Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: M47 Patton II Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Get ready for the new tour with Nicholas Moran! This time, we will see the American M47 Patton II tank. How is it different from its precursor, the M46? What's peculiar about the front suspension? Why does a tank need a trailer? What monsters live in the vehicle? Watch now to find out! Happy viewing!
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It's the German Tiger Tank from Battle of the Bulge!
That movie was good but I couldn’t get past the fucking “tigers”
And the M-24 Chaffee was the Sherman in that film. Weird, huh?
@@chandlerwhite8302 And so was the Halftracks and army trucks was all american vehicles. Lol!
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, i read your book!
Lmfao
When my grandfather was in the Belgian army, he had to ferry M47's from one side of the base of Leopoldsburg to the other. For this this he had to cross a public road. As he crosses the road with the third tank, a impact happens to the side of the tank. He was a bit shocked as he believed he hitted the traffic light pole. Or the track snapped off. As he exited the tank, he found out a 2CV car had ignored the traffic blockade and MP and drove straight into the side of the tank. The occupants were............not alive. Inside the remains they found dozens of empty bottles of beer and the couple were known public drinkers.He never forgot that day...
Friend said he followed an Abrams in iraq. Similar thing happened and the crew thought they hit the curb but completely flatter a Toyota compact car that tried to drive around the tank but slowed down once in front
@@codyparker679 My grandfather was stationed in Germany in the 60s and was watching a bunch of M60s with swamp tracks crossing an intersection going downhill. MP halted traffic as the column of tanks moved through but one driver got impatient and thought he could make it through the column...
The result was that his entire vehicle with 3 or 4 people was completely flattened by an M60 tank.
Lesson: Don't try to drive through tanks.
@@weak1ings It's amazing that even needs to be said. "Don't risk getting into an accident with something about 40 times heavier than your car, which is designed to kill."
@@filmandfirearms I guess some people just don't understand the intricacies of tanks
Interesting story. Thanks for sharing
My Dad was Staff Sargent in the USMC 3 Div. Motor Transport ( motor pool ) aka ( garage mechanic ) for any civilian reading this .
My Mom and I would go to his Quonset hut to pick him up on weekends but he always showed me what he and his crew was working on .
At any given time there was a different tank they'd have in the shop .
The Patton's where my favorite .
One of my happiest boyhood memories is of my Dad and I going to the movies to see the double feature; "Battle of the Bulge" and "Patton." The first movie featured Spanish Army M47s and M24s playing the parts of the German and American tanks, respectively. So awesome!
Combat was my favorite T V show growing up. I laugh when I see U.S Halftracks and M41 Walker Bulldogs as Germans armor vehicles. Same with the movies Battle of the Bulge and Patton. Loved them all!!.
My coolest experience with tanks was when I was in basic training in the Army at Fort Knox we were Road marching down a road to the training ranges when all of a sudden we heard a high pitched whine and a platoon of M1 Abrams came over the hill and then split off on the sides of the road we were marching on to be that close to walking past those big things was really cool
I did basic at knok in 1986 for the M 60 A3 tank.
I was a tank driver/gunner in Germany from 1987 to 1988. On our moter pool we had a M 47 they were cleaning up for display. I would walk up and look it over when ever I had the time. Very cool looking tank.
German second hand M47 where leaky and the rain guards kept some water out/away from the turret ring. Many german M47 had the rain guards lengthened / made continous.
We used the M47 for targets in the mid 70's, the 105mm heat would go through it with no problem. After 4-5 hits the turret roof would blow off some of them.
No need for turret roof...well with 1 heat shell is enough to ammo rack/crew knock the whole tank...it has no armor for its era...but of course you know more sir!
And then you realize...something at LEAST 40k in cost was used as a target dummy lol.
@@ICCUWANSIUT They use entire ships as targets, dude. They cost hundreds of millions new. And I think $40,000 is a significant underestimate, even for the 1950s. The military is not known for cost-consciousness. Think of all the brand new tanks and planes they bulldozed and sunk in the ocean in 1945-46. At least in that case it would have actually cost more to bring them home.
The rain guard looks like it's for when the turret is facing forward or 180 and the front hatches are open.
