CFMOTO PAPIO [USA] TEST RIDE/REVIEW | PAPIO VS GROM VS Z125 | SHOULD YOU BUY? | 2024 CFMOTO PAPIO
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I know it's subjective, but in my opinion the Papio looks so much better than the other mini motos. That alone is enough for me to disregard the few shortcomings it has.
I think the Papio would have a very clean look if some aftermarket Vendors would start producing tail-tidy kits with integrated blinkers and flush mounts signals up front. An exhaust would be nice, and a set of bars with some end-mirrors. Just a few tasteful mods can really clean up the aesthetics of most bikes. Thanks for the comment!
@@Omni_Motonow try the xo-01 model
@@Omni_Motomini moto mayhem…… that’s all you need lolol
Papio’s are being sold in my area for avg of $2000 flat, the grom still going for $3500-4000 all clapped out, for me a papio makes more sense but yeah i agree with what he said, $400 is not a lot of difference if u buying both from a dealer brand spankin new
CFMoto is in partner with KTM
yes
Papio is way cheap here. I can get a new one for around $2,000 the z125 and grom are around $3,600 to $4,000
That's a solid steal for a sweet little mini moto!
I’m late to the party again but one of these little guys are on sale for 2495 what do you think?
Hey, thanks for watching! I think that's a solid price. What other form of reliable fuel-injected transportation could you find for less than $2,500 that also gets 100+MPG?
Keep in mind your ability to commute from where it will reside though. If you live in a fairly densely populated area where you can get anywhere you need to by taking city streets/roads under 100KMPH/60MPH, I'd say pull the trigger on that bad boy!
If you are located further out in a country town where low speed areas are not prevalent, your ownership experience may not be as ideal.
Ultimately, buy it if you can justify it and it doesn't put you in a compromising position. Ride safe. 😎
At my local shop, the wait for a grom is easily 6-8 months and is $3800; the papio is about $1000 cheaper.
This is for a new 2022 model.
Gonna go for the Papio. Nice video showcase.
If it’s readily available and you can save a good chunk of change, go for it!! Ride safe. 😎
Wait times for most bikes are crazy right now. I know people who waited a year just to get a Honda Trail 125 and paid $6K each! With those kind of issues, CFMoto can move some units.
I was gonna say the same, grom is anywhere from 4k to 4200 and the papio at the closest dealer is 3k,
If I get one I’d remove the “o” so I can say “That’s my Papi” 😂
i love it when u call me big papi
I wanna know if I should put a 150 engine in my or not
If you have the mechanical knowledge, desire, and know-how to make it work, then do what makes you happy!
My local dealership has a few of these for 2k out the door
That's an absolutely smashing deal for some cheap thrills
I know this video is a little older but a thought that i had while watching was the prices. I dont know if its the same everywhere, but when I was looking around at some Honda's the dealers were charging ridiculous markups, under the guise of freight and dealer setup/prep...like $2000-2500 markup. I looked at a CRF300L Rally and they wanted almost $9k out the door and were surprised when I told them to pound sand. So if a Grom is more like $5-6k out the door, and CF Moto dealers can keep their fees low, these might be a great buy. There are dealers relatively close to where I live that have brand new 2022 leftovers for right around $2000. If you look nationwide you can find brand new 2022's for $1700...if you're willing to travel.
Here in Chinada the price gap (Grom vs Baboon) is over 1500$ CDN. Not to mention taxes. At this price i'll go with the Papio.
Damn. You heard it here folks, if you’re based in Canada, the Papio is worth it! 💯😆
I will go for the Papio...I watched a video and the guy changed 2 things on the Papio and it made the bike sound way better and go way faster....he did 60 in 8 sec and he did 75mph.....💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Very nice. Get after it! Thanks for watching. Ride safe. 💪😎
30mpg more than the z125. 2 more gears than the z125. Also seems to have a better seat than the z125. Given All those features it's still cheaper than a z125 buy about $300.
