@@randomuser5443 This doesn't change the power scale at all though. Will have the exact same loadout for air battles. It's heavier, while having a more powerful engine meaning Agility wise it will be roughly the same.
@@jonathonspears7736 okay, know understanding that, reread what i wrote. If you need help, im directly stating new missiles completely change the balance and at least we arent seeing that
I have been edging for the F/A-18 for so long that by the time it comes out I will be able to jet blast a hole through my extremely thick brick wall. Also neat plane.
@@georgivanev7466 The innermost pylons are usually used for the external fuel tanks, granted they can use munitions as well; never seen it done though.
3:35 You're correct, the F-16C Block 50 doesn't have a CW illuminator, so it can't use the AIM-7 Sparrows, it could only use the AIM-120 AMRAAMs for radar-guided missiles. Also, most F-16's used in the Gulf War (which includes the current models already in-game) only carried AIM-9 Sidewinders, only the ADF version came equipped with AIM-7 Sparrows. This is because the F-16 was designed for short-range without BVR capability (the F-16 wasn't the only Coalition plane there :V).
No, F-16C's are able to 100% fire and use AIM-7s, but never did due to 120s being the better option once it entered service. Although i would agree that the C shouldn't have sparrows, i think it should just get sidewinders until proper fox 3 missiles get added. (or just not get added at all until then)
@@theflyinggasmask I never said all F-16C's, I mentioned Block 50 specifically. I think Fox 3's like the AIM-120 and R-77 would be added by the end of the year, some people have found loadout files for the Yak-141 that carries four R-77's.
AIM-7M doesn't need or use a CW illuminator. US C Block 50 didn't come with Sparrow or ever use it operationally, but a number of other C's were compatible and I'd bet the software worked, though the plane might not have been wired for Sparrow.
Gaijin; "j8 cant get the better radar missiles because its radar was incapable of guiding" gaijin: "HAR HAR AIM 7 FOR F16 WHOS OWN MANUAL SAYS IT CANNOT GUIDE IT"
I mean to be fair it has been seen on Egyptian F-16s, and it appears you can do it. You do have to modify the radar somewhat however. Lockheed Martin has fitted and fired Sparrows from F-16A, B and C variants.
@@creepincreepy261 from what i can see its not cleared to by USAF, but that doesn't mean it couldnt. the missiles have been test fitted, and granted the radar + A/A Computer would need work to fire them irl but its not completely ludicrous
I would have preferred the F15A. Especially because every time they add a vehicle that should have Fox-3s and don't give them to it they basically remove some of its capabilities.
That is because they are prepping. Why do you think they gave sweden a j37 with nothing but fake armaments? They are putting all the puzzle pieces in place before they give them their weapons. They already said that AMRAAMs are coming to everyone at once so no one has a step up.
I don't see an issue with F-16C not getting AIM120's yet but I hope once AMRAAM's get introduced into the game that the existing AIM7 modification will be replaced by AIM120's
@thorluis226 it had a pd illuminator to guide sparrows though. it could fire them, and is documented as having fired them with a pulse doppler illuminator.
@@friendlysnoworb6091Most of what I've seen says that the USAF Block 50's couldn't, but other air forces chose to keep them, I don't know on exactly what version they removed the cw illuminator, if it was specifically the 50 then they could have added the Block 40.
They are going to be adding planes to every single nation which can carry aim120 or other missiles like it then add aim120 at the same time which will probably be December update
hey Aerospace student here wanted to mention that fuel weight sensitivity is to do with the "CG travel" of the aircraft when it is weighted. Some aircraft are very well designed, where the position of the Centre of of Gravity (CG) can be a bit more flexible, but fighters in general are designed to have very little CG travel, to be more manoeuvrable what this means is that most fighters are designed to be well balanced on empty weight, and then sacrifice balance with more fuel and weapons
physics & chemistry here: I'm sure what you said makes sense and everything but fuel has weight, and regardless of CG it just takes more effort (and bigger wings/lift I presume) to make a plane turn 90 degrees if it weighs more just because of its accumulated inertia that resists that movement. Shape of the wing notwithstanding, mass just makes it difficult, every plane period will have a harder time turning with more fuel because it's greater magnitude of momentum will require more effort to move because of inertia afaik
@@sil3ntsp3ct3r...yes, actually. A while ago, the Fw 190 D was pretty well known for performing better on max fuel due to the CG shifting unfavorably on low fuel. War Thunder models some things in great detail (prop wash, missile seekers, etc), and then models other things horribly ("redundant" controls on the P-61 have both knocked out at once, Su-25/F-5C damage models, etc).
@@sil3ntsp3ct3r Actually probably yes, the game already keeps track of fuel weight and what fuel tanks are in use for the amount you have (empty fuel tanks for instance don't catch fire, or full fuel tanks in the wings increase wing rip chance or rather lower the G tolerance). It's simplified of course, but the mechanics that allow it are there. The game engine is a physics engine by default, so this is what the engine probably would do by itself given the mechanics are in place, which they are. Probably similar how air densities varying with map automatically changes ballistics etc. Hard to believe Gaijin would hard code ballistic trajectories right and not let the physics engine just do its thing. Regardless this F-16 FM thing has probably more to do with how the instructor is modelled on the aircraft rather than anything else. With full controls you can still do much more than without, so the instructor is the limiting factor here.
@@Wotplaya4keeping track of fuel weight and which tank has fuel =/= cg shift. The Tomcat fuselage only has 3 giant tanks leading to magical giant leaps in performance every time each one empties.
If not for the missiles I could not even play jets. I am very old for a gamer and jets move way too fast for me to keep up. Your content that you did a few years back on how to effectively ground attack in Air RB kept me playing long enough to learn the ropes in prop combat. After watching I believe you are so good because of the way you think. Thank You.
The 8 hardpoints arent all for A/A missles, the 2 closest to the fuselage are for fuel tanks and GBUs/HARMs only, you can only carry up to 6 missles on this jet. Also to be noted the block 50 is too modern for Fox 1 missles, therefore it shouldnt even get them.
