the first time I realized that it wasn't all fun and games was when I got a highkick to the eye and my vision went away for just a second. All good, no lasting damage (I guess), but the impact was huge in that moment
@@athosdalvarek918 I mean you see this in other sports too I got my nose broken in Taekwondo, they still allow full contact head kicks. Funny enough the most injuries I ever got were training not in tournaments.
Yeah until you have had facial trauma to the point of a broken nose (or other facial structures) it's kinda difficult for most people to fully understand that.
It's so annoying hearing casuals and wrestling fans saying boxing is "rigged" and decided! It's a brutal sport and every year people die partaking in it! If anyone thinks it's easy just try doing it full time for a living!
Very well put... as someone said, "boxing's not a game like other sports; people play tennis, baseball and even football, but no one "plays" boxing." Most people who say they like to watch boxing are really like the people who only truly watch NASCAR for the crashes - they're looking to be witnesses to someone else's personal disaster and mistakes and mismatches in boxing can provide that. As George Foreman said, "Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it." Boxing has fighters and judo has players, and the death toll tells why; nothing against judo as a sport, even a combat sport, but it's not boxing. Anybody can punch, just like anybody can jump out of plane, but there's a difference between that and being a trained boxer or skydiver.
In ancient Greece, the first Olympic sports were wrestling, running, boxing, then MMA (Prankration). Boxing was known world wide to be the most brutal and punishing of ALL sports. Boxing should maybe be the last used to "settle beefs"?
I think I have seen the best description of all martial arts in a bjj meme. It said something along the lines of "me and my friends on our way to simulate murder". It stuck with me because I think it is an accurate description of what martial arts are. Simulated murder. We stop ourselves at a tap or we go easier when our training partner feels in danger. We can try to dress it up as "self defence" or "sport" but at the bottom of it all lies the fact that all of these systems were meant to hurt, decapacitate, or kill your opponent.
The even more crucial fact is that people think that certain arts (especially striking ones and especially boxing) are more doable and safer because it doesn't directly involve the danger of something like, in MMA, with failing a move pertaining the slamming of the opponent on the ground, instead breaking your neck and becoming paralyzed from the waist down, as it tragically happened with a sizable amount of fighters, as Ramsey and his video on the subject did great to inform me and the viewers. But with the striking and especially with the knocking down parts (and especially with the fall part) there are TREMENDOUS amount of dangers and scenarios that belong to something dangerous like fighting.
The only way that Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ etc can be safe and absolutely doable to set up with anyone is truly when, predictably, you only tap or lightly spar.
Hi Ramsey, Your comment on the high risk of blunt force trauma associated with boxing makes me think of a syndrome that came up in my days as a student nurse: the 'Lambeth Boxer Syndrome'. A typical case would read something like this - 'Fred Smith is a 68-year-old man currently living in sheltered accommodation for the elderly. He comes from a working-class background and has always worked physically demanding jobs. He drank and smoked to excess from a young age, but has always maintained good levels of physical fitness because he boxed professionally/semi-professionally as a young man'. The combination of lifestyle factors there tended to predispose these men to vascular dementia, with particularly focused damage to the small blood vessels in their frontal lobes (i.e. where they had been repeatedly receiving blunt-force trauma alongside having other risk factors for small-vessel disease). However, many of these men had maintained sufficient physical fitness and muscle memory from their boxing days that, although they could often be very vulnerable, they presented a particular set of physical risks to people caring for them. A man who carried heavy loads for fifty years and knows how to throw a punch at an instinctual level is a real concern if he isn't comfortable with a situation. The presentation of this syndrome varied dependent on severity. You may be aware that frontal lobe damage tends to result in disinhibited behaviour - we had more than one fellow whose dementia was relatively mild/early stage and who was quite charming, playing up to a sort of 'rough-around-the-edges-lad' sort of charm and flirting outrageously with the young ladies involved in their care. But in extreme presentations this syndrome would be an elderly man who easily became disoriented in time and/or place (which is obviously a frightening experience for these guys; especially if, say, you need assistance showering and you have two or three people in a shower with you) and could throw mean punches with precision. More than one care plan made reference to 'this gentleman poses a risk of serious injury or death if he becomes frightened and feels the need to defend himself.' I'm sure that for all of these men boxing brought them a number of benefits: a commitment to physical fitness, the practice of an art that provides mental and physical stimulation and enjoyment, (potentially) not-insignificant financial rewards compared to poorly-paid work. But it seemed to be a poignant contributing factor to some very complex issues with their health in later life and it's always stuck with me.
That is a frightingly accurate description of my father. "He comes from a working-class background and has always worked physically demanding jobs. He drank and smoked to excess from a young age, but has always maintained good levels of physical fitness because he boxed professionally/semi-professionally as a young man"
I honestly don't want to be that guy, but in this context, "flirting outrageously" sounds a lot like being sexually harassed by possibly very violent and dangerous men. Not everyone, not all the time, obviously, but let's not pretend that refused advances never led to aggression among rough-around-the-edges-lads.
I had a buddy in my army reserve unit who worked in an assisted living facility. She told me of one particularly ornery dementia patient who was an ex-boxer. He was easily frustrated, aggressive, and still very strong. She said "It was sad to see. His wife would always try to calm him down. 'Leon! Leon, its just the nurses!" And my hair stood on end. "Leon who?" "Weird name. Sinks? Sphinx?" "YOU BABYSIT LEON ****ING SPINKS!?" Spar light, fight defensively, and stay healthy, because even the guy who took the belt from Mohammed Ali can die ignominiously in some low end old folks home in Vegas.
My ex girlfriend got kicked right in the pussy and had to leave work early in that exact situation you described. She was giving a lady a shower at the nursing home where she was working at the time. The lady had severe dementia and could suddenly become disoriented in time and place and for those that are lucky enough to never have seen dementia close up, that means suddenly not knowing where you are, and no longer recognizing the people around you. It could be your own child that you suddenly recognize as an old spouse, or a parent that has been dead for decades. Or it can be a nurse helping you in the shower when you suddenly don't recognize your own bathroom or the person accompanying your naked self in this unknown location. A lot of people talk about self defense here on YT. How far would they have gone in this situation?
@@cchutney348It does sound that way, any wich way you look at it. But we have to remember that there is a difference between dementia and people who are simply violent. The violent man is prone to use his violence in order to get something that he wants but is denied. The man with dementia can become violent when he is deathly afraid but that is actually quite normal, meaning that his underlying problem is not really with violence but rather misguided fear. And it does not necessarily imply that violence is something he would suddenly choose to turn to simply because he is disappointed.
The way you consistently and quietly express how serious martial sports are, because they are *dangerous* is one of the things I like the most about your channel. You speak and behave like an adult and a professional, and there is far too little of that in martial arts TH-cam. Thank you.
You know, this is actually spot on. There was a time in sparring at an older gym: and this dude who was twice my size had an ego or something. He basically punched me so hard in my head, i felt my brain rattle: vision went black, and i felt a shiver throughout my entire body. Needless to say, he was known for that. So who knows, i could have had a concussion and not known. It definitely made me a lot more aware for my defense at the time. Stuff like this is why i honestly hate the creator clashes myself. Nothing else brings me joy other than fighting: but at the same time, we can't pretend its a game. And i definitely have suffered. But despite that, it woke me up to being a lot better defensively, and picking my shots(plus partners) wisely. Just realize what you are getting into, watch for who your training partners are: and keep training. Try not to be barbaric about it. Its a mistake i have had to learn from, and arguably still to this day.
People always think that boxing is such a 'game because everyone thinks they can throw a punch, honestly I've even seen that while training in wrestling people would walk into the room thinking all you had to do was grab someone and over power them just for them to get put on their back, great video as always Ramsey
I have a good friend that is an amateur boxer. He told me that a common myth is that you can learn boxing in three months, while the truth is that it can take years.
@@blockmasterscott honestly yeah, I don't get why people think you can learn a martial art in a few months, I've been wrestling for years now and I'm still learning new tricks almost every match
@@blockmasterscott you can learn to box in under a year, you can make someone competent in a short amount of time there’s a reason it’s taught in military basic training. You’re not a prizefighter but you do know the basics of how to throw a punch and how to fight. It obviously doesn’t take years because MMA fighters learn to do it but they’re not anywhere near professional boxers yet they could still out box the average guy.
my friend who boxed at a gym since childhood was trying to explain this very thing to a bunch of us at a party when we were younger and dumber... we were making fun of this guy who was a black belt in karate but clearly wouldn't be able to do anything in a fight (he originally antagonized us and brought up his own black belt status as an attempted flex/threat). My buddy who boxed said we were probably right but should leave it alone. we turned it around on him and said his cardio was really good and all but he probably couldn't really fight either... and eventually one of us ended up with a broken nose. rule of thumb: if they box, and you don't, don't antagonize them lol!
Thanks for bringing this subject Ramsey, i hate when people treat combat sports or martial arts too lightly, and "dueling" to set differences is very stupid, being better on physical combat don't change arguments and facts, disagreement should be resolved in a better mature way.
@RED CHUCKS Yes sir i have, i believe that skalagrim may have a video that reflects the idea i try to pass, but i like to listen to your opinion on the subject my friend, i like your videos btw
ehh, if arguments are settled and there's still bad feelings me and my buddies put on the gloves and at the end we're all good. On the other hand we all train though
Then what should be the timeline for idiots to go punch each other in the face. As far as I’m concerned they’re a bunch of Rich people with money to burn, if they want to spend a year or two years training in boxing and then go beat the crap out of each other why should the average person care also what’s the minimum amount of time before they can fight? The average working person will not do this why because we have to go to work the next day… We can’t spend 10 hours a day training to do boxing like Logan Paul much less any potential medical bills.
Was almost knocked out my 1st time sparring, like you said I didn't know what I was getting into. I thought it was going to be a glorious back and forth fight. Instead I failed to land a single punch and was dropped by a vicious equilibrium shot. Only thing I would add is that people new to striking sports, need to spend time vetting the trainers. Don't make my mistake and sign up with the person with best sales pitch. Some of the shadiest people I've met have been the trainers. Make sure the majority of your sparring is tap sparring.
Sage advice. A good question to ask a trainer when looking for a good gym is "what is purpose of wearing the headgear?". If they tell you to protects your head from getting rattled, leave. If they say it helps you not get as many cuts on your face, stay. If you see any "chin training" get the fuck out of there. Every hit you take to your chin not only is bad for your brain but also makes your resistance to the hits a hair weaker. Your chin does NOT get stronger with practice.
Yeah this is the overall problem with boxing they do not train like they do in other sports. Muay Thai or even MMA. Stephen Wonderboy has made videos on this, he said that for anyone who comes into his gym and wants to train he does not want them to leave beaten up or with a concussion… He mentioned having doctors and lawyers who come train at his gym. He talked about the importance of light typical sparring and building up your skills. Save any potential injuries whether light or major for the ring where you are actually getting paid for it. The boxing gyms I’ve seen have been shady as hell. A bunch of new guys who are supposed to be doing light technical sparring treating it like a Las Vegas prize fight. I’ve only ever been to one good boxing gym and that was just because my friend was the head coach and he competed in MMA and Taekwondo first so not an old school gym.
@@Wingzero90939 I agree with all of this. My personal experience was very fortunate (and very atypical) because boxing wasn't the first step on my journey and my wrestling coach sent me to a specific gym to train with a specific coach. He spent eighteen months with me before my first fight and injury prevention was king. He would get FURIOUS if I didn't report that something was sore or hurting me. Rocking someone during a sparring match probably would have been a good way to get kicked out forever.
