@@crpyrce My pleasure. I appreciate your encouragement and support.. I try to think of all the different questions people have asked around the given subject.. Enjoy the Breeze...🍻
You know what! this is actually total genius ! I feel like shit not picking up on the fact the ground will being sucked dry! Tearing the decks off all my quads this week end.
I spent quite awhile messing with my video feed. I literally have perfectly clean video now. Here's that video...🍻 th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
I appreciate your feedback! Honestly, the use of this video and a redundant ground is needed even more as parts seemingly get cheaper and smaller. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Hello Everyone! Thank you for checking out my channel and subscribing. Here is a video of how to run an extra, redundant, backup, etc. ground to fix just about every issues with your FPV video feed. Hope this is helpful to you. Remember!!! Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
This sounds a lot like star-grounding in audio-amp circuits. The fluctuations of voltage dissipation when it's shared between a single line between components creates noise and extra resistance to the ground. When each amp has a direct ground line to the mains the noise problem is solved.
Lol, before loosing my hearing, I competed in stereo competitions in the 90s. Could bounce a quarter over a foot off the top of my car to some Snoop "Pump"... Haha, good times. Your right...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
The ground is the issue because electrons will take the path of least resistance. The ground being lame causes the flow to disrupt the video components and by giving it a solid ground, it allows the flow to be smooth. The biggest issue is the filtration on these boards are not great and the sign wave is of poor quality, thus, improvements to the ground helps clean that up. I've tried to give a couple explanations here, apologies if that makes little sense. It took a year of electronics classes in college to grasp the entire concept, lol.. I have a video that proceeds this one - I'll link it below... I spent about 9 months working things out and the video below is the final result. I wire everything this way, except 1S whoops - they need to be as lite as possible for racing and you get what you get...🤷🏻♂️🤣
hi. i have crux3 with new all in one board with 12amp esc and upto 400mw vtx power and the board get really hot when when i connect it to the betaflight. so i decided to turn down the vtx power to 1 or 2, as it was set to 5 when i checked on betaflight. but here is the problem, when i set the vtx power below to 5 like 4 or 3 or 2 or 1, the videos shows on goggle but as soon as i arm the quad, the video signal get lost and if set the vtx power to 5, video signal stays when i arm the quad. what is the problem, is my flight controller become week because of getting too much hot while connecting to the betaflight?
Would need to meter the VTX output per power assignment to determine if the VTX is bad. I had my MultiGP race director meter mine when it was acting strange. If it was pit mode, it should act the same and not favor a specific power output level. Did you try a new VTX?
Hi thank you for the video, I’m having an issues with the plugin wire harness from my flight controller to the VTX. I believe that the wires of the harness maybe lose , causing lines and loss of video, yet the vtx will still transmit a signal even with there is no video which leads me to believe that the issue is the the wire harness and not the FC or the VTX . Any help or advice would be appreciate. Thank you .
Thank you for checking out my channel and subscribing! I appreciate you! I have had lose or damaged wire harnesses from the flight controller to the vtx too. I replace the harness with a hand built one I make. I get the "SH to Picoblade" kit from Readymaderc..
www.readymaderc.com/products/details/rmrc-ultimate-sh-picoblade-cable-kit?gclid=CjwKCAjwqML6BRAHEiwAdquMnbH3dHewFAlb5xMZm6ysWITGebiPTFehLSUZHs3_MXujY3eK8T9UERoCKPgQAvD_BwE Here's the link of the kit to make your own harness.. If at all possible, I cut the harness away and direct solder it. However, some builds just don't allow that.. Hope this information is helpful...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Subbed sent test email.saying test or testing so from vtx camera fc tie all to escape ground and that's it that easy I've been told to solder lc Filter no one said this I give.it ago.if still.there then what to try next cheers
Welcome to the PropsOff family...🎉 If your still having noise/osd issues, I took it even farther. This is the way...🍻 th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bQx5fPTJcpP6zOlE
watched this a few times.enjoying so much of the bench work vs stick time i never knew ide end up with a bad video feed.will experiment adding additional ground at time and check for improvements ..thank you sir..thank u so much!
Awesome video man nicely done!! 👌 do you think this would help to clean up HD feed for Fatshark Sharkbyte? I am definitely going to try and give you a shoutout! Sent by Md95tsi my brother in the hobby I subbed ya! (Thought I was already?) 👊🔥👍
I wish you and Chris was closer - totally want to rip it up there! I think it would help. I tried to stress the importance of a quality ground in DC applications. I appreciate any and all support...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Hi after I installed tbs coss fire receiver The vtx range dropped down Just when I move the goggles away from the quad no video....lest then 30 cm I changed the antenna , I set the vtx power to 400 I pressed the vtx button and plugin the battery for 10 sc...no change I dont know what I do....
This is odd, not heard of this issue. Sounds like a posible short. Make a video of this issue and attach it here. I would be interested to see that. However, do check for things touching that aren't supposed to touch and run continuity checks..
Thank you! I thought combining ground wires would cause a ground loop , but I guess I didn’t understand what that meant. I think by tying these grounds together you’re preventing the ground loop. Fixed my vTx feed completely!
