Byzantium First Impression - Civ 6 - New Frontier Pass
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"I'm actually glad that I built the Venetian Arsenal" - Potato McWhiskey, Sept 11 2020.
A unique quote from a unique day
Haha I knew someone would do it
Isn't the Venetian Arsenal only available during the Renaissance Era?
STOP QUOTING ME
I won an mp with the venetian arsenal once. just kept shitting out battle ships and they pummeled all my friends coastal cities, then I took them all but landing tanks. then it was as easy as moving inland.
Dev manager talking to team: "Ok... very funny guys... Who gave Byzantium holy steroids?"
Fine I sold him the pope blood
It’s like the Spider-Man Meme:
Basil II and Philip II are pointing at each other, but one is a high-definition rendition of Spider-Man while the other is a Spider-Man someone drew in MS Paint.
I think i've just discovered a hidden love of people describing memes om text
0:34 legit thought they said “Byzantium’s unique ability is called taxes” for a second, the first time I watched it
Unique ability: taxis. roads gain +1 level and +1 gold every time you use them
@@atocanboi409 - Unlock the Uber ability in late game science, unlock a less powerful Lyft ability in late game culture.
@@FHL-Devils Uber: +3 food in the city center if it is connected to at least 2 roads. +1 movement for all units starting their turn in or adjacent to the city centre, but moving units costs 1 gold.
You missed where the Hippodrome's awarded free heavy cavalry units don't have a resource cost. Need a tank but don't have any oil? Byzantium just shrugs it off and build another entertainment district/building.
*Screams as he is crushed by Modern Armour bearing religious Penants*
Tanks for nothing.
Byzantine miracle tanks run on nothing but the will to server their empire
good luck fighting with tanks that cant repair and have decreased combat strength
@@NeWildeSache just buy one oil from the AI. You only need one oil to be able to repair the tank. They have no maintenance cost remember? Those miracle tank sure is OP
Potato's Analysis:
"They are insane".
That will also be what the Gaul say about them "Those (Eastern) Romans are crazy!"
He is not wrong, this is Simon levels of broken
@@pomamoba
I disagree, Basil requires you to spend your time and resources on building entertainment buildings. These are not only very rarely unlocked, but are just not very useful compared to districts like campuses and harbours. Secondly, his siege power depends on your city following his religion, something that you can actively hinder and block using your own inquisitors, apostles and government policies. Compare this to someone like Suleiman and his bombard buffs, which you can't actively do anything to block or counter against. I wish people would just stop to think and give these new ideas a chance before crying "bR0keN!!1!!3!" to the heavens.
@@cometmoon4485 Entertainment complexes did get better with their adjacency to Theater Squares, so could help Byzantium stay in the culture game. Agree they're not broken or anything, but they're very unique and their playstyle is strong if you can get the engine going early.
Crusade: The Civ
DEUS VULT
Lol, the crusades did not go well for Eastern Europe in particular, so this is ironic. The westerners ended up pillaging their supposed allies.
@@cometmoon4485 maybe this time it will be different since its byzantine's turn to pillage
The Gregorian chant at the beginning in the background isn't Greogorian, it's actually a Byzantine chant dedicated to the Virgin Mary called "Ti Ipermaho" ('Τῇ ὑπερμάχῳ in Greek) which could be translated into "To the defender" in English, still sung by the Orthodox Christians to this day, that's what makes it so cool :)
What's even cooler is the true meaning and origin of the song:
It was sung after successful battles or during wars to ask and thank for the devine protection given by God intermediated by the prayers of the Virgin Mary as she was seen as the one protecting and praying to God for Constantinople. Wherefrom the title "The defender" given to her.
So they nailed the style of the background music but also the context :) Really cool.
v much triggered by him saying gregorian lmao
True story. Greetings from Orthodox Serb☦️🇷🇸🇬🇷
Oh yes it itched me to hear him say Gregorian Chant
If I another Civ gets Orthodoxy before I do I’m restarting the game, it’s the only way
@@noahbeaulieu4241 literally did that
Potatomcwhiskey: wow thats rlly op, thats also op, thats insane! Thats an incredible ability!
