Ruth, please write down all the details about this book, how to find it for reading. Please read this book more. The author of this book, a woman, was a neurosurgeon, and she considered it important to publish this book, in which she outlined her testimony, at the advanced age of 70-80 years, obviously observing everything that had been happening in this community over the years. No matter what, W.Nee will remain an absolute spiritual leader for many, but sooner or later in the life of every Christian there comes a moment when he must make a choice: blindly follow a man or follow Jesus. People must free themselves from the cult in order to become disciples of Christ.
@@HelenChikina a.co/d/avmPB7G (https has to go before, then ://, but I don’t think TH-cam could moments allow live links… on Amazon, it shows up if you type in My Unforgettable Memories. And I apologize- a sister let me know I kept saying Dr. Lee in the video😳… Dr. Lily Hsu is the author. Yes- and it was co-authored in English by Dana Roberts who had thoroughly studied Nee’s writings and when Dr. Hsu asked him to help with the English version of her book, he traveled to China to verify all the claims, knowing how serious they are and how law-suit probed LSM/TLR is. He spoke to many who affirmed everything as factual in this book.
One of the biggest tactics the people who come on your channel use to attack Lily Hsu is that she left her faith for many years. Of course they haven’t actually read her book or else they’d know a major reason she left her faith was because of Nee’s sins
Just says... "... a major reason she left her faith was because of Nee’s sins...". Then her "...faith..." was not sure... Possibly because, if her words are to be believed, her faith was a matter of her natural human reasonings regarding Watchman Nee... And was not the working/operating Spirit of Christ within her. Praise the Lord that He caused her to be stumbled in her own self-generated "...faith..."... So that He could bring her back to Himself, the reality of our Christian faith. If the words that Ruth read are listened to with a pure heart before the Lord, we will immediately know that Hsu's "...faith..." was in Nee, not Christ Jesus... And in that, even in all her natural brilliance, she failed before the Lord. And this failure continued in her writings. I hope the Lord has saved her out of her failures. Amen.
_Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!_ *(Matthew 18:7)*
@@aboveandbeyond9844that is untrue. The brainwashing in the LR is quite perfected. Perhaps Lily Hsu’s faith was tested then strengthened. I know that after reading Jo Casteel’s letter my faith was shaken to the core. I believed and gave everything for Christ and the church. It took some years, but the Lord is faithful to draw us back to Himself. Of course we trust the ones leading us. Of course we sh out of be appalled and shaken by the heinous sins of a believer in Christ (even if only in name). Where do you turn, then? After the leading ones betrayed you? After you were poisoned against ‘fallen Christendom’ and threatened with outer darkness and death for leaving the local churches? Please continue to expose the sin, Ruth
I have no problem thinking that the sexual immorality is possible because he was a young man practically worshipped with young, beautiful women around him constantly. He probably had a lot of freedom, too. That would give way too much opportunity to the flesh. But here is my genuine question. I'm not trying to be challenging or argumentative. But with the Communist government wanting to go after him, is it possible that he was set up? I mean I know he confessed, but was he confessing honestly or was he under duress and being tortured in any way and confessing to something he didn't do? I'm asking if there's corroborating evidence to this or how you think it's definitely true? Genuinely asking…
@@maryscaletta7972 No- I appreciate it. A main convincing factor to me is that both sister-coworkers also described the crime against each of them and there was corroboration between their statements and WNee’s confessions. And multiple witnesses were there for those victims’ statements. The sister whose nude footage stated Nee’s reasons for taking the nude photos, and he gave the same statement to the government
@@ruthwise2159Okay, wow, that's very interesting. When did the expo happen? Was he already in prison? Was the expo to show the church why he was arrested or was it before he was arrested and imprisoned? I lean more toward that this probably happened. I still have some room to believe this could have been a set up. Not much, but some. It's just that when you have a whole government going after you, if that's what happened, those sisters could have been told what to say and forced to say it. I'm not saying I believe that's what happened, I'm just pointing out where the holes of doubt could be. It would be good if the holes could be completely plugged and verified, if at all possible. If this is the truth, it would be healthy for us to know without a shadow of a doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, so that we once again learn the lesson that the Bible, Jesus, and even Watchman Nee and Witness Lee teach: • Every human is a sinner. • No one should be trusted wholly. • Everyone should be safe (have witnesses) when they are around finances and members of the opposite sex they aren't married to them. • No member of the Body of Christ should be raised up, even if only in our minds and hearts, to be an infallible, "if they said it then it's from God", "teacher", "master", "Father". For we are all just fallible brothers and sisters aspiring to be "in Christ" but still learning and always able to fail and fail miserably. All of us should be discerned and held accountable-any leader all the more. In fact, the more gifted they are, the more they should be scrutinized. You are scrutinizing Watchman Nee and Witness Lee, and that is healthy, right, and in order. We all should. We all should be mature enough to hold to opposing thoughts in our minds: People can be gifts to the body while also being the sinners that we all are.
