Understanding the Chinese Navy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2022
- Captain Jim Fanell, U.S. Navy (Ret.)-noted expert on the Chinese Navy, former Director of Intelligence for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and frequent Proceedings contributor-will provide an in-depth briefing on the Chinese Navy, its operations, and shipbuilding programs.
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When WWII started we already had the greatest industrial resources in the world, so channeling it into naval, army, and air assets was relatively easy. Made easier by the fact we weren't fighting on our own soil. Today, we don't have that industrial infrastructure. We aren't self-sufficient. It is scary! Worse than after WWII and after Korea. We aren't ready for a massive world threat. Mao made it clear over 70 years ago China hated the "Paper Tiger" and we have largely ignored them.
We could probably do very well in ramping up construction of aircraft and ground combat systems, because we have a huge civilian auto and aircraft industry that could be converted (although not as easily as in WWII because of increased complexity). But when it comes to naval construction, we have really let ourselves fall behind, and even on a full war footing, it would take 2-3 years just to reopen all our old naval shipyards and train workers, much less actually starting construction on new ships in those yards. We don’t need to wait. We need to spend about $50-100 billion to double or triple our naval construction capacity, and then order enough ships to keep it in business.
Plus, we are in Trillion of dollars in debt
No, we did not enter the War right way. We waited to build up the resources, people, and plans. Right now, we have a lack of advanced STEM Degree people...1. We need to get rid of waivers for officer who do not have STEM Degrees. Advance STEM degree should highly encourage for mid grade to senior officer. We need to take action against officer pretending or lie they have advance STEM degree. It is easy now...liars says they are engineers and they can't type... Old fart in the old day had huge office pools... Does not work now.... Stop outsourcing/offsourcing especially to Russia, China and allies, the trade schools give too many of the STEM degree to foreign officers while the other classmate get bullshit degree other than STEM degrees....PS..."I thought you had a history degree"
And the differnce to ww2 is, that china is in the position of the u.s. before the war.
And the u.s. is in the Position of japan.
I've been reading Captain Fennells work for years-just awesome.
Echelon jumping is serious, but, in that context:
Cunningham said, It takes the Navy three years to build a ship. It will take three hundred years to build a new tradition.
1/3 of the way through -- awesome presentation!
I like the idea of the unmanned ships. Increasing those would help.
Saildrone is an interesting firm in that space.
Haha.. China has thought about it and has built many underwater drones for the last 10 years..
To welcome the US navy in the pacific and sink them all..
Heck, the Chinese even converting their old J7 (Mig21) fighter jets into drones too.
All these of course needs AI. And Chinese AI is more advanced than the US.
@@IndiAnFasod All Chicomm propaganda. The only thing good about it, is it is free. But you cannot eat it. So, why would you want it?
problem is, who maintains unmanned ships? who does battle damage on unmanned ships? who refuels and reloads unmanned ships?
@@SoloRenegade people.
I was doing some work for the Navy in 1995. I had the opportunity to talk with a couple analysts. They told me then that we might be in a shooting war with China by 2020. Things seem to have moved in that trajectory.
Will US ever let any independent nation which is not it's naval state to grow !?
In the 1990, I was getting my first graduate degree...The problem I see now is that we might not have the advance STEM Degree with military experience to kick start American Industrial might once conflict rises. Historically, we don't react to actual war...We join six months to two year later waiting for the Military Industrial Complex kicks in. We have depend too much to outsourcing...we technically are STUPID. One or two officers in a STEM with US Accredited Real PHDS and master will not make a dent...It is a number game. Facts is Facts...For example, the COVID quarantine, who exactly was giving out shots... We now have a shortage of nurse with US Accredited Bachelor Degrees in Nursing...
@@rgloria40 Why is there a shortage of nurses with college education?
@@JustinRM20 Have you seen the hospital strikes especially on the west coast? They complaining about long hours, low pay and shortages of qualified nurses as excuse
Same question ask in 1960's Vietnam, "why are you fighting us?", Viet Con reply: Because you are here!!!
Note where the Navel battle would be if China vs USA.... The China Sea.
American since then, still have not learn, they will not be going home.
US Navy of 1946 show China the way: th-cam.com/video/phKPb5-WyF8/w-d-xo.html
New sub to the channel and an eye-opening topic. Excellent introduction and review. Go NAVY!
SIMPLE THEY CARRY HYPERSONIC MISSILE WHICH USA CANT STOP....PERIOD
Jim Fanell comes up with some very dangerous ideas about sending a carrier to the Taiwan Strait. This move may be the provocation to a BIG HOT WAR which Jim and other war monger are eager to do ! And when it comes to promote the contraction of China's economy, try telling the to our American entrepreneur and see if they will comply with the economic attack ( which will naturally affect our U.S. economy adversely ) !
Yes, let go Navy: th-cam.com/video/phKPb5-WyF8/w-d-xo.html
"steal/stole/...", if US cannot admit it's lagging in some areas, US never catches up.
A lot of Anglo-American think tankers are operating in a fantasy world by believing their own propaganda and misinformation.
US far behind
Playing victim mindset lost the war already!
Did you listen to anything that he said
New thief calling out the old thief. Doesn't thieving something not in existence yet is called innovation ?
Excellent video….as a US Navy Veteran, it’s a very interesting topic
Well done, very insightful
I am a naval analyst with the USN. I am a specialist in wargaming and I thought this was great.
My name is Brian Gregg,
If you're doing wargaming for the Navy and think this is great then the Navy needs better people. You're a 🤡
Y'all are overhyping China's naval strength with the tacit approval of the Military Industrial complex. The US has allies JAPAN, S. KOREA and AUSTRALIA. Not to mention The US is a NATO member. Also those artificial islands are indefensible if a war starts.
@@briangregg8581 oh really?
Hello Brian Gregg, I'm Dai Xiaotong, I play Rule The Wave 3, sometimes I get called to give insight about some scenarios and situations.
First time I've heard of Mr. Fanell. Wouw, what an interview! A true pleasure to listen to someone who really knows what he's talking about and not just being emotional about a theme! I felt I got a real insight to a subject many people have an emotional opinion of. Thx a lot!
Lies again? Institute College Chinese Food
You don't think Fannel's view of China being the threat to global security and humanity instead of world military hegemon USA is emotional? You think he is standing on moral high ground?
