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Anything over $100 is simply ludicrous. Period. Their own knives beat these! And any spine can be sharpened, so that $10-30 mora will be as good with fire making with a longer blade (companion HD stainless). Know what reduces the carbon footprint?? Not buying more knives...I've done my part and not bought these 🤣.
Hello Mikkie and Maarten, I agree they're too expensive at most perhaps $100 ea., but then with what's out there..... Keep up the good work, be safe and take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 🙏😇👊 P.S.: JFYI-should ya misplace any Easter eggs and find 'em a couple days later just toss 'em out, don't crack 'em open to check, or else! Personal experience from childhood!!!😖
I bought some months ago a Fällkniven F1 in VG Wolf steel. A knife that is a better slicer with extreme sharpness due to the wolfram. I cost me almost exactly like the new Mora does. To pay the same money for this new Mora doesn't tempt me at all. In this case I think Moras has got hybris.
I can see a certain group of Mora knife collectors buying these, but most people are going to buy something else at these prices. It would be interesting how they would compare with the BPS knives BS3FTS Mora type design. More similar than different. Yeah, 1066 versus 12C27N. Comparison to a Mora Companion Spark would be interesting as well.
They're definitely doing what Seiko is doing where they make a bunch of expensive upscale products then they'll start slowly discontinuing all of the cheap stuff.
Yall should try the new vosteed grind, folder with true scandi, 154cm, 60ish hrc around 75 bucks. Thinner spine, sliciest folder I've ever felt out the box.
This video has helped so much as I didn’t know what one is like better but thing it is the whit, when will u guys test a Ben orford knife as they r the number one bushcraft knife at the minute and would be interesting to c ur thoughts 👍🏻love the videos btw 😁
£100 over priced as a collector, unfortunately I won't be purchasing especially as you've stated if your going into the Fallkniven price range. I Love Mora and have nearly every single edition from Kansbol, garberg and neck knives to the special editions but won't be adding these until they are at least half priced.
mora is doing what everyone else is doing over priced if they were 120 to 140 they would be flying off the shelves they look nice sharp comfortable steel is good but not for what they are asking still love mora
I think it might have been marketing genius from Morakniv... Remember how a lot of people bashed the Garberg when it came out?... Doesn't look like such a bad deal now, does it?
Well, my good friend, you're not the only one. If until now the discourse was "I won't buy a Garberg because it is overpriced" now it's more like "Why buy this when I can buy a Garberg for less than half the price with a better steel?". If that was the intention with these knives, then hats off for Morakniv...
The price is an overkill, I wrote them that it would be amazing if they could make a budget version of it for say 50-70 euro. I think the design is nice and they would have a lot orders for such a knife with lower price. But they responded that I am "welcome to buy or not to buy". Well if that's all they have to say... I say Jääkäripuukkoooooo!!! 🤯
… and the Swedish krona has never been at a lower exchange rate compared to EUR and USD, so anything exported from Sweden SHOULD be as cheap as it gets right now.
Wow missed this video when it came out just watching now. What the hell, Mora!!?? $199.00 USD for the Finn (3.5 inch) on amazon!! I just bought a Fallkniven Scout R2 for $160, and it has Elmax!! I don't see this line of knives being around long. Considering what they are made from, It's honestly a little offensive they are asking that much.
Not saying this is what Mora is thinking but..., successive and younger generations are coming into the bushcrafting/outdoor world who are earning substantially more income than earlier generations, thanks to the internet, whose decision making sign posts are things like "saving the planet." They respond to selling points like "recycle..." and "smaller footprint..." as much as, if not more than, traditional selling points like steel performance and design functionality etc...and would throw their money at a company that can offer a widget that align with their "planet saving" virtues vs. a company that just provides a less expensive comparable or even better product that don't "appear" to be making the same efforts. No opinion on the philosphy but Mora already has a good reputation in general to use as a spring board to market to this growing consumer base. It happened with the organic food market. Just tossing the ball around with this thought.
No, just NO!! I have a Garberg and thought that to be expensive for a Mora, these prices are just insane! Just look at the competition they have at this price point, even from other Scandi makers! I would maybe consider one at 80 euro, but at these prices no.
These knives are for people who only buy Moras, and they’ve already owned all other Mora models.. and they don’t know what else to do with their money. Nice, looking blades, though..
At the MOST, I’d see these knives being worth splurging $120 on. At the ABSOLUTE MOST. Mostly because I understand what they’re trying to do with the sustainability of their manufacturing processes. I just don’t personally see that justifying a $200 price tag on a knife made with the exact same steel and heat treatment as your products that are in the $10 to $27 price range. Makes absolutely no sense.
I contacted Mora and told them their new knives were way overpriced considering the specs. you can buy 15 companion knives for the price of one Lok, absolute joke I wont be getting one.
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My opinion is that there's nothing these blades can do that most other Moras I already own can't do just as well. I haven't used one, and can't comment on how they function, but I feel confident saying that the materials are "budget" materials, with a semi-custom price. 5/10 is kind, in my opinion, and I know I won't be buying these blades. Morakniv, I'm a fan, not a martyr.
Dont gwt me wrong, I love mora but.. The whole point of mora is the price, i never even went near the garberg because its not moras fashion, i usually just buy blade blanks and make my own handles
@@a.i.a3949 Any other Mora knife, is better than the Garberg. Worst handle, worst blade design of all their models. Unfortunately Mora, has turned into a company with their marketing targeting how to make more money easily, rather than how to make more money, by providing a good quality and perfectly designed product, as they used to do in the past. That's greediness and it's the only thing I hate in my life. I'm sad that this company, has turned 180 degrees on the wrong direction, and I''ve already stopped getting Moras, since they produced the Garberg.
@Greek Veteran Yeah agreed Allthough i actually dislike the mora 200/kansbol blade shape more than the garberg, they break so damn easily, as for the garberg or big survival knives or full external tang knifes its just not their style, like kbar dont make a traditonal pukkos (to my knowledge) they stick to what they're good at and mora should do the same, which is manufacturing the most cost efficient while still usable pukko style blades. Allthough admittedly these days i tend to buy blade blanks from laurin metali (the guys who make the blades for the terava jaukariupukko (cant remember how its spelt) the heat treatment and steel quality seems to hold up slightly better from my experience than mora. I eat through carbon mora no. 2 blades within about 2-3 years if im using and resharpening them often, i have the same mora no 2 handle i started with years ago but on the 3rd blade now. Old blades are still usable and in new handles for gifts to friends but they dont hold a good edge as its been sharpened down to the core.
