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I think the biggest issue with having anything close to hitboxes that match the model is the unpredictability especially through ping. This game is already a game of millisecond reaction time, if you then add a random corner to the hitbox near the centre of the car (Like the tip of the windshield) and you will get unpredictable shots that will create more rubber banding and ghost touches
Some more fun facts about hitbox: Psyonix did try to have accurate model and hitbox, but this was in Rocket League's alpha, alongside a more realistic physics model. The players _hated_ it because the random surface angles where the ball hits the car drastically changed the direction the ball will go. So they moved to "Rectangular Cuboids" hitboxes. Before the hitbox standardization update, Psyonix deliberately made cloned hitboxes of the Octane, Dominus, and Breakout hitboxes. This is especially apparent with cars such as the Octane ZSR and whatnot. But even more so. Marauder, Takumi, Vulcan, and Proteus were Octane clones while Aftershock was a Dominus clone. They did so to get people _OFF_ of the base cars such as Octane, Dominus, Batmobile, and Breakout. Statistically the most used cars. After that didn't work, then they tried hitbox standardization. But there's also another argument for it, which is preventing arguments for "Pay to Win" by buying superior hitboxes. In fact, the Batmobile and Dominus both sparked that idea, given that Kuxir97 used both cars as his primary when they were released. There was also hitbox changes _prior_ to this. Octane used to be too tall, Dominus too short, Breakout too long, etc etc. They made these adjustments in v1.16 which is about 2 years before car standardization. So even though you have people who complain about hitboxes now, imagine what it was like when 25%-40% of the Dominus' hood went inside the ball until it finally collides. Overall, as someone who's played since the game came out, hitbox standardization is objectively better for the game. But we ain't getting people off the Octane, Dominus, Fennec, and Batmobile. There's other reasons for why these cars are the most popular.
When are you going to make a TH-cam channel? I've seen you on reddit you are a wealth of knowledge. Even if it doesn't take off there is a good chance you will have fun making the content.
So many stupid arguments against more accurate hitboxes. All people want are hitboxes that match the cars better. That's it. Octane, Dominus, Fennec, Skyline, and Batmobile are most popular because their hitboxes match their cars the best. There aren't "other reasons." Hitbox standardization makes sense, but having only 6 hitboxes that are supposed to accurately represent over 150 vehicles doesn't make any damn sense.
A change that I've never seen anyone talked about but still pisses me off is the fact that we used to be able to look around after being demoed. They did an update some time ago and now we can't. I don't know why they did that and I feel like nobody even noticed it.
It has been like that for years now, I'm not sure anyone has been able to pinpoint the exact time it started. Definitely bug related, not intended though. Interesting thing I found when I was doing research for a video one time, was that in Beta after a demo the camera tracked the person who demo'd you.
@@Rocket_Sledge I've actually had the camera track the player a handful of times in the past few years, so I think that the ability of the camera to do this is still in the code, it just rarely ever works, for some reason.
I think the idea is that they want demos to really take a player out of the game. Having the ability to look around would allow players to get more information before respawning, giving them a quicker “recovery” and making game sense not matter as much. I don’t think it makes that much of a difference, though.
@@Rocket_Sledge I believe the reason it was removed was because of a bug which happened where if your camera was moved away when you respawned your camera would be stuck in that position until the next kickoff. I dont know why they didn't just change it instead of removing the feature completely
I might be able to find the exact version of when this started to happen. It's something that bothers me too. I wish I paid more attention to this to have a better idea of when it started to occur. Sometime in 2016 or 2017, I think. No later. If anyone has a more precise timeline, that would greatly help. I'd be able to find the exact version that caused this because I have the ability to download and install old versions of Rocket League using the Steam version of the game and using a Steam feature called "download_depot".
I *REALLY* wish they would add a "test drive" feature for new cars in the shop, so I could try it before buying. Just a quick freeplay session with the car would be more than enough..
just trade for the shit dont buy it from the shop its cheaper and you can sell it if you don't like it edit:you can also refund your item shop purchases but you have a finite amount of refunds
Everytime I rewatch this I am reminded why Rocket League is probably the best example of "You will never make the community happy" as you can get. Standardized hitboxes: Accepted at first, now hated anyways. Loot boxes: Had to change due to law, community blames the devs anyways. OG Season 5 banners: Hated dragon banners, Psyonix made new ones cause of how much they were hated, community loved the dragon banners again anyways. Hard reset: Massively hated at first, now the community has been begging for it for years anyways. Casual bans: People complained about people leaving mid game, now complaining about being banned for leaving anyways. Almost every choice Psyonix does is either hated at first then loved, or loved at first then hated. The back and forth of this is def a showing of why some game studios don't listen to their communities when this is all they do, complain about everything and almost never give and praise on the hard work they do, or the times they listen to their community, to then only be hated for it anyways.
i like playing extra modes but since they removed the exact numbers it's been very hard to tell, if it is worth queueing. as sledge mentioned an estimated queue time would help, otherwise i'd like to see how many players are playing (preferably in my region) again. great video as always.
I guess the counter point is before the change it never filtered for rank or region so that data it gave was almost unusable. Though I know with a smaller playlist like extramodes it still gave some idea of what to expect.
Agreed. Extra modes are some of my favorite times playing RL but the queue times for a playlist like Snow Day are insanely long, especially after you get past Champ-GC.I would love to see an estimated time frame for a queue, so I could do something else while waiting.
@@hhaste same, im usually d3 - c1 and sometimes i won't find match, even during main queue times. according to the tracker network that's like top 15k - 8k
@@Rocket_Sledge Then again instead of completely removing the feature they could have added a filtering system to the feature which could have made it more useful
As someone who didn't play prior to when rocket league was free to play, I felt like I was missing out on a key component of the game when I heard about custom hitboxes. It's nice to hear that they might not have been that drastically different as I had initially thought.
Most people were maining one of the cars that it had almost no effect on. If you asked me exactly when the update went into effect from playing alone, I would never have been able to tell you. Nothing happened as a result. People still main the same cars, but at least now you know which cars are the same as your main, so you can pretend to try other cars. Bottom line, it ain't the car it's the driver. As much as you probably didn't wanna hear that.
worst change they ever made was removing celebration cam in a goal replay. It used to zoom in on whoever scored the goal, now it just locks on the goal.
The casual ban is fine, but the absolute dumbest thing is getting a ban for leaving a 1s match. Like, what? Who am I creating an unfair experience for? WHO!? The opponent got his W, what's the issue?
The FF in casual ones was added later, at first glance it seems stupid but the purpose was to make it more difficult for people that are purposefully trying to lower their casual MMR.
@@blaze41 Maybe they reverted it back for 1v1s? Pretty sure it was a 60 second wait before because people were complaining on reddit a lot about it. I never play casual 1s though.
I believe this is a way to slow down boosters, 1:30 isn't too long where as long as the opponent isn't watching every goal replay you should be able to get through it pretty quickly. But just long enough to be annoying for boosters to deal with. Compared to boosters just loading in and then immediately leaving, then insta re-queueing all within a second or 2.
As a casual player, they are three changes I did not like. - The reduced range of the grappling hook and the suction cup in Rumble mode. That was fun to cross the field with those items - Adding competitive ranks in Rumble. It was such a fun mod and I feel that adding ranks changed the mindset of players. - Removing the Rocket Labs maps. I loved the goofy designs, it was a breath of fresh air.
The removal of rocket labs maps always gets me going. Plus they added even more rocket labs maps with heatseeker variants and those aren't even playable in private matches.
I’m over the removal of crates, but the fact that new (dlc) cars went from like 1.5/2 € to 10/11€. Yes they have to make money, I get that, but I miss being able to buy new cars for cheap.
100% I miss for when it was like that I would be bored and just roll the dice of queuing extra modes with other playlists. As well as I preferred to play solo standard over regular 3s.
I still wonder how it is possible that a DLC car costs 1100. For comparison, I originally bought the Delorean for 5 bucks (local currency, of course), but its price now reaches 55. I mean, seriously? I bought the game for 36 on steam...
2:50 The size change is just the tip of the iceberg though. The positions of the hitboxes and their center of mass also shifted and this was huge. I was a Takumi main at the time and all these factors combined resulted in the car feeling so off for me that I ended up switching cars alltogether. I do agree that standardized hitboxes are probably better in the long run, but at the time it felt like shit to have your car changed. Like, if they make you use the Octane hitbox anyways, using the correct model to go with it just feels like the objectively superior choice.
I agree with this, but I feel like standardizing hitboxes is still a horrible move. I know plenty of competitive games that have a pretty small amount of things that you use at high levels, but imagine if League of Legends standardized 10 champs, 2 for each role and made all other characters just visually different. The player base would drop overnight into the ground. I feel like cutting off modes of variety does not help a game grow competitively. Even if at the end of that day it still is just Octane, Fennec, and Dominus players, I never though that was the correct direction to go in.
@@lisandrogarabentos4718 Different turning radius', different hitboxes. And I am comparing their competitive aspects, not saying their the same game at all.
I think the free to play update was easily one of the worst since it made it a lot easier for people to make multiple accounts to either Smurf or cheat or whatever and not worry about getting banned since they can just make a new one. I would it if they had separate game modes for solo queueing or party queuing as well because a lot of the games I’ve played recently where there is a party is almost always someone getting boosted by a higher level player. Sometimes you even get 2 higher level players just straight up smurfing together for no reason
The crates were predatory so they needed to go but Epic absolutely jacked up prices to crazy levels. Used to be able to get cars or simple cosmetics for $1-2 worth of keys, maybe $5 for something somewhat nice. The cheapest things with blueprints were like $5 for crap tier items, $10 for anything decent, and $20-$25 for anything actually nice. Sure they cut that in half but it was still wayyyy too much.
I remember there was a post on reddit when the prices first dropped. It stated "Calling it now, in a couple weeks they'll reduce the price and apologize for the high prices, but the prices will still be insanely high for regular items. It'll just look better because of the original price increase. Don't fall for it. Don't buy items." Sure enough...
Worst thing is new players didn’t knew about how ridiculous the new prices were and have been already indoctrinated by Fortnite to accept 10 bucks for a skin
It's still hilarious to me that they were so greedy that they got shit on for REMOVING loot boxes Pretty amazing to fuck up that monumentally but even more amazing that it's still not half as bad as Overwatch
I still don't like the voting system. There is no casual game mode really . Gone are the days where you could flop around trying to freestyle, people would zoom in and out until you found like minded people and then you'd play for ages.
I didn’t know casual bans were a thing and I’ve been playing since the beta lol. I quit casual when I don’t have time to run ranked before the tourney so I’ll join a casual and then quit a min before the tourney starts. But that’s about the only time I play casual too so that makes sense.
The one that really grinds my gears and makes no sense whatsoever is getting a matchmaking ban for leaving a comp 1v1. It gives the generic "Leaving matches hurts your teammates" BUT WHAT TEAMMATES DO I HAVE IN A 1V1?!?
