You could review literally anything and I would still watch. Great script, pacing, and a friendly voice. You are a great personality and I look forward to all your uploads. :)
@@danielbarrera4635 I'm just saying I like how well he makes his videos, to the point I'll probably watch anything he makes. Including something as Dumb as a comparison between socks.
which is why its narratively consistent with the rest of the cinematic universe, but no other movie broke the DCEU as much as this one did, not even Josstice League lmao
@@ethankleinman1067 People really undermine how much influence a producer has over a film, if he didn't like it, he could've said, but he personally said he loved the movie even after all the criticisms.
I’m Surprised you never made a connection with this plot hole were Wonder Woman in the first movie her Mother refused to let her train until around her Teenage age Yet in Wonder Woman 1984 She participated in a training course alongside other amazons at a much younger age and her mother is okay with that 🤔
You're right. I didn't realise that. Wow. Just when I thought I got everything pegged with this movie, somehow even MORE plot holes seem to come out of it.
@@EricCarter12 or how Wonder Women somehow stayed a secret for decades even though in 1984 she got billions of witnesses(When she made a speech to the whole world.)
Ppl can shit on Snyder all they want, but him being a producer/writer of the first WW is what made it successful. As soon as he got fired from 84 it all went to shit with the narrative consistency...
@@thomasbailey8179 I am curious to see how it turns out. But I don't have confidence with the director as I was not that impressed with his two previous Spider-Man movies. Also aside from The Russo Brothers, I don't know how the other directors will juggle all of these characters. So I am more curious than I am excited. Although I AM excited for Sam Raimi to direct Tobey Maguire again as only HE knows how to PROPERLY direct his Spider-Man.
So apparently while Zack is a flawed director he's still way better than patty jenkin. Especially in terms of writing as he is one of the writers in the first one.
I really think Snyder is a great director. I haven’t seen a movie from him that I haven’t liked and I think Man of Steel, Watchmen, and 300 are awesome. Then again I haven’t seen Sucker Punch, Dawn of The Dead, and some of his other movies.
The finale did not make any sense. What if someone wished for the world ending or a global apocalypse? Also, the previous DC movies never discussed about everyone getting wishes in the 80’s!
I agree with you. What if someone wished for extinction? Or what if 1 person just 1 person didn’t take back their wish. I mean, that’s just incredibly lazy writing. Also I agree there should at least be a mention of these events in the other movies but there isn’t sooo that’s dumb. Also I blame 84 for that and not the other movies since they came out first.
Unfortunately, it ain't going to happen because WB don't want him involved in the DCEU anymore. Also it is going to look bad on WB if they fire a woman and hire a man to replace her, with cancel culture going on lol. Even if he doesn't direct it as long as he is fully involved along with the same team, such as stunt team, VFX team, writers, etc. WB should just get another female director for WW3.
@@Mr.PlayBoyX I hope he gets hired by another company and starts his new films, I'm exited to see more of his movies especially axtion ones. Maybe if he gets hired sony for example, I don't mind...
I’d give the first movie an 8 and the 2nd one a 5. There are some decent things in the 2nd one that keep it from being awful but it may just me be having a comic book movie craving after not having a new release for what felt like an eternity. Honestly if it came out in theaters without the pandemic I think people would like it less. Also the more I thought about 84 the less I like it. At first I was at 7 then immediately dropped to 6 now I’m at 5. And it’s in my top 3 worst movies of 2020 but then again I didn’t see that many movies compared to other years and I chose my movies I watch more wisely last year.
@@AndreNitroX yeah and another plot hole how was cheata able to get two wishes she use one to be like diana and the rich guy is basically the wish stone so make no sense
Here's my guess. The more wishes he grants the more powerful he becomes. The more powerful he becomes the less direct physical contact he needs to grant wishes
@@redram6080 if that the case he didnt need to hold hands with the president they could of just talk and ask for his whis like that or better yet explain the power of the wishing rock better
@@gamertality8778 in order for a story to work there has to be established rules. even if magic, time travel, reality warping is involved there has to be some logic, if there is none, than there is no story.
I had been using gal gadots Wonder Woman as the best example of how to do a female superhero movie for years only to use it again to explain why the second one sucks.
i still remember when i first watched wonder woman 84. And straight after that I watched one of your wonder woman videos. And that's when I realised. Eric is going to freakin hate this.
@@evan9902 and the fact that the opening action scene with young diana has far more screen time than Godzilla in "Godzilla 2014" and Darth Vader in "A New Hope" is criminal
Yeah man those writers for the first movie deserve all the credit. I thought patty was a great director until ww84. The way all these movies are getting circumcised in the name of identity politics is just only hurting them. No one likes that shit. I’m beyond disappointed how all of these movies are going - dc, marvel, star wars, disney. You can’t escape... Excellent video. Every point was nailed all the way home. Keep it up bruv💪🏽
@@thomasbailey8179 Easy Captain Marvel . At least WW 84 was still entertaining in some bits . Captain Marvel was just plain BORING.......... and BLAND ........
MAJOR UPDATE: Patty Jinkins isn't directing Wonder Woman 3 anymore. In fact, the film got canceled. For now. Apparently Patty and the productors had different visions for the third film. So Patty left. And now that the DC universe is being rebooted, I doubt WW3 will ever happen. Thank God.
The first movie is SOOOOOOOOOO much better. It made me love Rich Moore as an animated film director. Then Ralph Breaks the Internet happened and it ruins every good grace the first film had.
The fact that I waited a whole year to watch this movie because thanks to YOUR videos I discovered Wonder Woman and that I risked my health to see it in a cinema like "it deserved", to this day still bothers me. Wonder Woman deserves better. Also, doesn't this movie alone opens a plot hole about Diana closing herself from the world like she mentioned in BvS? Or will the Snyder cut try to fix that? Anyway, thank you for this video, I waited two months and I'm not disappointed at all. You really have a talent to put into words everything that is wrong with a movie.
Thanks so much for the kind words buddy. It really means a lot. :) Yeah that was just another plot hole from this movie. Another reason why it should NOT have taken place in the 80's. It really didn't do anything for the storytelling in the end.