Galatians 6:4-5... "But let each man prove his own work, and then he will have his boast in regard to himself alone and not in regard to another. . . . For each one shall bear his own load." Although those who stumble another will have a particular "...woe..." to answer to... The reality is... Each must prove their own work... And whining about what someone has done to you isn't going to gain a well done good and faithful servant accolade when you stand before the Lord... Gaining the Lord a profit with what He has given to you is what will. Amen.
@@aboveandbeyond9844 Who is whining? What we do to the least of these, we do to Him. I am speaking out to prohibit, as much as I can, the continued stumbling of the least of these, to comfort any who, like me, have been abused in what should be the safest place - the church - the Father’s house.
@@ruthwise2159 says... "...I am speaking out to prohibit,...". The Lord, our God, says... "I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing." Your "...I..." can do absolutely nothing, Ruth... That is your error. May the Lord, in His time, correct you and bring you back into Himself as your living and being. Amen.
@ Yes, apart from Him we can do nothing. Are you saying I am apart from the One into Whom I have been grafted, to whom I am joined as one spirit, and the One Whom I love to the uttermost? The Bible also says “I can do all things through Him who empowers me.”
@@ruthwise2159 says... "Are you saying I am apart from the One into Whom I have been grafted, to whom I am joined as one spirit, and the One Whom I love to the uttermost?" Yes... Yes... And... Your choosing to be apart from Him exposes that you don't love Him "...to the uttermost...". If you properly understood what being grafted into Him actually means, you would not speak the error you've spoken in some of your videos... Likewise being joined "...as one spirit...". All you're doing here is claiming things you've read about in the Bible... But your speaking exposes your not possessing (living out) the reality of what you're claiming. Ephesians 2:12-13... "So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but now much rather in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; . . . For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure." Being born-again of God by believing into Christ Jesus is the first phase... Following this, there now needs to be our cooperating with Him in His inward working/operating that produces "...His good pleasure..."... We're grafted into Him... We're joined with Him in our regenerated spirit, and we love Him with the love He has loved us with... But all three are testified to in an inward reality that is expressed outwardly in our daily living... And in this outward daily living that testifies to our being grafted into Christ Jesus, having Him in our spirit one with us and us one with Him, and loving Him to the uttermost, there can be seen the realization of our cooperating with Him and producing "...His good pleasure..."... This "...His good pleasure..." being the Father's beloved Son, Christ Jesus. It's all well and good to claim being grafted in, joined to the Spirit, and loving Him to the uttermost... But the proof is in the outward testimony of the claimed inward reality... This is what in video after video you have failed dismally at testifying. You are not testifying the Person of Christ in your videos, Ruth... You are simply expressing your natural man, which is fallen, as it is with us all. This is the context of Paul's speaking on working out our salvation... What is inside needs to be worked out into our outward testimony... Which, ironically, is in fact what you are demanding from those you're speaking to in your videos... As related to the TLR organization and any who seem to support it. Biblical scripture is absolutely clear, Ruth... We can't serve two masters, as the Lord said in Matthew 6:24... And He then went on to say... Matthew 6:25... "...Because of this, I say to you, Do not be anxious for your life, what you should eat or what you should drink; nor for your body, what you should put on. Is not the life more than food, and the body than clothing?" In every video of yours that I've watched, you have exhibited the opposite of "...Do not be anxious for your life...", thereby exposing that you are not holding to (cooperating with) the One into Whom you've been grafted, are joined with in spirit, and claim to "...love to the uttermost...". The videos of yours that I've watched do not confirm that you are standing in (abiding in) Christ, Ruth... They expose the opposite. And this is what, from my first comments to your videos, I've been trying to draw your attention to, and encourage you to correct. Anyone can criticize poor/immoral behavior in others... But the Lord has called us to a higher standard... One in which we must do all things in and through Him... And this is something that your own words expose you as not doing... And I can say this because of the errors you make in relation to alignment with biblical scripture. Which brings me to this that you said... "The Bible also says “I can do all things through Him who empowers me.” Yes, it most certainly does... But this is only realized when we are doing "...all things through Him..."... Not doing "...all things claiming to be through Him...". I wonder if you fully understand how "...all things through Him..." actually works, Ruth? Here you go... Matthew 16:24-25... "Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. . . . For whoever wants to save his soul-life shall lose it; but whoever loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it." Our being able to do "...all things through Him..." is only possible when we "...deny..." ourselves, "...take up..." our "...cross...", and follow Jesus... Meaning, lose our soul life. You don't sound like someone desperately pursuing the loss of your soul life, Ruth... You sound like someone desperately trying to use it to recover more of what pleased it... And therein is the seed/root of your continual error. May the Lord save you, and us all, out of our continual turning to our old fallen man. Amen.