Just had the thought of a potential way a reset could be done to better help fix ranking: All players in the first tier of a rank group, ie: Plat 1, Dia 1, Champ 1, get put to 1 game below that rank in the third tier of the rank below. Bronze 1s obv will just stay Bronze 1 cause can't go lower. All players in the second and third tiers of a rank group all get put 1 game into the first tier of the rank group. SSLs get put 1 game into GC2 to still keep them ahead of the last season's GCs but still need to work their way back up to SSL for the new season. All placements must be done solo and no split screening. This could help take boosted players who were diamond who got carried to high champ, back to the bottom of champ, and if they can't hold up with actual champs, will fall back to diamond due to forced solo q. This could also help in detecting boosting if after someone does placements, if they are detected to ONLY or PREDOMINITLY party up and their rank goes up several ranks, then its easy to see that they are being boosted by the people they are partied with, since they couldn't rank up much while solo, but suddenly with other people, they can climb the ranks with ease.
the ONLY bad thing they changed was the removal of random painted items from Rocket Pass. I mean they could have made it that its random for every player, but you can see what you are getting for yourself. In f2p season 1-2 it was still random for every player without it showing what you'd get, while that was very much fun, it was kind of unmotivating as you wouldnt know if its worth grinding one more level or not, but it was also qualifying as gambling lowkey so i can understand why its not a case anymore. And as to that my idea is, the Rocket Pass painted rewards should be **random for everyone** but it should show what you are getting, with a few levels (maybe every 10th) being the same significant item for everyone.
I think it's ridiculous they consider the pass as gambling. Its not. You spend a set amount of credits and earn random painted items depending on how much you play. What they should've done is removed the option to buy tiers. Because that's where the gambling is. Rocket pass is ruined now but because its technically only cost me 1000cr for every pass since RP1, I keep buying it. Otherwise I would stop now.
Also, surprised the MMR number not being visible anymore was not mentioned in this video. That was definitely controversial, it's a neat bit of lore that it was ever visible in the first place but I know many people prefer to see it and effectively revert it themselves with bakkesmod. Such an option is not available for players on other platforms, though.
Decent idea I didn't think of. It was there for such a short time, only the first season I believe. Personally I remember not being too bothered by it, but there was probably some backlash (I didn't really go on the subreddit back in those days).
It wasn’t that controversial considering that League of Legends had already done the same thing with their ranking system long before Rocket League semi-copied it. As long as players at the top rank can see MMR, then it’s fine not being able to see it as an average player. It can be considered an incentive for hitting the top rank even.
@@matKilla9801 I can only tell you what I remember from being involved with the community at that time, which is that it was controversial and many people wanted it reverted back and were asking why it was changed in the first place. I don't know if my memory is exaggerating the frequency of these posts when the update happened or if the frequency of those posts was representative of the opinions of more than the subreddit at the time
Just an FYI, that's not quite correct. Because you _can_ see your MMR, but only if you're GC1 or higher. But the main thing to say is that if you were below GC, it was _never_ visible. You may be thinking of Legacy Season 1 in 2015, but this wasn't MMR. It was "Rank Points" which very loosely followed your MMR value. They did away with this system for several reasons. The first is how unintuitive it felt for rank points movement. New placing accounts would gain less rank points than they subtracted, especially if they were meant to rise in rank. You could have the MMR of the highest rank in the game, but be 2-3 ranks lower. It would take forever for Rank Points to catch up to your MMR. And sure, if you want to draw parallels loosely and just say "make MMR visible now" that's cool. But wanted to bring forth accurate information about what actually happened, since MMR was never visible. Whether it's a good idea to make MMR visible, I don't know. Normally, I would say the reason for not doing so is the same as Psyonix's, where people stress out too much about rating movement over a single game. But many, many people including myself use BakkesMod and RocketLeagueTracker anyway. On top of that, the bot situation is likely to result in anti-cheat which would very likely make BakkesMod unusable, so it would be perfectly fine to make rating visible to all players if BakkesMod ceases to function.
As a casual only player, overall the casual bans were a net positive for the casual playlist. But it is still annoying that you can't leave without getting penalties if your tm is throwing, or you gotta leave the match to join up with friends. And you don't particularly want to keep them waiting for 5min...
They should let you leave at like a 8 goal difference or something, ive had it a couple of times that a throwing team mate held me hostage for the whole match
The reason I don't like them removing crates is that they replaced them with the free drops which have really ruined black market prices, I remember trading a few years back, having a black market was something to flex about and I was very proud when I managed to trade to one. Now pretty much all non-painted black markets are below 100-400 credits and in extremely low demand. The removal of the crates was obviously not the sole contender to this as the entire trading community has become more fixated on painted wheels and octanes. I stopped trading about a year ago because I felt like everyone just wanted the same items and it became really dull just flipping the same items for way too small margins.
Biggest roadblock I find in rank up is when I finally make it to a new tier, I get 3 games in a row with an afk, griever, leaver or boosted teamates. The old 1 step forward and 2 backwards.
Kuxir's reddit post about the batmobile was legendary. Wasn't in the patchnotes and the devs didn't even realize something had changed with the batmobile's suspension calculations, but he could tell something was off.
That's not _quite_ true. They knew exactly what happened, they just didn't expect it to make any noticeable difference. To be specific, they created a new hitbox preset called "Plank" and based it on the Batmobile hitbox. More specifically, I think they used the Mantis' hitbox which was based on but not a 100% copy of the Batmobile. Then after standardization, they moved the Batmobile into the Plank preset. When Kuxir complained, they reverted the Batmobile completely out of the preset. It stayed like that for quite some time until a year or two later where they just decided to make all planks the Batmobile hitbox anyway, getting rid of the "Plank" preset. It's now technically the "Batmobile" preset.
@@HoraryHellfire Ah! My memory's timeline was quite a bit off then. For some reason I thought the batmobile stayed unique for a bit before becoming the plank, and that somewhere in unifying the other hitboxes, it had effected the bat, then Kux' post, etc -- the batmobile -> plank and back having come slightly later. Makes much more sense seeing the actual timeline lol. Thanks for the correction, Horary, always a student of the game. Cool seeing you around, hope you are doing well these days :)
8:13 this is why an idea I have would be a revearse reset so everyone starts at the highest rank and as they go through placements those who win get to stay while those who lose slowly drop back down into the rank they belong. So true most would lose their first couple matches that would still leave the higher/better players above while the lower ranks start actually playing against and with eachother until they reached their own respective rank and because of how the season rewards settings go by the end of any of your placements you'd still only have a bronze season reward.
I really appreciate the standardized hitboxes (even though I am a fennec/octane main), but the time when the Merc was an octane body was a sad one. It just didn't feel /big/ like it used to. When they reintroduced it I was so happy, and now I actually use it from time to time and have a friend who swears by it. It just feels so right
I had a friend stop using the Merc probably because that update and recently got back into it. I have sworn by the Masamune for 6yrs now and am kinda surprised still when I see someone else rocking it.
I think a good way to deal with casual bans is to have 3 gamemodes like siege does. have a casual mode where people can leave no consequence. whatever happens happens and nobody can complain bc its casual. then have an unrated mode. this mode is for more serious players who want to play competitive games to the end, but dont want the gams to count toward or against their competitive mmr. i can see a lot of players using unrated for warmups before grinding a ranked session. leaving without ff is punished bc unrateds are supposed to be a more competitive environment. then finally, there's competitive which would basically exist as it does now.
They (Psyonix) make mistakes like anyone else but they do seem to do most of it out of thought for the community in the end... Some games really lack that kind of backing so it is nice to see still! Awesome video, Sledge!
The only thing I've got to say about the new banning system, I've gotten banned for leaving a comp 1v1 game too quick. I got scored on like 7 times by a Smurf and I couldn't see why you'd get a ban for leaving a 1v1 game. Kinda stupid.
ngl casual bans is what BROUGHT me to casual. I used to exclusively play comp but I wanted to enjoy the game instead of tryharding 24/7. Not having tm8's leave instantly in cas makes it a viable option to play
I'm not big into gaming but I do love rocket league. When they made mac incompatible with online play, it made it impossible for me to play without buying a new computer. I spent $20 on this game back in the day but dropping $1K to play wasn't in the cards. Certainly my least favorite update. I realize I was probably in the minority but imagine if one day they made this game either console only or PC only, I bet you all would be furious.
Not exactly. I actually just had a longer intro for that section in which I explained the differences between soft and hard resets, then started into the story. Cut it out because it was going on for too long and I decided it wasn't needed.
My pet theory has always been that the hitbox thing is the reason why younger players tend to be so much better than older players. Their brains are more flexible with abstract concepts, so they can instinctively grasp the straightforward ways the hitbox interacts with the ball, despite the visual inconsistency. But for someone who has 30+ years of life experience, their brain will automatically seek to exploit subtleties. It doesn't matter how many times I've done training with the bakkesmod hitbox feature turned on, I'll still always try to hit the ball with just the very edge of the car model, just can't help myself.
it just sucks being an og player and looking back while watching this.. Remembering the conversations me and the boys would have about the hit boxes.. and the excitement every time a new crate would drop and the rush to play matches till one of us got one…. AHHHH Mannnnn…. good ol days.
One of the other changes with standardized hitboxes was that several cars turning radii changed. I also seem to remember there being a time when the batmobile was first introduced that it would be first to the ball during kickoffs...probably adding to the list of reasons for a better car standardization system.
They changed for the better. Most cars that were standardized had shit turning radii, the Scarab is the prime example. Others were not largely effected enough. Also, turning radii is actually a poor indicator. The most important is the turning responsiveness which is a separate measurement which was not done until way later in like 2017/2018 by Halfway_Dead (Rocket Science here on YT). At which point, standardizing them improved it.
5:21 I always find this hilarious, epic acquired psyonix hoping to make good profit in the long term, only to have to pay for their problem too in addition of their own lol. Solid video as always, sledge.
I didn't play before the hotbox update, but it just makes sense to have the hotbox fit the car visually. They wanted to avoid a competitive advantage, but it just meant people picked the best seeming choice and put the hours in to learn the hitbox. It Absolutely did create a one car meta
It would be really inconsistent though. Players complained in the beta because the ball would fly weirdly if it hit a strange part of the car as the hitboxes were accurate
I remember the unique hit boxes and some cars I couldn't use because the front of the car had uneven surfaces and would get hits going off in a weird direction.
The ban is good. Before it, I joined a game that was already 2 minutes in. People constantly leaving and joining. Most casual games never had their original 6 people in it. That sucks. Takes the flow away.
What about when they removed the ability to mute specific people in a match, its not a world ending change but it was annoying anyway. For example im the kind of person who only mutes people if theyre being annoying/spamming/toxic, and i liked being able to mute the specific people who were the problem, but now i have to mute all. Especially since even reporting players doesn’t mute them, having that come back would be great, as even just a convenience/partial work around for toxicity. Again its not gonna end the world or likely even make people stop playing but its just a nice thing to have.
Oh shit! Didn't expect to load up Rocket Sledge and have him highlighting my reddit comment out about Casual Bans! Kinda freaked me out. We make comments, and you kinda figure they're just being sent out into the ether, no one actually seeing them. I guess not! Thanks!
@@Rocket_Sledge Yep, Nik_Tesla. Thanks for taking the time to look through those comments, it wasn't exactly at the top or highly upvoted. It was just driving me insane that people were so upset about casual bans, and it felt like their "I got banned because I had an emergency" arguments weren't in good faith.