They sure are. I had to take them out of some old archives, aswell as make a couple of new ones. But I used them with my previous Wonder Woman versus videos, so I decided to use them here too. For old times sake. But also because I like consistency. :) Thanks for watching Theo!
One of my main problems with the first Wonder Women is that if Steve was on the Germans side she could of been on the Germans side. Considering she just takes his perspective (becuase that's what the laso would revel) at face value and didn't question if her side was right. BTW this isn't me being pro German during WW1 from what I know they did some shitty things (though the allys did later as well) but I just feel it's more complex than it was made out to be.
It seems like Patty Jenkins is a good director as long as there are writers and producers who keep her straight, but when left to her own devices... That's when everything fall down,and now she's gonna tackle star wars, buuuut star wars is already dead to me, so I don't care. P.s: wanna know something hilarious? WW84 was the first movie that implemented anti sexual harassment policies, so they production team made themselves into complete hypocrites
Funny thing is I think this moovies suffers from Geoff Johns decision like most of his projects do. Comparing WW84 and Stargirl gives you that same look, vibe, action and lame funny tone instead of cool action, true philosophy and just an overdose on fake positivity. While WW and Zack's JL show that heroes are heroes by overcoming their fears and flaws, pride and scars, and showing that a heroes greatest strength comes within and fighting a conflict of what is right and fearing to fail, Geoff Johns steps on depth and reduces it to plot points. While Geoff Johns initial ideas can be cool and fantastic his storytelling is really flat and tends to abuse the story for potential fandom throw-ins and just stop before they can blew up. It's like riding a cool rollercoaster at the slowest speed. Stargirl suffers from it the same way: a beginning where every hero dies and a finally where all heroes come out with scratches and real development as long as it doesn't add up to a positive vibe (wild cat killing without feeling some shock or being haunted by the decision is weird). Most Action in Wonder Woman 84, Josstice League, Shazam, Green Lantern and Birds of Prey misses suspense ( + sometimes surprises) that kept me invested. It's like all action is defused to not scare kids away, as if a creepy villain or a menacing fight isn't kid-appropriate. Give us menaces that haunt us and heroes that are struggling to fall for them: give us character and exitement beyond a clowns show.... give us dancers on highwires
They were already playing on the "Monkey's Paw" thing in WW84 (and even directly referenced it twice), so realistically, Steve should've just been reanimated in his own body as a zombie. Not saying I would have wanted that to happen, but still. That's exactly what happened in that story.
Not only that, but when Max Lord had wished to be like the Wishing Stone, he should've started to turn into the stone, not lose his health. And what about his kid? He made a wish, too and nothing happened to him. And, I know I'm missing Barbara's first wish's consequences.
Look I agree that Wonder Woman 1984 did have a lot of bull crap ideas, plot holes, and is not as good as the first one, but I personally in my opinion don't think it was bad. I would say it's a okay film.
@@AndreNitroXLikewise. Lol a 20 minute episode of Billy and Mandy did a much better representation as to how the Monkey's Paw works and why you wouldn't want to use it. As apposed to a 2 hour and 30 minutes movie. Again, that doesn't put Wonder Woman 1984 in the best light.
When it comes to female writers it's kinda sad to think about. The fact that men are able to write a better story about powerful female characters because they aren't clouded by SJW thoughts is really sad, Patty Jenkins can't write a story because she's too busy trying to Girl Power everything and not all female writers are like this but alot are and Patty just seems to be a repeat offender.
The story is credited to Patty Jenkins and Geoff Johns (Former chief creative officer of DC) while the screenplay is listed as Patty Jenkins, Geoff Johns, and Dave Callham. I don't know who is responsible for the final script but with writers that had comic- book and superhero experience, I expected something reminiscent of the comics of that time. The messy story however felt more like a 70s comic than one from the 80's when writers were breaking away from the Comic Code Authority to tell more serious stories. The WW84 screenplay also uses the "woke" cliche of screenplay writing where the women are made strong by making the men awful (a choice that makes no one happy). I also agree there was no need to have Steve Trevor possess the body of "Handsome Man" (the character's name in the credits). If the wishing stone allowed giant walls and nuclear weapons to appear out of nowhere, a human being should not have been so complicated. For drama, the stone could have easily ripped him out of time right before his death in the plane making his return to that time more heartbreaking ...
The sequel is what Sam Riami did in Spider-Man 3. It juggles one and two many villains. As for Steve Trevor, it would be better if he was made from clay like Diana.
I don't understand why Patty didn't have Steve comeback as himself. I mean, when Barbara "wished" to be Cheetah, no reports of cheetahs dying off because her wish fed off of them.
The entire car chase scene just made me imagine the really good scene in Lego Indiana Jones where you go from desert car to desert car using each car to your advantage and the terrain to your enemies disadvantage. Except the Lego was the one that did it well
Agreed, so much! With the exception that - design aside - I didn’t even dislike Ares in the first movie. I think he was indeed the perfect antagonist, as he’s exactly what Diana is before she learns and matures: a god who stubbornly and naively thinks that humanity’s nature can only be reduced to “all good” or “all bad”. I liked that a lot.
This movie is a solid example of the tone and style DC is going for post Zack Snyder. Out of Aquaman, Shazam, and 1984, I'd say Shazam did the best job being a solid movie in the post Snyderverse JL. With that said, I definitely prefer MoS, BvS, and WW. Then you have Birds of Prey, THE Suicide Squad, and Joker which confuse me on what DC is trying to do with their movies lol. It's like Snyderverse, the Lighthearted films, and the R movies have all been headed by different teams.
100% disagree. Wonder Woman 1984 at least had good moments and fun action. It also felt genuine. Teen Titans Go is a shameless parody with juvenile humor that likes to troll their audience and is for toddlers. You may not like WW84, but it’s still far better than the dumpster fire that is Teen Titans Go.