The good thing about this channel is we never have to wait long to find out what they think. If something is new they will do a video on it! Good work boys!
I heard a pretty annoying problem with the cooking knife is that when food inevitably gets in the screw holes, it's not that easy to wash it out and the water stays in there and damages the wood. Pretty big flaw for a $200+ cooking knife
Thats why you clean it and dry it..what do you just wash and throw them into the drawer...its its really really easy and you start learning it at a young age when you and a sibling are on fishes duty..shit you can even use air blowers if you want to be really careful but usually it only takes the 4 corners of a dish towel 🤣😂🤣😅ffs man
I saw them at the DKE and was just about to buy this set because Mora has always a good pricing. Oh was i wrong... the guy said it will be 800 eur. I runned away as fast as possible and im still hiding in my basement.
Yeah, I did exactly what Mikkie suggested a few weeks ago and got an F1 in cos for 185€ which is still cheaper than most new moras. Remember when Fallkniven was considered overpriced? And now it is a better budget option to Mora. Times are wild.
Honestly it's still are good knife, they still make an attractive product, and there's really no problem with the quality. But if only a few people are complaining, it's fine, but almost everyone is complaining about the price, then it's really a problem. Although the whole world is in inflation, all businesses are starting to increase prices, which is understandable, but their pricing this time, you can say that the step is too big, ordinary metal and ordinary wood plus the incomprehensible market pricing ... 😅
got some kind of sticker shock when checking the Felco secateurs range the other day. they now have a couple 249€ models. super duper premium limited edition with leather covered handles and nice matte black finish for everything else. 😅 funny thing is when you really use them, they last decades so it ends up costin' something like a couple euros per month including spare parts along the way. even a few eurocents if they get the same longevity as my grandfather's ones from the early fifties. still working, parts still available and third generation using them hoping to pass them to the fourth in due time. 😏👌 those Moras though, bit expensive but when looking long term, who cares. plus we'll be soon having so much inflation that we'll laugh at those prices when paying 500000000000€ for a stale loaf of sawdust bread and double that the next day... 😂
If Mora priced this series any less, it would take too much of their customer base away from their own budget and mid range collection. These knives aren't meant for the people who buy most of their products based on budget. The sales from these don't take away from other's, they are just adding to the bottom line. It's actually pretty smart.
It was the exact same panic when the Bushcraft series launched ten years ago “omg 45€ for a Mora I can buy a 511 for 7€” The again when the Garberg was launched “omg 100€ for a Mora…” I mean it was the exact same reactions down to the letter. And it also explains why it’s important for healthy companies to not put themselves in a corner with low pricing. You need money makers with a high profit margin which also build the brand. I’d get if people were upset if Mora cancelled the Companion but that isn’t the case. So frankly I don’t get this at all. But then I wasn’t upset when they released the Bushcraft or Garberg either. At least these look like good knives unlike Bushcraft (awful handle) and Garberg (heavy and cuts like sh*t)
OMG 😳😳😳 $200+ USD for a recycled materials knife. Lower Carbon footprint or not, nobody is spending $200+ on a Mora. They really made a blunder on this one. It might be a 10/10 knife but people in the knife community won't buy these. The ONLY market I can see for these would be weekend warrior environmental hipsters who have absolutely no knowledge of knife steels and are purely sold on the thought that they are helping the environment. If Mora was smart they would just use reclaimed wood or recycled wood fiber for the handles instead of plastic. That's a win/win.
Yeah but you still bought it. Other reviews will buy it and have bought it. they've easily had 30k or 40k through the door just from reviewers since it's release already. They don't care what you think of the price, they are making money, tons of money in fact, and also in a preemptive strategy to raising their prices on the cheaper stuff.
The price range of these new knives from the world knife price leader Morakniv may have good impact to world knife market because all other knives looks having reasonable price when you compare to these ash wood series.
200 euros, crazy. I like my 10$ Mora Basic as much as my 20$ Mora Classic no. 1. And I am not the guy who is like "they are 10$, so I don't care if I lost them or break them". I like them for another reason - they are simple, yet they can perform a lot of tasks perfectly. And this is exacatly why I like being in the woods - for the simplicity and, I would even say, honesty of the moment. There is only you and the wood. Cheap but effective knife totally fits this feeling. Anyways, 200$ - wow, crazy.
Mora is the only made in Sweden knifemaker left. I’m quite happy they’re trying to move into premium because it might mean they’re able to stay in business. No one survives in the low end unless they move production to China (like Spyderco, Buck and most other makes have done). I think we should all be happy we can actually buy a made in Sweden Kansbol, Companion or 511. Mora has always made premium knives in the past, like the Laplander for example. Even though most people aren’t aware.
@@tor2919 such low-volume knives are not going to help their business anyways I think. I am okay with them selling such expensive knives, but the competition in 200 euro price area is huge and their propositions doesn't look strong to me.
They look like good knives; but you can get three or four Mora's or one fallkniven for the same price. Still awsome video! Yesterday, I had some bushcrafter ask me if I could sharpen his bushcrafting knife; and also "do the spine like you would hockey ice-skates". I had to think twice about that one; but he had a point; and last time he went ice-skating; he had his ice-skates sharpened; and also the spine of his knife; and it performed wonderfull for firesteel scraping. So I hollow-ground the spine of his knife; and it scraped firesteel like crazy; you should really try that. In the Netherlands you can find plenty of places to sharpen ice-skates.
@@reikyfoxxe1847 the Moras are press cut from a metal sheet, this mora ful tang, means more than double of metal tahn any other Mora. They perform well, are great knifes that you can depend on, I just don't see 200€
I know mora probably has a lot of overhead and they’re doing things in a very environmentally friendly way but there are comparable options that are a fraction of the price. When I saw these announced the first thing I thought of was BPS knives and what a great value they are. Of course there are differences, stainless mora vs 1066 BPS, expensive mora packaging vs cheap packaging, and I’m sure the mora fit and finish is superior. Also it just occurred to me, do the Mora knives even have a sheath?BPS has a nice leather sheath and in some cases a fire steel and is also full tang with oak handles. To me these Mora knives seem like either a collectors piece or a money grab while pleasing all the people who’ve been asking for a full tang mora knife all these years. For that kind of money though, there’s just too many exceptional options from other production companies or even small “custom” makers and you’ll get way more for your money.
