Emilio Estevez on El Camino de Santiago, “The Way” and why we need pilgrimage | Salon Talks

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  • Emilio Estevez explains the story behind the 2023 re-release of his 2011 film, “The Way,” and why it is a standout accomplishment for him as a director. Estevez says the film, which takes place on the ancient 500-mile pilgrimage route called El Camino de Santiago in Spain, and stars his father Martin Sheen, is more relevant than ever. "It would change our politics,” Estevez said about pilgrimage today. Since its initial release, “The Way” has inspired thousands of people to travel to Spain and do the walk.
    The writer, director and actor talks about rescuing the movie’s rights a few years ago, shooting on real film with natural light, the upcoming sequel and the life-changing moments that happened while in production. “There were all of these amazing miracles, all of these moments of genuine love that were born out of this film that you just can't ignore it,” he said. “The movie had a magical impact on so many people and continues to.”
    “The Way” will re-appear in theaters for one day only on May 16, 2023. Learn more about the special event here: www.fathomevents.com/events/T...
    Chapters:
    00:00 Re-releasing "The Way"
    05:38 "The Way" inspired travelers
    10:32 Estevez-Sheen connection to Camino de Santiago
    13:38 Estevez says we need pilgrimage
    16:03 Production of "The Way"
    22:46 How to watch "The Way"
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  • @StefanieHurtado
    @StefanieHurtado ปีที่แล้ว +72

    This movie totally changed my life... it's such crazy timing that it's being re-released right now...
    My Dad made me watch this film with him when it came out. It was one of the few times I ever saw him cry. I think he related to it because I WAS Emilio's character at the time, and he was like Martin's. After watching The Way, his ultimate dream was to walk the Camino once he retired. He died of cancer just 8 months before he could fulfill his dream.
    I ended up walking the Camino the year after my Dad died. I walked the 800km and got his name on the Compostela. It was a pretty miserable trip because of how deep in grief I was... but it helped me process in a way I wouldn't have been able to otherwise.
    I decided to walk the Camino again last year (2022), now that I'm in a better place. It was hands down the best experience of my life. I now recommend it to everyone I know. It really is a magical journey 💖

    • @andya1976m
      @andya1976m ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You video about the Camino is the best one I ever seen. You catch all the real feeling about this route. I just want to sey about you in my previous comment, but I don't want to push to many buttons and here you are!!! 💞

    • @mickeymortimer4407
      @mickeymortimer4407 ปีที่แล้ว

      far out, peace❤

    • @StefanieHurtado
      @StefanieHurtado ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andya1976m Aw thank you so much Andya! :)

    • @AidaJof
      @AidaJof 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So very sorry about your Dad. I am glad you did it again with a new mindset. Buen Camino Pilgrim🤗
      I walked my first Camino last year (Sept/Oct), see my post above.

    • @jamesburke3803
      @jamesburke3803 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stephanie, I loved your documentary on your pilgrimage! I'm preparing/psyching myself up to do my third Camino (I'm pushing 70), and I've been watching TH-cam videos. Most of them are inadequate, because the narrator is so wrapped up in filmmaking that they aren't really there. Perhaps because this was your second camino, and because you're an experienced filmmaker, yours is the only documentary I've seen thus far that captures the beauty and essence of the walk. I would encourage everyone to look up Stephanie Hurtado and watch her video. I actually think it hits the core even better than "The Way".

  • @seanclark2085
    @seanclark2085 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Back in 2011 I was at home in the UK waiting for my Taxi at 3am to take me to the airport for a 6am flight to Spain to walk my first Camino. I had only heard about the Camino weeks before and decided on a whim to just go for it and see how far I'd get, I literally knew nothing about it . Flicking through the 24 hour news channels I stopped on CNN , they were interviewing Martin Sheene and his son about the movie " The Way" ! I couldn't believe what I was seeing, weeks before I'd never heard of the Camino and here I was watching the trailer for a movie about the Camino whilst waiting to go on Camino myself. It was a hairs on the back of the neck moment and for me something I'll never forget.
    I walked my first Camino and eventually saw the movie about 6 months later, they did a good job, it's a very watchable movie and for whatever reason always brings me to tears.
    I've walked many Caminos since, but will never forget the first or that coincidence .
    Buen Camino

  • @unbreakable7633
    @unbreakable7633 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I told a friend of mine about this movie. He said, "The Way? I don't like religious stuff." I said, "It's not about religion; it's about life and living."

