I totally agree: the perfect ending should have been when he peered through the window when he heard the police sirens. His penance will have always been fear - looking out or over his shoulder for the police.
I kind of agree. I'm not 100% sure what they were actually going for but it kind of seemed like it was intended to put the audience in the same position as a juror to decide for ourselves. Should she let him go or have him arrested? I kind of like that but it was just a jarring ending.
I first thought the actual ending was a bit of cop-out since it allows the viewer to choose the ending he wants. But now I think its ok, because the decision is never final. At any point for the rest of his life, J2 will always have the option of confessing. He is not just condemning an innocent man to prison, but every day is another day of him deciding to continue the man's jail time. The situation of him at the door in front of the prosecutor is where he is for the resr of his life.
Eastwood committed the same goof even worse in Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil, which had a great ending .... but then it tacked on a little epilog with a much weaker ending ... then it tacked on another epilog with a ridiculous, even weaker ending. Despite being purportedly based on a nonfiction book, both epilogs are totally fabricated for the movie. Good film that left an awful aftertaste because it just wouldn't quit once it succeeded.
I like the ending but my issue is that Toni wouldn’t be the one showing up to his house, it would be the cops. Unless she went to let him know that she was pursuing him, in which case it would be a huge mistake because she’d be giving him a heads up and he could lam it.
She's probably there to conduct her own personal investigation. She has no proof that he did it other than a hunch and his vehicle had damage fixed around that time. It's really not enough to make an accusation this is why they were speaking in 3rd person about the suspect outside of the courthouse cause neither was completely sure.
The extra ending was supposed to be shocking and make the end twisty but doesn't really hold up after a couple of seconds thinking about it. Was she going to try to convince him to turn himself in? She doesn't gain anything but trouble for exposing him. And if she really was there to arrest him, why did she go alone? He's made it clear what he has decided to do and his mind isn't changing, ever. So while it may seem scary for him at that moment, she really can't do much to him. It's too late.
I believe the key was when his wife said, "The car is sold." Even though it had been repaired there's a good chance the victim's DNA would've still been detectable through blood and tissue fragments. That was the only way he could've been proven guilty beyond doubt. DNA gets you every time. I believe she knew that and purchased the SUV to run tests. She's coming to tell him the result.
Not sure if it's mentioned, but while open to the viewer, I think I interpreted it this way...Before the prosecutor knocks on the door, he says well the car is sold. It obvious she was investigating on her own and and had the conversation on the bench outside the courthouse that made it clear to here what happened...She is now been elected DA and has is free to pursue this even further...she chooses to do just this...this has most likely talked with the detective that was on the jury and has his testimony of being followed, has reviewed the phone video that night at the bar which I'm sure has juror 2 visable at some point in it when after she reviewed the full footage, Now that she is DA she can wield her power...the final piece..."The 4Runner is offically sold" as he drops the check on the table implying it has just be purchased and driven away by the new owner...the state of Georgia at the direction of the DA...She is there to offer a plea deal with fear that the state now has the the vehicle in their possession to possibly obtain DNA as well as a vehicle of reference for the old man to identify vs what the accused man car drove and not actual the "person"....she is willing to pursue it regardless as pursuing a new case with new evidence will allow an appeal to succeed an set free the innocent defendant and as juror 2 said may result in her losing her DA position on re-election if her case fails against him...she is willing to do such that as she feels being elected DA allows her to right a wrong and set an innocent man free...as this was why she was destined to be elected DA even if it meant for just a small time if it meant freeing an innocent man...she takes the high road while he took the low road. Also there are moments that will define Juror 2s life even if he gets off...like at the bridge...he drops his sobriety chip...if are not to believe he was sober that night (even though it is portrayed this way" this dropping of the chip symbolizes he did fall off the wagon and was drunk...if he was sober, this dropping of his chip at the site of the accident symbolizes that even if he gets away with it, it will eat at him and he will fall back into alcohol abuse and everything he is doing to be that family is in vain as he has now forfeited his chip...dropped it...his family will be lost anyway.
It’s because he doesn’t know he committed the crime until the trial actually starts and he gets to hear more details about the case and what happened. Also it is down to the lawyers to ask the right questions in the pre screening to rule out jurors with conflicts of interest
@@dipper888bp I don't think he remembered at the time. There is a scene where the defendant is on the stand where Justin puts the pieces together, at which point it's too late.
This was a great movie. I was hooked all the way. And when the DA knocked on the door I came searching for a review. I scrolled through and clicked this one. Didn't want to watch to spoil but same time i didn't want the new father to go to prison. A part of me wanted the jury to find him not guilty
I think setting up that dilemma is what makes this movie work so well. We understand what the right thing to do is but also why Justin is conflicted and why there are no easy or perfect answers.