Wow. That's wayyy to expensive for the materials you get. Thoughs wood handles don't even look like there treated for weather resistants. I'll stick with my kansbol and bushcraft black. I think these knives will become just collectors items if anything and morakniv will lose money on them.
Thanks DBK for the honest vid!! I saw the Lok knife review already couple of weeks ago on a other channel and i saw the price and i thought that is bullsh#t. Sorry but there are so many brands to choose from and with better steals so won't be my first choice these new Morakniv. I think it would be more for collectors of Morakniv these new serie of knives.
My last knife is now a 16 " blade 5160 spring steel, full tang, fighting guard, 5 chira Kukri. What a beast of a knife. Hand made in Nepal. I probably take it out 20 times a day and look with amazement at it how beastly it is. I would love to see Martin and well we all know it is Survival Lilly in male drag going by the name of Mickey do a destruction test on it. Does trolling ever get old! I think not!
I think 75-100€ would have been a reasonable price tag. The thing I noticed when they launched them in the live video at IWA is that a lot of the money probably went to the design and development team because the knives themselves were not as important as the blah blah blah about the cardboard box ("ooh wow, look how it opens and closes!!") and all the hip words like sustainable and carbon footprint stuff. And I think Elles was already a little bit drunk. ;)
The actual retail prices in a couple months will be lower. It’s the same with all new products. Cash in on early adopters then retail will lower the price. The recommended price on a company’s website is always much higher than retail. For example I’m looking to replace my stove. The Primus Omnilite is listed at 250€ on Primus website but I can easily find it for 160€ in retail. People forget that Mora gets paid perhaps 50-60€ for one of these knives. The rest is retail and tax.
Aside from the fact that much better knives can be bought for that price, the most distinctive feature of the mora brand was that it produced good knives at an affordable price, in short, price performance products. They gave up on it in this series. I like your every video very much and I've been your strict follower for a long time. Your energy is very high, your content is always excellent and tastefully prepared. Continuing like this, greetings from Türkiye ❤
If I had to guess how much they were going to be, like when I originally saw them I would have thought they would be around £60-£80. You can get lovely Ukrainian wood handled bushcraft knives for like £40 (bps/beavercraft).
9:23 what is the cube Marteen is chopping? the quality of the video is way better than before! i also liked the guitar @ 7:00 music very much! Thank you!
I love Mora and own a lot of knives from the brand. But at 200 euros for the quality, I'm out. I'd better stay with my favorite, the Garberg. The knives are beautiful and are basically what I always wanted from Mora but not at the price. 70-80 euros would be a realistic price. But not 200!
All the excuses for the price they have given were foreseeable circumstances. They knew they were going to price gouge from the start. It's a sad thing to see from such a trusted company.
I’m sure they are decent knives but it is laughable that Mora wants people to pay $200 for them. Nobody is going to pay that except Mora fan boys who have been dreaming about a wood handle Mora to complete their bushcraft cosplay outfit.😂 Personally I would pay no more than $100.
Now, I'll wait until these have been sitting for a year and grab one st clearance price. Or see if they release a Blank of this. Otherwise, I'm staying far far far away. Hopefully social media, comments and reviews, and lack of sales helps Mora realize they took a chance, and it failed.
LT.Wright please. I've got the 5" genesis, small northern hunter and a saber sospes. All of them have been great knives. The spine and a2 on the gen 5 is very impressive
People moaned at the price of the Garberg when it was released, but the knife did sell well. I thought the Garberg made sense; more money, for more steel. But this new range really do seem like too much money, for no more than an Ash handle. Like a cross between a Companion HD and a Garberg…but with a Fällkniven price tag! I love Mora knives but they’re taking the bloody piss with these
Morakniv are still the kings of budget knives, that’s undeniable. The Ashwood series are way too expensive considering that the 511 preformed the same. I won’t be buying them. I do like the Rhombo but it needs to be half the price and a bit bigger. Good luck to Mora with the sales. I’m sure the die hard fan bois will buy them. I’ll stick with my Companion.
Yup, they really missed the ball on this. I was hoping it would be at least 14c28n.... nope just 12c27... Joker knives have gorgeous sheaths, and thick slabs of 14c28n for half the price....
The less inexpensive Mora is thinner in geometry. It will always cut paper better, even if the edge sharpness is identical. Geometry determines the functionality of the heat treatment and the steel. Having said that, I don't buy into the "less of a carbon footprint." At least, what type of Steel is it? When you're paying that much money you want to know exactly what you're getting. Please don't hide behind "going green." If it's actually more efficient, why am I paying more?
I just got a tungur knivur puukko in AEBL & micarta with kydex for less than the LOK knife. That's a custom knife from an independent knife maker (FROM SWEDEN) £160 VS the Mora LOK £180. Good luck to Mora with their new line but I will not be getting one unless the price comes down. Also Moras response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback was pitiful. They have their affiliates in the comment sections condescending to people about the price, & they simply spammed the exact same copy and paste replies. NOT A GOOD LOOK. I lost a lot of respect for Mora with the way they handled the feedback.
Another great video Bushcraft boys. I like the look of them but personally i think even the garberg was overpriced when i bought it. VG10 F1 or Lionsteel M4 are still my go to;s Keep up the great work chaps! Love from UK.
Completion is fierce in the $200 range and while these are very nice looking & performing knives there is nothing that really sets them apart or that can justify the price. What’s the first thing everyone mentions when these knives are brought up or mentioned - the price.
So for about $220 (about 200 euros), I could get a Tops Storm Vector here in the USA, or a Tops BOB and have money left to get it a custom sheath. Alternatively, I can get an Esee Izula, 3, or 4 in S35VN and have about $80 left for whatever. $220 for a basic steel with wooden handles is ridiculous, regardless of performance.
If I have to spend more than 15 - 20 euros on a Mora knife, I'll consider going one step further... Then I'll look for knives from another manufacturer for the same purpose, but 4 -5 times as expensive... Before spending 100+ euros on a Mora, I'd rather pay 150+ euros on a Fällkniven. Easy decision. Finally, I have nothing AGAINST Mora, but in this case it doesn't add up.