    • @DanielOutdoors
      @DanielOutdoors ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its about religion too actually... It is afterall The Way of St. James, this two are walking. I did the Camino, and I am not religious, but I am open to religion, so I am pretty sure that the two characters depend, on the way of St. James to find themself. Emilio even says it on minutes 8:09

    • @JuanPerez-sn3jw
      @JuanPerez-sn3jw ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's about European history and believes of our ancestors.

    • @DavidHRyall
      @DavidHRyall 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DanielOutdoors it's still not a religious film though. Have you watched it?

    • @DanielOutdoors
      @DanielOutdoors 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DavidHRyall It is, watch the Producers Emilio even say it on the interview... And yeah I own the movie and watched it like 6 times now. El Camino is pretty religious by itself yes to even though its been more comercial latest years. I even have family at Galicia and have been weatching the local politician and experts talk about el Camino for plenty of years..

    • @gertrudyscanales9281
      @gertrudyscanales9281 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “To each their own.” When he’s ready he’ll watch it. Have you heard about The Pilgrimage by Coelho? That ways the first thing that made me want to walk El Camino. I am finally doing it in about 2 weeks. 🎒

  • @stevehupman7688
    @stevehupman7688 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Thank you Emilio for making this movie. It changed my life. I walked my first Camino in September 2021 and then was lucky enough to walk my second Camino with our youngest daughter through Portugal in 2022. I am convinced the world would be a better place, if all of the world leaders were required to walk the El Camino de Santiago de Compostela.

    • @evokritik
      @evokritik ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's funny
      I have done the Camino Frances from 26.8 to 30.9 2021 and the Camino Portuguese in June 2022

  • @jillatilano8943
    @jillatilano8943 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I recommended this wonderful film to my father and, one year later, he walked the 6 week journey on the Camino. Thank you.

  • @wowzieee
    @wowzieee ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Having just walked the Camino Aug 2022, we being 60 and 67, walked for 70 days, from Le Puy to Santiago, the movie The Way is so often referenced by the Pilgrams and a revival will be celebrated yet again. If you need any extras, we are here for you. Keep inspiring.

  • @PaladinBlades
    @PaladinBlades ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I saw this movie in 2015, and 3 years later to the day, I announced on facebook I was making the pilgrimage and walked the Camino in 2018. I'm leaving for my second Camino in 78 days. Such an incredible experience. You miss it for a long time afterwards. The simplicity of life on the Camino is addictive. It will be my second Camino, but I don't plan on it being my last. Thank you for bringing light to this experience.

    • @DavidHRyall
      @DavidHRyall 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You must be starting soon, Buen Camino! 😍

  • @heinzguderian3267
    @heinzguderian3267 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I have this movie on DVD. It is a well made, well written, well acted movie. I plan on walking the Camino Frances this Aug/Sep and “The Way” has made a significant impact on my desire to do the Camino. Thank you Emilio for making this movie. Thank your father for giving me more inspiration to make this journey.

  • @PilarGonzalez-fo6pq
    @PilarGonzalez-fo6pq 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Tengo la inmensa suerte de haber nacido en el Bierzo, cada día veo pasar a los peregrinos que van hacia Santiago de Compostela, por estas personas siento una admiración muy especial, les deseo un Feliz Camino.🧑‍🦯🚶🍀👍👍👏👏

  • @MAGAIdaho
    @MAGAIdaho ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I saw this movie in 2012. Because of The Way, I have walked the Camino four times.
    A life-changing movie.
    Thank you Emilio and Martin!

  • @Lizerator
    @Lizerator ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have watched this movie so many times. Wonderful, life changing, inspirational.

  • @CaminoTurtle
    @CaminoTurtle ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So glad to hear the film is being released again. I know from my own experience on the Camino that the film motivated so many people to walk and it changed their lives. I had the miraculous chance to meet the Estevez family at one of the albergues. Wonderful; loving hospitable people like so many of the hosteliers in Spain.

  • @mvanertcg
    @mvanertcg ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This movie motivated me to walk the Camino, I've been back two times and plan on going back again next year. This is a wonderful movie even though there are liberties taken with some locations but, overall, it really represents what I got from being on the Camino and finding wonderful people from all over the world.

  • @patriciadegyldenfeldt-novo1685
    @patriciadegyldenfeldt-novo1685 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I watched this movie a couple of times before the pandemic and I loved it to its core, as it means to much to have the caliber of Martin and Emilio on it. It is beautifully written and acted and the message is unforgettable.

