No to the Stout. Tundra is the truck form of the 300 series Tacoma is the Truck form of the new 250 series Stout will be the truck form on a Rav4 Obviously this isn’t how Toyota markets this stuff, but it’s as close of an explanation as you get get.
This is a great competitor for the Wrangler. Especially for people like me, in my 40s, with kids, still want to go off road, but don’t want to have 4 cars in the garage. This is literally the first Toyota ever that I am interested in. Well done. Also, great content.
@@IndependenceOverland I just sold my 23 JLUR for a 24 because of the rear air bags being added. When these come out, I’ll definitely go take a look. I think the GX may be a better option. 10 speed vs 8 and a TTV6 vs hybrid T4. Plus they’ll offer an “off road” version from the factory. Also, thanks for taking care of the trails man. I watched your hour and a half long video yesterday, and that was great content. Hard to make an entertaining video that long but you did a great job. The production value was great. Keep it up and be safe! I’m looking forward to your video!
3rd on the list at my dealership. Will be keeping my almost 5 year old alucab canopy camper for extended trips and the LC for shorter trips and getting to remote backpacking trail heads.
Since they went to the lift up talgate I wish they had adopted the 4Runner rear window. Everyone loves it. The popoout window feels so flimsy without a frame.
LC Prado is as tough off-roader as the full size LC, just without as many luxury options and high price tag. It is a proven platform sold in our region since decades (Middle East).
And the Prado is, in essence, no different, separate Land Cruiser at all. It is just one of the various models that the legendary 40 series branched out into when it was discontinued in the early 80's, just as did the current LC300, as a "Station Wagon". So, technically there can't be a "real" Land Cruiser and a "less real" one. The different models and versions of them are just aimed at addressing different market segments, and the different customer needs which have evolved over the years.
I got to play around with some 70 series trucks we confiscated in Iraq and man those things are freaking awesome, we took a seat heater out of a old Benz and put it on the truck to cook eggs and stuff lol we ended up giving the 2 trucks we had to a couple of local folks who helped us out
When i started watching the video you had 19.9K subscribers. I liked the video and it jumped to 20K. Congrats on the achievement and your vids are very well made.
Great job bother! Your videos are awesome and provide information that nobody else is paying attention to. Keep going what you do, your channel is going to grow soon.
you just answered every quation i had. the prado was a diesel, so i'd go find one before they're gone. thanks for the great video - and the answer to why did they make the land cruiser a X-Terra remake. one of my regrets was not getting a FJ. I wish i had, despite the 14 mpg
I am so glad I found your channel. Looking forward to binging on the contents. I am lucky to own 2 FJs, a 200, and a 79 Dual cab in East and South Africa.
Outstanding summary and analysis...I have to say I was initially disappointed when I heard about the powertrain of the new LC, but it has grown on me and I think the aftermarket is going to explode with accessories for the new LC.
It definitely is. Based on the concept art aftermarket manufacturers are probably working on parts as we speak, assuming Toyota gave them the scans to do so.
One thing I haven't seen much on is water fording / crossing abilities as it applies to the hybrid system. Those batteries in rear and the system under the hood how does it hold up and fare to typical overland activities as creek crossings for example?
AFAIK Teslas for example are very capable in water fording, the limit is the buoyancy but electrically speaking, no problem at all! I hope Toyota does the same!
I was waiting around for the Tacoma PRO and Trailhunter pricing to come out, when that I was released, I headed down to the dealership to put a deposit in on the LC 250 and get in line for one of these.
G'Day Mate, first of all Great YT Channel... totally a Great 3rd view aspect view of the vehicles, we all don't have a lot of the money like all these other youtube channel POSERS!... SO THANKS FOR KEEPING IT REAL MATE! I'm a grass roots guy that has owned many of these Landcruisers in Australia. FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS... ( "I'M OLD 60+ yo.) BUT TO BE Honest, I never needed all the locking this and traction all that, you didn't rely on technology cause it wasn't around then, You would stop, take a gander and talked to your mates, and if you were really stuck you'd boil the Billy and make a cuppa tea and make plan... You picked a good line and you went for it... Traction boards were whatever you could find nearby in the scrub to help you get out of your situation... "All Part Of The Adventure Mate" where you'd be covered in mud and who knows what and you would get to your destination (No GPS) and have a camp fire, dinner and a few libations and laugh about all the things that happened that day and chalk it up to experience... "CRIKEY I'M SOUNDING LIKE MY DAD" Living in the USA these days, i'm so glad that Toyota is taking this path. Although it's not my 1992 "Sooty" 6 cylinder straight line Turbo diesel with copious amounts of torque, she was a Plane Jane GXL which was bare bolt basic really with hard plastic and clothe seats. It took me and my wife and four kids everywhere in the outback of Australia... We are all still alive to talk about it! LOL..... MY Advice is to buy the 1958 Landcruiser and make it you own, modify and make it how you want to live and Travel it will get you further than you'll thought it would... You don't need all those whistles and Bell... Unless You want to be a Poser! Just Buy the 1958, for 80% of the Folks out there it will get you t amazing places, away from the crowds o your next BID Adventure I Promise...
I like everything about this version of Land Cruiser except its hybrid system. Plain old v6 or v8 would be awesome. Now the only question is, when Land Cruiser starts at $55k, at what price will upcoming 4runner start at?
@@missourimongoose8858 Toyota does it is by raising the floor making the interior feel more cramped. For me personally, more likely the new Lexus GX will be the better option although I like the design of the new land cruiser better.
