242: A Hydrogen Boom?

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  • @milohobo9186
    @milohobo9186 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hydrogen is a backdoor way for fossil fuel companies to continue using natural gas while hiding behind "green technology" since hydrogen *can* be made green, though it is more expensive and therefore rarely done.
    You did cover this in the episode; but I want to emphasize that most hydrogen is made from natural gas and continues the gas wells, allowing escaping GhG to continue to doom us, and trying to rope us into continued dependence on them into the future.

    • @Bobsry16
      @Bobsry16 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wonder if people are thinking about how cryocooled liquid natural gas can be a good cleaner fuel for rockets, hybrid electric aircraft and turbine powered jet craft of various kinds. There is a company doing hybrid jets with the super cooled liquid natural gas fuel. Astro Mechanica, this is more than space X, blue origin, and some other private space companies using cryocooled gas instead of hydrogen or kerosene.

    • @daveansell1970
      @daveansell1970 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Though we will have to make a lot of green hydrogen for industrial processes like fertiliser and steel production,. Once this is sorted we may want to use their infrastructure for other things

    • @nekogami87
      @nekogami87 หลายเดือนก่อน

      aaaand that' s also why a lot of research is also done to increase production of green hydrogen.

    • @lkrnpk
      @lkrnpk หลายเดือนก่อน

      But what do do if my country will have abundant solar lot of days in 2 years in summer, so where to put it? Either batteries or make something using it when there is plenty

    • @HydrogenFuelTechnologies
      @HydrogenFuelTechnologies หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard

  • @mikeklein4949
    @mikeklein4949 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember reading a farm show type magazine a few years back where a guy, I think in Nebraska, used electrolysis to generate hydrogen to burn in his 1965? perhaps, Ford Galaxy V8. Been doing this for a very long time. The electricity source was an old Windjammer (name?) windmill,. The engine always started in the coldest weather, The oil really didn't ever require urgent oil changes. The fuel for his go to town car was free, kinda. The trips were not long so the amount of hydrogen the car had to carry was not huge. AND perhaps most important of all, he was super proud of himself.

  • @octothorpe12
    @octothorpe12 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A reminder that actual trees are indeed solar collectors.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very inefficient ones, though. And very hard to directly extract energy from.
      There is a tech that makes actually efficient 'leaves' that uses a similar technique to trees.

  • @16jocko
    @16jocko หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the conversational value of your episodes, a viewer can get right into the subject matter. A person my age needs his thought process jacked up

  • @jamesmterrell
    @jamesmterrell หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you ever made a video discussing the non-green parts producing, using and disposing of batteries, windmills and their associated equipment (cars, infrastructure, etc.). In other words the entire life cycle from the first shovel to break ground, the oil to make plastics, create carbon fiber, etc.

  • @davidfellowes1628
    @davidfellowes1628 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe 23% is closer to the fact for fossil fuel efficiency. This is the one fact that so so many people completely ignore when talking about energy efficiency. Your comments on why we shouldn't use fossil fuels is very valid and explains why so many, for moral reasons, no longer work in the fossil fuel industry

  • @martythemartian99
    @martythemartian99 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19:12 We do have a solar powered train here in Australia, but it is not a high use commuter. It is only a short run tourist train connecting two towns in the country. It has panels on the train itself and on the two stations it runs between, so it can be plugged in between runs to boost the battery.
    So not really a serious contender, but a fun experiment nonetheless.

  • @lamina566
    @lamina566 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To use efficiency to compare using different energy sources, solar / hydrocarbon, you have to establish baselines for comparison. The baseline should be when hydrocarbons are in the ground, e.g. crude oil, what energy is used to extract and refine the crude oil into the form used as the energy source, e.g. gasoline, then using the efficiency of the system, e.g. internal combustion engine, used to perform useful work to determine overall effecieicy of the end-to-end process. If this calculation was performed to assess the efficiency of an internal combustion engine I suspect that the end-to-end process efficiency would be under 10%.

  • @bonniesrandomstuff7066
    @bonniesrandomstuff7066 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry for not posting this under the actual "cell-tree" episode. But just so you know, there are many of those, although thankfully fairly rare, of those ugly structures. The first one i ever saw was near Charlotte, NC about 10-15 years ago....

  • @D0li0
    @D0li0 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 26:50... The best hydrogen storage I can think of, and I've personally tried many, is to just take one more step and add carbon and just make synthetic methane....

  • @D0li0
    @D0li0 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 17:42 wind harvesting from vehicles is technically perpetual motion.
    The vehicle would experience more drag...
    Normal wind power is the result of thermal solar differentials, and is massive...
    Vehicle wind harvesting is just using a train or car as a really bad fan or artificial wind... Right?

