told...Don't climb.. (Bran climbs more often,screw you,Mom)..
Nobody ever talks about the book Black Elk Speaks that was a true story about a Oglala Lakota Medicine man who had a similar experience as Bran, where he was in a coma and was brought to the center of the world
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I am Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, of the blood of Old Valyria! I am the dragon's daughter, and I swear to you that those who would harm you will die screaming!
What actually makes us think Rhaegar is the one that named the baby? There isn't real proof that he knew Lyanna was pregnant. But even if he did know, he was pretty convinced he would survive the war and come back, so what are the odds he already decided the name before he left? Maybe Lyanna named the baby with her own motives 😮
First of all, wonderful collaboration you guys! It's always a pleasure watching your videos and hearing your ideas. Keep it up!
And second, I would like to address the Weirwood-elephant in the room. Perhaps you guys can help me out here.
ASOIAF leads us to believe that Brynden RIvers/Bloodraven/Three-eyed Crow/The last greenseer is able to see through the eyes of the faces carved into the Weirwood trees by the Children of the Forest, by being connected to the "Weirwood-net" through his entanglement in the roots of the giant Weirwood atop his cave.
Does this mean that he can bear witness only to things that happened before a Heart Tree? Such as the things Bran Stark sees in Bloodraven's cave when he enters the "Weirwood-net" (the little girl and boy playing swords, whom we suspect was Lyanna Stark and little Benjen, and the woman sacrificing a man in front of the heart tree in Winterfell)
Or
Does connecting you to the "Weirwood-net" turn you into some omnipotent/omnipresent/spirit being that can just go anywhere in time and see shit that happened? Example:
Show Bran SOMEHOW being able to witness Littlefinger whisper "I did warn you not to trust me" in Lord Eddard's ear in the Red Keep, despite not a single Weirwood tree/carved face present or around, and his "Chaos is a ladder" speech.
The reason I'm asking this is because I hear an alarming amount of people talk about Bran Stark and his abilities (in context of the books) and how he's going to do this and this and this at the end of TWOW and ADOS by using the Weirwood-net, despite there being almost no Weirwoods left the further South you go. Sometimes it sounds like people are conveniently forgetting that to some degree, there ARE limitations to Bran's power as the last Greenseer, despite being able to see past, present and future.
I dunno. Am I crazy for writing this? I apologize in advance if I've missed something obvious and if I've just made a massive ass of myself. But if you could shed some light perhaps on exactly where Bran's influence could possibly stretch bearing in mind where Weirwood trees are growing. I'm assuming no Weirwoods grow in Dorne...
Once again, Grey and Joe Magician, loved this video and I'm a big fan!
Yeah, it should have limits or at least other ways to reach those areas without weirwoods even if it's not in the same way.
I don't think that 'it's just magic, bro' suffices this part. Taking into account that magic in this world has some costs.
i feel its cause he thought the first aegon was the prince that was promised until he realized he needed to have it with a stark. .then wanted to make sure his sons name was fit for a king.
Broken boys can climb high walls and broken men (like Theon) can leap off them.
Wights are about as broken as they come.
I have a channel and love a song of ice and fire!
I'd love for Preston Jacobs to make an appearance!
Preston is “probably wrong about 1/2 of this”! His theories are fascinating especially the Deeper Dorne!
I don’t think he collabs with people.
I thought he does Red Team review. Either way, I hope you ask.
Ive got my bowl of trix and im ready to go.
You don't need magic to notice someone looking at you when you're doing something you shouldn't.
Specially if your life and your kid's lives depend on it. Usually in a secret couple, there's at leats one person taking the responsibility of watching out. Even if it's a 'safe place'. These siblings have decades on it, so it must be routine.
IDK... it seems to me that Bran was going to fall... he was startled at having been seen... and by the Kingslayer and the queen no less. Jamie's first act, his first impulse, was to save him... and I think he's able to rationalize or justify killing him in thinking that had he not caught him, Brandon would have fallen anyway. And that may be true... it seems that Brandon losing the use of his legs was fated... so he would seek out Blood Raven. So in Jamie's mind, it's easy to think that Brandon would have fallen anyway, so his actions just re-sets what was supposed to happen anyway.
GA!!!
Bran is definitely wiser, Sansa is the only one who is 100% happy to go south. Aria is not happy but mostly because she misses Jon.