I'm going to watch it again, but speaking of how messed up Diana's wish was made, Barbara's second wish was becoming more like a cheetah but no cheetahs are hurt or dying as a result. If an innocent man is being held against his will via Steve's spirit for the sake of WW's wish, why aren't cheetahs being hurt as a result of Barbara's second one?
Thanks buddy. Hopefully one day it will happen. The more shares and thumbs up's my videos get the more likely my channel will get recommended and promoted by TH-cam's algorithm. Thanks so much for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I was looking forward to this Versus video! Great job! I didn't expect 1984 to get the rating you gave it, but after your description of its events, I can understand why it did. When you were describing the goofy action scene in 1984, I also took note of the more saturated colors and made me wonder if it was trying to pay homage to the old Wonder Woman TV show. And with her turning the jet invisible, that's obviously a reference to the invisible plane from the Wonder Woman comics, but yeah, it did feel kinda forced in. ^^;
also, I'm gonna be honest, WandaVision has far better humor and can stay more consistent with its tone, especially with the last two episode (I have seen small clips of the movie on TH-cam to not spend money)
WW1984 aka the movie where lasso of truth can do anything the plot desire. Good video, very cathartic as someone who was very disappointed by this movie. What a disastrous sequel.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of this channel, but... In regards to Diana being a grapist , i have some thoughts on that. I understand to (us) the viewers, Steve's soul or whatever, was inhabiting the body of some dude against his will. However, Diana wished Steve would return. Now, this was similar to the "Monkey's Paw," and Diana probably had no idea that that was the case. To her, she saw Steve, not the other guy. So it's kinda hard to call her out on being a grapist since she had no idea. We only believe what we see with our own 2 eyes. And this was true for her, as well. Now am i saying part 2 was better, or even a good movie? Hell no! It was lame garbage. The trailer was pretty kick ass, but that's about it. I just think she should get a break for the whole grape thing. But i do agree with you on the whole, why didn't the rock just make the real Steve Trevor appear? And yeah it was weird to me to,(no pun intended) that Patty Jenkins, who had complete creative control btw, decided THAT was the best option.
The first Wonder Woman is way better in my opinion... in every way. Ww84 is just terrible and that's it. Can't wait for your Snyder Cut vs. Josstice League and... Godzilla vs. Kong against KOTM?
2 things to make Cheetah work is 1: Make her hate Wonder Woman like you said and 2. Have her 1 wish to be as magnificent as a Cheetah which could be set up as her favourite animal as strong and magnificent. And when she makes the wish the stone turns her into Cheetah. Edit: Also I actually looked forward to this movie cause I knew about her from the Injustice games.
I am SUPER late to viewing this...but *100%* I agree with *EVERYTHING* you said here. *EVERYTHING.* I honestly couldn't even finish _Wonder Woman: 1984._ (I stopped right before the highway fight scene in the desert). Wonder Woman isn't meant to be fighting two bit mall criminals; that's a job for the local police! *NOT* an Amazonian warrior princess demi-god! This was 💯 proof that the success of the first _Wonder Woman_ had *EVERYTHING* to do with Zack Snyder and his vision and very little to nothing to do with Patty Jenkins, who has shown that she has absolutely _NO_ understanding of, or respect for, the character. She is a paint by numbers director who literally only followed Zack Snyder's script and was given credit for HIS vision. In fact, in my personal head-canon, _WW: 1984_ doesn't even _exist._ Considering Patty is intimately involved in creating the 3rd and final Gal Gadot iteration of _Wonder Woman,_ I have NO FAITH that it will be anything good. Jenkins has shown that she is less interested in the warrior Amazon aspect of _Wonder Woman_ and more interested in the modern interpretation of "feelings" and "emotions." Seems VERY likely that _Zack Snyder's Justice League_ will be the final true version of this iteration of the Wonder Woman character.
yo it is just my opinion but the first movie was 1000 times better the 2 one is just trash... i thought i was watching Indiana jones that plot is horrible they could have stopped that just by wishing everyone renounced their wishes...
17:30 Yeah, where the heck did they go? Those are her main weapons along side the lasso. This is where the *WISHING STONE* could’ve come in handy. They should’ve had a scene where she threatens Maxwell with them and Maxwell tells one of his henchmen to wish them away. I mean, HISHE did something similar, but Maxwell had a henchman wish *her* away instead of her weapons. Anyone else agree?
I liked WW84, but it was a HUGE step down from the first one. The first one is amazing! GREAT video Eric! I loved every single second of it! You deserve so much attention and credit for the stuff you put out. Seriously, you are TOO underrated.... Can't wait for more to come!
@@EricCarter12 no problem man! I will alwsys try to comment and praise your work whenever you upload it. Sometimes I don't comment as I feel the video itself has absolutely NO flaws, but when it blows me away, I will DEFINATELY try and make sure you realise just how amazing your content is and just how underrated you are! Keep up the INCREDIBLE work!!
It's as if the further they got away from the Snyderverse, the cheesier the movies became. Like Snyder movies or not, I much more prefer the characters being treated seriously and not like cheap Marvel knock offs. A couple of years removed and no one will be talking about Shazam, Aquaman, Birds of Prey, etc. But, there are still people talking about Man of Steel and BvS UE, still making videos about it, rediscovering it, or even hating it at first and then getting it. Outside of Snyder films, the rest of the DC movies have no direction and are wildly inconsistent.
You should do a versus video of the first to Terminator movies. Not only because both are amazing films, but also because the second one is turning 30 soon.
Well what she did that poor guy is messed up, it's not something that Diana would've done. But that's definitly something that an Amazonian would have done, so atleast they were accurate about that lol.
I thought the purpose of WW84’s opening scene was to establish how cheating is wrong. Isn’t that what Diana uses to help her let go of Steve towards the end of the movie?
Great vid as always, I just saw WW1984 like 2 days ago and I found it very underwhelming, my criticisms are mostly the same as your's and honestly going into this movie my expectations were very high considering how great the first wonder woman was. My scores for these films are: Wonder Woman - 7.5/10 Wonder Woman 1984 - 5/10
Hey Eric need I to remind you that one of the writers behind WW84 David Callaham also wrote Doom 2005 and is currently co writing Shang Chi and The Spider-Man into the spiderverse sequel which is concerning.