@@klaymoon1 oh damn, ya I'm 6 foot and the tacoma isn't exactly spacious but I'm figuring my truck has 42k on it so I've got a few years before replacement so by that time folks with more money than me have worked out the kinks lol
You mentioned you didn’t understand why Toyota went with 18” wheels? Sheldon Brown lead engineer for Tacoma from Toyota stated on Tacoma, they had to use 18” rims on Trailhunter and TRD PRO because the larger disc brakes on those models required that size rim. He said on the entry grade trucks they will offer 17” rims because the rotors will be a smaller diameter. I’d assume it’s the same for the Land Cruiser.
I would much rather have larger disc brakes and a 18” rim than smaller discs on a smaller rim. The LC is standard with 32.6” tires, so chances are you can go larger and easily make up for any sidewall loss from the 18” rim.
@@IndependenceOverland Awwww dang! I am looking for offroad vehicle that seats fold flat to sleep in. I keep getting referred back to the 4 runner. But,, they are the price of new used!
What a lot of people don’t realize that hate on hybrids is that Toyota hybrids are ultra reliable. Besides range and mpg benefits.. 1) Reduced engine idle time, turbo, brake pad wear. Extend maintenance intervals. Every time you’re going downhill you’re making power. 2) Allows for efficient Dc-Dc inverters to charge your EcoFlow/Jackery batteries fast. Skip solar. 3) Eliminates starter/alternator (on other Toyota hybrids, not sure about the new one but likely). 4) If they had a PHEV you could cross a stream or silt and not worry about water/silt in the intake and cross in pure EV mode. A PHEV LC would also allow you to run AC/heat all night on battery power if sleeping inside. Run a small space heater on your RTT and leave your diesel heater at home.
Personally I like it. I’ve been a Tacoma person most of my life. Had several. I’m thinking I’m gonna get a new Land Cruiser now instead of the Tacoma. 👍 Great video
Thinking the same. It does have a built in inverter but may need the car to be awake to have the DC/DC converter active. I'm sure someone will figure it out.
@@ryangregohara Serious question, why not? While I am sure the complexities go well beyond my understanding it seems like a simple chain: Cell maintains Starter/House battery in addition to or replacement of solar for DC power, engine acts as generator to maintain cell. Just need to maintain fuel levels for engine in generator mode.
@9:30, I know bigger wheels arent as good at off roading, but this does have alot of power and maybe the potential for handling issues at speed. You also NEED to have proper braking ability with this much power and likely you cant fit that inside of tiny 16 inch wheels.
I've had my Subaru for 6 years... I really want a new car and the Land Cruiser is a dream for sure. My kit would top out at $70k with the "Land Cruiser" trim. Very excited for this... I wonder what my wife thinks?
2:20 actually the nameplate „Landcruiser“ (without „Prado“ addendum) is used in Europe as well. The 200 had been discontinued in Europe some time before the US and the 150 has been continued. „Prado“ is not used in Western Europe thus far. The 250 will also just be called „Landcruiser“ in the EU.
It’s really sick but the mandatory hybrid is annoying. I don’t have a problem with hypbrids in general but those batteries don’t last forever and will be one of the main “wear” items on top of being super expensive. I have no problem with the 4cyl and think it’s cool but the hybrid part is off putting for me I’m glad the GX has the v6 tt option but I’m sure the price difference will be sizeable
Hybrid has a 10 year warranty, and from what I understand it’s designed so individual cells can be replaced. So if part of the battery does go, at least it can be partially replaced. I’m one of the very few who are excited about these hybrids systems.
I guess I’m not sure what you’re referring to, it’s been a while since I made this video. I assume you’re referring to these trucks requiring a 18” wheel? My Trailhunter Tacoma came with 18s, and it fits a 17”. Not sure why Toyota chose 18”, for cooling perhaps. But I am glad the 17” will fit. The Hybrid Tacoma, 4Runner, and the LC all share the same brakes in the front so yes. They will fit 17s.
I hope to see that. As much as it’s set up to be modified, I haven’t seen much more from Toyota on this. They are pushing the accessories program for Tacoma, but not the LC yet.
Tyler, Jin Kim who designed the FJ Cruiser was the lead designer on the new Land Cruiser. Someone asked him at Cruiserfest what his favorite part of the new Land Cruiser design--he said "the outside mirrors!" Looks just like our FJ Cruiser!
After off-roading with 18'' wheels myself, for 90% of people it really isn't an impediment. Especially if you are running larger tires. Im sure they will leave the minority of customers to the aftermarket.
I tend to use 91, even though I have read for elevations of 6k up it doesn't matter. Due to the lack of oxygen, supposedly it doesn't make a big difference but I run 91 anyway.
It said in Toyota’s press release that the new Land Cruiser will have 17” brake rotors- which is why I believe they fitted it 18” wheels. Fitted with 245/75/18 tires you’ll have about 7.23inches of sidewall- about a 1/2” shy of 235/85/16 tire (benchmark of standard skinny tires). It’d be very cool if it came on 225/95/16s, but with brakes that large it’s just not possible.