  • @stephanierose31
    @stephanierose31 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of my MOST FAVORITE movies of all time! God Bless Emilio! Bought the DVD many years ago and I am so glad I have it. It's such a beautiful story.

  • @britchie7224
    @britchie7224 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yep, going in September because of the film.

  • @OdalysPomales
    @OdalysPomales 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome movie! The movie did motivate me to walk the Camino. I’m really excited about it May 2024!

  • @natashafiket6838
    @natashafiket6838 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The best effect of watching The Way is inspire others, even seniors to walk the Camino Francais. We did that and it changed our lives for the better:)

  • @nexusdodge
    @nexusdodge ปีที่แล้ว +5

    OK Universe WTH. Two days ago, I entered a contest for a free bucket list trip. I put down that after watching "The Way" my wife added walking the Camino to the top of her bucket list. And now this re-release is announced. Too weird! Thanks Emilio! Great movie and looking forward to the next one.

  • @liafiol-matta2736
    @liafiol-matta2736 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love this, planning my first Camino for 2024! ♥️

    • @OdalysPomales
      @OdalysPomales 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me to in May!

  • @patricktan148
    @patricktan148 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi I'm from Penang, Malaysia and I watched this movie on TH-cam in 2020 during the Covid lockdown. Love this movie very much. Was so inspirational.
    Did my 1st Camino by cycling from St. Jean Pied de Port back in late April 2023. Was a good 2 weeks of riding.
    I hope to do it again in a couple of years and this time I hope to walk it.

  • @vanss1935
    @vanss1935 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Es tan bonito, es que pensar que Francisco Estevez tuvo que abandonar España y su bisnieto haya hecho el camino inverso! ha vuelto a España y ha tenido una hija aquí, es cómo un círculo que se cierra. Todo gracias a que sus hijos, incluído Ramón (Martin Sheen), no olvidaron sus raíces europeas aunque se pusiera un nombre artístico.
    Me encanta cómo habla Emilio Estévez, cada vez se parece más a su padre, sus ojos son idénticos. Se les ve buenas personas. ❤

  • @SimonBurnCreative
    @SimonBurnCreative 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Way motivated me to walk the Camino, and it was a life-changing experience. It also pushed me to tell my own stories and make my own film about he Camino and how it changes people and shows us what's really important in life. Thank you Emilio.

  • @joestevenson5526
    @joestevenson5526 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My wife and I love The Way, and we will walk the Camino de Santago in early 2024 as our retirement vacation.

    • @DavidHRyall
      @DavidHRyall 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Buen Camino!

  • @mccue2866
    @mccue2866 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great movie.
    Since the movie I have walked the Camino de Santiago 3 times. Loved every minute of it

  • @maryperry1773
    @maryperry1773 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Memorable movie. Highly recommend. As soon as I saw it was Emilio Estevez and Martin Sheen, I made certain to find this movie.

  • @MorganadeLancelot
    @MorganadeLancelot ปีที่แล้ว +4

    yo soy de España y me encantó la película, con qué mimo se hizo, con qué detalle. Yo recomiendo esta película cuando alguien tiene dudas de hacer el camino de Santiago y están encantados cuando la ven. Gracias Emilio Estévez

  • @michaeldevino8920
    @michaeldevino8920 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Loved this movie!

  • @PauloPires1
    @PauloPires1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of my all time favorite movies. Also motivated me to do the Camino Frances and later the Portugues with my son ❤

  • @HillTrekkerSarge
    @HillTrekkerSarge 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have walked the Camino de Santiago seven times, different routes. I have three different men to thank for my discovery of the Camino and for inspiring me to walk it and helping me to walk it. The first one is Rick Steves because I stumbled across his PBS travel show about the Camino and northern Spain one afternoon whilst channel surfing. I was captivated by the prospect of walking the Camino and vowed to walk it ASAP. That's when the second and third men came into play, John Brierley for his guidebook which I purchased and Emilio Estevez for his film, The Way which I also purchased online as it had just come out a year before. The Camino is my spiritual, religious and physical jump start every time I walk it.

  • @michelledulay2170
    @michelledulay2170 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did the Camino from Tui, Portugal with my aunt in Sept 2018. It was my first ever Camino de Santiago. It was an amazing experience! I did the Camino in honour of my late mother. I saw 'The Way" before i did the walk.

  • @eduardotirado839
    @eduardotirado839 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Roncesvalle/ Santiago 2013
    31 days I will never forget.
    Hoping to do the Portugal route soon…

  • @craft2bsane
    @craft2bsane 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love this film, have watched it many time and have loaned it to a few friends over the years. Thank you for making this film! Doing the pilgrimage is still on my bucket list. God willing it will happen.