The biggest problem with the loot box change was not just blueprints. When we get a BP now we have to pay to use it. Before we would get cool stuff to actually use without paying to use it. About half as much as current BPs that we get but we didn't have to pay. Prime example is ftp users with over 1k hours that have never spent a dime on the game have very basic looking cars. Back in the hayday we ask had something cool because psyonix gave it for just playing. Also after epic bought the game they changed the match maker. Before epic we never had random match 7 to 15+ win and loss streaks. I spent 3 seasons at D2 to D3 avg and was starting to get champ matches. After epic I dropped to D1. I'm now back up to D3 avg and even got champ rewards last season. I've increased in skill a boatload since epic purchased. We get too many players that should be 2 ranks or more above or below current rank and it throws everything. Also if you are d3 avg in 2v2 and 3v3 but are say plat 1 in 1v1 and spend 3 hours playing 1v1.... Watch your 2v2 and 3v3 ranks tank top D1 cause the MM thinks you should be plat.
I dont leave often during matches in fact I'm usually the one sticking around longer bc my tm8s wanna leave after one goal but its not consistent with me. Sometimes i can leave and be fine with 4 min left and other times i cant leave when we are down by 4 and there are 40 sec left just bc one tm8 decides not to ff and I'm stuck sitting there. I think it doesnt cause a lot of leavers but it causes a lot of ppl to throw on purpose like doing nothing for 2 min or scoring on themselves instead of helping.
Biggest issue I have with the game currently is the weekly missions and free ones "requiring" certain playlists to complete. I can't stand casual or a couple of the extra modes. Would be better to keep it more open to all game modes imo
Here are something I get annoyed with. When I play my ranked match and somewhat get disconnected, they placed a banner that said "You left the game. 5 minutes ban.". It gets me not only mad but disappointed on how their system works without knowing that some players may disconnect.
i've thought the same thing. I either get disconnected or i leave because my ping was at 800... and then i'm punished for the bad connection to the server they gave me. Should be easy enough to track ping and identify a disconnect as separate from a true forfeit
@@williamdowling7718 The servers are very stable the vast majority of the time so getting disconnected is almost never because of the server. Unless you live in SAM or SE-Asia which do have worse quality servers.
The system _does_ do that. If you have disconnected the game recognizes it and asks if you want to reconnect. However, you will get banned if you don't reconnect before the remaining players forfeit the game. There is issues with reconnecting after crashing though. Crashing doesn't despawn your car so if you relaunch the game you have to wait until your car despawns and it says you leave the game, then you can reconnect. If you try to reconnect before, you won't be able to and you will get banned.
@@HoraryHellfire "bad connection to the server" is not synonymous with "bad server". I didn't say the servers are bad. I said the user shouldn't be punished for a faulty connection mid game.
the hitbox thing was just for not being a pay to win game infact the new free to play players only have 1 car for hitbox(at the start) and is actually a great thing if applied well, but the fact is that hit box are not clipped well on the model, and some cars have a wrong hitbox based on the extetic, some just don t fit the hit box. Then the blue print and shop update also is good cause lootbox are just bad, but actually the only thing wrong are the price, always or at least often is more cheap trade with player then buy from the shop/build a blue print expecially for black market items, they have to add a trade server for standardize the price and stick the shop prices with the player trade prices
A car you left off of your list was the Jager. It was my favorite vehicle, after the hitbox patch I couldn't use it anymore. It went from my favorite to the "hybrid or Dominus hitbox". I can't play with anything other than Octane hitbox anymore....and I hate not being able to use my favorite cars because of the update. RIP all the money I spent for the DLC cars and everything. Look at the Jurassic World Jeep and tell me that car makes any since with it's hitbox.
I don’t know what should be done, but the current state of 1’s is not good in the middle ranks. I’m c2-3 (depending on game mode) but my 1’s rank is currently d2, and I get players who are just so much better than me I can’t possibly win. Said players normally have a gc title and play much better than any player I’ve ever queued with outside of the last few months of 1’s, so I am quite certain these are gc’s who haven’t played 1’s in months, or longer, and are just coming back after getting gc in other mode(s). I just want to be a new d1-2 player again, lol.
the height of the marauder hitbox was different, and afaik the wheels and center of mass were moved on a lot of cars making them feel different throughout. The changes mostly weren't gamechangching, but i fell like saying it's a 3 UU chsnge does not reflect the real issues imho. Correct me if I am wrong in this part.
I feel like I was in the minority of those excited for the casual bans to be implemented. Casual is a playlist meant for fun/training purposes while giving you a challenging game with similarly skilled players and the ONLY way to rank up in this mode was to have a full 5 min game with bots playing for no more than like a minute of the game. Anything more and neither team would gain/lose any mmr. So, in practice, I'd have to win close to 75% of my games just for a chance of ranking up due to how many people quit when the first thing upsets them. I became skeptical on this update when I saw the community backlash, but I had hopes that the changes were going to be overall good. And I can say today that, to me, this was a very welcoming change for the casual playlist and has vastly improved my casual game experience.
@@PlayPodOG are you insinuating that no other game has a casual playlist that utilizes an mmr system for fair matches, or are you trying to say that no other game bans/punishes people for quitting a casual game? Either way, there are plenty of other games that do both. For example, one of the most popular games, League of Legends, has both a casual mmr and will ban players for quitting a casual game.
Right now im in 2s 1650 mmr and i think that a hard reset is needed so bad too, to fix the matchmaking and balance of skilllevels... For example sometimes I get teammates i am able to work with and may lose or win but at least i had a m8 to play a solid game, or there are games where i have literally champ 2 m8s... its unbalamced and horrible because I can never predict which kind of player i am playing with
The controversy over the casual bans still gets to me. It was the greatest change Psyonix ever made to the casual matchmaking. The people whining about the casual bans were the exact people that created the problem that the bans were solving. These whiners were the type to leave casual matches the moment they started losing. They would just abandon matches to find/start a new one at the first sign of a challenge. They became such a big problem, that it got to the point where practically every casual match had 4+ leavers. It was practically impossible to have good complete matches in casual because of these children leaving constantly. If you have to leave for an emergency in the new system, you won’t even really be punished for it too. It’s only the children that were “negatively” impacted by this change. They need to just grow up and get over it.
imagine thinking its as black and white as "anyone who doesnt like the update is a child and needs to grow up" there is more to having a good time in rocket league than playing a full five minutes without anyone leaving the match
@@dragonx23123 There is. But it's basic sportsmanship not to leave games just because you get scored on and ruining the match. This was 70% of Casual matches. Now, an "unfun" Casual match happens much less. Yes, there are throwers now, but at a lower rate than leavers who ruined the matches. And yeah, I would say most people who don't like the change are childish. It's objectively better for the mode than it was before and targets serial leavers. Coming up with fan-fiction to explain how this could affect a person is childish. If you _are_ affected, that kinda sucks, but you can't expect the world to revolve around you and the niche situation where your internet is bad most of the time or your life is a hellish toss-up of what thing pops up at any moment.
Hitboxes - completely agree, should be standardized and yes the match to the model is sometimes strange. Crates - nothing to debate, as a whole the gameworld and especially the freemium game industry needed to be put in their place with regards to gambling. So many way to young kids but also adults being lured in. Reset - There are other ways than hard resets or psyonix's version of a soft reset as the current soft reset system is broken aswell, considering last season reset you had pro's ending up in low gc or even champ here and there. There's no reason to lower everyone's MMR by a 100, if anything it should probably go up instead of down during a soft reset. But you can hard reset per rank, or give players a choice to be reset or not. It's as bad as the nonsense anti-carry, which makes everyone just create second accounts, because no one can play with friends more than 1 rank apart anymore. Casual - loved this from the moment they did it! Casual was horrible before now at least it's tolerable. Player count - yes they should have removed it all together. Psyonix has this strange fear of sharing information abou what they are up to (we REALLY need a dev question hour every month or so) but both player numbers and "amazing" add absolutely zero. Just gives people something to whine about.
I have about 1k hours in rocket league but I mainly stopped playing after all the bad/controversial updates leading up to and after f2p. It just seemed like pysnoix didn't care about their community anymore. I still play occasionally but definitely not as much as I used to
I think hit box standards are fine but I wish each body had some differences so teams could build a different style of play. I’d like to see defensive players use the Merc for example because balls shot at it bounce farther. Or the Takumi was faster but took weaker shots, maybe it would be used for dump and chase plays. Maybe the Dom was harder to demo but a little slower etc.
I stopped playing casual because of the ban system. but hear me out: I would play casual because I wanted to have fun and play without hurting my rank trying to test out mechanics I'm learning to be able to see how viable they are at my current skill level in an actual match. that said, if I'm 0 - 5 in the first 30 seconds and can't even touch the ball any time after kickoff, I'm not staying. I stay in ranked because if I don't, it'll in my opinion hurt my pride and my rank more than if I left. (with small and very few exceptions). but casual, if I know it's a hopeless match for me, I'm going to leave. but I can't do that anymore with that damned update, which has also discouraged me from trying to get better at new mechanics, because if I try to do them in a ranked match, I'm just going to get de-ranked because I don't have a good enough handle on it yet. I completely understand the reasoning behind the changes, but... why does it have to affect 1v1s in the first place?? like, it's a 1v1... great... they are kicking my ass and I'm by myself. the only person I'm affecting besides myself is my opponent, and I'm giving them a win and a short queue time. not really a big deal at all.
The casual ban is somewhat understandable cuz before that my record of random teammates in one game was 7 and now not many people just leave randomly anymore
We used to team up and count the number of teammate rotations the other team went through as we annihilated the scoreboard. Getting more than 10 points on the board, we could see equally as many opponents quit the match. I think our record was 14 opposing quits. The term sh*tsh*w comes to mind.
funny how people still complain about casual leaving. It's a massive problem still with the bans in place. can barely play a full game some days because people feel like this is the mode that when youre not instantly leading, you can leave and try again. now you just have a lot of people leaving after 1:30 which still sucks, but atleast youre not qeueing for 10 seconds of gametime every time you dont want to sweat in ranked.
I never queue for casual games unless I can't due to rank differences with my team. Even before this patch. 1. Because there's still a ban for casual 2. Ranked games are consistently better games and matchups, where in casual it's a crapshoot if I get trash players or freestylers. Therefore when it's Friday night and am I'm drinking, y'all get drunk me in ranked. Casual literally has no reason to exist anymore IMO and people need to realize that it's all in their head anyway. Losing a casual game feels no different than losing a ranked one, yet we try to trick ourselves when initially queuing for it. Just to be let down when you win because it was casual and let down when you lose, for the same reason.
*I will not miss the days of seeing a teammates leave the game just to be brought back to the same game.* _Quick story_ Was getting crushed in casual with some randoms, one of the guys left the game and returned like 7 or 8 times... somewhere in this we manage to score making it 9 to 1 and often someone on the winning team leaves..... and guess who the matchmaking put in to replace him? Yeah, our original teammate, he all dancing on the winning screen and spamming "gg" "close one". lmao
I don't think a hard reset is the answer as it takes too long to rebalance. I do however want the season resets to feel more impactful, would be cool if winning all 10 actually put you 2 rank tiers higher for instance so then you can see if you belong up there and if not eventually you'll get put back down. idk if that would actually help or not though but as a champ 2/3 i play against people who from 1 game to the next feel like vastly different ranks and i wonder if if giving the good players a chance to get out of this rank and the bad players in the other direction might fix that. or it will make the problem worse. probably that but i still want to try.
"Better" soft reset would help. But the thing is, any major change will most likely require a clean slate to actually work, and then you are back at the full skill wipe situation.
