The Surprising Reason Why Plato Hated Innovation

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  • @bi.johnathan
    @bi.johnathan  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Instead of ad reads, my channel is funded directly by people passionate about the Great Books. Help me keep making more episodes with a paid subscription: johnathanbi.com
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    * Full transcript: open.substack.com/pub/johnathanbi/p/transcript-for-intellectual-history
    I drew heavily from Benoît Godin's work (affiliate):
    * Innovation Contested: amzn.to/3Wpp8n9
    * My book notes: www.johnathanbi.com/p/innovation-contested-by-benoit-godin
    TIMESTAMPS
    00:00:00 0. Introduction
    00:07:28 1. What is Innovation
    00:12:03 2.1. The Classical View: Plato
    00:17:22 2.2. The Classical View: Innovatio
    00:20:54 2.3. The Classical View: Machiavelli
    00:24:47 3. The Reformation View
    00:29:28 4.1. The Modern View: Utility
    00:32:24 4.2. The Modern View: Quantification
    00:34:19 4.3. The Modern View: Increase of Knowledge
    00:34:36 4.4. The Modern View: Innovation Rehabilitated
    00:36:57 5.1. Prescriptions: Innovation as Fetish
    00:42:14 5.2. Prescriptions: Critique of Technological Innovation
    00:51:12 6. Girard's Philosophy of Innovation
    01:09:47 7. Conclusion

    • @KitaJabig
      @KitaJabig 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cover your nipples

  • @brandonsballing826
    @brandonsballing826 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Forget everything else, you need to give speech tutorials and strategies, as every aspect of your speeches are flawlessly perfect.

  • @123axel123
    @123axel123 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Innovation makes people forget discussing good and evil. So many good points in this lecture

    • @coreyrachar9694
      @coreyrachar9694 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Evil resides in the gaze that sees evil in all things.... or whatever.

  • @Marcus-Lim
    @Marcus-Lim 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I love the classrooms you choose, true environments of learning.

    • @chenxixiao4015
      @chenxixiao4015 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Anyone know where it is

    • @n9o
      @n9o 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@chenxixiao4015 the description states it is the university of Austin

  • @vinodpractical
    @vinodpractical 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You blew my mind away. I was not ready for it.

  • @ruatarengsicolneyrengsi8924
    @ruatarengsicolneyrengsi8924 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Terrific lecture. For technology, you could add Neil Postman's book
    ' Technopoly' in your reading list, if you haven't.

  • @stevenmatetcho3229
    @stevenmatetcho3229 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I’m your biggest fan From Ghana 🇬🇭 Africa.. 😊. I’ll come back to watch this once more anytime someone likes 👍 this Comment

  • @DESCOLAPSO
    @DESCOLAPSO 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Brilliant, Professor Johnathan. Congratulations. I shared the link to your class with my Master's students in Behavior and Consumer Sciences at ESPM (São Paulo, Brazil) where I teach Strategic Analysis of Future Scenarios with an emphasis on Innovation. I also included it in the playlist of inspiring videos on my modest TH-cam channel. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge. Best regards. - Flavio Ferrari

  • @DenzelCierra
    @DenzelCierra 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Great work, Mr. Bi - I used to listen to a podcast called, "Philosophize This!" and now onto yours.

  • @dialogos585
    @dialogos585 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is wonderful. I have worked with a colleague who is an innovation evangelist (as a business consultant) and it has been challenging to find a way to question the value of an incessant push for the New. In reviewing his latest book, I asked him where does Wisdom come in? Or aims that are transcendent? The question of meaning is helpful. Someone already suggested a dialogue with Pageau, I second that! And perhaps Vervaeke too. Thank you for sharing your brilliance with us. I always learn a lot.

  • @benbusinovski2937
    @benbusinovski2937 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks, Jonathan. This lecture inspired me to deep-dive into Russian Formalism and Natural Language Processing text mining of some classic texts.

  • @furqanabbasi1549
    @furqanabbasi1549 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Currently my favourite philosophy channel after the great Michael Sugrue ❤️❤️

    • @faiqalishah1713
      @faiqalishah1713 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      He might be the new Sugrue coz his way of articulating the ideas is very similar,walking back and forth and throwing
      philosophical daggers.