Thank you for checking out my channel and subscribing! I'm certainly glad this helped you out. The redundancy ground is needed to create a path of least resistance and filter out voltage irregularities in the video feed. Cost me nearly $10K to learn that... Lol
would you not need to do the same for the power side too? there is only 1 thin vcc cable connecting esc and fc, so all current will need to flow through this too?
hello i am also facing issue in my vtx.Its stop sending signal as soon as afterfew second turn on. yes i had video lost issue when i armed the motor. Sometime video gradually turned to static and completely lost signal. any tips?
🤔 First I would determine the type of camera - PAL or NTSC.. Then, I would go to Betaflight OSD tabe and reload it. Then, choose the camera (because auto sucks). If I got black screen with OSD, I would replace the camera. If I only got black screen (not snow) I would check my connections and worry the AIO is crappy...
It helped big time on my 5inch racer. Tmotor F55A Pro II to MambaF7 and Swift 2. Had the OSD disappear and video darken a little. Grounded all and perfect.. Thanks for checking out my channel and subscribing...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Please no one has helped me for years I have a micro sparrow cam get it connected on my googles but after say a minute the pictutre starts rolling down the screen and like think lines going from top to bottom
@@RaininCatsnDogs Your settings in Betaflight OSD tab for PAL/NTSC/AUTO are incorrect compared to the camera itself, possibly.. Wrong channels is also a possibility, I assume you check that...🤔
Nice tip! I have a question here: if you put a larger wire in the original ground connector between the esc and FC, it would solve the problem, or still need an extra path to ground?
I think adding the second one is the best. It allows the path to ground, come directly to the component in need. I played around more with this concept in another video and was surprised of the finicky behavior displayed by the FPV system. More grounding the better seemed to play out.
I made this video just to answer that question. Not everyday I break a great working quad for a video, but I think the outcome was worth it. I hope you agree...🍻 th-cam.com/video/MuKAfgYfRhw/w-d-xo.html
@@propsoff I’m not using auto scan I have the vtx channel on my osd and that’s the channel I use, it works for a few seconds and then I get full screen snow/static. It was working for a day before I started to have any issues.
@@pablomoreno1242 After the snow, it changes channels? What channel does it start for and go to? Do you have DVR you can share? This will be hard to figure out without some example...
After many months of free hobby time, this video (see below attached) is my final. I wire all my quads this way that have video noise.. Enjoy the Breeze...🍻 th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Soegd_nXDnrShG1J
I've not heard of the TBS Crossfire rolling FPV feed. RCSchim did a video like a year ago about RXloss issues, but not familiar with rolling. What VTX? What Receiver in the goggles? Are they both manually set to the same channel (never use autoscan)?
@@timmytson1 Make sure to manually set the VTX and then your goggles to the same. I always manually set them, the first time, then check smart audio afterwards.
I am slightly confused by this...I understand your thought process that these power hungry devices in a drone need better flow for electricity, but by only supplying extra ground wont you still be starved on the positive lead?? I have almost no electrical knowledge, could you please explain how extra ground helps with power delivery?
All grounds are common - path of least resistance. We don't want voltage to build in the video component and a proper ground will open the flood gates (voltage/current in these systems are not in short supply) . Also, grounding properly, will kill RF interference. I have another video after this one, "Best FPV Video Ever", that dives deeper.. I have an Electronics Degree with well over 25 years of field repair. Learning electronics isn't a quick process, therefore, I'm happy to help...🍻
@@propsoff I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I know little to nothing about electrical systems, with my small understanding about electricity it seems like you would also need to add another or larger positive power cable or the "flow" of electricity would still be hindered by the tiny positive esc wire....but maybe there is something I am just not getting. Anything you can say or direct me to to help me understand would be greatly appreciated.....
@dyeballer777 I'm not sure how to explain it in a TH-cam comment more than above. My understanding comes from a college degree with over 20 years of electronic repairs. I wonder if you look up, "things that remove EMF". I'm sure that will start your journey...🍻 Also, check out the final video I made. This is competition of months of testing and I was not able to get my analog video any better beyond this... th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gLWcE6wMEsq1zfkQ
@@propsoff I understand electrical knowledge is hard won, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Even though I don't fully understand how it helps, I took your advice and added another ground wire between my flight controller and my VTX and the difference is quite amazing, I don't understand how your channel is the only one talking about this....thx for your insight!
@@dyeballer777 I'm happy with it because my research has improved so many people's fpv experiences. However, it's somewhat frustrating to still be a very small channel that manufacturers ignore. I just refuse to tout only good things and can't afford to give stuff away.. What can ya do, I appreciate your support and feedback...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
YES YES YES YES YES!!! 1000 X YES! I added a direct ground from the battery - to the camera - and it's FIXED!!! After a dozen hours of frustration, my issue was gone in 10 min! THANK YOU, SIR!!!
I just now seen this. No notification from TH-cam, as usual...🙄 I appreciate your feedback very much! I'm glad it worked for you too.. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
So how would you recommend adding redundant grounding when powering vtx from the battery and camera from the vtx? Would you ground the flight controller to the battery lead on the 4in1 esc?