What ??? What about the boyfriend who's innocent that got life and no possibility of parole , let's be real here if this was a real story am sure the guy would be eaten alive with guilt if he kept quiet which means that he may go back to drinking and you can guest what will happen after with his wife and newborn kid
@Beyourself.2345 wait, i watched the movie twice. First time i was convinced he was innocent until i saw the flashbacks. The flashbacks leave a doubt abiut his innocence cos he saw him in his car and they both passed by each other. And there was no scene that showed either of them hit the girl. The writers and or producers must have deliberately left those in there to keep us talking. Lol. But I still like it.
@@Beyourself.2345 Even if he didn’t strike the victim with his ride, he’d struck her before with his hands or other objects, and we’d heard about the vicious gang he’d been part of, as well as him saying he’d done bad things not to be proud of. The fact he didn’t protest in any way at the verdict or sentence shows he felt guilty about *something* and both were somehow justified, if not for the crime he was tried for.
@@phillmoney7162. he had to walk down that road because that’s where he parked his vehicle. And then once he got in, he turned around. The guy who was found guilty of killing his girlfriend. He didn’t park his car in the bar parking lot.
Even if it looks as if the new DA had changed her mind and was going to pursue charges against him after all, the end is *still* ambiguous. So the ending is just fine and dandy.
She was by herself , she probably went to assure him she and he will keep their secret. She is a cold blooded woman who sa rifed every moral to get to where she is and shes not about to throw it away
I would've preferred this approach. The 1st quarter of the movie given the revelation of what might have happened and the stakes of 40yrs without any recourse is the punchline. The ethical dilemma for his ability to clear the defendant should be the main focus. The next part is that of hit & run theory should've been concluded with the reveal of juror 2 being a prime suspect. The part of cedric piecing it together with the should have pushed it over and have the barmaid pay more attention, adding in the old man from the bridge.... Forcing Nicholas holt to react with the panic attacks and run. Throw in the idea of an OJ style high speed dash with the stand off plea from his wife to seek help and not to kill himself.
So, a man in love is spending “life” in prison when he knows his girlfriend’s killer is out living his best life? This is a shitty ending to her death.
Just watched I had a feeling it was gonna end like that you kinda get the gist of whats gonna happen though, it being a total accident he'll prob get 5 years max for good behavior or something, very surreal movie too, clint Eastwood does not miss
It feels like the movie could’ve ended three times already before it did 1) right after the conversation on the bench, 2) showing the happy family 3) after the police car guilt. I would’ve liked either one of those better than the ending that was chosen.
Totally, it makes you question the system and our own morals. We discussed the entire movie, what would you do if you were him? Or the prosecutor? Or his wife? There is a lot to reflect ...
I totally agree: the perfect ending should have been when he peered through the window when he heard the police sirens. His penance will have always been fear - looking out or over his shoulder for the police.
I kind of agree. I'm not 100% sure what they were actually going for but it kind of seemed like it was intended to put the audience in the same position as a juror to decide for ourselves. Should she let him go or have him arrested? I kind of like that but it was just a jarring ending.
I first thought the actual ending was a bit of cop-out since it allows the viewer to choose the ending he wants. But now I think its ok, because the decision is never final. At any point for the rest of his life, J2 will always have the option of confessing. He is not just condemning an innocent man to prison, but every day is another day of him deciding to continue the man's jail time. The situation of him at the door in front of the prosecutor is where he is for the resr of his life.
Eastwood committed the same goof even worse in Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil, which had a great ending .... but then it tacked on a little epilog with a much weaker ending ... then it tacked on another epilog with a ridiculous, even weaker ending. Despite being purportedly based on a nonfiction book, both epilogs are totally fabricated for the movie. Good film that left an awful aftertaste because it just wouldn't quit once it succeeded.
It may just be me but the ending hit me. I know Toni Collette was coming for him.. her face said it all! I’m not mad at the ending.
I like the ending but my issue is that Toni wouldn’t be the one showing up to his house, it would be the cops. Unless she went to let him know that she was pursuing him, in which case it would be a huge mistake because she’d be giving him a heads up and he could lam it.
She's probably there to conduct her own personal investigation. She has no proof that he did it other than a hunch and his vehicle had damage fixed around that time. It's really not enough to make an accusation this is why they were speaking in 3rd person about the suspect outside of the courthouse cause neither was completely sure.
The extra ending was supposed to be shocking and make the end twisty but doesn't really hold up after a couple of seconds thinking about it. Was she going to try to convince him to turn himself in? She doesn't gain anything but trouble for exposing him. And if she really was there to arrest him, why did she go alone? He's made it clear what he has decided to do and his mind isn't changing, ever. So while it may seem scary for him at that moment, she really can't do much to him. It's too late.
How do you know she was alone? Recall how Chris Hansen always showed up by himself to greet the old perv eating cookies.