Even though it won’t happen because it isn’t as ‘sexy’ as boxing, I really think that wrestling makes more sense as a dispute resolver. Less likely to have a serious injury yet physical and (somewhat) representative of fighting with a lot of physicality. It’s one of the oldest martial arts for a reason and I believe that tribes would have used it as a way for members to exert dominance over one another without serious ramifications (think about dogs play fighting as another example). Icy mike has a really good video making these points
I agree. Not to mention a lot of people aren’t even good enough at wrestling or any grappling to seriously hurt someone. Wearas with boxing they could always hit a “ lucky “ hit, and or just swing un controllably at eachother until they or the opponent get seriously hurt. The main difference is that most regular people don’t know how to hurt others in grappling / wrestling. While in striking they don’t know how to stop themselves from getting hurt
I totally agree. You have to see the number of deaths in boxing (amateur or professional) due to head trauma; at least here in Mexico they're staggering. And then you have these influencers thinking this is a game, swinging wild haymakers and receiving them without any proper defense; man, it's a tragedy in the making.
Very martial art isnt a game, anything can happen to ANYONE. Boxing (or striking for that matter) might be the worst offender, being so dangerous no matter at what level you compete, there are videos of people being knocked and even dying doing a suplex in wrestling, I personally have broken a rib and seen a terrible broken arm from someone putting their arm down when falling in judo, not even a throw just pushed and someone fell on top of him. Even practicing in martial arts that some people call "unrealistic" (not my words) but things like karate and taekwondo, people get brain damage when doing point sparring. It might be a way lower chance than boxing, but it can happen when you least expect it, in fact that is when it is the worst and how people develop CTE. Thank you Ramsey for raising some awareness on this issue, I hate seeing anyone get injuries, we only have one body and one life. God bless you all.
I've always brought this up when trying to introduce more wrestling into HEMA, which people treat as a primarily striking art. People are so scared of wrestling, I think because we're instinctually afraid of falling. The same people who are afraid to wrestle though have no problem hitting eachother with blunt steel levers in lightly padded jackets. I've seen broken fingers, broken hands, and even a couple concussions through helmets while doing HEMA. I've seen people who don't wrestle trip over their opponent and roll their ankles because they've never trained breakfalls. But for some reason, striking is considered safer. Maybe it's the protection - the gloves, headgear if you're an amateur boxer, shin guards, etc. Maybe it's people seeing expert level defensive boxers like Mayweather not taking much damage in many of his fights, in contrast to seeing ground and pound, elbows, etc. that seem more "violent" than punching to the laymen.
Tbh, I wish hema had more grappling, but I see why it doesn't. There's just too much injury potential because people don't know what they are doing. Only significant injuries we ever had in our club were results of a grappling action.
@@WhyName That's why you need to teach people what they're doing. You don't just throw two brand new people straight into boxing sparring, someone's gonna get knocked out or injure their hands. We don't just let someone grab a feder and start flailing around with it, because they're going to injure someone. Why do we pretend wrestling is something magic in this regard? We being HEMA instructors.
I've been fighting boxing for 10 years, I love the sport and it's no joke. The Miranda Adkins vs Sinesta Estrada fight lasted 7 seconds and left Miranda in a coma for days. Every year male and female boxers die in Missmatches.
I hadn't watched creator clash until I saw your commentary on it. I saw creators involved in it talking about it and assumed it was alright, but then after your video about it I decided to watch the highlights and I have to say that I agree with you 100%, it was disgusting. most of them hadn't developed the sort of defense required to be useful in protecting themselves, and the few who did made disgusting displays of destroying their opponent. in the early days of the UFC, they called it "human cockfighting." MMA fighters are trained athletes who are skilled to some degree in defense of all sorts. untrained or barely trained boxing looks much more like human cockfighting or dogfighting to me.
Spot on. And even then, there are still happenings of tragic events and missed moves almost ending the lifes of those absolutely light-years ahead people as far as competence and preparation goes. Only with imaginary powers you can't get hurt, if you get into economics recklessly and underestimating the situation, you, indeed, get hurt, with fighting, the same, with history, the same, with armed combat, the same etc. With the ones in there involving your physical body and life, it can go wrong with repair. You won't cruise like you're Marciano, Dempsey and Alì folks!
I'm an experienced gamer, I've been to a few tournaments, I've seen people getting angry when playing games. Here's my advice: either learn & practice more and get better at the game (and help your teammates get better if you're playing team-based games), or don't play the game. I'm 39 so I remember the old days in the arcade, back then getting into fist fights because of games would most likely get all people involved banned from the arcade for life. Getting into fights because of games is never a good idea.
Ironically, especially when you intensely play and statically do it for hours, man you could get yourself killed! By the themes of blood and circulation and all the mechanics pertaining our bodies in that situation. Or to begin with, hurt yourself with those sudden and high -powered moves on an unstretched body, even before taking to account the damage that we could take (or the opponent with the one we do); unless It ends like it ends in any SUDDEN REAL FIGHT IN DA STREETZ, so with bad moves and goofed up fumbles. We like to think that it's just automatic to be ready and being set up to fight, and then fight. Not just that, but that it's even possible to then look/have a fight-night like, I don't know, a champion like Tyson or a professional boxer.
It’s very weird because the gloves allow fighters to punch harder to a super physiological degree without breaking their hands. They actually make the sport more dangerous in many ways.
What amazes me is how people are more willing to put their mental and physical wellbeing on the line, as opposed to anything else or just swallowing their pride and putting their egos aside. Compare boxing or any combat sport to gambling, people will say that gambling is bad and that they could lose a lot of money, but when it comes to fighting they’ll downplay the risks and talk about tough they are, even if they have no athleticism whatsoever. Worse than that is the people who encourage this kind of behavior.
They're just unaware because they never experienced that hard floor, falls and strikes. Coming from someone exactly like that mind you, but that shouldn't stop "you" to know better. It definitely didn't with me.
@@averageminecraftenjoyer9419well depending on the headhear it usually only prevents cuts, broken nose and/or eyes getting hurt. The blunt force is still there and it even worsen the strikes since you have more weight on your head.
It amazes me how many people think you can play boxing. Untrained people seem to think it is less serious than other martial arts. Maybe they think that because only punching is involved, it's just like the schoolyard fights they had as kids. They should go 2 minutes with a Golden Gloves Champ. Not to mention anyone who ever went pro, even if the person had a poor record and short career.
And even when, miracolously, only the "two arms" are involved, it's absolutely one of the most brutal, intense and dangerous scenarios. And not even in a term longer than right there. It's absolutely tough right there already, and even without some stereotypal slugfest situation. Even conducting yourself and seeing the end of the fight is a hard and absolutely not granted part, let alone fighting good or win the fight. Weird stuff.
@Dusk The pressure an experienced boxer can put on you is unbelievable. Even if you are a strong beginner, a strong intermediate boxer will make you feel like you are under assault. You tire quickly and will panic and do something dumb or desperate. A trained boxer should be informed that he or she is sparring with a stiff, so they don't hurt the person. Backyard boxing is reckless and should be stopped.
I agree. People shouldn’t just box for fun. But I just don’t agree that people think it’s not serious compared to other martial arts. For the vast vast majority of people, the only martial art the even know is boxing, and they just call everything else un affective, they especially hate on grappling arts the most. Almost all regular people think boxing is the most superior martial art and nothing else comes even remotely close . But I don’t think people should just box for fun or to settle disagreements either. It’s really dangerous. I guess they just think it’s safe because of the gloves . If anything it’s kinda more dangerous to box if you don’t know what your doing because your not conditioned to take a hit, and also many any people don’t even know how to protect and guard themselves from getting punched , which may lead to a lot of injury
I find the excuse of "it's for charity" extra funny, because most charity events basically swallow the funds collected, with maybe a pittance going to the nominal cause.
What you said about boxing not being a game is exactly why I do not demonstrate joint locks on anyone that I am not 100% sure is physically conditioned and that I trust to be on the receiving end. I would rather be called a fraud than hurt someone that isn’t physically able to withstand a joint lock.
What kind of joint locks are you talking about? I do jiu jitsu and I've never seen that kind of problem before, we apply submissions slowly and our training partners know when to tap.
@@firedude339 Those are the two important words. “Training partner”. People you work with and trust. Not some random guy. Any joint lock applies to some random person you don’t know.
people don't understand how hard a boxer can punch, especially the ones over 200lbs. I would expect most boxers to generate 800psi of force easily with a punch.
800 psi for a 200+ lb boxer is easy. Steve Petramale was recorded at over 900 by National Geographic at a body weight of 160lbs, and he wasn’t even well known for being a power puncher.
Man, I know I share on a lot of your old videos I have never watched before, but you said this so exceptionally well. Great stuff! You and Jesse Endkamp/fam are my two favorites. There is one other guy as well. You guys truly show the reality of it all. I grew up in a system that taught us to disengage as much as possible. Try and calm the situation or walk away. Only fight back if absolutely necessary, and if you happen to get the better, stop. Try to help them up and talk to them. They might just be some tough guy, or they could be someone going through a very difficult time, and if you are able to prevent the fight or help them up, if you best them. Talk with them. You may just have made a huge change in their day or the way they look at thing's. What I see now is a lot if people trying to push beating the other person until they are severely injured. You are a very good man, and I love your content. Keep it up!
Same comment I left last time around: "You don't play boxing. You really don't. You play golf, you play tennis, but you don't play boxing." - Sugar Ray Leonard
Howdy Ramsey, I have a bit of a multi-point question. 1 why do you feel that boxing is the go-to combat sport for those who are untrained or unaware of the risk. 2 what do you think would be a better combat sport/ruleset for mostly untrained fighters? Because fundamentally people are going to do it so what do you think would suck least. And 3 a more personally indulgent question. What do you think about something akin to no holds barred glima for that role? I would imagine a core ruleset that awards 1 point for a clean standup. No points but ends round on submission. With most takedowns being the tiebreaker if needed. More and specific rules would be needed. But still I feel this ruleset does a good job of promoting depth. Without incentivizing more dangerous techniques like submissions, throws, and slams.
I could try to answer the first two but idk if they would be as good if Ramsay was answering, But yeah 1. I feel like many people choose boxing as the go to sport for settling disagreements because a lot of people think that is the only important aspect of fighting . Many people just simply think that nothing else matters in a fight besides punching, most likely because they don’t even remotely understand anything else like kicks, knees , elbows, takedowns, throws, and submissions. 2. This is why I say that grappling would be a much better way of settling things, mainly because many people aren’t even good enough at grappling to do any damage to the opponent. Most likely it would just be a silly struggle on the ground and it wouldn’t be rlly that dangerous.
Question: if two friends can't work out their differences by talking and the best thing anyone can think of is for them to box each other why are they friends
All the points you make are extremely correct, I've had the same issue with friends after they have a few drinks and they say something like "hey let's hit pads or let's have a spar" And my go to rule is " come over in the morning when your sober and we will have a train " Always limit injuries when training especially with people who haven't trained
Get 3 solid punches from a professional boxer with a walking weight over 80 kilograms anywhere in your body and then tell me if you think there is anything close to a GAME on what felt.
You're wrong, so wrong! even a 60 kg professional boxer can kill you with only one long-trajectory punch, never underestimate an adversary for his size or weight, they have the technique, power and speed to kill you.
@@androidgameplays4every13 if you think that the point of elmaxidelsur was to argue that boxers under 80kg do not present a threat, I implore you to read again.