I love how they add new planes without 90% of their features instead of adding slightly older yet almost complete jets. Like why f16c without amraam when you can add an early f15 that couldn't use amrram? Seems more logical to me but they don't want to spend money on new models so they just ctr c ctr v
@@davidejlertsen5577Air RB can be fun, but I think its got a lot of problems. Mostly that there are way, way too many players on way too small maps. And the maps are big now, however… The “map” is exactly the same, very few objectives, all located in the centre. So you just get the usual furball in the centre, only difference is it takes stupidly longer to fly there from the airbase. A good change would be add more bases and ground forces and spread them all over the map and maybe reduce the player count slightly.
The CW illmunitator which is required to fire sparrows only exists in the ADF variant and the MLU export kit which includes the same radar as block 50 but adds the CW illuminator to the radar. So why the hell does the F-16C get SARHs and the J8F doesn't get the PL-11s?
@@saltysteel3996 I'm going to disagree with you on this because they really should make all of the ground work (RWR overhaul, etc.) before adding those things or we gonna get those missiles like the R-73 on the MiG-29 on the dev server...
@@Fatallydisorganizedthe only "F-16" to use double racked rails, and I put that in quotes because it's not an F-16, is the Mitsubishi F-2. Not even the Block 70/72 F-16's use dual rails.
they should change the f16 in the italian TT.. they were block 10 only for the hardpoints, the rest was upgraded to block 50 (only when it comes for air to air)
@@firestarteronyoutube5542Phantoms are like the universal punching bag or free RP of 11.0-12.0. The poor things, they were once the top of their game, but no longer.
@@thisisveerus6667 Personally I wouldn't write them off entirely but it relies on distracted + stupid enemies. in a 1v1 situation you should lose every time
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 Oh for sure, they are still honestly the bulk of top tier jets in most matches. It's just kind of sad how they are now compared to when they were fresh off the dev server.
So F-16 weighs 600kg more, but has 6,000lbf (2,722kgf) more thrust? Sounds like a great deal. Also, since it's G-limited anyways, there will be no difference in high speed pull.
3:17 this is not true, the 16C has 6 air to air hardpoints just like the other Vipers, the F-2 is that one that can carry 8. Also unlike most aircraft, the F-16's wingtip pylons arent limited to IR missiles only as it can carry AIM-120s there and almost always do even if they're carrying AIM-9s. Also this is a Block 50 which means its probably going to get a HMD
@@diprosla592 with AMRAAMs yes, with sparrows you're still going to be limited by the same 2 pylons the ADF and MLU use since the other under wing pylons were never wired to carry sparrows
3:40 F-16C never carried AIM-7 for combat. Yet they were successfully and often tested without CW horn like on ADV. APG-68 on F-16C is capable of guiding Sparrows by using PD waveform. So, including Gaijobles logic, that's why they are in the game.
@@SauronBaggins69I would rather have 4aim9L and 2 aim7 than 2 r27er and 4 r60m People blow the r27's impact out of the water, yes it's by FAR the best radar missile but radar missiles are trivially easy to defeat. If you already fired off both r27's then you're left with the r60m which is just SO much worse than the 9L. I'd take 4 of some of the best IR missiles in the game and 2 of the second best radar missiles over 2 of the best radar missiles and 4 of some sorry excuse for a top tier ir missile
DEFYN, even when it has 8 pylons it doesn't mean that it can carry 8 missiles. F-16C Block 50 has 6 missile pylons and those inner pylons are for bombs or HARMs I guess. 3:18
Gaijin just continues adding more advanced technology while avoiding the elephant in the room of BVR. You eventually get to a point in technology where BVR is the only option, top tier would need a complete rework to even work and not ruin the game.
The F16C - 50 only uses AIM-9M and/or AIM-120 missiles. It can't use Sparrows at all. How could Gaijin screw up so bad?! It also only carries 6 missiles. The other 2 hardpoints are not for A-A missiles.
Gaijin isn’t implementing AIM-120s because no other nation will have them. The game would be completely unbalanced period and the minor nations would suffer even more. That’s why they don’t. They don’t plan on bringing Fox-3s til next year or the end of this year anyway.
The thing is early and prototype f16 block 50 didn't carry aim120, they appear in late 1990 while the aim120 in service late 1991. The first block 50 was deliver to usaf in November 1991 and in january 1992, IOC (Initial Operational Capability) was achieved for the aim120 on f16
This does not make sense to me. The f16c can't even use sparrows. They could've just added the f15A but no they're probably gonna add it with the su 27 which will completely stomp it because of a ten year difference of capabilities between them.
It straight up says in the dev blog that it will carry Sparrows. I also don't think a non-american plane would have "DULUTH" and it's Bulldog on the vertical stabilizer and rudder. "Moving onto what weaponry this further developed F-16C has to offer. Thanks to 8 weapon hardpoints and a new radar, the F-16C will ensure that you’ll have the best weapons at your disposal. For air-to-air missiles, the F-16C can carry the AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile as well as AIM-9L Sidewinders."
It seems Gaijin are in the process of laying the groundwork for advanced fox3s, adding the F-16C, adding the MiG-29SMT, the fact that the Gripen is confirmed for this year, J-8F, Tornado F.3, Mirage 2000-5F, all of these aircraft could retroactively be given AMRAAMs, R-77s, PL-12s, or MICA-RFs when the big Fox3 patch finally comes out and better yet we'll already have the aircraft so we don't need to grind out 500,000 rp to get our Fox3s because the aircraft are already unlocked.
Dam straight haha. I kinda hope that when they add aim120s you can set them to go pit bull of the rail. Kinda like an ir it uses its own seeker to find a target up to like 10nm or smth. Basically a long range ir missile.
@@Wally_Wombat689 Thats not how that works, they have a sort of "fixed" range. Not necessarily fixed but the missles decides on its own to go active, usually (at least in DCS) thats around 8nm when fighting at SL-10k ft
Block 50 never carried AIM-7s, Block 20 and 52 exported to some countries did. 50 and 52 have marginal changes (from the game's perspective) so this "F-16C Block 50" in the game might be "50/52" as this is how it is often grouped anyway. But 52 did have a slightly different engine. I'd like to see some export F-16C/D Block 52s from let's say Poland.