He was wrong about Rickon and Shaggy Dog. A shaggy dog is a meandering and complex story that ultimately goes nowhere and is characterised by an anti-climax.
Good stuff as always GA. I've been really interested in book Euron lately, he's a horrifying character and I believe he's going to have a major end game impact. Do you plan on touching on book Euron in later episodes?
Could Bloodraven have caused Robert to crave both boars through his dreams or other influence?
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I always thought Jon was named by Rhaegar after his friend Jon Connington
I love that u guys support each other i love quinn and joe and LML and the order of the greenhand u and rawrist are my favs
Bran makes me think of Ratatoskr from Norse mythology but I can't really explain why. It's probably because Ned called him a squirrel.
I had strange dreams at age four and no one to answer my "whys" so around 6 or 7 I started answering them myself i matured mentally faster because of that I think.. Bran makes sense to me. He loves to climb, challenge. He likes the views, seen things that the people around him cant relate too. Plenty of examples that makes him extra ordinary. On top of that dream can impact a Childs growth and bran had crazy ones. I think grrm writs better Kids amoung other things pretty well.
But Sansa compared to every other Child was just...
See I like to think these character are archetypes. You can relate each character to a person Sansa is a special kinda stupid EVERYONE WARNED HER lol naive is a understatement but thats the charm its common. She want to live out a fairytale at all cost even if she unintentionally doing the most she just so naive and... Shallow that she just has her head in the clouds. But that backfires and forces her to be wiser and "deep".
Jon was also stupid and naive but it didn't cost the same for him as it did for Sansa. Family wise.
But I don't think Sansa is a bad character. It makes sense for the situation and how she was raised. She is a very well written character and I can relate to her in some things. I ignored and closed my eyes in front of all the bad things and escaped to my ideal wish of life.
@@justarandomgirlvx3578 yeah i agree shes well written and believable. She was a sheltered princess, very naive and some what shallow. But she has some of the most development from a little girl to young lady.
For me i think George tells a story that mirror people of our day and age. Boys running off to be soliders unaware of what that means and what they are sacrificing. Girls chasing that naive dreams ignoring others advice. Greed and power will stand ontop but things done in darkness eventually come to light but it also sometimes doesnt. Like i see alot of our world and issue mirrored in asoiaf. Despite it being set in a fantasy medieval world.
Plus i was a big brother to 4 girls i know how it is. i literally went threw a "jon saves sansa" moment more than 3 times. Lol
bored yup george does an excellent job at making this world feel so real and makes us relate to the characters. there is no PoV character which I don't like. The only PoV character I cannot judge is Areo Hotah, but I love the fact that he is more of a watcher, because I think it doesn't give away to much information for us, which makes Dorne to a riddle. It is good to have kind of neutral povs, even though he is not completely neutral, but he is the closest to neutral we have. And he still feels like a human being. Because even Areo has his moments when he slips to judge things. But right now his character isn't as fleshed out as the others
Well now I'm even more convinced Bran and Arya are more connected than I thought, and I've found a lot of connections that might mean these two specifically being a team - Warg King and Warg Queen essentially (see LML's King Bran 1 video on that) - during the War for the Dawn. Arya and Bran have quite a few parallels from their arcs post-ASOS, but I didn't realize how many parallels they also shared from the beginning. Arya also climbs and resides in trees, especially in Harrenhal and the Riverlands and she is also called a Squirrel while with the Brotherhood, several times - Arya has a ton of associations with the Children of the Forest also - and like it was said in the video Arya also spies on Illyrio and Varys later in the book. Not to mention Arya and Bran also share some of the deepest connections with their direwolves right away, besides Jon, and they seem to share nearly the same type of love for Winterfell's people no matter their status, and that's not even everything I picked up from this one chapter on their parallels!
Like I said I think in the War for the Dawn Bran and Arya are going to specifically be a team, but I also feel things are also being set up for Arya continuing to be there for Bran. I know GrayArea has different thoughts about Arya's endgame, but I keep becoming more and more convinced that Arya is going to sit on Bran's Council at the end. I just think these two are way more connected to each other in the endgame than most people think.