The spiffing brit: *takes notes*
Also Spiffing Brit: Does that also count when these buildings are repaired? How do I destroy buildings? How else can I exploit this?
To make the hippodrome even stronger, they had it provide 3 amenities. Thats freaking insane when considering the recent amenities changes
Well, consider that now the entertainment district gives 2 amenities, so it's +1 amenities
@@andresbarragan7212 what are the recent amenities changes ?!
@@mido830 cities no longer get a bonus amenity outside of the capital, as they tied it to the palace
@@LINKedup101 That's actually not super impactful on its own, since they made -1 amenity have no impact for a city, so it's just a change of baseline. It's more than -2 amenities have a much sharper penalty of -10% to all yields than before. However, positive amenities have much lower impact since it now takes 3 extra amenities to get any benefit.
I hope they also patch Brazils two districts in this update because the amenity changes sure made them worse
0:42 that is actually one the of the most beautiful psalms in orthodox christianity called "τη Υπερμάχω Στρατηγώ" translated to "To you, invincible champion" adressed to Holy Mary. It is also called Akathist Hymn meaning a hymn where you're not sitting down because, well, we don't sit down during the chanting. It has great significance to the orthodox church and honestly the history behind it is really cool and you should look it up!
"You can't go back to Constantinople, so how will you lead Byzantium?"
Best
Line
I'm hoping it's a reference to They Might Be Giants. I'd adore that so much.
@@Zaros2400 Bro it's so clearly a reference to them, dont sweat it.
@@Zaros2400 it probably is, but honestly thats nobody's business but the Turks
Eric but wasn’t Constantinople in the Byzantium empire?
Just a straight up better Spain
I really feel for Spain, he's a chill neighbour in most of my games, and he has decent music, but man does he suck. =/
I personally feel many of the other religious civs are better at the religion game, maintaining PEACE while you convert.
Whereas Byzantium feels like a Domination civ that simply has an easier time keeping amenities, loyalty, etc from benefits that keep the empire more unified in religion and happiness, and just incidentally very strong snowballing combat benefits not unlike Montezuma gaining access to more luxuries as he grabs more territory. So I think Spain, Gandhi, etc all still have their place in a different and valid playstyle from Byzantium. :)
Nope. Spain has different gimmick. They specialize in fighting civs who follow different religion. Instant religious conversion upon capturing a city helps with loyalty. Their inquisitor got extra charges, which is useful in defending against other religions. With fight policy cards and beliefs, Conquistadors can rival GDRs in terms of combat strength.
Spain has a totally different kit...
Especially their unique improvement can be the strongest in the game, if you have cities on a different continent.
@@onboardbasil rly?? well i gotta play more georgia, im from georgia and i like her design rn(except the walls, yeah) i like war 100%faith and i like CHAINING golden ages, but i like first time dark(early game hard as georgia and golden doesnt help and classical doesnt do anything) and get heroic, giving u a huge boost in medieval which is the best time for you to advance into good production and science/culture with uni's and stuff, as well as going into the next era its good to get niter and the industrial era stuff as the hard part is in renna/indu as georgia as no real benefits, stick to being clumped up and getting science and culture, have an army and try to spread religion. imo i dont like that there is no real benefit to getting more cities so a tall playstyle is needed as georgia cuz you have no firepower, they are supposed to be good at deffending hill chokes but earlygame wars dont care for that they care for who has more warriors and stuff while midgame u have boats so yeah, the khevsur are sometimes nice as i like to get some of them early as a good melee option.
btw i dont play on deity i tried once and sumeria rome is all i will say
the saxy gamer brought up a good point that I agree completely with, that quads need to be range 2, that range 1 is so useless in the early game it's not even funny. especially if the ai's city only has room for one ship to attack.
Yeah, only Range 1 seems kinda weak given the situations you'll often find yourself in honestly.
The downside is that Barbarian Quads will be able to shoot your units that aren't on the coast though...