@@FatallydisorganizedShould has f'all to do with Gaijin logic. You get 8km with the D reliably. They self-detonate beyond that. Gaijin doesn't give two shits about what should be.
If it does thank god. The pantsirs are just too goddamn strong right now. Shit sees you from half an ARB map away and blasts you to hell with a high G capable missile. With a thermal mav and target pod, they might just level out top tier ground.
as fast as usual, Defyn! I'm still looking out for the Gripen hopefully coming this patch, sweden really could do with something beyond a modernized 60s jet, as cool as the viggen actually is. If you're willing to answer, at what point do you think AMRAAM would fit into this game?
What sucks is it says that it has 8 hard points; but it can only carry 6 missiles. In the pictures with just air to air stuff it only shows the f-16 having 2 sparrow and 4 sidewinders.
All F-16s except the japanese F-2 variant and maybe some of latest versions carry 6 missiles. So do not expect anything else. But air to ground capabilities will be extremely good compared to older ones, if they add the full loadout some day, you can carry HARMs, Harpoons, latest Mavericks and practically all except extremely large free fall bombs with this aircraft.
Can you make a video about using radar missiles. I just got into the Kurnass and cant seem to kill anything with sparrows because everyone is either low on the ground or using a lot of chaff
Correction about the amount of weapons, it has the same amount of pylons, actually 1 less, for weapons. Only the three outermost pylons on each side can carry missiles and the centerline, from what I find on the F-16C, it can not take a bomb anymore and only the drop tank. So at most it's going to be carrying your usual 4x AIM-9L + 2x AIM-7M (for the time being probably, until AIM-120s are introduced and will probably replace the sparrows, which can be fitted to all 6 missile pylons). If you want to count pylons on total, the F-16C has 2 more over the F-16A, but the center ones only have very dedicated purposes, carrying pods or in case of the centerline the drop tank.
@@Migthunder when it comes to air, yeah pretty much. It has HMD tho, which is very nice and possibly more flares (120 total, but not sure). No BOL dispensers so that's a bummer.
This HAS to be because the better missiles are in the pipeline and will drop with the December update, surely (guessing F-15/Su-27 with that winter patch)
90% chance that it'll be a max of 4/4 Sparrows/Sidewinders with the option of sacrificing sparrows for more sidewinders, with how powerful the radar is i doubt they'll give it a 6/2 loadout option.
@@___azrael___5475 thats not the point of modern jets, if you think that is, then you're as brain dead as the Sukhoi department when they made the Su-57.
Does no one realise how absolutely broken the F15 would be in the game's current state? And plus mikegoesboom (gaijin employee) said probably no F15 this whole year anyway
I feel like they are slowly reaching to the wall, and without major changes in game (e.g. increasing top BR and/or adding bigger maps) it would be hard for them to implement more advanced aircraft with newer weaponry in the future.
They aren't just slowly reaching the wall. They are already at it. For both air and ground, they are losing wiggle room when in comes to utilizing their old map designs, gamemodes and fm. 12v12 4th gen jets fighting in a 32km lengthwise map is just not enough anymore, which the same can be said for top tier MBTs. The range that these top tier vehicles are being forced to play at is becoming less and less tolerable as the equipment becomes more designed for long range engagement.
It’s not really a historical inaccuracy to not have aim 120 I’m pretty sure. F15c for example, standardised load out was sparrows and sidewinders during gulf war. There were cases where f15s were installed with AMRAAMs but they were never put into uses in combat and only a few of them actually received aim120s so I don’t think not having aim120 is just straight up betraying history at once lol
Could you make a video about dealing with f5 c and E? I am plsying hunter f 58 and they are really pain in the ass, since they are faster and more manuvs... The turn better
f16 was tested with aim7s. There are several documents that prove that if wanted, pilots could take aim 7s instead of aim 120s. Why you'd want to? No one knows. The f16C came into service as the sparrow was outdated. I mean literally weeks of it coming out but anyone who says the f16 couldn't use aim 7s is just either misinformed or hasn't bothered looking into it
My F-16A is my top sim performer. 100 to 1 kill/loss ratio in CAS work. Fitted with AGM-65B and the rack of 500lb bombs, it's just about perfect for knocking out wave after wave of SPAA and tanks in the advancing formations. If the C can slave the pod to the AGM-65Ds for better zoom and clarity, can still carry the 500lb racks and can use CCIP, oh man Sim is gonna be a blast.
Still no BAE EAP so Britain will continue to be stagnant until the Eurofighter is added but 'fitted for but not with' only applies to US and USSR so why did i expect different.
I would much rather get an F-15 without the fly-by-wire AOA limiting than get a new F-16. I have like no fun flying the F-16's because they can only pull like 8 or 9 g's while every other plane is pulling like 12 g's. If you are going fast and there is an enemy shooting a radar missile at you from relatively close, your only chance is to either fly really low or go slow so you have enough time to notch or crank. Of course the F-16s are great at low speed dogfights, but that's not really the meta right now.
It's not that it is easily powercrept persay, it's more of just calling out their lazy cope out. They could have added a more appropriate american jet that carries missiles that already exist and it has used historically. AHEM F-15A. But no, they chose to add a more advanced F-16 but deprived it of the very thing that it can be differentiated with from the F-16A.
@@rainsilentIf they ever add the N model the Navy got for aggressor training everyone's fucked. That thing was an absolute rocket ship, and absurdly maneuverable.
I am still a little disappointed on the way they’ve modeled the FM. The only difference between them is that the lighter weight means that it experiences less induced drag. The G limit should be the same at 9G which is currently not true in game. There are sources stating that the ADF’s larger tail surface increasing the effectiveness and countered the weight, and in fact even increased its slow speed high AoA handling. What it suffered from was increased induced drag which meant greater energy bleeding and worse rate fighting ability. As for the C model with the increased thrust it actually out paces it (20% thrust increase vs 17% drag increase). While the A Block 10 will still have less induced drag and therefore a tighter radius turn, in the prolonged rate fight the C Block 50/30 will rate better and lose speed less rapidly in a turn.