@@ruthwise2159 says... "Are you saying I am apart from the One into Whom I have been grafted, to whom I am joined as one spirit, and the One Whom I love to the uttermost?" Yes... Yes... And... Your choosing to be apart from Him exposes that you don't love Him "...to the uttermost...". If you properly understood what being grafted into Him actually means, you would not speak the error you've spoken in some of your videos... Likewise being joined "...as one spirit...". All you're doing here is claiming things you've read about in the Bible... But your speaking exposes your not possessing (living out) the reality of what you're claiming. Ephesians 2:12-13... "So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but now much rather in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; . . . For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure." Being born-again of God by believing into Christ Jesus is the first phase... Following this, there now needs to be our cooperating with Him in His inward working/operating that produces "...His good pleasure..."... We're grafted into Him... We're joined with Him in our regenerated spirit, and we love Him with the love He has loved us with... But all three are testified to in an inward reality that is expressed outwardly in our daily living... And in this outward daily living that testifies to our being grafted into Christ Jesus, having Him in our spirit one with us and us one with Him, and loving Him to the uttermost, there can be seen the realization of our cooperating with Him and producing "...His good pleasure..."... This "...His good pleasure..." being the Father's beloved Son, Christ Jesus. It's all well and good to claim being grafted in, joined to the Spirit, and loving Him to the uttermost... But the proof is in the outward testimony of the claimed inward reality... This is what in video after video you have failed dismally at testifying. You are not testifying the Person of Christ in your videos, Ruth... You are simply expressing your natural man, which is fallen, as it is with us all. This is the context of Paul's speaking on working out our salvation... What is inside needs to be worked out into our outward testimony... Which, ironically, is in fact what you are demanding from those you're speaking to in your videos... As related to the TLR organization and any who seem to support it. Biblical scripture is absolutely clear, Ruth... We can't serve two masters, as the Lord said in Matthew 6:24... And He then went on to say... Matthew 6:25... "...Because of this, I say to you, Do not be anxious for your life, what you should eat or what you should drink; nor for your body, what you should put on. Is not the life more than food, and the body than clothing?" In every video of yours that I've watched, you have exhibited the opposite of "...Do not be anxious for your life...", thereby exposing that you are not holding to (cooperating with) the One into Whom you've been grafted, are joined with in spirit, and claim to "...love to the uttermost...". The videos of yours that I've watched do not confirm that you are standing in (abiding in) Christ, Ruth... They expose the opposite. And this is what, from my first comments to your videos, I've been trying to draw your attention to, and encourage you to correct. Anyone can criticize poor/immoral behavior in others... But the Lord has called us to a higher standard... One in which we must do all things in and through Him... And this is something that your own words expose you as not doing... And I can say this because of the errors you make in relation to alignment with biblical scripture. Which brings me to this that you said... "The Bible also says “I can do all things through Him who empowers me.” Yes, it most certainly does... But this is only realized when we are doing "...all things through Him..."... Not doing "...all things claiming to be through Him...". I wonder if you fully understand how "...all things through Him..." actually works, Ruth? Here you go... Matthew 16:24-25... "Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. . . . For whoever wants to save his soul-life shall lose it; but whoever loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it." Our being able to do "...all things through Him..." is only possible when we "...deny..." ourselves, "...take up..." our "...cross...", and follow Jesus... Meaning, lose our soul life. You don't sound like someone desperately pursuing the loss of your soul life, Ruth... You sound like someone desperately trying to use it to recover more of what pleased it... And therein is the seed/root of your continual error. May the Lord save you, and us all, out of our continual turning to our old fallen man. Amen.
None of you speaking expresses maturity in life, HappyAurora... Better to take your judgemental thoughts captive to Christ, and then try and speak in life... Not the same death that Ruth is speaking in. Amen.
Happy Aurora, you are obviously looking forward to the release of Ruth's new videos, knowing in advance that they are dedicated to the same burden, the theme of revealing the pseudo-Christian deviation in "LR". You are one of the first viewers, make yourself comfortable.