Most Americans are deluded about the level of risk America and its allies are under. I'm glad someone like Fannel is there to show us why China is the "pacing threat". We have to do more in the Pacific.
The Chinese navy floats on water until they do something stupid and then they all sink in water. Technically Japan has no aircraft carriers. Technically Japan is not a nuclear power either. The carriers are called helicopter boats. Their nukes are stored disassembled. Japan can become an actual nuclear power in a couple weeks. Japanese Marines have been training with American Marines since 2017. Japan, Taiwan and the Philippines are more than a match for a broken down communist crap hole.
@@deker0954 I hope you are not an American because Uncle Sam is about to lose his pants economically and geopolitically.
Have you heard of this adage 'it's the economy, stupid!'?
Great podcast and guest. I share his concerns.
correction: the 055 destroyers will be escorting the new flattop emals carriers (003, 004, 005?). All 8 055 are not in active service. 8 more new variants are being built. The Type 075 HLD you showed is not 15,000 tons, its about 45,000s fully loaded and 3 are in active service already.
Could we just use the Burke destroyer design remove the turbines and in place large diesel engines in there. Remove the hanger, add more vls or atacms for quick response, and 2 RAM launchers. Reduce manning and increase the quality of life. Add storage for 28 to 35 days out and have them switch off and return to port and then back to station.
Just idea from a CS1.
In the commercial sector especially in offshore, there is a shortage of ship building yard. Hence, Hulls arev built in other european countries (Romania and Poland ) come to mind. So what the Norwegians do is outsource hulls tow the incomplete vessel and finish them in Norway. A sort of semi-production line.
I like the idea of the reactivating vessels in the mothball fleet, we can do that including modernizing them and utilize them to fill in the gaps. Of course we need to have personnel to man them, too which includes ways to recruit new people. I saw the ships in mothballs in the mid 60s as I was mustering out and we had a lot of metal then
That will all take more money…and between the far left and the debt hawks on the right it will probably be a no go.
Yup!
Isn't the mothball fleet full of aging hulls that are non stealthy and are lacking in power generation? This would mean they aren't suited to taking on power-hungry modern systems and with all of the costs associated with reactivating, modernising and crewing them you would still end up creating vulnerable targets for modern anti-ship missiles. Although building modern platforms are expensive I think they really are a better investment. You have stealthier, more survivable ships that are able to operate better sensors and systems and are ready from the drawing board to host big banks of VLS cells.
Given the constricted environment of the South China sea I think more investment in drone technologies would also be good for the USN as well. Underwater drones, surface drones and aerial drones. Anything to increase the effective reach without exposing the big expensive crewed platforms.
In a few years the infinite wisdom of the US Navy, the USS Nimitz aircraft Carrier will be cut up instead of lend leased to our allies such as Japan, France, Germany or Britain! Better yet Taiwan 🇹🇼 The political joint chief of staffs at the pentagon never fail to amaze me in their collective stupidity! Makes me wonder what side their on? 🇺🇸
Turn them into ai controlled vessels.. Load up old f16s f4s send them on missions with no return... If worse come to worse.
Not only that China outnumbers the US in shipyards 19 to 7, but the 7 shipyards in the US, are failing to deliver the ships on schedule.
Add to it they produce at a much more rapid pace....
@@TP-ie3hj Add to it they produce better quality products than the americans can. Lazy developed countries syndrome.
@@henrywidjaja9631 China makes what they are asked to make. Cheap stuff...as well as premium and they have mastered both. One does not have to believe in a lie in order to see the truth. Both the US and China manufacture high end products. Both have very high tech abilities. I do believe today China has some clear advantages.
@@TP-ie3hj If you see some simple statistics of Tesla car defect rates, u can see the obvious quality difference in China made teslas and US made ones. The defect rates in China is significantly lower than the Americans. No lies here.
@@henrywidjaja9631 To take that info and assume Chinese shipbuilding follows the same pattern is idiotic.
The presentation is profound.
They have been modernizing at a insane rate
50:51 nah.. You're good.. You have the zumwalt class.. Give you a suggestion how you can kill a million Chinese sailors.. Just sail to China and do a port call.. Dock physically in a Chinese port.. Any Chinese sailors who saw the zumwalt will DIE laughing!
No Chinese die laughing just in camps
@@blueberrywilbur315 someone in the camps must have told them about the zumwalt or how the americans FLED Afghan lolololololol.. I think both jokes can kill anyone .. Not just the Chinese
We're all seeing zumwalt class are retiring after serving only 8 years while being built at the same time. Unseen in the whole naval history.
The Chinese consider their country to be the oldest civilisation in the world, they are also the second or possibly already the strongest economy in the world, they have the third biggest country by land area (bigger than the US and twice as big as Europe).
They have proven their abilities in the last 4 decades by achieving something that experts said was impossible.
They have living standards rapidly approaching western levels, they have experienced invasion by the Japanese, punitive military expeditions by the imperial powers and bullying by smaller but more advanced countries.
The western world has a long history of invading weaker countries, so now that China is a wealthy, advanced and powerful country, is it surprising that they are determined to protect their achievements?
The Chinese don't have a history of expansionism or attacking weaker countries, but the US and Europe certainly have.
The oldest civilizations are in the Middle East. What historically illiterate people in China, or elsewhere for that matter, think on it is irrelevant. China is the 2nd largest economy, though the EU as a block is very near them, and not all of Europe is EU. Rocks don't shoot. Most of China is undeveloped and 90% of its people live within strike distance of its shores. As for Chinese Imperialism, if you were correct then we'd not be talking about Taiwan. Taiwan is not China. The sooner delusional 五毛党 learn to accept that, the better for everyone. Oh, and Free Tibet
When ancient Chinese dynasties had the ability to travel vast distances to trade and conquer, they did. Anyone who ever had the ability to shape the world in the way they thought best, did and does it. The period of time that China spent minding its business was done so because during that period of time its business was not starving to death and deciding what specific type of totalitarianism would really tie the room together.
I get where your coming from man. You aren't making a crazy argument. It's just that the details aren't even going to matter much on this one.
It's going to come down to who's experimental form of government is best able to utilize its resources and partnerships in order to drown, starve, or bleed out the other. They look big, but so did the soviet union. I'm not saying i think China is all hype. They are an adversary unlike any we have faced before.