Hey man, great input! Lots of good points. If you buy the Z over any of the other minis, I guess you’re really just paying for the name and reputation at that point. If the Papio ever gets some good aftermarket support, we might see them become successful, but being late to the mini-moto trend won’t play in their favor. I hope the Papio succeeds in the end.
@@Omni_Moto out the door it costs almost $1000 less than a Grom in my area. And it's available lol. Really considering buying one. Overall did the quality seem solid?
@@daniellandry9366 CF quality is nothing to scoff at. Sure, it may be a tad lower, but keep in mind they are partnered with KTM and had to meet their quality standards to do so.
I'd say if its available in your area, and you want to save the money, buy the Papio! The engine is noticeably a bit more slouchy in the lower RPMs during the break in period and first few hours of riding, but once your past that, that Papio hangs with the Z/Grom gangs.
No one ever got anywhere by sitting and wondering, so take action, go snag one of these things man! 😁
Not riding on the hiway because I have a Versys X300 ADV ABS that does hiway speeds (75 in TX) at 3000 rpm under redline.
A nearby store (about 2 hour-driving away) has papio for 1699 now. Do you think it's a "good buy" then?
Absolutely! That’s an amazing deal if it hasn’t been laid down. Ask plenty of questions if you inquire about the bike. Ask if it has clean history + clean title. If it’s brand new, I would absolutely snatch it up. That’s a stellar price.
@@Omni_Moto Yes, brand new. It's a bike shop. They also have the 650 Adentura for 2500 off
$1500 sticker price more not $400 it is a big jump.
I don't know how you don't have more subscribers maybe you should do some mini bike giveaways LOL Great video as always thanks for the honest content... ❤️💪🏾💯
Thank you!
I just got a papio for for 2200. A 1,000 cheaper than the grom that’s why I went with it because I’m only going to keep it for a couple years till I get a Harley.
That's a super sweet deal. Very nice! Thanks for watching.
Love your reviews, would like to see your take on the Lifan Kp Mini 150. It's a 150cc bike and about to same size as a grom. I have one and love it and was a 5 speed when all the groms at the time were 4 and was cheaper then a new grom.
If I ever get my hands on one, I will try to make a review. No promises, but it has been noted.
I had a kp mini and got a Honda monkey and would never look back…. Ever
Picked up a z125 used with a whole 24 miles on it for 3k deliver across my state so jumped on that deal but the pappio xo is too cute to ignore so I’m adding that and I get about 100 mpg out of mine so it’s all about after a couple hundred miles the Kawi settled in nicely
Great deal on that Z! The Papio XO is a super-sweet mini with a classy retro look. I really enjoy its visual appeal. Thanks for watching! Ride safe.
I got the papio because of the 6 speed transmission and my dealer was selling it $3500 out the door final price
Sweet deal! The 6-Speed is very nice.
Another great video that’s to the point and entertaining! Keep it up!
Thank you!
As they say, availability is the best ability, and where I am good luck getting thing in stock but CFMoto, SSR, and some dirt bikes. Everything else says "in transit", "preorder", "might be here by January". Not sure what the other mfg are doing, but CFMoto might end up moving a lot of units just because they are available and decent prices plus typically have some extra bells and whistles in the instruments, modes, etc. Really, the only other thing I see around here available in this particular class is a Kymco Kpipe 125 for $2K.
I want to buy a MT03 or Z400 but none in stock here - but the CFMoto 300NK and SS are.... so who knows, I might be a CFmoto owner soon just because.
Highly recommend the 300NK. The CLX-700 Sport and the 300NK are my 2 favorites and I think they feel the best out of the line up IMO.
Go with your gut. Ride safe! Thanks for the comment.
Should be priced at 2499
This was the solution I had in my head after thinking about it a little more. It’s just priced too closely with not enough upgrades/advantages over the Grom/Z.
otd on most are 4200...
I wonder how much throttle this bike or other 125ccs need to not stall? I hear that motorcycles with lower engine torque require more throttle to move
While you're correct in low-torque motorcycles require more throttle in order not to stall, you have to consider other variables like weight/gearing. The Papio is super lightweight, so it most likely has a proportionate throttle ratio to propel it forward without the engine stalling. Also depends on how much you have the clutch pulled in. Hope this is helpful. Thanks for your comment!
