How to Fix AOT's Ending...
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One of the best manga to come out of all time had one of the most controversial endings in all of manga history even more controversial than Madara getting stabbed in the back by Black Zetsu. Me & Swagkage both critique and work on how to fix this ending in this video.
Intro: 0:00
Eren deserved it: 0:25
Ymir choosing Mikasa: 7:19
Eren being a "Slave to Freedom" 10:56
Is Ymir Stupid?: 12:44
Armin thanks Eren for Genocide?: 14:24
More character deaths: 16:08
Eren's threat: 19:59
Story should be longer: 22:10
Armin's Peace Method: 24:26
Why are they powerscaling levi???: 27:14
Obito is more diplomatic when he declared war then in AoT declaration of war
Biggest flaw with AoT is the outside world wants to die and Erwin died so nobody to negotiate peace
Erwin should’ve been chosen in no world would he be staring at a crystal for 4 years
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I would say the rumbling was more like a self fulfiling prophecy Because the cycle of a hatred.. I know to messed up many people will point out that Eren was Right Right That The outside world is too bigotted to be reasoned with.
that's the writer's fault not a accurate representation of the 'cycle of hatred'
Not once in history has one race been eradicated by another for the sole reason of there race
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@@StudioReiner Are you talking about the fact that the bigoted usually make "reasons" for their terror beyond the singular fact of race or are you saying the root of said attempts genocidal erasure is not just due to one ignorance. If the latter, I would have to disagree.
No I'm saying for something to represent the cycle of hatred it has to be based on realism
Which AoT lacks as I said it's a extremely dystopian world where characters are racist to be racist
It's a lazy writing excuse for the narrative when other factors like economic/geopolitical hold far more weight
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@@StudioReiner Their racism does have some basis no?
The history of Eldian oppression for one. Revenge towards innocent people for the sins of their ancestors is wrong, but it's not beyond humanity to hold such grudges.
A fear of ones that are different also holds to be a realistic reason for such racism.
It is kind of funny how Isayama tried to write about racism but made the oppressed race be able to turn into man eating monsters.
One of the coolest things when it comes to Eren never being free is when he activates the rumbling he’s surrounded by colossal titans, who have been inside the walls the entire time.
Even at the end he was still trapped behind the walls like the beginning.
Damn that’s crazy
another cool thing is how you're in a room right now.
it's almost like you're trapped behind the walls haha
XD
I will say it’s a fucking miracle that Reiner survived despite him being the only person CONSISTENTLY wanting to die
I think it's poetic how he doesn't die though it's well written And I think Reiner surviving was good
@@HadeTheReal oh I 100% agree. I think there’s an extremely positive message in the fact that he did live in the end!
Reiner has insane amount of plot armour. Isayama really want Reiner to stay alive even though we didn't ask for it.
Tell swagkage to upload a new video we're starving bruh 😭
He wants to support his friend so I respect it. And he probably not hurting for money bc whenever he uploads a video it’s gonna be a banger. so let’s just appreciate him collabing with six bc he could not put out any content at all.
@@diqueze fair
@@matthewlarios.elite playmaking from sewage kage
*swagkage*
Damn its been 4 months😂crazy
"Sometimes it good sometimes it ain't". Basically the reaction I got.
I'm a LITTLE lost on the ymir is stupid part because I'm trying to understand what yall are saying because even when Ymir gotten the founder the paths didn't exist so she couldn't have known anything about the future. The paths didn't start until her daughters consumed her corpse. But even then Ymir was still mentally a slave to Fritz because of her strange love to him. She wasn't mentally there whatsoever until Eren awoken her.
Yeah she literally didn’t have any power at all basically till eren came along.
I saw ymir love to king fritz as stockholm syndrome that's why she could never kill fritz
@@big3fanboy19 if Isayama wanted potray it as stockholm syndrom then he should have had to flesh out King Fritz more like show him being nice to Ymir and then it would be understandable why she had fallen for him but no we don't get that. Fritz is just depicted as a tyrant abusive ruler who enslaved Ymir and her village, cut out her tongue, having his men hunt her down like a wild animal, raped her and forced her daughters to canabilize her to inherit and pass down the power of the titans.
@@TheComfyCouch310 king fritz after witnessing ymir power elevated her as a queen freeing her from slavery. Giving her children ymir love so much but for me it's makes the most sense as to why she doesn't want to kill him she was the most powerful person there. To me it's clear she had a twisted love about fritz even after all that shit happen to her.
@@big3fanboy19 But if she was waiting for Mikasa all this time to free her from her sick twisted love for King then why does she listen to Zeke at all in the paths and follow his order to euthanize all Eldians? Was she the Great Pretender?
If Eren didn't embrace Ymir and told her that she can make her own choices and didn't lend him the power to launch the rumbling then where does Mikasa kissing Eren's decapitated head and her quote on quote letting go of her love for Eren comes into the picture as an example for Ymir to do the same?