That would be a rigged fight so your fighting a soup can/ a rigged match. That is totally a game, that’s how people pad their record. So every boxing fight Logan Paul has done he specifically picked people who didn’t know how to fight in boxing not actual boxers.
When I was significantly younger and very dumb, I had an amateur boxing match setup that I participated in in college. The guy I was fighting had never boxed before, and I had done some sparring but that was it. First hit of the fight I snapped his head back, broke his nose, and probably gave him a concussion. Boxing is serious and not meant for just messing around. It's a lot more dangerous than you'd think. I was very foolish to participate in that but I was under the impression that he had had training as well. Light/medium sparring is one thing, but full out boxing needs to be a commitment made by people that are aware of the risks.
I really love your resolve on this topic. No BS tolerated. You can love the sport, but the goal of the competitors is inflicting damage. No way around that.
When I was in my 20’s I boxed out of a gym for about 5 years. I was probably in the best shape of my life. Ran 5 miles everyday and worked out at the boxing gym for two hours a day five days a week. In amateur boxing you where head gear, mouth guard, groin guard, and gloves of course. The weight of the gloves depends on your weight class. If I remove correctly in my class it was 12oz gloves. We lost one of our boxers in the ring, he died from a hit to the head. The head gear doesn’t stop you brain from being bounced around. I started to talking to guys from other gym who had been boxing a lot longer then me, like since they were little kids and I noticed a lot them had TBI’s from being hit in the head everyday of their life. Even though we don’t go full out on each other in the gym it’s still enough to cause damage over time. That’s why I chose to stop after five years. I love the sport though and still do to this day!!
Exceptional video. I have subscribed on the basis of this video. Combat martial arts are deadly serious and not to be taken lightly or underestimated (note I don't use the term sports as they aren't sports. Baseball, basketball, golf are sports). Most people have no idea the damage that can be done to them from a simple punch or kick.
Boxing is brutal! People lose their lives and people suffer life altering injuries all the time. I've been involved in boxing a long time and I've seen people knocked out in sparring who ended up with severe head trauma so bad they couldn't do any sport after it! I've seen a boxer die in the ring and my brother who was the best boxer I knew personally was recently diagnosed with a form of CTE and he was a very defensive fighter! It's not a game and it's a bad way to solve disputes especially when the two men are mismatched!
I think ramsey is right about the creator clash. Sure they trained for a few months but I personally don’t think that’s anywhere near enough for a full contact fight of any style. I boxed for 6 years and was too young for most comps for 3 of those years. Durning this time we would have occasional “sparring” with those jerks that come into a gym trying to kill people and turn every sparring session into a an Ameture fight. And I am telling you even after many years in the sport getting rocked like that is hard to deal with. Now imagine someone that has been doing it for 3-6 months (cardio boxing doesn’t really count). In my opinion the comp shouldn’t have been sanctioned even though a lot of people enjoyed it, it was dangerous for the creators involved
That’s a valid perspective but you mentioned yourself that even just by training in the gym since it is a hard-core boxing gym which tends to happen you get routine practices, light sparring that turns into basically an amateur fight… I would argue that with most boxing gyms shard sparring still is very much a cultural problem you probably took away more damage in the gym than you ever did in a professional fight. For these guys they will probably never be doing this again and they are doing it against someone equally unskilled. So I think there risk of injuries is a lot lower than guys who actually compete all the time. Similar to Muay Thai, those kids start competing at six years old full contact for money, By the time they are 18 they have at least 100 fights. For the creators there is no way they have taken as much damage as any of those kids have...
@@Wingzero90939 i see where you are coming from, but in my opinion some of these fighters couldn’t intelligently defend themselves, and just because they aren’t the best boxers doesn’t mean these grown men can’t hit each other hard enough to cause injury. For example the main event dr.mike vs idubz I’m pretty sure anyone can see neither of them were world class boxers but idubzs was barely even defending himself against a guy I have no doubt hits decently hard. These types of fights are where this gets dangerous
@@bolsack8902 Yeah I do not disagree with that, at that point they needed better referees and needed corner men who had their best interest at heart. That being said I worry more for newbies going into old school boxing gyms where routinely hard sparring happens, And some of them would even be gullible enough to believe in chin conditioning. It’s the newbies who don’t know any better. These guys all had to go sign up with a trainer and receive some level of boxing training. I don’t see that much of a difference between this event and just a locally put on amateur tournament. When I competed in taekwondo when I was younger. The local tournaments were a mess you got guys who looked like they could be in the Olympics, and then you got out of shape Mcdojo couch potatoes. So to me it seemed like a fairly amateur tournament. One thing they could have done, is get rid of the gloves if they were they were as bad as everyone else is saying somebody would’ve broken their hand in the first 20 seconds and the fight would’ve been over.
@@Wingzero90939 you are suggesting that these not even ameture boxers fight without gloves to see who brakes their hand, so we can see if they are really bad? No disrespect but what exactly makes you think that will help anyone? Local Ameture comps in boxing (usually stuff like golden gloves I assume) are very serious events in my experience. And the fighters who compete aren’t jokes. Most coaches won’t let a man that is less than a year in go to a comp like that. Taekwondo is a different conversation. That sport isn’t completely safe but you guys take a lot of mesures to make your comps not a fight, but more of a points game. I think you are right about the refs and corner men though
@@bolsack8902 No, that is not what I am suggesting at all, I’m saying that Boxing gloves do inherently make the sport more dangerous than it should be, if you didn’t have the protection of the boxing glove you would be much more conservative in what you do and how you throw/ set up your punches… With boxing gloves on you feel like you can punch through anything especially after you wrap your hands. Also for some of the guys from creator clash I remember seeing a clip where one guy was struggling to keep his hands up and was just getting bombed repeatedly in the face, his opponent would not have been doing that with his bare hands… If anything he would be taking more body shots. The game changes when your hands are not invincible anymore sort of. Some of these creators do claim to have been training in boxing for over a year for this but I don’t know for certain. There are steps we can take to make boxing safer-ish. So even though it’s not recommended that these creators fight so soon, their risk could be minimized much more significantly.
You spoke the Truth! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👌👌 I speak on this all of the time. This is why I refer to Boxing as a Martial Art, not a Combat Sport. Although Sports can be dangerous, in this Modern Society folks treat sports as not serious Games. Martial Arts are meant for Lethal Competition, although they also teach restraint and control. Life is really the Game of Survival, but folks aren't ready for that level of Conversation and Thought.
Another issue is sparring. Most people have no idea how dangerous sparring in a boxing ring is and they think they can unload on each other. It takes alot of control and training to hold back and work the timing, movement, defense and etc instead of degenerating into a slugfest. I dont spar with people who have no experience and dont understand what sparring is.
Ramsey Dewey: Love the channel, your vids, and that you keep it real. Question(s): For cardio. In my limited experience, cardio for BJJ and wrestling is a different form. 1:What would you recommend as the best for training? 2: Do you have any advice for tempering the shins, forearms, hands, and knuckles safely? How frequently? 3: What do you think of Filipino Arnis? I love the Philippines and would like to return. I would also like to train while there, if possible. I also would love to visit China in the future. As well, it would be absolutely awesome to train under you if possible.
It's the same when people say: "you can also hurt yourself badly in daily traffic or in the sport of skating or whatever" Yes. Of course you can. So can you in combat sports. And every athlete should be aware of that
man this is why i watch ur videos man, we share the same take. i like the fact that the sport is growin, but people should learn and put on some work first, work hard and shit like that. great video as always!
I think people think boxing is safe because you wear them boxing gloves. But what they don't seem to realize is that the force from the blow transmits to the head of the opponent, gloves or no.
I love wrestling, bjj and other forms of grappling, and while I don't want to see them diluted, if untrained folks are going to do any combat sport for charity, entertainment, or settling disputes, it should probably be wrestling or something similar. The best choice is to not use combat sports in this manner but if its going to happen then it should be the most instinctual, common and universal of them all.
What about those keyboard warriors that think eye pokes and groin shots will work on actual fighters, yet show no actual evidence of it working on them
10/10 NO LIE DETECTED. Preach that, sir. Broken nose that hasn't let the sinuses on the right side of my face work right for better than 20 years. Multiple spinal injuries. Broken-not-"just"-dislocated ribs (got those too). Dented leg from an insane kick (minor but funny, who knew your leg could DENT?). And that's just TRAINING. Going into the ring puts even more than that on the line, because you're no longer "hitting friendly," but striking for effect. And then you get to live the rest of your life after that...and if you're not involved in SOME kind of active recovery, you're probably in for being stove-up and miserable for your midlife crisis. And then people want to throw UNTRAINED people into fights? HEEEEEELLLLL no.
coming from a k1-mma background, the worse punches i got were the boxer's ones. I mean, literally bricks to the head and body from skinny guys. Guys, protect yourselves at all times
This is why I pursue martial arts as a hobby. I've been doing it since I was 15, but I to do this day wish I hadn't started with a gym that wasn't all hard sparring all the time. Not only was it counterproductive for my early growth as a fighter, but I sustained damage for basically no reason.
Great vídeo as always...hey Ramsey can you talk about boxing shoes and Styles, i mean stylist fighter shoes or inside fighter shoes...is there any difference? Thanks
In my first boxing fight I expected a back and forth match not a livershot shutting me down the first minute in. Who can guess that an experienced fight will not necessary aim for the head.
Technical sparring, got accidentally kicked to the head. Just one hit and just reinforced the fact that it hurts and getting a lot of it causes problems down the line.
Well, i know boxing ain't no game for sure, i knew about the brain damage even before i started practicing, gotta be honest, i'm in my 20's, i only had like 3 sparrings, i sucked in all of them obviusly, and i've been training about 7 months now. Honestly i don't think it could get bad for me, specially because i'm stopping as soon as i start studying next year so, yeah hearing this kind of story always make me re-think my actions. I like boxing and kickboxing too, but i don't want to get killed or retarded (more than i'm already are of course), but i also want to learn it, see that i'm able to trow hands, that i'm not weak. I'm tired of this doubts as well, i just wanted to learn how to fight before going to college, but i don't have this killer mentality to fight either. I'm really lost but guess that's life for ya, i'm writing all of this while i think how i could do better in this, and honestly i don't know for sure. Well that's enough for this comment, thanks for the wisdom Ramsey.
One thing I noticed about that youtuber boxing show was that headgear was optional. I think out of the whole match only one pair of contestants opted for headgear. I think it was a macho thing no one wanted to look weak in front of their subscribers. Glove weight matters a lot to. HUGE difference between 16oz gloves and 8oz gloves. I don't know what the glove weight was for that show. If someone is going to host amateur boxing matches the contestants should at least be required to wear headgear and 16oz gloves.
I remember getting my ribs broken 2 years ago doing grappling. Getting kneed in the face by an mma fighter when I was younger, breaking my nose. Recently while sparring an MMA Fighter who’s getting ready for competition, I got a spinning backhand to the throat, and I remember thinking, if he threw that hit with any more force behind it, I’d probably be dead. Just because combat sport rules, doesn’t make it any less dangerous. A lot of people think they can get into it until they take a serious blow, and understandably reconsider.
If Plato travelled into the future to live with you for a year (let's assume he learnt English to prepare for the time travel), what would you do with him? What would you ask, what would you want to learn, what would you teach him etc?