I tend to agree with you: those are expansive for what they are but... ...What about "RayMears Bushcraft knife", LTWrite&Son and all other brands that sell that exact kind of knives, in that exact price range (or even more)? Mora just joined the game, following the rules that "other players made" (and that the buyers accepted); we can't be mad with Mora for it (since they continue to make the classic models... But if they stop; on the Garberg Dala Red there are the coordinates of the factory... Just saying...). Imagine if Mora come out with a "Bushlore clone" with 60-70 euro price point; many knife-maker will not sell another knife ever. I gues Mora people thought about this too; you know: when you step in someone else yard, better to follow their rules (Mora is a giant, can enter in the yard with arrogance and be fine... ...This is not the case for every knife maker, especially nowadays). For sure some extra income is good and appealing but there are many factors to consider, especially because "no one is forced to buy anything". I mean... ...Falkniven "wood line" is outrageously expensive lol (I really think is ridiculous; I just ignore it).
They made those knives for advertisment purposes, every one in bushcraft world laughs at "the most expensive mora" and at the same time they buy garberg, cause it doesn't feel that expensive right now. The whole"eco" talk is bullshit. But, tbh, "eco" talk were always bullshit. Companies are making stuff from recycled materials, which were already made, used, and thrown away, so why is it more expensive? They don't have to make anything from scratch, they have almost ready product. Also, how can normal people become more "eco", when they have to pay twice the amount of a normal, "not-so-eco" product? Just be honest for Christ sake, people are not that dumb, as they used to be, when "eco" were just at the begining.
I am a Mora fan ... I own 7 Mora ... I pay my good Garberg multimount 77 euros . It is 14C28 ... The Ash Wood at almost 200 euros for 12C27 ... NO Mora , thanks ... I am not crazy ... More than 100-110 euros is not serious for that ...
I appreciate that Mora have been shouldering the burden of being astonishingly good value for so long in the bushcraft community BUT have been using nasty plasticy rubbery handles and stick tangs that most knife users after their early years evolve away from, wanting better quality materials/design. *They have misjudged on the prices though* . They look like great knifes and I'd happily get the whole set but for half that price. In a nutshell the steel is just not good enough to warrant such a crazy price.
I would price them at between $40 and $80. I am a Mora user and fan. With that said I think most name brand knives are over priced by %50-%60. There are very few knives out there that should cost more than $100 bucks. Everybody is paying big money for knives with super Steels that take the fun out of having enough cuz you never have to sharpen them. But when you do have to sharpen them its a pain in the butt because the steel so hard.
These seem like showpiece knives to me. You want function get a companion. You want more robust and reliable, get a garberg. You want to point at something in a case and say, "yeah, I bought that!!" then get one of these. They ARE pretty. But there are too many options with better materials in that price range.
they look pretty nice but it seems like those moras a just regular mora knives with a handle made out of 2x4 way too expensive for what it is. also that promo code is hiliarious I might have to go order something from boker just to use it
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Anything over $100 is simply ludicrous. Period. Their own knives beat these! And any spine can be sharpened, so that $10-30 mora will be as good with fire making with a longer blade (companion HD stainless).
Know what reduces the carbon footprint?? Not buying more knives...I've done my part and not bought these 🤣.
hahaha true!
@Dutch Bushcraft Knives thank you for doing this though! Your one of the channels I never miss
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If they used 14c28 or aeb-l without the coating i would have been fine with it
Those knives better have Magnacut blade steel for me to pay that much. I’ll stick with LT Wright and Bark River for that kind of money.
Hello Mikkie and Maarten, I agree they're too expensive at most perhaps $100 ea., but then with what's out there..... Keep up the good work, be safe and take care, "God Bless", sincerely, Randy. 🙏😇👊
P.S.: JFYI-should ya misplace any Easter eggs and find 'em a couple days later just toss 'em out, don't crack 'em open to check, or else! Personal experience from childhood!!!😖
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I bought some months ago a Fällkniven F1 in VG Wolf steel. A knife that is a better slicer with extreme sharpness due to the wolfram. I cost me almost exactly like the new Mora does. To pay the same money for this new Mora doesn't tempt me at all. In this case I think Moras has got hybris.
I can see a certain group of Mora knife collectors buying these, but most people are going to buy something else at these prices. It would be interesting how they would compare with the BPS knives BS3FTS Mora type design. More similar than different. Yeah, 1066 versus 12C27N. Comparison to a Mora Companion Spark would be interesting as well.
12c27 is not a nitrogen steel so no N on it.
@@EDCandLace yeah, its not, wish it were. My bad.
I have bought the whole set for my elves and unicorns to fix my premium snake skin slippers. Thanks for testing Dutchmen.
They're definitely doing what Seiko is doing where they make a bunch of expensive upscale products then they'll start slowly discontinuing all of the cheap stuff.
Yall should try the new vosteed grind, folder with true scandi, 154cm, 60ish hrc around 75 bucks. Thinner spine, sliciest folder I've ever felt out the box.
Still a mora fan. Though I'm not buying these models. Hehe. And in my opinion the jaakaripuukko 110 is the best bang for the buck you can get.
This video has helped so much as I didn’t know what one is like better but thing it is the whit, when will u guys test a Ben orford knife as they r the number one bushcraft knife at the minute and would be interesting to c ur thoughts 👍🏻love the videos btw 😁
£100 over priced as a collector, unfortunately I won't be purchasing especially as you've stated if your going into the Fallkniven price range. I Love Mora and have nearly every single edition from Kansbol, garberg and neck knives to the special editions but won't be adding these until they are at least half priced.
mora is doing what everyone else is doing over priced if they were 120 to 140 they would be flying off the shelves they look nice sharp comfortable steel is good but not for what they are asking still love mora
I think it might have been marketing genius from Morakniv...
Remember how a lot of people bashed the Garberg when it came out?... Doesn't look like such a bad deal now, does it?
I wonder if thats the reason? I never thought twice of buying a garberg until after these came up.....
Well, my good friend, you're not the only one. If until now the discourse was "I won't buy a Garberg because it is overpriced" now it's more like "Why buy this when I can buy a Garberg for less than half the price with a better steel?".
If that was the intention with these knives, then hats off for Morakniv...
