@@SlimXG Eh….. I still don’t understand a thing, how to find it, but ok There’s still a really long thread about Gale endings on reddit, too. There is even theories, that it’s not a bug. Some people believe that a so called “Sneaky god Gale” and “Sneaky Human Gale” ending is really a thing. I can’t confirm that, but I romanced that man quite a few times. So one thing is clear, that man is smart. You can’t tell him for example, that the crown is an abomination and then convince him to use it. Not going to happen. What i did in my last play through is: Chase him down the path of forgiveness with Mystra. Throw away the “Good girl does everything for her man” habit. Embrace the power of boundaries! Say No to using the crown. Say no to Gale bomb and say no to godhood if you want the most wholesome ending you can have with him. Prepare for toothache, because you get the sweetest and happiest human Gale ever. Plus, the orb is healed. So i can safely say, if using the forgiveness path, Gale is a sure thing for a happy ending ❤️ That’s how it ended for me with the said guide on reddit. ;)
@@TGOjohnnyY6492 I originally thought about doing that in this video, but it had already grown too large. But in the case of Shadowheart and Gale avatars, they just ignore all these score systems, anyway.
32:01 I don't care if this is immersion breaking or inconsistent with the intended story progression. Human Gale bringing you up to the heavens, with the mere might and power of true love is the most cheesiest of ways to end a campaign, AND I'M ALL IN FOR THAT SORT OF STUFF BAYBEE!!!!!111
The fun thing about being a Gale fan is that the Gale 18+ subreddit had already mapped and deduced most of this point system months ago 😭😭😭Everyone there is crazy
If I remember correctly, someone managed to crack the code to “ultimate” gale, where he’s a teacher and is happy but after the party he takes your hand and ascends with you.
8:02 Gale: "When the time comes for the orb to fulfil its purpose, I will think of only one thing. Your face. Nothing else will matter." Shadowheart: *starts mogging*
31:58 The top dialogue is (seemingly unintentionally) hilarious. That's the equivalent of your ex asking if you can get back together, and you responding "yes, but only after the heat death of the universe."
For some reason this sparked an image of PC and Nameless one (from PS:T) chilling in the middle of Blood war complaining about their love interests to each other like two married geezer over a mug of beer and that is now my head canon ending.
@@marcinkrz3140 "Sooooo....Who were you involved with?" "Well in my past life I manipulated a young woman into being so infatuated with me that she willingly died to become an ethereal lookout in a fortress sculpted from my pure regrets. Then in my most recent life a bitchy Tiefling with a funky accent told me she got off on my formaldehyde stench and bit me several times before we made out. While at the same time a succubus was seemingly interested in me and promised to locate me in the Blood War even if it took a millennium." ".......And I thought the wizard with a god complex was rough good god."
One of these days I will find the courage (ambition?) to have Gale ascend... But up until now I have loved this quirky scholar too much to encourage him
@@myplace4play He was in my party in my first playthrough, but I botched his scene in Act 1 so I never got very invested... I only started to really love him once I decided to romance him in my Honour mode.
@@lavaplanet4749 The one where he teaches you to channel the Weave, I just cut it off halfway through which changes how he responds to you in his scenes down the line
The character I played when I romanced him thought that the gods were all assholes, so she said “fuck you, you’re not dying for Mystra’s forgiveness, I won’t let you” then in act 3 it was “dude becoming god is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard, and even if you succeeded you’d be an asshole just like them. You’re fine as is, just ask her to fix your chest nuke and give her the crown” Convincing him not to ascend was remarkably simple, then he and my character got married, easy peasy. I’ve found that most people get dumped for the crown because they didn’t spray bottle him like a cat and tell him no every time he brought it up.
I wonder how many of these bugs they will fix in Patch 7. But wow, so many deeply embedded VA lines, that no one or nearly no one will ever hear. Impressive Larian.
Since they did specifically address the bug about Gale's name, they may have other such fixes in store. And perhaps the video can bring some of them to their attention, if they didn't already know 😏
@@SlimXG with the number of Diologe options and Variences I kind of wondered home many diologe options would be lost to bugs with out anyone knowing, but with people digging through the scripting like you hopefully Larian can fix
13:53 This single ambition line is further proof that this game is our best example of what the power of appropriately compensated writers and voice actors can do.
Agreed. I always feel guilty padding a video with long stretches of unedited footage straight from the game, but these hidden lines were fun to find (and listen to), so I wanted to share them.
Totally agree. I absolutely adore this whole bit of dialogue. What this game’s dialogue does better than any other I’ve experienced is to genuinely make you believe the characters. They make it hard not to feel something, whether positive or negative while playing. These lines are an excellent example though I’m saddened to know these in particular can’t be achieved through normal play.
@@stephnicole3078 Well, some of them can be seen and some can't. That particular exchange with Lorroakan, mentioned in the original comment, can be accessed with the proper choices.
@@SlimXG Thanks for the reply! Starting my new playthrough now for patch 7. Apparently I need to rewatch that part so I can try get those lines in my playthrough then.
30:46 actually made me laugh so hard i almost cried, seriously, even more so than the 2nd one. Imagine after all that adventuring and all the hours of spending time together and at the end of the game in its epilogue, all he hits you with is this, and I have to imagine at least ONE player had the unfortunate time of having this bug occur in their first playthrough.
For a character that has so little to do with the actual story, Tara has such an impact I find. (Spoiler for epilogue when Gale dies) In my first playthrough I totally missed Raphael in Act 3 and never talked Gale out of the Crown, so naturally, Gale died. During the epilogue, when Tara asked me to curl up in my lap as she had done with Gale before, I burst out crying.
I think it's really cool peeking behind the curtain and looking at all the content that was originally planned, although maybe a little depressing seeing all the cool stuff we didn't get.
I always wondered why games don't use relational databases with their file system engines for their save games. Very cool to see that BG3 seems to use something like it
Yes! I have been "patiently" waiting for this! I have never had Gale kill himself or become a god yet it always seemed that so many dialogue scenes were so different. Now I know why! This was incredible and you clearly put a lot of hard work into it! That being said, I would love more content that is "unaccessible." Cut or never actually made stuff is so fascinating! Thank you so much for this!
Thanks for explaining the letters. I did a branch off where I had Gale explode at the final Netherbrain fight to see what would happen and was really sad when I got his letter that only talked about his mother even though my approval with him was at 100. I suppose you could argue that making him explode took his approval of me down to 0, thus the dismissive letter, but knowing that it was a bug and he should have mentioned our friendship makes that ending hurt less. I really enjoy these code deep dives. Thanks for all the time you take going through the options.
you are literally my hero i have been trying to crack this but do not have the motivation or skills like you...nobel prize of some sort must be awarded
There's a third option I always convince Gale to make a mends with Mystra and seek her forgiveness and his end game is where he becomes a mentor for wizards/Sorcerers in training
Thanks for the amazing content! I remember how it took me to say something in the Sorcerous Sundries Vault to explain to him that he doesn't need a godhood, to which he responded not so positively (I even saw disapproval from him), but in the end he chose the right thing and became a teacher in Waterdeep. I expected Gale to have far more to his "score" than Shadowheart, but I didn't expect it to be so big! Maybe my favorite princess isn't "the overworked one" after all...
Yeah, when I first started looking into Gale, I saw that single "score" and thought, well, that's simpler than Shadowheart, since she has a bunch of different points. Welp . .