But we're reeeeaaaly good at this. Nit without cost, not without sacrifice beyond any of our generations comprehension. But the United States makes history every day. Every day, even as the Chinese build, we are the ones that reach out and touch. China, will do close to one of two things.
Collapses under its own weight because all of the lying and manufacturing of its economic documentation finally catches up with it and we see it's people rise up and overthrow the government that uses oppression and fear to keep its people working in an economy that produces whole cities full of buildings and infrastructure that sit empty and silent.
Or
China will continue to grow, both in size and in ability. If you've studied history much at all, you know that no geopolitical repositioning of that magnitude has ever been able to happen without war. Not the hearts and minds kind either. The worst kind, but in some ways, the truest and most honest kind. Someone could make an argument that a war like that would be the most honest kind. Like locking two men in a barrel full of water leaving only enough air on top for one head to fit. Questions like whos right or wrong, who's to blame and how it could have been avoided will all be left for later generations if any should exist.
These are wild times we're living in bros. Historically wild anyway. Situations like Ukraine and Afghanistan and all the headlines of the past 100 years even, they changed the world in huge ways, molded who we are and that's no small thing, but regimes are always coming and going, like the wars that birthband kill them. But the gravity of the situation in question between the United States Of America and the CCP is not only earth shattering beyond comprehension, even having studied historical warfare, but the situation is statistically probable. That's the scary whisper part. No two nations even close to our size and power have ever been able to reposition themselves without nearly erasing everyone involved.
I'll see you gents at the party. Enjoy every day, got a lot to be grateful for.
They "achieved" that increase solely with Western money coming in and setting up factories and the CCP skimming. The CCP has done nothing to improve China.
Whatever you think China was in the past has nothing to do with what the CCP is doing today. They are trying to corrupt and subvert the whole world. They don’t care about the Chinese people at all. So prideful and arrogant, ruthless and deceptive. They are taking China down a self-destructive path.
China's the only ancient superpower still on top for a reason. They unite and rise back up time and time again. It is the very idea of "china" as a civilization state that is unkillable. Just like terrorism is unkillable.
China is VERY good at assimilating, even coming out on top being militarily defeated like with mongols. China knows how to survive and come back on top. That is just a part of the natural cycle and part of life. China will rise and fall and rise and fall and rise over enough time. China will still exist. Will USA in another 5000 years? I doubt it.
No civilization has been as successful and as long as China.
The military industrial complex always need an enemy to fight or bye bye funding
Exactly. "Brought to you by Lockheed Martin" prefaced the alarmist presentation.
The same sort of overhyping was rife during the Cold War, claiming Russia could do this and they now have this and in 5 years blah blah blah. All designed to justify the existence of defense contractors.
That being said, you DO need to keep working on military tech, modernization, and giving the personnel of the military industrial complex work to do lest they move to other sectors or heaven forbid retire before training a new crop of engineers for the next generational conflicts.
It's a fine balance. There will never be a US/CCP war. China has too many existential threats to its existence (demographic shift, no food or energy security, a teetering economy) to gamble on a war of aggression. The CCP's only goal, despite all of its BS wolf warrior rhetoric, is staying in power. The CCP fear the Chinese population, and the PLA is only designed as a domestic police force, nothing more. The PLAN expansion is to try to ensure that the Malaka Straits are not choked off, cutting off shipborne imports to the mainland. It's a defense force, and wisely so.
@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Tell me you didn’t listen to anything without telling me 😂😂😂😂 Raytheon clearly stated 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I enjoyed listening to these two experts as they make the case for our national security in the South Pacific and what strategic actions America's Navy needs to act on. Awesome!
“National” security in South Pacific? Just remind us where America is.
@@ideally6849 The ideally.. excuse me.. the idea is to curb aggression in the South Pacific so it does not extend elsewhere.. such as to where America is.
@@Old.Man.Of.The.Mountain it is making America less secure, for the benefit of MIC.
NATIONAL SECURITY ? OR IS IT WORLD DOMINATION ? I CHERISH THE DAY THE CHINESE NAVY ROAM THE WEST COAST OF AMERICA TO CONDUCT FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION OPERATIONS !
@@Old.Man.Of.The.Mountain 美国保护世界安全？阿富汗？伊拉克？塞尔维亚？1952年中国警告美国不能过38线，美国不听，结果被打回去了。越南战争中国警告美国不能过17线，这次美国学乖了没有过线，2016中美南海对峙，是古巴导弹危机后最大的军事对峙，只不过上次是苏联撤军，这次是美国撤军。2023年，美国有什么实力和中国抗衡？31万亿的债务？9000亿军费下水的船比中国少的多？阿富汗胜利撤军？三发响尾蛇拖靶两发打气球？接近20%的通胀？东亚是亚洲人的地盘，不是你美国人随便撒野的地方。
Mooch and Capt. Fanell truly excellent episode. Yes while we LCS ($20billion) and Zmwlted ($22billion) they churn out 6?8?12? Type 055 destroyers a year. We could have bought a whole bunch of FREMM Connies for that.
The USD 42 billions = 40 Type 055 destroyers (at USD 1 billion each).
By 2030, China would have 20 Type 055/055A, 35-40 Type 052D/E and of course around 12 s of the older destroyers.. Type 052C, Sovremeny and others
No US naval assets currently match up with the type 055 in size, except of Zumwalt.
But we know that Zumwalt is a joke. It was built for littoral combat against the likes of Iraqs etc, who doesn't have satellite.
Unlike submarine that can hide under the sea, a "stealth" Zumwalt can be easily spotted by Chinese satellite and radar.
We wasted 50 billion at least on those two garbage platforms. Forget the FREMMs, with 50 billion we coulda had 18 freaking Seawolfs over the past 20 years instead of the pathetic force of 3 we have now. 18 Seawolfs would annihilate every CCP boat in the South China Sea - each one can carry 50 Tomahawks, and with the Maritime Strike Tomahawk just around the corner, that's 900 cruise missiles flooding the SCS all at once from invisible Seawolfs hundreds of miles away. Not a single Chinese carrier, cruiser, destroyer, or assault ship based in the area would survive.
@@r.s.w.k4569 18 Seawolf? hahahahaha. Firstly, nuclear subs are not suitable for Taiwan scenario, because of the shallow water, it can almost be seen from satellite.