@Rocket Sledge I'm sure there's some middle ground between what we have now and the highest mmr after 10 wins being gold 3. Keep the total mmr distribution the same give a long period of time where each win/loss has a big mmr change like placements are supposed to do. I can't see any solution having 0 chaos as that's kind of the point.
I have no idea how RL works under the hood, but a ranking should keep track of more than just the rank of the player, meta data of the confidence level of that ranking could easily be tracked. If we have a high confidence that your rank is accurate you win/lose fewer points each game. If you beat somebody higher ranked than you your confidence level is lowered which means we don't know if you have an accurate ranking so we move your ranking number more. Soft resets can then keep the rank number but completely discard the confidence level allowing for much greater movement at the start of the season allowing you to get to your correct rank quickly. This could equally be applied if you haven't played for a while, holiday or something, we can lower your confidence level which might get you to your correct rank quicker, if it has changed, but you lose nothing if you are still as good as you've always been. I wrote too much, sorry for the long winded reply.
@@FuzzyLogic0 Rocket League does have a confidence value. It has four values: Mu, Sigma, MMR, and Skill Rating. The last two are essentially the same just at different scales. Mu is the "perceived skill" value. Sigma is the "uncertainty" value. MMR is the value that your matchmaking is based off of, and Skill Rating is the visible value on leaderboards and trackers, but is linearly scaled with MMR (essentially the same). Sigma starts at a high value of 8.333 and caps down to a minimum of 2.5. It scales the movement of the Mu value, so the higher the Sigma, the faster Mu will move. Each game played will drop the value of Sigma, increasing the game's confidence in your rating. This is why smurf accounts can place into Diamond 2/Diamond 3 with 10 wins in a row due to the high uncertainty. It takes roughly 60-120 games played in that playlist for Sigma to cap. Nothing raises Sigma except Soft Resets though. Soft resets raise it by 0.5 or 1.0 up to a maximum of 3.5. This makes soft resets more efficient and placing where people belong.
I agree with hitbox updates. It just made Rocket League into Octane/Fennec League. RLCS is becoming so boring, because it's everyone using the same cars/designs/etc. Millions of possible car/decal/boost/trail combinations, and the top 100 players use the same exact cars, designs, etc. Very few hitboxes match actual car design now, and thus all pros gravitate towards the cars thay best fit the limited hitboxes. Bring back individual car hitboxes, and introduce a bit of variety to the RLCS scene.
Octane is not the "best fit" of the limited hitboxes. There are cars that are objectively more accurate than the Octane. Bringing back individual car hitboxes will not get people off the Octane either. Hitbox standardization was implemented to get people off of it, lmao.
Casual bans are stupid, whenever I play against a GC who is just freestyling on me a c1 and my friend a D3 I just leave after 2sec. It’s not fun having to wait 5 to 20 min depending on when I’m stuffed up with the bans…
How would you know he's going to freestyle on you if it's only been 2 seconds? If you are with a friend you can both just vote to concede after only 1 minute, which should not be that hard to wait for. Especially since it will take at least half that time to know if the opponent is going to be "freestyling on you".
i hate that they removed the psynet profile pictures. literally the dumbest change. now i cant tell if i will be able to communicate with my teammates or not
i always thought they changed to blue prints to stop gambling and make more money for epic. I did not know that countries were banning it. Just to clarify.
Turning radius differences was an obvious balance issue though, I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain or suggest that we need to go back to having different stats for those.
@@Rocket_Sledge Maybe but it seems like an important part of regularization to mention in the video at least. I'm willing to bet that some of the subreddit posters wanted the turning radius changes to be reverted too. Especially mentioning cars like the takumi, which felt pretty different to play
The turning radius is a consequence of the hitbox. The physics wheels are placed on the hitbox. It's not a value to tune, but a cause and effect of where the wheels are placed and how big they are.
I think the first 2 are good updates tbh. Hitbox standardisation just makes sense and it is nice switching between cars that use the same hitbox I find, but I guess that's just my opinion. Crates going is amazing though, I mean poor John sandman can't make crate opening videos anymore, such a shame, but now people paying so much for keys for a chance at the items they want just doesn't exist and they can just get what they want when they get the blueprint or if it's available in the item shop. This is way more consumer friendly, even if I believe the price of items/credits is way too high the idea is still 100% better than crates and keys.
I quit the game when blueprints were released. It was the update where i realized i was as engaged in the trading scene as the actual gameplay. Its sad because i loved both and just got taken away one. I know they had no choice, I dont blame Psyonix, its just that i couldnt enjoy the game to its fullest anymore.
regarding smurphing and freestylers hanging out in low ranks.. It seems to me that the easy answer is to change MMR based on your score in the game, not just whether you won or lost. If some freestyler wins 12-0 against a silver who never touched the ball once and then forfeits at the end to stay in low ranks... their mmr should be boosted just like it would from a win. a forfeit should end the game, not give you a loss whenever you want one. That way the only way to stay in low ranks is to ACTUALLY lose the games.
@@dawiva1900 what??? I'm talking about apportioning mmr based on the score of the game and not just whether or not you win or lose or ff. I'm saying that if you are winning a game by 10 goals and then you forefeit, your mmr should increase as though you won the game. That would make it much much more difficult to artificially remain in a lower rank. If you're losing a game and you ff, then you should lose mmr just like you would for a loss.
8:15 I think what people are mad about is when you get griefers and you're stuck in a match where it's a 2v4/1v3 and they won't forfeit on purpose, leaving all replays. I have never seen anyone get banned for it. When you get teammates who actually want to play the game, then casual matches are better than what they were before the update. Now, it takes me 2-3 minutes to queue for a game in casual, been playing with chat off for 2-3 years and can not longer solo q to enjoy the game. At least free play is fun
Yeah. I mean, wasn't the point of casual to be a place where you aren't committing yourself? You don't have to worry about your rank, you don't have to worry about losing, you don't have to worry about having to leave early. Now, if you go into a game of casual, there is no guarantee that you can leave without being pusnished. Even worse, by banning people for upwards of several hours, this change encourages people to grief (throw or troll their teamates) so they can leave sooner or so they are entertained while having to wait for the game to end.
@@commander8625 The point of Casual was to be more relaxed and leisure, not 100% non-committal. It's still less committal than ranked, as you get 1 free leave a day and the bans barely escalate. Your point about "banning people for upwards of several hours" only occurs if they are leaving _repeatedly_ , something they deserve _because_ they ruin matches by leaving games. You do have a guarantee of leaving without being punished. The first leave is free. The second one is only 5 minutes. If you leave and need something to do there's a low chance you'll be done in 5 minutes. The third is only 10 minutes, which is also really low.
@@HoraryHellfire Right, the several hours was exadurated for effect. It seems that we agree that it is less committed than ranked, but still has the elements of committing that remove some of the leisure. It just seems like we have differing opinions on how much is to much. To me, 1 punishment free leave doesn't seem like enough, since I will never want to use it. What if the next game is even worse? Then should I just accept my fate? Im just never going to use it. Is that a gallacy? Probably. Does it matter to me? No. Maybe it would be better if you had 2 or to per day. Also, the fact that her doesn't tell you that it is free from punishment will always have me nervous. So also maybe if they actually told you when it was free. Also, I think this draws too much away from the relaxed feeling of casual, since you have to concede, which is basically just forfeiting. It makes casual feel more like ranked, even if the consequences arent as strict. And, that, I think detracts from the experience too much to be worth it.
@@commander8625 Considering that Casual had 70% of games ruined by rampant leavers, I find this solution far more acceptable as someone who often plays Casual and has for years. It even used to be my main mode until it was quite literally unplayable in 2019. I think that's just a you problem. Not wanting to use your free leave is quite literally not using the tools at your disposal. A tool that can help you have more fun even if it might not work for every match you play. Not sure if it's a fallacy, but it's the same thing as hoarding potions in RPGs. "Got to save them in case I need them" instead of actively using them. Of course, I actually _do_ hoard potions in RPGs, but I don't worry about saving my free leave in Casual. I don't think giving 2 free leaves is good. It's good for people who want to quit, it's not good for people who want games to be played as intended and finished. Psyonix were targeting people who quit too much.
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I think the biggest issue with having anything close to hitboxes that match the model is the unpredictability especially through ping. This game is already a game of millisecond reaction time, if you then add a random corner to the hitbox near the centre of the car (Like the tip of the windshield) and you will get unpredictable shots that will create more rubber banding and ghost touches
And pay to win complainers since a car that is paid could have a slightly better hitbox
@@DBTHEPLUG octane has like the best hit box so no
@@someone_9586 currently, but if the hitboxes were changed to match the vehicles, a different car could potentially have the best hitbox.
@@someone_9586 nice brain king
@@DBTHEPLUG wdym
Some more fun facts about hitbox: Psyonix did try to have accurate model and hitbox, but this was in Rocket League's alpha, alongside a more realistic physics model. The players _hated_ it because the random surface angles where the ball hits the car drastically changed the direction the ball will go. So they moved to "Rectangular Cuboids" hitboxes.
Before the hitbox standardization update, Psyonix deliberately made cloned hitboxes of the Octane, Dominus, and Breakout hitboxes. This is especially apparent with cars such as the Octane ZSR and whatnot. But even more so. Marauder, Takumi, Vulcan, and Proteus were Octane clones while Aftershock was a Dominus clone. They did so to get people _OFF_ of the base cars such as Octane, Dominus, Batmobile, and Breakout. Statistically the most used cars. After that didn't work, then they tried hitbox standardization. But there's also another argument for it, which is preventing arguments for "Pay to Win" by buying superior hitboxes. In fact, the Batmobile and Dominus both sparked that idea, given that Kuxir97 used both cars as his primary when they were released.
There was also hitbox changes _prior_ to this. Octane used to be too tall, Dominus too short, Breakout too long, etc etc. They made these adjustments in v1.16 which is about 2 years before car standardization. So even though you have people who complain about hitboxes now, imagine what it was like when 25%-40% of the Dominus' hood went inside the ball until it finally collides.
Overall, as someone who's played since the game came out, hitbox standardization is objectively better for the game. But we ain't getting people off the Octane, Dominus, Fennec, and Batmobile. There's other reasons for why these cars are the most popular.
When are you going to make a TH-cam channel? I've seen you on reddit you are a wealth of knowledge. Even if it doesn't take off there is a good chance you will have fun making the content.
What are these “other reasons” 🧐
damn, you got fans already, and i agree that was a top tier comment
@@alexdavis9324 Hellfire is an OG, he's been here since the beginning haha
So many stupid arguments against more accurate hitboxes. All people want are hitboxes that match the cars better. That's it. Octane, Dominus, Fennec, Skyline, and Batmobile are most popular because their hitboxes match their cars the best. There aren't "other reasons." Hitbox standardization makes sense, but having only 6 hitboxes that are supposed to accurately represent over 150 vehicles doesn't make any damn sense.
A change that I've never seen anyone talked about but still pisses me off is the fact that we used to be able to look around after being demoed. They did an update some time ago and now we can't. I don't know why they did that and I feel like nobody even noticed it.
It has been like that for years now, I'm not sure anyone has been able to pinpoint the exact time it started. Definitely bug related, not intended though. Interesting thing I found when I was doing research for a video one time, was that in Beta after a demo the camera tracked the person who demo'd you.
@@Rocket_Sledge I've actually had the camera track the player a handful of times in the past few years, so I think that the ability of the camera to do this is still in the code, it just rarely ever works, for some reason.