@@Chillin-fpv After a few months of testing, I put out a new video. This is the way I wire most of my quads... th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your feedback. It's a big deal to me to know other people can duplicate successfully what I've done. Awesome to hear. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
I appreciate your feedback and support.. Oddly enough, I haven't had to do this to either of my Matek flight controllers. I have wired all my others and have clean video, finally! Please, if you would be so kind and come back and tell me how things worked out - I appreciate your feedback...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
So I cannot for the life of me figure out how to achieve this with a high voltage VTX that powers from vbatt.. pretty much no matter how I configure it I get those crisscross checkered patterns. I know I’m doing it wrong somehow.
I had some flannel shirt effect in my feed and it was bothering me. I wanted perfectly clean video - it took a while of testing and playing (about a year).. Here's the outcome.... th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
@@propsoff turned out to be a board fault. A 9v pad was barely shorting to ground. Video eventually dropped out completely ha, whoops. Had an old foxeer f722 v2 i swapped in with the same configuration and it came out crystal clear. Like almost digital clear.
Needed this an another video you had badly , they were exactly what I needed to assist me on a rotor riot cl1 build I’m using an f722 basic mamba stack in an having similar issues you had with the “ flannel “ pattern in the video feed I can’t believe I didn’t notice but the one ground between the 4-1 an my FC so really apreaciate this an your other video calling these problems out! I’m subbed 🤙 thank you seriously !!
Awesome to hear it helped.. Welcome to the PropsOff family! Yeah, the last video, "Best Video Ever" has cleared me up to the point, going HD is not super enticing. I appreciate your feedback and support...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@propsoff no jk I’m so invested in analog at this point going the digital route at this time makes no sense , so my quest for figuring out how I can get the best 5.8ghz video feed possible for all my analog set ups began , then I found these two videos you had an boom 🤯 worked out really well to the point like you say going digital isn’t that enticing at this point lol , thank you for taking the time to post them, really helped me out big time 🤙
Oh oh oh! I've tried EVERYTHING on my nearly new Tinyhawk 3 and this finally gives me hope! I'm using Fatshark Attitude V6's with rapidfire and a Radiomaster TX12. I have nearly PERFECT video UNTIL I apply throttle! Then it goes totally black until I let off stick... Then it's PERFECT again. (I'm talking Mr Steele nearly looks digital perfect) This is getting EXTREMELY frustrating as I have both a BetaFPV 85 HD AND a Nazgul5 just waiting to be flown! (I promised myself I wouldn't even try to fly them until I got used to flying FPV with the TH3) I have a PERFECT practice spot at work (gymnasium) and I haven't been able to do anything except LOS flying! I'ma try this and report back!
@@propsoff YES YES YES YES YES!!! 1000 X YES! I added a direct ground from the battery - to the camera - and it's FIXED!!! After a dozen hours of frustration, my issue was gone in 10 min! THANK YOU, SIR!!!
@@propsoff I'm going to make a quick video with pics tonight at work. I've been reading for days now and you are the only one (TH-cam & Reddit) that hit the nail on the head. Great job with the common sense explanation Most people seem to think it's a problem with VTX config in betaflight, incompatible antennas or no capacitor. Looking back it seems insanely obvious what was goin on and I'm kinda ashamed I didn't see it myself.
I need to try this out on both my FL1 setups, they have identical issues with noise as soon as I arm and they lines get worse the more throttle I give it, someone else mentioned running another ground from their 4in1 to the FC got rid of their noise issues, which is pretty much what you've done here so I'll give it a try and see if it improves my issues or not. Thanks for posting this.
@@propsoff I saw the video where you installed a power regulator nicely done... However I don't have one it's my speculation that it wouldn't hurt jumping one 9 volt pad to another however I'm inexperienced and a little short for cash I wanted to be sure before I tried I wanted your opinion if you thought I might try it or something I have a really good vtx, but I have it on vcc... I'm going to change it to 9 volt like I had it I just noticed my camera was on vcc last time I should have changed it over to nine volts instead of the VTX to vcc... I'm going to try jumping the ground like you did I just wanted to be sure about the 9-volt before I messed with a hot connection
@@coltonrooster If your VTX is rated for 2-6s then it is okay to power it from a 9-volt pad from the flight controller.. Normally, this would add some capacitance to it that may help (noise reduction).. Then, connecting your camera to the VTX (output pad) is acceptable. However, if your camera must be capable of receiving 9 volts from your VTX.. There are some cameras and there are some VTXs that can only handle 5 volts in, so, just be careful.. What you cannot do is to put two outputs together - it seems like you're far enough along and understand that. My preference, I usually like to use the output voltage pad and ground from the VTX for the camera because of better filtration, but a lot of companies are cheaping out and the VTXs on the market anymore seem like garbage.. So run the VTX from the 9v out pad on your flight controller. Also, run the camera from the VTX, if you want. Then, run a ground to the ground of the camera ground as a 3 way intersection. Should be good.. Note!!! I am not there to personally guide you and don't want bad things to happen, so read the manuals..🍻
@@propsoff Thank you so very much for tanking the time... I had wondered if the filtration would be better through the vtx thanks for clearing that up as well. Hopefully I can fix it properly now. It should be pointed out and is worth noting the obvious fix you've accomplished with a redundant ground. Soldering as a welder is relatively easy for me to understand but whenever you take too long or forget a cleaning step or shake a little too much it can be a pain...