I dont think anyone who paid attention to the story has any problem with Eren being emotional. When Eren cried over Ramsi, not a single person batted an eye because of the fact that that makes sense. But when he cries over Mikasa, it just feels so out of left field because he's never ever expressed feelings for Mikasa like this, not when he was about to be sacrificed to Historia, nor when Hannes died and he was depressed.
I agree. I think it'd very unrealistic for Eren to never express any emotion, especially with everything he's silently suffered through. I'd expect him to cry harder if anything lol
There’s plenty of instances where eren cares for mikasa (s1-s3) Ofc he’s an asshole but he even said it himself to armin “don’t tell her about this” when he was crying his ass off. It’s just him unleashing all the feelings he’s had to bottle up to protect her
That's because Eren knew with certainty he would die and Armin is the only person who would see him crying like that over Mikasa.
Eren expressing himself like that in the Hannes scene would be assassination of his tenacious character.
@@agamr7151 I demonstrated why your idea of Eren doing that in Hannes scene would be. You haven't for the Armin scene. You just saying it's character assassination because you say so.
He surpressed his emotions. It make sense for him to break down. Fits his character
I think the reason that it doesn't go as far when it comes to knocking Eren down a peg is because Isayama wants us to still feel some sympathy for Eren. Even though he's still the bad guy, and shouldn't be forgiven, he was still a victim of the curcumstances of the world he lived in. In another world, Eren might have gotten to be a normal kid. Like Historia says in the end, what happened wasn't just the result of Eren's actions, but everyone's actions.
And that's why I think the stuff with Armin and Mikasa works. They don't forgive him for what he did at all, but they still show him compassion. Armin offers to take on the burden of Eren's sins alongside him, and Mikasa wants to give him a quiet place to rest after death.
Yeah isayama failed to end it well. I would have preferred him kill the majority of the cast honestly.
@@Jonathan-tw4xm not most of them. It would just be unimpactfull to have so many important characters die like that.
First of all, Mikasa shouldn't die because the only miment she can die is after killing Eren and it would be very anticlimactic.
Can't kill Reiner because he wants to die so he should live.
Can't kill Levi (I will not elaborate further)
Can't kill the kids, because Falco is too important and Gabi is important to show what Eren could've been (can't do that if she dies)
Can't kill Armin because he needs to clean eren's mess
That leaves Pieck, jean Annie and Connie. I personally think Annie should've died so that Reiner's squad is done for. Jean can die, no major consequences if he dies. Pieck too.
But I like Connie too much, can't kill my boi.
@kenz3612 aot was never going to have a happy or satisfying ending. The ending was going to have alot of futility like eldia falling and marley winning in the end.
How Eren is the "bad guy" If the narrative gave him NO choice to end the Titan curse beside the rumbling?
Sorry but i dont blame the character when the author never offered another way in the first place.
Isayama even made his way to show Eren wanting for 4 years with no one acomplishing anything
On this narrative Eren is more of a anti hero and the only one who have guts to end the curse.
Chapter 122 (when he freed Yrmir) is my favorite.
And chapter 123 its when this story ends for me. The rest is garbage.
Yeah Mikasa being the choosen one IS bs. She is a Mary sue with no porpouse beside selling merch like body pillows.
@lain5858 this basically sums up why the ending is so bad.
For the first 3 straight seasons isayama gives hope for a better future for the people in the walls.
Then gets eren to destroy everything outside the walls. Something eren wouldn't do because everything he was was a freedom fighter and hero for others not a villian.
Isayama also stated he wanted to hurt his readers so the ending was always going to fail.
The animation and sound production goes burr and most people don't realise this ending is whack and he is praised as the best but we all know the ending was kinda whack.
Eren is a better man for "stopping" at 80%...me personally I would've gone the whole 100%
The 100% includes his friends and paradis 💀
I agree. Rumbling the entire world except Paradis and wipe out his useless friends too
He means 100% of people outside the walls, so not including Paradis. But still, I think people are misinterpreting how much control Eren has over the future@@gabrielaragon9562
Would you try to be diplomatic with a world that was currently trying to exterminate your island when the rumbling started
Gotta disagree with armin dying like that.That would just make shit hit the fan for all the characters.
Didn’t Eren say he tried other options and this one was the only one where most of them survived
He said that he kept finding unsatisfying results, if I recall correctly. He also admitted that he wanted the Rumbling to happen.
Yhe series says it but doesn't show it. We assume every version he's seen ends at his death. Which based on the ability to see past and present means that every version he saw ended the titans in this world so Eren could not conceptualize a path that didn't end that way or have him as the founding Titan. We see that events can be changed as Eren consistently influnces the past to lead to his acquiring the titan.