@@SlimXG now, thinking about that, I can add that if you play as Origin Gale, you can transform into mindflayer and then Mystra would be able to restore your soul. So, perhaps that one dialogue was an attempt to implement Origin-specific decision for Gale as a companion?
There's even still a check during the epilogue for the flag from "confronting" Mystra, even if you have Gale as a companion. When that scene currently only happens if you're playing as origin Gale. So it's possible. (If you flip that confront flag to true for companion Gale, the scene during the epilogue party of him floating down in a beam of blue light happens, but with no Gale, because he's dead. So it's just a dramatic spotlight on nothing . .)
Thanks for making these videos explaining hidden scores in the game. I know it must be a lot of work. But it's really interesting, not only for people to make better decisions in the game, but also get a little peek at what goes on behind the scenes in game development. As for your question regarding dialogue and things that are far outside of normal gameplay, I'm happy to see it all. It's so cool.
I like this content. I was starting to get frustrated with the constant click bait titles like "RARE DIALOGUE!!" and it's not rare or hard to get at all. Good job.
Just found your channel! I've adored Gale the most ever since first seeing that "Slap the hand." dialogue option a year ago, but I had NO idea there was so much complexity layered into his crown choice! Thank you for taking the time to do these breakdowns; I also loved your Shadowheart videos! I've subbed and definitely hope you do more of these!
Looking forward to this. Always enjoy your dives into the decision making trees of the characters. Edit to add - Definitely fun to see deeply hidden and unused dialogue.
I love seeing the normally impossible-to-see content. Without vids like these there'd be no other way to find or see them for ourselves. As it is I was really curious about how the death flags worked and couldn't find anyone else talking about them before this. Nice video!
I played though one where I romanced Gale, but I was roleplaying as being kind of defensive and nervous about him going back to Mystra, so I pushed him away from the idea of making up with her, but also pushed him away from dying (because I loved him) or using the crown (because it's insane). Dialogue indicated I had pretty clearly convinced him to give up on the crown, but when we got to the top of the upper city, he still had his dialogue about claiming it. Passed the DC30 check to talk him out of it one last time, he assures me he's totally over it, we beat the brain, and in the epilogue he went and claimed the crown anyway, became a jerk god and ghosted me for six months. So because of these weird bugs, my romance with Gale ended with him being a complete betraying ass.
I have specifically been wondering why Gale went god on my Shadowheart Origin run and you’ve given me the scripts to pinpoint how! I feel like this video was made specifically for me, thank you so much for your work!!
Me, a Gale girlie, settling in to see some unseen romance dialogue from my favourite wizard 🍿 But really this is some interesting stuff!! I love seeing all these hidden and cut lines and their triggers.
I’ve only done one 200 hour playthrough. And my endings were very cursed. I had so many bugged quests, particularly from killing Gortash early. Now I know I even had bugged Gale at the “marvellous party” and that really is just a cherry on top
I had to stop less than halfway through bc I've only finished one campaign (platonic, let Gale blow up) and my next campaign is in Act 2, romancing Gale, and aiming for the ascension ending, so I want to see a lot of this stuff blind. But I'm once again mindblown at all the complicated mechanics, scores, and flags that go beyond just the visible approval system. And in some cases they had the same dialogue but just did two slightly different takes depending on Gale's frame of mind? I love Larian so much for the effort they put into this
Because those two different versions of the line have exactly the same text in the dialogue file, I had glossed over it while looking for all the different flag changes. But then I noticed that one version had a "devnote" with directions for how to read the line, and the other one didn't. I thought, that doesn't mean it's actually two different line readings, does it? But checked it just in case, and sure enough . .
i feel like gale never does what you want him to do, want him to take the crown, nah he’s not feeling it. want him to leave the crown, “fuck ur opinion im gonna be a god” -gale probably
Impressive research and a very well put together video, despite Larian's best efforts to make it as convoluted as possible. You just gained a new subscriber. I can't wait to see your future content!
Interesting- I had figured out my own paths to trigger those letters, and still missed two of them (so thank you for bringing those to my attention!), and it was different to what you found. Same with one or two uncommon lines. I had been struggling to trigger some of the dialogue and wasn't sure why, because I'm just experimenting with dialogue combinations and endgame results and can't look at the code, so this is incredibly helpful. Thanks so much! Hopefully more than just his last name dialogue will be fixed in patch 7 🤞🏻 💜✨
Romancing Gale made it pretty easy for me to convince him not to go for the crown or blow himself up, but in my current playthrough I was getting a little nervous as I just reached Act 3 a little bit ago and have been putting off his personal quest. So this will be tremendously helpful as always, thank you. This video also made me appreciate Tim Downie’s voice work even more, if that was possible. All of the VAs really were the perfect fit for their roles.
@@SlimXG Funny, I'm kind of the opposite myself. On my first playthrough I kinda liked Gale, but when I had to restart my save from the beginning I began to dislike him. Maybe it was just that "new game honeymoon"-phase wearing off and me taking a more critical look at the characters, plus me playing a sorcerer so Gale felt rather redundant to keep around.
First playthrough i unknowingly pushed him towards the crown. Somehow never got the boat scene even though i was romancing him. Savescummed the fuck out if that DC30 persuasion check to tell him NOT to go for the crown obly for him to immediately ditch me 😂😭 i was so mad bc i never encouraged him to go for it! I loaded a save and withheld the book initially and told him to seek mystras forgiveness. Got the sweet version of the boat scene and the professor ending 💜
wonderful video and we appreciate the hard work you pun in to show us so much of what this game has to offer one critique: because there's so much numbers, code, and nerd talk (minus the ones from Gale), a good diagram/bullet points on how the dialog is achieved would be much appreciated i.e. a expansion on the 'Goal Score' to each of the choices to be made
That was my original plan, but it was just becoming too complex for the video, so I tried to just cover specific outcomes. It would really take a text post with diagrams and whatnot to show it all off properly.
"If you do or don't please let me know in the comments" Yes, especially if it involves Minthara. Yes I'm still on that hill, yes I'm still sad she doesn't have more publicly available. (I don't even think she's necessarily the best romance or companion, just that she has way, way more potential that seems to have been not applied.)
She's definitely on the list of characters to explore for a future companion(s) video. Though there doesn't appear to be much in the way of that same kind of unfinished dialogue, like the Gale transformation option.
This is great! I love the video. I could have sworn Gale definitely has some different dialogue in act 2 when you dont dissuade him enough, at least in a romance- I accidentally pushed him towards death and he said very depressing things, didnt say the thing where he thanks you for talking him down the morning after and said something morose about his "own self inflicted death" instead. That said, thanks so much for making this video. Its very good to show us all these technical things- hes so complicated. Its a really good video
Yeah, at pretty much every level, there are more dialogue changes if you're romancing him. Weirdly, the conversation right after spending the night under the stars with him in Act 2 changes between 0 and 1 death score if you didn't start a romance with him, but is the same either way if you did. I originally had that in the video, but trimmed it for time.
Absolutely loving these videos! Thanks for showing a bunch of us stuff we won't ever see otherwise, I truly love knowing the mechanics behind npc interactions
On my first Honor mode run (which succeeded) I was playing as Origin Karlach and romanced Gale. I didn't really plan for anything specific, wasn't even sure how the epilogue would look like since my previous runs were done before the epilogue was a thing. In the end I managed to heal Karlach by turning her into a god alongsside Gale, which was something I didn't even know was possible. This video has managed to even further impress me, because it looks like I had to pick a lot of very specific options for this to work out.