@@RamseyDewey Thanks coach! I'm an assistant boxing coach at a gym and I have a very talented student who is getting bullied at school by students much older than him. I know - oldest story in the book right? The bullies seem like pretty bad people and I'm trying to steer my student away from an all out physical confrontation. Do you have any advise I could pass on? I feel as a coach I have to be more sensible about my opinions rather than just simply telling him to go 'beat them up' (which by the way most people were saying at the gym). Thanks again.
Do a proper Dempsey falling step and actually show it with your lead leg, u already did show it with a cross(right),the other video you only talked about it. Can you even do it with your lead leg,Jack Dempsey sure can!
I´ve been recently on some "league" local boxing tournament. It was shocking for me because those kids around their 20s were so skilled-their head movements, power in punches and mental toughtness cought me off guard. The event was held in some old ugly house, paint was coming off the walls, there were like 10 people around the ring and those guys were not in fights anymore. It was war. Brutal fuc*ing war. Not that I know nothing about boxing or fighting. I´m a kicboxing hobbyist but I allways prefered gym and working out. When my friend (whom I´m helping with gym related stuff) stepped into the ring I was nervous as hell. This is the side of of combat sport that every "fan" of professionall MMA or other trendy stuff needs to see- you are there with your friend and now its all up to him. You recentlly saw a kid knocking out another kid, gypsies and football hooligans are all around you yelling some stupid stuff. It isn´t shiny nor cosmetic, you know damm well he can be badly injured next minute.
Hey Ramsey. I have a question about shadowboxing Should all shadowboxing routines be simulations of fights, or can there be slight deviations from that? Coach Barry Robinson, for example, is a strong advocate of shadowboxing like you're in a fight. Also, some people, like those in the US army, say that you "sink to the level of your training" (paraphrasing) implying that things you do for training become habits that you carry into fights. Do you think this always applies?
Hey ramsey, got a question for you, but first some context: so a few days ago my gym had a summer party at the main coaches house, and there was several altrecations at said party, 2 of witch involve a guy ill call John, long story short John almost started fighting with 2 seperate members of the club at 2 seperate ocasions, one of witch got a little physical, no punches were thrown but 3-4 people me included had to tear him and member nr 2 off of one another, the main coach was away dealing with another altrecation somewhere else so he diddent see the altrecation take place (he was there for the first one), after all this i was worried that this would create problems durring classes so i had a talk with the main coach and he basicly said "ive had a talk with both of them, nothing more i can do", in the days after the party ive heard from multiple people that John aparently had brought cocaine to the party and had tried to push it on to another member and that he has on several ocasions tried to start street fights at bar’s and other places, this leads up to today’s story, we have recently had a big cleaning day at the gym, and a few days before i put out a message on the gyms group chat that if anyone had any clothes laying arround that they had to let me know before the cleaning day or else they would be thrown out (there had been growing a pile of old workout clothes that people had just left at the gym) and no one came forth so when the day came we threw out nearly all the clothes that had just been left arround the gym, fast forward to today i get a message from John, where he basicly demands that i buy him a new shirt cause aparently one of the shirts that was left was his, i told him that he should have let me know beforehand, and that he cant come and demand to get a new shirt just cause he had left his lying arround at the gym (the clothes had been lying arround for months, and i suspect that said shirt had been at the gym for a decent ammount of time beforehand) , he awnsered that he dident care and that i better have gotten him a new one by next training, my question is what should i do? Im worried that the main coach wont do anything about this even if i present him with the evidence, and i wont train with someone that i dont think i can trust my physical wellbeing with, i dont feel safe going back to the gym now because of this, and even if the situation resolves itself (i checked, and his shirt hadent been thrown out) i still wont feel safe training with someone that would send threatening messages to someone at 02 in the morning. Any tips for dealing with this situation?
Every time we played a "martial arts tournament" with my friends, we set rules to forbid going for the head, neck or anything in that are, plus no nut shots. This was a safety measurement. Anyway i would not call it a responsible practice because sometimes one misses and hit a vital spot by accident. (in these cases the hitter got disqualified immediately. Now that we are adults we play videogames for the thrill of competition and sportmanship.
Just a couple of days ago a BJJ practitioner, a friend of a friend of mine, who has done moderate amount of striking in the past got sucker punched in the eye in a "friendly" sparring session with a kickboxing white belt which resulted in him needing two surgeries and being banned from *ALL combat sports for life* by the doctors. I live and breathe my combat sports but to take the potential risks lightly especially in under-trained individuals is utterly dumb. Want to settle your differences with a person in a playful fight? Fight in a Tekken (7, 6, 5, 4 or 3) match! The closest a video game can get to a combat sports fight imo.
Not illegal afaik but you can't throw kicks so raising your knee to throw a superman punch is just telegraphing rather than feinting. The most similar technique in boxing would be a gazelle punch I think.
They’re completely legal as long as you land it properly, but it’s usually not the most viable option. It has a lot of room for landing illegally somewhere like the back of the head and it’s telegraphed so it would be easier for an experienced boxer to defend against. However, occasionally you do see some stuff like gazelle punches being used by greats like Rocky Marciano, but yeah it’s legal but not common
A Superman punch is a follow up to a fake kick. Without kicking, it doesn’t make sense. There’s no rule against it in boxing, but it’s not going to work out in your favor.
I'm coming here after seeing the other video about the Creator Clash...would you have made the same points about safety if they had a grappling tournament instead?
I was just asking because grappling arts are combat sports too...I just wanted to make sure I understood your point. It seems like your problem is when people do dangerous things without full understanding of the risks, rather than the fact that casuals are doing combat sports (because grappling is also a combat sport).
I think he's talking about a pen and paper role-playing game that he's running, where the players are supposed to (SUPPOSED TO) be collaborating with each other. Now, I'm no boxer, but I *have* GMed many a pen and paper role-playing game and... If things have gotten *so bad* that he's asking this question, he's probably thinking "maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I just let these fuckers kill each other, just to give me some peace and quiet". It's like a Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies TPK, but in real life!
Here's the thing; if video games or simple challenges don't settle a dispute, then the dispute isn't a game either. Sometimes the way people feel isn't a game. Sometimes people have to settle a dispute with a duel because for some, blood DOES need to be spilled, and we can't murder each other in a civilized world. I do agree however that people need to realize that combat sports are about spilling blood before they sign up. I do still think it's their right to fight each other but I also think that right comes with the responsibility of knowing what that entails. This is coming from a guy who knows what violence is like firsthand. Combat sports further help you to understand violence.
I've been boxing maybe over 20 years and I can tell you boxing isn't a game you can just pick up. Although I go to a regular gym these days, I still train in the boxing area they've got. Gym trainers and gym bros would occasionally spar thinking they could probably box are always in for a rude awakening as I easily just play with them even though they are much much bigger than me. I'm not the strongest or fastest guy but my boxing foundation is solid. I've sparred with pro boxers and pro MMA fighters (just in boxing). At one point I was even a sparring partner of a friend who fought in OneFC to prepare him in his fights. And in those spars I've been KOed twice - both times with body shots. In one of those KOs I couldn't breathe properly for a month.
With the advent of simunnititon, which is safe with eye and groin protection but hurts like hell, I don't know why people talk about solving their agression with boxing instead of old timey duels.
Mr. Dewey, I have a possibly stupid question, then. Is there any combat sports related activity, format etc. you could maybe recommend people willing to host something like this "creator clash" instead of "go-to boxing"? Or is it something nobody should really be flirting with given that we're talking about people who can only realistically train for a few months before the show?
Ramsey I have a Question: As a fellow member the LDS church, have you ever been ridiculed or judged by anyone from our faith for your choice of interest or career? I know a few people who would at least see an LDS mma fighter as strange. In addition, has anyone OUTSIDE of the faith claimed you were hypocritical or something for this reason?
No, I never got any flack from anyone in the church about combat sports. I get disparaging TH-cam comments once in a while from random people saying that it’s hypocritical for a Christian for fight. I’ve covered that specific topic in several videos. As far as being ridiculed for a career- the only career I ever got any major backlash from anyone for was professional dancing. I used to perform with several ballet and modern dance companies. I have a dance degree. None of the ridicule was religiously based though- just the typical “men shouldn’t participate in fine performing arts because it makes me feel uncomfortable!” types.
Did UWCB a few years ago. For those who don't know, it's where you do eight weeks free training then have a fight, all to raise money for Cancer Research UK. Our trainer said before everything else that he could drop dead any second from a brain aneurysm caused by a professional fight he was in ten years ago. And that anyone can receive serious brain damage or death when they step into the ring. The number of people who signed up dropped from 60 to 30 after that speech. Most of our training was sparring, starting light and building it up over the weeks. And I was threatened with having my hands duct taped or stapled to my head multiple times for not keeping my guard up. Any trainer who does not emphasise the risks involved with boxing should not be training.
I'd wager that people who think boxing is a game have never been punched in the face by someone who meant business.
the first time I realized that it wasn't all fun and games was when I got a highkick to the eye and my vision went away for just a second. All good, no lasting damage (I guess), but the impact was huge in that moment
@@athosdalvarek918 I mean you see this in other sports too I got my nose broken in Taekwondo, they still allow full contact head kicks. Funny enough the most injuries I ever got were training not in tournaments.
Yeah until you have had facial trauma to the point of a broken nose (or other facial structures) it's kinda difficult for most people to fully understand that.
It's so annoying hearing casuals and wrestling fans saying boxing is "rigged" and decided! It's a brutal sport and every year people die partaking in it! If anyone thinks it's easy just try doing it full time for a living!
I’m hear you debunk that statement
Very well put... as someone said, "boxing's not a game like other sports; people play tennis, baseball and even football, but no one "plays" boxing." Most people who say they like to watch boxing are really like the people who only truly watch NASCAR for the crashes - they're looking to be witnesses to someone else's personal disaster and mistakes and mismatches in boxing can provide that. As George Foreman said, "Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it." Boxing has fighters and judo has players, and the death toll tells why; nothing against judo as a sport, even a combat sport, but it's not boxing.
Anybody can punch, just like anybody can jump out of plane, but there's a difference between that and being a trained boxer or skydiver.
In ancient Greece, the first Olympic sports were wrestling, running, boxing, then MMA (Prankration). Boxing was known world wide to be the most brutal and punishing of ALL sports. Boxing should maybe be the last used to "settle beefs"?
I think they should just remove the gloves, and get rid of the standing eight count.
People think that "only striking, only arms" is not only easy but even safer than other fighting themes.
Maybe is safer than swords and guns, but it's definitively not a safe way to settle conflicts, specially without anyone there to stop the match.
I think I have seen the best description of all martial arts in a bjj meme. It said something along the lines of "me and my friends on our way to simulate murder". It stuck with me because I think it is an accurate description of what martial arts are. Simulated murder. We stop ourselves at a tap or we go easier when our training partner feels in danger. We can try to dress it up as "self defence" or "sport" but at the bottom of it all lies the fact that all of these systems were meant to hurt, decapacitate, or kill your opponent.
The even more crucial fact is that people think that certain arts (especially striking ones and especially boxing) are more doable and safer because it doesn't directly involve the danger of something like, in MMA, with failing a move pertaining the slamming of the opponent on the ground, instead breaking your neck and becoming paralyzed from the waist down, as it tragically happened with a sizable amount of fighters, as Ramsey and his video on the subject did great to inform me and the viewers.
But with the striking and especially with the knocking down parts (and especially with the fall part) there are TREMENDOUS amount of dangers and scenarios that belong to something dangerous like fighting.
The only way that Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ etc can be safe and absolutely doable to set up with anyone is truly when, predictably, you only tap or lightly spar.
