The kwk42 L70 Panther gun was so good they got it to fit the m51, you never really hear that part it's Normally always it was from the AMX 13 but it was the L70 Panther kwk42 gun on the thing! Still a 7.5cm
I’ll still happily take the British 17 pounder gun over the panther gun. 163mm ap pen up to 500 meters. 256apcrmm. The panther 1 does not surpass either penetration values
It was better than the panzer one it was better than the pans or two it was equal with the panzer three and with a modest upgrade was equal with the panzer four
Great video!! Question: I think read somewhere (at some distant time in the past) that the French cannon fitted to the M50 was basically a modified cannon out of the a German Panther. Is there any truth to that?
This is true. The M50 got a modified version of the 75mm gun mounted on the French AMX-13 tank, which was itself a modified version of the 7.5cm gun from the Panther. France actually built and operated Panthers after the war, and in fact actually operated them longer than the Germans did though not in combat.
@@PitFriend1french gun SA50 was not a modification of KwK 42, they just built a new gun with same ballistic qualities. French shell was 75x597R mm and german was 75x640R mm.
During 1950 the Philippines sell there M4 sherman to Israel. Philippines have a lot of M4 sherman, M36 jackson, and hellcat, total tanks inventory of Philippines is 500+ i think. Because Philippines ha e alot of tanks during the end of the ww2 a war surplus by the americans
The USA wasn’t going to ship them back home. Very little American equipment sent overseas in WW2 returned to the USA. There was a lot everything still stateside when the war ended.
The US decided not to ship back a lot of its equipment they had in the Philippines, as it would cost too much and be a headache to organize and coordinate. So, they ended up giving a large amount of it to the Philippines, as a means to set up a defensive line, so an invasion like Japan's wouldn't happen again. Of course, the Philippines has either scrapped, sold, or stored most of its WW2 era equipment. They've started to modernize their military in the last decade or so, especially with threats like Abu Sayyaf.
The Sherman tank maybe obsolete in 1960s but the israelis considered the mobility and adaptability they change the original 76mm with 105mm french gun. The armor were also upgraded. The track is modified for better desert performance. The upgraded Sherman is perfect for ambush as its gun can depress up to -4° enable to concealing its silhouette.
The armor was in no way upgraded. Also, their original mobility wasn't that appreciated given that they changed engines twice, and they also changed the suspension and tracks.
@@michaelsuarez6901 tank documentaries are not good information sources. Veteran accounts are also not good information sources on design aspects. You can see our source list in the description, they all say generally agree on the design, and all agree the armor was left as it was.
i am no lover of the IDF or Zionism but DAMN they can recycle AFVs. I hope you have all the really interesting variations of the Israeli Sherman, like the MLRS version, and the 240mm Self-Propelled Mortar Version.
The kwk42 L70 Panther gun was so good they got it to fit the m51, you never really hear that part it's Normally always it was from the AMX 13 but it was the L70 Panther kwk42 gun on the thing! Still a 7.5cm
It wasn't a copy of the kwk 42, the designers did get inspiration from it, and basically set out to make a cannon with the same performance
I’ll still happily take the British 17 pounder gun over the panther gun. 163mm ap pen up to 500 meters. 256apcrmm. The panther 1 does not surpass either penetration values
Stop spreading misinformation
This tank was so versatile but it was the reason for Germany lost World War II
It was better than the panzer one it was better than the pans or two it was equal with the panzer three and with a modest upgrade was equal with the panzer four
Egypt tried mounting the AMX-13 system on Shermans and found out exactly what Israel discovered.
Great video!! Question: I think read somewhere (at some distant time in the past) that the French cannon fitted to the M50 was basically a modified cannon out of the a German Panther. Is there any truth to that?
This is true. The M50 got a modified version of the 75mm gun mounted on the French AMX-13 tank, which was itself a modified version of the 7.5cm gun from the Panther. France actually built and operated Panthers after the war, and in fact actually operated them longer than the Germans did though not in combat.
I read the same thing!
@@PitFriend1french gun SA50 was not a modification of KwK 42, they just built a new gun with same ballistic qualities. French shell was 75x597R mm and german was 75x640R mm.
No it’s wrong and if you hear about this know that it’s misinformation
It’s a french made french engineered gun
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Please do! Thank you!
During 1950 the Philippines sell there M4 sherman to Israel. Philippines have a lot of M4 sherman, M36 jackson, and hellcat, total tanks inventory of Philippines is 500+ i think. Because Philippines ha e alot of tanks during the end of the ww2 a war surplus by the americans
The USA wasn’t going to ship them back home. Very little American equipment sent overseas in WW2 returned to the USA. There was a lot everything still stateside when the war ended.
The US decided not to ship back a lot of its equipment they had in the Philippines, as it would cost too much and be a headache to organize and coordinate. So, they ended up giving a large amount of it to the Philippines, as a means to set up a defensive line, so an invasion like Japan's wouldn't happen again.
Of course, the Philippines has either scrapped, sold, or stored most of its WW2 era equipment. They've started to modernize their military in the last decade or so, especially with threats like Abu Sayyaf.
Very well done. Subscribed! Keep up the high-quality work.
Thank you Titus!
The Sherman tank maybe obsolete in 1960s but the israelis considered the mobility and adaptability they change the original 76mm with 105mm french gun. The armor were also upgraded. The track is modified for better desert performance. The upgraded Sherman is perfect for ambush as its gun can depress up to -4° enable to concealing its silhouette.
The armor was in no way upgraded.
Also, their original mobility wasn't that appreciated given that they changed engines twice, and they also changed the suspension and tracks.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT I watch the 6 day war in history channel. One veteran explained it.
@@michaelsuarez6901 tank documentaries are not good information sources.
Veteran accounts are also not good information sources on design aspects.
You can see our source list in the description, they all say generally agree on the design, and all agree the armor was left as it was.
How about tank historian david Fletcher of UK is it accurate??
Where does Fletcher state that the M-51 was uparmored?
Were none of these upgraded to the "Isherman" 105 mm Main Gun(?)...
The 105 mm was the M-51 which will be discussed in a separate video/articles.
Woah woah woah hold on, ain't this the sherman SA50?? I've seen it in war thunder
The French Sherman Revalorise is indeed the prototype for this, but there are numerous differences (especially with the upgrades this got in time)
Old comment, but it made me giggle upon seeing it. Oh, how War Thunder has come a long way..
Now we have the actual Israeli M-51!
What? I've never heard of the Finns proposing a gun, do you have more info on this?
We hope to make an article on it someday. Until then, you can join our Discord server and ask there, the authors should be around and help you.
Thank you for your incredible detail.
Very few if anyone else gets into the armor thickness,velocities and cannon penetration figures like you.
This is gold for me since I‘m into building israeli armour a lot recently. Thank you very much TE👌🏼
Our pleasure!
"Battlefield Las Vegas" has one of the ones that was given to the Lebanese. They posted a video of it the other day. Interesting stuff.
Thanks a lot! Was really pretty interesting. . .
Glad you liked it! Part 2 is coming out tomorrow and Part 3 on Sunday!
Keep an eye on our channel to see them!
These are the ones I've been waiting for!!!
Thanks for the shout out at the start! There’s only the “e” at the end, though. Hartke is the last name. Thanks again!
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i am no lover of the IDF or Zionism but DAMN they can recycle AFVs. I hope you have all the really interesting variations of the Israeli Sherman, like the MLRS version, and the 240mm Self-Propelled Mortar Version.
You should be, we are the "good guys" of the Middle East and are still very much a "light unto the nations" as we are called by God in the Torah.