YESSSS I WAS HOPING FOR MORE VIDS LIKE THIS!!! It's so interesting to have the code that determines certain story outcomes laid out simply, makes it a lot easier to keep track of your decision making when you replay the game to get all the endings lol
It's funny that, of the few Patch 7 fixes that Larian has announced, the janky fade to black at the end of the Karlach in hell scene is one of them. That quick glimpse of the characters standing there after the cutscene was all I needed to find it hahah.
Amazing! I’d love to see more of these deep-dives, flag discussions, and hidden/blocked/unfinished things! Thank you for doing the hard work and sharing it with us!!!
OMG Shadowheart's system was a piece of cake compared to this mess 😂 Thank you so much for explaining it ! Gale was rarely in my party in my first run, I did take him to Sorcerous Sundries and gave him the book to read and went to see Mystra tho. But I kept a neutral approach concerning the crown and a firm no way one concerning the blowing up. I was a bit sad when I realized at the end there was no way to deter him from godhood. So he became a bitchy god and I hated it. I'm now playing origin Shadowheart and romancing him so hopefully I can get it right this time 😅
@@SlimXG Yep, I took notes ! I tried in my first run to let the characters decide their fate freely. Went really well except for him. This boy needs a clear STOP IT to remain nice apparently 😅
once again knocked it out of the park with an insane level of intelligent detail and analysis of bg3 background mechanics no one has delved into, paired with well timed comedy bits. Bravo Maestro!
Hope yont burn yourself out chasing the youtube algorithm. Your already a true innovator in these videogame sciences vids. Be true to your methodical style and witty humour and youll go far in any context with your inspired works with utmost self-satisfaction cap! @@SlimXG
Now learning about these flags is interesting, but I think a better question is...knowing all of this, does this still work if you do Lae'zel origin with Gale romance, with pushing him towards godhood...can he ascend Lae'zel if you correctly check all the right options? Because I have never seen anyone do that yet and the idea of Lae'zel becoming a proper god over Vlaakith is hilarious.
In my first playthrough I wondered why Gale couldn't just randomly decided to be become a god at the end only to be utterly destroyed by Mystra. Now I know it was due to basically ignoring him the entire game :) Thank you for answer.
YAYYYYYY I've been so looking forward to this!! Thank you so much! I love this type of stuff so much but I'm awful at parsing it on my own so your explanations are perfect. Thanks so much for your research into this!
This is so fascinating! I knew about the tags and point system but when I tried to trigger them naturally, it was so much more complicated I gave up on it. I haven't even heard some of these lines at all!
How the actual "pushing" works in the script is what I think many people were missing, even those that had investigated the parsed dialogue files. I figured I could add something to the discussion hahah.
With you being able to pick out bugs and what caused them I'm surprised you're not hired to help fix them too lol Thanks for your time delving into this kinda thing! It's super fascinating on both a coding and story front
Didn’t realize there was such a complex system for Gale😀 I feel like I got hella lucky with both of my finished playthroughs! My first one I somehow easily got normal professor Gale at the end,, and my second one where I romanced him ended the same way as well,, lmao I was desperate for him to not blow up or become a god in both playthroughs,, Whenever I talked to him I think about the the meme that goes: “YOU’RE NOT ASCENDING TO GODHOOD YOU’RE JUST DEHYDRATED!!” Awesome video!! Thank your for making this☺️
Damn, for a game like Baldur's Gate 3, I did not expect the endings to be such a mess. I'm impressed with what you managed to dig up. Also, I love seeing hidden/unreachable/cut content, so please, more of that!
On my honor run, I tried to make Laezel a goddess - what better way to really say FU to Vlaakith? Alas, she ended up becoming a mind flayer to save Orpheus, and then _while_astral_projecting_ to the epilogue, she just had to eat Astarion's brain before I talked to Gale... Damn you honor mode! Anyways, with patch 7 I'll try again, so you've got a couple months to try such a crazy thing if you need more crazy ideas :)
@@robjohnson3095 Hah, most bugs aren't as interesting as stuff like human Gale ascending to the heavens (and a lot of bugs have been fixed, by this point). I do take note of any oddities I stumble onto, though I've been in the habit of just grouping them in with whatever content they're related to. But I'm certainly always open to video ideas. Despite the technical age of this channel, I'm still very new to trying to make videos people actually wanna watch. Every video is an experiment and a learning experience hahah.
Oh my god thank you!!!! I knew he had to have a point score like this the night song points but I couldn’t find anyone to look into it for me. Ugh, I really appreciate this!! ♥️ I’m only halfway through the video so I might be back to comment again, I’m so excited.
@@SlimXGI adore the wizard, and I so firmly walk the wire every time to have him not become a god, but also not kiss musty Mystra’s ass bc fuck her lol. It is very stressful but I am very stubborn and I like my husband to feel content and have his orb tattoo at the epilogue 🤣 Anyways, this is so very appreciated, I’ve been feeling like pepe Silvia mode about this since the one play through I failed and got god Gale(traumatizing). And I love seeing the unseeable content! Firmly sat for more Gale/bg3 content!
I'd love it if you could look into the mechanism of whether Karlach lives or dies if you're not there for her at the end, like if you leave with Lae'zel before her scene. I just did a run romancing Lae'zel and we left on the dragons at the end, which lead to Karlach burning up on the dock. Yet I keep hearing that there's a way to get her to decide to live, even if you aren't there to tell her to.
I tested the scenario and she did die. Looking at the file for that scene, it checks for a big list of situations where the avatar is not present (including leaving with Lae'zel) and all of them point to the same version of the scene. The only way for her to not blow up, even if the avatar is present, is to talk her into going to Avernus. So with no avatar there, who would do that?
Damn, this video is incredibly cool, thank you for your work in making it. That being said, it kinda sucks that some of this content is bugged and no one ever noticed until the dataminers realised that. These will never be fixed, I feel like.
Ya never know. Larian already specifically mentioned fixing the "Dekarios" dialogue in Patch 7, so it's possible that some other ones may be fixed, as well. A few simple adjustments to flags would fix all of the bugs that I talked about at the end of this video.
oh wow, his endings are buggy as hell! he became a god in one of my playthroughs even though i never encouraged it, it really surprised me. i can't remember my exact path to that point but nice to know i'm not the only one accidentally getting god gale haha
I am way too tired to understand half of this (it is very late), but it was still interesting. Those letters are heartbreaking, especially the ones written from the Netherbrain. I don't like Gale, he gets on my nerves, but I could never do that to him. We are ride or die in this party
this is very interesting stuff! with the minimal (and very rough) coding experience I have, I've sometimes mixed up what variables go where or failed to account for all the places they can/should be changed, so I can definitely see how this sort of thing happens, especially with how complex this game is.
Oh, absolutely. I even felt a bit bad for saying the code for the letters is, "a mess" because I know how much work is involved. With how complex all the scripts are in this game, it's amazing how much goes *right*
I definitely want to see the impossible/unfinished content. And as always, another great vid! Larian just released anniversary statistics that said only 34 people had lae’zel kill herself after Vlaakith rejects her ascension on an origin playthrough. Could you look into what makes that possible?