Yeah.. that was my thought when I read that too. A 17" brake rotor also seems rather large- a Hellcat Challenger has a 15.4" brake rotor- which it needs too stop from going 150mph+. So, as one might reason, it's a heavy vehicle and needs a bigger rotor. Fair enough- the 2023 Tundra has 14" brake rotors... no way this LC is heavier than a Tundra. So I'm guessing either: (1) it has the same 14" rotors from Tundra or (2) Toyota has figured out a way to fit 18" wheels over 17" rotor/caliper (perhaps with a slight wheel offset and some taper inside the rim? ) We know the 2024 Tacoma PRO/ Trailhunter is 3" wider because of an 1.5" wheel offset, and they only come as hybrids like the new LC. If the new LC does have 17" brakes- it would be interesting to find out how they made that work. @@B49nope
You got me curious- so I watched an interview w/ the chief engineer for the Tacoma to see what he said about brakes. He said on the Hybrid model the Tacoma will get 17" Brakes. Since the LC shares its chassis with Tacoma I will assume that it is true. Fast Forward to 11:47 th-cam.com/video/Fh-s9O3EgRs/w-d-xo.html @@B49nope
Maybe someone will build 17” aftermarket wheels to fit this LC. Same as my Discovery 5 that can fit 19-20-21-22” wheels but Compomotive build 18” wheels that fit. 🤞🏼
@@IndependenceOverland Easy. Just a little trimming. LOL The Lexus variant definitely had the wheel/tire combination chosen for looks (I'm not a fan of the huge wheel/rubber band tire look or performance) and I would be surprised if the LC250 tire/wheel combo wasn't chosen for the same reason. It seems a little small to need a brake diameter that wouldn't fit in a 17 inch wheel.
From what I have collected, is these new trucks have a removable plate that allows for larger tires. The plate is installed so it can pass crash tests, but is kind of a work around so users can modify.
Nice video and nice endeavor to answer many questions without having all the data yet, thank you. No front locker. It seems that 35s won’t fit. I’ll pass and I’ll stick to Wranglers.
Sorry Scott I somehow missed your comment when you posted 2 months ago! I went down to the expo, and even hired a friend to work the camera for me (Natalia had other stuff going on) and they wouldn't let anyone near the thing. I am anticipating seeing them in person before too much longer, and I will really dive into what they have to offer! Thank you as always my friend!
LC 200 we had was the top top spec only other markets had a base utilitarian models same with the LC300 there is a base model gx with a land cruiser is good for 25 yrs and 200,000 miles
@@noctilucent7396I'd much rather have the 200 or 300 series Land Cruiser over this baby Prado. Yes, the combined mpg is great, but will surely significantly decrease with larger AT tires, gear, lift, etc. Not to mention, its a whole class down of a vehicle in terms of luxury and competition, particularly depending on the market.
Great video and a solid walk-through on the new Land Cruiser! I've got to admit that I had to let my thoughts on this new LC "marinate" for a few days, but at this point, I've got to say, I'm pretty excited and seriously considering replacing my 100 Series with one.
thinking about the 18' wheels.. does toyota think that these will be mostly used on road, where as the "new" 4 runner will be geared more towards off road?
I doubt it. A lot of R&D went into these being designed to be customizable for off road. Probably just to clear the brakes, but hopefully after market 17s fit.
I doubt it. A lot of R&D went into these being designed to be customizable for off road. Probably just to clear the brakes, but hopefully after market 17s fit.
What I'm a little concerned about is yes get rid of the plastics and do bumpers front/rear, rails, skidplates, tire carrier, 35s, lift, winch, etc. Add gear, family of 4, dogs, fridge... the regular loadout. What happens to that little 4 banger, especially for people like me who live at altitude and drive mountain passes all the time? Even the 4.0 in my FJ and 4runner struggled when loaded. GX doesn't look as modular unfortunately, disappointed Toyota didn't do an optional trim with the 3.4 in the LC250.
I live in the mountains too. This thing would scream past my Fj on Vail pass, guaranteed. A turbo is ideal for mountain living. We need as much oxygen as possible stuffed into the cylinders. And the hybrid will help a ton with that as well, since the systems work together to eliminate turbo lag.
@@IndependenceOverlandYup, switched to an ecoboost raptor for exactly that reason (new Tunda wasn't out yet) and it hauls! I truly hope the turbo + hybrid does the job. I know it will for 'normal' driving. But pushing payload numbers and running lots of rubber stretches what these vehicles are designed for. Will be interesting to see how they do. That said I lean towards being more conservative and going with the larger powerplant in the GX despite my heart wanting to go with the 250. Thanks for the content BTW, great vid!
E-KDSS is Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System. It is NOT a hydraulic or air suspension. What it does is disconnect the sway/stabilizer bars at low speeds for greater wheel articulation off road, but automatically reconnects at higher speeds with no driver intervention. The Land Cruiser (LC trim and above) has the SDM ("Sway bar Disconnect Mechnism I'm thinking), which similarly to the new Tacoma, but also Bronco and Wrangler Rubicon, disconnects the sway/stabilizer bar when the driver presses a button. The Lexus version is superior, but more expensive. KDSS makes it difficult to lift your vehicle and when you do it basically renders the car to not have KDSS, which I think is why they didn't incorporate it into the Land Cruiser. Additionally, the 4Runner 5th gen has it as an option, but on the GX 550 you can only get it on the Overtrail models. It also comes with AVS Adaptive Variable Suspension, which will make higher end trims on the GX 550 handle and ride much better than the Land Cruiser or a 4Runner...but it is only on Overtrails and the Luxury GX 550.
No solid axles, when are they going to learn? Thing is, a solid axle vehicle can behave more than good enough on the tarmac but are so much better in the rough stuff and so much more easy to modify. Also a lot stronger. Some people thinks different but personaly I will never change my mind about that.
Yeah as far as flex, solid axle wins but I do believe some CV designs have been proven to be stronger surprisingly enough. But everyone likes what they like.