Eh, with the improved engine performance I’m sure it will be fine as long as you are using your airbrake appropriately. The f-16a is more maneuverable but it’s not by a massive amount. Squeezing out the planes true potential comes down to how you fly it and managing your speed. The same will likely be true of the C. Where if you get it in the right speed envelope it will turn like a madman. And the rest of the time it will hold speed and make wide turns. Time will tell but I predict that the improved engine performance will actually put it above the others. Kill your speed, make a sharp turn, then kick afterburner in and gain speed faster than any other plane. As long as you don’t fuck up you should have the initiative.
At this rate we will get 5th gen aircraft with AIM9L and Sparrows
Friggin right.
Ngl its at least balanced-
At least they are power creeping us to hell
@@randomuser5443
This doesn't change the power scale at all though. Will have the exact same loadout for air battles. It's heavier, while having a more powerful engine meaning Agility wise it will be roughly the same.
@@jonathonspears7736 okay, know understanding that, reread what i wrote. If you need help, im directly stating new missiles completely change the balance and at least we arent seeing that
I have been edging for the F/A-18 for so long that by the time it comes out I will be able to jet blast a hole through my extremely thick brick wall. Also neat plane.
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oh okay, that was actually meant to be edging. not just an autocorrect on "begging"
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it will continue to have 6 A-A missile pylons. The innermost pylons are unable to carry a-a missiles
Why? Weak spars or smth?
@@noname.noname.3560damn usb
thats how it is irl my man
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@@georgivanev7466 The innermost pylons are usually used for the external fuel tanks, granted they can use munitions as well; never seen it done though.
engine stats, fuel weight, fuel consumtion are all things gaijin likes to imagine to their liking dispite beeing plenty of data out there.
Yeah and maybe you should post all that data to the forums of war thunder I’m sure they’ll listen
@@im_javiipls no more leaking. Someone just leaked the whole manual for the eurofighter typhoon
@@im_javiithe forums that erased all of the good data sheets regarding almost every aircraft you mean? Of course!
@@williewilson2250 that was the joke (sorry my comment didn’t sound like a joke)
@@im_javii yeah ik, I'm just adding lmao
Hearing an F-16 flight model described as "bricky" is an absolute damning of Gaijin's FM programmers.
Only because it actually performs closer how it should than every everything else that pulls twice as much as they were actually able to
@@williewilson2250gaijin hates nato aircraft so much it’s hilarious
@@crispy_338 uhm...no?!?! That's a factor of gameplay, it's been a thing since the game existed with g multipliers
@@crispy_338 What? How? They game the US the only ARH in the game with the longest range.
@@crispy_338i guess you werent around for 11.3 tomcat
3:35 You're correct, the F-16C Block 50 doesn't have a CW illuminator, so it can't use the AIM-7 Sparrows, it could only use the AIM-120 AMRAAMs for radar-guided missiles. Also, most F-16's used in the Gulf War (which includes the current models already in-game) only carried AIM-9 Sidewinders, only the ADF version came equipped with AIM-7 Sparrows. This is because the F-16 was designed for short-range without BVR capability (the F-16 wasn't the only Coalition plane there :V).
When I said Gulf War, I meant Operation Desert Storm, not Northern Watch where the F-16's carried the AIM-120.
No, F-16C's are able to 100% fire and use AIM-7s, but never did due to 120s being the better option once it entered service.
Although i would agree that the C shouldn't have sparrows, i think it should just get sidewinders until proper fox 3 missiles get added. (or just not get added at all until then)
@@theflyinggasmask I never said all F-16C's, I mentioned Block 50 specifically. I think Fox 3's like the AIM-120 and R-77 would be added by the end of the year, some people have found loadout files for the Yak-141 that carries four R-77's.
AIM-7M doesn't need or use a CW illuminator. US C Block 50 didn't come with Sparrow or ever use it operationally, but a number of other C's were compatible and I'd bet the software worked, though the plane might not have been wired for Sparrow.
No need to guess, give it a month and someone will leak the manual
Gaijin; "j8 cant get the better radar missiles because its radar was incapable of guiding"
gaijin: "HAR HAR AIM 7 FOR F16 WHOS OWN MANUAL SAYS IT CANNOT GUIDE IT"
this happens a LOT in War Thunder though
I mean to be fair it has been seen on Egyptian F-16s, and it appears you can do it. You do have to modify the radar somewhat however. Lockheed Martin has fitted and fired Sparrows from F-16A, B and C variants.
it was able thanks to the retrofit (it guided it through pd illumination instead of cw illumination)
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 That is only on the other blocks of the C varient. The block 50 specifically cannot carry the aim7.
@@creepincreepy261 from what i can see its not cleared to by USAF, but that doesn't mean it couldnt. the missiles have been test fitted, and granted the radar + A/A Computer would need work to fire them irl but its not completely ludicrous
I am actually so incredibly confused and saddened by this
Don't worry we still wait for the f15 RAAAHHHHHHHHH
I would have preferred the F15A. Especially because every time they add a vehicle that should have Fox-3s and don't give them to it they basically remove some of its capabilities.
That is because they are prepping. Why do you think they gave sweden a j37 with nothing but fake armaments? They are putting all the puzzle pieces in place before they give them their weapons. They already said that AMRAAMs are coming to everyone at once so no one has a step up.
yeah it’s basically just another F16A but with slightly more thrust
the f15 prob wont get amraams they came out before amraams even existed or was a thought
@@jeivei1597that’s his point
I don't see an issue with F-16C not getting AIM120's yet but I hope once AMRAAM's get introduced into the game that the existing AIM7 modification will be replaced by AIM120's
The f16 block 50 had no cw illuminator to guide the sparrows
@thorluis226 it had a pd illuminator to guide sparrows though. it could fire them, and is documented as having fired them with a pulse doppler illuminator.
@@friendlysnoworb6091Most of what I've seen says that the USAF Block 50's couldn't, but other air forces chose to keep them, I don't know on exactly what version they removed the cw illuminator, if it was specifically the 50 then they could have added the Block 40.