Just in general, bear in mind that writing credits doesn't always equate to writers having a free-for-all on the script. Studio executive interference isn't uncommon with scripts like these. Otherwise, points well stated and taken.
Diana's mother in ww: diana is the only child in themyscira!there will be no training for her.. Also her in ww84:watching diana doing gymnastics at incredible heights
I've been waiting for this video and the execution was masterful I knew you would hate this movie fun fact that the movie has just lost $100 million at the box office anyways great video as always Eric Take Care!
I originally was going to give it a 4. But the more I thought about the movie, the more it just started to fall apart. And the final straw for me is when I realised that I could not watch the movie again, despite its couple of good scenes.
@@EricCarter12 if I'm going to be honest I think the film doesn't have a single good scene. It has good moments, but no good scenes. Every scene that's almost good has something shitty about it
I genuinely agree with you. I didn’t hate the movie in fact I learned a lesson of contentment from it. But it has its flaws and could’ve been much better.
You know, I tend to lean more towards DC than Marvel cause I'm not a fan of the quippy humor that Marvel puts in their movies, but now its infecting DC as well! NOOOOO!!!!
You could review literally anything and I would still watch. Great script, pacing, and a friendly voice. You are a great personality and I look forward to all your uploads. :)
Eric: “Flex Tape VS Flex Seal”
Me: *Clicks on video*
Black socks Vs White Socks
Instant click
factory of divisive opinions are you saying something there?
i’m jk
@@danielbarrera4635 I'm just saying I like how well he makes his videos, to the point I'll probably watch anything he makes. Including something as Dumb as a comparison between socks.
Ironically Zack Snyder also was one of the writers of the first movie.
which is why its narratively consistent with the rest of the cinematic universe, but no other movie broke the DCEU as much as this one did, not even Josstice League lmao
@@j03productions84 Zack Snyder was involved with this. Jenkins and himself confirmed it.
@@udaiminhas6509 He was only a producer though.
@@ethankleinman1067 People really undermine how much influence a producer has over a film, if he didn't like it, he could've said, but he personally said he loved the movie even after all the criticisms.
@@ethankleinman1067 he was also one of the writers as well
I’m Surprised you never made a connection with this plot hole were Wonder Woman in the first movie her Mother refused to let her train until around her Teenage age Yet in Wonder Woman 1984 She participated in a training course alongside other amazons at a much younger age and her mother is okay with that 🤔
You're right. I didn't realise that. Wow. Just when I thought I got everything pegged with this movie, somehow even MORE plot holes seem to come out of it.
@@EricCarter12 or how Wonder Women somehow stayed a secret for decades even though in 1984 she got billions of witnesses(When she made a speech to the whole world.)
Ppl can shit on Snyder all they want, but him being a producer/writer of the first WW is what made it successful. As soon as he got fired from 84 it all went to shit with the narrative consistency...
@@EricCarter12 that's why this movie sucks
@@thomasbailey8179 I am curious to see how it turns out. But I don't have confidence with the director as I was not that impressed with his two previous Spider-Man movies. Also aside from The Russo Brothers, I don't know how the other directors will juggle all of these characters. So I am more curious than I am excited. Although I AM excited for Sam Raimi to direct Tobey Maguire again as only HE knows how to PROPERLY direct his Spider-Man.
So apparently while Zack is a flawed director he's still way better than patty jenkin. Especially in terms of writing as he is one of the writers in the first one.
Don't forget that when it comes to visuals, he's the top dog
@@darkroninmarvel he's one of the best directors ever in that catagory.
Yet 84' still didn't get the abysmal hate BvS got...
I really think Snyder is a great director. I haven’t seen a movie from him that I haven’t liked and I think Man of Steel, Watchmen, and 300 are awesome. Then again I haven’t seen Sucker Punch, Dawn of The Dead, and some of his other movies.
@@j03productions84 BvS has 6.4 on Imdb while 84 has 5.6. It may have gotten less hate from critics but the audience has clearly hated it more.
You know what? Let's use this comment to list as many films, shows and games etc with genuinly good female protagonists.
For me, I'ld list: Heisei Gamera Trilogy, Avatar series, Studio Ghibli, original Mulan, WALL-E, Aliens, first two Terminator films and Your Name
@@atogon_art Alita Battle angel
@@atogon_art Metroid, Tomb Raider, JJBA: Stone Ocean
Revy two hands
Kill Bill both volumes, the 1st 2 alien movies, the 5th wave
The finale did not make any sense. What if someone wished for the world ending or a global apocalypse? Also, the previous DC movies never discussed about everyone getting wishes in the 80’s!
To make matters worse there’s nothing to indicate people forget this which means it should be taught in history class as a near world ending event
@@AndreNitroX yeah, it would have been better if the finale was about preventing all those wishes instead of stopping them.
I agree with you. What if someone wished for extinction? Or what if 1 person just 1 person didn’t take back their wish. I mean, that’s just incredibly lazy writing. Also I agree there should at least be a mention of these events in the other movies but there isn’t sooo that’s dumb. Also I blame 84 for that and not the other movies since they came out first.
@@evan9902 exactly!
@Raoul.__.r yes the storytelling in WW84 was poor, I would have much rather had a Vietnam or Cold War Wonder Woman sequel instead of this nonsense.
I remember watching WW84 and thinking “Eric Carter is going to HATE this”
Lol you weren't wrong. And I like how you thought of my potential opinions when watching the movie. 😎
@@EricCarter12 Of course man👍.You’re awesome.
@@EricCarter12 i mean, what did u expect? ur FREAKING ERIC! Who wasn't going to think that u aren't going to hate it?
We need Zack Snyder to direct the next one! Man, that would be great because her scenes in his version of justice league was awesome!