Never seen eren as evil, just indifferent
Isayama did tell us how to achieve world peace, through Armin, I think you just missed it.
It's that, if we all just sit down at a table and talk, we can understand each other. And we ultimately just need to have faith that we won't be blown up on the way to the peace talk. That's exactly what Armin does in the end.
AoT really hammers home the idea that ignorance, and acting in ignorance, is the root of most of the evils in the world. Failure to see things from another's perspective. And that that's why we need to widen our perspectives- as our, the viewer's perspective, was in season 3 that we wanted Eren to kill all the bad guys across the sea at the end of season 3, but then was massively widened when we spent time with the Warrior unit and candidates during the Marley arc.
Armins last dialogue in the series is him saying 'lets tell the world everything' . They didnt show his attempt at peaceful negotiations with the world, The world view on Paradis after the Rumbling, did they achieve peace? No all that was left up to interpertation. The fact that Paradis gets bombed years down the line proves that whatever peace Armins generation had was temporary. The Island is doomed their future generations are screwed because of their decisions that destroyed them
No. He doesn’t tell us that at all. They negotiate peace, and the island still gets obliterated a few generations later. The peace they had was a façade and the overall message was ruined because of it
They bought peace that was long enough for Eren's friends to grow old and die.
Given that the tree didn't even seem to grow an inch during that entire time period (50+ years presumably), but then started growing rapidly after that to skip to the war period, we can infer that at least a few thousand years must had passed before then.
I don't think human nature can be changed. I think it would be wrong if anyone ever said they had an answer to world peace that would overwrite human nature. Conflict will inevitably crop up again and again over large enough periods of time, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to minimise it.
Armin bought peace for his time period, and well beyond it, but the show wasn't unrealistic enough to pretend it would last forever. That's the realistic and gritty AoT that i can appreciate.
@@Watermelon_Man the message wasnt ruined. the whole point of the rumbling was to make it an even field for paradis. also its obvious that war started well after armins time
@@felix_patriotYou have the correct answer and it pisses me off that a lot of people are too dumb to come to these conclusions
We need more content like this. The Swag and Six Podcast, let 'em cook, please!
Six, you literally defended naruto characters not making the most optimal decisons all the times like how obito ran the akatsuki but wont apply that same defence to eren?
Except that Eren knew the future. 💀 Obito thought that the world was really f*cked so the dream world was the only option.
@@mrstealcar4702Obito is stupid.
25:45 it’s a great parallel to season 1 where armin defended eren from the military police.
Light: died begging and crying on the ground like a little bitch
Eren: also cried on the ground but still got off easy
now imagine what's gonna happen to Griffith when we get there
Atleast Light made actual sense. Eren doesn't
Eren is the only one here that makes sense. He dont Care about:
"Muh kingdom"
"MuH be a god"
He IS the only one who had the guts to end the Titan curse.
People who blames Eren always forget that there is no other choice to end the curse beside the rumbling.
Eren should have do the full rumbling, the only logical solution
Six tell that mf swag to drop that damn 3hr game of thrones ending vid I don't wanna have to wait 8 more months for him to drop some kind of content
W video also swag being here was a welcome surprise lol
Paths only was created once she died and it could of been 1 second between her death amd eren's death in her prespective
Zeke says in paths "it'svlike an eternity or a moment have passed"
Swag and Six doing a story analysis on AoT, a generational impactful show. They have to cook on this one. 🔥🔥
They unfortunately didn’t but there’s a channel called serenity that’s basically based on analysing the end of aot and the dude brings up quotes and evidence to back up his claims for y the end doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially the mikasa ass pull retcon that ruined Yimirs character, also Stockholm syndrome isn’t a proven thing that happens it’s basically pseudo science so the ending got ruined and over something that isn’t even actually acknowledged in reality it’s sad really
@@tristantorres3558 couldn't agree more
@@tristantorres3558I hate serenity he is like a girlfriend who cant handle the fact she got dumped and just cant let it go.
1) Eren Deserved It: What does Eren getting knocked down a peg or being framed in a negative light have anything to do with his character (not) being assassinated? He's our main protagonist who had one of the most well written developments in media and is literally forced into a situation where he has to choose genocide one way or the other. Either he allows him and his people to die or kills off the rest of the world. That is who Eren was before his (seemingly) out of nowhere retcon because we never see any actions that suggest otherwise and even his own inner monologues propose him to be sticking by this mature version of himself (which has been built up throughout the entire series mind you).
At no point did he express romantic feelings for Mikasa.
He was always framed as the symbol of freedom yet we find out that he is (seemingly) out of nowhere just another slave to the will of Ymir.
I highly doubt people would have cared if he lost to the rest of the world or if he succeeded only to have been shamed for his actions, but his motives were understandable. War was coming closer with each passing day and no one could find a solution to quell a 2000+ year long feud.