@@HelenChikina says... "...the pseudo-Christian deviation in "LR"...". Cute... How about you give a clear explanation of just what this "...pseudo-Christian deviation in "LR"..." actually is... Because I am in the "LR"... And have been for some 20+ years... And there is nothing "...pseudo-Christian deviation..." about me. Thanks... I look forward to your non-general explanation. May the Lord save us all out of such loose, generalizations in our speaking. Amen.
@@aboveandbeyond9844 Are you ready to hear it? Should I make my own separate channel for this? Ruth and the others have said so much about it. If you sincerely want to know, the Lord will reveal it to you, step by step...
BOTH NEE AND LEE FUND RAISING HAS BEEN " THE CASE " SINCE 1928.....ONLY BY USING THE TERM CHURCH.....THEY GET SHORT MONEY PROFIT....BY THE NAME OF THE CHURCH.....
@@JT-nu1oi Perhaps addressing sins of idolatry and immorality, one is in a valley of death… but speaking helps me to get out of any type of darkness and oppression. And though we do at times walk THROUGH the valley of the shadow of death, we are not afraid because HE is with us. Emmanuel. I enjoyed that in the service I went to today - to Mary, to Joseph, to the shepherds and to the wisemen… the words “Do not be afraid” were spoken… instead of fear, we have good tidings of great joy, peace, salvation…. As far as giving all this to Jesus, it was never mine. But it is ours to expose works of darkness, and to treat brothers who refuse to repent as unbelievers - not as God’s deputy authority.
None of you speaking expresses maturity in life, HappyAurora... Better to take your judgemental thoughts captive to Christ, and then try and speak in life... Not the same death that Ruth is speaking in. Amen.
@HappyAurora-zi2jc - A main difference between me and a politician is I have NOTHING personally to gain by speaking out... I have no interest in ANYONE being hurt, though addressing these matters is unavoidably painful. I want Christians to be safe, and leaders to be held accountable, and for there to be no abuse of "authority"/power in this group or any group, and no financial gain from the poor by selling "God's up-to-date speaking"... And all lies about members of Christ's Body to stop, and any deceptive wolves disguised as sheep - to be exposed, and for Satan to be defeated in every way. The rape of women is 100% unacceptable and highly damaging to the direct victims but also to the whole society. Victims described Watchman Nee's raping of them, and he admitted it. Why was there not public reproval and public repentance, as with King David? Worse than rape, perhaps, is the worship of a man/men that allows for there to be no accountability for rape, along with the teaching that knowing evil is on the wrong tree, and that speaking out about gross sins is rebellion.
That is just a accusations and it needs to be proven. There are always two sides of the story.You cannot monopolize the truth.Your accusations are a century accusations during the early days of his ministry.Sad to say that you are among who became the victim of dessenting ones during those time in China . Sorry your in a wrong tree and I this is the last time i can be able to see your face at TH-cam your so disturbing and disgusting.
@@ruthwise2159 Definitely, the commentator above and similar commentators have a stony, unfeeling heart towards injured people, victims of violence. It's a pity that they don't understand what it means to be a victim of sexual abuse from a spiritual leader.
You already tired of spreading lies and false accusations so you better stop and shut up coz you don't have a peace of mind and a pure conscience towards God and towards the saints.
None of you speaking expresses maturity in life, HappyAurora... Better to take your judgmental thoughts captive to Christ, and then try and speak in life... Not the same death that Ruth is speaking in. Amen.
You really should watch children's shows and TV series for now. This is food for adults who distinguish between good and evil, who are insightful, who reflect on the cause-and-effect relationships between the teachings of LR and the lack of a biblical response to inappropriate events taking place in this community, in order to protect gullible people and our children.
@@Peanut9527 says... "Aurora is essentially saying the same thing you are, only you use more eloquent language to express it." The Lord knows... You, on the other hand, only have years of offended feelings to suffer in... Even toward someone who has nothing to do with the past you are desperately holding to. May the Lord save you out of the shallowness of your current existence, Peanut. Amen.
Merry Christmas, Lord's recovery!
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Ruth, please write down all the details about this book, how to find it for reading.
Please read this book more.
The author of this book, a woman, was a neurosurgeon, and she considered it important to publish this book, in which she outlined her testimony, at the advanced age of 70-80 years, obviously observing everything that had been happening in this community over the years.
No matter what, W.Nee will remain an absolute spiritual leader for many, but sooner or later in the life of every Christian there comes a moment when he must make a choice: blindly follow a man or follow Jesus. People must free themselves from the cult in order to become disciples of Christ.