Unfortunately, it ain't going to happen because WB don't want him involved in the DCEU anymore. Also it is going to look bad on WB if they fire a woman and hire a man to replace her, with cancel culture going on lol. Even if he doesn't direct it as long as he is fully involved along with the same team, such as stunt team, VFX team, writers, etc. WB should just get another female director for WW3.
@@Mr.PlayBoyX I hope he gets hired by another company and starts his new films, I'm exited to see more of his movies especially axtion ones. Maybe if he gets hired sony for example, I don't mind...
@@4ll_Pretty_0_Ability he will get hired by marvel
He can do cm
Absolutely
When a below average movie comes out.
Eric Carter: “No mercy.”
12:56 the first incredibles movie did this right.
It sure did.
I agree 100% Syndrome was awesome
@@EricCarter12 Hey.Can you review How To Train Your Dragon?
Wonder Women: 10/10 and one of the best films of 2017.
Wonder Woman 1984: 5/10. One of the worst films of 2020.
i agree except i give wonder woman 2 a 0/10 yeah it was that bed
@daniel barrera yeah, it was pretty bed.
I’d give the first movie an 8 and the 2nd one a 5. There are some decent things in the 2nd one that keep it from being awful but it may just me be having a comic book movie craving after not having a new release for what felt like an eternity. Honestly if it came out in theaters without the pandemic I think people would like it less. Also the more I thought about 84 the less I like it. At first I was at 7 then immediately dropped to 6 now I’m at 5. And it’s in my top 3 worst movies of 2020 but then again I didn’t see that many movies compared to other years and I chose my movies I watch more wisely last year.
i give wonder women an 8/10 and yea ww84 a 5/10 ima just say this ww84 is the dceu version of thor the dark world
@@lilkevv5917 yeah I agree but I think 84 is a bit worse.
I will never understand the plot hole on how the rich business guy grants wishes by holding people hand to granting wish from the tv like im sorry wtf
The writers are like....it’s magic forget logic
@@AndreNitroX yeah and another plot hole how was cheata able to get two wishes she use one to be like diana and the rich guy is basically the wish stone so make no sense
Here's my guess.
The more wishes he grants the more powerful he becomes. The more powerful he becomes the less direct physical contact he needs to grant wishes
@@redram6080 if that the case he didnt need to hold hands with the president they could of just talk and ask for his whis like that or better yet explain the power of the wishing rock better
@@gamertality8778 in order for a story to work there has to be established rules. even if magic, time travel, reality warping is involved there has to be some logic, if there is none, than there is no story.
can we all agree that eric is sooo underrated?
Yes we cab
I think you forgot that Diana is the only little girl on the island
Is it just me or why do movies with a $200 million dollar budget somehow look worse, examples being Black panther, Mulan and now this.
The money clearly goes to the director and the actors because it’s obvious it doesn’t go to the CGI department
The actors are 20-60% of these moves budget with these big name actors
Pacific Rim have 10 million dollar lesser budget and was released freaking 7 years ago, but why it looks better than this crap.
@@PrimeofthePrimates very true
Yo there are some action movies that are low budget like 1 million dollars that are a wayyyyyy better than this movie...
I had been using gal gadots Wonder Woman as the best example of how to do a female superhero movie for years only to use it again to explain why the second one sucks.
Same bro . Same
i still remember when i first watched wonder woman 84. And straight after that I watched one of your wonder woman videos. And that's when I realised. Eric is going to freakin hate this.
Basically WW has a lot of ZS influence... WW84 is pure patty
and it really shows
Yes the king of TH-cam came back
You know what would be really cool? Do the dark knight trilogy vs the raimi trilogy in 3 separate videos
Yo TNAS spidey
Fun fact, this movie is 10 minutes shorter than avengers infinity war
Good thing I don’t have money
It felt way longer than IW though sooooooo that’s a problem.
@@evan9902 and the fact that the opening action scene with young diana has far more screen time than Godzilla in "Godzilla 2014" and Darth Vader in "A New Hope" is criminal
@@sharkwar4284 totally agree. The movie is way longer than it needs to be.
22:21 the writers included Zack Snyder :)
Man I’ve waited for this video! I loved the first one, absolutely hated the second one!
Same.
Holy shoot! I knew he was going to have a problem with the r*pe scene, but my God, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Eric’s voice go that high! 🤣🤣🤣
that scene was shit and the one that she killed that man was even worse the special effects are shit in this movie...
Like Harley in batman and Harley quinn
Oh boy, this is going to be an interesting comparison...
Indeed.
Yeah man those writers for the first movie deserve all the credit. I thought patty was a great director until ww84. The way all these movies are getting circumcised in the name of identity politics is just only hurting them. No one likes that shit. I’m beyond disappointed how all of these movies are going - dc, marvel, star wars, disney. You can’t escape...
Excellent video. Every point was nailed all the way home. Keep it up bruv💪🏽
Thanks Mackenson. :)
@@thomasbailey8179 Easy Captain Marvel . At least WW 84 was still entertaining in some bits . Captain Marvel was just plain BORING.......... and BLAND ........
@@thomasbailey8179 ww84
Here’s an interesting one. Goldeneye vs Casino Royale. Both have the same director and are seen as top tier Bond films, would be a great comparison
MAJOR UPDATE: Patty Jinkins isn't directing Wonder Woman 3 anymore. In fact, the film got canceled. For now. Apparently Patty and the productors had different visions for the third film. So Patty left. And now that the DC universe is being rebooted, I doubt WW3 will ever happen. Thank God.
PATTY JENKINS IS DOING STAR WARS?!?!?!
were so screwed.
Terrific video as always Eric!
I recommend Wreck-It Ralph VS. Ralph Breaks The Internet for the next Versus video.
The first movie is SOOOOOOOOOO much better. It made me love Rich Moore as an animated film director. Then Ralph Breaks the Internet happened and it ruins every good grace the first film had.
The fact that I waited a whole year to watch this movie because thanks to YOUR videos I discovered Wonder Woman and that I risked my health to see it in a cinema like "it deserved", to this day still bothers me. Wonder Woman deserves better.
Also, doesn't this movie alone opens a plot hole about Diana closing herself from the world like she mentioned in BvS? Or will the Snyder cut try to fix that?