    • @asantekwabena5827
      @asantekwabena5827 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same

  • @danielnyongesa7541
    @danielnyongesa7541 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Thank you Jonathan. I hope you don't start charging the videos. The Girad class was epic

    • @newyorkalb
      @newyorkalb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol all this information has been for free the last 400 years if only you had the will or intellect to grasp it…

    • @danielnyongesa7541
      @danielnyongesa7541 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@newyorkalb we encounter such knowledge by chance sometimes.

    • @abdulaiyakubu7942
      @abdulaiyakubu7942 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He made it more easier to grasp

  • @TThomasCPA
    @TThomasCPA 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Incredible content that no one else is out there sharing. Thank you for your work!

  • @BioRoot
    @BioRoot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Can’t wait to binge these! Glad you started posting again

  • @utkarshsingh7204
    @utkarshsingh7204 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow my best time spent on TH-cam is on your videos your video on genealogy of morality changed my perspective on life

  • @Psyfertospsb
    @Psyfertospsb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Wake up Johnathan dropped another video

    • @bi.johnathan
      @bi.johnathan  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Merch idea: Pet rooster that crows whenever I drop a new lecture

    • @simonnilsson5356
      @simonnilsson5356 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@bi.johnathantoo innovative

  • @zando5108
    @zando5108 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Dark Academia Final Boss

  • @bextv2526
    @bextv2526 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hope this genre of conent finds the right people and hopefully grows the space. I hope one to attend your lectures

  • @johncolinhalbig
    @johncolinhalbig 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Incredible lecture as always! Have you heard of Jonathan Pageau? I think a conversation between the two of you would be fascinating. Keep up the great work.

    • @Verulam1626
      @Verulam1626 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I asked him this personally once. He does know of him, but I fear the latter would be suspect of the former.

    • @Verulam1626
      @Verulam1626 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hard to see how, but Bi is largely what Pageau warns us of

  • @Sid_vj
    @Sid_vj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Viewers rocked, John Rocked

  • @Erish_7
    @Erish_7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    i miss the suit

    • @bi.johnathan
      @bi.johnathan  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      It was middle of summer in Dallas when I filmed this last year, I plead for a pardon kind sir

    • @Erish_7
      @Erish_7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@bi.johnathan Has a woman who knew she was well-dressed ever caught a cold?
      - Friedrich Nietzsche

    • @j.l.w9563
      @j.l.w9563 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Na, it's chad Johnathan. Get used to Chad Jonathan.

    • @justinleemiller
      @justinleemiller 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Still looks like a million bucks

    • @testing-vj2ke
      @testing-vj2ke 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Erish_7 no, but has sweat in the heat, profusely in fact.

  • @SK-rv8oz
    @SK-rv8oz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I believe this channel is going to be the biggest in the next 2 years

  • @Muskelfabrikken
    @Muskelfabrikken 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you sir, you've made my day.

  • @jamm_affinity
    @jamm_affinity 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The irony of this is that if everyone does any single strategy, it dilutes itself. The proliferation of survival strategies makes us more robust. I agree with many of your points, and I too would like to tell people to be more firmly rooted in something in the past, but what is the past now other than a ghost? All of these things are concepts floating around in our minds and as such they don’t really represent our intentions. No one actually sees Jesus walking on water. No one I know sees God. These are airy ideals that serve to brand the Self just as those who define themselves by the lack of a belief.
    I suppose that all human phenomena are on some level a type of complex branding that we don’t fully understand. It’s not a bad thing that some people are programmed to be against and some for. The outcome produces a wide range of emotions and responses to phenomenon and without this wide range of responses, society would have ossified, and likely died out, long ago.

  • @felipefigueira79
    @felipefigueira79 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So deep! So good!

  • @PatriceDeCafmeyer
    @PatriceDeCafmeyer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super interesting, thank you!