The examples you gave with Light and Walter makes sense for their characters because it fit what they were going through in that specific scenario at those specific times. They had met rock bottom immediately after being at the precipice of their goals, after growing cocky, after being corrupted by their power. Eren already had these moments on multiple occasions such as when he found out how weak he truly was when going against the titans for the first time and losing, when Hannes died before his very eyes after trying to save him and Mikasa the way he wanted the man to save his mother, when he found out that he wasn't special after uncovering the memories of his father and learned the truth of his origins, when he figured out he couldn't change the future and proceeded with the Rumbling to save everyone he knows and cares for on Paradis. So, when he is reaching the apex of ambitions and is thwarted, it seems out of character that the one who has been fighting the entire series just suddenly gives up and accepts his fate as a slave to someone else.
2) Ymir Choosing Mikasa: The comparison between these two makes absolutely no sense when you go with the simple question of, "Was Mikasa seriously the ONLY woman to love a bad man and leave or kill said bad man while still in love with him over the 2000+ years she has been searching? Like seriously? There was no one else within that time frame that could have shortened this convoluted scheme of yours?", but I'll go a bit further into this segment by stating in no way should Eren Yeager be compared to King Fritz.
We're talking about a man who was willing to throw away his own morality to save his people by wiping out the rest of humanity, would hunt down and kill two grown men by himself as a child to save a girl he never knew because he just couldn't stand the thought of her freedom being taken away if he could do something about it, and would sacrifice his very being to give humanity an advantage against what he initially thought were the enemies; you are seriously going to compare Eren Yeager to a guy who forced innocent people into slavery after cutting their tongues out, maimed and killed anyone he wanted out of sheer boredom or pleasure, and would force his own children to eat their mother as a way to maintain his power. These two are not the same. Mikasa has a reason to like Eren even though he can be mean to her, we see why she views him with rose tinted glasses. Ymir loving King Fritz seems genuinely impossible unless Isayama would have fleshed King Fritz out more to show why Ymir would fall for someone like him, otherwise her "parallels" with Mikasa are virtually nonexistent.
And to continue with parallels, Ymir had more in common with Historia, which was not only heavily illustrated through direct statements, symbolism, and developments but through songs and drawing as well. Historia, like Eren rejected the world that caged her, the love that bound her, and eventually obtained freedom. She craved the love of her mother and father, lived by the whims of her family, but not once did she ever truly agree with them. Even when her comrades were trying to make her queen she rejected being tied down by even their desires unless it was something she did for herself. Historia was always living as a slave the same way as Ymir, but unlike Ymir, she broke free of her shackles as not just a random person (referring to Mikasa), but Ymir's own flesh and blood. The correlations between them were already masterfully crafted.
3) Eren Being a "Slave to Freedom": I get the gist of this as a concept but the execution of it is just too confusing to take it one way or the other. You can say that Eren is just obsessed with idea of freedom, or can take as what it is, or even look at how it was initially viewed, but the way it is stated so vaguely is too confusing to try and convince such a large audience that it means exactly how you viewed it. Eren never clarifies on how he meant it to sound. I for one thought he meant he became a slave to his responsibilities to save himself and his people from the hatred of the rest of the world. I've heard some think he means his entire life was orchestrated by Ymir to just be a puppet of her own wishes and dreams, hence why he is the symbol of freedom, which is just a fancy way of calling him a slave to freedom. Others claim he meant the idea of it as you stated. It is truly to little detail in those few words to say one way or the other on this matter. In any case, whatever way he meant it, it doesn't make sense to say he was a slave to a concept when he is quite literally being limited by the machinations of the rest of the world. They have kept him and his people locked away in walls surrounded by monsters that want to kill them and even more people that want to hurt them. Everyone on Paradise is a slave to the rest of the world and Eren seeks to garner his and their freedom by any means. Freedom from being caged behind walls, freedom from fear of the titans that surround them, freedom from death at the hands of the world.
4) Armin Thanks Eren for Genocide: I wouldn't categorize AoT as just an anti-war series (in fact I wouldn't categorize it as an anti-war series at all). One of its ending themes is about the cycle of hatred and how war always repeats itself, how nothing changes and we continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, and will continue to do so. I would call that nihilism rather than spreading a message on how bad war is yet there still being hope to end such conflict. Isayama had a great way of portraying this (even if it is a rather dark take on it) by having Eren succeed in wiping out the rest of humanity. Sure there would still be conflict in Paradis, but with Historia as queen and Eren viewed as a war hero, the two (with the help of their friends) could have effectively killed off war entirely for their people. Eren would have broken the cycle of hatred and achieved the closest thing to peace by giving a definitive answer on how he made such a thing possible (unlike Naruto and Armin) by wiping out the other side of that hatred rather than just stating that it was acquired over the time frame we didn't see it happen.