  • @tmts9633
    @tmts9633 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    International Youth Day with the Pope is this year and in Portugal and many will be doing that Camino to Santiago afterward...perfect timing to watch the movie before heading over

  • @kennielsen3896
    @kennielsen3896 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This movie is fantastic. I remember thinking I know a lot of people who should have this experience but didn't need to myself. I loved my career helping people/families, but their problems are so dark, I didn't see how it affected me. After a 9-month sabbatical I realized how soul crushing it was. I could have used the experience of the Camino, back in 2011. I've retired early and am moving to Spain. Perhaps I will end up doing the Camino.

    • @jabbielyii8736
      @jabbielyii8736 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is highly recommended, but...be careful...it can be addictive. Buen camino.

  • @RickCrist
    @RickCrist 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great interview. I've watched it twice. The Camino is magical.

  • @aront23
    @aront23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fantastic movie that inspired me. I wanted to say something to Emilio when I met saw him in Los Alamos with Kurt Russell. Appreciate the great work and the depiction of the Camino.

  • @Nyumc99
    @Nyumc99 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought young guns was his best film, until I watched the way ! Amazing stuff Mr. Estevez . 👏🖖

  • @malcolmmeer9761
    @malcolmmeer9761 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Read about the Camino back in college in 1972 . Was at the Heartland Film Festival in Indianapolis at the Indiana Museum of Art at its first showing. Wife and I walked the pilgrimage in fall 2015 Your story of the last day of shooting at the Cathedral was amazing

  • @anacasanova7350
    @anacasanova7350 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Si, hasta Leonor de Aquitania, Ricardo Corazón de León, etc realizaron el Camino de Santiago en el S.XIII.
    Gracias Emilio por llevar la bandera de España, la de tus abuelos,paternos.

  • @karenlynne12
    @karenlynne12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LOVE this movie!!!

  • @jillpannill2578
    @jillpannill2578 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great interview! Love The Way! Can’t wait for the sequel.

  • @salvatoregranata7878
    @salvatoregranata7878 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very true comments by Emilio, Buen Camino

  • @TTraveller3
    @TTraveller3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful movie. Wonderful story. A story about the importance of family and friends.... In this movie 4 strangers become a family. "Friends are the family we choose!"

  • @lisabristow4509
    @lisabristow4509 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh my gosh Emilio, you just said exactly what I said , the camino changed my attitude to social media completely, the only photo I took in the cathedral at Santiago was of my feet , it reminds me of how long I sat there in contemplation of my journey , it made me so mad watching everyone else talking a selfie in front of the alter, without actually looking at it and soaking it up. And I say the same thing now ' who are you taking that photo for?' When I got back , my husband said "i'll make you a cup of tea and you can show me all your photos" and I replied " I took hundreds, but they are all my memories, they won't mean anything to you..if you want to see them, I posted my top 10 on instagram each day with a description of my day. To this day, Ive not shown him one photo; and Ive never photographed a meal since!!

    • @jamesburke3803
      @jamesburke3803 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My sentiments exactly! I went to the various chapels at the cathedral, seeking peace, but there was a continuous line of people filing thru, randomly snapping photos and moving on, without ever seeing anything!
      I took no photos that camino. No phone, no reservations, no nothing. Stripping away that clutter really helped me to Be Here, Right Now!

  • @evansfitts4632
    @evansfitts4632 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started the Camino Frances three days after I saw the re-release of the movie.
    Made it to Santiago 33 days later.
    It was a life changing experience!

  • @chinchorrero
    @chinchorrero ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I did the Camino at the end of May part of June 2019 because the movie The Way (I love the movie)

  • @christ3415
    @christ3415 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't wait for the sequel. Chris from Sydney, Australia.

  • @johnbell8553
    @johnbell8553 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Movie has started me on my journey its given me something to aim for

  • @margretwatson1205
    @margretwatson1205 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this film. Wish I could do that walk

  • @honestbusiness1371
    @honestbusiness1371 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Emilio is incredible even with this interviewer.

  • @sibyllelugo447
    @sibyllelugo447 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have the DVD. It's a beautiful film

  • @cherisnipes7817
    @cherisnipes7817 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this movie.

  • @RickCrist
    @RickCrist ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just returned from my second camino yesterday. Last summer I did the Camino Frances from St Jean Pied du Porte and this time I did the Caminho Portuguese from Lisbon to Santiago. My two events that motivated me to walk my camino were Paulo Coelho's book "The Pilgrimage," and The Movie "The Way." The movie is really inspiring. I can't say how many times I have watched it and told others about it. Buen Camino.