Awesome video Tyler! I REALLY want to like the new LandCruiser. But it’s gonna take some time to grow on me. At this point, ain’t no way I’d give up my FJ for one. Probably never get rid of my FJ even when I do buy something else. I’m tall and not skinny so interior room is going to be a big factor too.
At first unveiling, Toyota had published estimated 27mpg on the Toyota website. This was taken down within 24 hours or so. EPA figures have yet to be released.
This is such an excellent video! It cuts through all the marketing hype, put out by Toyota and many of the automotive journalists, and focuses on the things that are really important for off-road ability in this vehicle.
Regardless of what the majority of these hardcore “LaNdCrUiSeR” owners say, I’m still getting it. I’m the one that’s going to be driving it, paying insurance, enjoying it, etc. I’ve owned an FJ, currently have 2 4Runners and recently bought my wife a Corolla. Never had a problem with any of these and trust Toyota engineers to make this Land Cruiser a family friendly vehicle. Truth be told, the ones who are throwing the heat on this one are the ones who don’t really own a “Real” Landcruiser..from what I believe, the only REAL Landcruiser was the 80…
I can't agree more. This car was designed for its target audience and is for you and I--not the people decrying its "realness" who will never own one of these until it's 20 years old. New cars are sold new to new consumers. The 70-year-old man with a V8 Land Cruiser isn't going to be around for a whole bunch more of them!
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Best breakdown of the new Land Cruiser yet!! Even those who attended the launch haven't put something out that is this in-depth. Bravo, thank you!
I'm wondering if this would be the base of the Toyota Stout???
Hey I appreciate that man!
No to the Stout.
Tundra is the truck form of the 300 series
Tacoma is the Truck form of the new 250 series
Stout will be the truck form on a Rav4
Obviously this isn’t how Toyota markets this stuff, but it’s as close of an explanation as you get get.
This is a great competitor for the Wrangler. Especially for people like me, in my 40s, with kids, still want to go off road, but don’t want to have 4 cars in the garage. This is literally the first Toyota ever that I am interested in. Well done. Also, great content.
Thanks for watching! Rumor has it a 2 door version is coming soon as well. I will doing some content on that as I learn more!
@@IndependenceOverland I just sold my 23 JLUR for a 24 because of the rear air bags being added. When these come out, I’ll definitely go take a look. I think the GX may be a better option. 10 speed vs 8 and a TTV6 vs hybrid T4. Plus they’ll offer an “off road” version from the factory. Also, thanks for taking care of the trails man. I watched your hour and a half long video yesterday, and that was great content. Hard to make an entertaining video that long but you did a great job. The production value was great. Keep it up and be safe! I’m looking forward to your video!
Ive watched many videos of the new LC and this is BY FAR the best one!
Thank you!
5 months later and still the best-informed and detailed video out there.
Thank you sir, I do plan to do another soon. I just wanted to wait until the media did their drive events so I could gather more information to share.
Team Land Cruiser!!!!
3rd on the list at my dealership. Will be keeping my almost 5 year old alucab canopy camper for extended trips and the LC for shorter trips and getting to remote backpacking trail heads.
That’s bad ass!
Man, the production quality of your vids continues to be top notch. Very nice!
Thanks man I appreciate it very much!
Also.... Those built renderings and sketches are GORGEOUS!
Since they went to the lift up talgate I wish they had adopted the 4Runner rear window. Everyone loves it. The popoout window feels so flimsy without a frame.
I wish they had made it complete by adding a front locker and that would have been perfect..ok a rolling down rear window...
I heard a front locker will be available for installation on the Tacoma so I would assume it could also be installed on the Land Cruiser and 4Runner.
For the price, it should have a front locker.
This truck seems super cool!! I want one!
LC Prado is as tough off-roader as the full size LC, just without as many luxury options and high price tag. It is a proven platform sold in our region since decades (Middle East).
It's 95% identical to the 4runner
I wish they would have sold the 70 series here in the US since they started a long time ago
And the Prado is, in essence, no different, separate Land Cruiser at all. It is just one of the various models that the legendary 40 series branched out into when it was discontinued in the early 80's, just as did the current LC300, as a "Station Wagon". So, technically there can't be a "real" Land Cruiser and a "less real" one. The different models and versions of them are just aimed at addressing different market segments, and the different customer needs which have evolved over the years.
I got to play around with some 70 series trucks we confiscated in Iraq and man those things are freaking awesome, we took a seat heater out of a old Benz and put it on the truck to cook eggs and stuff lol we ended up giving the 2 trucks we had to a couple of local folks who helped us out
Great inAfrica too
When i started watching the video you had 19.9K subscribers. I liked the video and it jumped to 20K. Congrats on the achievement and your vids are very well made.
That’s awesome! Thank you for watching!
Great job bother! Your videos are awesome and provide information that nobody else is paying attention to. Keep going what you do, your channel is going to grow soon.
Thanks man, I certainly hope so!
you just answered every quation i had. the prado was a diesel, so i'd go find one before they're gone. thanks for the great video - and the answer to why did they make the land cruiser a X-Terra remake. one of my regrets was not getting a FJ. I wish i had, despite the 14 mpg
I am so glad I found your channel. Looking forward to binging on the contents. I am lucky to own 2 FJs, a 200, and a 79 Dual cab in East and South Africa.
Quite a collection! Thank you for checking out my channel my friend!
It’d also be great to know the differential gear ratios! If you’re already poking around ;)
Definitely. I'm guessing they won't have a 4.10 gear ratio.
Outstanding summary and analysis...I have to say I was initially disappointed when I heard about the powertrain of the new LC, but it has grown on me and I think the aftermarket is going to explode with accessories for the new LC.