Are the blades getting smaller to keep up with Shrinkflation as well 😂
Mikkies weaner need to watch out for Shrinkflation 😂😂
The price is an overkill, I wrote them that it would be amazing if they could make a budget version of it for say 50-70 euro.
I think the design is nice and they would have a lot orders for such a knife with lower price.
But they responded that I am "welcome to buy or not to buy".
Well if that's all they have to say... I say Jääkäripuukkoooooo!!! 🤯
… and the Swedish krona has never been at a lower exchange rate compared to EUR and USD, so anything exported from Sweden SHOULD be as cheap as it gets right now.
How is the fit and finish on the grips?
Are those knifes really hand made like mora claims?
Can you guys please test the Tekut Survival knife
Only €840 for 4 Mora knives 😂
What going on ??
If this is the future I don’t want any part of it
Why wouldn't I just buy Condor?
Wow missed this video when it came out just watching now. What the hell, Mora!!?? $199.00 USD for the Finn (3.5 inch) on amazon!! I just bought a Fallkniven Scout R2 for $160, and it has Elmax!! I don't see this line of knives being around long. Considering what they are made from, It's honestly a little offensive they are asking that much.
It may be better as a gift or only for people really concerned about their carbon footprint
Not saying this is what Mora is thinking but..., successive and younger generations are coming into the bushcrafting/outdoor world who are earning substantially more income than earlier generations, thanks to the internet, whose decision making sign posts are things like "saving the planet." They respond to selling points like "recycle..." and "smaller footprint..." as much as, if not more than, traditional selling points like steel performance and design functionality etc...and would throw their money at a company that can offer a widget that align with their "planet saving" virtues vs. a company that just provides a less expensive comparable or even better product that don't "appear" to be making the same efforts. No opinion on the philosphy but Mora already has a good reputation in general to use as a spring board to market to this growing consumer base. It happened with the organic food market. Just tossing the ball around with this thought.
No, just NO!! I have a Garberg and thought that to be expensive for a Mora, these prices are just insane! Just look at the competition they have at this price point, even from other Scandi makers! I would maybe consider one at 80 euro, but at these prices no.
Why? You can get a Benchmade leuku for $180? Maybe I’ll start making fires with $5 tinder sticks…
I'm guessing that it should not be more than twice the price of a regular Mara knive. Kr
These knives are for people who only buy Moras, and they’ve already owned all other Mora models.. and they don’t know what else to do with their money.
Nice, looking blades, though..
I think it may take mora quite a long time to get over this mistake... and let's call it what it is... a mistake!
At the MOST, I’d see these knives being worth splurging $120 on. At the ABSOLUTE MOST. Mostly because I understand what they’re trying to do with the sustainability of their manufacturing processes. I just don’t personally see that justifying a $200 price tag on a knife made with the exact same steel and heat treatment as your products that are in the $10 to $27 price range. Makes absolutely no sense.
The minimum for a 200 knife would bé to know the composition of thé Steel.
I'm selling cheaper RWL34 Knives....
@@JordanMac79 oh shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I contacted Mora and told them their new knives were way overpriced considering the specs. you can buy 15 companion knives for the price of one Lok, absolute joke I wont be getting one.
When fist world living people begin to complain about price of famous blade brand,in this moment I'd say,Houston we have a problem!!!😂😂😂😂
100 -120 € is a reasonable price.
Seriously, these two deserve so many more subs than they have. Dudes are freakin hilarious.🤣🤣
we appreciate your kind words john! Thank you so much
even the one with the tiny thingy is funny! 😸👌
Hell yeah brother!
@@DutchBushcraftKnives thank you for the comedy relief. I watch everything you guys post, and I’ve never not laughed from one of them. Favorite knifetubers. You guys are fantastic.
My opinion is that there's nothing these blades can do that most other Moras I already own can't do just as well. I haven't used one, and can't comment on how they function, but I feel confident saying that the materials are "budget" materials, with a semi-custom price. 5/10 is kind, in my opinion, and I know I won't be buying these blades.
Morakniv, I'm a fan, not a martyr.
These ones look pretty.
Spot on POW, bruh! Ibthink alike! Won't buy one!
Dont gwt me wrong, I love mora but.. The whole point of mora is the price, i never even went near the garberg because its not moras fashion, i usually just buy blade blanks and make my own handles
@@a.i.a3949 Any other Mora knife, is better than the Garberg. Worst handle, worst blade design of all their models. Unfortunately Mora, has turned into a company with their marketing targeting how to make more money easily, rather than how to make more money, by providing a good quality and perfectly designed product, as they used to do in the past. That's greediness and it's the only thing I hate in my life. I'm sad that this company, has turned 180 degrees on the wrong direction, and I''ve already stopped getting Moras, since they produced the Garberg.
@Greek Veteran Yeah agreed Allthough i actually dislike the mora 200/kansbol blade shape more than the garberg, they break so damn easily, as for the garberg or big survival knives or full external tang knifes its just not their style, like kbar dont make a traditonal pukkos (to my knowledge) they stick to what they're good at and mora should do the same, which is manufacturing the most cost efficient while still usable pukko style blades.
Allthough admittedly these days i tend to buy blade blanks from laurin metali (the guys who make the blades for the terava jaukariupukko (cant remember how its spelt) the heat treatment and steel quality seems to hold up slightly better from my experience than mora.
I eat through carbon mora no. 2 blades within about 2-3 years if im using and resharpening them often, i have the same mora no 2 handle i started with years ago but on the 3rd blade now. Old blades are still usable and in new handles for gifts to friends but they dont hold a good edge as its been sharpened down to the core.
The good thing about this channel is we never have to wait long to find out what they think. If something is new they will do a video on it! Good work boys!
thanks a lot!
No one is going to pay $200+ US for these knives!
And $200 USD (at the time I type this) is about $250 CND. Imagine paying that for a "recycled stainless" blade with ash wood handles... Riiight.
Basic steel, basic wood (ash wood costs 57 Euros for 1m3)... :/
Damn right,i do love my mora kansbol except for this 200 knife, i'll back away from it like a plague!
says the guy who can't afford it . trust me there is a buyer for everything
for the cheap mora !!!!!😄
For the price of one new Mora you can get Skrama 240 and Skrama 80 or Jääkäripuukko, it wouldn't be a difficult choice.
Much agreed!
Those are pretty ugly compared to these though. Looks are important. Especially in outdoor shops which is what these are aimed at.