5) More Character Deaths: I agree that every member of the Alliance surviving was a horrible decision, but what does that have to do with "punishing" Eren. Him being the result of their deaths was/would have been even more enticing for his character, no doubt about it; in fact, that was something he was going through since he joined the military. He wanted his comrades to entrust their lives to him as a way to see their common goal through to the end. Hannes, Erwin, Sasha, hell even his own father; Eren is no stranger in having people die for him or because of him. He has been "punished" like this already several times. It would have been heart-wrenching to watch him kill off Jean, Connie, and Levi (sadly we were faked out by all of these amazing exits for their characters), but once again it would have been understandable. Him and his peoples lives are on the line and the Alliance has essentially made their decision in allowing Paradise to be wiped our rather than the rest of the world.
Another thing, while you aren't defending the rest of the world for essentially doing the same thing (not all of them are on board with genocide, I know, but a majority of them are going through with it anyways), you also aren't acknowledging that tidbit. You make it seem like Eren is attacking them instead of the other way around. They have been attacking Paradise for years and declared war, Eren (still while it isn't right) is responding in kind.
6) Eren's Threat: Admittedly, that might have worked, I'm not too sure since Isayama just brushes over a lot of possible solutions. Though the same could be said for the opposite result. It has been stated that the rest of the world is growing rapidly in technology and soon titans won't even be a threat. This would have potentially allowed Paradise several years of peace to continue thinking up solutions, but they could still be wiped out as we see in the ending later down in the future. Eren wants to be assured that he and his people are free, completely wiping out the enemy is the surest way to accomplish that.
He and Gabi are perfect representations of what happens when hatred and violence are brought into the world and are left unchecked. If he was going to do this and make sure his people weren't put in such a such a situation again, he was going to have to end that cycle by completely wiping out his enemies so no one could rise up to continue said cycle and seek revenge.
I agree with what you are saying here. I feel like Six and swag try to compare him to the likes of light and walter when those characters are primarily self motivated/interested characters. Hell Light's goal became to be the god of the new world while Eren's while still selfish as to annihilate 80 percent of the world it would ensure his own people's safety. Which the alternative is mot guaranteed whatsoever. Obviously genocide is not good, but in the context of the narrative and also the added context of him being a "slave to Ymir's" will, I can't really say he is the literal scum of the earth if he was predestined to get into a situation he can't control.
I agree completely, their entire "Eren deserved it" narrative it's one of the worst takes on the AoT ending I have ever heard.
They just shift all of the blame to Eren as if he somehow enjoyed the Rumbling and was just doing it out of sheer malice. When he literally searched every possibility and all of them would end in his people getting wiped out. To the point that when Eren started the Rumbling, minutes earlier The Global Alliance had sent their air force to "take him down and avenge Liberio" (which ironically they brought on themselves by declaring war to exterminate every Eldian on the Island.) But we know they wouldn't stop at that, they would bomb Paradis to oblivion, kill everyone in there and not feel the slightest ounce of guilt, that was their own version of the Rumbling, except with airships and bombs instead of Titans, and that's literally what happened in the end after the additional pages were added to the final volume of the manga. It was obvious Eren had no other choice, but it feels these guys have been reading a completely different manga than everyone else.
Nah, yall is wrong about that. The ending IS bad and the ideas put forth by yall to fix it only demonstrates how fucked up the execution of the finale is. His friends not dying was a mistake, for sure. But Armin and Jean should've lived after the Rambling was stop. The rest should've been slaughtered, period. Make Levi die for Misaka and the others. While Misaka throws her life away killing Eren. And speaking of Eren himself, he's not really the big villain. Just a hero turn dark to accomplish a long running goal, while preventing a slaughter of his people at the same time. Whether or not most of humanity was crushed, Eren had the right reasons to teach the world a harsh and painful lesson. The same world that wanted war with the small island anyway. So Eren launched a preemptive strike before his enemies could. In fact, more of Eren's thoughts and feelings should've been shown and/or revealed to the audience. To get a better understanding of how he's dealing with different things.
It’s also hilarious that these two try to justify Eren’s jarring breakdown by bringing up Light, even though both their characters and backgrounds are much different from each other. Eren never fancied himself as the suave narcissist that Light was. He was a headstrong, battle hardened soldier from a young age with stacked up trauma. He’s a lot more sympathetic than a guy like Light.
Even more embarrassing is their implication that Eren fans only like to view him as some narcissistic “sigma” like Andrew Tate or Patrick Bateman, as if that totally justifies his OOC humiliation from Isayama lol. That’s just wrong and has nothing to do with Eren’s established characterization, as shown in chapters like 122, 130, and 131 to name a few. Isayama still could’ve knocked Eren down a peg by having him “lose” one way or another while still respecting his tragic character arc (much like how Walter White was handled for example), but he instead chose to write that infamous “I don’t want that” scene like it was some sort of GOTCHA! moment without a hint of buildup. Just like the abomination that was Ymir’s character.