  • @kalrandom7387
    @kalrandom7387 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The solar tree maybe a decade ago a young guy came up with that idea and figured out how to get the leaves/collectors to follow the sun, but the energy gathered wasn't enough to warrant the construction cost.

  • @DanielBoger
    @DanielBoger หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Sedgwick County Zoo in Wichita Kansas has a solar sunflower art piece. It shows how Sunflowers follow the sun through the day. And it is meant to be a more attractive version of sun following solar panels.

  • @jackcoats4146
    @jackcoats4146 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have seen where people want us to replace natural gas with hydrogen and use the same pipes. Just like with storage of hydrogen, the pipes are NOT 'sealed' enough to make H2 gas safe and reasonable for other than specific industrial needs, IMHO.

    • @HydrogenFuelTechnologies
      @HydrogenFuelTechnologies หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are spreading nonsense and misinformation, most of the pipelines are thick wall polypropylene plastic capable of carrying hydrogen gas just fine. Stop it

    • @HydrogenFuelTechnologies
      @HydrogenFuelTechnologies หลายเดือนก่อน

      Polyethylene is a plastic composed solely of carbon and hydrogen atoms, meaning it inherently contains hydrogen within its molecular structure; however, when discussing "polyethylene and hydrogen," the focus is often on the ability of polyethylene materials, particularly high-density polyethylene (HDPE), to be used as a barrier or container for storing and transporting hydrogen gas due to its high resistance to hydrogen permeation, making it a suitable material for hydrogen fuel cell applications.

  • @ruthmeijer4806
    @ruthmeijer4806 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There wouldnt be much debrea between the tracks when its covered in solar panels.

  • @robertlook1
    @robertlook1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am curious about your thoughts on SunHydrogen which is working on what look like solar panels which use sunlight and water to produce H2 and O2.

  • @darthsirrius
    @darthsirrius หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just caught a report from KPIX, a CBS station in the Bay Area on TH-cam about a new compound, developed at UC Berkeley, that can pull carbon dioxide out of the air and is totally reusable. They gave absolutely ZERO specifics on cost or really anything, so a deep dive into this substance, would be an amazing video idea for you guys!

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax หลายเดือนก่อน

      Another one?

    • @darthsirrius
      @darthsirrius หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thekaxmax Yes?

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@darthsirrius as in, another one separate from those already in use?

  • @nolan4339
    @nolan4339 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Assuming some of the electrolytic advances an Ammonia production are not overhyped, I have some hope that we can eventually transition away from Haber Bosch, which could also mean progress in using it as a fuel for remote or backup applications, but green the green hydrogen niche will probably be relegated to only being necessary as an industrial chemical ingredient.
    The era seem to be dependent upon the development of micro-materials, which is at the forefront of Solar and battery technologies. Catalysts for fuels is a part of it, but we are unlikely to easily use such advances to improve the bulk storage of primary chemicals.

  • @TheDanEdwards
    @TheDanEdwards หลายเดือนก่อน

    "way more efficient to use induction"

  • @junkerzn7312
    @junkerzn7312 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This kinda reminds me of the "smartflower" solar panel concept. Basically think of a massively oversized sunflower made up of solar panels for the petals which tracks the sun and folds itself up in the evening. The only problem with it is that it is 3x as expensive as a regular solar panel system on a home (which itself is already pretty expensive).
    No point trying to harness the wind generated by moving vehicles and trains (if I understood that segment correctly). All that will do is increase the fuel consumption of the vehicles by increasing the wind resistance on the vehicles. There is no free lunch. This is easy to illustrate simply by passing another vehicle on the highway. As your car passes through the wind envelope generated by the other car you can feel the engine having to work harder at points, and less hard at other points as the wind envelopes intersect. And if you are the car being passed by another car, you can also feel your own engine do the same thing. Same issue with trying to harness the wind with a wind turbine.
    The train / solar-panel idea has some merit. There is an immense amount of surface area to work with and it would be fairly easy to deploy small electric motors (~5kW) on train car axles to use the solar on the car to aid the diesel-electric locomotive. Structurally it is a sound idea, but the expense might be too high.
    Burning hydrogen with air... 2045C combustion temperature. Hmm. That might be doable. Of course, we do have arc furnaces (making steel with electricity) which is probably going to be far less costly than using hydrogen. To be honest, hydrogen is a big lose no matter how you swing it.
    -Matt

    • @Mike-eu4zz
      @Mike-eu4zz หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's one of those "smartflowers" in Salisbury, New Brunswick at the gas/charging station. Amazing, but very expensive!