@@galaxlordcz3933 50 couldn't. Exported 52s could.
They are going to be adding planes to every single nation which can carry aim120 or other missiles like it then add aim120 at the same time which will probably be December update
hey Aerospace student here
wanted to mention that fuel weight sensitivity is to do with the "CG travel" of the aircraft when it is weighted. Some aircraft are very well designed, where the position of the Centre of of Gravity (CG) can be a bit more flexible, but fighters in general are designed to have very little CG travel, to be more manoeuvrable
what this means is that most fighters are designed to be well balanced on empty weight, and then sacrifice balance with more fuel and weapons
physics & chemistry here: I'm sure what you said makes sense and everything but fuel has weight, and regardless of CG it just takes more effort (and bigger wings/lift I presume) to make a plane turn 90 degrees if it weighs more just because of its accumulated inertia that resists that movement.
Shape of the wing notwithstanding, mass just makes it difficult, every plane period will have a harder time turning with more fuel because it's greater magnitude of momentum will require more effort to move because of inertia afaik
You think Gaijin models CG shift lol???
@@sil3ntsp3ct3r...yes, actually. A while ago, the Fw 190 D was pretty well known for performing better on max fuel due to the CG shifting unfavorably on low fuel.
War Thunder models some things in great detail (prop wash, missile seekers, etc), and then models other things horribly ("redundant" controls on the P-61 have both knocked out at once, Su-25/F-5C damage models, etc).
@@sil3ntsp3ct3r Actually probably yes, the game already keeps track of fuel weight and what fuel tanks are in use for the amount you have (empty fuel tanks for instance don't catch fire, or full fuel tanks in the wings increase wing rip chance or rather lower the G tolerance). It's simplified of course, but the mechanics that allow it are there. The game engine is a physics engine by default, so this is what the engine probably would do by itself given the mechanics are in place, which they are.
Probably similar how air densities varying with map automatically changes ballistics etc. Hard to believe Gaijin would hard code ballistic trajectories right and not let the physics engine just do its thing.
Regardless this F-16 FM thing has probably more to do with how the instructor is modelled on the aircraft rather than anything else. With full controls you can still do much more than without, so the instructor is the limiting factor here.
@@Wotplaya4keeping track of fuel weight and which tank has fuel =/= cg shift. The Tomcat fuselage only has 3 giant tanks leading to magical giant leaps in performance every time each one empties.
If not for the missiles I could not even play jets. I am very old for a gamer and jets move way too fast for me to keep up.
Your content that you did a few years back on how to effectively ground attack in Air RB kept me playing long enough to learn the ropes in prop combat.
After watching I believe you are so good because of the way you think.
Thank You.
The 8 hardpoints arent all for A/A missles, the 2 closest to the fuselage are for fuel tanks and GBUs/HARMs only, you can only carry up to 6 missles on this jet. Also to be noted the block 50 is too modern for Fox 1 missles, therefore it shouldnt even get them.
Well tbf the Italian F-16 ADF also never used them (it only used AMRAAMs) but they gave it sparrows anyways (good choice imo)
@@jacoproita9010Not to mention no other nation has Fox-3s either yet.
I love how they add new planes without 90% of their features instead of adding slightly older yet almost complete jets. Like why f16c without amraam when you can add an early f15 that couldn't use amrram? Seems more logical to me but they don't want to spend money on new models so they just ctr c ctr v
Yea
They could’ve added the F15A….or the F18A….all use sparrows and 9L’s
Because you need to model and make F-15, while you can mostly copy-paste an F-16. :P
@@tkg__ it’s baffling to suggest they haven’t already paid someone like they do with just bout all there models to make them
I'm pretty sure the main thing is them being able to copy paste the F16A and changing some stats for more content rather than making new. Aka lazyness
I want a world where an air RB match starts and ends without anyone actually seeing each other.
I fucking dont lol
@@davidejlertsen5577Air RB can be fun, but I think its got a lot of problems. Mostly that there are way, way too many players on way too small maps. And the maps are big now, however…
The “map” is exactly the same, very few objectives, all located in the centre. So you just get the usual furball in the centre, only difference is it takes stupidly longer to fly there from the airbase. A good change would be add more bases and ground forces and spread them all over the map and maybe reduce the player count slightly.
uh what the fuck ? Then don't play ?
Air rb enduring confrontation with respawns
@@KennedyA53 This
The CW illmunitator which is required to fire sparrows only exists in the ADF variant and the MLU export kit which includes the same radar as block 50 but adds the CW illuminator to the radar. So why the hell does the F-16C get SARHs and the J8F doesn't get the PL-11s?
We're ready for FOX3s! Just let us have them already. Lol
For balance obviously jackass. You want PL-11s? By all means, but goodbye PL-8s. Id way rather have PL-8s than PL-11s and PL-5s
Facts man this was so ass backwards, they should just introduce the J10B with The PL12s
@@saltysteel3996 I'm going to disagree with you on this because they really should make all of the ground work (RWR overhaul, etc.) before adding those things or we gonna get those missiles like the R-73 on the MiG-29 on the dev server...
The added 2 pylons under the wings are for Fuel tank / ground ordnance only , no f 16 could carry 8 AAMs
6 AIM-120s whenever they come on the other hand..🤤 or 🙄 depending on your opinion.
aye. although you give up 2 sidewinders for 2 amraams too
Well not without dual ejector racks.
@@Fatallydisorganizedthe only "F-16" to use double racked rails, and I put that in quotes because it's not an F-16, is the Mitsubishi F-2.
Not even the Block 70/72 F-16's use dual rails.
@@evangalinsky2499 No country has bought them but both double ejector and triple ejector racks are available for AIM 120s
The fact that we could have recieved both the fa18A and f15a before this. But thsy both wouldnt have gotten amraams
They will probably add the f15a in the trailer and hopefully su27 but it’s either this major update or winter update
@@lilsage5092 su27 is not the counter for the f15a
@@mr.abrams8112 well ig mig25 something like that
Holy s**t snail going from the C blk 50, from the ADF, and blk 15 is quite the jump in terms of tech.
they should change the f16 in the italian TT.. they were block 10 only for the hardpoints, the rest was upgraded to block 50 (only when it comes for air to air)
*F-16C Block 50 entered the chat
*every Mig-23 and J-7 in sight: I'm in danger
the phantoms are just gonna die.