In fact, I already did! It appears that Vlaakith will reject your ascension (while you're still on the dock) if you are either a filthy ghaik or if you are on the Vlaakith loyal path but didn't kill Orpheus. A little less confident on that second one, since it's more jumbled in the file. And if that happens, Lae'zel has the option to stab herself. I could just create a game as Lae'zel and test it to be sure, though I still haven't gotten around to installing the Debug Book mod, so I gotta get from the nautiloid to the dock the "normal" way, which still took me around an hour and a half when I did it with Karlach just to show a few seconds of her epilogue romance scene with Gale -_-
amazing work and fantastic channel. you clearly work so hard on these and i hope you get the views you deserve! i will watch literally anything you dig up from this game!
Literally anything? Well that'd open up a lot of possibilities . . I could make a video all about the "LOW_CazadorsPalace_RitualRoom_State_CazadorIsShirtless" flag
It's crazy how I accidentally hit all the right buttons to push Gale away from wanting to get the crown towards the end of the game. Gale always sounded a BIT too power hungry every time he talked about the crown so I just kept saying "Bro chill out" 😂
3:43 I feel the key word is alone, arguably since he has the sense that his redemption is in his hands. The others do not speak of consequence, or of consequences not of his control. This I think also works with the line which is missing afterwards, since the choice then speaks of a consequence which Gale has control over. His death would be a choice he makes specifically to destroy the Absolute, not in hopes for any forgiveness or the better good. Also irony that the bugs make it that Gale, God of Ambition, had so much ambition to woo his former lover that he brought her to the heavens.
That's at least the third time someone has made a "How It's Made" reference in the comments of my videos. I dunno how I'm supposed to feel about this . . 🤔
The part talking about gale's unvoiced dialogue reminds me of something I found in-game. It was in an older patch, so I don't know if it's still in the game, but it's that about that one gnome you can save by poisoning beer in the grymforge. Usually he doesn't show up anymore after you save him, but if you leave him to save him for the very last, then he'll actually show up at the myconid colony. I think I had to choose a specific option that only shows up after you saved all the other gnomes (killed Nere, etc). When you talk to him at the myconid colony, he has unvoiced dialogue thanking you for it. Dunno if he is any different from the other gnomes in any other way, IIRC I think he would aggro to you stealing from the colony, unlike the other gnomes I think. I know it has nothing to do with this video, but I don't know any other place that would care about this factoid lol.
Yeah, it seems that if you wait until taking care of Nere and freeing the other deep gnomes before helping Skickpit, you have the option to tell him to join the others. At least in the current version of the game, his dialogue plays properly, voice and all, if you talk to him in the myconid colony. And random factoids are what I'm all about!
Hahah that's just a tag that the character is, well, really Karlach. The "REALLY" part of those tags usually comes into play only when it's used with a racial tag and there's a different outcome when disguised as that race.
Loved seeing the rare dialogue choices as well as the impossible ones. Like I’ve never entered the archives without going Through the tower first even though I know you can go through the office in sorcerer sun dries. It just never seemed worth going that way since it’s likely to make the whole store hostile so I’d probably never see the other dialogue scenes. I’m on my 3rd playthrough now doing my honor mode run and romancing Gale so it’s interesting to see how some things end up on how you approach the boat scene before/after talking to mystra. I went before so I guess I missed some dialogue. I had no idea Gale could explode himself and fail to become a god. Some of those odd situations were quite funny to see from just going to Avernus. Very good though video, Inlovr hearing about how the mechanics work for the companions.
I'm into Shadowheart, so i haven't romance Gale even once. But this "he didn't need this stupid crown"ending so fanny. I want to see it in game XD Thanks for video, at last i knew why he always end as annoying motivation speaker on playthrough
I didn't like Gale at first, but he grew on me. And with this video as a guide, you can turn him into whatever you want, from a bomb to a marvellous party enjoyer
All researched and recorded on Patch 6, version 4.1.1.5022896. I'll put updates, here, for any significant changes once Patch 7 hits.
@@SlimXG Eh….. I still don’t understand a thing, how to find it, but ok
There’s still a really long thread about Gale endings on reddit, too. There is even theories, that it’s not a bug. Some people believe that a so called “Sneaky god Gale” and “Sneaky Human Gale” ending is really a thing.
I can’t confirm that, but I romanced that man quite a few times. So one thing is clear, that man is smart. You can’t tell him for example, that the crown is an abomination and then convince him to use it. Not going to happen.
What i did in my last play through is: Chase him down the path of forgiveness with Mystra. Throw away the “Good girl does everything for her man” habit. Embrace the power of boundaries! Say No to using the crown. Say no to Gale bomb and say no to godhood if you want the most wholesome ending you can have with him. Prepare for toothache, because you get the sweetest and happiest human Gale ever. Plus, the orb is healed. So i can safely say, if using the forgiveness path, Gale is a sure thing for a happy ending ❤️
That’s how it ended for me with the said guide on reddit. ;)
Btw, will you potentially explore what changes between companion and "avatar" state for the character?
@@TGOjohnnyY6492 I originally thought about doing that in this video, but it had already grown too large. But in the case of Shadowheart and Gale avatars, they just ignore all these score systems, anyway.
@@SlimXG Yeah, I guessed as much =D
Any chance of making a mod to flag these dialog options in game? You could do this with all the companions with the helpful icons used in your videos.
Gale was so jealous of Karlach that he became a god from sheer willpower alone and forcibly took you to his realm. What a dick.
Why jealous of Karlach?
This comment! I can't breathe!
my favorite bugged ending now lmao
AMBITION INDEED HAHAHAHA
32:01 I don't care if this is immersion breaking or inconsistent with the intended story progression. Human Gale bringing you up to the heavens, with the mere might and power of true love is the most cheesiest of ways to end a campaign, AND I'M ALL IN FOR THAT SORT OF STUFF BAYBEE!!!!!111
The mere power of A M B I T I O N
He's 12 lvl wizard, can buy Plane Shift from a Genie. God, shmod, reach heaven by summoning a taxi-angel!
The fun thing about being a Gale fan is that the Gale 18+ subreddit had already mapped and deduced most of this point system months ago 😭😭😭Everyone there is crazy
If I remember correctly, someone managed to crack the code to “ultimate” gale, where he’s a teacher and is happy but after the party he takes your hand and ascends with you.
wait he is happy but still ascend?? what????@aquadraws5833
@@loopcell yeah, they call it the sneaky human/ ultimate gale I think.
8:02
Gale: "When the time comes for the orb to fulfil its purpose, I will think of only one thing. Your face. Nothing else will matter."
Shadowheart: *starts mogging*
Gale saying, "Your face." there always makes me laugh, when it cuts to Shadowheart
31:58 The top dialogue is (seemingly unintentionally) hilarious. That's the equivalent of your ex asking if you can get back together, and you responding "yes, but only after the heat death of the universe."
So you're saying there's a chance
For some reason this sparked an image of PC and Nameless one (from PS:T) chilling in the middle of Blood war complaining about their love interests to each other like two married geezer over a mug of beer and that is now my head canon ending.
@@marcinkrz3140 "Sooooo....Who were you involved with?"
"Well in my past life I manipulated a young woman into being so infatuated with me that she willingly died to become an ethereal lookout in a fortress sculpted from my pure regrets. Then in my most recent life a bitchy Tiefling with a funky accent told me she got off on my formaldehyde stench and bit me several times before we made out. While at the same time a succubus was seemingly interested in me and promised to locate me in the Blood War even if it took a millennium."
".......And I thought the wizard with a god complex was rough good god."