So that water running down the turret doesn't just pour in through the open hatch and on to the driver's head.
life goals-
1.)own a tank
Just join the army dude.
army doesnt give away tanks
. Doesn't matter. You still get to drive/ride in one :)
Potato Potato Yea, but it's not the same. Plus, tanks are surprisingly cheap to purchase as s civilian. Cheap to purchase -- but not cheap to own.
Open_Branch one of my former Commanding Officers own a number of tanks and armored cars. He won’t let me drive them. You drop one M-113 in the river and everyone thinks your a crappie driver.
You have to admit with her balance of lines and curves the M47 is one of the most beautiful tanks ever made.
Cant agree
Stanley Jedrzejczyk they meant aesthetically, not functionally. Though I personally don’t like the design of the turret, the hull is something else. I’m more of a Stug fan.
The M47 was in American service with 1st & 2nd Armoured Divisions in summer 1952. All 7 Marine Corps Tank Battalions until the M103. After the M48 was available the M47 was put in reserve forces as "limited stardard" use & sold off after 1955. America never used it in combat.
My favourite toy as a kid was a huge toy Patton tank :)
I loved my army stuff, I had toy British paras, us marines and Japanese soldiers (which were my favorite, I liked their bayonets)
But my big Patton tank was my favourite, I had a huge Willys jeep I loved too
Now I'm a grown man I love scale models and actual militaria, but I've still got my toy Patton and jeep in my garage
There are like 12 of these that were used for target practice just lined up along the tank trail on Orogrande base camp, New Mexico. Pretty cool to see them during our field exercise.
Sad, but the new tanks had to have something to shoot at.
1:27 I love the looks of those turrets
Would really love to see an Inside the Chieftain’s Hatch on the M-48 tank.
Have not heard the term "Turret Monster" or "Hull Monster" in a long long time.
The gutters are to keep some water from running down the turret and getting in the poorly sealed bearing area.
"Today I was given a brigade of Tiger tanks (M-47s). That is reality..."
12:51 they should use sealed batteries or just remove them to cut down on corrosion caused by the acid.
Awe come on Nick , she's a beauty. Right proper and not all spit shined like a city girl.
Those rain strips on the turret look well-placed to keep rain from running down the turret and onto the driver & BOG.
3:50 Look at that beautiful weld. :3
DexMaster881 clearly the work of a master riveter
It's technically called "Chicken S**t" welds. Not pretty, but better than nothing.
make a wish foundation. "what would you like to do little one?"
kid. "weld a tank"
Note: When you put a grid of holes or slots in an armor plate, it obviously reduces its strength against projectiles trying to punch through it. For a battleship deck with a plate with such holes to let uptake smoke out, tests showed that the plate was only about 40% as strong as a solid plate of the same thickness (it also weighed only about 50% as much as a solid plate, so even with a weight measure, it was still somewhat weaker). With the large slots in the upper rear hull of the M47 tank, I would think that the loss would be more, possibly only 30% as strong as a plate of that total thickness. My data does not seem to show any difference in the effects of sloping these punctured plates compared to solid plates. Note that the S-tank cross-bars on its extremely-sloped 75-degree upper front hull were not to stop projectiles themselves, but to cause them to hit 2 or 3 of these armor chunks again and again when the tank was hit by near-horizontal fire from the frontal arc before finally reaching the 40mm 75-degree-sloped top plate. Such extremely-sloped impacts would wreck thin-walled HESH/HEP and HEAT rounds and make them virtually useless against that upper hull, while causing the nose of AP/APC and HVAP/APCR/APDS rounds to tilt upward somewhat, on top of knocking off any AP cap and slowing the projectile somewhat, which would further degrade their penetration through the 40mm plate. Those bars would also have some limited degradation effect against APFSDS rounds to destroy part of their nose and forward body material so that the rounds could not move as far into the 40mm armor before melting totally away (deflecting APFSDS rounds is usually not very effective since the nose simply dissolves under high pressure and the body continues in a straight line). As APFSDS and top-attack HEAT missiles (firing downward as they pass overhead) became more common, the armor on the S-tank became less effective, so this is one of the reasons they were finally retired.
The cross bars on S tanks also helped keep small arms fire and shell fragments from deflecting off the armor into the optics and viewing ports, if any.
Was the M47 used to portray the Tiger II in the Movie Battle Of The Bulge( Robert Shaw, Henry Fonda)?