@@HelenChikina a.co/d/avmPB7G (https has to go before, then ://, but I don’t think TH-cam could moments allow live links… on Amazon, it shows up if you type in My Unforgettable Memories. And I apologize- a sister let me know I kept saying Dr. Lee in the video😳… Dr. Lily Hsu is the author.
Yes- and it was co-authored in English by Dana Roberts who had thoroughly studied Nee’s writings and when Dr. Hsu asked him to help with the English version of her book, he traveled to China to verify all the claims, knowing how serious they are and how law-suit probed LSM/TLR is. He spoke to many who affirmed everything as factual in this book.
@@ruthwise2159 Thank you, this is a good addition.
One of the biggest tactics the people who come on your channel use to attack Lily Hsu is that she left her faith for many years. Of course they haven’t actually read her book or else they’d know a major reason she left her faith was because of Nee’s sins
Just says... "... a major reason she left her faith was because of Nee’s sins...".
Then her "...faith..." was not sure... Possibly because, if her words are to be believed, her faith was a matter of her natural human reasonings regarding Watchman Nee... And was not the working/operating Spirit of Christ within her.
Praise the Lord that He caused her to be stumbled in her own self-generated "...faith..."... So that He could bring her back to Himself, the reality of our Christian faith.
If the words that Ruth read are listened to with a pure heart before the Lord, we will immediately know that Hsu's "...faith..." was in Nee, not Christ Jesus... And in that, even in all her natural brilliance, she failed before the Lord.
And this failure continued in her writings.
I hope the Lord has saved her out of her failures.
Amen.
@@aboveandbeyond9844 🙄
_Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!_
*(Matthew 18:7)*
@@aboveandbeyond9844that is untrue. The brainwashing in the LR is quite perfected. Perhaps Lily Hsu’s faith was tested then strengthened. I know that after reading Jo Casteel’s letter my faith was shaken to the core. I believed and gave everything for Christ and the church. It took some years, but the Lord is faithful to draw us back to Himself. Of course we trust the ones leading us. Of course we sh out of be appalled and shaken by the heinous sins of a believer in Christ (even if only in name).
Where do you turn, then? After the leading ones betrayed you? After you were poisoned against ‘fallen Christendom’ and threatened with outer darkness and death for leaving the local churches?
Please continue to expose the sin, Ruth
@@Peanut9527... Absolutely... But can you show me the verse where Jesus says that one believer judges another with a "...woe..."?
Amen.
I have no problem thinking that the sexual immorality is possible because he was a young man practically worshipped with young, beautiful women around him constantly. He probably had a lot of freedom, too. That would give way too much opportunity to the flesh.
But here is my genuine question. I'm not trying to be challenging or argumentative. But with the Communist government wanting to go after him, is it possible that he was set up? I mean I know he confessed, but was he confessing honestly or was he under duress and being tortured in any way and confessing to something he didn't do?
I'm asking if there's corroborating evidence to this or how you think it's definitely true? Genuinely asking…
@@maryscaletta7972 No- I appreciate it. A main convincing factor to me is that both sister-coworkers also described the crime against each of them and there was corroboration between their statements and WNee’s confessions. And multiple witnesses were there for those victims’ statements. The sister whose nude footage stated Nee’s reasons for taking the nude photos, and he gave the same statement to the government
@@ruthwise2159Okay, wow, that's very interesting.
When did the expo happen? Was he already in prison? Was the expo to show the church why he was arrested or was it before he was arrested and imprisoned?
I lean more toward that this probably happened. I still have some room to believe this could have been a set up. Not much, but some. It's just that when you have a whole government going after you, if that's what happened, those sisters could have been told what to say and forced to say it.
I'm not saying I believe that's what happened, I'm just pointing out where the holes of doubt could be. It would be good if the holes could be completely plugged and verified, if at all possible.
If this is the truth, it would be healthy for us to know without a shadow of a doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, so that we once again learn the lesson that the Bible, Jesus, and even Watchman Nee and Witness Lee teach:
• Every human is a sinner.
• No one should be trusted wholly.
• Everyone should be safe (have witnesses) when they are around finances and members of the opposite sex they aren't married to them.
• No member of the Body of Christ should be raised up, even if only in our minds and hearts, to be an infallible, "if they said it then it's from God", "teacher", "master", "Father". For we are all just fallible brothers and sisters aspiring to be "in Christ" but still learning and always able to fail and fail miserably. All of us should be discerned and held accountable-any leader all the more. In fact, the more gifted they are, the more they should be scrutinized.