Second, China has littered the SCS with underwater probes.. thirdly, 50 tomahawks can obliterate the Chinese navy? Dude, your mushroom is really strong 🤣
@@IndiAnFasod lol are you retarded? Or a dumb Chinee bot? Tomahawk has 1200 mile range. Seawolfs dont need to be anywhere near SCS lol.
And with 18 Seawolf subs which can each launch 50 of them, that's NINE HUNDRED CRUISE MISSILES all at once. Even if only 25 percent hit, that's already 250 dead Chinee ships.
Seawolf subs are quieter, faster, and more advanced than anything on Earth when it comes to underwater warfare. 18 of them would wreck any navy on Earth lol.
@@r.s.w.k4569 You must be a new breed of a dumb f**k, cause you supersede the rest for being a dumb f**k.
You assume all missiles can hit without being hit.. Damn, you are laughable.
China will sink all the 7th fleet, that's guaranteed.
yes you're just showing the preparations for war they have been making thank you I brought this up when I came back from there more than 20 years ago and everybody said I was crazy and I was talking about all the Navy ships they were building in their shipyards
@@Abhi-ly7nr well I suggest you run the same numbers for the rest of the shipyards in the world
@@Abhi-ly7nr and so could many shipyards around the world why do you suppose they're not doing it why do you suppose only that democracies have been steadily building to match the Chinese no single nation the group themselves outnumber them visibly
@@Abhi-ly7nr America has quite a few shipyards actually you're just not aware of it I guess
Same with Europe even Canada has a few
@UCQ9DH7fIM51t9Qiy5aI9HXQ well I guess I'm just lucky I had the pleasure of meeting the CEO of the China Industrial Development Bank at the southeast Asia steel conference in Thailand years ago and he invited me to come to their country and build plants that they would Finance me.
Your argument you use about the Chinese Tradesman welders fabricators yes this is true but it's the same everywhere not just China
thanks for the info
With all of that being said it is of great importance that we find non nuclear defensive capabilities to counter any nuclear threat.
Yeah we'll just let the other guys use their nukes first, so we'll have an excuse. Nuke war for everyone!
How about not starting s*** around the world that would be a good start
What?
@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj exactly
a statement made by a clown 🤡
Chinese aircraft carrier - Fujian's EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch system) is 1 generation ahead of the EMALS system onboard USS Gerald Ford: The Chinese design team learned that the U.S. USS Gerald Ford was struggling with their Emal system and realized that their MVAC was what gave them problems. They then quickly switched to developing their own HV/MVDC integrated electronics system. It turned out later that they made the right choice. This is a HUGE benefit and made all the difference: MVDC is a lot more stable, reliable, and versatile. Also, there's something else you don't know: The initial plan for Fujian was not Emals but a steam aircraft launch system. However, as China's MVDC integrated electronics system and later EMALS was developed, the Chinese engineers adjusted their plans. Long story short, they eventually completed both systems and had them running side by side to compare their efficacy, and EMALS came out on top. As a result, the original blueprint had to be readjusted to have structural changes to accommodate the new EMALS system while the steam catapult system was put into storage. The chief engineer received The August 1 Medal also known as the Order of Bayi directly from Xi Jinping on June 6, 2019, for his achievements. Only ten recipients so far in China's entire history.
🤣 Fujian's EMALS has NEVER been demonstrated. Claiming it's a generation ahead is just that, a claim.
@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj It did, but only to a small group of Central Military committee. And people in the knows in the us military are also aware, just like they are aware that 2 DF21s hit the targeted mock carriers in the SCS but chose to keep their mouth shut to avoid embarassment.
@@leonal522 Sure it did. Isn't that convenient. 🙄
Wow! No way! They hit a mockup?! That's... meaningless. U 🤡
@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj Have fun. You obviously care much more about rhetoric and ironies than reality and what it means for the balance bt the 2
@@leonal522 The reality is all our stuff works. Chinese stuff is just CCP propaganda. Never been tested. You guys are a joke and you know it. Otherwise you would've taken Taiwan by now instead of throwing temper tantrums when a US congress woman lands in Taipei. I could care less about rhetoric. I'm firmly grounded in reality. Why don't you point out this "irony" you speak of. Do you even know what irony means?
You may wish to consider writiing for or reading CIMSEC
We're decommissioning ships faster than we're building them
Numbers of ships don’t necessarily matter.
@@blueberrywilbur315 Chinese will agree with you 😅
@@randomguy7175 We have 7 times the ship tonnage of China. Way to respond a year old comment triggered much 🤡🤡
tremendous information. thank you both for sharing this with the citizens.
Before accusing China of expanding its naval power, Americans should think about whether the US would expand its naval power if China or Russia had naval bases in the eastern Pacific and the Caribbean.
American hegemony and American exceptionalism are the causes of America's sick worldview.
You just couldn't wake up who pretend to be asleep.
@威克 MacArthur was right! We should have nuked China in 1952. better late than never.
YOU ARE A CHINESE COLLABORATOR!
@威克 NOT GONNA HAPPEN
The DOD needs to increase our shipbuilding capacity immediately. We are falling behind on the construction of submarines and other types of ships, and the time to do this is not when we are in a fight and have to backfill losses.
waste of money
800 billion is not enough in defence spending per year !?
Is that a Golden Warrior plaque on the wall of your office? I was a Golden Warrior from 69-71.
I'm listening are the people that matter listening...as an American I believe when you have built something beautiful and transcendent you protect it at all costs.
its not like china going to invade u.s. it's other way round.
@@fdsaffff The US has absolutely no intention to invade anyone, CCP on the other hand would love to snuff out a democratic country called Tiawan, which the US has some treaty and if you ask me a moral responsibility to deter this at all costs. China is a revisionist power, certainly it's rhetoric is and given its Naval build up, I would take them seriously. Let's not forget that if China wanted to it could make N. Korea from being as belligerent as it is which threatens S. Korea and Japan. If Vietnam wants to work very closely with the US military, that should tell one something. No one wants war, no one wants to blockade China, nothing of the sort, the US and especially the countries in the region don't want to have to pay some tribute to the CCP to sail a ship into their harbors nor have their fisherman be rammed by CCP coast guard in their own EZ, all because of some made up line and man made military bases in the SCS. Empirically the facts tell you who is the aggressor in the area and if you do not think it's CCP you are either blind or working for them.