TheGV50 the classic one? That happens to be the predecessor of the M47 the M-26
Yes! They also appeared in Patton and many other WW2 films.
Hell yes
Arnold drove one of these!
When I think of the word "Tank," this (Actually the M60) is the basic shape I have in my head. This is pretty much the average tank in my mind, probably because of my generation. (I grew up in the 70s, and 80s) Just for an example of how iconic the M47-through-M60 line are, Arnold Schwarzenegger bought the one he used in the Austrian Army in the 60s. AFAIK, it's still in running condition.
Psiberzerker. For me it’s the-60A-1 and A-2. As well as the M-47 because that’s what the ROK Army was using when i was stationed in South Korea from 76 to 77. And then there’s the M-155, they were part of the 4/7 Cav.
That’s the M-551, my bad.
I got to see one at a memorial site. They are pretty impressive!
the Turret monster got my ID card. Few months later had to pull the turret and was able to recover it, after getting a replacement.
Having that small little joe engine would have been nice when I was in. I had to tow start an M-60A1 with another M-60A1 one day. That was loads of fun... not.
1) Agreed, every tank should have a Little Joe 2) No slave cables around ?
I've had to ground guide M113s with trailers...backing up. Serious pain.
Holy smokes , I'd love to get a chair and sodas while watching that cluster , lol.
Aren’t those the small APC’s that sometimes had a recoil gun on the top?
recoilless rifle? Yes. It's a tracked shoebox.
The rain guards, keep the rainwater from flowing into driver hatch?. Sorry English is not that good.
English is quite good.
One of the theme I am noticing about the American vehicles is that they had shorter service times compared to British tanks. As soon as one tank was developed, another one would start being developed. The M24 Chaffee and M26 Pershing are great examples. M26 only served in the last months of WW2 and early Korean War. Same with the M24 Chaffee. British tanks such as Churchill and Centurion served much longer times. Churchill served for 5 years(1941-1945) while Centurion served throughout majority of the Cold War.
Churchill served in Korea too
Actually every nations does that including the British it just that you're probally just tunnel vision and doesnt look at other nations tank development, both are an almost obsolete design by the end of war anyway why would you keep them when you could develop a new one? And the M26 is a bad example as it is an underdevelop tank, so much problem with that one
Would really love to see you do an “Inside The Chieftain’s Hatch” with an M-48!
I think even in the modern era they could benefit from quick detach trailers for tanks. Not for fuel but for stuff. Not essential stuff either but stuff you might want to bring with you such as extra food or maybe some extra ammo for deeper missions or something. It would probably work okay when you're driving down the road just crossing the country, and it would increase the overall fuel efficiency of the army. BUT if you ran into contact the commander could press a button that would detach the trailer somehow either by explosives or releasing a hook or something like that so the tank could ditch it and go into combat mode instantly. This is also why you wouldn't want to bring anything too valuable in them as they could be destroyed in the cross fire. Idk just a thought.
enjoyed the info..great job..my dad trained on the m47..very good tank..
The T95 was a prototype, but I wish Nicholas reviewed it from outside to inside. That would be amazing !!!
Funny when I 1st got to Ft Lewis in April 2002 I was in 1st Battalion 33rd Armored Regiment as a Scout. Shortly after my arrival as 1st Brigade 25th Infantry Division was transitioning to the Stryker we were reflagged to 2nd Squadron 14th Cavalry Regiment and we were the RSTA (Recon Surveillance and Target Acquisition) Squadron for 1st BDE 25th ID.
You're making really interesting videos! But why dont you show us how you spun the turret out of the way? Or you could fire up the engine once in a while. I'd just like to see a little more action :)
We used to use these for target practice a Ft. CARSON back in the 80s
M47 Patton rainguards.
Looking at the placement of them, and the turret's angles, it would seem like the fore-mounted ones are to keep the turret to act like a big rain collector dumping the load onto the driver's and hull-gunner's hatch. Why? Even if the hatches are closed and won't leak, the water might splash over/in front of the periscopes.
yeah I was in theUS Army. we still use the numbers like this for the most part.
My father used this tank in Cyprus Peace Act 1974, he said there was 5 people in the tank and he was the gunner and the control pannel is very tricky because there are 24 things to be done right for firing.