It definitely is. Based on the concept art aftermarket manufacturers are probably working on parts as we speak, assuming Toyota gave them the scans to do so.
Really Interesting you are mentioning the 112 inch wheelbase. Mercedes G Wagon has the same already in the 70s.
What’s the differential sizes?
Ifs may be suitable for a lot of scenarios but I’ll always wish Toyota made another solid axle trail orientated rig.
Land cruiser 300 and Land cruiser 250
It would blow everyone away if Toyota stuck a new 4Runner body on a 70 series chassis and made a Wrangler fighter.
Rear diff will probably be the 9.5 since the new Tacoma is getting a 9.5 in the hybrid model.
@@IndependenceOverland I figured that would probably be it. Or the 8.75. Think both the tacoma and this will still keep the front 8”?
Best take on the Land Cruiser I’ve seen yet. Great points
Thank you!
I’m on the wait list, can’t wait!!!
One thing I haven't seen much on is water fording / crossing abilities as it applies to the hybrid system. Those batteries in rear and the system under the hood how does it hold up and fare to typical overland activities as creek crossings for example?
Looks like the batteries are in the cargo area, which may be the reason for higher load height and lack of a third row.
AFAIK Teslas for example are very capable in water fording, the limit is the buoyancy but electrically speaking, no problem at all! I hope Toyota does the same!
I was waiting around for the Tacoma PRO and Trailhunter pricing to come out, when that I was released, I headed down to the dealership to put a deposit in on the LC 250 and get in line for one of these.
G'Day Mate, first of all Great YT Channel... totally a Great 3rd view aspect view of the vehicles, we all don't have a lot of the money like all these other youtube channel POSERS!... SO THANKS FOR KEEPING IT REAL MATE! I'm a grass roots guy that has owned many of these Landcruisers in Australia. FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS... ( "I'M OLD 60+ yo.) BUT TO BE Honest, I never needed all the locking this and traction all that, you didn't rely on technology cause it wasn't around then, You would stop, take a gander and talked to your mates, and if you were really stuck you'd boil the Billy and make a cuppa tea and make plan... You picked a good line and you went for it... Traction boards were whatever you could find nearby in the scrub to help you get out of your situation...
"All Part Of The Adventure Mate" where you'd be covered in mud and who knows what and you would get to your destination (No GPS) and have a camp fire, dinner and a few libations and laugh about all the things that happened that day and chalk it up to experience... "CRIKEY I'M SOUNDING LIKE MY DAD" Living in the USA these days, i'm so glad that Toyota is taking this path. Although it's not my 1992 "Sooty" 6 cylinder straight line Turbo diesel with copious amounts of torque, she was a Plane Jane GXL which was bare bolt basic really with hard plastic and clothe seats. It took me and my wife and four kids everywhere in the outback of Australia... We are all still alive to talk about it! LOL..... MY Advice is to buy the 1958 Landcruiser and make it you own, modify and make it how you want to live and Travel it will get you further than you'll thought it would... You don't need all those whistles and Bell... Unless You want to be a Poser!
Just Buy the 1958, for 80% of the Folks out there it will get you t amazing places, away from the crowds o your next BID Adventure I Promise...
What an awesome comment! Thank you!
Great video! I am dying to see a LC250 in person
Me too man! I’m really hoping it’s at Expo MW here in a few weeks. @toyota needs to get you to one so you can take some measurements for the people!
I like everything about this version of Land Cruiser except its hybrid system. Plain old v6 or v8 would be awesome. Now the only question is, when Land Cruiser starts at $55k, at what price will upcoming 4runner start at?
Why don't you like the hybrid? I don't know much about cars but I just got a tacoma and I love it but I wouldn't mind better gas mileage for sure
@@missourimongoose8858 Toyota does it is by raising the floor making the interior feel more cramped. For me personally, more likely the new Lexus GX will be the better option although I like the design of the new land cruiser better.
@@klaymoon1 oh damn, ya I'm 6 foot and the tacoma isn't exactly spacious but I'm figuring my truck has 42k on it so I've got a few years before replacement so by that time folks with more money than me have worked out the kinks lol
I wish it could tow more, but I definitely want one and I’m someone who generally dislikes SUVs
Honestly, even if it were rated to tow more it probably wouldn’t do it well. Quite a cool looking SUV! Can’t wait to see these out in the wild!
@@IndependenceOverland true, but it would be nice to be able to tow a car without stressing it as much
nice colorado map, where to get it ?
I remember last week when putz were complaining we can’t get the Prado. Well… putz… it’s here now. 😂
You mentioned you didn’t understand why Toyota went with 18” wheels? Sheldon Brown lead engineer for Tacoma from Toyota stated on Tacoma, they had to use 18” rims on Trailhunter and TRD PRO because the larger disc brakes on those models required that size rim. He said on the entry grade trucks they will offer 17” rims because the rotors will be a smaller diameter. I’d assume it’s the same for the Land Cruiser.
I would much rather have larger disc brakes and a 18” rim than smaller discs on a smaller rim. The LC is standard with 32.6” tires, so chances are you can go larger and easily make up for any sidewall loss from the 18” rim.
Power brake will be producing a kit that will have more stopping power in a smaller package for those that want a 17” wheel.
Do any of the trims have 2nd row seats that fold flat for dry camping??
They don’t fold flat, that will require something like @GooseGear
@@IndependenceOverland Awwww dang! I am looking for offroad vehicle that seats fold flat to sleep in. I keep getting referred back to the 4 runner. But,, they are the price of new used!