I think the idea is that they want demos to really take a player out of the game. Having the ability to look around would allow players to get more information before respawning, giving them a quicker “recovery” and making game sense not matter as much.
I don’t think it makes that much of a difference, though.
@@Rocket_Sledge I believe the reason it was removed was because of a bug which happened where if your camera was moved away when you respawned your camera would be stuck in that position until the next kickoff. I dont know why they didn't just change it instead of removing the feature completely
I might be able to find the exact version of when this started to happen. It's something that bothers me too. I wish I paid more attention to this to have a better idea of when it started to occur. Sometime in 2016 or 2017, I think. No later. If anyone has a more precise timeline, that would greatly help. I'd be able to find the exact version that caused this because I have the ability to download and install old versions of Rocket League using the Steam version of the game and using a Steam feature called "download_depot".
I *REALLY* wish they would add a "test drive" feature for new cars in the shop, so I could try it before buying. Just a quick freeplay session with the car would be more than enough..
Bakkesmod if you’re on PC
@@CGProds. it only changes how you can see it not the hit box or the car entirely ,but it is still a good tool
@@CGProds.yea you can’t add bodies of cars you don’t own
@@arctr00perecho True, I forgot about that aspect
just trade for the shit dont buy it from the shop its cheaper and you can sell it if you don't like it
edit:you can also refund your item shop purchases but you have a finite amount of refunds
Everytime I rewatch this I am reminded why Rocket League is probably the best example of "You will never make the community happy" as you can get.
Standardized hitboxes: Accepted at first, now hated anyways.
Loot boxes: Had to change due to law, community blames the devs anyways.
OG Season 5 banners: Hated dragon banners, Psyonix made new ones cause of how much they were hated, community loved the dragon banners again anyways.
Hard reset: Massively hated at first, now the community has been begging for it for years anyways.
Casual bans: People complained about people leaving mid game, now complaining about being banned for leaving anyways.
Almost every choice Psyonix does is either hated at first then loved, or loved at first then hated. The back and forth of this is def a showing of why some game studios don't listen to their communities when this is all they do, complain about everything and almost never give and praise on the hard work they do, or the times they listen to their community, to then only be hated for it anyways.
i like playing extra modes but since they removed the exact numbers it's been very hard to tell, if it is worth queueing. as sledge mentioned an estimated queue time would help, otherwise i'd like to see how many players are playing (preferably in my region) again.
great video as always.
I guess the counter point is before the change it never filtered for rank or region so that data it gave was almost unusable. Though I know with a smaller playlist like extramodes it still gave some idea of what to expect.
Agreed. Extra modes are some of my favorite times playing RL but the queue times for a playlist like Snow Day are insanely long, especially after you get past Champ-GC.I would love to see an estimated time frame for a queue, so I could do something else while waiting.
@@hhaste same, im usually d3 - c1 and sometimes i won't find match, even during main queue times. according to the tracker network that's like top 15k - 8k
@@Rocket_Sledge Then again instead of completely removing the feature they could have added a filtering system to the feature which could have made it more useful
@@aKhemu Im top 300 in 1s in oce and it takes me 45 mins to find a game ):
Nice to see stats on the car hitboxes change. Seeing how little actually changed has put my mind at ease.
As someone who didn't play prior to when rocket league was free to play, I felt like I was missing out on a key component of the game when I heard about custom hitboxes. It's nice to hear that they might not have been that drastically different as I had initially thought.
Most people were maining one of the cars that it had almost no effect on.
If you asked me exactly when the update went into effect from playing alone, I would never have been able to tell you.
Nothing happened as a result. People still main the same cars, but at least now you know which cars are the same as your main, so you can pretend to try other cars.
Bottom line, it ain't the car it's the driver. As much as you probably didn't wanna hear that.
worst change they ever made was removing celebration cam in a goal replay. It used to zoom in on whoever scored the goal, now it just locks on the goal.
The casual ban is fine, but the absolute dumbest thing is getting a ban for leaving a 1s match. Like, what? Who am I creating an unfair experience for? WHO!? The opponent got his W, what's the issue?
The FF in casual ones was added later, at first glance it seems stupid but the purpose was to make it more difficult for people that are purposefully trying to lower their casual MMR.
@@Rocket_Sledge I just checked, and I can immediately leave a casual 1s match as many times as I want without penalty. Is it just me?
@@blaze41 Maybe they reverted it back for 1v1s? Pretty sure it was a 60 second wait before because people were complaining on reddit a lot about it. I never play casual 1s though.
@@Rocket_Sledge i deranked a bit in ones last month and got banned for it so it’s definitely still in ranked
I also think it's dumb that if you leave a competitive 1v1 match or casual match too early you will get banned
That 1v1 irks me so much. It makes no sense. The only rank you're hurting is your own... It's just you and 1 random opp
I believe this is a way to slow down boosters, 1:30 isn't too long where as long as the opponent isn't watching every goal replay you should be able to get through it pretty quickly. But just long enough to be annoying for boosters to deal with. Compared to boosters just loading in and then immediately leaving, then insta re-queueing all within a second or 2.
is that right? i was deranking in 1s and got banned so i guess that’s why
As a casual player, they are three changes I did not like.
- The reduced range of the grappling hook and the suction cup in Rumble mode. That was fun to cross the field with those items
- Adding competitive ranks in Rumble. It was such a fun mod and I feel that adding ranks changed the mindset of players.
- Removing the Rocket Labs maps. I loved the goofy designs, it was a breath of fresh air.
idk but i dont like the extra mode tournaments.
Nah shut up ranked rumble is definitely better. Cope opinion
@@cwill2127they’re for fun why are they competitive
The removal of rocket labs maps always gets me going. Plus they added even more rocket labs maps with heatseeker variants and those aren't even playable in private matches.
@@MarksterC the whole game is for fun. Every video game is. Lmao
I’m over the removal of crates, but the fact that new (dlc) cars went from like 1.5/2 € to 10/11€. Yes they have to make money, I get that, but I miss being able to buy new cars for cheap.
"read the room" poor devin 😭
The worst changes they made imo were limiting the gamemodes you can que at the same time and removing solo standard.
100% I miss for when it was like that I would be bored and just roll the dice of queuing extra modes with other playlists. As well as I preferred to play solo standard over regular 3s.
I still wonder how it is possible that a DLC car costs 1100. For comparison, I originally bought the Delorean for 5 bucks (local currency, of course), but its price now reaches 55. I mean, seriously? I bought the game for 36 on steam...
2:50 The size change is just the tip of the iceberg though. The positions of the hitboxes and their center of mass also shifted and this was huge. I was a Takumi main at the time and all these factors combined resulted in the car feeling so off for me that I ended up switching cars alltogether.
I do agree that standardized hitboxes are probably better in the long run, but at the time it felt like shit to have your car changed. Like, if they make you use the Octane hitbox anyways, using the correct model to go with it just feels like the objectively superior choice.
I agree with this, but I feel like standardizing hitboxes is still a horrible move. I know plenty of competitive games that have a pretty small amount of things that you use at high levels, but imagine if League of Legends standardized 10 champs, 2 for each role and made all other characters just visually different. The player base would drop overnight into the ground. I feel like cutting off modes of variety does not help a game grow competitively. Even if at the end of that day it still is just Octane, Fennec, and Dominus players, I never though that was the correct direction to go in.
@@takodahaas8383 you cannot compare rocket league to LoL lmaooo
@@lisandrogarabentos4718 I can compare two large competitive scenes lmaooo
@@takodahaas8383 ...because each of the rocket league cars have different abilities, speeds and roles, like each of LoL champions have?
@@lisandrogarabentos4718 Different turning radius', different hitboxes. And I am comparing their competitive aspects, not saying their the same game at all.
I think the free to play update was easily one of the worst since it made it a lot easier for people to make multiple accounts to either Smurf or cheat or whatever and not worry about getting banned since they can just make a new one.
I would it if they had separate game modes for solo queueing or party queuing as well because a lot of the games I’ve played recently where there is a party is almost always someone getting boosted by a higher level player. Sometimes you even get 2 higher level players just straight up smurfing together for no reason
Yep, solo queuing against teams is a nightmare nowadays and smurfs are everywhere.
The crates were predatory so they needed to go but Epic absolutely jacked up prices to crazy levels. Used to be able to get cars or simple cosmetics for $1-2 worth of keys, maybe $5 for something somewhat nice. The cheapest things with blueprints were like $5 for crap tier items, $10 for anything decent, and $20-$25 for anything actually nice. Sure they cut that in half but it was still wayyyy too much.
I remember there was a post on reddit when the prices first dropped. It stated "Calling it now, in a couple weeks they'll reduce the price and apologize for the high prices, but the prices will still be insanely high for regular items. It'll just look better because of the original price increase. Don't fall for it. Don't buy items."
Sure enough...
This
While I agree with sledge that epic didn’t change systems bc of greed but lawsuits, they based the new princing purely on greed 😂
Worst thing is new players didn’t knew about how ridiculous the new prices were and have been already indoctrinated by Fortnite to accept 10 bucks for a skin
It’s a waste of money unlocking most blueprints. You can usually find items for significantly cheaper from traders.
@pfizerpricehike9747 Public Company tries to make money isn't that controversial though. They ain't a charity 😅
It's still hilarious to me that they were so greedy that they got shit on for REMOVING loot boxes
Pretty amazing to fuck up that monumentally but even more amazing that it's still not half as bad as Overwatch
I still don't like the voting system.
There is no casual game mode really .
Gone are the days where you could flop around trying to freestyle, people would zoom in and out until you found like minded people and then you'd play for ages.
4 months later and we now have estimated queue time which is even less useful than good great amazing
I didn’t know casual bans were a thing and I’ve been playing since the beta lol.
I quit casual when I don’t have time to run ranked before the tourney so I’ll join a casual and then quit a min before the tourney starts. But that’s about the only time I play casual too so that makes sense.
The one that really grinds my gears and makes no sense whatsoever is getting a matchmaking ban for leaving a comp 1v1. It gives the generic "Leaving matches hurts your teammates" BUT WHAT TEAMMATES DO I HAVE IN A 1V1?!?
Just had the thought of a potential way a reset could be done to better help fix ranking:
All players in the first tier of a rank group, ie: Plat 1, Dia 1, Champ 1, get put to 1 game below that rank in the third tier of the rank below. Bronze 1s obv will just stay Bronze 1 cause can't go lower.
All players in the second and third tiers of a rank group all get put 1 game into the first tier of the rank group.
SSLs get put 1 game into GC2 to still keep them ahead of the last season's GCs but still need to work their way back up to SSL for the new season.
All placements must be done solo and no split screening.
This could help take boosted players who were diamond who got carried to high champ, back to the bottom of champ, and if they can't hold up with actual champs, will fall back to diamond due to forced solo q.
This could also help in detecting boosting if after someone does placements, if they are detected to ONLY or PREDOMINITLY party up and their rank goes up several ranks, then its easy to see that they are being boosted by the people they are partied with, since they couldn't rank up much while solo, but suddenly with other people, they can climb the ranks with ease.
the ONLY bad thing they changed was the removal of random painted items from Rocket Pass. I mean they could have made it that its random for every player, but you can see what you are getting for yourself. In f2p season 1-2 it was still random for every player without it showing what you'd get, while that was very much fun, it was kind of unmotivating as you wouldnt know if its worth grinding one more level or not, but it was also qualifying as gambling lowkey so i can understand why its not a case anymore.