@@tor2919 yeah but they don't justify charging 180$ more for the same knife with a nicer handle.
I heard a pretty annoying problem with the cooking knife is that when food inevitably gets in the screw holes, it's not that easy to wash it out and the water stays in there and damages the wood. Pretty big flaw for a $200+ cooking knife
Thats why you clean it and dry it..what do you just wash and throw them into the drawer...its its really really easy and you start learning it at a young age when you and a sibling are on fishes duty..shit you can even use air blowers if you want to be really careful but usually it only takes the 4 corners of a dish towel 🤣😂🤣😅ffs man
200€ for all four together, then it would be fair😂
Thats what I thought at first. 😂 “reasonable”
And they would sell tonnes of them at that price...
Even that would be somewhat expensive.
I saw them at the DKE and was just about to buy this set because Mora has always a good pricing.
Oh was i wrong... the guy said it will be 800 eur. I runned away as fast as possible and im still hiding in my basement.
Yeah, I did exactly what Mikkie suggested a few weeks ago and got an F1 in cos for 185€ which is still cheaper than most new moras. Remember when Fallkniven was considered overpriced? And now it is a better budget option to Mora. Times are wild.
Fallkniven doesn’t compete with these though. F1 looks like a tactical knife and most outdoor people are put off by that.
Honestly it's still are good knife, they still make an attractive product, and there's really no problem with the quality. But if only a few people are complaining, it's fine, but almost everyone is complaining about the price, then it's really a problem. Although the whole world is in inflation, all businesses are starting to increase prices, which is understandable, but their pricing this time, you can say that the step is too big, ordinary metal and ordinary wood plus the incomprehensible market pricing ...
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got some kind of sticker shock when checking the Felco secateurs range the other day. they now have a couple 249€ models. super duper premium limited edition with leather covered handles and nice matte black finish for everything else. 😅
funny thing is when you really use them, they last decades so it ends up costin' something like a couple euros per month including spare parts along the way. even a few eurocents if they get the same longevity as my grandfather's ones from the early fifties. still working, parts still available and third generation using them hoping to pass them to the fourth in due time. 😏👌
those Moras though, bit expensive but when looking long term, who cares. plus we'll be soon having so much inflation that we'll laugh at those prices when paying 500000000000€ for a stale loaf of sawdust bread and double that the next day... 😂
It's a rip off plan and simple. You might be ok with it but it's just taking advantage of people
If Mora priced this series any less, it would take too much of their customer base away from their own budget and mid range collection.
These knives aren't meant for the people who buy most of their products based on budget. The sales from these don't take away from other's, they are just adding to the bottom line. It's actually pretty smart.
It was the exact same panic when the Bushcraft series launched ten years ago “omg 45€ for a Mora I can buy a 511 for 7€”
The again when the Garberg was launched “omg 100€ for a Mora…”
I mean it was the exact same reactions down to the letter. And it also explains why it’s important for healthy companies to not put themselves in a corner with low pricing. You need money makers with a high profit margin which also build the brand.
I’d get if people were upset if Mora cancelled the Companion but that isn’t the case. So frankly I don’t get this at all. But then I wasn’t upset when they released the Bushcraft or Garberg either. At least these look like good knives unlike Bushcraft (awful handle) and Garberg (heavy and cuts like sh*t)
OMG 😳😳😳 $200+ USD for a recycled materials knife. Lower Carbon footprint or not, nobody is spending $200+ on a Mora. They really made a blunder on this one. It might be a 10/10 knife but people in the knife community won't buy these. The ONLY market I can see for these would be weekend warrior environmental hipsters who have absolutely no knowledge of knife steels and are purely sold on the thought that they are helping the environment. If Mora was smart they would just use reclaimed wood or recycled wood fiber for the handles instead of plastic. That's a win/win.
A Tramontina machete is the same and costs $20
Yeah but you still bought it. Other reviews will buy it and have bought it. they've easily had 30k or 40k through the door just from reviewers since it's release already. They don't care what you think of the price, they are making money, tons of money in fact, and also in a preemptive strategy to raising their prices on the cheaper stuff.
"We're not here to bash Mora, nevertheless ..." :D
But seriously, It's well deserved, they went totally nuts with their pricing with those ....
You can either help recycling, and be sustainable, or you can keep being a wasteful dick. Your choice.
Because they knew they'd get away with it
@@F3EDER I strongly doubt they'll sell much of those at this price ...
I just discovered that both my (late grandfather's) old belt knifes are super old Erik Frost Mora puukkos... gotta be 50+ years old.
thats awesome! I think morakniv has a lot of archives to find the name of the old models and when and where they were made
I appreciate your honesty addressing the elephant in the room (price).
I know I'll never buy those knives for that, not even if it had 14c28n.
The price range of these new knives from the world knife price leader Morakniv may have good impact to world knife market because all other knives looks having reasonable price when you compare to these ash wood series.
Pointless. They didn’t even make them on par with the gardberg performance-wise, while pricing them close to a malanika :).disappointing
Not going to replace my Garberg Carbon anytime soon. Thanks for reviewing these, Gents. Cheers.
200 euros, crazy. I like my 10$ Mora Basic as much as my 20$ Mora Classic no. 1. And I am not the guy who is like "they are 10$, so I don't care if I lost them or break them". I like them for another reason - they are simple, yet they can perform a lot of tasks perfectly. And this is exacatly why I like being in the woods - for the simplicity and, I would even say, honesty of the moment. There is only you and the wood. Cheap but effective knife totally fits this feeling.
Anyways, 200$ - wow, crazy.
Mora is the only made in Sweden knifemaker left. I’m quite happy they’re trying to move into premium because it might mean they’re able to stay in business. No one survives in the low end unless they move production to China (like Spyderco, Buck and most other makes have done).
I think we should all be happy we can actually buy a made in Sweden Kansbol, Companion or 511.
Mora has always made premium knives in the past, like the Laplander for example. Even though most people aren’t aware.
@@tor2919 such low-volume knives are not going to help their business anyways I think. I am okay with them selling such expensive knives, but the competition in 200 euro price area is huge and their propositions doesn't look strong to me.
Once again DBK proves being the best knives channel on YT. Greetings from Argentina
Until you make the video, it's all speculation...I have spoken!