@@firestarteronyoutube5542Phantoms are like the universal punching bag or free RP of 11.0-12.0. The poor things, they were once the top of their game, but no longer.
@@thisisveerus6667 Personally I wouldn't write them off entirely but it relies on distracted + stupid enemies. in a 1v1 situation you should lose every time
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 Oh for sure, they are still honestly the bulk of top tier jets in most matches. It's just kind of sad how they are now compared to when they were fresh off the dev server.
So F-16 weighs 600kg more, but has 6,000lbf (2,722kgf) more thrust? Sounds like a great deal. Also, since it's G-limited anyways, there will be no difference in high speed pull.
You know how youll never get to the end of a rainbow? Yeah thats how getting to top tier feels
3:17 this is not true, the 16C has 6 air to air hardpoints just like the other Vipers, the F-2 is that one that can carry 8. Also unlike most aircraft, the F-16's wingtip pylons arent limited to IR missiles only as it can carry AIM-120s there and almost always do even if they're carrying AIM-9s. Also this is a Block 50 which means its probably going to get a HMD
So you can do 6x misisles of any combination? Interesting
@@diprosla592 with AMRAAMs yes, with sparrows you're still going to be limited by the same 2 pylons the ADF and MLU use since the other under wing pylons were never wired to carry sparrows
@@ComradeFury so f14 will still be king of bvr for America right?
@@diprosla592 yes
@@ComradeFury imagine if we would get the SUPER TOMCAT in war thudner
3:40 F-16C never carried AIM-7 for combat. Yet they were successfully and often tested without CW horn like on ADV. APG-68 on F-16C is capable of guiding Sparrows by using PD waveform. So, including Gaijobles logic, that's why they are in the game.
I wouldn't say all F-16Cs lack the ability to use Sparrows. Iraqi Block 52s carry them in combat, just depends on the country.
Ah yes, another top tier jet that the Americans so definitely needed...
Who cares, America needs better cas and when it comes to air battles nothing defeates r27s
Russian fanboys already crying while having best missle in a game? 😂😂
Rip minor nation
@@SauronBaggins69I would rather have 4aim9L and 2 aim7 than 2 r27er and 4 r60m
People blow the r27's impact out of the water, yes it's by FAR the best radar missile but radar missiles are trivially easy to defeat. If you already fired off both r27's then you're left with the r60m which is just SO much worse than the 9L. I'd take 4 of some of the best IR missiles in the game and 2 of the second best radar missiles over 2 of the best radar missiles and 4 of some sorry excuse for a top tier ir missile
@Null24 I have both f16, f14, yak 141, mig29 and mirage 2000. I would rather have 2 r27ER than 8aim7F and 12000 aim9L
DEFYN, even when it has 8 pylons it doesn't mean that it can carry 8 missiles. F-16C Block 50 has 6 missile pylons and those inner pylons are for bombs or HARMs I guess. 3:18
Haha waiting for harms to slap those cheeky pantsir
@@Wally_Wombat689 yeah 😄
The inner pylons are only for bombs. The next inner pylons could carry HARM. So maximum missiles is 4 with HARMS
@@Fatallydisorganized oh, I didn't know that. Sorry
@@helltoncek6572 all good.
Honestly I just want a HMD on this thing. Pretty sure it got it later in its service life but would be a huge help, regardless of what it’s armed with
Block 50+ had HMD
@@jordancourse5102 ah gotcha, thought it came in during the block 50, just a little later
Gaijin just continues adding more advanced technology while avoiding the elephant in the room of BVR. You eventually get to a point in technology where BVR is the only option, top tier would need a complete rework to even work and not ruin the game.
The F16C - 50 only uses AIM-9M and/or AIM-120 missiles. It can't use Sparrows at all. How could Gaijin screw up so bad?!
It also only carries 6 missiles. The other 2 hardpoints are not for A-A missiles.
small indie company pls understand
Gaijin isn’t implementing AIM-120s because no other nation will have them. The game would be completely unbalanced period and the minor nations would suffer even more. That’s why they don’t. They don’t plan on bringing Fox-3s til next year or the end of this year anyway.
@@hulilupteri.gaijin is about as indie as embracer group
@@gtmike916and i bring you the mig-29. You're point doesn't make sense
Hell they could've pulled a J-8F and left you with no radar missiles at all until PL-12s and AMRAAMs are properly introduced
You’re absolutely going to notice having TWS over the current F-16’s radar
The thing is early and prototype f16 block 50 didn't carry aim120, they appear in late 1990 while the aim120 in service late 1991. The first block 50 was deliver to usaf in November 1991 and in january 1992, IOC (Initial Operational Capability) was achieved for the aim120 on f16
We’re so close to F-15’s MiG-25s and the F-2.
Just give it to us already gaijan!!
Oh yeah, finally block 50 is here! I can't wait to rock the Turkish Air Force and SoloTürk camos with it.
Imagine if Italy Gets a actual italian jet like A-11 Ghibli. Better A-10, made in Italy yet it still not in the game
Imagine Italy getting anything…
Yeah thats just impossible.
And if they add something they will limit its options or model it wrong
italy should just be removed much better for everyone
@@decold7768minor nation syndrome; France, Japan, Israel & Britain all know your pain
All I want is the F 15…. But I guess that was too big of an ask
I bet they will add Aim120 next years summer which F14D will be added
This does not make sense to me. The f16c can't even use sparrows. They could've just added the f15A but no they're probably gonna add it with the su 27 which will completely stomp it because of a ten year difference of capabilities between them.
The Block 50 is muh baby
Thank god another F-16 and not the F-15 everybody has wanted. Can’t wait to wait another 6 months for them to add a 3rd mig29
It straight up says in the dev blog that it will carry Sparrows. I also don't think a non-american plane would have "DULUTH" and it's Bulldog on the vertical stabilizer and rudder.