What a lot of people don’t realize that hate on hybrids is that Toyota hybrids are ultra reliable. Besides range and mpg benefits..
1) Reduced engine idle time, turbo, brake pad wear. Extend maintenance intervals. Every time you’re going downhill you’re making power.
2) Allows for efficient Dc-Dc inverters to charge your EcoFlow/Jackery batteries fast. Skip solar.
3) Eliminates starter/alternator (on other Toyota hybrids, not sure about the new one but likely).
4) If they had a PHEV you could cross a stream or silt and not worry about water/silt in the intake and cross in pure EV mode. A PHEV LC would also allow you to run AC/heat all night on battery power if sleeping inside. Run a small space heater on your RTT and leave your diesel heater at home.
Personally I like it. I’ve been a Tacoma person most of my life. Had several. I’m thinking I’m gonna get a new Land Cruiser now instead of the Tacoma. 👍
Great video
Prado is part of the Land Cruiser family and its called Land Cruiser Prado here in Middle East...
This truck will kill Land Rovers, Jeeps, and any other adventure truck suv out there.
Great vid!
Thanks!
Great looking new Land Cruiser
Using the hybrid battery for "house use" would be a huge game changer. Any thoughts on whether or not will be possible?
Thinking the same. It does have a built in inverter but may need the car to be awake to have the DC/DC converter active. I'm sure someone will figure it out.
Like bidirectional? No way…
@@ryangregohara Serious question, why not? While I am sure the complexities go well beyond my understanding it seems like a simple chain: Cell maintains Starter/House battery in addition to or replacement of solar for DC power, engine acts as generator to maintain cell. Just need to maintain fuel levels for engine in generator mode.
@@markschlief8565 I just don’t think that the battery is if enough that it is worth the effort.
Yes, I think i-force engines don't have starters and cranking batteries.
The Australian Army buys many Landcruiser GX’s. Buy that spec.
Will this engine use a spin on oil filter? Thank you.
I will try to find out!
@9:30, I know bigger wheels arent as good at off roading, but this does have alot of power and maybe the potential for handling issues at speed. You also NEED to have proper braking ability with this much power and likely you cant fit that inside of tiny 16 inch wheels.
Hey, fair point! This much power is going to be incredible!
I've had my Subaru for 6 years... I really want a new car and the Land Cruiser is a dream for sure. My kit would top out at $70k with the "Land Cruiser" trim. Very excited for this... I wonder what my wife thinks?
2:20 actually the nameplate „Landcruiser“ (without „Prado“ addendum) is used in Europe as well. The 200 had been discontinued in Europe some time before the US and the 150 has been continued. „Prado“ is not used in Western Europe thus far. The 250 will also just be called „Landcruiser“ in the EU.
Good info! Thank you
It’s really sick but the mandatory hybrid is annoying. I don’t have a problem with hypbrids in general but those batteries don’t last forever and will be one of the main “wear” items on top of being super expensive. I have no problem with the 4cyl and think it’s cool but the hybrid part is off putting for me
I’m glad the GX has the v6 tt option but I’m sure the price difference will be sizeable
Hybrid has a 10 year warranty, and from what I understand it’s designed so individual cells can be replaced. So if part of the battery does go, at least it can be partially replaced. I’m one of the very few who are excited about these hybrids systems.
Great video, thanks a lot!
Thank you for checking it out!
It's a fucking L A N D CRUISER
It doesn't need an off-road package. It IS an off-road package
Forget that discussion of big wheels. I loved the 17“ as well but other companies proved you wrong
I guess I’m not sure what you’re referring to, it’s been a while since I made this video. I assume you’re referring to these trucks requiring a 18” wheel? My Trailhunter Tacoma came with 18s, and it fits a 17”. Not sure why Toyota chose 18”, for cooling perhaps. But I am glad the 17” will fit.
The Hybrid Tacoma, 4Runner, and the LC all share the same brakes in the front so yes. They will fit 17s.
Great review. Thank you!
Thanks for watching man!
I have to imagine that they will be differentiating between this and the 550 with perhaps a factory lift option? That would be insane.
I hope to see that. As much as it’s set up to be modified, I haven’t seen much more from Toyota on this. They are pushing the accessories program for Tacoma, but not the LC yet.
Tyler, Jin Kim who designed the FJ Cruiser was the lead designer on the new Land Cruiser. Someone asked him at Cruiserfest what his favorite part of the new Land Cruiser design--he said "the outside mirrors!" Looks just like our FJ Cruiser!
That’s awesome! I love those little touches!
After off-roading with 18'' wheels myself, for 90% of people it really isn't an impediment. Especially if you are running larger tires. Im sure they will leave the minority of customers to the aftermarket.
When you think of it a bit, it is not the wheel size, but the sidewall. The LC250 stock tire side wall is the same as the FJ cruiser stock sidewall.
Just found this video/channel and literally the best one that gives details about the land cruiser. Subbed 👍🏼
Awesome to hear, thanks man!
That is a great looking steering wheel..
Hoping Toyota dealerships are going to carry a lot of ARB and Old Man Emu accessories in the show room
Hi Tyler! With your FJ, what octane fuel do you use while overlanding?
I tend to use 91, even though I have read for elevations of 6k up it doesn't matter. Due to the lack of oxygen, supposedly it doesn't make a big difference but I run 91 anyway.
It said in Toyota’s press release that the new Land Cruiser will have 17” brake rotors- which is why I believe they fitted it 18” wheels. Fitted with 245/75/18 tires you’ll have about 7.23inches of sidewall- about a 1/2” shy of 235/85/16 tire (benchmark of standard skinny tires).