  • @mikailmaqsood818
    @mikailmaqsood818 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    9:41 ‘innovation then, at its core, is a social-political concept’ 🫢

  • @gideonocholi130
    @gideonocholi130 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is Excellent content 💯/💯

  • @MiyamotoMusashi9
    @MiyamotoMusashi9 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Know thyself

  • @jay3yogi
    @jay3yogi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    good speech

  • @obadiah60623
    @obadiah60623 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Innovation’s core limitation is rooted in the fact that it pursues truth through 😊a counter intuitive rather than non intuitive framework. No elegance.

  • @Literaturesoundsgood
    @Literaturesoundsgood 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great insights.

  • @ikinglopez749
    @ikinglopez749 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hmmm... I still think innovation has significant intrinsic value that the talk hasn't touched on yet.
    Innovation is rooted in play, playfulness, and experimentation. When we play and experiment, we're exploring what our bodies and minds are capable of without having an instrumental goal. Being aware of and discovering what we can do is an intrinsic good in the same way that sight is an intrinsic good. Similarly, when we're innovating as a society, we're exploring what humanity is capable of without necessarily having a clearly defined goal of curing diseases or developing weapons.
    Imitation doesn't have this intrinsic good or something equivalent (correct me if I'm wrong), so perhaps the innovation/imitation dialectic, while valuable, may not capture the whole picture.
    I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this. You're really a great speaker, and the talk just struck a chord in me being as I've been thinking about the implications of my work in AI.

  • @FemmeBleu
    @FemmeBleu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Innovation is an inovation in and of itself."
    - Reggie Watts

  • @imranhussainfca
    @imranhussainfca 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Concept of Innovation which was referred to in the medieval world vs the present day is fundamentally different and hence not comparable.

    • @EcomBerg
      @EcomBerg 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How do they differ?

  • @karanvirsingh9205
    @karanvirsingh9205 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I noticed the attendees don't have laptops/iPads (in line with the topic)

    • @ssehe2007
      @ssehe2007 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You noticed wrong. There’s at least one dude on his laptop.

  • @and1play5
    @and1play5 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nothing will stop acceleration, good talk tho

  • @FLICSB
    @FLICSB 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Would love to see a conversation with Dr. Peterson and Jonathan Bi around the merits of current western/global innovation, given Peterson's self-proclaimed study and fear of tyranny; and the breadth of context that Mr. Bi provides in his lectures.

  • @ssehe2007
    @ssehe2007 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What democracies? The political sphere is presumably democratized, whereas the economy remains colossally and brazenly anti-democratic. One wonders if the polity can parade itself as a bona fide democracy in the absence of a democratized economy. The disruptive changes wrought by innovation are unwanted in part because they are dictated to us from on high. A more thoroughly democratized economy could absorb these changes and channel them more productively. About three percent of Americans are employers; the remaining 97% of us are employees. Innovation has been hijacked by capitalists in order to make their products appear inevitable. "Buy this! It's a symptom of progress." But the mandates of capitalism require that businesses optimize along a gradient, which means that they are constitutionally incapable of achieving the kinds of serendipitous discoveries that lead to groundbreaking innovation.

  • @hibaelhilali3891
    @hibaelhilali3891 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like you to discuss beauty ,women , am sure the philosophical perspective is different and interesting, Thank Sir ❤

  • @yvonnehyatt8353
    @yvonnehyatt8353 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please study- Lawrence Chong and The Tao Te Chong , Vusi Thembekwayo -thanks

  • @WisdomofHal
    @WisdomofHal หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s crazy I thought he was gonna say China!

  • @criticalthinker-ys7vt
    @criticalthinker-ys7vt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    without innovation we wouldnt be where we are today...

    • @Wolf-g7j8r
      @Wolf-g7j8r 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For better and for worse

  • @faiqalishah1713
    @faiqalishah1713 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Brace for impact!!

  • @nesdi6653
    @nesdi6653 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Solid

    • @nesdi6653
      @nesdi6653 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      D O Reconaissance

  • @sidhantsharma9961
    @sidhantsharma9961 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hey man, you gotta change your thumbnails. They all look the same, and each video from the outside seems like something I've already seen.
    I've worked with TH-cam channels for 7 years and trust me, you need to find a way to differentiate your videos.
    I know you want to keep them on brand, but there are better ways.
    Your content should get millions of views.