Six AOT vid…alongside Swag…interesting👍
... Yea sure, give us that 3 Hour Game of Thrones video.
SO the thing about Eren is... no, there's nothing to say. A friend of mines loved his early character, his motivation to kill all Titans that when that wasn't the case anymore and the monster he's become for his "Freedom"... yea. Like being responsible for his own mother's death just so he could achieve his master plan. Like... WTF.
Swag already won me over in the first 1 minute 😭 dropping straight facts
Cool vid bro.😺
That dark souls ost, had to turn it up ❤
Solid video, and yes i want that GOT video. I agree with the kill character take. Levi should have died and Mikasa taking his place. Connie and Jean should have as well when they accepted their fate. Don't know about Armin though, I would rather he lived, we get the peace treaty or see how that went an he proved himself to surpass Erwin (but if he dies he dies) The only real issue I had is that the story sped up super fast once the rumbling started. And then when the crew were running through the past shifter gauntlet, it felt a little contrived at certain points (It felt like some avengers shit lol) We def needed more chapters
As for Eren, I wish we got to see more of his emotions (more chapters again) and how he felt about Mikasa (The outburst was weird because he never showed romantic feelings for her through the series. The only thing off the top my head was the "What am I to you?" Which wasn't enough for me.)
And then the time travel stuff is kinda hard to talk about since it's left ambiguous. We are saying all the stuff Eren could have done but we don't know what he saw, maybe he tried to send the rumbling to stop them like you said and it didn't work out and that's why he didn't do it (But at the same time Eren said himself that he was a dumbass so who knows lol) So I wish we knew more
Nice vid
I loved the ending but I thought this was a good discussion. I especially believe in the ending being longer. More time gives it more chances to explore/ explain what’s necessary or just clarify some stuff. Some points I don’t agree with but there’s no need to nitpick everything when the discussion was balanced enough.
An alternative ending should just be an extended version of the finale.
Need y'all to do that GoT ending vid. Would be interesting to hear y'all's take on it
I'm locked in for this especially since I hate the ending, but all the anime content creators been helping me like it more and more. I'm this video will contribute to that 🗣️🔥
14:45 Isayama said the anime is the ideal version of the story. So he knew “alright nobody liked that take that shit out Mappa” 💀
Also Eren's threat section. Doesn't make sense at all 100% because it was already established the power of the titans is becoming a joke as artillery advances in the beginning of season 4 hence in the future we start to see nukes, missiles, and overall just modern military. The colossal titans was going to quickly get taken out if Eren would've tried to delay the rumbling or have them just being on standby.
No it wouldve worked just because the Middle Eastern army when fighting Marley at Fort Slava sucessfully displayed that the power of titans is slowly becoming obslete by shooting The Armored and Jaw Titan with Anti titan weaponry dosent mean that the same would,ve happened if Eren was on standby with the threat of the Rumbling. Anti Titan weaponry or not there isnt anything they can do to stop millions of Colossals at that point in time. Eren had to start the rumbling now because years down the line the World would've devloped more Anti Titan weaponry than what they had and the Rumbling wouldn't have worked. Thats also partially the reason why the 50 year plan also didnt happen
@@lethalgaming7464 thats what I said...
A joke is a stretch it's like saying infantry is a joke . They would definitely become less useful as time went on but not a complete joke .a single shifter would be a joke but the founders ability to mass produced titans and see the future is kinda busted . They could make a disease then make all eldiens immune to it . They could also just make super soldiers .
The Ackermans have an "awakened power" displayed by some members of the clan. Levi Ackerman describes it as knowing exactly what needs to be done,[17] and it lets the Ackermans exhibit physical abilities much, much higher than the average human. Eren Yeager learns from Zeke that this is because they were the result of the old Eldian Empire experimenting with the Subjects of Ymir. They can manifest the power of the Titans as humans, without becoming a Titan or inheriting any of the Nine Titans. When awakened, the Ackerman in question gains the combined battle experience from every single Ackerman before them via paths.[3]
@@codbeast914is it as much of a stretch when the entire island is dwarfed by even one of these nations? Not to even bring up that the entire world hates them and it was shown that other nations willing to team up with the Marlyians so any advantage they lose is probably magnified by the fact that they are at a disadvantage in almost every other aspect of war.