It’d be very cool if it came on 225/95/16s, but with brakes that large it’s just not possible.
Yeah.. that was my thought when I read that too. A 17" brake rotor also seems rather large- a Hellcat Challenger has a 15.4" brake rotor- which it needs too stop from going 150mph+. So, as one might reason, it's a heavy vehicle and needs a bigger rotor. Fair enough- the 2023 Tundra has 14" brake rotors... no way this LC is heavier than a Tundra. So I'm guessing either: (1) it has the same 14" rotors from Tundra or (2) Toyota has figured out a way to fit 18" wheels over 17" rotor/caliper (perhaps with a slight wheel offset and some taper inside the rim? ) We know the 2024 Tacoma PRO/ Trailhunter is 3" wider because of an 1.5" wheel offset, and they only come as hybrids like the new LC. If the new LC does have 17" brakes- it would be interesting to find out how they made that work. @@B49nope
You got me curious- so I watched an interview w/ the chief engineer for the Tacoma to see what he said about brakes. He said on the Hybrid model the Tacoma will get 17" Brakes. Since the LC shares its chassis with Tacoma I will assume that it is true.
Fast Forward to 11:47 th-cam.com/video/Fh-s9O3EgRs/w-d-xo.html
@@B49nope
Maybe someone will build 17” aftermarket wheels to fit this LC. Same as my Discovery 5 that can fit 19-20-21-22” wheels but Compomotive build 18” wheels that fit. 🤞🏼
@@LeoGS400same with the G63, alpha equipt makes a 18” wheel for this car
Wonder how they get 8.7 ground clearance... Is it under the front cross member ?
The rear diff
Are you coming to the overland expo in CO next week?
Yes sir, just for Saturday
@@IndependenceOverland come swing by Modvans booth. I would live to meet you!
Awesome video.
Amazing Car 😍🚘
How about rust prevention? Are the frames as before just painted and not treated?
does it com with the center arm cool box? fridge?
I believe the higher trim does.
Boss… this was a remarkable breakdown…
This man is serious.. and the shits are dope
Thanks man!
18 inch rims are fine if you go with a 35" tire
Is similar in size and performance to the new Bronco?
Time will tell
Quality video
Give us the 70!
13:17 - Not confusing, they don’t want anyone to buy the LC250.
Great video! TH-cam algorithm brought me here.
I'm glad it did! Glad to have you!
An 18" wheel is fine if you are running 37s. Off road I always want tire diameter to be a minimum of twice the wheel diameter.
I doubt these are easily going to git a 37.
@@IndependenceOverland Easy. Just a little trimming. LOL
The Lexus variant definitely had the wheel/tire combination chosen for looks (I'm not a fan of the huge wheel/rubber band tire look or performance) and I would be surprised if the LC250 tire/wheel combo wasn't chosen for the same reason. It seems a little small to need a brake diameter that wouldn't fit in a 17 inch wheel.
Awesome video!
Is this more capable than a wilderness outback? I don’t mean after mods. I mean from factory.
Absolutely. Is that a serious question?
Will this frame still have the front body-mount-chop issue, to fit larger tires? That's massively annoying.
From what I have collected, is these new trucks have a removable plate that allows for larger tires. The plate is installed so it can pass crash tests, but is kind of a work around so users can modify.
Nice video and nice endeavor to answer many questions without having all the data yet, thank you.
No front locker. It seems that 35s won’t fit. I’ll pass and I’ll stick to Wranglers.
Yeah I don’t believe this is intended to be a competitor with a Wrangler. Totally different vehicles.
do you know if the second row seats fold forward enough to fit some kind of air mattress in the back?
They do, check out my GX video. It will be similar to that, but its not totally flat.
Very well done video Tyler, best I’ve seen yet of the ‘24 LC! IF one is at Mountain West, please do a comprehensive review/walk around.
Sorry Scott I somehow missed your comment when you posted 2 months ago! I went down to the expo, and even hired a friend to work the camera for me (Natalia had other stuff going on) and they wouldn't let anyone near the thing. I am anticipating seeing them in person before too much longer, and I will really dive into what they have to offer! Thank you as always my friend!
Looks like we don't even get the 2.5 petrol down here in Aussie. we get the 2.8 diesel 4 cyl thats in the Hilux etc.
LC 200 we had was the top top spec only other markets had a base utilitarian models same with the LC300 there is a base model gx with a land cruiser is good for 25 yrs and 200,000 miles
There will be gx550 motor swaps into the lc
very nice video. thanks!
Id much rather have this Land Cruiser Prado over the 200 or 300 series! 27 MPG!!!!!!!! Overlanding DREAM!!
You dream of a high stress i4? And a battery?
In the middle of nowhere?
Overlanders nightmare
@@randomuser6306 relax, it's a Toyota.
@@noctilucent7396I'd much rather have the 200 or 300 series Land Cruiser over this baby Prado. Yes, the combined mpg is great, but will surely significantly decrease with larger AT tires, gear, lift, etc. Not to mention, its a whole class down of a vehicle in terms of luxury and competition, particularly depending on the market.
Great video and a solid walk-through on the new Land Cruiser! I've got to admit that I had to let my thoughts on this new LC "marinate" for a few days, but at this point, I've got to say, I'm pretty excited and seriously considering replacing my 100 Series with one.
I'll buy your 100 series 😜😜
@@boistoys5451 stay tuned! 🤣
Sorry trying to catch up on comments! The LC looks incredible, I think it could be a solid option!
thinking about the 18' wheels.. does toyota think that these will be mostly used on road, where as the "new" 4 runner will be geared more towards off road?