@@dusk6159 and probably not best done when you're angry with the person.
Hi Ramsey,
Your comment on the high risk of blunt force trauma associated with boxing makes me think of a syndrome that came up in my days as a student nurse: the 'Lambeth Boxer Syndrome'.
A typical case would read something like this - 'Fred Smith is a 68-year-old man currently living in sheltered accommodation for the elderly. He comes from a working-class background and has always worked physically demanding jobs. He drank and smoked to excess from a young age, but has always maintained good levels of physical fitness because he boxed professionally/semi-professionally as a young man'.
The combination of lifestyle factors there tended to predispose these men to vascular dementia, with particularly focused damage to the small blood vessels in their frontal lobes (i.e. where they had been repeatedly receiving blunt-force trauma alongside having other risk factors for small-vessel disease). However, many of these men had maintained sufficient physical fitness and muscle memory from their boxing days that, although they could often be very vulnerable, they presented a particular set of physical risks to people caring for them. A man who carried heavy loads for fifty years and knows how to throw a punch at an instinctual level is a real concern if he isn't comfortable with a situation.
The presentation of this syndrome varied dependent on severity. You may be aware that frontal lobe damage tends to result in disinhibited behaviour - we had more than one fellow whose dementia was relatively mild/early stage and who was quite charming, playing up to a sort of 'rough-around-the-edges-lad' sort of charm and flirting outrageously with the young ladies involved in their care. But in extreme presentations this syndrome would be an elderly man who easily became disoriented in time and/or place (which is obviously a frightening experience for these guys; especially if, say, you need assistance showering and you have two or three people in a shower with you) and could throw mean punches with precision. More than one care plan made reference to 'this gentleman poses a risk of serious injury or death if he becomes frightened and feels the need to defend himself.'
I'm sure that for all of these men boxing brought them a number of benefits: a commitment to physical fitness, the practice of an art that provides mental and physical stimulation and enjoyment, (potentially) not-insignificant financial rewards compared to poorly-paid work. But it seemed to be a poignant contributing factor to some very complex issues with their health in later life and it's always stuck with me.
That is a frightingly accurate description of my father.
"He comes from a working-class background and has always worked physically demanding jobs. He drank and smoked to excess from a young age, but has always maintained good levels of physical fitness because he boxed professionally/semi-professionally as a young man"
I honestly don't want to be that guy, but in this context, "flirting outrageously" sounds a lot like being sexually harassed by possibly very violent and dangerous men. Not everyone, not all the time, obviously, but let's not pretend that refused advances never led to aggression among rough-around-the-edges-lads.
I had a buddy in my army reserve unit who worked in an assisted living facility. She told me of one particularly ornery dementia patient who was an ex-boxer. He was easily frustrated, aggressive, and still very strong. She said "It was sad to see. His wife would always try to calm him down. 'Leon! Leon, its just the nurses!"
And my hair stood on end. "Leon who?"
"Weird name. Sinks? Sphinx?"
"YOU BABYSIT LEON ****ING SPINKS!?"
Spar light, fight defensively, and stay healthy, because even the guy who took the belt from Mohammed Ali can die ignominiously in some low end old folks home in Vegas.
My ex girlfriend got kicked right in the pussy and had to leave work early in that exact situation you described. She was giving a lady a shower at the nursing home where she was working at the time. The lady had severe dementia and could suddenly become disoriented in time and place and for those that are lucky enough to never have seen dementia close up, that means suddenly not knowing where you are, and no longer recognizing the people around you. It could be your own child that you suddenly recognize as an old spouse, or a parent that has been dead for decades. Or it can be a nurse helping you in the shower when you suddenly don't recognize your own bathroom or the person accompanying your naked self in this unknown location. A lot of people talk about self defense here on YT. How far would they have gone in this situation?
@@cchutney348It does sound that way, any wich way you look at it. But we have to remember that there is a difference between dementia and people who are simply violent. The violent man is prone to use his violence in order to get something that he wants but is denied. The man with dementia can become violent when he is deathly afraid but that is actually quite normal, meaning that his underlying problem is not really with violence but rather misguided fear. And it does not necessarily imply that violence is something he would suddenly choose to turn to simply because he is disappointed.
The way you consistently and quietly express how serious martial sports are, because they are *dangerous* is one of the things I like the most about your channel. You speak and behave like an adult and a professional, and there is far too little of that in martial arts TH-cam. Thank you.
Love how Ramsey never takes stuff for granted and how he also lays it there.
Boxers die the most. Mma us rare. Boxing is brutal
@@lordoffaiyum9727 You're absolutely right.
Everyone has a mouth until they get planned in the punch
- Tyke Mison
The CTE is strong in this one.
You know, this is actually spot on. There was a time in sparring at an older gym: and this dude who was twice my size had an ego or something. He basically punched me so hard in my head, i felt my brain rattle: vision went black, and i felt a shiver throughout my entire body. Needless to say, he was known for that. So who knows, i could have had a concussion and not known. It definitely made me a lot more aware for my defense at the time. Stuff like this is why i honestly hate the creator clashes myself. Nothing else brings me joy other than fighting: but at the same time, we can't pretend its a game. And i definitely have suffered. But despite that, it woke me up to being a lot better defensively, and picking my shots(plus partners) wisely.
Just realize what you are getting into, watch for who your training partners are: and keep training. Try not to be barbaric about it. Its a mistake i have had to learn from, and arguably still to this day.
People always think that boxing is such a 'game because everyone thinks they can throw a punch, honestly I've even seen that while training in wrestling people would walk into the room thinking all you had to do was grab someone and over power them just for them to get put on their back, great video as always Ramsey
I have a good friend that is an amateur boxer. He told me that a common myth is that you can learn boxing in three months, while the truth is that it can take years.
@@blockmasterscott honestly yeah, I don't get why people think you can learn a martial art in a few months, I've been wrestling for years now and I'm still learning new tricks almost every match
@@blockmasterscott you can learn to box in under a year, you can make someone competent in a short amount of time there’s a reason it’s taught in military basic training. You’re not a prizefighter but you do know the basics of how to throw a punch and how to fight.
It obviously doesn’t take years because MMA fighters learn to do it but they’re not anywhere near professional boxers yet they could still out box the average guy.
Every good MMA fighter dedicates many years of study to boxing.
But isn’t it in an MMA context, not in a strictly boxing rules context…?
my friend who boxed at a gym since childhood was trying to explain this very thing to a bunch of us at a party when we were younger and dumber... we were making fun of this guy who was a black belt in karate but clearly wouldn't be able to do anything in a fight (he originally antagonized us and brought up his own black belt status as an attempted flex/threat).
My buddy who boxed said we were probably right but should leave it alone. we turned it around on him and said his cardio was really good and all but he probably couldn't really fight either... and eventually one of us ended up with a broken nose.
rule of thumb: if they box, and you don't, don't antagonize them lol!
Thanks for bringing this subject Ramsey, i hate when people treat combat sports or martial arts too lightly, and "dueling" to set differences is very stupid, being better on physical combat don't change arguments and facts, disagreement should be resolved in a better mature way.
@RED CHUCKS Yes sir i have, i believe that skalagrim may have a video that reflects the idea i try to pass, but i like to listen to your opinion on the subject my friend, i like your videos btw
I find the video for you is: "skalagrim dueling = less offended people? Let's look at history."
ehh, if arguments are settled and there's still bad feelings me and my buddies put on the gloves and at the end we're all good. On the other hand we all train though
@@ethanstover9859 Well as you say you all train and that's make a huge difference, and being honest we do the same here
Then what should be the timeline for idiots to go punch each other in the face. As far as I’m concerned they’re a bunch of Rich people with money to burn, if they want to spend a year or two years training in boxing and then go beat the crap out of each other why should the average person care also what’s the minimum amount of time before they can fight?
The average working person will not do this why because we have to go to work the next day… We can’t spend 10 hours a day training to do boxing like Logan Paul much less any potential medical bills.
Was almost knocked out my 1st time sparring, like you said I didn't know what I was getting into. I thought it was going to be a glorious back and forth fight. Instead I failed to land a single punch and was dropped by a vicious equilibrium shot. Only thing I would add is that people new to striking sports, need to spend time vetting the trainers. Don't make my mistake and sign up with the person with best sales pitch. Some of the shadiest people I've met have been the trainers. Make sure the majority of your sparring is tap sparring.
Sage advice. A good question to ask a trainer when looking for a good gym is "what is purpose of wearing the headgear?". If they tell you to protects your head from getting rattled, leave. If they say it helps you not get as many cuts on your face, stay. If you see any "chin training" get the fuck out of there. Every hit you take to your chin not only is bad for your brain but also makes your resistance to the hits a hair weaker. Your chin does NOT get stronger with practice.
Yeah this is the overall problem with boxing they do not train like they do in other sports. Muay Thai or even MMA. Stephen Wonderboy has made videos on this, he said that for anyone who comes into his gym and wants to train he does not want them to leave beaten up or with a concussion… He mentioned having doctors and lawyers who come train at his gym. He talked about the importance of light typical sparring and building up your skills. Save any potential injuries whether light or major for the ring where you are actually getting paid for it.
The boxing gyms I’ve seen have been shady as hell. A bunch of new guys who are supposed to be doing light technical sparring treating it like a Las Vegas prize fight.
I’ve only ever been to one good boxing gym and that was just because my friend was the head coach and he competed in MMA and Taekwondo first so not an old school gym.
@@Wingzero90939 I agree with all of this.
My personal experience was very fortunate (and very atypical) because boxing wasn't the first step on my journey and my wrestling coach sent me to a specific gym to train with a specific coach. He spent eighteen months with me before my first fight and injury prevention was king. He would get FURIOUS if I didn't report that something was sore or hurting me. Rocking someone during a sparring match probably would have been a good way to get kicked out forever.
Had the same experience.
Your best video yet. You've basically explained what boxing IS, not what its proponents say it's ABOUT.
Even though it won’t happen because it isn’t as ‘sexy’ as boxing, I really think that wrestling makes more sense as a dispute resolver. Less likely to have a serious injury yet physical and (somewhat) representative of fighting with a lot of physicality. It’s one of the oldest martial arts for a reason and I believe that tribes would have used it as a way for members to exert dominance over one another without serious ramifications (think about dogs play fighting as another example). Icy mike has a really good video making these points
I agree. Not to mention a lot of people aren’t even good enough at wrestling or any grappling to seriously hurt someone. Wearas with boxing they could always hit a “ lucky “ hit, and or just swing un controllably at eachother until they or the opponent get seriously hurt. The main difference is that most regular people don’t know how to hurt others in grappling / wrestling. While in striking they don’t know how to stop themselves from getting hurt
No learn striking 1st
I totally agree. You have to see the number of deaths in boxing (amateur or professional) due to head trauma; at least here in Mexico they're staggering. And then you have these influencers thinking this is a game, swinging wild haymakers and receiving them without any proper defense; man, it's a tragedy in the making.
Very martial art isnt a game, anything can happen to ANYONE. Boxing (or striking for that matter) might be the worst offender, being so dangerous no matter at what level you compete, there are videos of people being knocked and even dying doing a suplex in wrestling, I personally have broken a rib and seen a terrible broken arm from someone putting their arm down when falling in judo, not even a throw just pushed and someone fell on top of him. Even practicing in martial arts that some people call "unrealistic" (not my words) but things like karate and taekwondo, people get brain damage when doing point sparring. It might be a way lower chance than boxing, but it can happen when you least expect it, in fact that is when it is the worst and how people develop CTE. Thank you Ramsey for raising some awareness on this issue, I hate seeing anyone get injuries, we only have one body and one life. God bless you all.