    • @bi.johnathan
      @bi.johnathan  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for surfacing this. I’d be curious to hear if anyone else has the same issue/feedback + what you all think of my thumbnails.

    • @sharafkhan9333
      @sharafkhan9333 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bi.johnathanI love the classy style of the thumbnail but tbh i don’t even look at your thumbnail it’s too much words. I just see a new vid by you, click, watch the first couple mins (masterful intro), save to finish later, and dip. You’re awesome btw keep it up!

    • @SpaceCityTuan
      @SpaceCityTuan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bi.johnathan I think you could use the scenery of your lecture rooms better they are so beautiful and seem to be the wasted as the background of your thumbnails. I Like that you place the philosopher that you are speaking about, but sometimes I wish you would put an image of yourself; with the sort of intellectual grit you have.
      In a way I have become a fan of Johnathan Bi: this guy who is young, full of energy, and brings an element of cultural relatability to philosophy in these magnificent settings that I can't fully understand why they are so beautiful. I would like to see that in the thumbnails.

    • @benjaminpayne6355
      @benjaminpayne6355 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No need to innovate here imo

  • @MiyamotoMusashi9
    @MiyamotoMusashi9 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ok now you can tell us about Ted Kaczynski and how correct his warning was

    • @Wolf-g7j8r
      @Wolf-g7j8r 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Too innovative

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was there kind of guy an environmentalist anarchist

    • @MiyamotoMusashi9
      @MiyamotoMusashi9 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And most of his points were about modern leftist psychology and the technological system fanning the flames of mental illness

    • @MiyamotoMusashi9
      @MiyamotoMusashi9 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Wolf-g7j8r 😆 I see what you did there...

  • @DanishAli-nz3ks
    @DanishAli-nz3ks 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In his whole lecture he has run 2km

  • @necrosis9222
    @necrosis9222 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He gotta visit the doctor and get some inhaler lol

  • @GloriaASMR
    @GloriaASMR 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👏

  • @jessem8281
    @jessem8281 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where are these lecture rooms? i been searching. Let us find out its AI generated!! 😂❤

  • @PenfieldBrown
    @PenfieldBrown 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😂 45:17

  • @tuckerbugeater
    @tuckerbugeater 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why isn't everybody wearing masks

  • @happykoinonia8119
    @happykoinonia8119 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😊

  • @jonnygraham2372
    @jonnygraham2372 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Innovation is still a crime, just look at the people who keep trying to release cars that run on water.

    • @bryanutility9609
      @bryanutility9609 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yea they work so well according to basic physics.

  • @imranhussainfca
    @imranhussainfca 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    where is your suit? why is that missing?

  • @Ryan.G.Spalding
    @Ryan.G.Spalding 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    pace is too slow. Or too many words to accomplish the same thing.

    • @kd-zq5oq
      @kd-zq5oq 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try not to reveal yourself so obviously, lol …

  • @eternalkainos
    @eternalkainos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Feels like I’m at Hogwarts

  • @anoojpatel7492
    @anoojpatel7492 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    mfer could sell runoff back to a refinery

  • @ranjithpowell6791
    @ranjithpowell6791 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Huckster

  • @ddinggg
    @ddinggg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    another great video. Friendly tip, please try not to smack your lips when talking, it's unpleasant to listeners, thanks!

    • @ddinggg
      @ddinggg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      inhales too. or edit them out of the final video.

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try to be grateful

    • @kd-zq5oq
      @kd-zq5oq 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s amazing what people pay attention in contrast to an actual well thought out and presented message … so telling lol

  • @larss4119
    @larss4119 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    this might be the most cringe thing i've ever witnessed. please never do this again.

    • @WeekendPhilosopherChannel
      @WeekendPhilosopherChannel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What happened that's cringe?

    • @guharup
      @guharup 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never do what again?

    • @RicardoPicena
      @RicardoPicena 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      May the hate you have turn into love, not just any kind of love; self-love beyond your imaginable reality

    • @Nooiise
      @Nooiise 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You’re only upset because you’re either incapable of absorbing what has been said or you’re jealous.