I love when you include impossible to see organically content in these videos so I’m on the side of continuing to do so
One of these days I will find the courage (ambition?) to have Gale ascend... But up until now I have loved this quirky scholar too much to encourage him
Accidently let him ascend on my first playthrough without realizing it until epilogue... probably the reason i don't like Gale as much as he deserves
@@myplace4play He was in my party in my first playthrough, but I botched his scene in Act 1 so I never got very invested... I only started to really love him once I decided to romance him in my Honour mode.
i let him, just to spite mystra lmao
@@FengNirotharwhich scene, how did you botch it?
@@lavaplanet4749 The one where he teaches you to channel the Weave, I just cut it off halfway through which changes how he responds to you in his scenes down the line
The character I played when I romanced him thought that the gods were all assholes, so she said “fuck you, you’re not dying for Mystra’s forgiveness, I won’t let you” then in act 3 it was “dude becoming god is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard, and even if you succeeded you’d be an asshole just like them. You’re fine as is, just ask her to fix your chest nuke and give her the crown”
Convincing him not to ascend was remarkably simple, then he and my character got married, easy peasy.
I’ve found that most people get dumped for the crown because they didn’t spray bottle him like a cat and tell him no every time he brought it up.
I wonder how many of these bugs they will fix in Patch 7. But wow, so many deeply embedded VA lines, that no one or nearly no one will ever hear. Impressive Larian.
Since they did specifically address the bug about Gale's name, they may have other such fixes in store. And perhaps the video can bring some of them to their attention, if they didn't already know 😏
@@SlimXG with the number of Diologe options and Variences I kind of wondered home many diologe options would be lost to bugs with out anyone knowing, but with people digging through the scripting like you hopefully Larian can fix
13:53 This single ambition line is further proof that this game is our best example of what the power of appropriately compensated writers and voice actors can do.
Agreed. I always feel guilty padding a video with long stretches of unedited footage straight from the game, but these hidden lines were fun to find (and listen to), so I wanted to share them.
Totally agree. I absolutely adore this whole bit of dialogue. What this game’s dialogue does better than any other I’ve experienced is to genuinely make you believe the characters. They make it hard not to feel something, whether positive or negative while playing. These lines are an excellent example though I’m saddened to know these in particular can’t be achieved through normal play.
@@stephnicole3078 Well, some of them can be seen and some can't. That particular exchange with Lorroakan, mentioned in the original comment, can be accessed with the proper choices.
@@SlimXG Thanks for the reply! Starting my new playthrough now for patch 7. Apparently I need to rewatch that part so I can try get those lines in my playthrough then.
@@stephnicole3078 You might not *want* to make the choices that lead to that dialogue, but it is an option hahah.
30:46 actually made me laugh so hard i almost cried, seriously, even more so than the 2nd one.
Imagine after all that adventuring and all the hours of spending time together and at the end of the game in its epilogue, all he hits you with is this, and I have to imagine at least ONE player had the unfortunate time of having this bug occur in their first playthrough.
Gale turning and walking away after saying it especially made me laugh, which is why I left in so much footage of it.
Yep, knowing more about the dialogues that are in the game but not trigerable is a thing that I want to see more.
Made Gale a god once. Then I heard what Tara had to say.
I'll never let Gale ascend again.
For a character that has so little to do with the actual story, Tara has such an impact I find.
(Spoiler for epilogue when Gale dies)
In my first playthrough I totally missed Raphael in Act 3 and never talked Gale out of the Crown, so naturally, Gale died. During the epilogue, when Tara asked me to curl up in my lap as she had done with Gale before, I burst out crying.
@@LeoTheDarkAngel :(
Play Gale Origin, Tara takes a bigger role.
I'm picturing the giant flowchart you must have had to make to create this video. impressive. thanks for putting the work in
Hahah yes, that's pretty much spot-on. Much of the time spent on this video was mapping out all the score changes. I appreciate you appreciating it.
I think it's really cool peeking behind the curtain and looking at all the content that was originally planned, although maybe a little depressing seeing all the cool stuff we didn't get.
I love seeing cut dialogue especially for something so significant
Marvellous party, isn't it?
Marvelous party, isn't it?
Marvelous party, isnt it?
Marvellous party, isn't it?
Marvelous party, isn't it?
Marvellous party, isn’t it?
Romanced Gale is such a sweetheart.
I always wondered why games don't use relational databases with their file system engines for their save games. Very cool to see that BG3 seems to use something like it
Yes! I have been "patiently" waiting for this! I have never had Gale kill himself or become a god yet it always seemed that so many dialogue scenes were so different. Now I know why! This was incredible and you clearly put a lot of hard work into it! That being said, I would love more content that is "unaccessible." Cut or never actually made stuff is so fascinating! Thank you so much for this!
„Patiently.“
Love the quote marks. ;D
@@ArDeeMee lol. It was very accurate!
Thanks for explaining the letters. I did a branch off where I had Gale explode at the final Netherbrain fight to see what would happen and was really sad when I got his letter that only talked about his mother even though my approval with him was at 100. I suppose you could argue that making him explode took his approval of me down to 0, thus the dismissive letter, but knowing that it was a bug and he should have mentioned our friendship makes that ending hurt less.
I really enjoy these code deep dives. Thanks for all the time you take going through the options.
And thank you for the time you take to watch the videos
you are literally my hero i have been trying to crack this but do not have the motivation or skills like you...nobel prize of some sort must be awarded
Nobel Prize for Obsessive Nerdiness?
There's a third option I always convince Gale to make a mends with Mystra and seek her forgiveness and his end game is where he becomes a mentor for wizards/Sorcerers in training
5:39 2 voiceover recordings for the same dialogue just blew my mind!
My mind was just as blown!
Thanks for the amazing content!
I remember how it took me to say something in the Sorcerous Sundries Vault to explain to him that he doesn't need a godhood, to which he responded not so positively (I even saw disapproval from him), but in the end he chose the right thing and became a teacher in Waterdeep.
I expected Gale to have far more to his "score" than Shadowheart, but I didn't expect it to be so big!
Maybe my favorite princess isn't "the overworked one" after all...
Yeah, when I first started looking into Gale, I saw that single "score" and thought, well, that's simpler than Shadowheart, since she has a bunch of different points. Welp . .
@@SlimXG now, thinking about that, I can add that if you play as Origin Gale, you can transform into mindflayer and then Mystra would be able to restore your soul. So, perhaps that one dialogue was an attempt to implement Origin-specific decision for Gale as a companion?
There's even still a check during the epilogue for the flag from "confronting" Mystra, even if you have Gale as a companion. When that scene currently only happens if you're playing as origin Gale. So it's possible.
(If you flip that confront flag to true for companion Gale, the scene during the epilogue party of him floating down in a beam of blue light happens, but with no Gale, because he's dead. So it's just a dramatic spotlight on nothing . .)
Thanks for making these videos explaining hidden scores in the game. I know it must be a lot of work. But it's really interesting, not only for people to make better decisions in the game, but also get a little peek at what goes on behind the scenes in game development. As for your question regarding dialogue and things that are far outside of normal gameplay, I'm happy to see it all. It's so cool.
I like this content.
I was starting to get frustrated with the constant click bait titles like "RARE DIALOGUE!!" and it's not rare or hard to get at all.
Good job.
Just found your channel! I've adored Gale the most ever since first seeing that "Slap the hand." dialogue option a year ago, but I had NO idea there was so much complexity layered into his crown choice! Thank you for taking the time to do these breakdowns; I also loved your Shadowheart videos! I've subbed and definitely hope you do more of these!