I gotta disagree with that. Range one is useful.
Another issue with navy is that you don’t get any upgrades until the Renaissance. So you get your classical era boats but then they’re obsolete the moment someone gets walls. You have to wait until gunpowder and renaissance walls to get your next upgrade to naval units. It’s just such a long and painful gap
@@IainDoherty51 They could just nerf the barb version like they do with the lower combat strength of barb horsemen though.
_The Following is from Hellsing Ultimate Abridged_ :
Anderson: "Ah, I See! So this... is a *CRUSADE!!!* "
Maxwell: "No, No, no-no-no-no! We don't say that anymore; we're calling it... ah, D*, what do the American cow say?"
Anderson: *Peacekeeping?*
“RIGHT! So, shall we... keep the peace?”
The only thing I think you missed was that the unique Knight is unlocked with Divine Right, so you need a Culture push to get the Knight quickly.
Most likely prioritize spending gold on monuments and getting ping early will solve this.
build entertainment districts early to get the +2 bonus on your theater square districts.
This civ can lag behind in science and culture but domination is insane
That actually works out ok. Your science is gonna be very weak so you can get your domination rolling with just one Theater Square and some Monuments.
Yeah but its not really worth building many (if any) Hippodromes for a Heavy Chariot when you still need to go for a Theatre Square. Build the Theatre square first, and get the Hipppdrome later.
“You can take away my city but you can never take away my faith!”
Byzantine: “Think I just did. Both.”
Damn, the op civs are all in the frontier pass.
Almost like they want us to buy them. Either to dominate or have a strong opponent
Who could've expected something like this?
its play to win baby! yeahhhh
@@hyperlol90 i think every game is play to win
ਅਰਜਨ ਸਿੰਘ buddy, this ain’t a creep this is a full on blitzkrieg
Basil II "You get a holy war, and you get a holy war and you get a holy war!!!"
So basically, all of this civ's military units function as apostles?
Also, now that Constantinople is in the game, I now have even more reason to listen to Istanbul (the song)
Since naturalists are so strong right now and this civ will spam holy sites and entertainment districts, you could theoretically convert into a lategame culture victory with national parks, using your districts to boost tile appeal
@@Keladinus That statement just made me cry a little inside. Canada used to be one of the top two bestest civs at national park culture victories (canada and teddy), now Canada just sucks and the mounties feel underwhelming now, where I previously loved them.
Did you catch the reference at the end of the video?
@@teclishighloremasteroftota2550 I just finished a Spain game last week, so I'm hoping this attention to the crusade playstyle means that ol' phil's getting a buff.
Will they be spamming holy sites? They don't get a bonuses from faith itself, and depending on how powerful the military spreads are they might not need as many religious units.
this civ seems like a nightmare to play against. an absolute nightmare.
In multiplayer yes, but I doubt the AI will be able to figure out how to make best use of it.
Depends if he is sandwiched between Rome and the Mongols its GG. Genghis is not going to take to kindly to someone competing for horses and Rome declare war for fun on the higher difficulties.
Just keep a stockpile of inquisitors and gurus around to prevent him converting your cities and you should be fine. He's relatively easy to block and hinder, compared to someone like Suleiman and all his bombard buffs, that you can't actively do anything to block or counter against.
Video lists OP ability:
Me: What!?!
Potato: What?!?
😆
I can't wait to see you play this Civ, Potato! ❣️
There's a new Daddy in the game.
Tagmas are literally Cataphracts but generals
At this point ..... they’re not going to add me.
Don't worry about it, man, the modding community's got your back.
They're probably not going to add extremely divisive historic figures like Stalin, my bruv. It'd be like adding Mao or Hitler.
@@AndrewChumKaser it's not even that it's just functionally too Recent for Sid Meiers. Sure division has something to do with it too, but remember that you couldn't get Mount Rushmore if you didnt have Fascism in another Civ game so it's not like they're shy.