You are scrutinizing Watchman Nee and Witness Lee, and that is healthy, right, and in order. We all should.
We all should be mature enough to hold to opposing thoughts in our minds:
People can be gifts to the body while also being the sinners that we all are.
Galatians 6:4-5... "But let each man prove his own work, and then he will have his boast in regard to himself alone and not in regard to another. . . . For each one shall bear his own load."
Although those who stumble another will have a particular "...woe..." to answer to... The reality is... Each must prove their own work... And whining about what someone has done to you isn't going to gain a well done good and faithful servant accolade when you stand before the Lord... Gaining the Lord a profit with what He has given to you is what will.
Amen.
@@aboveandbeyond9844 Who is whining? What we do to the least of these, we do to Him. I am speaking out to prohibit, as much as I can, the continued stumbling of the least of these, to comfort any who, like me, have been abused in what should be the safest place - the church - the Father’s house.
@@ruthwise2159 says... "...I am speaking out to prohibit,...".
The Lord, our God, says... "I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing."
Your "...I..." can do absolutely nothing, Ruth... That is your error.
May the Lord, in His time, correct you and bring you back into Himself as your living and being.
Amen.
@ Yes, apart from Him we can do nothing. Are you saying I am apart from the One into Whom I have been grafted, to whom I am joined as one spirit, and the One Whom I love to the uttermost? The Bible also says “I can do all things through Him who empowers me.”
@@ruthwise2159 says... "Are you saying I am apart from the One into Whom I have been grafted, to whom I am joined as one spirit, and the One Whom I love to the uttermost?"
Yes... Yes... And... Your choosing to be apart from Him exposes that you don't love Him "...to the uttermost...".
If you properly understood what being grafted into Him actually means, you would not speak the error you've spoken in some of your videos... Likewise being joined "...as one spirit...".
All you're doing here is claiming things you've read about in the Bible... But your speaking exposes your not possessing (living out) the reality of what you're claiming.
Ephesians 2:12-13... "So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but now much rather in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; . . . For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure."
Being born-again of God by believing into Christ Jesus is the first phase... Following this, there now needs to be our cooperating with Him in His inward working/operating that produces "...His good pleasure..."... We're grafted into Him... We're joined with Him in our regenerated spirit, and we love Him with the love He has loved us with... But all three are testified to in an inward reality that is expressed outwardly in our daily living... And in this outward daily living that testifies to our being grafted into Christ Jesus, having Him in our spirit one with us and us one with Him, and loving Him to the uttermost, there can be seen the realization of our cooperating with Him and producing "...His good pleasure..."... This "...His good pleasure..." being the Father's beloved Son, Christ Jesus.
It's all well and good to claim being grafted in, joined to the Spirit, and loving Him to the uttermost... But the proof is in the outward testimony of the claimed inward reality... This is what in video after video you have failed dismally at testifying.
You are not testifying the Person of Christ in your videos, Ruth... You are simply expressing your natural man, which is fallen, as it is with us all.
This is the context of Paul's speaking on working out our salvation... What is inside needs to be worked out into our outward testimony... Which, ironically, is in fact what you are demanding from those you're speaking to in your videos... As related to the TLR organization and any who seem to support it.
Biblical scripture is absolutely clear, Ruth... We can't serve two masters, as the Lord said in Matthew 6:24... And He then went on to say... Matthew 6:25... "...Because of this, I say to you, Do not be anxious for your life, what you should eat or what you should drink; nor for your body, what you should put on. Is not the life more than food, and the body than clothing?"
In every video of yours that I've watched, you have exhibited the opposite of "...Do not be anxious for your life...", thereby exposing that you are not holding to (cooperating with) the One into Whom you've been grafted, are joined with in spirit, and claim to "...love to the uttermost...".
The videos of yours that I've watched do not confirm that you are standing in (abiding in) Christ, Ruth... They expose the opposite.
And this is what, from my first comments to your videos, I've been trying to draw your attention to, and encourage you to correct.
Anyone can criticize poor/immoral behavior in others... But the Lord has called us to a higher standard... One in which we must do all things in and through Him... And this is something that your own words expose you as not doing... And I can say this because of the errors you make in relation to alignment with biblical scripture.
Which brings me to this that you said... "The Bible also says “I can do all things through Him who empowers me.”
Yes, it most certainly does... But this is only realized when we are doing "...all things through Him..."... Not doing "...all things claiming to be through Him...".
I wonder if you fully understand how "...all things through Him..." actually works, Ruth?
Here you go...
Matthew 16:24-25... "Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. . . . For whoever wants to save his soul-life shall lose it; but whoever loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it."