Anyway, thank you for this video, I waited two months and I'm not disappointed at all. You really have a talent to put into words everything that is wrong with a movie.
She means closing off as to having no other relationships in her life besides Steve trevor.
@@ethankleinman1067 Hmm, but I think Wonder Woman also disappeared as a superhero, or maybe she was helping people in secret?
Thanks so much for the kind words buddy. It really means a lot. :)
Yeah that was just another plot hole from this movie. Another reason why it should NOT have taken place in the 80's. It really didn't do anything for the storytelling in the end.
Dang. Those transitions are a really cool throwback to the older VS videos.
They sure are. I had to take them out of some old archives, aswell as make a couple of new ones. But I used them with my previous Wonder Woman versus videos, so I decided to use them here too. For old times sake. But also because I like consistency. :)
Thanks for watching Theo!
One of my main problems with the first Wonder Women is that if Steve was on the Germans side she could of been on the Germans side. Considering she just takes his perspective (becuase that's what the laso would revel) at face value and didn't question if her side was right.
BTW this isn't me being pro German during WW1 from what I know they did some shitty things (though the allys did later as well) but I just feel it's more complex than it was made out to be.
U know Eric hates something when he puts the fire and chains behind the movie poster
It seems like Patty Jenkins is a good director as long as there are writers and producers who keep her straight, but when left to her own devices... That's when everything fall down,and now she's gonna tackle star wars, buuuut star wars is already dead to me, so I don't care.
P.s: wanna know something hilarious? WW84 was the first movie that implemented anti sexual harassment policies, so they production team made themselves into complete hypocrites
Funny thing is I think this moovies suffers from Geoff Johns decision like most of his projects do. Comparing WW84 and Stargirl gives you that same look, vibe, action and lame funny tone instead of cool action, true philosophy and just an overdose on fake positivity. While WW and Zack's JL show that heroes are heroes by overcoming their fears and flaws, pride and scars, and showing that a heroes greatest strength comes within and fighting a conflict of what is right and fearing to fail, Geoff Johns steps on depth and reduces it to plot points. While Geoff Johns initial ideas can be cool and fantastic his storytelling is really flat and tends to abuse the story for potential fandom throw-ins and just stop before they can blew up. It's like riding a cool rollercoaster at the slowest speed. Stargirl suffers from it the same way: a beginning where every hero dies and a finally where all heroes come out with scratches and real development as long as it doesn't add up to a positive vibe (wild cat killing without feeling some shock or being haunted by the decision is weird). Most Action in Wonder Woman 84, Josstice League, Shazam, Green Lantern and Birds of Prey misses suspense ( + sometimes surprises) that kept me invested. It's like all action is defused to not scare kids away, as if a creepy villain or a menacing fight isn't kid-appropriate. Give us menaces that haunt us and heroes that are struggling to fall for them: give us character and exitement beyond a clowns show.... give us dancers on highwires
They were already playing on the "Monkey's Paw" thing in WW84 (and even directly referenced it twice), so realistically, Steve should've just been reanimated in his own body as a zombie. Not saying I would have wanted that to happen, but still. That's exactly what happened in that story.
Not only that, but when Max Lord had wished to be like the Wishing Stone, he should've started to turn into the stone, not lose his health. And what about his kid? He made a wish, too and nothing happened to him. And, I know I'm missing Barbara's first wish's consequences.
Look I agree that Wonder Woman 1984 did have a lot of bull crap ideas, plot holes, and is not as good as the first one, but I personally in my opinion don't think it was bad. I would say it's a okay film.
Birds of Prey > WW84
Im a Johnny Depp fan
9:00 wow that grim adventures of billy and Mandy episode was a freaky one especially that kid that wishes for the bunny to love him to death!
Lol yeah. The kid's name was Puddin. His wish was by far the most insane.
@@EricCarter12 Yeah, that bunny tried to kill him the whole episode. That's why if i ever got the monkey paw or a genie, i would be very specific.
@@AndreNitroXLikewise. Lol a 20 minute episode of Billy and Mandy did a much better representation as to how the Monkey's Paw works and why you wouldn't want to use it. As apposed to a 2 hour and 30 minutes movie.
Again, that doesn't put Wonder Woman 1984 in the best light.
@@EricCarter12 Exactly right. Keep up the great work
Yeesh, I hope no kid had wished for eternal youth, or worse eternal life!
When it comes to female writers it's kinda sad to think about. The fact that men are able to write a better story about powerful female characters because they aren't clouded by SJW thoughts is really sad, Patty Jenkins can't write a story because she's too busy trying to Girl Power everything and not all female writers are like this but alot are and Patty just seems to be a repeat offender.
The story is credited to Patty Jenkins and Geoff Johns (Former chief creative officer of DC) while the screenplay is listed as Patty Jenkins, Geoff Johns, and Dave Callham. I don't know who is responsible for the final script but with writers that had comic- book and superhero experience, I expected something reminiscent of the comics of that time. The messy story however felt more like a 70s comic than one from the 80's when writers were breaking away from the Comic Code Authority to tell more serious stories. The WW84 screenplay also uses the "woke" cliche of screenplay writing where the women are made strong by making the men awful (a choice that makes no one happy). I also agree there was no need to have Steve Trevor possess the body of "Handsome Man" (the character's name in the credits). If the wishing stone allowed giant walls and nuclear weapons to appear out of nowhere, a human being should not have been so complicated. For drama, the stone could have easily ripped him out of time right before his death in the plane making his return to that time more heartbreaking ...
The sequel is what Sam Riami did in Spider-Man 3. It juggles one and two many villains.
As for Steve Trevor, it would be better if he was made from clay like Diana.
I don't understand why Patty didn't have Steve comeback as himself. I mean, when Barbara "wished" to be Cheetah, no reports of cheetahs dying off because her wish fed off of them.