I doubt it. A lot of R&D went into these being designed to be customizable for off road. Probably just to clear the brakes, but hopefully after market 17s fit.
I doubt it. A lot of R&D went into these being designed to be customizable for off road. Probably just to clear the brakes, but hopefully after market 17s fit.
Unless you need the extra space, why not buy the 4Runner trail hinter?? Though rubber hitting the ground is betterbusing thinntiees ;)
Just saw it today and met the lead designer on it at curiser fest.
I wish I could have made that event, super cool!
I think new 4Runner looks great!
4runner will still be a different vehicle.
Side note: where did you get the GIANT relief map of Colorado?!?! I love it so much and would buy it in a heartbeat 💗
I keep meaning to ask the wife! A cartographer made it and she gifted me it for Christmas. I’ll get the details!
Lol, please and thank you
ravenmaps.com
I just want a LC 70 here in the states.
What I'm a little concerned about is yes get rid of the plastics and do bumpers front/rear, rails, skidplates, tire carrier, 35s, lift, winch, etc. Add gear, family of 4, dogs, fridge... the regular loadout. What happens to that little 4 banger, especially for people like me who live at altitude and drive mountain passes all the time? Even the 4.0 in my FJ and 4runner struggled when loaded. GX doesn't look as modular unfortunately, disappointed Toyota didn't do an optional trim with the 3.4 in the LC250.
I live in the mountains too. This thing would scream past my Fj on Vail pass, guaranteed. A turbo is ideal for mountain living. We need as much oxygen as possible stuffed into the cylinders. And the hybrid will help a ton with that as well, since the systems work together to eliminate turbo lag.
@@IndependenceOverlandYup, switched to an ecoboost raptor for exactly that reason (new Tunda wasn't out yet) and it hauls! I truly hope the turbo + hybrid does the job. I know it will for 'normal' driving. But pushing payload numbers and running lots of rubber stretches what these vehicles are designed for. Will be interesting to see how they do. That said I lean towards being more conservative and going with the larger powerplant in the GX despite my heart wanting to go with the 250. Thanks for the content BTW, great vid!
Yeah, I think they made it to resemble a LC70s series, so that, most market are familiar with it as association.
E-KDSS is Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System. It is NOT a hydraulic or air suspension. What it does is disconnect the sway/stabilizer bars at low speeds for greater wheel articulation off road, but automatically reconnects at higher speeds with no driver intervention. The Land Cruiser (LC trim and above) has the SDM ("Sway bar Disconnect Mechnism I'm thinking), which similarly to the new Tacoma, but also Bronco and Wrangler Rubicon, disconnects the sway/stabilizer bar when the driver presses a button. The Lexus version is superior, but more expensive. KDSS makes it difficult to lift your vehicle and when you do it basically renders the car to not have KDSS, which I think is why they didn't incorporate it into the Land Cruiser. Additionally, the 4Runner 5th gen has it as an option, but on the GX 550 you can only get it on the Overtrail models. It also comes with AVS Adaptive Variable Suspension, which will make higher end trims on the GX 550 handle and ride much better than the Land Cruiser or a 4Runner...but it is only on Overtrails and the Luxury GX 550.
Thank you for the detailed comment to clarify!
i like the round headlights better!
No solid axles, when are they going to learn? Thing is, a solid axle vehicle can behave more than good enough on the tarmac but are so much better in the rough stuff and so much more easy to modify. Also a lot stronger. Some people thinks different but personaly I will never change my mind about that.
Yeah as far as flex, solid axle wins but I do believe some CV designs have been proven to be stronger surprisingly enough. But everyone likes what they like.
Awesome video Tyler!
I REALLY want to like the new LandCruiser. But it’s gonna take some time to grow on me. At this point, ain’t no way I’d give up my FJ for one. Probably never get rid of my FJ even when I do buy something else. I’m tall and not skinny so interior room is going to be a big factor too.
Just keep the FJ....why get rid of it when it's paid off...
Keeping my Fj too!
Are there any details on fuel economy yet?
At first unveiling, Toyota had published estimated 27mpg on the Toyota website. This was taken down within 24 hours or so. EPA figures have yet to be released.
@@IndependenceOverland Toyota just got raided by the Japanese police, because they were lying about fuel economy and crash test results.
This is such an excellent video! It cuts through all the marketing hype, put out by Toyota and many of the automotive journalists, and focuses on the things that are really important for off-road ability in this vehicle.
Thank you, I appreciate that!
What type of battery powers the hybrid system?
I believe its iron chemistry.
Regardless of what the majority of these hardcore “LaNdCrUiSeR” owners say, I’m still getting it. I’m the one that’s going to be driving it, paying insurance, enjoying it, etc.
I’ve owned an FJ, currently have 2 4Runners and recently bought my wife a Corolla. Never had a problem with any of these and trust Toyota engineers to make this Land Cruiser a family friendly vehicle. Truth be told, the ones who are throwing the heat on this one are the ones who don’t really own a “Real” Landcruiser..from what I believe, the only REAL Landcruiser was the 80…
I can't agree more. This car was designed for its target audience and is for you and I--not the people decrying its "realness" who will never own one of these until it's 20 years old. New cars are sold new to new consumers. The 70-year-old man with a V8 Land Cruiser isn't going to be around for a whole bunch more of them!
Own an 80 and 200. This is not a real Land Cruiser 😉 But you do you... the new "Zupra" guys said the same thing.