I did just what you said to do cleaned it up a little bit but still lines there an almost like I am in between or close to the Chanel I am on use f1 5740 idk
Hello bro. I know it’s later comment but I just built my first quad an I can not for the life of me figure out how to get the faint lines out of my throttle up. I am thinking about runing the extra ground like you did. I have camera vtx ground we’re vtx ground is I crossed both pads an still same lines. Not so bad I can’t fly but they are there. Thanks if you can give me some in out ttyl ✌🏻 great video 👍
No comment is too late.. Question, did you run a jumper ground from your lipo ground to the camera ground? What size quad, what is it? What voltage, 2s, 3s, 4s..etc..?
I took it even farther.. Some would say it's excesive, however, my video is near perfect now. No matter how much throttle. th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Hi man, am having the same issue I'm glad I stumbled upon your video it must have been 3x since your video saved me from going crazy about my issues with my whoop. I'll give this a try, im working on a 2.5 inch 2s toothpick atm m.facebook.com/groups/353056891728440?view=permalink&id=1250302255337228&source=48
Best practice dictates removing the original ground wire when running a low impedance "star" ground point. Otherwise you are creating a ground loop, just thought I'd point that out. A "redundant ground" is another way of saying "ground loop", generally frowned upon.
See here’s my issue when I first arm I have these awful squiggly lines that come in on my feed and my osd is flickering and moving up and down. When I punch the throttle it fixes it sometimes but only when punched throttle and if I play with it I can eventually get perfect image at whatever throttle range including idle. Well I thought I was getting a voltage spike to my vtx or something i installed a 12 volt bec (vtx range is 5 volt-36volt and I was within these parameters before bec) still does it with bec now when I disarm it like it resets and I have to punch it to get good video I’m not sure what’s going on and the squiggly lines are motors speed changed (higher throttle the faster they squiggle)
Sounds like your camera took a hit.. Change out your camera.. Only thing I can think (assuming all the starting stuff) is to see if there's a short. But yeah, camera swap..
@@jaredallen8054 I had this exact same issues with a 5incher and it was the camera.. I took a hit and it started and progressively worsened. Lines during throttling and blinking osd.. I swapped the camera and is perfect again...
@@propsoff I’ve been flying today and it doesn’t do it nearly as bad or as much the past few flights it actually hasn’t done it at all I added another video wire from the fc to vtx but again it occasionally does it camera is next but I’m going. To keep flying until it’s unbearable
Thank you for taking the time to not only explain the problem, but actually teach us more about everything. Great video!
@@crpyrce
My pleasure. I appreciate your encouragement and support.. I try to think of all the different questions people have asked around the given subject.. Enjoy the Breeze...🍻
You know what! this is actually total genius ! I feel like shit not picking up on the fact the ground will being sucked dry! Tearing the decks off all my quads this week end.
I spent quite awhile messing with my video feed. I literally have perfectly clean video now. Here's that video...🍻
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks man , I know this is an older video but it’s just what I needed to hear..
I appreciate your feedback! Honestly, the use of this video and a redundant ground is needed even more as parts seemingly get cheaper and smaller. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Hello Everyone! Thank you for checking out my channel and subscribing. Here is a video of how to run an extra, redundant, backup, etc. ground to fix just about every issues with your FPV video feed. Hope this is helpful to you. Remember!!! Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
This sounds a lot like star-grounding in audio-amp circuits.
The fluctuations of voltage dissipation when it's shared between a single line between components creates noise and extra resistance to the ground. When each amp has a direct ground line to the mains the noise problem is solved.
Lol, before loosing my hearing, I competed in stereo competitions in the 90s. Could bounce a quarter over a foot off the top of my car to some Snoop "Pump"... Haha, good times.
Your right...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@propsoff why there is only need to beef up ground wire and not power wire as well? I thought that those to wires need to be of simular diameter
The ground is the issue because electrons will take the path of least resistance. The ground being lame causes the flow to disrupt the video components and by giving it a solid ground, it allows the flow to be smooth. The biggest issue is the filtration on these boards are not great and the sign wave is of poor quality, thus, improvements to the ground helps clean that up. I've tried to give a couple explanations here, apologies if that makes little sense. It took a year of electronics classes in college to grasp the entire concept, lol.. I have a video that proceeds this one - I'll link it below... I spent about 9 months working things out and the video below is the final result. I wire everything this way, except 1S whoops - they need to be as lite as possible for racing and you get what you get...🤷🏻♂️🤣
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yXU-CGZ-etqefhXC
almost at 6k dam WTG
@@mfrfpv9079
Nearly 6 years on PropsOff...🥵
I appreciate your support...🍻
hi. i have crux3 with new all in one board with 12amp esc and upto 400mw vtx power and the board get really hot when when i connect it to the betaflight. so i decided to turn down the vtx power to 1 or 2, as it was set to 5 when i checked on betaflight. but here is the problem, when i set the vtx power below to 5 like 4 or 3 or 2 or 1, the videos shows on goggle but as soon as i arm the quad, the video signal get lost and if set the vtx power to 5, video signal stays when i arm the quad. what is the problem, is my flight controller become week because of getting too much hot while connecting to the betaflight?