The entire car chase scene just made me imagine the really good scene in Lego Indiana Jones where you go from desert car to desert car using each car to your advantage and the terrain to your enemies disadvantage. Except the Lego was the one that did it well
Agreed, so much! With the exception that - design aside - I didn’t even dislike Ares in the first movie. I think he was indeed the perfect antagonist, as he’s exactly what Diana is before she learns and matures: a god who stubbornly and naively thinks that humanity’s nature can only be reduced to “all good” or “all bad”. I liked that a lot.
Agreed with Ares
This movie is a solid example of the tone and style DC is going for post Zack Snyder. Out of Aquaman, Shazam, and 1984, I'd say Shazam did the best job being a solid movie in the post Snyderverse JL. With that said, I definitely prefer MoS, BvS, and WW. Then you have Birds of Prey, THE Suicide Squad, and Joker which confuse me on what DC is trying to do with their movies lol. It's like Snyderverse, the Lighthearted films, and the R movies have all been headed by different teams.
Lol you're gonna be pissed when you see what they did to quicksilver in the wandavision finale
Oh definitely. Cause I was too
I sure as hell was.
Love your videos...I can’t wait to watch your review on the last few episodes of wandavision!
“She can lasso the wind” that one got me lmao.
"And to go from serious story with light hearted elements to 100% goofy is wrong" littary Teen Titans (2003) to TTG🤦♂️
You hit the nail on the head there. It's always a recipe for disaster.
100% disagree. Wonder Woman 1984 at least had good moments and fun action. It also felt genuine. Teen Titans Go is a shameless parody with juvenile humor that likes to troll their audience and is for toddlers. You may not like WW84, but it’s still far better than the dumpster fire that is Teen Titans Go.
Batman 89 to Batman and robin
Gears Of War 3 music in a Versus video!? (Cole shout happy) WOO! Yeah Baby, Haha.
I'm going to watch it again, but speaking of how messed up Diana's wish was made, Barbara's second wish was becoming more like a cheetah but no cheetahs are hurt or dying as a result. If an innocent man is being held against his will via Steve's spirit for the sake of WW's wish, why aren't cheetahs being hurt as a result of Barbara's second one?
Watching 1984 made me want to rewatch the first one to remind myself how a good movie should make me feel.
7:42 😂. This guy ripped into this scene. That scene was hurting my head in the actual movie tho
Why do people have a problem with Aries that's how he's always been like
You channel is criminally underrated. You deserve more subscribers.
Thanks buddy. Hopefully one day it will happen.
The more shares and thumbs up's my videos get the more likely my channel will get recommended and promoted by TH-cam's algorithm.
Thanks so much for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
@@EricCarter12 I have an idea for next versus video. Rampage vs Monster Hunter,they both are based on video games and have humongous creatures.
I was looking forward to this Versus video! Great job! I didn't expect 1984 to get the rating you gave it, but after your description of its events, I can understand why it did. When you were describing the goofy action scene in 1984, I also took note of the more saturated colors and made me wonder if it was trying to pay homage to the old Wonder Woman TV show. And with her turning the jet invisible, that's obviously a reference to the invisible plane from the Wonder Woman comics, but yeah, it did feel kinda forced in. ^^;
Kind of, not kinda.
No! Bring the writers back Patty! That’s your chance to redeem Wonder Woman!
I actually give the first film a 9/10, a bit closer to 10.
also, I'm gonna be honest, WandaVision has far better humor and can stay more consistent with its tone, especially with the last two episode (I have seen small clips of the movie on TH-cam to not spend money)
Eric Carter can you do a VS video on "Monster Hunter" VS "Love and Monsters" please?
Yes I would LOVE to see a Vs video on that!
WW1984 aka the movie where lasso of truth can do anything the plot desire. Good video, very cathartic as someone who was very disappointed by this movie. What a disastrous sequel.
Love your reference to WW’s hypocrisy between consensual flirting & rape.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of this channel, but...
In regards to Diana being a grapist , i have some thoughts on that. I understand to (us) the viewers, Steve's soul or whatever, was inhabiting the body of some dude against his will. However, Diana wished Steve would return. Now, this was similar to the "Monkey's Paw," and Diana probably had no idea that that was the case. To her, she saw Steve, not the other guy. So it's kinda hard to call her out on being a grapist since she had no idea. We only believe what we see with our own 2 eyes. And this was true for her, as well. Now am i saying part 2 was better, or even a good movie? Hell no! It was lame garbage. The trailer was pretty kick ass, but that's about it. I just think she should get a break for the whole grape thing. But i do agree with you on the whole, why didn't the rock just make the real Steve Trevor appear? And yeah it was weird to me to,(no pun intended) that Patty Jenkins, who had complete creative control btw, decided THAT was the best option.
I would rewatch the first one, but not 1984.
Zack and Patty=Balance Dark and Light
Geoff and Patty=Unbalance Light and Marvel Lightz(geoff)
The first Wonder Woman is way better in my opinion... in every way.
Ww84 is just terrible and that's it.
Can't wait for your Snyder Cut vs. Josstice League and...
Godzilla vs. Kong against KOTM?
Agreed
2 things to make Cheetah work is 1: Make her hate Wonder Woman like you said and 2. Have her 1 wish to be as magnificent as a Cheetah which could be set up as her favourite animal as strong and magnificent. And when she makes the wish the stone turns her into Cheetah.
Edit: Also I actually looked forward to this movie cause I knew about her from the Injustice games.
I am SUPER late to viewing this...but *100%* I agree with *EVERYTHING* you said here. *EVERYTHING.* I honestly couldn't even finish _Wonder Woman: 1984._ (I stopped right before the highway fight scene in the desert). Wonder Woman isn't meant to be fighting two bit mall criminals; that's a job for the local police! *NOT* an Amazonian warrior princess demi-god! This was 💯 proof that the success of the first _Wonder Woman_ had *EVERYTHING* to do with Zack Snyder and his vision and very little to nothing to do with Patty Jenkins, who has shown that she has absolutely _NO_ understanding of, or respect for, the character. She is a paint by numbers director who literally only followed Zack Snyder's script and was given credit for HIS vision.
