My theory is that Rymus IS Zeno. No or Low Universe count = Zeno automatically transforms into Rymus and starts creating Too many universes = Rymus automatically transforms into Zeno and starts destroying. Transforming makes them lose their memories, but Grand Priest is the only one that still knows this truth of Zeno and Rymus
That does sound interesring, and it would make this theory even better if the tranformation was just the goofiest thing. So it was just Zeno soing something insane then just poof everyone forgets and the Grand Priest is just trying not to laugh.
@ not everyone forgets. Only Zeno/Rymus forget. Think about it rymus just created the universes. The God of destructions wouldn’t have been chosen yet. Then he retreats to that world we see zwno in and with grand priest there he transforms to zeno because there are too many universes and so zeno destroys some. This explains why supreme kai didn’t know who zeno was, but the Beerus did because whis knew of him before he was assigned to beerus
@WillofDivine That can also explain why Zeno is only 8.5 million years old when the universe is a lot older. Cause he forgot and reverted back to the mind of a child. Because as the aaying goes "Before crwation comes destruction, but you need creation for destruction." So a being that personifies that cycle being the God of everything makes sense. But I feel like that wasn't Toriyama's intent, but still love that theory.
Decent video up until the point where u said zeno has guards because hes easily killable. Thats idiotic, they're more along the lines of servants if anything. It was already stated that zeno cannot be defeated nor destroyed no matter what...this means under any circumstances , not having fighting skills does not translate to being killable
That’s a good theory. I was theorizing that Super Rymus was like the demon realms Super Shenron. I think when they eventually make a wish with the demon realm dragon balls Super Rymus will appear.
The thing about if the Kai die the destroyer die thing is only there cause they were preventing the destroyer from killing the Kai, that’s why beerus seal the old Kai, I think that same rule would apply to Zeno and the other guy
Zeno has his own world outside of space , but it is not outisde of time, hence why there is another version of him in an alternate timeline.... just likt trunks killed the Debora of his timeline , this implies theres is a demon realm of that timeline , and probably another ramus as well . We haven't met any characters that exist outside of both time and space yet
Geras is outside of time but there are multiple versions of him 😂, my point is it’s a fictional show I don’t think the creators honestly put that much thought into it. Just my opinion
@@CYeoung right exactly my point, Geras is the only and Original creation of Kronika how they explained in MK11 he can only be made by her, Geras is eternal so when Liu took over he had to obey liu. He was also remolded into Liu kangs image(not literally) that’s why everyone is on MK’s neck about the storyline bc how is there more than one Geras? it’s making no sense. Zeno is clearly outside of time they explained this in the show plus you can simply look it up, so the fact there’s two Zeno’s is not possible but hey….. it’s a cartoon anime with monkey aliens and old perverted karate men fighting in godlike tournaments lol even Toriyama didn’t take it that seriously. R.I.P.🙏
I don't think that at all. I believe Zeno is still the King of Everything and once Rymus created the universes Zeno would automatically become the king of those universes too. Rymus is the highest authority in the universes but Zeno is still the highest authority over everything.
Great vid but there a few issues with it. Zeno is physically weak and can be killed just sounded like an attempt to justify your point more than anything. Supreme Kai said Ryumus is the highest authority in the universe because at this point he doesn’t know who Zeno is and he won’t know until the universe 6 tournament. He knows that there are various universes that were created, meaning he does have a decent knowledge the Cosmos but he has never heard of Zeno at all, not even in legends or myths. That means Zeno exists beyond myths and legends which is a big deal because this is someone who oversees entire universe but still never had of him. Rymus being the highest authority doesn’t hold. Secondly, Zeno has threatened to erase his so called guards for Goku, I don’t know what you think they can protect him. They have never been called guards by the way they’re called attendants, meaning they answer to Zeno’s whim. The first time we saw them doing something, was acting as means of transportation for Zeno when he went to universe 6 tournament which substantiates them being mere attendants, on top of that Supreme Kai blatantly stated no one could ever kill Zeno during the FT saga which is another auto debunk for Zeno being physically weak. High Priest wouldn’t stop Zeno from destroying all of reality if he felt like it as he doesn’t take decisions for Zeno, he only advises him, his role is to a guide like Whis not to rule or order Zeno. Whis knocking Beerus out was sort of a weird case though 😂, and he did it twice in movie and manga. I guess that is how they stop G.o.Ds when they go out of control but still they don’t take decisions for G.o.Ds, they advise them, G.o.Ds going out of control maybe is not regarded as a logical decision, so that’s they knock them out. Grand Priest in the manga is outright stated to be the mightiest being in the universe, meaning he’s stronger than both Zeno and Rymus. They same trio of a Supreme Kai and G.o.D and an angel attendant is applies to the 3 of them as well. GP > Zeno =/> Rymus. Assuming that Supreme Kai’s are weak and can’t throw hands or can’t destroy is also weird because because they fought Buu and Moro, Zamasu chosen to be an apprentice because of his skills in martial arts. They can definitely nook the universe if they wanted but it is not their job as Gowasu stated. It’s like saiyan Whis can’t destroy the universe because it is not his job.
My theory is that Rymus IS Zeno.
No or Low Universe count = Zeno automatically transforms into Rymus and starts creating
Too many universes = Rymus automatically transforms into Zeno and starts destroying.
Transforming makes them lose their memories, but Grand Priest is the only one that still knows this truth of Zeno and Rymus
That does sound interesring, and it would make this theory even better if the tranformation was just the goofiest thing. So it was just Zeno soing something insane then just poof everyone forgets and the Grand Priest is just trying not to laugh.