I have enjoyed every single DBK upload especially when I'm watching them while carving with my bugout.
haha thank you so much
They look like good knives; but you can get three or four Mora's or one fallkniven for the same price. Still awsome video!
Yesterday, I had some bushcrafter ask me if I could sharpen his bushcrafting knife; and also "do the spine like you would hockey ice-skates". I had to think twice about that one; but he had a point; and last time he went ice-skating; he had his ice-skates sharpened; and also the spine of his knife; and it performed wonderfull for firesteel scraping. So I hollow-ground the spine of his knife; and it scraped firesteel like crazy; you should really try that. In the Netherlands you can find plenty of places to sharpen ice-skates.
nice, i usually square them with a diamond file then finish with the big carbide scrapper. gotta try that ice skatin' profile on the next one. 😺👌
Great vid boys, I agree that's overpriced. Considering the leather sheath and the nice wood handle, it doesn't worth more than 20-25€ over the Garberg
Its not worth 20 over the standard 511. It literally cost them nothing in materials, its recycled!
@@reikyfoxxe1847 so recycled means free for you? dafuq, we need energy and work to recycle these materials. 😅😅😅😅
@@reikyfoxxe1847you are us American or British
@@reikyfoxxe1847 the Moras are press cut from a metal sheet, this mora ful tang, means more than double of metal tahn any other Mora. They perform well, are great knifes that you can depend on, I just don't see 200€
@@babaarsch9391 murica
They could keep the price but swap the steel for Elmax and I would be on board
exactly! It wouldn't up the production costs that much I think
I know mora probably has a lot of overhead and they’re doing things in a very environmentally friendly way but there are comparable options that are a fraction of the price. When I saw these announced the first thing I thought of was BPS knives and what a great value they are. Of course there are differences, stainless mora vs 1066 BPS, expensive mora packaging vs cheap packaging, and I’m sure the mora fit and finish is superior. Also it just occurred to me, do the Mora knives even have a sheath?BPS has a nice leather sheath and in some cases a fire steel and is also full tang with oak handles.
To me these Mora knives seem like either a collectors piece or a money grab while pleasing all the people who’ve been asking for a full tang mora knife all these years. For that kind of money though, there’s just too many exceptional options from other production companies or even small “custom” makers and you’ll get way more for your money.
Yeah, reminds me of BPS knives.
I realize Mora think they are being environmentally friendly, but their pricing would cause an environmental disaster in most people's wallets!
So it's about like a $40 Ukrainian knife
Wow. That's wayyy to expensive for the materials you get. Thoughs wood handles don't even look like there treated for weather resistants. I'll stick with my kansbol and bushcraft black. I think these knives will become just collectors items if anything and morakniv will lose money on them.
Kansbol is a great knife! I've bought the Blanks for it to make my own custom knife, and they are great
Thanks DBK for the honest vid!!
I saw the Lok knife review already couple of weeks ago on a other channel and i saw the price and i thought that is bullsh#t.
Sorry but there are so many brands to choose from and with better steals so won't be my first choice these new Morakniv.
I think it would be more for collectors of Morakniv these new serie of knives.
For $250 USD I’ll get a Helle Nord
My last knife is now a 16 " blade 5160 spring steel, full tang, fighting guard, 5 chira Kukri. What a beast of a knife. Hand made in Nepal. I probably take it out 20 times a day and look with amazement at it how beastly it is. I would love to see Martin and well we all know it is Survival Lilly in male drag going by the name of Mickey do a destruction test on it. Does trolling ever get old! I think not!
I think 75-100€ would have been a reasonable price tag. The thing I noticed when they launched them in the live video at IWA is that a lot of the money probably went to the design and development team because the knives themselves were not as important as the blah blah blah about the cardboard box ("ooh wow, look how it opens and closes!!") and all the hip words like sustainable and carbon footprint stuff. And I think Elles was already a little bit drunk. ;)
Not so much design team as marketing.
The actual retail prices in a couple months will be lower. It’s the same with all new products. Cash in on early adopters then retail will lower the price. The recommended price on a company’s website is always much higher than retail. For example I’m looking to replace my stove. The Primus Omnilite is listed at 250€ on Primus website but I can easily find it for 160€ in retail.
People forget that Mora gets paid perhaps 50-60€ for one of these knives. The rest is retail and tax.
Aside from the fact that much better knives can be bought for that price, the most distinctive feature of the mora brand was that it produced good knives at an affordable price, in short, price performance products. They gave up on it in this series. I like your every video very much and I've been your strict follower for a long time. Your energy is very high, your content is always excellent and tastefully prepared. Continuing like this, greetings from Türkiye ❤
They look the part. But I'll stick with my Garberg and my Clipper. I can afford those and they work.
If I had to guess how much they were going to be, like when I originally saw them I would have thought they would be around £60-£80. You can get lovely Ukrainian wood handled bushcraft knives for like £40 (bps/beavercraft).
I'm definitely a kind of fanboy to Morakniv but for budget around 200€ for an carbon blade, I would prefer a TOPS BOB Fieldcraft or even an ESEE PR4.
Cool knives, thanks guys for the vid.
9:23 what is the cube Marteen is chopping?
the quality of the video is way better than before!
i also liked the guitar @ 7:00 music very much!
Thank you!
I love Mora and own a lot of knives from the brand. But at 200 euros for the quality, I'm out. I'd better stay with my favorite, the Garberg. The knives are beautiful and are basically what I always wanted from Mora but not at the price. 70-80 euros would be a realistic price. But not 200!
All the excuses for the price they have given were foreseeable circumstances. They knew they were going to price gouge from the start. It's a sad thing to see from such a trusted company.
I’m sure they are decent knives but it is laughable that Mora wants people to pay $200 for them. Nobody is going to pay that except Mora fan boys who have been dreaming about a wood handle Mora to complete their bushcraft cosplay outfit.😂
Personally I would pay no more than $100.
Now, I'll wait until these have been sitting for a year and grab one st clearance price. Or see if they release a Blank of this.
Otherwise, I'm staying far far far away. Hopefully social media, comments and reviews, and lack of sales helps Mora realize they took a chance, and it failed.
LT.Wright please. I've got the 5" genesis, small northern hunter and a saber sospes. All of them have been great knives. The spine and a2 on the gen 5 is very impressive
I was so hyped until I saw the price go buy a Jaakaripuukko, a Esee 4hm or like 2 garberg and some companion HD
People moaned at the price of the Garberg when it was released, but the knife did sell well. I thought the Garberg made sense; more money, for more steel.