    • @AidaJof
      @AidaJof 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also did my first Camino Frances in Sept/Oct 2022 and in 2024 I plan to do the Portuguese also from Lisbon.

  • @altagrobbelaar8853
    @altagrobbelaar8853 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just completed the Camino Frances and people speak about "The Way" a lot.

  • @jackg7225
    @jackg7225 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What i like about the Camino. It feels safe, whether talking about the actual walking part or the hostels and albergues. The accommodation are relatively inexpensive. You get to meet some great people.
    I guess it was about 6 years ago, a friend mentioned the Camino after watching The Way. Maybe it was the next year, I told him, I'd be interested in doing the Camino with him. Three years ago, our Camino got canceled. Two years ago, i heard Spain was opening up and within 3 weeks, we were starting the Del Norte Camino. Last summer, i rented the movie so my mom and I could watch it, so she could see what it was about. I did the Portuguese route in April and am going back to walk the Ingles in September. I have an extra 2 to 3 weeks and may end up walking the last part of the CF?

  • @ghaili1175
    @ghaili1175 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes!!!!!

  • @ramonkelly9684
    @ramonkelly9684 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite movie

  • @maryannjabson5638
    @maryannjabson5638 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🙌🙌🙌

  • @jenequinn1342
    @jenequinn1342 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am unable to get this movie in Region 1 on DVD. I hope they will start to produce it with subtitles/CC in Region 1.

    • @DavidHRyall
      @DavidHRyall 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can find free online

  • @eileencronk7520
    @eileencronk7520 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder where Emilio sees characters post 2020?

  • @heatherwanamaker7904
    @heatherwanamaker7904 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    sweet

  • @lelandivy2207
    @lelandivy2207 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great movie, great adventure. The host has to tell us that she hasn't been in the office for three years because of covid, So typical of someone from Salon!

  • @Timoteophillips
    @Timoteophillips 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Life changing? Yes. Have walked it three times. Walking alone is a chance to reflect; walking with others is a chance to share. Wholeheartedly agree that if more people were to walk it then there would be less political angst and sense of separation.

  • @Cspspack
    @Cspspack 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is actually a really good movie and not about religion.

  • @MsLinda165
    @MsLinda165 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no offense, but the hostess should edit out the 'ums' and 'uh's, as they recur every nano second, and it detracts from the interview.

  • @antonfilgueirasdiaz5871
    @antonfilgueirasdiaz5871 ปีที่แล้ว

    A ruta e anterior a' relixion católica informense

  • @templebrown7179
    @templebrown7179 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why would an interviewer feel so compelled to talk so much about herself?

  • @alansnow1129
    @alansnow1129 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just need to put the phones and technology away and go on different hikes and adventures

  • @andya1976m
    @andya1976m ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He is so right!! A lot of americans going to the Camino, for the last 100 km, for the Compostela and Instagram photos. We dont want this! We want the Camino to remain a real Camino, not with luggage services and hostel reservations, and no Buenas in the road. They are arogant and stupid. Stay home, please, if you don't want to walk properly for your inside grow.

    • @PrimoChris09
      @PrimoChris09 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds like you know better than all. I guess the camino is just for you. Buenas!

  • @laritaclark5110
    @laritaclark5110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At the very end when Martin sheen is at the ocean he dumps the ashes. And the way he did it I thought so disrespectful the whole trail it was so important to him and so respectful to the ashes but at the end he just dumps the rest. Just like it was trash. I did not like the way he did this. Didn’t like the ending. But loved the show and inspired me.

    • @DavidHRyall
      @DavidHRyall 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe at the end he realised it didn't matter - the ashes were not his son

  • @peterexpatkiwi
    @peterexpatkiwi ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Emilo Estevez is great. Shame about the presenter

  • @TheLearningLounge
    @TheLearningLounge ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact she had to read from the script, is disappointing. Learn your stuff m'am before an interview.

  • @1963Annette
    @1963Annette ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which side of politics is he talking about I wonder

    • @01happykat
      @01happykat ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd like to presume both sides, since both sides are rife with corruption and their allegiance is primarily to campaign donors instead of their constituents. Since Christianity does not answer to a political affiliation -- only truth -- our politicians would be better guided by truth as opposed to their malleable and ever-changing culturally-influenced views.

    • @DavidHRyall
      @DavidHRyall 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Both sides