Would need to meter the VTX output per power assignment to determine if the VTX is bad. I had my MultiGP race director meter mine when it was acting strange. If it was pit mode, it should act the same and not favor a specific power output level. Did you try a new VTX?
Great.
If you're powering the cam from the fc 5v, and vtx from vbat, how would you run the redundant ground?
After about a year of messing around with this, I did this video...
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Hi thank you for the video, I’m having an issues with the plugin wire harness from my flight controller to the VTX. I believe that the wires of the harness maybe lose , causing lines and loss of video, yet the vtx will still transmit a signal even with there is no video which leads me to believe that the issue is the the wire harness and not the FC or the VTX . Any help or advice would be appreciate.
Thank you .
Thank you for checking out my channel and subscribing! I appreciate you!
I have had lose or damaged wire harnesses from the flight controller to the vtx too. I replace the harness with a hand built one I make. I get the "SH to Picoblade" kit from Readymaderc..
www.readymaderc.com/products/details/rmrc-ultimate-sh-picoblade-cable-kit?gclid=CjwKCAjwqML6BRAHEiwAdquMnbH3dHewFAlb5xMZm6ysWITGebiPTFehLSUZHs3_MXujY3eK8T9UERoCKPgQAvD_BwE
Here's the link of the kit to make your own harness..
If at all possible, I cut the harness away and direct solder it. However, some builds just don't allow that.. Hope this information is helpful...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Man, after so much time and so many videos… This fixed all my problems. Thanks a lot.
I appreciate your support and feedback. I'm glad your issues got remedied.
Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
what is your problem? i am also facing some issues.Kindly reply me.
Subbed sent test email.saying test or testing so from vtx camera fc tie all to escape ground and that's it that easy I've been told to solder lc Filter no one said this I give.it ago.if still.there then what to try next cheers
Welcome to the PropsOff family...🎉
If your still having noise/osd issues, I took it even farther. This is the way...🍻
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bQx5fPTJcpP6zOlE
watched this a few times.enjoying so much of the bench work vs stick time i never knew ide end up with a bad video feed.will experiment adding additional ground at time and check for improvements ..thank you sir..thank u so much!
This improved lots, however, I took it quite a bit further, lol..
Link to the way I do it now below...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video man nicely done!! 👌 do you think this would help to clean up HD feed for Fatshark Sharkbyte? I am definitely going to try and give you a shoutout! Sent by Md95tsi my brother in the hobby I subbed ya! (Thought I was already?) 👊🔥👍
I wish you and Chris was closer - totally want to rip it up there!
I think it would help. I tried to stress the importance of a quality ground in DC applications. I appreciate any and all support...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@propsoff hopefully one day brother we can all make that happen😁
Hi
after I installed tbs coss fire receiver
The vtx range dropped down
Just when I move the goggles away from the quad no video....lest then 30 cm
I changed the antenna , I set the vtx power to 400
I pressed the vtx button and plugin the battery for 10 sc...no change
I dont know what I do....
This is odd, not heard of this issue. Sounds like a posible short. Make a video of this issue and attach it here. I would be interested to see that. However, do check for things touching that aren't supposed to touch and run continuity checks..
Thank you! I thought combining ground wires would cause a ground loop , but I guess I didn’t understand what that meant. I think by tying these grounds together you’re preventing the ground loop. Fixed my vTx feed completely!
Thank you for checking out my channel and subscribing! I'm certainly glad this helped you out. The redundancy ground is needed to create a path of least resistance and filter out voltage irregularities in the video feed. Cost me nearly $10K to learn that... Lol
hello,is this necessary to wired the fc also? i just skip it but vtx,camera already grounded with extra wire from battery.
I have gps also.
I found it helpful, yes...
I took it even farther here:
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
would you not need to do the same for the power side too? there is only 1 thin vcc cable connecting esc and fc, so all current will need to flow through this too?
The positive side is fine. The ground and positive act differently and the ground has RF/EMF canceling properties...🍻
hello i am also facing issue in my vtx.Its stop sending signal as soon as afterfew second turn on.
yes i had video lost issue when i armed the motor.
Sometime video gradually turned to static and completely lost signal.
any tips?
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
So what say you about an aio flight controller having the video work when plugging in but after the menu splash screen it goes black?
🤔 First I would determine the type of camera - PAL or NTSC.. Then, I would go to Betaflight OSD tabe and reload it. Then, choose the camera (because auto sucks). If I got black screen with OSD, I would replace the camera. If I only got black screen (not snow) I would check my connections and worry the AIO is crappy...
My vtx board will not light up when I plug the battery in the VTX board is brand new how can I fix it
The best way to start the troubleshooting process is to use a meter. Here's how...
th-cam.com/video/nekFQkiDeDw/w-d-xo.html
What if i have aio? It will help if i put a nee ground wire from camera to the main ground?
Are you using a separate VTX or is it built-in?