Thank you! I've got a variety of videos in the works, so I hope at least one of them makes the sub feel worth it hahah.
Looking forward to this. Always enjoy your dives into the decision making trees of the characters.
Edit to add - Definitely fun to see deeply hidden and unused dialogue.
I love seeing the normally impossible-to-see content. Without vids like these there'd be no other way to find or see them for ourselves. As it is I was really curious about how the death flags worked and couldn't find anyone else talking about them before this. Nice video!
I played though one where I romanced Gale, but I was roleplaying as being kind of defensive and nervous about him going back to Mystra, so I pushed him away from the idea of making up with her, but also pushed him away from dying (because I loved him) or using the crown (because it's insane). Dialogue indicated I had pretty clearly convinced him to give up on the crown, but when we got to the top of the upper city, he still had his dialogue about claiming it. Passed the DC30 check to talk him out of it one last time, he assures me he's totally over it, we beat the brain, and in the epilogue he went and claimed the crown anyway, became a jerk god and ghosted me for six months.
So because of these weird bugs, my romance with Gale ended with him being a complete betraying ass.
I have specifically been wondering why Gale went god on my Shadowheart Origin run and you’ve given me the scripts to pinpoint how! I feel like this video was made specifically for me, thank you so much for your work!!
It WAS made specifically for you! I'm glad you watched it.
those little bug icon/graphics are so cute wth
Me, a Gale girlie, settling in to see some unseen romance dialogue from my favourite wizard 🍿
But really this is some interesting stuff!! I love seeing all these hidden and cut lines and their triggers.
gale girlies unite 💜💜💜
I’ve only done one 200 hour playthrough. And my endings were very cursed. I had so many bugged quests, particularly from killing Gortash early.
Now I know I even had bugged Gale at the “marvellous party” and that really is just a cherry on top
I had to stop less than halfway through bc I've only finished one campaign (platonic, let Gale blow up) and my next campaign is in Act 2, romancing Gale, and aiming for the ascension ending, so I want to see a lot of this stuff blind. But I'm once again mindblown at all the complicated mechanics, scores, and flags that go beyond just the visible approval system. And in some cases they had the same dialogue but just did two slightly different takes depending on Gale's frame of mind? I love Larian so much for the effort they put into this
Because those two different versions of the line have exactly the same text in the dialogue file, I had glossed over it while looking for all the different flag changes. But then I noticed that one version had a "devnote" with directions for how to read the line, and the other one didn't. I thought, that doesn't mean it's actually two different line readings, does it? But checked it just in case, and sure enough . .
i feel like gale never does what you want him to do, want him to take the crown, nah he’s not feeling it. want him to leave the crown, “fuck ur opinion im gonna be a god” -gale probably
Never say a word about the crown, "I stand here on the precipice of divinity - a course you encouraged me to pursue, I might add"
"Marvellous video, isn't it?" - Gale
Yes I love seeing all the inaccessible dialogue hidden deep in the layers of code bc it gives insight into their whole creative process
Impressive research and a very well put together video, despite Larian's best efforts to make it as convoluted as possible. You just gained a new subscriber. I can't wait to see your future content!
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'll see what other convoluted stuff I can come up with.
Interesting- I had figured out my own paths to trigger those letters, and still missed two of them (so thank you for bringing those to my attention!), and it was different to what you found. Same with one or two uncommon lines.
I had been struggling to trigger some of the dialogue and wasn't sure why, because I'm just experimenting with dialogue combinations and endgame results and can't look at the code, so this is incredibly helpful. Thanks so much! Hopefully more than just his last name dialogue will be fixed in patch 7 🤞🏻 💜✨
Romancing Gale made it pretty easy for me to convince him not to go for the crown or blow himself up, but in my current playthrough I was getting a little nervous as I just reached Act 3 a little bit ago and have been putting off his personal quest. So this will be tremendously helpful as always, thank you. This video also made me appreciate Tim Downie’s voice work even more, if that was possible. All of the VAs really were the perfect fit for their roles.
Yeah, I snubbed Gale on my first playthrough, but over time, he's really grown on me.
@@SlimXG Funny, I'm kind of the opposite myself. On my first playthrough I kinda liked Gale, but when I had to restart my save from the beginning I began to dislike him. Maybe it was just that "new game honeymoon"-phase wearing off and me taking a more critical look at the characters, plus me playing a sorcerer so Gale felt rather redundant to keep around.
@@Sazandora123 Yeah, but sorceror gets the best chances to trash talk him. Just respec Gale into, I dunno, a druid.
@@SlimXG I completely forgot about that, lol. I'll keep it in mind for future playthroughs.
I would absolutely love to see all the cut dialogue!
ALL of it? o_o
@@SlimXG I said what I said. 18 hour long TH-cam video deep diving into all the cut dialogue from BG3 while I eat my dinner.
@@Stormypinkness It takes you 18 hours to eat your dinner?
First playthrough i unknowingly pushed him towards the crown. Somehow never got the boat scene even though i was romancing him. Savescummed the fuck out if that DC30 persuasion check to tell him NOT to go for the crown obly for him to immediately ditch me 😂😭 i was so mad bc i never encouraged him to go for it!
I loaded a save and withheld the book initially and told him to seek mystras forgiveness. Got the sweet version of the boat scene and the professor ending 💜
wonderful video and we appreciate the hard work you pun in to show us so much of what this game has to offer
one critique: because there's so much numbers, code, and nerd talk (minus the ones from Gale), a good diagram/bullet points on how the dialog is achieved would be much appreciated i.e. a expansion on the 'Goal Score' to each of the choices to be made
That was my original plan, but it was just becoming too complex for the video, so I tried to just cover specific outcomes. It would really take a text post with diagrams and whatnot to show it all off properly.
"If you do or don't please let me know in the comments"
Yes, especially if it involves Minthara.
Yes I'm still on that hill, yes I'm still sad she doesn't have more publicly available. (I don't even think she's necessarily the best romance or companion, just that she has way, way more potential that seems to have been not applied.)
She's definitely on the list of characters to explore for a future companion(s) video. Though there doesn't appear to be much in the way of that same kind of unfinished dialogue, like the Gale transformation option.
@@SlimXG Appreciate you!
This is great! I love the video. I could have sworn Gale definitely has some different dialogue in act 2 when you dont dissuade him enough, at least in a romance- I accidentally pushed him towards death and he said very depressing things, didnt say the thing where he thanks you for talking him down the morning after and said something morose about his "own self inflicted death" instead. That said, thanks so much for making this video. Its very good to show us all these technical things- hes so complicated. Its a really good video
Yeah, at pretty much every level, there are more dialogue changes if you're romancing him. Weirdly, the conversation right after spending the night under the stars with him in Act 2 changes between 0 and 1 death score if you didn't start a romance with him, but is the same either way if you did. I originally had that in the video, but trimmed it for time.
Yes I love seeing the data that's far outside normal gameplay! Thanks for doing these videos!
Absolutely loving these videos! Thanks for showing a bunch of us stuff we won't ever see otherwise, I truly love knowing the mechanics behind npc interactions
Another sick look behind the curtain, thanks SlimXG!
the work you put into this is amazing! love seeing cut/bugged out content
Well, then check out the newest video I just put out! And thank you.