Leader Ability: Gulag
Don't worry, civ1 got your back
Porphyrogennetos means "born in purple", it comes from expensive purple dye and purple stone porphyry, both are symbols of Byzantine line of emperors. It can be used also to describe kids who were born after their parents came to the title of king\queen, thus making them born royalty, thus "born in purple"
Looks like a great civ, can’t wait for more videos. Keep up the great work
I love the "cant go back to Constantinople" reference
Basically b line straight to your unique horses, when you get them build encampments and entertainments districts , and then obliterate everything.
The only issue I see is having trouble keeping up in terms of your districts. You need holy sites, encampments, hippodromes, and then the opportunity cost of missing campuses and theatre squares is gonna hurt, especially since your religion begs for crusade
@@1morechip Shall we go a pillaging my friend? I hear those Civs over there have many science and culture districts we can burn as an offering to the gods of Science and Culture!
And remember that Holy District... Lol.
@@alex2005z Uh.. it's no worse than it would for a non Byzantium Civ. Sure it might be better to wait till you hit the bonuses, but it's by no means a problem to go earlier if you get the momentum early.
@@alex2005z I would target city states early to get an early advantage and deny the A.I. any city state bonuses. For fighting the a.i. I would start producing units enmass once a campus and holy site are built (as a minimum).
1) Campus to get you to your bonuses quicker (unique unit that acts as a apostle / great general). Last thing you want is reaching your unique unit by the time the A.I. as out tech'd you significantly, making the bonus pointless.
2) Holy site to secure a religion and getting the combat bonus.
You can focus on encampments and entertainment districts after you have secured these to boost your army to a size that could not be supported by your A.I. counter parts (due to the extra free units) and then just steam roll.
They pretty much made the "we will take Jerusalem" meme into a Civ
Nice that the last shot you ended on was Basil force choking the viewers.
First time potato reacts this much for a civ impression video. Can totally relate to that
Hey I love your videos, I really enjoy watching you play and I feel like I'm learning to play myself just by watching you, keep on going:3
Just imagine pumping out tanks in the modern era with this civ and not even needing maintenance!
I was wondering if there are two civs Ottoman and Byzantium in one game, there are actually a Constantinople city and an Istanbul city, that's like two parallel universes fallen into one.
Theres also 3 varietes on France, and now the new Gauls. Its abiy messy
Michiel de Ruyter 4 if you include both iterations of Catherine.
@@crypticmrchimes yeah. nobody plays that shit anyway
Nothing new with that one, for example if you have Macedon and Egypt in the same game, there are Alexandria and Ra-Kedet, the same city under the rule of different empires.
Michiel de Ruyter The French count as duplicates though, and I think a lot of «modern» french cities didn’t exist back then
I love these first impressions - you can explain all the features and abilities so well.
I'm here for the eventual Byzantium Vampire playthrough....
Man I'm so happy they added byzantium to the game. That's literally the only civ I really wanted in the game. It felt werid that gran Colombia, a nation that only existed for 2 decades, was in the game but the successor to the roman empire wasn't. The only other one I can think of is Austria (maybe with charlesV being an alternate Spanish leader as well) they also look like Mongolia 2.0 rushing the entire map with cavalry units within 100 turns
"There's not much analysis to be made other than 'they're going to be insane'".
Another detail mentioned about the Tagma in their write-up (But not the video) is that the Tagma is unlocked with Divine Right instead of Stirrups (Which to my knowledge makes it the only Military Unit unlocked via Civics instead of Technology)
Winged Hussars
and Jongs
This seems OP, will be interesting to watch your play through with them.
I always struggle on deity when going for a religiony/domination victory with crusade and warrior monks etc and this civ will definitely make that much easier!
I can't tell you how entertaining it was to listen to you exclaim every time their abilities got better.
Any new Civilization: _is released_
Potato McWhiskey: *THAT'S RIDICULOUSLY POWERFUL*
This civ is my new favorite but way too strong
Slow your roles there my guy
PotatoMcWiskey, the WHAT reaction video.
Glorious!
Can Gaul top that?