Great tip, will try this on my 4s 3inch build. Thanks for sharing! 😁
It helped big time on my 5inch racer. Tmotor F55A Pro II to MambaF7 and Swift 2. Had the OSD disappear and video darken a little. Grounded all and perfect.. Thanks for checking out my channel and subscribing...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Please no one has helped me for years I have a micro sparrow cam get it connected on my googles but after say a minute the pictutre starts rolling down the screen and like think lines going from top to bottom
@@RaininCatsnDogs
Your settings in Betaflight OSD tab for PAL/NTSC/AUTO are incorrect compared to the camera itself, possibly.. Wrong channels is also a possibility, I assume you check that...🤔
@@propsoff thank for your suggestions
@@RaininCatsnDogs
Let me know...🍻
Nice tip! I have a question here: if you put a larger wire in the original ground connector between the esc and FC, it would solve the problem, or still need an extra path to ground?
I think adding the second one is the best. It allows the path to ground, come directly to the component in need. I played around more with this concept in another video and was surprised of the finicky behavior displayed by the FPV system. More grounding the better seemed to play out.
@@propsoff thank you very much!
could you tell what that capacitor does? Evens out the current or something?
I made this video just to answer that question. Not everyday I break a great working quad for a video, but I think the outcome was worth it. I hope you agree...🍻
th-cam.com/video/MuKAfgYfRhw/w-d-xo.html
@@propsoff thanks
Hello my vtx channel changes by itself while in flight and the my googles turn into static or snow. Any idea how to solve this?
Are you using the "Auto Scan" feature of your goggles?
@@propsoff I’m not using auto scan I have the vtx channel on my osd and that’s the channel I use, it works for a few seconds and then I get full screen snow/static. It was working for a day before I started to have any issues.
@@pablomoreno1242
After the snow, it changes channels? What channel does it start for and go to? Do you have DVR you can share? This will be hard to figure out without some example...
@@propsoff yea can I email you a short video? Or how can I send you a video
@@pablomoreno1242
Easiest to do is upload an unlisted TH-cam video and copy the link, come back here and paste it..
Holy quad this is like the smallest thing ever ppl may over look !
is it okay to tying all the grounds together?
Yes, all electrons flow to the ground. We are just making the lipo ground the common and applying redundancy...🍻
After many months of free hobby time, this video (see below attached) is my final. I wire all my quads this way that have video noise.. Enjoy the Breeze...🍻
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Soegd_nXDnrShG1J
My crossfire is blowing out my video rolling bars
I've not heard of the TBS Crossfire rolling FPV feed. RCSchim did a video like a year ago about RXloss issues, but not familiar with rolling.
What VTX?
What Receiver in the goggles?
Are they both manually set to the same channel (never use autoscan)?
@@propsoff furious fpv domv3 akkf3 Ill double check on the the channels
@@timmytson1
Make sure to manually set the VTX and then your goggles to the same. I always manually set them, the first time, then check smart audio afterwards.
Very useful❤
I appreciate your feedback...🍻
I am slightly confused by this...I understand your thought process that these power hungry devices in a drone need better flow for electricity, but by only supplying extra ground wont you still be starved on the positive lead?? I have almost no electrical knowledge, could you please explain how extra ground helps with power delivery?
All grounds are common - path of least resistance. We don't want voltage to build in the video component and a proper ground will open the flood gates (voltage/current in these systems are not in short supply) .
Also, grounding properly, will kill RF interference. I have another video after this one, "Best FPV Video Ever", that dives deeper.. I have an Electronics Degree with well over 25 years of field repair. Learning electronics isn't a quick process, therefore, I'm happy to help...🍻
@@propsoff I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I know little to nothing about electrical systems, with my small understanding about electricity it seems like you would also need to add another or larger positive power cable or the "flow" of electricity would still be hindered by the tiny positive esc wire....but maybe there is something I am just not getting. Anything you can say or direct me to to help me understand would be greatly appreciated.....
@dyeballer777
I'm not sure how to explain it in a TH-cam comment more than above. My understanding comes from a college degree with over 20 years of electronic repairs. I wonder if you look up, "things that remove EMF". I'm sure that will start your journey...🍻
Also, check out the final video I made. This is competition of months of testing and I was not able to get my analog video any better beyond this...
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gLWcE6wMEsq1zfkQ
@@propsoff I understand electrical knowledge is hard won, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Even though I don't fully understand how it helps, I took your advice and added another ground wire between my flight controller and my VTX and the difference is quite amazing, I don't understand how your channel is the only one talking about this....thx for your insight!
@@dyeballer777
I'm happy with it because my research has improved so many people's fpv experiences. However, it's somewhat frustrating to still be a very small channel that manufacturers ignore. I just refuse to tout only good things and can't afford to give stuff away.. What can ya do, I appreciate your support and feedback...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
YES YES YES YES YES!!! 1000 X YES!
I added a direct ground from the battery - to the camera - and it's FIXED!!!
After a dozen hours of frustration, my issue was gone in 10 min!
THANK YOU, SIR!!!
I just now seen this. No notification from TH-cam, as usual...🙄
I appreciate your feedback very much! I'm glad it worked for you too..
Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@propsoff you saw my other comment and replied. 😀
@@JoshDisher
With TH-cam it seems hit or miss with comment notifications. It's frustrating but seems to be the nature of the beast..🍻
So how would you recommend adding redundant grounding when powering vtx from the battery and camera from the vtx? Would you ground the flight controller to the battery lead on the 4in1 esc?