  • @geraldlasser8917
    @geraldlasser8917 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hydrogen is essential in chemistry and if we want to transition into industrial scale green chemistry we need a carbon free generation process for hydrogen. For example lignin from non-Kraft paper pulp production can be converted to phenolic compounds with hydrogen. These phenolic stocks can in turn be converted into pharmaceuticals, plastics and many other useful chemicals now produced from refined crude oil.

  • @jmacd8817
    @jmacd8817 หลายเดือนก่อน

    PLEASE tell me your playing old school AD&D. I realize that's not likely, but I'm super jelly regardless .
    I still think that hydrogen is a "niche" solution, where batteries and other solutions won't work. Places like ocean freighter, possibly large jets (the Mentour Now! channel had a good discussion on that) And maybe large bus fleets.
    *IF* solid state hydrogen storage becomes a thing, and can have a higher energy density that batteries, then I can see it being a bit more mainstream, especially where weight and volume aren't all that critical.
    But the round trip efficiency for hydrogen is still low enough, IMHO, that it will only be used where it's the least bad choice.

  • @lamina566
    @lamina566 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As far as assessing the viability of using Hydrogen as a fuel source I think the starting point for this conversation is where and when is Hydrogen being produced today and for what purpose? The process used to produce most of the Hydrogen generated today is what is called "Steam-Methane Reformation" where a hydrocarbon fuel like natural gas (mainly methane) is reacted with high-temperature steam in the presence of a catalyst to produce hydrogen gas. The efficiency associated with this process isn't good and CO2 is the by-product of the process.
    Several new products called "electrolyzers" have been developed to produce Hydrogen. Hydrogen is used in refineries for various applications, including hydro-treating processes to remove impurities from crude oil and petroleum products, as a feed-stock for catalytic reforming to produce high-octane gasoline, and in hydro-cracking processes to convert heavy hydrocarbons into lighter, more valuable products. Hydrogen is also used to facilitate many Petro-Chemical processes. I have read articles in the past 2 years which reviewed that Petroleum Processing companies are evaluating using "electrolyzer" technology to replace legacy "Steam-Methane Reformation" processes in Petroleum processing. This would be a good 1st step to establish this technology and further develop it.

  • @chlistens7742
    @chlistens7742 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There are solar trees.

  • @Karagoth444
    @Karagoth444 หลายเดือนก่อน

    09:00 Motorcycles in general have great mileage but horrible emissions. Weight and size of a car can be put to great use in safety and better emissions control, but comes at the cost of lugging all that stuff around everywhere.

  • @johnstubbe3113
    @johnstubbe3113 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As Carl Sagan said for “billions and billions of years,” nature has been splitting water to give us all the hydrocarbons all the free oxygen on this planet. that’s all the food we eat the air we breathe, and the fuel we burn.
    We learned in grade school that this was a very inefficient process, really? Billions and billions of years of evolution has led to an inefficient process, That makes all life possible.

  • @Jcewazhere
    @Jcewazhere หลายเดือนก่อน

    Freight trains need their tops clear for loading, couldn't put panels on them. Passenger cars maybe, but it'd barely power the lighting and heating/cooling.
    In part of DIA's railway there's a section with a bunch of fanblades on the wall. I think they're supposed to be propellers. They spin a bunch when the train goes by, but making the train more aerodynamic or pumping some of the air out of the tunnel would have a much bigger impact for the price.
    Putting panels above the rails is great. Panels above all the parking lots in Mericuh would be great too. Bury power storage under the parking lots.
    On a long enough timeline everything is solar power. Coal comes from trees which were sun powered. Radioactive materials were made mostly in supernovas. Even geothermal energy could be blamed on the sun thanks to its gravity well collecting all that material. It's a stretch though.
    Wind and solar are obviously sun powered. Tides probably too.

    • @thekaxmax
      @thekaxmax หลายเดือนก่อน

      Only for top-load cars. A lot are side-load, most of the ones you see that aren't delivering from mines.

  • @greyskullmcbeef4901
    @greyskullmcbeef4901 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In China a company called Sinopec is building a 400km hydrogen pipeline through Mongolia. But wouldnt the pipes need to be replaced VERY often due to embritlement and leaks? Like, replace the entire 400km on a timeline based on thermal expansion and hydrogen flow rates? Could it be an Ammonia pipeline rather than H2? Honestly, both sound like horrendous disasters if anything goes wrong.