Our being able to do "...all things through Him..." is only possible when we "...deny..." ourselves, "...take up..." our "...cross...", and follow Jesus... Meaning, lose our soul life.
You don't sound like someone desperately pursuing the loss of your soul life, Ruth... You sound like someone desperately trying to use it to recover more of what pleased it... And therein is the seed/root of your continual error.
May the Lord save you, and us all, out of our continual turning to our old fallen man.
Amen.
@@ruthwise2159 says... "Are you saying I am apart from the One into Whom I have been grafted, to whom I am joined as one spirit, and the One Whom I love to the uttermost?"
Yes... Yes... And... Your choosing to be apart from Him exposes that you don't love Him "...to the uttermost...".
If you properly understood what being grafted into Him actually means, you would not speak the error you've spoken in some of your videos... Likewise being joined "...as one spirit...".
All you're doing here is claiming things you've read about in the Bible... But your speaking exposes your not possessing (living out) the reality of what you're claiming.
Ephesians 2:12-13... "So then, my beloved, even as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but now much rather in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; . . . For it is God who operates in you both the willing and the working for His good pleasure."
Being born-again of God by believing into Christ Jesus is the first phase... Following this, there now needs to be our cooperating with Him in His inward working/operating that produces "...His good pleasure..."... We're grafted into Him... We're joined with Him in our regenerated spirit, and we love Him with the love He has loved us with... But all three are testified to in an inward reality that is expressed outwardly in our daily living... And in this outward daily living that testifies to our being grafted into Christ Jesus, having Him in our spirit one with us and us one with Him, and loving Him to the uttermost, there can be seen the realization of our cooperating with Him and producing "...His good pleasure..."... This "...His good pleasure..." being the Father's beloved Son, Christ Jesus.
It's all well and good to claim being grafted in, joined to the Spirit, and loving Him to the uttermost... But the proof is in the outward testimony of the claimed inward reality... This is what in video after video you have failed dismally at testifying.
You are not testifying the Person of Christ in your videos, Ruth... You are simply expressing your natural man, which is fallen, as it is with us all.
This is the context of Paul's speaking on working out our salvation... What is inside needs to be worked out into our outward testimony... Which, ironically, is in fact what you are demanding from those you're speaking to in your videos... As related to the TLR organization and any who seem to support it.
Biblical scripture is absolutely clear, Ruth... We can't serve two masters, as the Lord said in Matthew 6:24... And He then went on to say... Matthew 6:25... "...Because of this, I say to you, Do not be anxious for your life, what you should eat or what you should drink; nor for your body, what you should put on. Is not the life more than food, and the body than clothing?"
In every video of yours that I've watched, you have exhibited the opposite of "...Do not be anxious for your life...", thereby exposing that you are not holding to (cooperating with) the One into Whom you've been grafted, are joined with in spirit, and claim to "...love to the uttermost...".
The videos of yours that I've watched do not confirm that you are standing in (abiding in) Christ, Ruth... They expose the opposite.
And this is what, from my first comments to your videos, I've been trying to draw your attention to, and encourage you to correct.
Anyone can criticize poor/immoral behavior in others... But the Lord has called us to a higher standard... One in which we must do all things in and through Him... And this is something that your own words expose you as not doing... And I can say this because of the errors you make in relation to alignment with biblical scripture.
Which brings me to this that you said... "The Bible also says “I can do all things through Him who empowers me.”
Yes, it most certainly does... But this is only realized when we are doing "...all things through Him..."... Not doing "...all things claiming to be through Him...".
I wonder if you fully understand how "...all things through Him..." actually works, Ruth?
Here you go...
Matthew 16:24-25... "Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. . . . For whoever wants to save his soul-life shall lose it; but whoever loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it."
Our being able to do "...all things through Him..." is only possible when we "...deny..." ourselves, "...take up..." our "...cross...", and follow Jesus... Meaning, lose our soul life.
You don't sound like someone desperately pursuing the loss of your soul life, Ruth... You sound like someone desperately trying to use it to recover more of what pleased it... And therein is the seed/root of your continual error.
May the Lord save you, and us all, out of our continual turning to our old fallen man.
Amen.
Your unending story has no ending and no end .Its better to watch a telenovela coz it's exciting to watch until the end.
None of you speaking expresses maturity in life, HappyAurora... Better to take your judgemental thoughts captive to Christ, and then try and speak in life... Not the same death that Ruth is speaking in.
Amen.