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Something like this
So does it matter where i ground it to the FC ?
Not really. The larger the trace, the better..
So can I just ground out all the available grounds on my FC straight to the battery ground lol
@@Chillin-fpv
After a few months of testing, I put out a new video. This is the way I wire most of my quads...
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
thank you
Welcome...🍻
Thanks man, tried this fix and it sorted my issue 👍🏽
Thank you for your feedback. It's a big deal to me to know other people can duplicate successfully what I've done. Awesome to hear. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Thank you for your research and for sharing it.
Welcome.. I appreciate your time and feedback...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Are you recommending this method, over your other method that involves the power distribution board?
This method has basically made every quad I have, clear and crispy...👌🏻
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
sub u bro!
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After those fixes I got weird double lines of FPV-signal in my goggles(
Then you have something touching.
Just bought a few bec's and plan on adding grounds to my nazgul5 v2 6s. Really great videos man! New sub!!
I appreciate your feedback and support.. Oddly enough, I haven't had to do this to either of my Matek flight controllers. I have wired all my others and have clean video, finally! Please, if you would be so kind and come back and tell me how things worked out - I appreciate your feedback...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@propsoff I have noticed a few things in my video I thing will go away. Ill reply with my findings!
So I cannot for the life of me figure out how to achieve this with a high voltage VTX that powers from vbatt.. pretty much no matter how I configure it I get those crisscross checkered patterns. I know I’m doing it wrong somehow.
I had some flannel shirt effect in my feed and it was bothering me. I wanted perfectly clean video - it took a while of testing and playing (about a year).. Here's the outcome....
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
@@propsoff turned out to be a board fault. A 9v pad was barely shorting to ground. Video eventually dropped out completely ha, whoops. Had an old foxeer f722 v2 i swapped in with the same configuration and it came out crystal clear. Like almost digital clear.
@@glitchy8429
It's good to hear its awesome...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Needed this an another video you had badly , they were exactly what I needed to assist me on a rotor riot cl1 build I’m using an f722 basic mamba stack in an having similar issues you had with the “ flannel “ pattern in the video feed I can’t believe I didn’t notice but the one ground between the 4-1 an my FC so really apreaciate this an your other video calling these problems out! I’m subbed 🤙 thank you seriously !!
Awesome to hear it helped.. Welcome to the PropsOff family! Yeah, the last video, "Best Video Ever" has cleared me up to the point, going HD is not super enticing.
I appreciate your feedback and support...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@propsoff no jk I’m so invested in analog at this point going the digital route at this time makes no sense , so my quest for figuring out how I can get the best 5.8ghz video feed possible for all my analog set ups began , then I found these two videos you had an boom 🤯 worked out really well to the point like you say going digital isn’t that enticing at this point lol , thank you for taking the time to post them, really helped me out big time 🤙
hello,what is your problem? i am now facing vtx singal problem.I even want to change new vtx.
kindly reply me.
Oh oh oh!
I've tried EVERYTHING on my nearly new Tinyhawk 3 and this finally gives me hope!
I'm using Fatshark Attitude V6's with rapidfire and a Radiomaster TX12. I have nearly PERFECT video UNTIL I apply throttle! Then it goes totally black until I let off stick... Then it's PERFECT again.
(I'm talking Mr Steele nearly looks digital perfect)
This is getting EXTREMELY frustrating as I have both a BetaFPV 85 HD AND a Nazgul5 just waiting to be flown! (I promised myself I wouldn't even try to fly them until I got used to flying FPV with the TH3)
I have a PERFECT practice spot at work (gymnasium) and I haven't been able to do anything except LOS flying!
I'ma try this and report back!
Do tell of your outcome, never tried a whoop...👍🏻
I'll speak to my friend that has a pile of Tinyhawks...🍻
@@propsoff YES YES YES YES YES!!! 1000 X YES!
I added a direct ground from the battery - to the camera - and it's FIXED!!!
After a dozen hours of frustration, my issue was gone in 10 min!
THANK YOU, SIR!!!
@@propsoff I'm going to make a quick video with pics tonight at work. I've been reading for days now and you are the only one (TH-cam & Reddit) that hit the nail on the head.
Great job with the common sense explanation
Most people seem to think it's a problem with VTX config in betaflight, incompatible antennas or no capacitor.
Looking back it seems insanely obvious what was goin on and I'm kinda ashamed I didn't see it myself.
@@JoshDisher
Heck Yeah! So happy you got it. I appreciate your enthusiasm and feedback...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@JoshDisher
Lol, I took this even farther. My analog feed is comparable to HD720.. Check this video out...🍻
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Thank You
I need to try this out on both my FL1 setups, they have identical issues with noise as soon as I arm and they lines get worse the more throttle I give it, someone else mentioned running another ground from their 4in1 to the FC got rid of their noise issues, which is pretty much what you've done here so I'll give it a try and see if it improves my issues or not.
Thanks for posting this.
Bro u nailed all the vtx problems i had
Thanks so much for this 🙏
Your very welcome...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
@@propsoff bro sometimes im having blackout after 2 to 3 mins of vtx running
@@mohitnaik604
What FC, VTX, Cam?