Have you reviewed the bintelli beast 150 and the Honda Navi
No, and I don’t work at a dealer where it’s easy to get my hands on stuff like that. If I ever get a chance, I will try! Thanks for the comment.
my local dealership doing an insane deal selling the papio for just 2k before otd.
That's a smoking deal! I would hop on that if you aren't strapped for cash. 😄
What state is that? It might be worth a drive.
Well right now the papio is 1000 less, it's available right now with 3 at 7 diff stores and they have the better color red and grey one what I like is the exhaust is way higher up off the ground then the grom the papio looks waaaaay better im def buying one. And we all know damn well that in 2 months the aftermarket world for these will be perfect.
The aftermarket support is slowly coming around, we’ll get there eventually. If the Papio looks better to you, costs significantly less, and it’s available, go get one man! You’ll have a great time on it because it’s focused on fun. Ride safe. 😎
Hey bud, like your vids. Keep 'em coming. How about a comparison vid btw that CFMOTO 700 CL-X Sport you reviewed and Yamaha MT-07?
Hey, thank you! I am totally up for comparing those two bikes, it will just be a little tough to get my hands on an 07 unless the dealership I works at picks one up at auction or gets one in on trade. It would be a great comparison though. Same HP, but the CL-X is a tad heavier. However, in terms of value, the CL-X brings a lot to the table where the 07 is severely lacking. Ride modes, good brakes, and cruise control being the biggest points.
Source: I owned a 2016 FZ07
@@Omni_Moto I, like many I imagine, worry about the build quality too. You know? In your opinion after riding it do you think it's as good as something like the Yamaha? I'm on the verge of buying one or the other this coming week, that's the reason for the interrogation. 😆
@@evilrobot2401 Do a quick internet search for “CFMOTO KTM” and you’ll find they partnered nearly a decade ago. KTM needed someone to help scale production, so they hit up CF. KTM said they required CF to have increased quality control checkpoints.
In the end, both parties benefitted. CF upped their standards for KTM, which in turn helped CF understand how they could improve their own products, so they did. KTM got to improve manufacturing capacity/capability and cut costs on labor.
CF also had a contract to manufacture many Chinese government fleet vehicles IIRC.
In short, CFMOTO quality is good. I’d say 8/10. There a few tacky things on CF bikes (like the faux carbon fiber on the CL-X), but with the plethora of features, the money you save, and the 2-year warranty (as opposed to 1-year from Big 4) it’s pretty easy to look past that.
CFMOTO is nothing to scoff at, and you should REALLY weigh out the features and benefits of each. Are you paying for features, or are you paying for a name?
No further questions, your honor. 😎
@@Omni_Moto very cool, thanks MissourIAN. 👍🏼
I really like the new Papio CL mini scrambler as far as looks go.
For sure! They also brought inverted suspension to the Papio CL. They probably won't provide tremendous performance enhancement, but it definitely gives the motorcycle a more sporty style in my opinion. Nice to see them offering something outside the norm!
I can’t figure out how I feel about these CF Moto bikes. I want to like them but have a really hard time getting away from the Big 4. Do you think they are worth the small price cut?
Great question! I think some of the bikes in the line-up are good options compared to the big 4. However, the Papio and the 650NK have been the ones I've said not to go for. I think those two options are just too close in price/features to not go for the big 4 offerings. The papio needs a price reduction of about 300-500 to be a considerable option, for me personally. However, if the big 4 options aren't available and someone needs a bike THAT DAY, you can get by with the CFMOTO options. Quick fun fact, in 2012 CFMOTO was approached by KTM to manufacture KTM engines. KTM's contingency was that CFMOTO had to have more quality control checkpoints in order for the partnership to go through. In the end, both ended up benefitting because 1.) KTM got to increase production with cost-effectiveness and 2.) CFMOTO got insight from a big time manufacturer which in turn helped them improve their own quality control.
In short, some CFMOTO bikes are worth grabbing for the value aspect alone, but that value should really be studied by each individual buyer before they pull the trigger on one to make sure it fits their situation and financial comfort.