They are like a 1:1 representation of if North Korea nuclear arsenal could be safely and completely countered. Imagine all their warheads can’t hit any ally nations and they had to rely on a small, less technologically equipped force but no China to get help from and a bloodlusted cabal of Western nations. Thats basically Eldia situation 😂
@@Astrothunder_ yes because being able to see the future and make super soldiers is never useless in a war. Mikasa and levi were constantly stronger and faster than everyone in the show by a large margin because of experiments done with the founding titans power or yimir's power . Imagine if the entire island was upgraded to Mikasa or Levi level combat wise . The increased durability and perception would give any Akerman a huge benefit in a dog fight .
I had the same thought about him pulling up and stopping just short and threatening the world that they had 7 or so years (however long he had left) to figure out how to stop him.
SWAG! I MISSED YOU!
I want to see a game of thrones video on swags channel with the two of you
I’m very interested in y’all talking about the got ending
PLEASE A GAME OF THRONES ENDING TALK WOULD BE SO GOOD.
A six and swag video on AOT…My life is complete
Please do the game of thrones ending video. I would love to see how you'd fix it
I want to see Hajime Isayama's original ending for Attack on Titan.
I’d love to see the convos of eren and the rest of the scouts in the paths not just armins. Cuz I already know Levi beat him the FUCK up in there 💀
Wanna hear about this almost perfect wendies order? Igh so I start with the bacon fries, but they never put enough cheese so then you order the chili and dump it on that. Then usually I would get 15 bourbon bacon burgers so by the time I walk out my knees are wobbling but they removed it from the mfing menu bro
I would EAT up a 3 hour GoT video
Ok after watching this vid I don’t think you understand what makes the ending particularly bad😭
Swag needs to do the GoT video
I would love to see a game of thrones video whether it’s about the ending or the story in general
I hate how annie didn't suffer
Bert died
Reiner suffered mentally
But annie , connie laughs and everything is fine
The way they treat her like she's one of them is just stupid
Yeah there's a bigger threat i am not saying they should kill her
But they shouldn't be friendly and happy with her considering her actions in s1
Also i don't think she showed any remorse either except for marco
Correct me if i am wrong tho
Eren kruger shouldn't help the main cast considering he killed a lot of his race to reach to his position and give the attack titan to grisha
He killed and watched so many die just to complete his mission
He should side with eren not the main cast
This doesn't make any sense
I’m not understanding how we came on the analysis that Eren is a bad person. He did what he did because there was no other alternative unless you don’t understand how the attack Titans power works. He made sure to sacrifice himself in the best possible way he could. I knew light was going to be brought up after that original analysis, and it is just looking for similarities where they are not. It’s hard to keep watching after the first couple minutes make so little sense. Erens character was not assassinated but the surface level analysis in this take is so sad and that the series wasn’t really paid attention to. Like the 80% of the world part doesn’t make any sense. The Eldian population was at risk of extermination simply because the rest of the world’s population. He did not want them to be genocided so he fought the oppressive world he was in. Yes for a random person to kill 80% of the world is wrong, but eren was not a neutral observer. You would all have Eren viewed as a snivieling little baby, instead of the hero that they felt he was for helping break the Eldian curse along side Mikasa. He explains everything to Armin. Mikasa being the one chosen by Ymir was heavily hinted at throughout. This was really lack luster compared to the JJK stuff. Stayed to make this comment but man this felt unwatchable.
This. This story in the beginning was bent on showing there are no bad people. Just people, and perspectives. People fulfilling their roles or breaking their roles. Eren is juts a Character that didn’t break his role. He chased freedom. Where others breaks their roles. I think it’s weird to call eren bad. He’s not like light where his evilness and lack of empathy is a core part of his character. Eren suffered while living, death was his freedom. Light suffered the karma of his actions and greed in the end.
couldent have said it better💯
The ending was bad. There’s a difference between knocking Eren down and contradicting his character and motivations. It’s a literal contradiction of past statements and themes
And the fact that that really isn't even addressed in this video to me is kinda disappointing. They use the same argument that we've been hearing since chapter 131 "You're just mad cuz Eren's crying" like no? That was never the issue.
@@hightetrisbeatboxrevived1648 yeah this is a nothing video lol
not saying i disagree with you but could you elaborate on the contradiction of past statements and themes, what does the ending contradict?
13:43
Wait they literally do
They show King Fritz with a spear through him and Ymir embracing her children
Cool, when are we leaving to get a Big Mac tho?
I'd be down to hear your thoughts on Game of Thrones ending
3 hour video? Yes.
I really want to make a video on this topic. I honestly think the Rumbling was the best bet for Paradis's survival. Even if he threatened the world with the Rumbling, Marely and the outside world would eventually develop technology to beat back the Rumbling. I want to say much more, but that would take ages to type out.
The jjk ost for sixes videos are so good 👍👍👍
I’m telling you Game of Thrones video would go crazy !
THIS IS WHY I LOVE TO WATCH SWAG AN SIX!!
The answer to the question to why they didint get shot right after the rumbling could be from shock from all the colossal titans destruction.