@@--Dani its like china is sailing to the coast of california, and saying we need to protect china. lol
@@fdsaffff just wait for the surface ships its coming, you think there's no CCP SSN or even SSBNs off the coast...think again.
not built, but stole and genocide.
Thank you Jim for saying that sinking PLAN is the sole purpose of US Navy. That's the best compliment that I've ever heard for PLAN😉
Purpose of US Navy is to protect national interests, and insure freedom of navigation, along trade routes. As well as honor commitments made to other countries. I have a question. In you opinion. Would. Xi resort to nukes if the war was turning into a catastrophe for him. I've read where some of your general staff want to nuke carriers at the onset.
@@jonasbarbury4013 Attacking an aircraft carrier does not require nuclear weapons. China has df21d, df26, and df27 under development. I think the question that should be discussed is: If the US aircraft carrier is sunk, will the US use nuclear weapons? If the US escalates the situation, China will escalate too.
Outsourcing is the key It built up their manufacturing base Give them knowledge and technology
Like barbed wire and machine guns in WWI, technology developments may give an advantage
to defensive positions. Lasers would provide an unlimited, accurate and quickly retargetable defense. Missiles could be fired at carriers or Taiwan all day without harming them. They are currently deployed but require considerable upgrades to defend against a missile attack.
That's pie in the sky star trek fantasy land. An ablative or mirror like coating on the missile would totally defeat any threat from lasers.
@@telesniper2 Mirror like coatings will reflect low powered lasers. Not the type the U.S. Navy would use.
@@garnetstewart3461 it would reflect 99.99 % of the energy. So a 100kw laser only delivers 10w to target. Fail
@@telesniper2 Mirrror coatings degrade over time. High speed flight accelerates the process. Also, a high power laser that maintains contact
with an ablative coated target can burn through the coating.
@@telesniper2 You think the US and China would be spending billions developing lasers if you could defeat them by simply putting a shiny coating on things? Umm...ok.
Its not Jiangnan Dao, it is ChangXing Dao (Or ChangXing Island, ChangXing means "live long and prosper"). JiangNan (means south of the river) is the name of the ship yard.
Can anyone share what is it that China is doing that the US has not already done or is still doing today to protect its national security and sovereignty?
What is the US navy doing in in the South China Sea and Indian Ocean? Is China navy sailing in the Western Pacific or off the America coast?
US navy is the strongest in every department
@@user-pr7ph8fk1z the Houthis are dying laughing at your joke dude.
@@CJ-Fortes_Atque_Fidelis Dying definitely 🤦♂️🤣🤣
One more thing.... IF the Navy can get the LCS figured out, the hulls that aren't going to be used for SUW and MCM... they could make them the "Mothership" for LUSV's. Take these and have them operate in in the South China around all the contested islands toting LUSV's. We need to think outside the box.
Great information, thanks to the former naval officer.
Excellent questions from those watching. Insightful answers from C. Fanell. Good point about narrowing our focus & STOP BUYING chinesium gizmos.
I am glad to hear that point - they’ve taken our hard learned lessons and learned them the easy way. That’s a huge reason why they’ve come leaps and bounds. That’s why people who lament it took us decades to learn those skills and so the PLA can’t be as good. Well that’s wrong. The PLA realized it doesn’t take decades to learn. Only one decade by not making the mistakes we did.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Gushing little puppet. You haven't got a clue.
You don't learn to fight a war and win by watching war movies.
Those islands are like stationary aircraft carriers. So if that is the case they have x2 carrier fleet! Reminds me of the battle of midway where Nimitz landed aircraft on the island to supplement the carriers.
And those island carriers are sitting ducks.
@@alpine9996 just like Pearl Harbor and Taiwan
Excellent presentation!
23:04 to 23:14, exactly what the U.S. has been doing for the last 70 years.
What about if the US just sought to in peace and get along with China and stop interfering in their internal affairs.
What if the US instead focused on improving the quality of life for the average American citizen. Focused on protecting the Southern border and stopped the flow of illegal drugs and pain killers that is devastating so many American communities.
What if the US spent its money on building up its infrastructure, its education system, its health care system and a good social safety net for its citizens.
That US will become to China, but impossible
Agree, but that won’t happen unless the people in the US organize themselves and take on Washington.
US can’t. It is already a “broken” country that is deeply in debt. The reasons that it still floats is due to the hegemony in US$ and the military might that maintains it. If a challenger comes breaks either one, the whole house of cards will fall (may already beginning to fall). See Ray Dalio’s “Changing world order”. Once US$ loses dominance, it will find it is worse shape than Argentina with 100% inflation of it’s currency. So US is desperately trying to hold back the tide. We will see WW3 before it all goes down. Mark my words.
Good suggestions, but you will need a communist party to get all these things done. Capitalism doesn't give shit to lift poor people's lives.
USA has a very inferior political system to compete with China.
Korean and Taiwan can build ship with 1/4 the cost of United States Ship Yards.
If US is seriously to grow its surface fleet, US needs to consider "friend-sourcing" ship building, while keeping the few shipyards that is alive on existing contracts.
I don't see why the US can't strike a deal with some Korea/Taiwan, buy some of their ship yard, take 100% control of them, send US personal to co-manage the yards, and leveraged the cheaper labor and speed up the ship building, the US can literally double the production capacity with half the price.
Greetings from Europe. Loved it! Impressive info!
The main elephant in the room is everyone's got nuclear weapons so they're banking on no one making a move because both sides have access to said weapons.
The Taiwan issue is that the US (and certainly not UK or France) will not use nukes in defense of Taiwan. And, this is really the crux, same as with Ukraine and Russia. The major powers are at odds over 3rd parties. China has no capacity to actually harm the US proper, short of ICBMs. But, they can harm people we have close ties to. Its a matter of asymmetric power vs asymmetric interests.
Mr Fanell talks about how the Chinese were able to hit a moving target from many miles' way with their DF21/26 Anti-Ship balletic missiles, but did this moving target have a way to defend itself?
I would like to think that the US navy has a contingency plan for those missiles, I Hope
弹道导弹再入大气层以后达到十倍多音速，请问什么导弹防御系统可以拦截？
@@user-id2sx7kk1m Since this person who made this comment did not have the intestinal fortitude to make their comments in English, then I will translate it for you:
"After ballistic missiles re-enter the atmosphere, they reach more than ten times the speed of sound, what missile defense system can intercept?"