Will they add a nod to a certain French cartoon?
We can only hope!
Hi potato
Yay my second heart from potato!
Hilariously OP. Going to have to give these dudes a run.
They need to make The Ottomans be this civs kryptonite.
Manzikert!
"The Byzantines look unstoppable"
*Ceddin Deden starts playing in the distance*
I expect we're going to end up calling him Byzanty Claus...
I endorse this
It is a good year for old Basil. He's featured prominently in the CK3 867 start date and now he's a new leader in Civ 6.
Basil II is best known as "Basil the Bulgar-Slayer." After the Battle of Kleidion in 1014, he gathered up his 15,000 Bulgar POWs, split them into groups of 100, and blinded 99 of them by gouging out their eyes. The 100th Bulgar in each group had one eye blinded and the other kept so that he could lead his men back home. The Bulgarian Emperor Samuel is said to have been so horrified by the sight that he had a heart attack and died shortly afterwards.
The Greeks consider him a national hero right up there with Alexander the Great. Three guesses as to how Bulgarians view him.
"WHAAAAT?? That's Ridiculous!"
I feel like this should've been the title to the video! 😂
While the civs get increasingly well designed and unique to play over time, I also feel like there is a form of power creep to sell extra DLCs there...
You are not wrong on this. :/ Wish some of the older civs actually recives something worthwhile...Norway/Georgia/India and co
so... good luck to those who want to try to get a religion on deity when they spawn on a map with Byzantium and Arabia!
“What!!” -Potatomcwhiskey September 17th 2020
A lot of people are saying the Hippodrome is overpowered since it gives Calvary, but I disagree. Firstly, entrainment buildings are very rarely available, you get Arena, and then it's left abandoned for centuries until Zoos and Stadiums get unlocked ages later. Secondly, entertainment complexes are easily among the least useful and least sought after districts, so this is a welcome buff. If you're constructing hippodrome buildings, you're using time that could instead be spent working on far more useful districts like campuses and harbours, so it's a trade off. That's what I think anyway.
Did you see at the top where it mentions the new Knight unit is unlocked by the Divine Right civic and not the usual one on the tech tree? This is kind of like the Brazillian unique battleship.
Byzantines were a really pleasant surprise. I was resigned to having Georgia be the game's defacto diet-Byzantium in terms of style, their emphasis on walls, and the music, but now that the true Greek led successor to the Roman Empire has entered the game, I'm so excited. This is just begging for a Byzantium/Ottoman scenario where you either try to recreate the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople, or rewrite history by repelling the invaders. I'm also super curious to hear how they're going to do Gregorian chant (Phos Hilaron again perhaps?) for the Atomic era, the music Firaxis does for this series continues to amaze me. One of the few games I joyfully play at full volume.
The hippopotamus drone!?!?!
the powercreep, ooof
I thought columbia with the movement bonuses was already insane xD
The dromon is "skewed towards early game" but that 2 range is going to make the +1 range promotion so much easier to get early on, so it's not exactly negligible on later units if you manage to actually use your dromons.
The frontier pass Civs are just getting more and more fun looking!
Well Spain, was good to meet you!
I bought the Gaul/Byzantium Pack from the PS Store but I'm having so much fun playing Gaul, I haven't even tried out Basil II yet.
A fun challenge would be a “religious victory without missionarys or apostles”
They picked on of the most interesting Byzantine Emperors, as well as my personal favorite. Basil II is perhaps most known for defeating the Bulgarian army and capturing 15,000 of them. He blinded 99 out of every 100, and half-blinded the rest so they could lead their blind fellows home. Upon seeing his army return in such a sorry state, the Bulgarian emperor Samuel had a stroke and died 2 days later, and his empire was incorporated into the Byzantine Empire. It will be interesting to see what kind of shenanigans Basil II will get up to.
1:32 I love how the city state that was converted there was Vatican City.
Honestly, they are nailing it with these new civs. Each one has been a joy to play with.
This seems like a powerful civilization. but there are things you can do to slow them down if you know they are in your game.