Do a comparison of the Benelli tnt 135?...!..
If we sold Benelli products I totally would! You never know what we'll get on trade in though. If we get one, I'll do my best to get a review out!
Thanks for the comment!
My z125 last week I got 120 miles on a tank.
With a 2 gallon fuel tank, that's only 60MPG. We can call it 70MPG if you left yourself some room before running completely out of fuel. Even then, that's not great. I just pulled 110 miles from 1 tank with my Grom last week. Come on, Kawi!
I love by B'Boom😅
I don't know what they're thinking. This bike should've been 2499. You would be an idiot to buy this for over a Honda for $400 difference
Except for local dealer markup and tax makes it out the door $3700 at least where I live
I really enjoyed this review. Thank you. You should check out the new 2024 Papio X-O 126.
I saw that little X-O Papio. It looks the part of being a neat machine for sure. It is mostly just a body kit, but it is probably the most unique looking mini on the market. Unfortunately, I don’t think the US consumers will get it. 😕
Glad you enjoyed the review. Thanks for watching!
@Omni_Moto Also, I agree with your assertion that Honda is the way to go.
Great honest review !!! Besides the cost difference of MSRP between the 2 , does CFMoto tack on freight / setup / etc which Honda does , will you save more on that end as well ???
Every OEM has freight/surcharges. Dealerships decide set up/admin charges, and any additional fees. Mostly standard across OEMs for 125cc bikes, right around $300-400ish between Kawi, Honda, and CF. Hope this helps. Thanks for the comment!
@@Omni_Moto most of the cf dealers in my area include it in the price of the bike, where the bigger name brands they say it separately on the sticker price, its a nice gimmick which people have fallen for, i asked one yesterday and they said oh no cfmoto includes it in their price ahead of time.. but their msrp is much higher then cfmotos site
I want it!
When my dad came home, I said hey Papio.
heyo papio
Hey Papi
Got one for my wife and of course I had to ride it home. I'm 6-1 & 220lbs.
At 4k elevation it did very well up to 60 mph on level ground.
After looking at other toy bikes for her I went in on the Papio. The grom is a pup turd, sorry folks. The CFMoto Papios seem pretty easy to tweak. Considering it's air cooled and EFI, a teardown and gasket kit and some internal tweaks and tunes should make it a beast for it's size.
I appreciate the humor in this video. I laughed.😊
I appreciate your comment. Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching! 😎
Between the papio, grom and z125 which one had the smoothest motor? Cf moto Should have made this this a 150-200cc
Honestly they’re all pretty smooth for being single cylinder thumpers. I guess I would need to do a test with each one. My initial answer is Grom, but that’s probably my bias since I own one lol.
@@Omni_Moto thanks for replying! I want a minibike. I'm leaning towards the z125, because of the styling, we'll see.
@@bens6865 Get what makes you happy! The Z and Grom are both so close in comparison, you really can't go wrong. They both have great aftermarket support, which is why I like the Grom so much. Thanks for the comment. Ride safe!
The good thing is, that crappy engine is easy to replace with something much better.
Carb or fuel injected? If you don't cover that, your review can't leave the fail zone.
It is fuel injected. If a street-legal motorcycle in 2022 isn't fuel injected, I don't know that I would even bother with taking a second glance in its direction. Thanks for the input though. 👍
@@Omni_Motolmao have you ever ridden an unrestricted carbureted bike? I don't think so because they're deadly fast compared to fuel injected not as responsive to start but way faster imo
@@freerage Have you ever tried to start a carbureted bike after it's sat for an entire winter with old fuel in the lines?
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Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Anyone who escaped alcatraz deserves a grom clone ..🤔
Thank you.
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if the papio has all the functions of the "cfmoto ride app" you should take that into consideration for if the bike is worth it or not. I dont know if it has the app functions. If it doesnt i agree. if you can get a grom without additional markup get it. However if you have access to all the app features i would probably have to say good buy!