It seems to me that if someone can read English, they should be able to write in English. Anyone reading this should report this person's channel to TH-cam!
Please enlighten us what the US navy has to defend itself from the anti ship ballistic missiles traveling at mach 10!!
@@lenthokchom SM6
@@blueberrywilbur315 the mach 3.5 intercepting the Mach 10??? I highly doubt it.
this is so uplifting
Thank you!
WOW! Holy cow, this guy knows a lot. His interpretations are immensely accurate. I hope the powers that be are listening? Sobering indeed.
tremendous information. thank you both for sharing this with the citizens.. Excellent video….as a US Navy Veteran, it’s a very interesting topic.
How "topic" did not mention, China would welcome the US Navel Fleet, 10 fold of 1946 shown: th-cam.com/video/j3uKH5g3q_8/w-d-xo.html That was 1946, it's 2023, China can do better....
Captain Jim knows what he is talking about specially about what happens in the Pacific, its not just about the number of ships or submarines but the quality as well, China is looking at the USN's advantage with regards to technology on its platform plus its numbers in areas which can affect them kinetically, and the other Navies that is USN pattern such as the Japanese Navy, Korean Navy and for some extent the Aussie Navy, the only thing right now is that the PLAN is maturing its platforms and its crew which is unlike the land and to some extent the air force could not train or perform wartime drills the same as what the chinese navy can train for at sea in peacetime. The USN and the USN alone is the sole survivable service to operate in the pacific with the ranges in the map which makes it complicated.
He doesn’t know much about technology that is for sure . Just from the describe of china electrical magnetic catapult on China aircraft carriers, i know he know very little about china navy.
Believing the Japanese Navy, Korean Navy and Aussie Navy be there after the first strike, wishful thinking, for China will use "home ground" advantage. Like: th-cam.com/video/phKPb5-WyF8/w-d-xo.html anywhere US Base lay. With regards to island of Taiwan. At war, China need the island but not the 24 millions population. China PLA doctrine in time of war: One for the million. China have 1.4 Billion.
On the point.
I am not a Navy sailor, but one thing I understand: the Chinese Navy is growing fast and furious, and - in not too distant future - it will dwarf the combined navies of the US and its allies.
Great presentation and I’m All on board with beefing up the Navy. In the long run our system is more diverse and open to new ideas, so we need to prove it by outgrowing an out innovating the Chinese, and doing a better job of keeping trade and military secrets. Stopping trade however would drag down both countries and create a slippery slope to war. It would make Putin happy, but at this point he just wants chaos.
Future belongs to Russia.. When China and US fight.. The Russian Empire will rise from ashes...
Like the Ukraine War, YES, let USA continue to use up their resources said China and Russia. For not noted, US Navel fleets are worldwide using up their resources as China, never taking them out beyond their own borders...
Former US President Reagan idea did work and as so, China comply to the idea...
Interesting video but please don't tell me "America stands for the values of small nations" we all know that America just wants its own interests
It doesn't matter if a nation was to fall or people were to starve America just wants its own interests and history is the biggest example
Other than that it seemed a really good video I've actually learned quite something from it, it's rare to see things these days talking about serious stuff instead of how to identify as a banana movement
But I do have a question tho, since you're explaining solutions here doesn't it mean the Chinese would also know them? I know the only way you'd say solutions in public to such matter is if there were other ones classified (or if there was no solution made yet at all), but eitherways yeah this actually stimulated my curiosity a little
btw, china also wants its own interest and never a true friend yo small countries
@@gerardojereza7076
Never said china was an angel
All I said was all countries search for their own interests and that includes the US
Read well before answering
@@gerardojereza7076 This is account og Greek Finiance Minister..task with re negotiating contracts with China....He was expecting a fight...totally shocked...they said OK ! He went on to compare.."Imagine...how this will go...if it's American or European...contract "
The US Navy has to keep some of the Tico's in service until enough Flight III Burkes are available in quantity. Then the Flight III's can serve as temporary CSG air warfare commander until DDG(X) arrives. The Navy also needs to extend the service life of the early Burkes. The hulls and propulsion systems are in good shape. We need the VLS tubes. I don't they I don't think there is any way to keep the Tico's in service until DDG(X) arrives as they will be pushing 50+ years old and they have major plant and structural issues. You also have the unknown of the the Large Unmanned Surface Vehicle (LUSV). If each CSG totes around a couple of these, that makes up for the loss in VLS tubes. However, you have to be able to command these things. There is hardly enough space on Flight III Burkes for the added staffing for the AA Boss role let alone commanding LUSV's.
Please send carrier strike group through the Taiwan straight frequently which would provide opportunities and scenario for our calculation and practices.
It's an interesting point about US investment in China, and how a percentage of that money makes its way into the Chinese military. But it cuts both ways, surely: China invests about 1/3 of the amount in the US, so surely some of that money works its way into funding the US military, by virtue of basic economics. On a like-for-like basis, though, at the present time the US would be better placed to absorb a loss of that investment than China would. It would likely cause a certain amount of economic pain that would have to be justified to American consumers and investors. But the geostrategic argument is sound.
China’s investment goes into Marxist ideology programs that promote all the retarded shit kids are being indoctrinated with to fuck with the west’s social stability
Walmart supports the PLAN’s expansion by selling 80% of all its goods that are made in China. Please stop buying Made in China.
This is true. I agree 100% that the US is in a much better position to weather the economic storm of decoupling from China. China has very little in the way of domestic fuel supplies, and it can’t feed its population without substantial imports (unless they think they can live off just rice and wheat). China has very vulnerable supply lines. Meanwhile, the US can be self-sufficient in fuel and food supplies if necessary, and its supply lines are far less vulnerable, especially in the Atlantic. The US would miss the consumer goods from China, but there’s not much critical that comes from there. (The US has plenty of rare earth elements that just aren’t being mined due to higher labor costs and environmental regs). China can’t make the machines that make its manufactured goods, because the West supplies the tech and machine tools (and closely guards them). And who exactly is going to buy goods from China without the US, European, and Japanese markets (aka 70% of the world’s economy)?
Stole? that's a big cope. Chinese Carrier use DC EM catapult, which is 1gen more advanced than the AC EM catapult on the Ford. Did China invent time machine and stole from future USA?