I had no idea there were 7 possible letters from Gale during the epilogue alone. This game is nuts
I figure most people didn't know there were that many, with how difficult/impossible they are to get, due to the bugs
On my first Honor mode run (which succeeded) I was playing as Origin Karlach and romanced Gale. I didn't really plan for anything specific, wasn't even sure how the epilogue would look like since my previous runs were done before the epilogue was a thing. In the end I managed to heal Karlach by turning her into a god alongsside Gale, which was something I didn't even know was possible. This video has managed to even further impress me, because it looks like I had to pick a lot of very specific options for this to work out.
YESSSS I WAS HOPING FOR MORE VIDS LIKE THIS!!! It's so interesting to have the code that determines certain story outcomes laid out simply, makes it a lot easier to keep track of your decision making when you replay the game to get all the endings lol
I always like seeing interactions between the companions and playing as an origin character. Never knew there was dialogue between Karlach and him
As usual, fantastic work! When I saw in game Avernus outside of the cutscene my jaw dropped
It's funny that, of the few Patch 7 fixes that Larian has announced, the janky fade to black at the end of the Karlach in hell scene is one of them. That quick glimpse of the characters standing there after the cutscene was all I needed to find it hahah.
Amazing! I’d love to see more of these deep-dives, flag discussions, and hidden/blocked/unfinished things! Thank you for doing the hard work and sharing it with us!!!
OMG Shadowheart's system was a piece of cake compared to this mess 😂 Thank you so much for explaining it ! Gale was rarely in my party in my first run, I did take him to Sorcerous Sundries and gave him the book to read and went to see Mystra tho. But I kept a neutral approach concerning the crown and a firm no way one concerning the blowing up. I was a bit sad when I realized at the end there was no way to deter him from godhood. So he became a bitchy god and I hated it. I'm now playing origin Shadowheart and romancing him so hopefully I can get it right this time 😅
Romancing him gives you lots of thoughtful and caring ways to talk him out of being bitchy
@@SlimXG Yep, I took notes ! I tried in my first run to let the characters decide their fate freely. Went really well except for him. This boy needs a clear STOP IT to remain nice apparently 😅
@@Azylys- And because he starts the game, "Swayed" even if you never say a thing about the crown, he'll still claim you "urged" him to snatch it.
once again knocked it out of the park with an insane level of intelligent detail and analysis of bg3 background mechanics no one has delved into, paired with well timed comedy bits. Bravo Maestro!
Thank you very much! I'll see what else I can come up with.
Hope yont burn yourself out chasing the youtube algorithm. Your already a true innovator in these videogame sciences vids. Be true to your methodical style and witty humour and youll go far in any context with your inspired works with utmost self-satisfaction cap! @@SlimXG
Now learning about these flags is interesting, but I think a better question is...knowing all of this, does this still work if you do Lae'zel origin with Gale romance, with pushing him towards godhood...can he ascend Lae'zel if you correctly check all the right options? Because I have never seen anyone do that yet and the idea of Lae'zel becoming a proper god over Vlaakith is hilarious.
Yep, as long as you don't fly off on a red dragon to hang out with Vlaakith or Orpheus, Gale will give her a proper ascension .
In my first playthrough I wondered why Gale couldn't just randomly decided to be become a god at the end only to be utterly destroyed by Mystra. Now I know it was due to basically ignoring him the entire game :) Thank you for answer.
YAYYYYYY I've been so looking forward to this!! Thank you so much! I love this type of stuff so much but I'm awful at parsing it on my own so your explanations are perfect. Thanks so much for your research into this!
This is so fascinating! I knew about the tags and point system but when I tried to trigger them naturally, it was so much more complicated I gave up on it. I haven't even heard some of these lines at all!
How the actual "pushing" works in the script is what I think many people were missing, even those that had investigated the parsed dialogue files. I figured I could add something to the discussion hahah.
@@SlimXG Oh yeah definitely, this made much more sense now! Awesome work.
With you being able to pick out bugs and what caused them I'm surprised you're not hired to help fix them too lol
Thanks for your time delving into this kinda thing! It's super fascinating on both a coding and story front
Hahah thank you, though I don't expect Larian to give me a call any time soon.
Watching this to get tips on how I can get Gale to blow himself up in my honor mode run. This is very in-depth and helpful, thanks.
Amazing content. You've really put in a lot of effort into it.
This is great stuff, I appreciate the amount of research you've done. I just hope you report these all to Larian.
Didn’t realize there was such a complex system for Gale😀
I feel like I got hella lucky with both of my finished playthroughs!
My first one I somehow easily got normal professor Gale at the end,, and my second one where I romanced him ended the same way as well,, lmao I was desperate for him to not blow up or become a god in both playthroughs,,
Whenever I talked to him I think about the the meme that goes: “YOU’RE NOT ASCENDING TO GODHOOD YOU’RE JUST DEHYDRATED!!”
Awesome video!! Thank your for making this☺️
And thank you for watching it!
Marvellous party, isn't it?
Damn, for a game like Baldur's Gate 3, I did not expect the endings to be such a mess. I'm impressed with what you managed to dig up. Also, I love seeing hidden/unreachable/cut content, so please, more of that!
Well then go watch the newest video! Again, if you already did!
(But there's also more on the way)
On my honor run, I tried to make Laezel a goddess - what better way to really say FU to Vlaakith? Alas, she ended up becoming a mind flayer to save Orpheus, and then _while_astral_projecting_ to the epilogue, she just had to eat Astarion's brain before I talked to Gale... Damn you honor mode!
Anyways, with patch 7 I'll try again, so you've got a couple months to try such a crazy thing if you need more crazy ideas :)
What, did she eat an astral projection of Astarion's brain? Did her tentacles just get really long and stretch all the way from Creche K'liir?
Yeah isn't it awesome? If you made a list of the top 10 craziest bugs you've found, would it make the cut?
@@robjohnson3095 Hah, most bugs aren't as interesting as stuff like human Gale ascending to the heavens (and a lot of bugs have been fixed, by this point). I do take note of any oddities I stumble onto, though I've been in the habit of just grouping them in with whatever content they're related to. But I'm certainly always open to video ideas. Despite the technical age of this channel, I'm still very new to trying to make videos people actually wanna watch. Every video is an experiment and a learning experience hahah.
Oh my god thank you!!!! I knew he had to have a point score like this the night song points but I couldn’t find anyone to look into it for me. Ugh, I really appreciate this!! ♥️ I’m only halfway through the video so I might be back to comment again, I’m so excited.
Hahah happy to help
@@SlimXGI adore the wizard, and I so firmly walk the wire every time to have him not become a god, but also not kiss musty Mystra’s ass bc fuck her lol. It is very stressful but I am very stubborn and I like my husband to feel content and have his orb tattoo at the epilogue 🤣
Anyways, this is so very appreciated, I’ve been feeling like pepe Silvia mode about this since the one play through I failed and got god Gale(traumatizing). And I love seeing the unseeable content! Firmly sat for more Gale/bg3 content!
I'd love it if you could look into the mechanism of whether Karlach lives or dies if you're not there for her at the end, like if you leave with Lae'zel before her scene. I just did a run romancing Lae'zel and we left on the dragons at the end, which lead to Karlach burning up on the dock. Yet I keep hearing that there's a way to get her to decide to live, even if you aren't there to tell her to.
I tested the scenario and she did die. Looking at the file for that scene, it checks for a big list of situations where the avatar is not present (including leaving with Lae'zel) and all of them point to the same version of the scene. The only way for her to not blow up, even if the avatar is present, is to talk her into going to Avernus. So with no avatar there, who would do that?