"Moving onto what weaponry this further developed F-16C has to offer. Thanks to 8 weapon hardpoints and a new radar, the F-16C will ensure that you’ll have the best weapons at your disposal. For air-to-air missiles, the F-16C can carry the AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile as well as AIM-9L Sidewinders."
Get this man to 100k.
It seems Gaijin are in the process of laying the groundwork for advanced fox3s, adding the F-16C, adding the MiG-29SMT, the fact that the Gripen is confirmed for this year, J-8F, Tornado F.3, Mirage 2000-5F, all of these aircraft could retroactively be given AMRAAMs, R-77s, PL-12s, or MICA-RFs when the big Fox3 patch finally comes out and better yet we'll already have the aircraft so we don't need to grind out 500,000 rp to get our Fox3s because the aircraft are already unlocked.
i edge to your videos for 7 hours a day. just wanted to let you know
DCS nerds like me watering from their mouths cuz they know every single button in the block 50
Can't wait to be able to stare at each switch enviously not being able to flick it!
Dam straight haha. I kinda hope that when they add aim120s you can set them to go pit bull of the rail. Kinda like an ir it uses its own seeker to find a target up to like 10nm or smth. Basically a long range ir missile.
@@Wally_Wombat689 Thats not how that works, they have a sort of "fixed" range. Not necessarily fixed but the missles decides on its own to go active, usually (at least in DCS) thats around 8nm when fighting at SL-10k ft
Block 50 never carried AIM-7s, Block 20 and 52 exported to some countries did. 50 and 52 have marginal changes (from the game's perspective) so this "F-16C Block 50" in the game might be "50/52" as this is how it is often grouped anyway. But 52 did have a slightly different engine.
I'd like to see some export F-16C/D Block 52s from let's say Poland.
they adding the bl52 to Israel
Worth noting that thermal mavericks with a targetting pod on a supersonic jet might actually give the pantsirs a run for their money.
Maybe. Given the pantsir can slap you at 13Km+ and spot you on spawn it'll be a coin toss as to whether they're paying attention or not.
@@machinech183the maverick should have a range of 10nm which is 18.5km. It should easily outrage pansir.
@@FatallydisorganizedShould has f'all to do with Gaijin logic. You get 8km with the D reliably. They self-detonate beyond that. Gaijin doesn't give two shits about what should be.
If it does thank god. The pantsirs are just too goddamn strong right now. Shit sees you from half an ARB map away and blasts you to hell with a high G capable missile. With a thermal mav and target pod, they might just level out top tier ground.
Look what they did to my boy
more like AIM-120s and have left the rail
as fast as usual, Defyn!
I'm still looking out for the Gripen hopefully coming this patch, sweden really could do with something beyond a modernized 60s jet, as cool as the viggen actually is.
If you're willing to answer, at what point do you think AMRAAM would fit into this game?
This makes me very excited, F-16 is sick a cool aircraft and the c model is even cooler 😎
What sucks is it says that it has 8 hard points; but it can only carry 6 missiles. In the pictures with just air to air stuff it only shows the f-16 having 2 sparrow and 4 sidewinders.
All F-16s except the japanese F-2 variant and maybe some of latest versions carry 6 missiles. So do not expect anything else. But air to ground capabilities will be extremely good compared to older ones, if they add the full loadout some day, you can carry HARMs, Harpoons, latest Mavericks and practically all except extremely large free fall bombs with this aircraft.
If the teaser comes tomorrow, it is a stream showcase on friday and weekend dev server so lets hope for the Teaser
Can you make a video about using radar missiles. I just got into the Kurnass and cant seem to kill anything with sparrows because everyone is either low on the ground or using a lot of chaff
Correction about the amount of weapons, it has the same amount of pylons, actually 1 less, for weapons. Only the three outermost pylons on each side can carry missiles and the centerline, from what I find on the F-16C, it can not take a bomb anymore and only the drop tank. So at most it's going to be carrying your usual 4x AIM-9L + 2x AIM-7M (for the time being probably, until AIM-120s are introduced and will probably replace the sparrows, which can be fitted to all 6 missile pylons).
If you want to count pylons on total, the F-16C has 2 more over the F-16A, but the center ones only have very dedicated purposes, carrying pods or in case of the centerline the drop tank.
So it's essentially another adf 😐
@@Migthunder when it comes to air, yeah pretty much. It has HMD tho, which is very nice and possibly more flares (120 total, but not sure). No BOL dispensers so that's a bummer.
This HAS to be because the better missiles are in the pipeline and will drop with the December update, surely (guessing F-15/Su-27 with that winter patch)
90% chance that it'll be a max of 4/4 Sparrows/Sidewinders with the option of sacrificing sparrows for more sidewinders, with how powerful the radar is i doubt they'll give it a 6/2 loadout option.
The power of the radar doesn’t matter though when you using it to shoot a lacklustre missile
The innermost hardpoints dont allow missiles, only mid, outer and tip can load either sw or sp
I really hope they add the AIM7P's for the F-16c...
Mmmmmm, datalink
@@ISAFSoldier yerrrrrr!
Another F-16 alright.
another? bro the American tech tree only now has three F-16s, stop whining about getting a competitive top teir jet
Competitive? In which way ? Can't outperform mig29, mid as the others
@@___azrael___5475the f16 does just fine vs the mig 29
@@___azrael___5475 thats not the point of modern jets, if you think that is, then you're as brain dead as the Sukhoi department when they made the Su-57.
And there will be plenty more to come!
Where are the chad McDonnell Douglas MACHINES?
We don’t need it though, we need F15A (the one with flares)
God I wish the Brits got something other than a Tornado or F4 Phantom at top tier
my diaspointment of not seeing the f15 in the devblog is inmense
I know, who wanted another F16, it flies like crap compared to mig 29 or f14, i hate it. and twin engines kick ass and look sexy
Does no one realise how absolutely broken the F15 would be in the game's current state? And plus mikegoesboom (gaijin employee) said probably no F15 this whole year anyway
F-15s for the current meta would be ridiculous and would seriously hurt the game
@@CarolusR3xf15a would be balanced it only carried aim9l and aim7
@bhigames1162 not with its extreme power to weight ratio and superb high altitude performance, it would still be very over the top.