In fact, in my personal head-canon, _WW: 1984_ doesn't even _exist._ Considering Patty is intimately involved in creating the 3rd and final Gal Gadot iteration of _Wonder Woman,_ I have NO FAITH that it will be anything good. Jenkins has shown that she is less interested in the warrior Amazon aspect of _Wonder Woman_ and more interested in the modern interpretation of "feelings" and "emotions." Seems VERY likely that _Zack Snyder's Justice League_ will be the final true version of this iteration of the Wonder Woman character.
Let's hope we get Jl 2 and 3 at some point I mean Zack has teased a fight between the amazons and the furies 🥲
16:32 I’m dead 😂😂😂💀💀💀
yo it is just my opinion but the first movie was 1000 times better the 2 one is just trash... i thought i was watching Indiana jones that plot is horrible they could have stopped that just by wishing everyone renounced their wishes...
17:30 Yeah, where the heck did they go? Those are her main weapons along side the lasso.
This is where the *WISHING STONE* could’ve come in handy. They should’ve had a scene where she threatens Maxwell with them and Maxwell tells one of his henchmen to wish them away.
I mean, HISHE did something similar, but Maxwell had a henchman wish *her* away instead of her weapons.
Anyone else agree?
I liked WW84, but it was a HUGE step down from the first one. The first one is amazing! GREAT video Eric! I loved every single second of it! You deserve so much attention and credit for the stuff you put out. Seriously, you are TOO underrated.... Can't wait for more to come!
Thanks Hamid. It's great to hear from you again buddy. :)
@@EricCarter12 no problem man! I will alwsys try to comment and praise your work whenever you upload it. Sometimes I don't comment as I feel the video itself has absolutely NO flaws, but when it blows me away, I will DEFINATELY try and make sure you realise just how amazing your content is and just how underrated you are! Keep up the INCREDIBLE work!!
@@hamidgaming3472 Thanks so much buddy. :)
@@EricCarter12 no problem! :)
Hamid I agree I did like ww84 but I loved the first one
It's as if the further they got away from the Snyderverse, the cheesier the movies became. Like Snyder movies or not, I much more prefer the characters being treated seriously and not like cheap Marvel knock offs. A couple of years removed and no one will be talking about Shazam, Aquaman, Birds of Prey, etc. But, there are still people talking about Man of Steel and BvS UE, still making videos about it, rediscovering it, or even hating it at first and then getting it. Outside of Snyder films, the rest of the DC movies have no direction and are wildly inconsistent.
Totally agree. And lots of people started loving snyder's work and misunderstood how good his previous DC work is
You should do a versus video of the first to Terminator movies. Not only because both are amazing films, but also because the second one is turning 30 soon.
Release the Snyder cut for wonder woman 84
YES finally I have been waiting for this for so long.
Well what she did that poor guy is messed up, it's not something that Diana would've done. But that's definitly something that an Amazonian would have done, so atleast they were accurate about that lol.
Eric Carter is like the Steven Spielberg of TH-cam; classic after classic and getting better every time. 😸
my reaction when i see the video is 25 mins : OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! like literally almost half an hour of eric carter content?les gooo
I thought the purpose of WW84’s opening scene was to establish how cheating is wrong. Isn’t that what Diana uses to help her let go of Steve towards the end of the movie?
What are your thoughts on the WandaVision finale?
Great vid as always, I just saw WW1984 like 2 days ago and I found it very underwhelming, my criticisms are mostly the same as your's and honestly going into this movie my expectations were very high considering how great the first wonder woman was.
My scores for these films are:
Wonder Woman - 7.5/10
Wonder Woman 1984 - 5/10
Great video as always mate
I rather rewatch Josstice League movie 10 times over than WW84 again in my lifetime.
What could they even do for a 3rd wonder woman? They wasted Cheetah and Maxwell lord in this movie so there is no point in a sequel IDK
the only thing i liked about this movie was that scene with Lynda carter
Hey Eric need I to remind you that one of the writers behind WW84 David Callaham also wrote Doom 2005 and is currently co writing Shang Chi and The Spider-Man into the spiderverse sequel which is concerning.
Thanks for letting me know buddy. We'll see how he does when the movies come out.
Just in general, bear in mind that writing credits doesn't always equate to writers having a free-for-all on the script. Studio executive interference isn't uncommon with scripts like these. Otherwise, points well stated and taken.
The disappointing levels with this film reached 9000......jesus WHAT HAPPEN....I mean you explained but still....Patty WTF??
I know. I'm shocked at how bad the movie was in the end.
Diana's mother in ww: diana is the only child in themyscira!there will be no training for her..
Also her in ww84:watching diana doing gymnastics at incredible heights
I've been waiting for this video and the execution was masterful I knew you would hate this movie fun fact that the movie has just lost $100 million at the box office anyways great video as always Eric Take Care!
Thanks buddy. :)
3/10 is generous imo
I originally was going to give it a 4. But the more I thought about the movie, the more it just started to fall apart.
And the final straw for me is when I realised that I could not watch the movie again, despite its couple of good scenes.
I thought you were gonna give it a big 0/10. But I accept your score.
@@EricCarter12 if I'm going to be honest I think the film doesn't have a single good scene. It has good moments, but no good scenes. Every scene that's almost good has something shitty about it
#releasethesnydercut of WW84
Totally agreed with this review. Good sequels are rare.
This is like comparing exorcist and exorcist 2 where the sequel is freaking terrible in every way
The WW films are the TLOU games.
The first installment is great, the second one is sh*t, somehow made by the same people who worked on the first.
And Batman 89 to Batman and Robin
That whole winking at the little girl and her winking back is awful!! Fucking cringe!!! Why do people want that corny shit? I just don't get it....
I wanna see a vs video between wreck it Ralph 1-2
I genuinely agree with you. I didn’t hate the movie in fact I learned a lesson of contentment from it. But it has its flaws and could’ve been much better.
You know, I tend to lean more towards DC than Marvel cause I'm not a fan of the quippy humor that Marvel puts in their movies, but now its infecting DC as well! NOOOOO!!!!