Here is a great video by LML that kind of explains what I think will happen with Bran and Arya during the War for the Dawn: King Bran 1: The Greenseer Kings of Ancient Westeros
and another great LML video about Arya's associations with the Children of the Forest which is obviously a link to Bran and the Old Gods is: Weirwood Goddess 2: It's An Arya Thing
(In my Cardi B voice) WHAT IS THE REASON!!! WHAT IS THE REASON!!! WHAT IS THE REASON!!!! that in the most pivotal scene of the entire saga GRRM would introduce Jaime and Cersei's incestuous relationship... AT Winterfell... IN the Broken Tower.
How many red flags does GRRM have to wave??
I believe this scene is the KEY to everything, yet because of the salaciousness of the act everyone ignores the HUGE ELEPHANT in the room. Which is odd because the Targaryen incestuous relationships are taken for granted... yet outside of the Red Keep the same type of relationships at Winterfell in the "Old Keep" and at "Craster's Keep" are seen as unseemly. Why?
Everyone acknowledges that the Targaryen practice incest as a means to keep their connection to their dragons. The only other family that has a "magical" connection to an animal are the Starks to their dire wolves.
I also think that over time the saying "There is power in KinGs blood" is actually a corruption of " There is power in Kins blood" aka incest. If this is correct that means there is a power in incest particularly in the Targaryen and Stark lines as their blood has "magical" properties.
I am going on record (as if any one cares) to say that this scene was actually a REINACTMENT of a history that has repeated itself at least twice before in which two Stark women later gave birth to their bastards conceived from incest. (Hint Bael the Bard is a lie and so is The Tower of Joy concocted tales to hide incestuous births from two Stark maidens).
The three deadly sins of the North:
1. Not abiding by Guest Rights
2. Kin slaying
3. Incest
Doesn't "incest" seem out of place on this list? The first two are understandable to keep the peace but what is not practicing "incest" do? Seems like it was an "add-on". If there is power in kins blood then this would be a means to keep the Starks impotent ... and how and when did they separate from their dire wolves. Why are they all north of the wall? It's like Ygritte said to Jon that they have forgotten who they are.
All this to say GRRM put incest in the plot for a reason and is not just being salacious --- Once you see that then Craster makes perfect sense and why the Night King could only turn babies conceived by incest because HE was conceived by incest. The power of kinsblood was unknown to the Children of the Forest and unwittingly made him undead... same thing happened to John Snow. Melisandre did not resurrect him he became undead because he was born of kins blood.
Q: I'm really confused about why you say that Bloodraven wanted Bran to fall (I think this is the second video where I've heard you say that). I remember Bloodraven wanting Bran to _fly,_ and there were a bunch of scattered bones below, of those who failed to fly, and fell. The three-eyed crow was very adamant that he had to fly in order to avoid the same fate... falling.
I think Jon Snows real name is Jaehaerys. Don’t know why, something made sense to me somewhere.
Yes Bran is wise at 7 and Sansa is, well, Sansa at 12.
I’m not a Sansa hater anymore, but skip her chapters on re reads .... This is wasser30 btw! So nice to see our community on fire even after S8. After 20+ years reading Asoif, my brother wanted me to watch GOT with him for his first time to understand why O have so many dragons and wolves for home decor. And so we did in a week bc of the lockdown .He’s 49. Very smart but loved the ending ... see how much we need to stick together?
M, S and T forever.
If you invite me to your podcast, you know I’m going to talk about the 9,99 party city wig they put on Rhaegar. He’s supposed to be Apollo.
Don’t even get me started. Maegor the Cruel (the cat) send his regards.
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I don’t think Rhaegar would have named both of his sons Aegon. I think Lyanna made the choice after the Sack of Kings Landing because she knew Rhaegar wanted a son called Aegon, and with his first one dead it was only logical she named their son that
The great boar conspiration
While i don't believe Jon is an Aegon, check out the Scottish royal family. James III named his first two son's James (James IV and James Stewart of Duke of Ross aka the backnup 🤦♀️)
There was literally a story before Ned died, though.
King Robert is a boor. Dude was hoist by his own petard.
The one thing i couldn’t stand about the show is Robert getting killed before finding out about Jamie and Cersei ! And Ned got to fuck up tywin !
The broken tower is where Bran was broken
Jon's name was supposed to be Visenya
Why did they name Dany's brother Viserys though? I've seen other people say this, I'm genuinely confused