1. Start your own religion and get Crusade before they do. Easier said than done, but this would really hurt them. Really, this might just be a necessary defensive move in all games unless you know for sure that Byzantium is not in your game.
2. Focus your conversions on taking holy cities already converted to Byzantium's religion.
3. If they did get Crusade, start an inquisition and park an inquisitor in every border city so that you can zap them back to the true faith as soon as they are converted. This is a good tactic against any enemy with crusade, not just Byzantium.
4. Like when playing against Scythia, invest heavily in anti-cavalry units. This is trickier with random tech trees. You will need to have 2 crossbowmen to get the eureka to reveal the tech and know how to beeline for Pike and Shot. But this is something you will likely always have, anyway. Eureka for Knights requires Feudalism in the civics tree. Depending on how the random trees are laid out, this could take much longer or much shorter.
Implementing these would at least slow them down, a lot. I'm not sure the AI is smart enough to do all of this against a player Byzantium though. In particular, Crusade should always be the first choice of the AI when founding a religion for the reasons detailed above.
Ranklist for every civ theme (every era)
"What?!" - PotatoMcWhiskey, Sept 17, 2020
Saxy on thursday: Wow!? What???
Potato on friday: Wow!? What???
I wish more civs had this synergetic type of gameplay like this.
I love this civ because going on crusades is awesome
Hey potato. Can you plz make a video 'how to make war' and explain how war mechanics and tactics work? Flanking,healing ,taking citys,loyalty. Ty :)
As a Latin Catholic working for a Greek Orthodox organization, let me tell you I laughed with glee when the first type of chant you thought of was our marvelous Gregorian chant and not their weak Byzantine Chant.
But actually their chanting style is unique and very good. So happy they put it in the soundtrack for this game :)
Byzantine Chant is actually a choral tradition original to the Eastern Orthodox Churches which have their roots in the church tradition of the Byzantine Empire. Its tonal system actually dates back to the Ancient Greek one. Also it is basically in its core the predecessor of the Gregorian chant that came much later although the harmonics have slightly evolved over time. The differences to the Gregorian should be notable. There are many examples for this over the internet most notably the ones of the monks of the Mount Athos monasteries.
sneaky, "born in the purple"
I can think of a half a dozen civs out of my head that can deal with this no problem, don't know what the fuss is about. Great new civ :)
Unless the cap on districts allowed to build is removed, one thing is that if you want to keep cranking up religious output (coz that's how you buy apostles), building the holy site and religious wonders becomes more necessary so one can easily neglect other equally important districts like science, commercial and culture.
Basil vs Bolivar should be fun!
It happens exactly as expected and feared: New dlc civs being super op.
Well that's only good
OP civ out of the door!
Balance flew out of the window, dayum
I can tell this guy is gonna snowball like no other
Fabulous content and why couldn't I find it 33 minutes ago ;-;
Also love your videos
Hello from Brazil, I love your videos
Me and the ottoman bois already conquering Constantinople
"What? That's ridiculous! That's insane"
So, does the unique Knight's great general bonus stack (so three of them adjacent make a unit +9?). That would be absurdly OP, but I think it's possible
One this I do wish is that buildings and units cost a little less production, I just dont have enough time to train lots of units before they become obsolete while still managing the city upgrades
The entertainment complex thing...do you get a free guy for EVER building within that complex or only one when you have the district and it’s buildings
I was hoping for a religious/turtling kind of civilization with huge focus on defense (maybe with the theodosian walls replacing walls), as the byzantines were a really tough nut to crack.
at 4:06 you can see they added the statue of Zeus (beneath encampment district)
Mongols could flip the knights back on them with their ability. Only Civ that I could see doing anything in the Medieval Era vs. these guys
Did anyone else catch the Istanbul (Not Constantinople) reference at the end?
There's a slight differential between your volume and the video's volume, although it isn't as big as Saxy's
Just remember boys: if you've a date in Constantinople she'll be waiting in Istanbul.
_Even old New York was once New Amsterdam_