Why the M47 is not on WOT? I used to drive one 40 years ago.
Well, asking again can't hurt. Please do the Object 279, as In my VERY long searches, I have yet to find photo documentation of the interior of the tank. The one at Kubinka, If they will let you do the video, is the best (and only :P) place to start.
Will you please look at the M6A1 heavy tank in the next video you do
Used to know a guy that had a suburban suv from the 70s. Said it got 7mpg whether or not he had a full trailer attached so he was almost always hauling something. Increasing the cargo moved per gallon was the only efficiency increase that monster was physically capable of so i understand why the army wanted to use the trailers with tanks. Even if they didnt haul fuel it saved a truck having to use fuel to do the same amount of chemical work already being done in the tanks engine. A slight efficiency boost on paper but having a trailer that can accommodate double the usual amount of infantry tanks can bear could absolutely be of benefit in the right circumstances. I think the problem came from trying the idea during a war centered around mountains and other broken terrain.
I wouldve just made the trailers with CV joints at the hookups and a second set of wheels above the first set so the trailer could roll when empty and be able to still be pulled afterwards. A tank wouldnt struggle to drag an upside down trailer but itll break that equipment.
Nick does this because...yes, this is not a lie...it makes him happy...at some point...obviously off camera.
*Thanks for letting us know, well done!!*
question? cast turrets/hulls vs. plate steel? wouldn't plate steel typically be of greater strength than castings?
Looks like the rain gutters were there to keep the water from getting into the turret ring.
A pintle hitch for a trailer, be it fuel, ammo, gear or a water buffalo may not be essential in combat operations but it may come in handy if you have to bug out of an area and those assets would otherwise fall into enemy hands because their normal prime movers are deadlined/destroyed.
Nick look small standing on the tail of that tank it was a real beast
please guys change the background music, its too repetitive and boring... just to help you going ;) great materials thou, but that music kills me, I might think that im not only the one who spotted that.
no it's just the challengers music who's needs to change Chieftan is fine
music is great
The music is fine until you start to watch his videos daily. Any sort of reused material (other than obvious things like the intro/outro music) gets old. Not trying to insult the chieftain, but just hoping for the most entertaining experience. I know that music rights aren't as easy (or cheap) as one wants.
Consider this: the theme which he plays in the background repeats its musical material every 60 seconds. It never changes chords (based off of a pentatonic guitar riff). Therefore, in this video alone you're forced to hear that theme at least 14 times. Watch part 2 and you've heard the same theme another 14-15 times. Decide to watch another of the videos, and now you've spent the better part of an hour listening to 60 seconds of music on repeat.
Me also. The music is cool but it's repeated way too much. Play it as an intro theme, then just let the guy talk with no music. I love what you guys are doing.
Looks like the rain guard is there to stop water running off the turret into the open driver's hatch.
Always great to see these. Are you going to be at Tank Fest Northwest this year, Chieftain?
Looks like the rain guards may be there to keep the run off of water from the turret from going directly into the drivers hatch when open?
The rain guard was put there to keep as much water from running down the turret on the drivers hatch
please please kill the background music we are not here to listen to irritating background noise
The music adds a lot of great atmosphere.
@@HiTechOilCo Yeah, a great atmosphere for a torture chamber
Pls no.
This music is each time a real pain in the butts.
I love the slopes turret
Tankers are amazing.
My dad was putting all those new tanks through their paces before they got sent to Korea.
TY guys for the video. :)
Using right-angles as zero, the net angle of slope of an armor plate is COSINE(Slope) = COS(Vert Slope) x COS(Horiz slope). Take the ARCCOS of COS(Slope) and you have the true angle..
Frogs eyes - this would make a fascinating video showing the triangulation principle of sighting.
Nick, nice work!!
Would it be possible to discuss how to service/repair a typical track system?
Say...if they throw a track.
If the batteries are parallel you double cranking amps. In a series you get double volts.
Excellent series very well done.
What kind of gobbed up mess is that weld at 3:51?
Cool Tank, thanks for your great explanation!
Could you please link the other intro music you use on these videos? I can't find it but I remember it had a nice drum beat.
Inside a Tiger II.
Yes please
Inside an Easy 8 sherman. And tiger 1
He is alluding to the Battle of the Bulge movie, 1965
The background music is specifically designed to irritate you into losing track of the walk-around explanation. True.