And as to that my idea is, the Rocket Pass painted rewards should be **random for everyone** but it should show what you are getting, with a few levels (maybe every 10th) being the same significant item for everyone.
I think it's ridiculous they consider the pass as gambling. Its not. You spend a set amount of credits and earn random painted items depending on how much you play. What they should've done is removed the option to buy tiers. Because that's where the gambling is. Rocket pass is ruined now but because its technically only cost me 1000cr for every pass since RP1, I keep buying it. Otherwise I would stop now.
Also, surprised the MMR number not being visible anymore was not mentioned in this video. That was definitely controversial, it's a neat bit of lore that it was ever visible in the first place but I know many people prefer to see it and effectively revert it themselves with bakkesmod. Such an option is not available for players on other platforms, though.
Decent idea I didn't think of. It was there for such a short time, only the first season I believe. Personally I remember not being too bothered by it, but there was probably some backlash (I didn't really go on the subreddit back in those days).
@@Rocket_Sledge In 2015 I was in the prime of my life to care too much about tiny things. I was starting my junior year of high school.
It wasn’t that controversial considering that League of Legends had already done the same thing with their ranking system long before Rocket League semi-copied it. As long as players at the top rank can see MMR, then it’s fine not being able to see it as an average player. It can be considered an incentive for hitting the top rank even.
@@matKilla9801 I can only tell you what I remember from being involved with the community at that time, which is that it was controversial and many people wanted it reverted back and were asking why it was changed in the first place. I don't know if my memory is exaggerating the frequency of these posts when the update happened or if the frequency of those posts was representative of the opinions of more than the subreddit at the time
Just an FYI, that's not quite correct. Because you _can_ see your MMR, but only if you're GC1 or higher. But the main thing to say is that if you were below GC, it was _never_ visible. You may be thinking of Legacy Season 1 in 2015, but this wasn't MMR. It was "Rank Points" which very loosely followed your MMR value. They did away with this system for several reasons. The first is how unintuitive it felt for rank points movement. New placing accounts would gain less rank points than they subtracted, especially if they were meant to rise in rank. You could have the MMR of the highest rank in the game, but be 2-3 ranks lower. It would take forever for Rank Points to catch up to your MMR.
And sure, if you want to draw parallels loosely and just say "make MMR visible now" that's cool. But wanted to bring forth accurate information about what actually happened, since MMR was never visible. Whether it's a good idea to make MMR visible, I don't know. Normally, I would say the reason for not doing so is the same as Psyonix's, where people stress out too much about rating movement over a single game. But many, many people including myself use BakkesMod and RocketLeagueTracker anyway. On top of that, the bot situation is likely to result in anti-cheat which would very likely make BakkesMod unusable, so it would be perfectly fine to make rating visible to all players if BakkesMod ceases to function.
As a casual only player, overall the casual bans were a net positive for the casual playlist. But it is still annoying that you can't leave without getting penalties if your tm is throwing, or you gotta leave the match to join up with friends. And you don't particularly want to keep them waiting for 5min...
They should let you leave at like a 8 goal difference or something, ive had it a couple of times that a throwing team mate held me hostage for the whole match
The reason I don't like them removing crates is that they replaced them with the free drops which have really ruined black market prices, I remember trading a few years back, having a black market was something to flex about and I was very proud when I managed to trade to one. Now pretty much all non-painted black markets are below 100-400 credits and in extremely low demand. The removal of the crates was obviously not the sole contender to this as the entire trading community has become more fixated on painted wheels and octanes. I stopped trading about a year ago because I felt like everyone just wanted the same items and it became really dull just flipping the same items for way too small margins.
Biggest roadblock I find in rank up is when I finally make it to a new tier, I get 3 games in a row with an afk, griever, leaver or boosted teamates. The old 1 step forward and 2 backwards.
Kuxir's reddit post about the batmobile was legendary. Wasn't in the patchnotes and the devs didn't even realize something had changed with the batmobile's suspension calculations, but he could tell something was off.
That's not _quite_ true. They knew exactly what happened, they just didn't expect it to make any noticeable difference. To be specific, they created a new hitbox preset called "Plank" and based it on the Batmobile hitbox. More specifically, I think they used the Mantis' hitbox which was based on but not a 100% copy of the Batmobile. Then after standardization, they moved the Batmobile into the Plank preset. When Kuxir complained, they reverted the Batmobile completely out of the preset. It stayed like that for quite some time until a year or two later where they just decided to make all planks the Batmobile hitbox anyway, getting rid of the "Plank" preset. It's now technically the "Batmobile" preset.
@@HoraryHellfire Ah! My memory's timeline was quite a bit off then. For some reason I thought the batmobile stayed unique for a bit before becoming the plank, and that somewhere in unifying the other hitboxes, it had effected the bat, then Kux' post, etc -- the batmobile -> plank and back having come slightly later. Makes much more sense seeing the actual timeline lol. Thanks for the correction, Horary, always a student of the game. Cool seeing you around, hope you are doing well these days :)
8:13 this is why an idea I have would be a revearse reset so everyone starts at the highest rank and as they go through placements those who win get to stay while those who lose slowly drop back down into the rank they belong. So true most would lose their first couple matches that would still leave the higher/better players above while the lower ranks start actually playing against and with eachother until they reached their own respective rank and because of how the season rewards settings go by the end of any of your placements you'd still only have a bronze season reward.
This would be worse than a hard reset, lol. Also, it wouldn't be able to function with the current system.
I wanna see a mod that turns hit boxes of the cars to the cars design instead of just a box
I really appreciate the standardized hitboxes (even though I am a fennec/octane main), but the time when the Merc was an octane body was a sad one. It just didn't feel /big/ like it used to. When they reintroduced it I was so happy, and now I actually use it from time to time and have a friend who swears by it. It just feels so right
I had a friend stop using the Merc probably because that update and recently got back into it. I have sworn by the Masamune for 6yrs now and am kinda surprised still when I see someone else rocking it.
I think a good way to deal with casual bans is to have 3 gamemodes like siege does. have a casual mode where people can leave no consequence. whatever happens happens and nobody can complain bc its casual. then have an unrated mode. this mode is for more serious players who want to play competitive games to the end, but dont want the gams to count toward or against their competitive mmr. i can see a lot of players using unrated for warmups before grinding a ranked session. leaving without ff is punished bc unrateds are supposed to be a more competitive environment. then finally, there's competitive which would basically exist as it does now.
They (Psyonix) make mistakes like anyone else but they do seem to do most of it out of thought for the community in the end... Some games really lack that kind of backing so it is nice to see still!
Awesome video, Sledge!
The only thing I've got to say about the new banning system, I've gotten banned for leaving a comp 1v1 game too quick. I got scored on like 7 times by a Smurf and I couldn't see why you'd get a ban for leaving a 1v1 game. Kinda stupid.
I miss the old ranks :(
Being honest a good way to replace blueprints is allow you to make them into drops(5 of the same series blue print = that series in drop form)
ngl casual bans is what BROUGHT me to casual. I used to exclusively play comp but I wanted to enjoy the game instead of tryharding 24/7. Not having tm8's leave instantly in cas makes it a viable option to play
Psyonix didn't destroy Casual with the casual ban/mmr set. They made Casual ranked when they added the FF button, rather than having the Leave button.
I'm not big into gaming but I do love rocket league. When they made mac incompatible with online play, it made it impossible for me to play without buying a new computer. I spent $20 on this game back in the day but dropping $1K to play wasn't in the cards. Certainly my least favorite update. I realize I was probably in the minority but imagine if one day they made this game either console only or PC only, I bet you all would be furious.
6:05 seems like a whole new vid with the intro LOL
he probally made a vid just about the reset but it was to short so he just put it in this vid
Not exactly. I actually just had a longer intro for that section in which I explained the differences between soft and hard resets, then started into the story. Cut it out because it was going on for too long and I decided it wasn't needed.
@@Rocket_Sledge oh ok thanks!
it looked a like a whole new intro again
thanks for the response
My pet theory has always been that the hitbox thing is the reason why younger players tend to be so much better than older players. Their brains are more flexible with abstract concepts, so they can instinctively grasp the straightforward ways the hitbox interacts with the ball, despite the visual inconsistency.
But for someone who has 30+ years of life experience, their brain will automatically seek to exploit subtleties. It doesn't matter how many times I've done training with the bakkesmod hitbox feature turned on, I'll still always try to hit the ball with just the very edge of the car model, just can't help myself.
I mained the DeLorean during the change and it felt drastic to me. Now I see why. Looks like it was the one that changed the most.
It took 2 years but eventually it was switched to Dominus. It was even acknowledged as a mistake at the time, not sure why it took so long to fix.
I don't even play rocket league anymore but you're making me want to come back with your well constructed videos. Your voice is also great as well
Thank you!
it just sucks being an og player and looking back while watching this.. Remembering the conversations me and the boys would have about the hit boxes.. and the excitement every time a new crate would drop and the rush to play matches till one of us got one…. AHHHH Mannnnn…. good ol days.
I don't know how you gather this much data but the hit box differentials was pretty eye opening
One of the other changes with standardized hitboxes was that several cars turning radii changed. I also seem to remember there being a time when the batmobile was first introduced that it would be first to the ball during kickoffs...probably adding to the list of reasons for a better car standardization system.
They changed for the better. Most cars that were standardized had shit turning radii, the Scarab is the prime example. Others were not largely effected enough. Also, turning radii is actually a poor indicator. The most important is the turning responsiveness which is a separate measurement which was not done until way later in like 2017/2018 by Halfway_Dead (Rocket Science here on YT). At which point, standardizing them improved it.
0:00 - Intro
0:39 - Sponsor
1:19 - Hitbox Standardization
3:59 - Crates
5:58 - Hard Rank Reset
8:13 - Casual Bans
10:23 - Online Player Count
11:40 - Outro
Copy-Pasting to the description so it will add these as chapters in the time line. Thank you!
@@Rocket_Sledge 👍
i do miss crates. i understand why epic got rid of them, but i miss them. watching jonsandman do crate openings/crate wars was such a vibe.
5:21 I always find this hilarious, epic acquired psyonix hoping to make good profit in the long term, only to have to pay for their problem too in addition of their own lol.
Solid video as always, sledge.
I have wonder how that went down, huge unexpected bill? Or was it made a part of the sale as they knew it was coming?
I didn't play before the hotbox update, but it just makes sense to have the hotbox fit the car visually.
They wanted to avoid a competitive advantage, but it just meant people picked the best seeming choice and put the hours in to learn the hitbox.
It Absolutely did create a one car meta
It would be really inconsistent though. Players complained in the beta because the ball would fly weirdly if it hit a strange part of the car as the hitboxes were accurate
I remember the unique hit boxes and some cars I couldn't use because the front of the car had uneven surfaces and would get hits going off in a weird direction.
The ban is good. Before it, I joined a game that was already 2 minutes in. People constantly leaving and joining. Most casual games never had their original 6 people in it. That sucks. Takes the flow away.
Leaving a casual match that I accidentally queued in to go regroup with my party and then getting a 5min ban from that is insanely dumb.