Great video. Though I think a lot of people have a problem with the “threat” solution due to the fact that it is pretty much only a temporary solution. What would happen if/once Eren dies? Plus, I don’t think the outside world would lie down and accept the terms. Somewhere down the line, either through technological advances or an assassination plot, they would be able to overcome the threat. I think Isayama wanted to convey that war is inevitable in the AOT universe, and Eren knew this as a fact. The point is that there is supposed to be no real solution in AOT as diplomacy too fails in the very end. There will always be people who will ruin it for the rest. The rumbling was the only way to stop that. And even if it did succeed, I think there would still be some people in Paradis (in the future) who will kill and plunder regardless.
Niiiiiice!
Made it here early W
Swag was spitting....literally.
lmfaooo
Didn’t mention how Eren is as still using founding titan powers after the slime thing left his body.
Gogo vs accelerator?
Congrats on your first 1M view video, it's the Naruto's taijutsu one.
12:44 And this is where the biggest Plot Hole in this entire mess of a Story is. If Ymir had all this foresight and all this knowledge of what would happen, why didn't she try to do anything else other than just be used, and let all of her descendants be used, killed and used in a vicious cycle until somehow she gets convinced by her future descendant to kill everyone with the Rumbling only to then side with Mikasa after Eren is a door stopper. Ymir really feels like a plot device with no agency of her own.
Yo if y’all are gonna discuss the GoT ending hmu g. I am a GOT nerd who’s watched the show a dozen times and I’ve read all the books at least once. If neither of you have read the books I can provide some good insight for why things went wrong
I fw the ending crazy to think that part of me agrees wit eren to wipe out everything. When it is wrong who r we to take life. I like how eren went from someone with a dream as a kid n then as that dream grew and learned the sacrifices that would be made n the suffering he would have to endure everything changed. I can’t get enough of stories that let the good times become memories as it all falls down.
Ngl when Swag made that joke about leaving youtube, my heart stopped
would love the game of thrones ending video
Ya know I’m not trying to defend Erin or disagree with your stance on why he didn’t try anything else. But didn’t he get all the memories of all the different outcomes he tried or like his future version tried and they all ended the same way…(unless I completely missed that part) so like what would the character really do differently?
Interested in the game of thrones video!!!!
Personally I think a game of thrones video would be cool it’s been forever since I watched anything related to it and I dropped it during the start of the last season
Yeah lets get that GOT vid
I would be interested in a GoT ending discussion.
@sixfromtokyo Humiliation is not really important, But humility And being humbled is important. Understanding the character but Not approving of his actions and explain How he could have done better Is more important.. The question is what could of have Eren Done To Protect Paradis without Feeling he has to wipe out the outside Bigottefld world That one of his country destroyed?
Six What would you be done in Eren's Position. Considering that the world wants to wipe out Paradis We have Is to avoid being self righteous.
solid video the only thing is you guys talk about eren as if his choices weren't set in stone and predetermined. you say it like he was presented with many other options besides the rumbling when in reality he wasn't.Besides Armins plan which would have led to paradis dying without a chance due to time. I think the whole point was neither side was evil hence eren saying he is just like reiner, evil would be a stretch considering it is a time of war either the eldians would suffer to the hands of genocide or the marlyians would. considering it was the whole world vs paradis at the point what what other option did eren have considering the rumbling didnt start until marley attacked paradis it is the horrors of war no winners on either side like i said evil is a stretch when you add context. Other than that agree with a lot of what you two say
More aot vids soon ⁉️ ill be there no matter what(favorite anime btw)
3 hours GAME of Thrones PLEASEEEEE
swag stays jumping on vids and streams but hasnt uploaded in 4 months smh
Yes, GoT ending video plz🙏
The goat series
A collab of Six & Swag without any mention of Madara? Say it isn’t so 😅
Regarding the last part of the ending where the war starts and then the kid walks up to the three, that is meant to symbolise the fact that the human race can never live jn peace and no matter what happens war will always exist. So the whole thing is like a never ending cycle hence the kid and the tree where the story began. I think it's more like a symbolism thing rather than the story happening again.
On the bit about Ymir not changing the future, AoT’s future is unchangeable. It isn’t explicitly stated but when Eren learns Sasha died, the reason he makes the face he makes is because he learns the future he saw is set in stone.
I love how they just start powerscaling Levi for no reason
Yea most def make that GOT vid😂💯💯
Never really liked the series but gotta watch to support my boy six.
More character death? Ik y’all love JJK
Ayo bro changed the title of the video
Plz for the love of god make that game of thrones video
16:51 Levi was punished more then eren ever did. So I definitely agree that he should be punished more
That line not meant to be sarcasm in the manga
Daaaaamn no historia mention wtf
Toji should just win (based on his speed scaling)
8th gate guy vs gojo