@@SlimXG Thanks for looking, I appreciate it!
Damn, this video is incredibly cool, thank you for your work in making it. That being said, it kinda sucks that some of this content is bugged and no one ever noticed until the dataminers realised that. These will never be fixed, I feel like.
Ya never know. Larian already specifically mentioned fixing the "Dekarios" dialogue in Patch 7, so it's possible that some other ones may be fixed, as well. A few simple adjustments to flags would fix all of the bugs that I talked about at the end of this video.
Gale in my playthrough can't wait to blow up, he keeps asking me if he can do it - bro, just calm down
He wants to show off this cool new trick he learned
All of this makes me wonder...what is the absolute rarest playthrough? All of the weirdest options.
Apparently, playing as Lae'zel and stabbing yourself is pretty rare . .
For some reason this video only showed up now despite me being subscribed.
So happy you made a video covering this!
You don't check your subscription feed every day just in case I uploaded a new video?!
And thank you for watching it!
@@SlimXG I know, shame on me :(
oh wow, his endings are buggy as hell! he became a god in one of my playthroughs even though i never encouraged it, it really surprised me. i can't remember my exact path to that point but nice to know i'm not the only one accidentally getting god gale haha
I am way too tired to understand half of this (it is very late), but it was still interesting. Those letters are heartbreaking, especially the ones written from the Netherbrain. I don't like Gale, he gets on my nerves, but I could never do that to him. We are ride or die in this party
This was an awesome video. I really hope to see more from you on topics such as these!
Super interesting! Thank you so much! Finding out about the hidden and unused dialogue is very cool.
As usual, phenomenal deep dive into this stuff!!
I am so used to ship him with Origin Astarion that seeing Shart there was so weird for me 😂
this is very interesting stuff! with the minimal (and very rough) coding experience I have, I've sometimes mixed up what variables go where or failed to account for all the places they can/should be changed, so I can definitely see how this sort of thing happens, especially with how complex this game is.
Oh, absolutely. I even felt a bit bad for saying the code for the letters is, "a mess" because I know how much work is involved. With how complex all the scripts are in this game, it's amazing how much goes *right*
@@SlimXG for sure! It’s really cool to see some of the edge case dialogues and failsafes that most people never see
I definitely want to see the impossible/unfinished content. And as always, another great vid!
Larian just released anniversary statistics that said only 34 people had lae’zel kill herself after Vlaakith rejects her ascension on an origin playthrough. Could you look into what makes that possible?
In fact, I already did! It appears that Vlaakith will reject your ascension (while you're still on the dock) if you are either a filthy ghaik or if you are on the Vlaakith loyal path but didn't kill Orpheus. A little less confident on that second one, since it's more jumbled in the file. And if that happens, Lae'zel has the option to stab herself.
I could just create a game as Lae'zel and test it to be sure, though I still haven't gotten around to installing the Debug Book mod, so I gotta get from the nautiloid to the dock the "normal" way, which still took me around an hour and a half when I did it with Karlach just to show a few seconds of her epilogue romance scene with Gale -_-
@@SlimXG Oh, I figured it would be something like that! Thanks for the answer!
amazing work and fantastic channel. you clearly work so hard on these and i hope you get the views you deserve! i will watch literally anything you dig up from this game!
Literally anything? Well that'd open up a lot of possibilities . .
I could make a video all about the "LOW_CazadorsPalace_RitualRoom_State_CazadorIsShirtless" flag
@@SlimXG i dare you…
Very cool and informative video! I would like to know more about obscure and unused dialogue lines. It's a cool look into the writing process.
It's crazy how I accidentally hit all the right buttons to push Gale away from wanting to get the crown towards the end of the game. Gale always sounded a BIT too power hungry every time he talked about the crown so I just kept saying "Bro chill out" 😂
The 🐐 returns
Thank you so much for invaluable knowledge, it's a lot to process
3:43 I feel the key word is alone, arguably since he has the sense that his redemption is in his hands. The others do not speak of consequence, or of consequences not of his control. This I think also works with the line which is missing afterwards, since the choice then speaks of a consequence which Gale has control over. His death would be a choice he makes specifically to destroy the Absolute, not in hopes for any forgiveness or the better good.
Also irony that the bugs make it that Gale, God of Ambition, had so much ambition to woo his former lover that he brought her to the heavens.
first time watching your channel and i haven't even finished the video but i LOVED it, i love this kind of deep dives, keep doing them! i'm subbing :)
Didn’t know I was clicking a How it’s made video on gale
That's at least the third time someone has made a "How It's Made" reference in the comments of my videos. I dunno how I'm supposed to feel about this . . 🤔
The part talking about gale's unvoiced dialogue reminds me of something I found in-game. It was in an older patch, so I don't know if it's still in the game, but it's that about that one gnome you can save by poisoning beer in the grymforge. Usually he doesn't show up anymore after you save him, but if you leave him to save him for the very last, then he'll actually show up at the myconid colony. I think I had to choose a specific option that only shows up after you saved all the other gnomes (killed Nere, etc). When you talk to him at the myconid colony, he has unvoiced dialogue thanking you for it. Dunno if he is any different from the other gnomes in any other way, IIRC I think he would aggro to you stealing from the colony, unlike the other gnomes I think.
I know it has nothing to do with this video, but I don't know any other place that would care about this factoid lol.
Yeah, it seems that if you wait until taking care of Nere and freeing the other deep gnomes before helping Skickpit, you have the option to tell him to join the others. At least in the current version of the game, his dialogue plays properly, voice and all, if you talk to him in the myconid colony.
And random factoids are what I'm all about!
22:24 "REALLY_KARLACH" I must know more about this parameter
Hahah that's just a tag that the character is, well, really Karlach. The "REALLY" part of those tags usually comes into play only when it's used with a racial tag and there's a different outcome when disguised as that race.
@@SlimXG That makes sense, thank you lmao
I find it hilarious that Gale wants to become a God and succeeds, meanwhile Vlaakith has been trying for a thousand years and ain't got shit 🤣🤣🤣
Hey, at least she's got a totally radical throne made out of bones and ghaik heads
Loved seeing the rare dialogue choices as well as the impossible ones. Like I’ve never entered the archives without going Through the tower first even though I know you can go through the office in sorcerer sun dries. It just never seemed worth going that way since it’s likely to make the whole store hostile so I’d probably never see the other dialogue scenes. I’m on my 3rd playthrough now doing my honor mode run and romancing Gale so it’s interesting to see how some things end up on how you approach the boat scene before/after talking to mystra. I went before so I guess I missed some dialogue. I had no idea Gale could explode himself and fail to become a god. Some of those odd situations were quite funny to see from just going to Avernus. Very good though video, Inlovr hearing about how the mechanics work for the companions.
I'm into Shadowheart, so i haven't romance Gale even once. But this "he didn't need this stupid crown"ending so fanny. I want to see it in game XD
Thanks for video, at last i knew why he always end as annoying motivation speaker on playthrough
I didn't like Gale at first, but he grew on me. And with this video as a guide, you can turn him into whatever you want, from a bomb to a marvellous party enjoyer
I love every single video you post.
See, now I wanna try making worse and worse videos to see how far I can push that
If you don't show us this impossible dialogue, who will? There is no BG3 TH-camr in the world as thorough as you!
It's funny that you use the word, "impossible," since I've got a video planned that's all about the flag of that same name . .