China innovated, not stealing from US. Chinese scientists are more intelligent
Chinese aircraft carrier - Fujian's EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch system) is 1 generation ahead of the EMALS system onboard USS Gerald Ford: The Chinese design team learned that the U.S. USS Gerald Ford was struggling with their Emal system and realized that their MVAC was what gave them problems. They then quickly switched to developing their own HV/MVDC integrated electronics system. It turned out later that they made the right choice. This is a HUGE benefit and made all the difference: MVDC is a lot more stable, reliable, and versatile. Also, there's something else you don't know: The initial plan for Fujian was not Emals but a steam aircraft launch system. However, as China's MVDC integrated electronics system and later EMALS was developed, the Chinese engineers adjusted their plans. Long story short, they eventually completed both systems and had them running side by side to compare their efficacy, and EMALS came out on top. As a result, the original blueprint had to be readjusted to have structural changes to accommodate the new EMALS system while the steam catapult system was put into storage. The chief engineer received The August 1 Medal also known as the Order of Bayi directly from Xi Jinping on June 6, 2019, for his achievements. Only ten recipients so far in China's entire history.
The Fujian has never demonstrated their EMALS even works. So keep dreaming. 🤣
@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj Bury your head in the sand, that was a great stance.
@@allenz4868 What? Are you having a seizure?
27:44 Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles DF-26, DF-21D hit a moving target.
Good talk
Great conversation!
We are at a point that requires a reassessment of our battle group composition of ships We know we can't get within 1,000 miles of China without risking ships from being sunk. Focus needs to shift to more submarines and less surface ships armed with better weapons with longer ranges. I totally agree with the comment about Navy's priority should be to sink ships - spot on. However, we don't become bloated with more surface ships that we struggle to arm and sustain. The current surface fleet can inflict damage on any enemy until we run out of missiles that matter. After that we become targets on the menu. Building more ships is not the answer. The answer is to build more lethal battle groups.
The correct answer..is to stay at home.....and mind your own business...but that's not acceptable to the war mongerers...
Submarines aren’t the play when it comes to Taiwan, the Strait is shallow, and absolutely layered with Chinese sensors and bases. Great if Chinese ships go into deeper waters, but that’s not there.
Disagree. Imagine WW2 where ships were at risk to air power. We can’t get close to those islands. Technology warrants counter technology.
Surface power is going to be key in the pacific. It’s the only way to secure SLOCs, it’s the only way to project power in force. Air and subs can’t do that.
@@ganboonmeng5370 the war mongers are the ones throwing threats of taking land that is not theirs, the ones currently claiming much of Mongolia, India and tibet as theirs.. the warmongers currently have a dirty great big fuckin wall along their border that’s currently in the middle of their “cunt-ry”
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 There will be plenty of Chinese ships that need sinking outside the Taiwan Straits. And torpedoes aren’t a sub’s only weapons anymore. US subs could get well within China’s missile range and launch volleys of anti-ship missiles at Chinese ships. And with those Chinese ships bottled up in the Straits, they won’t have much room to take evasive action, and their radar will be very cluttered. They’ll be sitting ducks.
Very captivating!
good review, know then prepare
thanks for putting this content up on youtube. Gem of a channel for military/navy enthusiasts
Ever ask, why China navel vessel never seen on the East coast of the Pacific... Because not in their interest.
speaking of defense budget, would you please post one pic for USA defence budget along side the chineses?
China spends a purported 1.9% GDP on defense spending (although that's impossible to know since there's evidence that estimations of their actually economy could be inflated by as much as 30%). The US spends around 3.8% of GDP on defense.
@@cjohnson3836 China REALLY understates their budget. Add in all the categories they intentionally leave out, and adjust for differences in cost and purchasing power, and you get a number scarily close to the US military budget.
We have like 12 carriers in the mothball fleet. We can rebuild Detroit and the rust belt do they have to be build at Norfolk can they be built in Detroit?
On point. He said ‘bohica’. Rolf.
Sponsored by raytheon but I don't see the link to their store.
If u need to ask for the price, it's too expensive for u
@@92Psyco Thanks for that information you are a gentleman and a scholar. I will save some cash and buy myself a nuclear powered submarine.
Great presentation by Captain Fanell.
Bravo
Are air craft carrier fleets going the outmoded way of the battle ships? It just take a missile (nuke or what ever) to sink it and end the naval capability. Just asking.
I doubt it as long as missiles can be fired from aircraft. An aircraft carrier will always have a longer range for an anti ship missile than a cruiser with the same missile.
Not to mention, it’s extremely hard to actually sink a ship especially an aircraft carrier. The Chinese do have a missile and ship called the “carrier killer” but idk how true to life that moniker is.
I never served in the military and I know how important this is to our country's survival
China threatens the survival of the US? lol what a joke
There is no threat to the United States survival besides itself the US goes around starting wars with everybody in the world sooner or later they're going to meet two badasses he's going to smash a s*** out of this country
Why China matters to your country's survival since you sent so many troops around China
@@jesselu143 It only matters to American hegemony and American profits. Other than that, they don't care.
@@jesselu143 America's presence in the west Pacific is to maintain peace and order, to make sure no country trying to emulate Imperial Japan again.
What a brilliant interview ! One of the best specialist.
He really understands the issues posed by chinese Navy.
I believe more spending and more R&D can help the Us lead the competition
What a BS! The word, all under Heaven,(b’cos the Chinese don’t know HIS name) basically applies in the ancient time context ie. during the Dynastic Period. China is also known as Middle Kingdom, please do remember during that time, China was the most advance country in the world. They even believe their Emperor was due to Heaven’s mandate and justify to be called , “Son Of Heaven”. However, no one in China today, use such words. So these so called experts of China, should stop demonizing China and give half-baked opinions. Compare with China and America, the former is peaceful previously and currently, while the latter has a horrible war history.
or US could just mind their own business and scram
After that spy 6 advertisement I am almost tempered to buy one. I just hope they aren’t too expensive.
Well said !
As a retired AWOC, I firmly believe that the Navy needs to concentrate of warfighting, everything else is secondary.
warfighting is the only thing
Warfighting is just overloading your opponent with munitions. Whomever has greater magazine depth.
Good, Soviet Union welcomes you joining the rank.