What about when they removed the ability to mute specific people in a match, its not a world ending change but it was annoying anyway. For example im the kind of person who only mutes people if theyre being annoying/spamming/toxic, and i liked being able to mute the specific people who were the problem, but now i have to mute all. Especially since even reporting players doesn’t mute them, having that come back would be great, as even just a convenience/partial work around for toxicity. Again its not gonna end the world or likely even make people stop playing but its just a nice thing to have.
The dominus is a problem because the front of the car literally doesn't fit into the hit box
Oh shit! Didn't expect to load up Rocket Sledge and have him highlighting my reddit comment out about Casual Bans! Kinda freaked me out. We make comments, and you kinda figure they're just being sent out into the ether, no one actually seeing them. I guess not! Thanks!
Which one were you, a positive or negative example? LOL. Based on your name I guess you might be Nik Tesla?
@@Rocket_Sledge Yep, Nik_Tesla. Thanks for taking the time to look through those comments, it wasn't exactly at the top or highly upvoted. It was just driving me insane that people were so upset about casual bans, and it felt like their "I got banned because I had an emergency" arguments weren't in good faith.
The biggest problem with the loot box change was not just blueprints.
When we get a BP now we have to pay to use it. Before we would get cool stuff to actually use without paying to use it. About half as much as current BPs that we get but we didn't have to pay.
Prime example is ftp users with over 1k hours that have never spent a dime on the game have very basic looking cars.
Back in the hayday we ask had something cool because psyonix gave it for just playing.
Also after epic bought the game they changed the match maker.
Before epic we never had random match 7 to 15+ win and loss streaks. I spent 3 seasons at D2 to D3 avg and was starting to get champ matches. After epic I dropped to D1. I'm now back up to D3 avg and even got champ rewards last season. I've increased in skill a boatload since epic purchased. We get too many players that should be 2 ranks or more above or below current rank and it throws everything.
Also if you are d3 avg in 2v2 and 3v3 but are say plat 1 in 1v1 and spend 3 hours playing 1v1.... Watch your 2v2 and 3v3 ranks tank top D1 cause the MM thinks you should be plat.
I dont leave often during matches in fact I'm usually the one sticking around longer bc my tm8s wanna leave after one goal but its not consistent with me. Sometimes i can leave and be fine with 4 min left and other times i cant leave when we are down by 4 and there are 40 sec left just bc one tm8 decides not to ff and I'm stuck sitting there. I think it doesnt cause a lot of leavers but it causes a lot of ppl to throw on purpose like doing nothing for 2 min or scoring on themselves instead of helping.
Very well made video. As someone who's been in the community since the beginning, it's always funny how stupid we look in hindsight 😂
That did seem like the running theme. We also regularly get to watch it happen live too. It will never end.
Biggest issue I have with the game currently is the weekly missions and free ones "requiring" certain playlists to complete. I can't stand casual or a couple of the extra modes. Would be better to keep it more open to all game modes imo
Here are something I get annoyed with. When I play my ranked match and somewhat get disconnected, they placed a banner that said "You left the game. 5 minutes ban.". It gets me not only mad but disappointed on how their system works without knowing that some players may disconnect.
i've thought the same thing. I either get disconnected or i leave because my ping was at 800... and then i'm punished for the bad connection to the server they gave me. Should be easy enough to track ping and identify a disconnect as separate from a true forfeit
@@williamdowling7718 That's a good development for the game, instead of having "Have you disconnected: Yes or No?" question.
@@williamdowling7718 The servers are very stable the vast majority of the time so getting disconnected is almost never because of the server. Unless you live in SAM or SE-Asia which do have worse quality servers.
The system _does_ do that. If you have disconnected the game recognizes it and asks if you want to reconnect. However, you will get banned if you don't reconnect before the remaining players forfeit the game.
There is issues with reconnecting after crashing though. Crashing doesn't despawn your car so if you relaunch the game you have to wait until your car despawns and it says you leave the game, then you can reconnect. If you try to reconnect before, you won't be able to and you will get banned.
@@HoraryHellfire "bad connection to the server" is not synonymous with "bad server".
I didn't say the servers are bad. I said the user shouldn't be punished for a faulty connection mid game.
really appreciate all of the numbers and visuals in this video, makes the content way easier to digest imo
Thank you!
the hitbox thing was just for not being a pay to win game infact the new free to play players only have 1 car for hitbox(at the start) and is actually a great thing if applied well, but the fact is that hit box are not clipped well on the model, and some cars have a wrong hitbox based on the extetic, some just don t fit the hit box.
Then the blue print and shop update also is good cause lootbox are just bad, but actually the only thing wrong are the price, always or at least often is more cheap trade with player then buy from the shop/build a blue print expecially for black market items, they have to add a trade server for standardize the price and stick the shop prices with the player trade prices
A car you left off of your list was the Jager. It was my favorite vehicle, after the hitbox patch I couldn't use it anymore. It went from my favorite to the "hybrid or Dominus hitbox". I can't play with anything other than Octane hitbox anymore....and I hate not being able to use my favorite cars because of the update. RIP all the money I spent for the DLC cars and everything. Look at the Jurassic World Jeep and tell me that car makes any since with it's hitbox.
Estimated queue time would be so much more useful than seeing "good" and then waiting anywhere between 0 and 40 minutes for a match.
I don’t know what should be done, but the current state of 1’s is not good in the middle ranks. I’m c2-3 (depending on game mode) but my 1’s rank is currently d2, and I get players who are just so much better than me I can’t possibly win. Said players normally have a gc title and play much better than any player I’ve ever queued with outside of the last few months of 1’s, so I am quite certain these are gc’s who haven’t played 1’s in months, or longer, and are just coming back after getting gc in other mode(s). I just want to be a new d1-2 player again, lol.
the worst thing is when the game doesn't update as they never do
The worst update was when they made me always get bad teammates
ofc. and when they removed the benefits of buying crates and keys (or later items and credits) xD
the height of the marauder hitbox was different, and afaik the wheels and center of mass were moved on a lot of cars making them feel different throughout. The changes mostly weren't gamechangching, but i fell like saying it's a 3 UU chsnge does not reflect the real issues imho. Correct me if I am wrong in this part.
an update that sucked balls was the latest supersonic-update.. im so glad they removed it
I feel like I was in the minority of those excited for the casual bans to be implemented. Casual is a playlist meant for fun/training purposes while giving you a challenging game with similarly skilled players and the ONLY way to rank up in this mode was to have a full 5 min game with bots playing for no more than like a minute of the game. Anything more and neither team would gain/lose any mmr. So, in practice, I'd have to win close to 75% of my games just for a chance of ranking up due to how many people quit when the first thing upsets them. I became skeptical on this update when I saw the community backlash, but I had hopes that the changes were going to be overall good. And I can say today that, to me, this was a very welcoming change for the casual playlist and has vastly improved my casual game experience.
its casual...there is no "rank" . sure there is an mmr but again. its casual. NO OTHER GAME DOES THIS
@@PlayPodOG are you insinuating that no other game has a casual playlist that utilizes an mmr system for fair matches, or are you trying to say that no other game bans/punishes people for quitting a casual game? Either way, there are plenty of other games that do both. For example, one of the most popular games, League of Legends, has both a casual mmr and will ban players for quitting a casual game.
Right now im in 2s 1650 mmr and i think that a hard reset is needed so bad too, to fix the matchmaking and balance of skilllevels... For example sometimes I get teammates i am able to work with and may lose or win but at least i had a m8 to play a solid game, or there are games where i have literally champ 2 m8s... its unbalamced and horrible because I can never predict which kind of player i am playing with
I think an issue is not getting a bot when your teammate leaves in competitive
5:58 I feel like we need a hard reset now as the average rank is diamond 2 which is absurd I feel like gold 2 should be the 50% mark
The controversy over the casual bans still gets to me. It was the greatest change Psyonix ever made to the casual matchmaking. The people whining about the casual bans were the exact people that created the problem that the bans were solving.
These whiners were the type to leave casual matches the moment they started losing. They would just abandon matches to find/start a new one at the first sign of a challenge. They became such a big problem, that it got to the point where practically every casual match had 4+ leavers. It was practically impossible to have good complete matches in casual because of these children leaving constantly. If you have to leave for an emergency in the new system, you won’t even really be punished for it too. It’s only the children that were “negatively” impacted by this change. They need to just grow up and get over it.
Careful, you will find people still whining about it in this comment section too.
imagine thinking its as black and white as "anyone who doesnt like the update is a child and needs to grow up"
there is more to having a good time in rocket league than playing a full five minutes without anyone leaving the match
@@dragonx23123 There is. But it's basic sportsmanship not to leave games just because you get scored on and ruining the match. This was 70% of Casual matches. Now, an "unfun" Casual match happens much less. Yes, there are throwers now, but at a lower rate than leavers who ruined the matches.
And yeah, I would say most people who don't like the change are childish. It's objectively better for the mode than it was before and targets serial leavers. Coming up with fan-fiction to explain how this could affect a person is childish. If you _are_ affected, that kinda sucks, but you can't expect the world to revolve around you and the niche situation where your internet is bad most of the time or your life is a hellish toss-up of what thing pops up at any moment.
Hitboxes - completely agree, should be standardized and yes the match to the model is sometimes strange.
Crates - nothing to debate, as a whole the gameworld and especially the freemium game industry needed to be put in their place with regards to gambling. So many way to young kids but also adults being lured in.
Reset - There are other ways than hard resets or psyonix's version of a soft reset as the current soft reset system is broken aswell, considering last season reset you had pro's ending up in low gc or even champ here and there. There's no reason to lower everyone's MMR by a 100, if anything it should probably go up instead of down during a soft reset. But you can hard reset per rank, or give players a choice to be reset or not. It's as bad as the nonsense anti-carry, which makes everyone just create second accounts, because no one can play with friends more than 1 rank apart anymore.
Casual - loved this from the moment they did it! Casual was horrible before now at least it's tolerable.
Player count - yes they should have removed it all together. Psyonix has this strange fear of sharing information abou what they are up to (we REALLY need a dev question hour every month or so) but both player numbers and "amazing" add absolutely zero. Just gives people something to whine about.
Thanks for the watching and giving your thoughts! Agreed, better soft resets or maybe a rank decay would be useful!
I have about 1k hours in rocket league but I mainly stopped playing after all the bad/controversial updates leading up to and after f2p. It just seemed like pysnoix didn't care about their community anymore. I still play occasionally but definitely not as much as I used to
I think hit box standards are fine but I wish each body had some differences so teams could build a different style of play.
I’d like to see defensive players use the Merc for example because balls shot at it bounce farther. Or the Takumi was faster but took weaker shots, maybe it would be used for dump and chase plays. Maybe the Dom was harder to demo but a little slower etc.
I stopped playing casual because of the ban system. but hear me out: I would play casual because I wanted to have fun and play without hurting my rank trying to test out mechanics I'm learning to be able to see how viable they are at my current skill level in an actual match. that said, if I'm 0 - 5 in the first 30 seconds and can't even touch the ball any time after kickoff, I'm not staying. I stay in ranked because if I don't, it'll in my opinion hurt my pride and my rank more than if I left. (with small and very few exceptions). but casual, if I know it's a hopeless match for me, I'm going to leave. but I can't do that anymore with that damned update, which has also discouraged me from trying to get better at new mechanics, because if I try to do them in a ranked match, I'm just going to get de-ranked because I don't have a good enough handle on it yet. I completely understand the reasoning behind the changes, but... why does it have to affect 1v1s in the first place?? like, it's a 1v1... great... they are kicking my ass and I'm by myself. the only person I'm affecting besides myself is my opponent, and I'm giving them a win and a short queue time. not really a big deal at all.