@ not everyone forgets. Only Zeno/Rymus forget. Think about it rymus just created the universes. The God of destructions wouldn’t have been chosen yet. Then he retreats to that world we see zwno in and with grand priest there he transforms to zeno because there are too many universes and so zeno destroys some. This explains why supreme kai didn’t know who zeno was, but the Beerus did because whis knew of him before he was assigned to beerus
@WillofDivine That can also explain why Zeno is only 8.5 million years old when the universe is a lot older. Cause he forgot and reverted back to the mind of a child.
Because as the aaying goes "Before crwation comes destruction, but you need creation for destruction." So a being that personifies that cycle being the God of everything makes sense.
But I feel like that wasn't Toriyama's intent, but still love that theory.
Decent video up until the point where u said zeno has guards because hes easily killable. Thats idiotic, they're more along the lines of servants if anything. It was already stated that zeno cannot be defeated nor destroyed no matter what...this means under any circumstances , not having fighting skills does not translate to being killable
That’s a good theory. I was theorizing that Super Rymus was like the demon realms Super Shenron. I think when they eventually make a wish with the demon realm dragon balls Super Rymus will appear.
The thing about if the Kai die the destroyer die thing is only there cause they were preventing the destroyer from killing the Kai, that’s why beerus seal the old Kai, I think that same rule would apply to Zeno and the other guy
Rymus created outside multiverses, but Kaioshins implanted life there. Rymus made empty space, maybe stars, matter to mould for Kaioshins.
Zeno has his own world outside of space , but it is not outisde of time, hence why there is another version of him in an alternate timeline.... just likt trunks killed the Debora of his timeline , this implies theres is a demon realm of that timeline , and probably another ramus as well . We haven't met any characters that exist outside of both time and space yet
Toriyama-bot is the real God, but within realms of DB there is no supreme god. They are equal to each other. It's not monotheism.
Whis tells there's no above zeno in all existence over reality
Zeno lives outside of the multiverse
Okay so are you saying gp is stronger than Zeno cause the angels are stronger than their destroyers
Well, this video did make sense until future Zeno erased creation in DBS with the future timline, which would have erased Rymus. So, no.
I say it’s Zarama 😏 (But Toribot is better)
zeno is not outside of time. if he was there would not be a future zeno, there would only be one.
Geras is outside of time but there are multiple versions of him 😂, my point is it’s a fictional show I don’t think the creators honestly put that much thought into it. Just my opinion
@ kronika is outside of time and there’s 1 of her
@@CYeoung right exactly my point, Geras is the only and Original creation of Kronika how they explained in MK11 he can only be made by her, Geras is eternal so when Liu took over he had to obey liu. He was also remolded into Liu kangs image(not literally) that’s why everyone is on MK’s neck about the storyline bc how is there more than one Geras? it’s making no sense. Zeno is clearly outside of time they explained this in the show plus you can simply look it up, so the fact there’s two Zeno’s is not possible but hey….. it’s a cartoon anime with monkey aliens and old perverted karate men fighting in godlike tournaments lol even Toriyama didn’t take it that seriously. R.I.P.🙏
@@JayGaming-p2uzeno power is beyond time not his physical body.
I don’t think it’s work in fictional world
I don't think that at all. I believe Zeno is still the King of Everything and once Rymus created the universes Zeno would automatically become the king of those universes too. Rymus is the highest authority in the universes but Zeno is still the highest authority over everything.
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Great vid but there a few issues with it. Zeno is physically weak and can be killed just sounded like an attempt to justify your point more than anything. Supreme Kai said Ryumus is the highest authority in the universe because at this point he doesn’t know who Zeno is and he won’t know until the universe 6 tournament. He knows that there are various universes that were created, meaning he does have a decent knowledge the Cosmos but he has never heard of Zeno at all, not even in legends or myths. That means Zeno exists beyond myths and legends which is a big deal because this is someone who oversees entire universe but still never had of him. Rymus being the highest authority doesn’t hold. Secondly, Zeno has threatened to erase his so called guards for Goku, I don’t know what you think they can protect him. They have never been called guards by the way they’re called attendants, meaning they answer to Zeno’s whim. The first time we saw them doing something, was acting as means of transportation for Zeno when he went to universe 6 tournament which substantiates them being mere attendants, on top of that Supreme Kai blatantly stated no one could ever kill Zeno during the FT saga which is another auto debunk for Zeno being physically weak. High Priest wouldn’t stop Zeno from destroying all of reality if he felt like it as he doesn’t take decisions for Zeno, he only advises him, his role is to a guide like Whis not to rule or order Zeno. Whis knocking Beerus out was sort of a weird case though 😂, and he did it twice in movie and manga. I guess that is how they stop G.o.Ds when they go out of control but still they don’t take decisions for G.o.Ds, they advise them, G.o.Ds going out of control maybe is not regarded as a logical decision, so that’s they knock them out. Grand Priest in the manga is outright stated to be the mightiest being in the universe, meaning he’s stronger than both Zeno and Rymus. They same trio of a Supreme Kai and G.o.D and an angel attendant is applies to the 3 of them as well. GP > Zeno =/> Rymus. Assuming that Supreme Kai’s are weak and can’t throw hands or can’t destroy is also weird because because they fought Buu and Moro, Zamasu chosen to be an apprentice because of his skills in martial arts. They can definitely nook the universe if they wanted but it is not their job as Gowasu stated. It’s like saiyan Whis can’t destroy the universe because it is not his job.
Zeno exists in his own dimension above the multiverse