But this new range really do seem like too much money, for no more than an Ash handle.
Like a cross between a Companion HD and a Garberg…but with a Fällkniven price tag! I love Mora knives but they’re taking the bloody piss with these
Morakniv are still the kings of budget knives, that’s undeniable.
The Ashwood series are way too expensive considering that the 511 preformed the same.
I won’t be buying them. I do like the Rhombo but it needs to be half the price and a bit bigger.
Good luck to Mora with the sales. I’m sure the die hard fan bois will buy them.
I’ll stick with my Companion.
Yup, they really missed the ball on this. I was hoping it would be at least 14c28n.... nope just 12c27...
Joker knives have gorgeous sheaths, and thick slabs of 14c28n for half the price....
Still the carbon garberg for me every time.
amazing how they covered such a vast range in price with so little in between
The less inexpensive Mora is thinner in geometry. It will always cut paper better, even if the edge sharpness is identical. Geometry determines the functionality of the heat treatment and the steel. Having said that, I don't buy into the "less of a carbon footprint." At least, what type of Steel is it? When you're paying that much money you want to know exactly what you're getting. Please don't hide behind "going green." If it's actually more efficient, why am I paying more?
Loved the shots and cinematics, sound and effects are on point. I can truly notice the improvements over the years, proud of yall :,)
The small one 90€
The mid sized one 100-110€
The big one 125€
The food knife 100€
I just got a tungur knivur puukko in AEBL & micarta with kydex for less than the LOK knife. That's a custom knife from an independent knife maker (FROM SWEDEN)
£160 VS the Mora LOK £180.
Good luck to Mora with their new line but I will not be getting one unless the price comes down.
Also Moras response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback was pitiful.
They have their affiliates in the comment sections condescending to people about the price, & they simply spammed the exact same copy and paste replies.
NOT A GOOD LOOK.
I lost a lot of respect for Mora with the way they handled the feedback.
Another great video Bushcraft boys. I like the look of them but personally i think even the garberg was overpriced when i bought it. VG10 F1 or Lionsteel M4 are still my go to;s
Keep up the great work chaps! Love from UK.
Completion is fierce in the $200 range and while these are very nice looking & performing knives there is nothing that really sets them apart or that can justify the price.
What’s the first thing everyone mentions when these knives are brought up or mentioned - the price.
So for about $220 (about 200 euros), I could get a Tops Storm Vector here in the USA, or a Tops BOB and have money left to get it a custom sheath. Alternatively, I can get an Esee Izula, 3, or 4 in S35VN and have about $80 left for whatever. $220 for a basic steel with wooden handles is ridiculous, regardless of performance.
If I have to spend more than 15 - 20 euros on a Mora knife, I'll consider going one step further... Then I'll look for knives from another manufacturer for the same purpose, but 4 -5 times as expensive... Before spending 100+ euros on a Mora, I'd rather pay 150+ euros on a Fällkniven. Easy decision. Finally, I have nothing AGAINST Mora, but in this case it doesn't add up.
I tend to agree with you: those are expansive for what they are but...
...What about "RayMears Bushcraft knife", LTWrite&Son and all other brands that sell that exact kind of knives, in that exact price range (or even more)?
Mora just joined the game, following the rules that "other players made" (and that the buyers accepted); we can't be mad with Mora for it (since they continue to make the classic models... But if they stop; on the Garberg Dala Red there are the coordinates of the factory... Just saying...).
Imagine if Mora come out with a "Bushlore clone" with 60-70 euro price point; many knife-maker will not sell another knife ever. I gues Mora people thought about this too; you know: when you step in someone else yard, better to follow their rules (Mora is a giant, can enter in the yard with arrogance and be fine... ...This is not the case for every knife maker, especially nowadays).
For sure some extra income is good and appealing but there are many factors to consider, especially because "no one is forced to buy anything". I mean...
...Falkniven "wood line" is outrageously expensive lol (I really think is ridiculous; I just ignore it).
They made those knives for advertisment purposes, every one in bushcraft world laughs at "the most expensive mora" and at the same time they buy garberg, cause it doesn't feel that expensive right now. The whole"eco" talk is bullshit. But, tbh, "eco" talk were always bullshit. Companies are making stuff from recycled materials, which were already made, used, and thrown away, so why is it more expensive? They don't have to make anything from scratch, they have almost ready product. Also, how can normal people become more "eco", when they have to pay twice the amount of a normal, "not-so-eco" product? Just be honest for Christ sake, people are not that dumb, as they used to be, when "eco" were just at the begining.
I am a Mora fan ... I own 7 Mora ...
I pay my good Garberg multimount 77 euros . It is 14C28 ...
The Ash Wood at almost 200 euros for 12C27 ... NO Mora , thanks ... I am not crazy ...
More than 100-110 euros is not serious for that ...
I appreciate that Mora have been shouldering the burden of being astonishingly good value for so long in the bushcraft community BUT have been using nasty plasticy rubbery handles and stick tangs that most knife users after their early years evolve away from, wanting better quality materials/design. *They have misjudged on the prices though* . They look like great knifes and I'd happily get the whole set but for half that price. In a nutshell the steel is just not good enough to warrant such a crazy price.
I would price them at between $40 and $80. I am a Mora user and fan. With that said I think most name brand knives are over priced by %50-%60. There are very few knives out there that should cost more than $100 bucks. Everybody is paying big money for knives with super Steels that take the fun out of having enough cuz you never have to sharpen them. But when you do have to sharpen them its a pain in the butt because the steel so hard.
These seem like showpiece knives to me. You want function get a companion. You want more robust and reliable, get a garberg. You want to point at something in a case and say, "yeah, I bought that!!" then get one of these. They ARE pretty. But there are too many options with better materials in that price range.
I’ll never voluntarily pay more for something for “green” policies…
Just for spite, I’ll pay extra if you club a baby seal or burn some extra oil!
Wow. You can get a s90v 4.5 inch G10 folder for $100, so good luck on that price point MORA. Yikes.
they look pretty nice but it seems like those moras a just regular mora knives with a handle made out of 2x4 way too expensive for what it is.
also that promo code is hiliarious I might have to go order something from boker just to use it