Can I run a little wire from the 9v pad on my camera to the 9v pad on the vtx? Someone told me that would also help...
This video is to gain a ground directly to the flight controller. I have another video were my experiments took it farther and better..
@@propsoff I saw the video where you installed a power regulator nicely done... However I don't have one it's my speculation that it wouldn't hurt jumping one 9 volt pad to another however I'm inexperienced and a little short for cash I wanted to be sure before I tried I wanted your opinion if you thought I might try it or something I have a really good vtx, but I have it on vcc... I'm going to change it to 9 volt like I had it I just noticed my camera was on vcc last time I should have changed it over to nine volts instead of the VTX to vcc... I'm going to try jumping the ground like you did I just wanted to be sure about the 9-volt before I messed with a hot connection
@@coltonrooster
If your VTX is rated for 2-6s then it is okay to power it from a 9-volt pad from the flight controller.. Normally, this would add some capacitance to it that may help (noise reduction).. Then, connecting your camera to the VTX (output pad) is acceptable. However, if your camera must be capable of receiving 9 volts from your VTX.. There are some cameras and there are some VTXs that can only handle 5 volts in, so, just be careful.. What you cannot do is to put two outputs together - it seems like you're far enough along and understand that.
My preference, I usually like to use the output voltage pad and ground from the VTX for the camera because of better filtration, but a lot of companies are cheaping out and the VTXs on the market anymore seem like garbage..
So run the VTX from the 9v out pad on your flight controller. Also, run the camera from the VTX, if you want. Then, run a ground to the ground of the camera ground as a 3 way intersection. Should be good..
Note!!! I am not there to personally guide you and don't want bad things to happen, so read the manuals..🍻
@@propsoff Thank you so very much for tanking the time... I had wondered if the filtration would be better through the vtx thanks for clearing that up as well. Hopefully I can fix it properly now. It should be pointed out and is worth noting the obvious fix you've accomplished with a redundant ground. Soldering as a welder is relatively easy for me to understand but whenever you take too long or forget a cleaning step or shake a little too much it can be a pain...
@@coltonrooster
You bet! Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
I did just what you said to do cleaned it up a little bit but still lines there an almost like I am in between or close to the Chanel I am on use f1 5740 idk
What parts are you using?
.VTX
.Goggle Module
.PAL or NTSC
.Camera
What if it's only sound? Everything is ok accept sound
What vtx are you using?
Thanks
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Hello bro. I know it’s later comment but I just built my first quad an I can not for the life of me figure out how to get the faint lines out of my throttle up. I am thinking about runing the extra ground like you did. I have camera vtx ground we’re vtx ground is I crossed both pads an still same lines. Not so bad I can’t fly but they are there. Thanks if you can give me some in out ttyl ✌🏻 great video 👍
No comment is too late.. Question, did you run a jumper ground from your lipo ground to the camera ground?
What size quad, what is it?
What voltage, 2s, 3s, 4s..etc..?
I took it even farther.. Some would say it's excesive, however, my video is near perfect now. No matter how much throttle.
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
Hi man, am having the same issue I'm glad I stumbled upon your video it must have been 3x since your video saved me from going crazy about my issues with my whoop. I'll give this a try, im working on a 2.5 inch 2s toothpick atm m.facebook.com/groups/353056891728440?view=permalink&id=1250302255337228&source=48
Best practice dictates removing the original ground wire when running a low impedance "star" ground point. Otherwise you are creating a ground loop, just thought I'd point that out. A "redundant ground" is another way of saying "ground loop", generally frowned upon.
See here’s my issue when I first arm I have these awful squiggly lines that come in on my feed and my osd is flickering and moving up and down. When I punch the throttle it fixes it sometimes but only when punched throttle and if I play with it I can eventually get perfect image at whatever throttle range including idle. Well I thought I was getting a voltage spike to my vtx or something i installed a 12 volt bec (vtx range is 5 volt-36volt and I was within these parameters before bec) still does it with bec now when I disarm it like it resets and I have to punch it to get good video I’m not sure what’s going on and the squiggly lines are motors speed changed (higher throttle the faster they squiggle)
Sounds like your camera took a hit.. Change out your camera.. Only thing I can think (assuming all the starting stuff) is to see if there's a short. But yeah, camera swap..
@@propsoff ok but what about the osd? It’s affected by it too I think it’s my flight controller. But I’ll try swapping my camera system.
@@jaredallen8054
I had this exact same issues with a 5incher and it was the camera.. I took a hit and it started and progressively worsened. Lines during throttling and blinking osd.. I swapped the camera and is perfect again...
@@propsoff I’ve been flying today and it doesn’t do it nearly as bad or as much the past few flights it actually hasn’t done it at all I added another video wire from the fc to vtx but again it occasionally does it camera is next but I’m going. To keep flying until it’s unbearable
@@jaredallen8054
I went farther with the grounding and redundancy in this video, if your interested..
th-cam.com/video/OXOmYrez3rE/w-d-xo.html
cheers, thanks for the video. Thanks for the link razzmanfpv
My pleasure...🍻
And a tip of my hat to the razzman...🍻