"Thats where your wrong right there! I'm not an athlete! Im a gladiator people play baseball nobody plays boxing." - Ving Rhames Undisputed 2002
I've always brought this up when trying to introduce more wrestling into HEMA, which people treat as a primarily striking art. People are so scared of wrestling, I think because we're instinctually afraid of falling. The same people who are afraid to wrestle though have no problem hitting eachother with blunt steel levers in lightly padded jackets.
I've seen broken fingers, broken hands, and even a couple concussions through helmets while doing HEMA. I've seen people who don't wrestle trip over their opponent and roll their ankles because they've never trained breakfalls. But for some reason, striking is considered safer.
Maybe it's the protection - the gloves, headgear if you're an amateur boxer, shin guards, etc. Maybe it's people seeing expert level defensive boxers like Mayweather not taking much damage in many of his fights, in contrast to seeing ground and pound, elbows, etc. that seem more "violent" than punching to the laymen.
I saw a video of a HEMA guy getting hit with a double leg takedown and the comment section was full of people crying about it being excessive.
Amateur boxers fighting in official AIBA events dont wear headgear anymore, atleast for the adult men
Tbh, I wish hema had more grappling, but I see why it doesn't. There's just too much injury potential because people don't know what they are doing.
Only significant injuries we ever had in our club were results of a grappling action.
@@WhyName That's why you need to teach people what they're doing. You don't just throw two brand new people straight into boxing sparring, someone's gonna get knocked out or injure their hands.
We don't just let someone grab a feder and start flailing around with it, because they're going to injure someone. Why do we pretend wrestling is something magic in this regard? We being HEMA instructors.
@@rykehuss3435 Ah, shows what I know. I was a karateka, never done boxing.
I've been fighting boxing for 10 years, I love the sport and it's no joke. The Miranda Adkins vs Sinesta Estrada fight lasted 7 seconds and left Miranda in a coma for days. Every year male and female boxers die in Missmatches.
She wasn't in a coma. Tf you talking about?
I hadn't watched creator clash until I saw your commentary on it. I saw creators involved in it talking about it and assumed it was alright, but then after your video about it I decided to watch the highlights and I have to say that I agree with you 100%, it was disgusting. most of them hadn't developed the sort of defense required to be useful in protecting themselves, and the few who did made disgusting displays of destroying their opponent. in the early days of the UFC, they called it "human cockfighting." MMA fighters are trained athletes who are skilled to some degree in defense of all sorts. untrained or barely trained boxing looks much more like human cockfighting or dogfighting to me.
Spot on.
And even then, there are still happenings of tragic events and missed moves almost ending the lifes of those absolutely light-years ahead people as far as competence and preparation goes.
Only with imaginary powers you can't get hurt, if you get into economics recklessly and underestimating the situation, you, indeed, get hurt, with fighting, the same, with history, the same, with armed combat, the same etc.
With the ones in there involving your physical body and life, it can go wrong with repair.
You won't cruise like you're Marciano, Dempsey and Alì folks!
A boxing match isnt needed to settle a gaming dispute. Learning to be a good sport even when losing is.
I'm an experienced gamer, I've been to a few tournaments, I've seen people getting angry when playing games.
Here's my advice: either learn & practice more and get better at the game (and help your teammates get better if you're playing team-based games), or don't play the game.
I'm 39 so I remember the old days in the arcade, back then getting into fist fights because of games would most likely get all people involved banned from the arcade for life. Getting into fights because of games is never a good idea.
Ironically, especially when you intensely play and statically do it for hours, man you could get yourself killed! By the themes of blood and circulation and all the mechanics pertaining our bodies in that situation.
Or to begin with, hurt yourself with those sudden and high -powered moves on an unstretched body, even before taking to account the damage that we could take (or the opponent with the one we do); unless It ends like it ends in any SUDDEN REAL FIGHT IN DA STREETZ, so with bad moves and goofed up fumbles.
We like to think that it's just automatic to be ready and being set up to fight, and then fight.
Not just that, but that it's even possible to then look/have a fight-night like, I don't know, a champion like Tyson or a professional boxer.
It’s weird how boxing gloves always seem to give people a sense of safety. Like it’s not a real fight simply because of the gloves.
It’s very weird because the gloves allow fighters to punch harder to a super physiological degree without breaking their hands. They actually make the sport more dangerous in many ways.
@@RamseyDewey I think that's the main thing that makes people think boxing is "safe," is that they don't understand the gloves are actual weapons.
The gloves just allow the fighters to protect their hands and wrist not the person being hit 😂
@@RamseyDewey what would ur opinion of a bkfc mma be?
@@RamseyDewey Holy Shit ive never read something I agree more with in my life.
“You don’t play boxing. You really don’t. You play golf, you play tennis, but you don’t play boxing.”
Sugar Ray Leonard
What amazes me is how people are more willing to put their mental and physical wellbeing on the line, as opposed to anything else or just swallowing their pride and putting their egos aside. Compare boxing or any combat sport to gambling, people will say that gambling is bad and that they could lose a lot of money, but when it comes to fighting they’ll downplay the risks and talk about tough they are, even if they have no athleticism whatsoever. Worse than that is the people who encourage this kind of behavior.
They're just unaware because they never experienced that hard floor, falls and strikes.
Coming from someone exactly like that mind you, but that shouldn't stop "you" to know better. It definitely didn't with me.
Agreed but wont headgear and an experienced coach help?
@@averageminecraftenjoyer9419well depending on the headhear it usually only prevents cuts, broken nose and/or eyes getting hurt. The blunt force is still there and it even worsen the strikes since you have more weight on your head.
It amazes me how many people think you can play boxing. Untrained people seem to think it is less serious than other martial arts. Maybe they think that because only punching is involved, it's just like the schoolyard fights they had as kids. They should go 2 minutes with a Golden Gloves Champ. Not to mention anyone who ever went pro, even if the person had a poor record and short career.
And even when, miracolously, only the "two arms" are involved, it's absolutely one of the most brutal, intense and dangerous scenarios. And not even in a term longer than right there. It's absolutely tough right there already, and even without some stereotypal slugfest situation.
Even conducting yourself and seeing the end of the fight is a hard and absolutely not granted part, let alone fighting good or win the fight.
Weird stuff.
@Dusk The pressure an experienced boxer can put on you is unbelievable. Even if you are a strong beginner, a strong intermediate boxer will make you feel like you are under assault. You tire quickly and will panic and do something dumb or desperate. A trained boxer should be informed that he or she is sparring with a stiff, so they don't hurt the person. Backyard boxing is reckless and should be stopped.
I agree. People shouldn’t just box for fun. But I just don’t agree that people think it’s not serious compared to other martial arts. For the vast vast majority of people, the only martial art the even know is boxing, and they just call everything else un affective, they especially hate on grappling arts the most. Almost all regular people think boxing is the most superior martial art and nothing else comes even remotely close . But I don’t think people should just box for fun or to settle disagreements either. It’s really dangerous. I guess they just think it’s safe because of the gloves . If anything it’s kinda more dangerous to box if you don’t know what your doing because your not conditioned to take a hit, and also many any people don’t even know how to protect and guard themselves from getting punched , which may lead to a lot of injury
@@Jordanthecool7lol i disagree I’ve seen mma fans talk shit on boxing my guy.
I find the excuse of "it's for charity" extra funny, because most charity events basically swallow the funds collected, with maybe a pittance going to the nominal cause.
What you said about boxing not being a game is exactly why I do not demonstrate joint locks on anyone that I am not 100% sure is physically conditioned and that I trust to be on the receiving end.
I would rather be called a fraud than hurt someone that isn’t physically able to withstand a joint lock.
The harsh reality of Kung fu teaching.
What kind of joint locks are you talking about? I do jiu jitsu and I've never seen that kind of problem before, we apply submissions slowly and our training partners know when to tap.
@@firedude339 Those are the two important words. “Training partner”. People you work with and trust. Not some random guy.
Any joint lock applies to some random person you don’t know.
@@peterwang5660 Teaching is different than demonstrating.
people don't understand how hard a boxer can punch, especially the ones over 200lbs. I would expect most boxers to generate 800psi of force easily with a punch.
800 psi for a 200+ lb boxer is easy. Steve Petramale was recorded at over 900 by National Geographic at a body weight of 160lbs, and he wasn’t even well known for being a power puncher.
Man, I know I share on a lot of your old videos I have never watched before, but you said this so exceptionally well. Great stuff! You and Jesse Endkamp/fam are my two favorites. There is one other guy as well. You guys truly show the reality of it all. I grew up in a system that taught us to disengage as much as possible. Try and calm the situation or walk away. Only fight back if absolutely necessary, and if you happen to get the better, stop. Try to help them up and talk to them. They might just be some tough guy, or they could be someone going through a very difficult time, and if you are able to prevent the fight or help them up, if you best them. Talk with them. You may just have made a huge change in their day or the way they look at thing's.
What I see now is a lot if people trying to push beating the other person until they are severely injured. You are a very good man, and I love your content. Keep it up!
your probably the only TH-camr that actually talks sense I'm subscribing to you, my friend
This is the best refutation anyone could possibly give to the “it’s not a real fight“ crowd!
Same comment I left last time around:
"You don't play boxing. You really don't. You play golf, you play tennis, but you don't play boxing." - Sugar Ray Leonard
Howdy Ramsey,
I have a bit of a multi-point question.
1 why do you feel that boxing is the go-to combat sport for those who are untrained or unaware of the risk.
2 what do you think would be a better combat sport/ruleset for mostly untrained fighters? Because fundamentally people are going to do it so what do you think would suck least.
And 3 a more personally indulgent question. What do you think about something akin to no holds barred glima for that role?
I would imagine a core ruleset that awards 1 point for a clean standup. No points but ends round on submission. With most takedowns being the tiebreaker if needed.
More and specific rules would be needed. But still I feel this ruleset does a good job of promoting depth. Without incentivizing more dangerous techniques like submissions, throws, and slams.
I could try to answer the first two but idk if they would be as good if Ramsay was answering, But yeah
1. I feel like many people choose boxing as the go to sport for settling disagreements because a lot of people think that is the only important aspect of fighting . Many people just simply think that nothing else matters in a fight besides punching, most likely because they don’t even remotely understand anything else like kicks, knees , elbows, takedowns, throws, and submissions.
2. This is why I say that grappling would be a much better way of settling things, mainly because many people aren’t even good enough at grappling to do any damage to the opponent. Most likely it would just be a silly struggle on the ground and it wouldn’t be rlly that dangerous.
Question: if two friends can't work out their differences by talking and the best thing anyone can think of is for them to box each other why are they friends
High test gamer rage lol
@@Ios13056 ego problems
@@Ios13056
Low test”
Getting worked up so much over such trivial matters is the equivalent of an emotional tantrum.
Someone should obviously just give them paintball guns, fully kit them out and have a duel in the backyard
Me and my best friend are boxers,we are brothers but rivals in the ring,fighting isnt out of aggression or hatred but its simply fun
so much wisdom in every video, this channel is gold.
Settle your differences the way your differences started, and that’s talking.
All the points you make are extremely correct, I've had the same issue with friends after they have a few drinks and they say something like "hey let's hit pads or let's have a spar"
And my go to rule is " come over in the morning when your sober and we will have a train "
Always limit injuries when training especially with people who haven't trained
it was the go to thing in old movies so the tradition continues. i agree that boxing is very dangerous.