Rain guards to collect rain water for drinking etc? Infantry could reach them with their water bottles?
How come m47 never adapt m26 long barrel tank gun?
I mean...who on this planet doesn't love tanks??? Before I die I have to crawl into one. But nowhere I know of that will allow you to do so. The closest I came to a tank was a museum in Austria. I have to try and dig up the pics to identify it.
I remember a couple vids back there was Panzer 58 mutz are u doing a vid on that in the future also cant wait for part 2 i love these series.
Why does he read the unit markings as division, battalion, regiment, when appears to be written division, regiment, battalion? I seem to recall, but cannot cite hearing veterans discuss their unit history as battalion then regiment, rather than regiment then battalion.
Judging by his cadence, I suspect he reads the lower unit markings as company, tank, platoon for illustrative purposes.
lol I have been watching these & it got me wondering if you could just buy a tank. Sure enough, you can. If you want a functional gun, it requires the associated licenses etc but apparently that can be done in the US. If you are happy with a decommissioned cannon, it looks like a cash & carry kinda deal. lol They cost more than my house so I won't be buying one anytime soon but, if you got the cash, you could buy a tank to cruise around on your ranch & crush old cars. lol I assume if you have cash for a tank, you already have a nice ranch to drive it on. Who says $$$ can't buy happiness? lol
My nanas father fought in the 3rd armored division 1941 1945
can you make the t54 mod 1 on a rental special soon
I really like the background music while you're talking.
My only criticism for this video- Chieftain forgets to lift with his legs, not his back at 10:50
could we possibly see this on WoT?!?
It's the second upgrade to the M46
I'm confused with a number of developments. This is probably due to lack of one MBT design that came from Britain to replace all WW2 tanks.
We used to steal the rangefinder parts from m47s , from the tank junk yard, in Graffinweir to keep our m60s and 60 A1 going
don't even know if there is a real one but if there is can u do the stb1 it is my favourite tank in the game
they should still try if they go to japan or wherever they keep it cheers btw
I wonder how many sensitive items (M1911/M9, pro masks,etc.) have been eaten by the hull monster.
So, When do WG put the M47 Patton ingame? Not the M46E1. The R-EAL M47.
Is it possible that the rain guard's where for water collection?
I think this tank is even better looking than the ww2 Panther!!!
Remember Arnold has one too
The only US made tank to be redesignated as the King Tiger in the inaccurate as hell WW2 movie Battle of the Bulge.
It type of simliar Type 61 tank
Nick; was the idea of tanks having trailers a follow-on, natural-consquence, from the success of the 'Crodocile' system; or, did the concept stem from somewhere-else?
In close-to 50 years I've never had a decent answer to this quandry.
Kind and Respectful Regards Nick, Uyraell, NZ.
They got one of these for a gate guardian down in 29 palms. Always wanted to get inside it but the hatch iwas welded shut. (I got drunk and checked one night).
29 palms?
@@HiTechOilCo Military base in the mojave desert. A really really shitty one.
@@nonyabeeznuss304 they picked the place where theres no water, extremely dry heat just cause the Marine Corps wants to remind you they hate you lol
@@MinnesotaWoodsman23 The history of the place is literally "the army and the airforce declared it unfit for human habitation so the marine corps bought it."
The number of palms is overestimated by 28. Back in the day there was one solitary tree with a fence around it and the sign "29 Palms National Forest"It's like Irwin and Yakima. You can shoot the main gun in any direction and not impact off post.
We need a tier 6 or tier 7 american premium med. In the ingame tech tree forever
When are you going to make a video about Amx-50b?
that tank never saw service and only 5 prototypes were built. very unlikely you will see that tank here
+Swires well there is one in the Musée des blindées de Saumur as well as an ARL-44 an ELC-AMX and the last working Tiger II H
+Tiny Yamato well problem is that Richard "Challenger" Cutland the douche that he is fucked over Wargaming's relationship with a couple notable museums. Wargaming has never gone into details or mentioned which museums he caused a stir with but given how we almost never have any inside the hatch of french tanks its not a stretch to say French Museums were one of those casualties.
Did the U.S ever have M47s with 105mm guns in service?
Do the Tiger 2!