I feel like they are slowly reaching to the wall, and without major changes in game (e.g. increasing top BR and/or adding bigger maps) it would be hard for them to implement more advanced aircraft with newer weaponry in the future.
They aren't just slowly reaching the wall. They are already at it. For both air and ground, they are losing wiggle room when in comes to utilizing their old map designs, gamemodes and fm. 12v12 4th gen jets fighting in a 32km lengthwise map is just not enough anymore, which the same can be said for top tier MBTs. The range that these top tier vehicles are being forced to play at is becoming less and less tolerable as the equipment becomes more designed for long range engagement.
I can think off couple of situations where 8 is not better then 6.
Some F-16C's can carry Sparrows but the US never equipped them with Sparrows
It’s not really a historical inaccuracy to not have aim 120 I’m pretty sure. F15c for example, standardised load out was sparrows and sidewinders during gulf war. There were cases where f15s were installed with AMRAAMs but they were never put into uses in combat and only a few of them actually received aim120s so I don’t think not having aim120 is just straight up betraying history at once lol
And mirage 2000 is still unable to use fuselage pylons for AA missiles despite being able to do so irl.
This is proof that we have offended God and are paying for it.
negawatt
Could you make a video about dealing with f5 c and E? I am plsying hunter f 58 and they are really pain in the ass, since they are faster and more manuvs... The turn better
So modern day F-16. Oh boy...
Gripen when?
I want to see some full videos of low tier trash planes.
Where F15? I've been flying my damn Phantom II since forever waiting for the F15. And where Harrier II?
f16 was tested with aim7s. There are several documents that prove that if wanted, pilots could take aim 7s instead of aim 120s. Why you'd want to? No one knows. The f16C came into service as the sparrow was outdated. I mean literally weeks of it coming out but anyone who says the f16 couldn't use aim 7s is just either misinformed or hasn't bothered looking into it
Why no F-4F with aim-9l?
bro is fast jesus
I cannot be the only one that’s pissed this isn’t an F15A.
My F-16A is my top sim performer. 100 to 1 kill/loss ratio in CAS work. Fitted with AGM-65B and the rack of 500lb bombs, it's just about perfect for knocking out wave after wave of SPAA and tanks in the advancing formations.
If the C can slave the pod to the AGM-65Ds for better zoom and clarity, can still carry the 500lb racks and can use CCIP, oh man Sim is gonna be a blast.
So they didn’t give J8F Aspides but here we are smh
When aim9L for FGR.2?
it’s already mentioned on devblog it can carry AIM-7 !
@@dinmor9518 well , you haven’t seen full video lol
ooh nice
Actually irl there basically isnt any difference in manouvrability between the F-16 Block 10 compared to the Block 15 ADF
whooooop another plane ill never get to touch
Still no BAE EAP so Britain will continue to be stagnant until the Eurofighter is added but 'fitted for but not with' only applies to US and USSR so why did i expect different.
So gajin started to milk tgis plane already
Fairly certain the new engine offsets most of the performance loss of added weight imo
I would much rather get an F-15 without the fly-by-wire AOA limiting than get a new F-16. I have like no fun flying the F-16's because they can only pull like 8 or 9 g's while every other plane is pulling like 12 g's. If you are going fast and there is an enemy shooting a radar missile at you from relatively close, your only chance is to either fly really low or go slow so you have enough time to notch or crank. Of course the F-16s are great at low speed dogfights, but that's not really the meta right now.
Cannot believe people are crying that MORE powercreep did not get added. I for one am looking forward to the french missile box so far (it will suck)
It's not that it is easily powercrept persay, it's more of just calling out their lazy cope out. They could have added a more appropriate american jet that carries missiles that already exist and it has used historically. AHEM F-15A. But no, they chose to add a more advanced F-16 but deprived it of the very thing that it can be differentiated with from the F-16A.
Flareless YF-23 Black Widow premium with 9C’s and 9E’s when???????
Me a Sweden main. Just crying
Wasn't the C Block 50 supposed to be the most maneuverable variant?
Of the Cs maybe. Of all F-16s? Hell no. A variant of the A model always had that honor.
@@rainsilentIf they ever add the N model the Navy got for aggressor training everyone's fucked. That thing was an absolute rocket ship, and absurdly maneuverable.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Would be a fun at a later date premium.
Vid #1:of asking defyn to energy fight in A10
I expected the flanker to be dropped but.... Now I am disappointed :(
Well, mabye it will be the foxbat. I would actually commit domestic terrorism to see that aircraft
@@2goober4u I think we are now reaching into the territory of "too far" now :)
Shouldn’t there be better armaments for it? 😂 (the the eurofighter potentially come out?)
I am still a little disappointed on the way they’ve modeled the FM. The only difference between them is that the lighter weight means that it experiences less induced drag. The G limit should be the same at 9G which is currently not true in game. There are sources stating that the ADF’s larger tail surface increasing the effectiveness and countered the weight, and in fact even increased its slow speed high AoA handling. What it suffered from was increased induced drag which meant greater energy bleeding and worse rate fighting ability.
As for the C model with the increased thrust it actually out paces it (20% thrust increase vs 17% drag increase). While the A Block 10 will still have less induced drag and therefore a tighter radius turn, in the prolonged rate fight the C Block 50/30 will rate better and lose speed less rapidly in a turn.
Eh, with the improved engine performance I’m sure it will be fine as long as you are using your airbrake appropriately.
The f-16a is more maneuverable but it’s not by a massive amount. Squeezing out the planes true potential comes down to how you fly it and managing your speed.
The same will likely be true of the C. Where if you get it in the right speed envelope it will turn like a madman. And the rest of the time it will hold speed and make wide turns.
Time will tell but I predict that the improved engine performance will actually put it above the others. Kill your speed, make a sharp turn, then kick afterburner in and gain speed faster than any other plane.
As long as you don’t fuck up you should have the initiative.
We better get an f18
Still only 6 AAM's.