Get 3 solid punches from a professional boxer with a walking weight over 80 kilograms anywhere in your body and then tell me if you think there is anything close to a GAME on what felt.
And that's why we don't put pro boxers against random people or amateurs on the ring
You're wrong, so wrong! even a 60 kg professional boxer can kill you with only one long-trajectory punch, never underestimate an adversary for his size or weight, they have the technique, power and speed to kill you.
@@androidgameplays4every13 if you think that the point of elmaxidelsur was to argue that boxers under 80kg do not present a threat, I implore you to read again.
That would be a rigged fight so your fighting a soup can/ a rigged match. That is totally a game, that’s how people pad their record. So every boxing fight Logan Paul has done he specifically picked people who didn’t know how to fight in boxing not actual boxers.
A martial arts channel for responsible adults, amazing.
When I was significantly younger and very dumb, I had an amateur boxing match setup that I participated in in college. The guy I was fighting had never boxed before, and I had done some sparring but that was it. First hit of the fight I snapped his head back, broke his nose, and probably gave him a concussion. Boxing is serious and not meant for just messing around. It's a lot more dangerous than you'd think. I was very foolish to participate in that but I was under the impression that he had had training as well. Light/medium sparring is one thing, but full out boxing needs to be a commitment made by people that are aware of the risks.
I really love your resolve on this topic. No BS tolerated. You can love the sport, but the goal of the competitors is inflicting damage. No way around that.
When I was in my 20’s I boxed out of a gym for about 5 years. I was probably in the best shape of my life. Ran 5 miles everyday and worked out at the boxing gym for two hours a day five days a week. In amateur boxing you where head gear, mouth guard, groin guard, and gloves of course. The weight of the gloves depends on your weight class. If I remove correctly in my class it was 12oz gloves. We lost one of our boxers in the ring, he died from a hit to the head. The head gear doesn’t stop you brain from being bounced around. I started to talking to guys from other gym who had been boxing a lot longer then me, like since they were little kids and I noticed a lot them had TBI’s from being hit in the head everyday of their life. Even though we don’t go full out on each other in the gym it’s still enough to cause damage over time. That’s why I chose to stop after five years. I love the sport though and still do to this day!!
Exceptional video. I have subscribed on the basis of this video. Combat martial arts are deadly serious and not to be taken lightly or underestimated (note I don't use the term sports as they aren't sports. Baseball, basketball, golf are sports). Most people have no idea the damage that can be done to them from a simple punch or kick.
Take their anger out on a bag if you must, but fighting angry….is unwise.
Boxing is brutal! People lose their lives and people suffer life altering injuries all the time. I've been involved in boxing a long time and I've seen people knocked out in sparring who ended up with severe head trauma so bad they couldn't do any sport after it! I've seen a boxer die in the ring and my brother who was the best boxer I knew personally was recently diagnosed with a form of CTE and he was a very defensive fighter! It's not a game and it's a bad way to solve disputes especially when the two men are mismatched!
I think ramsey is right about the creator clash. Sure they trained for a few months but I personally don’t think that’s anywhere near enough for a full contact fight of any style. I boxed for 6 years and was too young for most comps for 3 of those years. Durning this time we would have occasional “sparring” with those jerks that come into a gym trying to kill people and turn every sparring session into a an Ameture fight. And I am telling you even after many years in the sport getting rocked like that is hard to deal with. Now imagine someone that has been doing it for 3-6 months (cardio boxing doesn’t really count). In my opinion the comp shouldn’t have been sanctioned even though a lot of people enjoyed it, it was dangerous for the creators involved
That’s a valid perspective but you mentioned yourself that even just by training in the gym since it is a hard-core boxing gym which tends to happen you get routine practices, light sparring that turns into basically an amateur fight…
I would argue that with most boxing gyms shard sparring still is very much a cultural problem you probably took away more damage in the gym than you ever did in a professional fight. For these guys they will probably never be doing this again and they are doing it against someone equally unskilled. So I think there risk of injuries is a lot lower than guys who actually compete all the time.
Similar to Muay Thai, those kids start competing at six years old full contact for money, By the time they are 18 they have at least 100 fights. For the creators there is no way they have taken as much damage as any of those kids have...
@@Wingzero90939 i see where you are coming from, but in my opinion some of these fighters couldn’t intelligently defend themselves, and just because they aren’t the best boxers doesn’t mean these grown men can’t hit each other hard enough to cause injury. For example the main event dr.mike vs idubz I’m pretty sure anyone can see neither of them were world class boxers but idubzs was barely even defending himself against a guy I have no doubt hits decently hard. These types of fights are where this gets dangerous
@@bolsack8902 Yeah I do not disagree with that, at that point they needed better referees and needed corner men who had their best interest at heart.
That being said I worry more for newbies going into old school boxing gyms where routinely hard sparring happens, And some of them would even be gullible enough to believe in chin conditioning. It’s the newbies who don’t know any better. These guys all had to go sign up with a trainer and receive some level of boxing training. I don’t see that much of a difference between this event and just a locally put on amateur tournament.
When I competed in taekwondo when I was younger. The local tournaments were a mess you got guys who looked like they could be in the Olympics, and then you got out of shape Mcdojo couch potatoes. So to me it seemed like a fairly amateur tournament.
One thing they could have done, is get rid of the gloves if they were they were as bad as everyone else is saying somebody would’ve broken their hand in the first 20 seconds and the fight would’ve been over.
@@Wingzero90939 you are suggesting that these not even ameture boxers fight without gloves to see who brakes their hand, so we can see if they are really bad? No disrespect but what exactly makes you think that will help anyone?
Local Ameture comps in boxing (usually stuff like golden gloves I assume) are very serious events in my experience. And the fighters who compete aren’t jokes. Most coaches won’t let a man that is less than a year in go to a comp like that.
Taekwondo is a different conversation. That sport isn’t completely safe but you guys take a lot of mesures to make your comps not a fight, but more of a points game.
I think you are right about the refs and corner men though
@@bolsack8902 No, that is not what I am suggesting at all, I’m saying that Boxing gloves do inherently make the sport more dangerous than it should be, if you didn’t have the protection of the boxing glove you would be much more conservative in what you do and how you throw/ set up your punches… With boxing gloves on you feel like you can punch through anything especially after you wrap your hands.
Also for some of the guys from creator clash I remember seeing a clip where one guy was struggling to keep his hands up and was just getting bombed repeatedly in the face, his opponent would not have been doing that with his bare hands…
If anything he would be taking more body shots. The game changes when your hands are not invincible anymore sort of.
Some of these creators do claim to have been training in boxing for over a year for this but I don’t know for certain.
There are steps we can take to make boxing safer-ish. So even though it’s not recommended that these creators fight so soon, their risk could be minimized much more significantly.
You spoke the Truth! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👌👌 I speak on this all of the time. This is why I refer to Boxing as a Martial Art, not a Combat Sport. Although Sports can be dangerous, in this Modern Society folks treat sports as not serious Games. Martial Arts are meant for Lethal Competition, although they also teach restraint and control. Life is really the Game of Survival, but folks aren't ready for that level of Conversation and Thought.
Another issue is sparring. Most people have no idea how dangerous sparring in a boxing ring is and they think they can unload on each other. It takes alot of control and training to hold back and work the timing, movement, defense and etc instead of degenerating into a slugfest. I dont spar with people who have no experience and dont understand what sparring is.
Ramsey Dewey: Love the channel, your vids, and that you keep it real. Question(s):
For cardio. In my limited experience, cardio for BJJ and wrestling is a different form. 1:What would you recommend as the best for training?
2: Do you have any advice for tempering the shins, forearms, hands, and knuckles safely? How frequently?
3: What do you think of Filipino Arnis? I love the Philippines and would like to return. I would also like to train while there, if possible. I also would love to visit China in the future. As well, it would be absolutely awesome to train under you if possible.
It's the same when people say: "you can also hurt yourself badly in daily traffic or in the sport of skating or whatever"
Yes. Of course you can. So can you in combat sports. And every athlete should be aware of that
man this is why i watch ur videos man, we share the same take. i like the fact that the sport is growin, but people should learn and put on some work first, work hard and shit like that. great video as always!
I think people think boxing is safe because you wear them boxing gloves. But what they don't seem to realize is that the force from the blow transmits to the head of the opponent, gloves or no.
Gloves allow you to punch harder to a super physiological level without injuring your hands.
I love wrestling, bjj and other forms of grappling, and while I don't want to see them diluted, if untrained folks are going to do any combat sport for charity, entertainment, or settling disputes, it should probably be wrestling or something similar. The best choice is to not use combat sports in this manner but if its going to happen then it should be the most instinctual, common and universal of them all.
What about those keyboard warriors that think eye pokes and groin shots will work on actual fighters, yet show no actual evidence of it working on them
10/10 NO LIE DETECTED. Preach that, sir.
Broken nose that hasn't let the sinuses on the right side of my face work right for better than 20 years. Multiple spinal injuries. Broken-not-"just"-dislocated ribs (got those too). Dented leg from an insane kick (minor but funny, who knew your leg could DENT?). And that's just TRAINING. Going into the ring puts even more than that on the line, because you're no longer "hitting friendly," but striking for effect.
And then you get to live the rest of your life after that...and if you're not involved in SOME kind of active recovery, you're probably in for being stove-up and miserable for your midlife crisis. And then people want to throw UNTRAINED people into fights? HEEEEEELLLLL no.
coming from a k1-mma background, the worse punches i got were the boxer's ones. I mean, literally bricks to the head and body from skinny guys. Guys, protect yourselves at all times
This is why I pursue martial arts as a hobby. I've been doing it since I was 15, but I to do this day wish I hadn't started with a gym that wasn't all hard sparring all the time. Not only was it counterproductive for my early growth as a fighter, but I sustained damage for basically no reason.
"AND IN THIS CORNER! RAMSEY 'RAMIFICATIONS' DEWEY!!!"
Hahaha!
Great vídeo as always...hey Ramsey can you talk about boxing shoes and Styles, i mean stylist fighter shoes or inside fighter shoes...is there any difference?
Thanks
Just promoted this on Twitter. It's that good.
Thank you
In my first boxing fight I expected a back and forth match not a livershot shutting me down the first minute in. Who can guess that an experienced fight will not necessary aim for the head.
every time I fight I treat it as a life and death situation when I prepare to fight i prepare to die I'm not joking
Technical sparring, got accidentally kicked to the head. Just one hit and just reinforced the fact that it hurts and getting a lot of it causes problems down the line.
Well, i know boxing ain't no game for sure, i knew about the brain damage even before i started practicing, gotta be honest, i'm in my 20's, i only had like 3 sparrings, i sucked in all of them obviusly, and i've been training about 7 months now.
Honestly i don't think it could get bad for me, specially because i'm stopping as soon as i start studying next year so, yeah hearing this kind of story always make me re-think my actions.
I like boxing and kickboxing too, but i don't want to get killed or retarded (more than i'm already are of course), but i also want to learn it, see that i'm able to trow hands, that i'm not weak.
I'm tired of this doubts as well, i just wanted to learn how to fight before going to college, but i don't have this killer mentality to fight either.
I'm really lost but guess that's life for ya, i'm writing all of this while i think how i could do better in this, and honestly i don't know for sure.
Well that's enough for this comment, thanks for the wisdom Ramsey.