    • @HydrogenFuelTechnologies
      @HydrogenFuelTechnologies หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Polyethylene is a plastic composed solely of carbon and hydrogen atoms, meaning it inherently contains hydrogen within its molecular structure; however, when discussing "polyethylene and hydrogen," the focus is often on the ability of polyethylene materials, particularly high-density polyethylene (HDPE), to be used as a barrier or container for storing and transporting hydrogen gas due to its high resistance to hydrogen permeation, making it a suitable material for hydrogen fuel cell applications.

  • @mikeklein4949
    @mikeklein4949 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only measure, meaningful measure, of achievement is effectiveness. Efficiency comes next.

  • @D0li0
    @D0li0 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 31:28 it's not to keep using current infrastructure, it's to preserve their distribution paradigm...
    It's akin to things you've covered like how green hydrogen for heat is multiples worse because the original electric energy leveraged via a heat pump has a COP greater than one while therms can never be...
    If you were to expand that notion, and somehow still needed hydrogen, or methane (easier to store and transport), then it still makes sense to abandon the old hydrocarbon "production" and distribution and simply make local electricity or distribut electricity and make the conversion to synthetic methane micro and local.
    This literally empoweres the citizenship instead of the corporate nation state inevitability corrupting and moral-less zombie institutions that capture our governance.
    This is likely their main reason to want to remain in power and relevant.
    Absolute power corrupts absolutely, so choose systems that distribute that power to the individual.

  • @andrewknots
    @andrewknots หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the steam punk induction hob image. Have a look at Scottish Gas Network”s H100 Fife for hydrogen projects

  • @davidwilkie9551
    @davidwilkie9551 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Saturation reached, no further distraction from the 10⁷ orders of magnitude of energy potential production can be absorbed, ie not stupid enough anymore.

  • @jamesmterrell
    @jamesmterrell หลายเดือนก่อน

    Modular nuclear power plants is looking good.

  • @niclaskarlin
    @niclaskarlin หลายเดือนก่อน

    18:30 Having ICE vehicles power wind turbines. What a neat idea!
    I saw that they have that in Turkey and the sales person of this must have been that guy who sold the Keiser his new clothes!
    (or am I missing something completely here?)

  • @toby9815
    @toby9815 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cell tower made to look like a tree with solar panels on it.

  • @HyperCircle
    @HyperCircle 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One thing missed: hydrogen leakage.

  • @AWildBard
    @AWildBard หลายเดือนก่อน

    The solar tree already exists.

  • @djt8518
    @djt8518 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can hydrogen be made from coal ??

  • @bknesheim
    @bknesheim หลายเดือนก่อน

    The time difference will be 9 hours. 🙂

  • @jimthain8777
    @jimthain8777 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Solar could be put on planes for the benefit of passengers too.
    A company here in BC called Ballard Power Systems was going to develop hydrogen fuel cells for busses, in the 1980s when I was still in high school.
    The company still exists, and is still a fuel cell company, but they are no longer the darling of the media these days.
    There's a good reason for that, in fact there is actually a bunch of reasons for that, and in approximately 40 years, the yardstick has barely moved on any of those reasons.
    The IDEA of hydrogen a an energy source goes back to the late 18th century!
    So think of the time of Benjamin Franklin!
    We've been working on this file a LONG time.
    How long do we give this before we realize it is a red herring in 90+% of cases?
    They aren't making "good decisions" for any reason.
    They are trying to DELAY things by keeping resources busy in dead ends.
    It's ALL about sucking the last extra minute, and 1/2 cent out of burning fossil fuels.

  • @johnseberg6989
    @johnseberg6989 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love ya! But *ZERO* time for hydrogen. You do you. 😄

  • @mikeklein4949
    @mikeklein4949 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ICE vehicles have spent huge amounts of design money paying homage to inefficiency. How so? Look at the fronts of vehicles approaching you from the front. Look at the fronts of vehicles following you in your rearview mirror. Millions of idols to venerate inefficiency.

  • @Wingman77tws
    @Wingman77tws หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You guys seem to have good intentions, but it is the most painful thing in the world to listen to people that don’t have a clue about engineering talk about engineering things.

    • @lkrnpk
      @lkrnpk หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah it's kinda like when Tesla fans have podcasts about Tesla this ir that, 30 mins of just some talk, a few buzzwords. Communicating news about this stuff is great but you cannot go deeper or expand on it if you do not have much clue...

    • @HydrogenFuelTechnologies
      @HydrogenFuelTechnologies หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂 eye AGREE, two stooges and tools 🔧 gaslighting the public on hydrogen its hilarious

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    @CHIEF_420 หลายเดือนก่อน

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