The casual ban is somewhat understandable cuz before that my record of random teammates in one game was 7 and now not many people just leave randomly anymore
We used to team up and count the number of teammate rotations the other team went through as we annihilated the scoreboard. Getting more than 10 points on the board, we could see equally as many opponents quit the match. I think our record was 14 opposing quits.
The term sh*tsh*w comes to mind.
funny how people still complain about casual leaving. It's a massive problem still with the bans in place. can barely play a full game some days because people feel like this is the mode that when youre not instantly leading, you can leave and try again. now you just have a lot of people leaving after 1:30 which still sucks, but atleast youre not qeueing for 10 seconds of gametime every time you dont want to sweat in ranked.
I never queue for casual games unless I can't due to rank differences with my team. Even before this patch.
1. Because there's still a ban for casual
2. Ranked games are consistently better games and matchups, where in casual it's a crapshoot if I get trash players or freestylers.
Therefore when it's Friday night and am I'm drinking, y'all get drunk me in ranked.
Casual literally has no reason to exist anymore IMO and people need to realize that it's all in their head anyway.
Losing a casual game feels no different than losing a ranked one, yet we try to trick ourselves when initially queuing for it. Just to be let down when you win because it was casual and let down when you lose, for the same reason.
*I will not miss the days of seeing a teammates leave the game just to be brought back to the same game.*
_Quick story_
Was getting crushed in casual with some randoms, one of the guys left the game and returned like 7 or 8 times... somewhere in this we manage to score making it 9 to 1 and often someone on the winning team leaves..... and guess who the matchmaking put in to replace him? Yeah, our original teammate, he all dancing on the winning screen and spamming "gg" "close one". lmao
I don't think a hard reset is the answer as it takes too long to rebalance. I do however want the season resets to feel more impactful, would be cool if winning all 10 actually put you 2 rank tiers higher for instance so then you can see if you belong up there and if not eventually you'll get put back down. idk if that would actually help or not though but as a champ 2/3 i play against people who from 1 game to the next feel like vastly different ranks and i wonder if if giving the good players a chance to get out of this rank and the bad players in the other direction might fix that. or it will make the problem worse. probably that but i still want to try.
"Better" soft reset would help. But the thing is, any major change will most likely require a clean slate to actually work, and then you are back at the full skill wipe situation.
@Rocket Sledge I'm sure there's some middle ground between what we have now and the highest mmr after 10 wins being gold 3. Keep the total mmr distribution the same give a long period of time where each win/loss has a big mmr change like placements are supposed to do. I can't see any solution having 0 chaos as that's kind of the point.
I have no idea how RL works under the hood, but a ranking should keep track of more than just the rank of the player, meta data of the confidence level of that ranking could easily be tracked. If we have a high confidence that your rank is accurate you win/lose fewer points each game. If you beat somebody higher ranked than you your confidence level is lowered which means we don't know if you have an accurate ranking so we move your ranking number more. Soft resets can then keep the rank number but completely discard the confidence level allowing for much greater movement at the start of the season allowing you to get to your correct rank quickly. This could equally be applied if you haven't played for a while, holiday or something, we can lower your confidence level which might get you to your correct rank quicker, if it has changed, but you lose nothing if you are still as good as you've always been. I wrote too much, sorry for the long winded reply.
@@FuzzyLogic0 Rocket League does have a confidence value. It has four values: Mu, Sigma, MMR, and Skill Rating. The last two are essentially the same just at different scales. Mu is the "perceived skill" value. Sigma is the "uncertainty" value. MMR is the value that your matchmaking is based off of, and Skill Rating is the visible value on leaderboards and trackers, but is linearly scaled with MMR (essentially the same). Sigma starts at a high value of 8.333 and caps down to a minimum of 2.5. It scales the movement of the Mu value, so the higher the Sigma, the faster Mu will move. Each game played will drop the value of Sigma, increasing the game's confidence in your rating. This is why smurf accounts can place into Diamond 2/Diamond 3 with 10 wins in a row due to the high uncertainty. It takes roughly 60-120 games played in that playlist for Sigma to cap.
Nothing raises Sigma except Soft Resets though. Soft resets raise it by 0.5 or 1.0 up to a maximum of 3.5. This makes soft resets more efficient and placing where people belong.
I agree with hitbox updates. It just made Rocket League into Octane/Fennec League. RLCS is becoming so boring, because it's everyone using the same cars/designs/etc.
Millions of possible car/decal/boost/trail combinations, and the top 100 players use the same exact cars, designs, etc. Very few hitboxes match actual car design now, and thus all pros gravitate towards the cars thay best fit the limited hitboxes.
Bring back individual car hitboxes, and introduce a bit of variety to the RLCS scene.
Octane is not the "best fit" of the limited hitboxes. There are cars that are objectively more accurate than the Octane. Bringing back individual car hitboxes will not get people off the Octane either. Hitbox standardization was implemented to get people off of it, lmao.
Casual bans are stupid, whenever I play against a GC who is just freestyling on me a c1 and my friend a D3 I just leave after 2sec. It’s not fun having to wait 5 to 20 min depending on when I’m stuffed up with the bans…
How would you know he's going to freestyle on you if it's only been 2 seconds?
If you are with a friend you can both just vote to concede after only 1 minute, which should not be that hard to wait for. Especially since it will take at least half that time to know if the opponent is going to be "freestyling on you".
i hate that they removed the psynet profile pictures. literally the dumbest change. now i cant tell if i will be able to communicate with my teammates or not
I never knew about the lawsuit stuff. makes me dislike epic slightly less. great video.
i always thought they changed to blue prints to stop gambling and make more money for epic. I did not know that countries were banning it. Just to clarify.
I found out when you score, you can phase through the goal posts, I tried to show this to a friend and ended up glitching out the map!
It wasn't just the hitbox, it was turning radius
Turning radius differences was an obvious balance issue though, I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain or suggest that we need to go back to having different stats for those.
@@Rocket_Sledge Maybe but it seems like an important part of regularization to mention in the video at least. I'm willing to bet that some of the subreddit posters wanted the turning radius changes to be reverted too. Especially mentioning cars like the takumi, which felt pretty different to play
@@JPK314 fair point.
@@Rocket_Sledge great video as always regardless. Thanks for the high quality, fact-checked entertainment you regularly put out!
The turning radius is a consequence of the hitbox. The physics wheels are placed on the hitbox. It's not a value to tune, but a cause and effect of where the wheels are placed and how big they are.
I think the first 2 are good updates tbh.
Hitbox standardisation just makes sense and it is nice switching between cars that use the same hitbox I find, but I guess that's just my opinion.
Crates going is amazing though, I mean poor John sandman can't make crate opening videos anymore, such a shame, but now people paying so much for keys for a chance at the items they want just doesn't exist and they can just get what they want when they get the blueprint or if it's available in the item shop. This is way more consumer friendly, even if I believe the price of items/credits is way too high the idea is still 100% better than crates and keys.
I quit the game when blueprints were released. It was the update where i realized i was as engaged in the trading scene as the actual gameplay. Its sad because i loved both and just got taken away one. I know they had no choice, I dont blame Psyonix, its just that i couldnt enjoy the game to its fullest anymore.
regarding smurphing and freestylers hanging out in low ranks.. It seems to me that the easy answer is to change MMR based on your score in the game, not just whether you won or lost. If some freestyler wins 12-0 against a silver who never touched the ball once and then forfeits at the end to stay in low ranks... their mmr should be boosted just like it would from a win. a forfeit should end the game, not give you a loss whenever you want one.
That way the only way to stay in low ranks is to ACTUALLY lose the games.
Ok but if ff doesnt remove mmr/removes less whenevr you are about to loose you will just ff
@@dawiva1900 what??? I'm talking about apportioning mmr based on the score of the game and not just whether or not you win or lose or ff.
I'm saying that if you are winning a game by 10 goals and then you forefeit, your mmr should increase as though you won the game. That would make it much much more difficult to artificially remain in a lower rank.
If you're losing a game and you ff, then you should lose mmr just like you would for a loss.
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I think what people are mad about is when you get griefers and you're stuck in a match where it's a 2v4/1v3 and they won't forfeit on purpose, leaving all replays. I have never seen anyone get banned for it.
When you get teammates who actually want to play the game, then casual matches are better than what they were before the update.
Now, it takes me 2-3 minutes to queue for a game in casual, been playing with chat off for 2-3 years and
can not longer solo q to enjoy the game. At least free play is fun
Yeah they really should punish griefing much more harshly than abandoning
Yeah. I mean, wasn't the point of casual to be a place where you aren't committing yourself? You don't have to worry about your rank, you don't have to worry about losing, you don't have to worry about having to leave early. Now, if you go into a game of casual, there is no guarantee that you can leave without being pusnished.
Even worse, by banning people for upwards of several hours, this change encourages people to grief (throw or troll their teamates) so they can leave sooner or so they are entertained while having to wait for the game to end.
@@commander8625 The point of Casual was to be more relaxed and leisure, not 100% non-committal. It's still less committal than ranked, as you get 1 free leave a day and the bans barely escalate. Your point about "banning people for upwards of several hours" only occurs if they are leaving _repeatedly_ , something they deserve _because_ they ruin matches by leaving games.
You do have a guarantee of leaving without being punished. The first leave is free. The second one is only 5 minutes. If you leave and need something to do there's a low chance you'll be done in 5 minutes. The third is only 10 minutes, which is also really low.
@@HoraryHellfire Right, the several hours was exadurated for effect. It seems that we agree that it is less committed than ranked, but still has the elements of committing that remove some of the leisure. It just seems like we have differing opinions on how much is to much.
To me, 1 punishment free leave doesn't seem like enough, since I will never want to use it. What if the next game is even worse? Then should I just accept my fate? Im just never going to use it. Is that a gallacy? Probably. Does it matter to me? No. Maybe it would be better if you had 2 or to per day. Also, the fact that her doesn't tell you that it is free from punishment will always have me nervous. So also maybe if they actually told you when it was free.
Also, I think this draws too much away from the relaxed feeling of casual, since you have to concede, which is basically just forfeiting. It makes casual feel more like ranked, even if the consequences arent as strict. And, that, I think detracts from the experience too much to be worth it.
@@commander8625 Considering that Casual had 70% of games ruined by rampant leavers, I find this solution far more acceptable as someone who often plays Casual and has for years. It even used to be my main mode until it was quite literally unplayable in 2019.
I think that's just a you problem. Not wanting to use your free leave is quite literally not using the tools at your disposal. A tool that can help you have more fun even if it might not work for every match you play. Not sure if it's a fallacy, but it's the same thing as hoarding potions in RPGs. "Got to save them in case I need them" instead of actively using them. Of course, I actually _do_ hoard potions in RPGs, but I don't worry about saving my free leave in Casual.
I don't think giving 2 free leaves is good. It's good for people who want to quit, it's not good for people who want games to be played as intended and finished. Psyonix were targeting people who quit too much.
Really stupid loot boxes are banned in my country, but the goverment does spend 40million euros making gambling ads.
I believe the fix to the hard reset is to make the first season only last a month, and winning all 10 matches to get at most high gold.