One thing I noticed about that youtuber boxing show was that headgear was optional. I think out of the whole match only one pair of contestants opted for headgear. I think it was a macho thing no one wanted to look weak in front of their subscribers. Glove weight matters a lot to. HUGE difference between 16oz gloves and 8oz gloves. I don't know what the glove weight was for that show.
If someone is going to host amateur boxing matches the contestants should at least be required to wear headgear and 16oz gloves.
Headgear doesn’t protect your brain. It’s to minimize superficial damage like cuts, black eyes, and west and tear on the ears.
It's even worse when you realise that people can punch WAAAAAY harder with those big gloves because they aren't afraid of hurting their hands
It's fun and all until someone ends up hurt or worse !
Agreed. Theres lots of 6 week camps to white collar competition boxing and mma schools in my area. It worries me.
I remember getting my ribs broken 2 years ago doing grappling.
Getting kneed in the face by an mma fighter when I was younger, breaking my nose.
Recently while sparring an MMA Fighter who’s getting ready for competition, I got a spinning backhand to the throat, and I remember thinking, if he threw that hit with any more force behind it, I’d probably be dead.
Just because combat sport rules, doesn’t make it any less dangerous. A lot of people think they can get into it until they take a serious blow, and understandably reconsider.
If Plato travelled into the future to live with you for a year (let's assume he learnt English to prepare for the time travel), what would you do with him? What would you ask, what would you want to learn, what would you teach him etc?
Hi coach - where can I submit questions?
Right here in the comments section!
@@RamseyDewey Thanks coach! I'm an assistant boxing coach at a gym and I have a very talented student who is getting bullied at school by students much older than him. I know - oldest story in the book right? The bullies seem like pretty bad people and I'm trying to steer my student away from an all out physical confrontation. Do you have any advise I could pass on? I feel as a coach I have to be more sensible about my opinions rather than just simply telling him to go 'beat them up' (which by the way most people were saying at the gym). Thanks again.
VR boxing will be really interesting in the future between people.
Do a proper Dempsey falling step and actually show it with your lead leg, u already did show it with a cross(right),the other video you only talked about it.
Can you even do it with your lead leg,Jack Dempsey sure can!
I´ve been recently on some "league" local boxing tournament. It was shocking for me because those kids around their 20s were so skilled-their head movements, power in punches and mental toughtness cought me off guard. The event was held in some old ugly house, paint was coming off the walls, there were like 10 people around the ring and those guys were not in fights anymore. It was war. Brutal fuc*ing war.
Not that I know nothing about boxing or fighting. I´m a kicboxing hobbyist but I allways prefered gym and working out. When my friend (whom I´m helping with gym related stuff) stepped into the ring I was nervous as hell.
This is the side of of combat sport that every "fan" of professionall MMA or other trendy stuff needs to see- you are there with your friend and now its all up to him. You recentlly saw a kid knocking out another kid, gypsies and football hooligans are all around you yelling some stupid stuff. It isn´t shiny nor cosmetic, you know damm well he can be badly injured next minute.
Hey Ramsey. I have a question about shadowboxing
Should all shadowboxing routines be simulations of fights, or can there be slight deviations from that? Coach Barry Robinson, for example, is a strong advocate of shadowboxing like you're in a fight. Also, some people, like those in the US army, say that you "sink to the level of your training" (paraphrasing) implying that things you do for training become habits that you carry into fights. Do you think this always applies?
Good reminder coach👍🙏
Hey ramsey, got a question for you, but first some context: so a few days ago my gym had a summer party at the main coaches house, and there was several altrecations at said party, 2 of witch involve a guy ill call John, long story short John almost started fighting with 2 seperate members of the club at 2 seperate ocasions, one of witch got a little physical, no punches were thrown but 3-4 people me included had to tear him and member nr 2 off of one another, the main coach was away dealing with another altrecation somewhere else so he diddent see the altrecation take place (he was there for the first one), after all this i was worried that this would create problems durring classes so i had a talk with the main coach and he basicly said "ive had a talk with both of them, nothing more i can do", in the days after the party ive heard from multiple people that John aparently had brought cocaine to the party and had tried to push it on to another member and that he has on several ocasions tried to start street fights at bar’s and other places, this leads up to today’s story, we have recently had a big cleaning day at the gym, and a few days before i put out a message on the gyms group chat that if anyone had any clothes laying arround that they had to let me know before the cleaning day or else they would be thrown out (there had been growing a pile of old workout clothes that people had just left at the gym) and no one came forth so when the day came we threw out nearly all the clothes that had just been left arround the gym, fast forward to today i get a message from John, where he basicly demands that i buy him a new shirt cause aparently one of the shirts that was left was his, i told him that he should have let me know beforehand, and that he cant come and demand to get a new shirt just cause he had left his lying arround at the gym (the clothes had been lying arround for months, and i suspect that said shirt had been at the gym for a decent ammount of time beforehand) , he awnsered that he dident care and that i better have gotten him a new one by next training, my question is what should i do? Im worried that the main coach wont do anything about this even if i present him with the evidence, and i wont train with someone that i dont think i can trust my physical wellbeing with, i dont feel safe going back to the gym now because of this, and even if the situation resolves itself (i checked, and his shirt hadent been thrown out) i still wont feel safe training with someone that would send threatening messages to someone at 02 in the morning. Any tips for dealing with this situation?
Tell the rest of the guys about it.
We used to do that in school. Coach would pull out the gloves and let us go at it if there was a problem. The good old days!!
Every time we played a "martial arts tournament" with my friends, we set rules to forbid going for the head, neck or anything in that are, plus no nut shots. This was a safety measurement. Anyway i would not call it a responsible practice because sometimes one misses and hit a vital spot by accident. (in these cases the hitter got disqualified immediately. Now that we are adults we play videogames for the thrill of competition and sportmanship.
Boxing has way too much glorification to it, from Hemingway to Rocky. Can't help butbwonder if that softens people's thinking of it in the culture.
Just a couple of days ago a BJJ practitioner, a friend of a friend of mine, who has done moderate amount of striking in the past got sucker punched in the eye in a "friendly" sparring session with a kickboxing white belt which resulted in him needing two surgeries and being banned from *ALL combat sports for life* by the doctors. I live and breathe my combat sports but to take the potential risks lightly especially in under-trained individuals is utterly dumb.
Want to settle your differences with a person in a playful fight? Fight in a Tekken (7, 6, 5, 4 or 3) match! The closest a video game can get to a combat sports fight imo.
Exactly, it’s sweet science. My favorite scientist back in the day was Bernard Hopkins.
You told the truth. God bless You.
Are super man punches illegal in boxing? And if not why are they not used?
Not illegal afaik but you can't throw kicks so raising your knee to throw a superman punch is just telegraphing rather than feinting. The most similar technique in boxing would be a gazelle punch I think.
They’re completely legal as long as you land it properly, but it’s usually not the most viable option. It has a lot of room for landing illegally somewhere like the back of the head and it’s telegraphed so it would be easier for an experienced boxer to defend against. However, occasionally you do see some stuff like gazelle punches being used by greats like Rocky Marciano, but yeah it’s legal but not common
they're typically used fake a jump front kick. He already has a video on it.
A Superman punch is a follow up to a fake kick. Without kicking, it doesn’t make sense. There’s no rule against it in boxing, but it’s not going to work out in your favor.
Oh wow, thanks for answering my question! Thanks for your opinion and time.
I'm coming here after seeing the other video about the Creator Clash...would you have made the same points about safety if they had a grappling tournament instead?
The point about safety = blunt force trauma to the brain is terrible. That’s not part of grappling.
Makes sense
I was just asking because grappling arts are combat sports too...I just wanted to make sure I understood your point. It seems like your problem is when people do dangerous things without full understanding of the risks, rather than the fact that casuals are doing combat sports (because grappling is also a combat sport).
Exercise is better to release anger !
I think he's talking about a pen and paper role-playing game that he's running, where the players are supposed to (SUPPOSED TO) be collaborating with each other. Now, I'm no boxer, but I *have* GMed many a pen and paper role-playing game and...
If things have gotten *so bad* that he's asking this question, he's probably thinking "maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I just let these fuckers kill each other, just to give me some peace and quiet".
It's like a Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies TPK, but in real life!
Your videos are awesome! Thank-you.
Here's the thing; if video games or simple challenges don't settle a dispute, then the dispute isn't a game either. Sometimes the way people feel isn't a game. Sometimes people have to settle a dispute with a duel because for some, blood DOES need to be spilled, and we can't murder each other in a civilized world. I do agree however that people need to realize that combat sports are about spilling blood before they sign up. I do still think it's their right to fight each other but I also think that right comes with the responsibility of knowing what that entails. This is coming from a guy who knows what violence is like firsthand. Combat sports further help you to understand violence.
I've been boxing maybe over 20 years and I can tell you boxing isn't a game you can just pick up. Although I go to a regular gym these days, I still train in the boxing area they've got. Gym trainers and gym bros would occasionally spar thinking they could probably box are always in for a rude awakening as I easily just play with them even though they are much much bigger than me. I'm not the strongest or fastest guy but my boxing foundation is solid. I've sparred with pro boxers and pro MMA fighters (just in boxing). At one point I was even a sparring partner of a friend who fought in OneFC to prepare him in his fights. And in those spars I've been KOed twice - both times with body shots. In one of those KOs I couldn't breathe properly for a month.
Rob Roy is in my top ten (100ish) movies. Thank you Coach.
I haven’t seen it. Maybe I’ll check it out.
With the advent of simunnititon, which is safe with eye and groin protection but hurts like hell, I don't know why people talk about solving their agression with boxing instead of old timey duels.
Mr. Dewey, I have a possibly stupid question, then. Is there any combat sports related activity, format etc. you could maybe recommend people willing to host something like this "creator clash" instead of "go-to boxing"? Or is it something nobody should really be flirting with given that we're talking about people who can only realistically train for a few months before the show?
Ramsey I have a Question:
As a fellow member the LDS church, have you ever been ridiculed or judged by anyone from our faith for your choice of interest or career? I know a few people who would at least see an LDS mma fighter as strange. In addition, has anyone OUTSIDE of the faith claimed you were hypocritical or something for this reason?
From my experience, a good number of people in our faith do martial arts. My ward even has its own wrestling club for elders quorum
No, I never got any flack from anyone in the church about combat sports. I get disparaging TH-cam comments once in a while from random people saying that it’s hypocritical for a Christian for fight. I’ve covered that specific topic in several videos.
As far as being ridiculed for a career- the only career I ever got any major backlash from anyone for was professional dancing. I used to perform with several ballet and modern dance companies. I have a dance degree. None of the ridicule was religiously based though- just the typical “men shouldn’t participate in fine performing arts because it makes me feel uncomfortable!” types.
When my son turns sixteen, I want to send him to kickboxing classes. What do you think?
Did UWCB a few years ago. For those who don't know, it's where you do eight weeks free training then have a fight, all to raise money for Cancer Research UK. Our trainer said before everything else that he could drop dead any second from a brain aneurysm caused by a professional fight he was in ten years ago. And that anyone can receive serious brain damage or death when they step into the ring.
The number of people who signed up dropped from 60 to 30 after that speech. Most of our training was sparring, starting light and building it up over the weeks. And I was threatened with having my hands duct taped or stapled to my head multiple times for not keeping my guard up.
Any trainer who does not emphasise the risks involved with boxing should not be training.
I beg to differ. Boxing is a game I played at the arcade. It was 25 cents per game and I got pretty good.
I used to box my friends a lot when I was young, but a lot of us already trained