Happy Aurora, you are obviously looking forward to the release of Ruth's new videos, knowing in advance that they are dedicated to the same burden, the theme of revealing the pseudo-Christian deviation in "LR". You are one of the first viewers, make yourself comfortable.
And yet you’re often one of the first to comment. You must really like her videos if you keep coming back!
@@HelenChikina says... "...the pseudo-Christian deviation in "LR"...".
Cute... How about you give a clear explanation of just what this "...pseudo-Christian deviation in "LR"..." actually is... Because I am in the "LR"... And have been for some 20+ years... And there is nothing "...pseudo-Christian deviation..." about me.
Thanks... I look forward to your non-general explanation.
May the Lord save us all out of such loose, generalizations in our speaking.
Amen.
@@aboveandbeyond9844
Are you ready to hear it? Should I make my own separate channel for this?
Ruth and the others have said so much about it.
If you sincerely want to know, the Lord will reveal it to you, step by step...
BOTH NEE AND LEE FUND RAISING HAS BEEN " THE CASE " SINCE 1928.....ONLY BY USING THE TERM CHURCH.....THEY GET SHORT MONEY PROFIT....BY THE NAME OF THE CHURCH.....
Get out of the valley of death!!!
And let it go give it to Christ Jesus sister
@@JT-nu1oi Perhaps addressing sins of idolatry and immorality, one is in a valley of death… but speaking helps me to get out of any type of darkness and oppression. And though we do at times walk THROUGH the valley of the shadow of death, we are not afraid because HE is with us. Emmanuel. I enjoyed that in the service I went to today - to Mary, to Joseph, to the shepherds and to the wisemen… the words “Do not be afraid” were spoken… instead of fear, we have good tidings of great joy, peace, salvation….
As far as giving all this to Jesus, it was never mine. But it is ours to expose works of darkness, and to treat brothers who refuse to repent as unbelievers - not as God’s deputy authority.
You just throwing a lot of negative things and you are just like a politician who had a lot of mudslinging towards other.
None of you speaking expresses maturity in life, HappyAurora... Better to take your judgemental thoughts captive to Christ, and then try and speak in life... Not the same death that Ruth is speaking in.
Amen.
@HappyAurora-zi2jc - A main difference between me and a politician is I have NOTHING personally to gain by speaking out... I have no interest in ANYONE being hurt, though addressing these matters is unavoidably painful. I want Christians to be safe, and leaders to be held accountable, and for there to be no abuse of "authority"/power in this group or any group, and no financial gain from the poor by selling "God's up-to-date speaking"... And all lies about members of Christ's Body to stop, and any deceptive wolves disguised as sheep - to be exposed, and for Satan to be defeated in every way.
The rape of women is 100% unacceptable and highly damaging to the direct victims but also to the whole society. Victims described Watchman Nee's raping of them, and he admitted it. Why was there not public reproval and public repentance, as with King David?
Worse than rape, perhaps, is the worship of a man/men that allows for there to be no accountability for rape, along with the teaching that knowing evil is on the wrong tree, and that speaking out about gross sins is rebellion.
That is just a accusations and it needs to be proven. There are always two sides of the story.You cannot monopolize the truth.Your accusations are a century accusations during the early days of his ministry.Sad to say that you are among who became the victim of dessenting ones during those time in China . Sorry your in a wrong tree and I this is the last time i can be able to see your face at TH-cam your so disturbing and disgusting.
@@ruthwise2159 Definitely, the commentator above and similar commentators have a stony, unfeeling heart towards injured people, victims of violence. It's a pity that they don't understand what it means to be a victim of sexual abuse from a spiritual leader.
You already tired of spreading lies and false accusations so you better stop and shut up coz you don't have a peace of mind and a pure conscience towards God and towards the saints.
None of you speaking expresses maturity in life, HappyAurora... Better to take your judgmental thoughts captive to Christ, and then try and speak in life... Not the same death that Ruth is speaking in.
Amen.
You really should watch children's shows and TV series for now. This is food for adults who distinguish between good and evil, who are insightful, who reflect on the cause-and-effect relationships between the teachings of LR and the lack of a biblical response to inappropriate events taking place in this community, in order to protect gullible people and our children.
@@aboveandbeyond9844
Aurora is essentially saying the same thing you are, only you use more eloquent language to express it.
There you go again: ignoring the truth!
@@Peanut9527 says... "Aurora is essentially saying the same thing you are, only you use more eloquent language to express it."
The Lord knows... You, on the other hand, only have years of offended feelings to suffer in... Even toward someone who has nothing to do with the past you are desperately holding to.
May the Lord save you out of the shallowness of your current existence, Peanut.
Amen.