What about EDI training though
Each Arliegh Burke destroyer carries 96 missiles. Id be interested in knowing how many reloads of all of our destroyers we actually have in inventory. I'd guess it's less than 2. Ukraine has shown that missile consumption will be much higher than we imagine. It does seems to me that our MIC's inability to produce the required numbers reflects the basic corruption that characterizes the entire US "defense" enterprise.
You are being optimistic. Not enough missiles to fit all the Arliegh Burke destroyer.
Depends on the missile load carried. And graphing over Ukrainian munition usage to the US in a Taiwan conflict is insane.
A: A conventional land war with hundreds of thousands compared to a naval war.
B: It's not about corruption. It's just that the US has not needed it and so industry has wound down. The US hasn't, western Europe hasn't, Russia hasn't, no-one has. Blaming corruption is incorrect. It's more related to the peace dividend than anything else. You can't turn just turn industry on. This has ALWAYS been true. It takes time to increase capacity.
@buddermonger2000 I could not agree with you more when it comes to inventory.
People forget about WW2. The US's inventory was almost nothing. It took a bit to manufacture the large numbers of war machines. The other issue is maintaining such a large but inactive inventory. The argument is that they're not needed. I will speculate that if the US's inventory was much higher, much of what is going on would not be. The detractors like to detract.
@@davidsawyer1599 Yes, people forget that there aren’t just a bunch of unused weapons factories waiting for a switch to be flipped. They don’t understand that we were able to ramp up production in WWII because we started preparing to do it in the late 1930s, and it took until 1943 before things really kicked into high gear. And while we could probably do it pretty well with ground vehicles and aircraft, we can’t do it with ships anymore unless we start increasing our naval construction capacity NOW. And I mean doubling or tripling it, at least.
Keeping w the WW2 US naval strategy the US not only built advances platforms like Missouri class battleships and Essex class carriers built they also built cheap platforms like the Kaiser Escort Carriers to just have numbers. Maybe everything doesnt need to be the maxed out version, maybe US could build more economical platforms to have some quantity
That was eye opening. I think Americans think the Chinese are in rikshaws, mainly because they've never seen one of their ships
China's Tian Xia refers to responsibility to the Han people or the Chinese domain rather than the entire world.
The Chinese learned very carefully from US; that's the bottom line
Learned what? How have they applied or demonstrated any learning?
A 50 year old building in Japan looks 5 years old... a 5 year old building in China looks 50 years old... probably applies to their navy too... corruption...
@@Rjsjrjsjrjsj by literally copying and implementing the exact same US military structure but in a much larger format from top to bottom including giving lower tier Commanders autonomy. In 2015, they literally rearranged their entire military structure to mirror the US, including integrating information and autonomous decision making at the local level. It literally mirrors the US military now not the Soviet or the Russian one like it used to
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br 🤣
So what? They have no institutional experience or skill. They copied an org chart. Typical Chinese, "we'll make it look the same and therefore it will BE the same"
Nope
It's like a Ferrari body kit on a Fiero. 🙄
THAT'S the bottom line
@John Finsitoe You're a m0r0n. 😉
I totally agree that we should focus our navy in the pacific. European Nato Allies should be able to handle European and African threats, especially when Sweden joins. I’m all for increasing US military presence on Europe, but that should be focused on air & land. I do wonder if the European nato Allie’s could handle European/African threats while the carrier groups of France & UK support US efforts in the pacific.
Clearly the PLAN is still critical short in supply vessels and fuelers like the 901 class. Do you think we will see them ramp up production of support shipping? If so, when? VR Brian Gregg
No. Because, like Russia they depend solely on numbers. Even though that, demonstrably, ends in disaster.
“Critical short” in supply vessels.
China have 16 replenishment ships.
That is more replenishment ships then entire NATO without USA.
Do they need more? No, half of their fleet is a brown water fleet, don’t need support.
@@MrCastodian 🤣
The US is part of NATO. You can't just say they have more than NATO then cherry pick the militaries you want. Knuckle head.
🙄.
PLAN fleets ain't for power projection across the world, they only need to resupply around west pacific, japan sea not SCS not gulf of mexico... yet
not really that critical when their supply base is less than one day away.
23:31 taking territories without firing a shot? You guys should really learn from them.. That's one of the tactic in the art of war lolololol
@@davidmoss2576 a "lease" that China was forced to sign at gun point lolololololol
Wow, Chinese capabilities continue to grow. So does China.
Wouldnt sinking PLA Navy only be temporary since Chinas industrial capacity is greater than the US. Seems to me taking them on would be the same mistake Japan made when they took on the US Navy.
Thanks
It's good to know that US experts all think China is a warmonger that overspending on its military, that will make US to up their military spending too, in fact, China only spend 1.9% of their GDP on military, as China continue to grow, US will face the same dilemma British Empire did before to try to maintain a military spending or forces that's 3 times larger than its opponent
History always repeats himself, if it's time US steps down, just step down.
Defense spending is 22% of US industrial production vs 3% in China. It too late. Just math…
The true number if you understand Communist China's spending is a lot more than what they state because the govt just shifts spending around so US spending funds are all allocated for, in China they are not and even if the PPP is lower which saves in labor cost, weapon speciality isn't so all those electronics and missiles are hidden in the true overall spending. China is spending $500 billion plus on its military.
China's economy is not a highly profitable such as service oriented market like US. China's gdp doesn't necessarily mean the CCP can continue to interject money because it's 3 times in debt from its gdp. Look at Japan in the 1990s same thing before the gdp balanced its huge 12% growth.
Chy-na military is as infamous for corruption as Russia. Carbon copies. Saving face is the #1 concern of everyone in Chy-na, top to bottom. Doesn't matter if it works good or will last, as long as it looks good enough. The entire society is permeated with fraud, i.e. installing fake fire hydrants instead of real ones. That's a more recent story with citizen video.
@@LuvBorderCollies Are you talking about America gov's No.1 worldwide competitor, that China?
James Fanell seems to be the only one who sees the real challenge of the future
What protecting US borders?
@@gilianrampart8514 no
Great program. Don’t think I’m the target market for a spy6 system though. 😂
That Raytheon Shadow Legends sponsorship came out of nowhere
I agree we need to deal with the PLA Navy.
deal? LOL you cant even deal with your own...please ..... keep US navy in your own base and let the world have peace