Great thoughts, but as far as I know the application doesn’t pair with the Papio since it doesn’t have the TFT display. I could be wrong, and I honestly haven’t tried it so maybe I’ll see if it does have that functionality. That’s a huge feature if so that could tip the scales in favor of the Papio for those looking!
@@Omni_Moto They are pretty unclear right? They need a much more clear yes or no. But if you go to their website under the customer care tab and select the ride app from there watch the video at one point the bottom of the video it does list the papio. Theres some nice features on that app. seeing its location being the best to me personally. Cost of tracking devices can add up pretty quickly adding a LOT of value here. The owners manual wasnt much help either though page 121 mention it.
@@croutoncrusader I’ll try to remember to check on this at some point. Will make an effort to update you lol
Update? @@Omni_Moto
please gps confirm top speeds.
Can a passenger ride on this bike?
Hey, sorry for the late reply! Great question. The Papio, Grom, and Z125 all have passenger pegs to accommodate a 2nd rider on the back. It's a little tough to do and it's pretty cramped, but it's totally possible! Thanks for the comment.
My gosh you are damn funny! I absolutely can’t believe they sell them in the States where every road is almost dead straight & you have the biggest 4x4’s
Steve! Your comments are always so genuine and pleasant. Thank you for your continued support! I know here in the US we have an abundance of oversized stuff (brains not being one of them) but with the way gas prices are rising here in the US, these small-displacement bikes become more and more attractive! Especially for the BIG 4X4s you mention which usually get around 15MPG (on a good day). Buying a Papio, Grom, Z, whatever it is, practically pays for itself if that big 4X4 is your main mode of transportation and is just guzzling gas every time you need to do a quick run to town. At that point, you'd have to do a long-term cost-benefit analysis to see exactly where it would pay itself off, but it would not take very long considering it gets nearly 8x the fuel mileage of most 4X4 vehicles.
Hope that gives you something to think about! You've also given me another excellent idea for a future video. Thanks Steve!!! Have a great week my friend, and ride safe!
@@Omni_Moto absolutely you deserve 1M subs! You are a funny bloke!
Can you do a review on the MT-07?
If our dealership gets one in on trade I can do a review on the MT-07. I’ve already owned one so it won’t be first impressions, but I’d love to review it.
First, Papio go brr
Second, I like how it does 0-40 faster than 40-60, lol.
Third, consider this: the Honda absolutely has a better reputation (there's a reason Honda is the best-selling Japanese brand in the United States), but right now with the chip shortage and supply chain issues, it's hard for Honda to get bikes to dealers. My local dealer carries Honda, Kawasaki, and CFMoto, but they have no Z125s in stock (they had a single one at one point) and no Groms. If you want a Grom where I live, they're only available if you order one and wait. But they have 3 Papios on the showroom floor, and if you don't want to wait months and months, it's a pretty good option over a Grom. Reliability and resale may not be there like they are for the Honda (although used Grom prices are ridiculous), but not having to wait is worth a lot for some people. Just my $.02.
Jury is still out in reliability. Haven’t read enough on them from the euro side to know how they hold up.
Time will tell. ⏰
I looked at the papios in person today. There were 5 on the showroom floor. Bright yellow and red. Almost got one but the wife says wait til next paycheck
@@motoross9237 It has been 1 month. Did you make any progress on a Paio?
@@Omni_Moto I found something more sweet! The SRU170 🥰🤩
@@Omni_Moto purchased mine from the local store for $2500
Thanks for the review!
Thanks for watching!
Let's get you 1000 subs!!!!
LFG!!!
I agree. If it was 1k cheaper then it's a buy. But 400 I'm getting a grom all day
1st time here. Just subbed. Have u did video on the Benli 135 I think it is?
Yep! Benelli 135 video is in my “should you buy series” playlist. 👍
Hey dude ur videos are fkn hilarious man !! I'm enjoying the comedy factor lol refreshing indeed 😄
Try to keep it concise, funny, and entertaining. Sometimes I miss the mark, but none of us are perfect I suppose 🤷♂️ . Thanks for tuning in!
The Papio is a 126cc not 125
hey you did not said if it's fuel injected,.. is it???
It is.