I believe the key was when his wife said, "The car is sold." Even though it had been repaired there's a good chance the victim's DNA would've still been detectable through blood and tissue fragments. That was the only way he could've been proven guilty beyond doubt. DNA gets you every time. I believe she knew that and purchased the SUV to run tests. She's coming to tell him the result.
I thought the movie was going to end at the police sirens as well.
Not sure if it's mentioned, but while open to the viewer, I think I interpreted it this way...Before the prosecutor knocks on the door, he says well the car is sold. It obvious she was investigating on her own and and had the conversation on the bench outside the courthouse that made it clear to here what happened...She is now been elected DA and has is free to pursue this even further...she chooses to do just this...this has most likely talked with the detective that was on the jury and has his testimony of being followed, has reviewed the phone video that night at the bar which I'm sure has juror 2 visable at some point in it when after she reviewed the full footage, Now that she is DA she can wield her power...the final piece..."The 4Runner is offically sold" as he drops the check on the table implying it has just be purchased and driven away by the new owner...the state of Georgia at the direction of the DA...She is there to offer a plea deal with fear that the state now has the the vehicle in their possession to possibly obtain DNA as well as a vehicle of reference for the old man to identify vs what the accused man car drove and not actual the "person"....she is willing to pursue it regardless as pursuing a new case with new evidence will allow an appeal to succeed an set free the innocent defendant and as juror 2 said may result in her losing her DA position on re-election if her case fails against him...she is willing to do such that as she feels being elected DA allows her to right a wrong and set an innocent man free...as this was why she was destined to be elected DA even if it meant for just a small time if it meant freeing an innocent man...she takes the high road while he took the low road.
Also there are moments that will define Juror 2s life even if he gets off...like at the bridge...he drops his sobriety chip...if are not to believe he was sober that night (even though it is portrayed this way" this dropping of the chip symbolizes he did fall off the wagon and was drunk...if he was sober, this dropping of his chip at the site of the accident symbolizes that even if he gets away with it, it will eat at him and he will fall back into alcohol abuse and everything he is doing to be that family is in vain as he has now forfeited his chip...dropped it...his family will be lost anyway.
very true. the ending of the movie should be shown a bit more, it felt cut off and too short even tho everyone knew how it would end
What are your thoughts ? What really happened after that last scene, was he arrested ?!
That’s the beauty of a cliff hanger
why didn't he just say he was at the bar that night, he wouldn't have been picked as a juror?
It’s because he doesn’t know he committed the crime until the trial actually starts and he gets to hear more details about the case and what happened. Also it is down to the lawyers to ask the right questions in the pre screening to rule out jurors with conflicts of interest
@@EyeofTheStormMoviePodcastbut when he was being interviewed,didn't he see the defendant and know that he was there at the bar?
@@dipper888bp I don't think he remembered at the time. There is a scene where the defendant is on the stand where Justin puts the pieces together, at which point it's too late.
No it didn't occur to him until he was hearing what bar it was and where. Then it starts coming back to him
This was a great movie. I was hooked all the way. And when the DA knocked on the door I came searching for a review. I scrolled through and clicked this one. Didn't want to watch to spoil but same time i didn't want the new father to go to prison. A part of me wanted the jury to find him not guilty
I think setting up that dilemma is what makes this movie work so well. We understand what the right thing to do is but also why Justin is conflicted and why there are no easy or perfect answers.
What ??? What about the boyfriend who's innocent that got life and no possibility of parole , let's be real here if this was a real story am sure the guy would be eaten alive with guilt if he kept quiet which means that he may go back to drinking and you can guest what will happen after with his wife and newborn kid
@Beyourself.2345 wait, i watched the movie twice. First time i was convinced he was innocent until i saw the flashbacks. The flashbacks leave a doubt abiut his innocence cos he saw him in his car and they both passed by each other. And there was no scene that showed either of them hit the girl. The writers and or producers must have deliberately left those in there to keep us talking. Lol. But I still like it.
@@Beyourself.2345
Even if he didn’t strike the victim with his ride, he’d struck her before with his hands or other objects, and we’d heard about the vicious gang he’d been part of, as well as him saying he’d done bad things not to be proud of.
The fact he didn’t protest in any way at the verdict or sentence shows he felt guilty about *something* and both were somehow justified, if not for the crime he was tried for.
@@phillmoney7162. he had to walk down that road because that’s where he parked his vehicle. And then once he got in, he turned around. The guy who was found guilty of killing his girlfriend. He didn’t park his car in the bar parking lot.
Yeah the last few min brought it down from a 5/5 to a 4/5 for me. I still loved it though because I love courtroom dramas.
Even if it looks as if the new DA had changed her mind and was going to pursue charges against him after all, the end is *still* ambiguous. So the ending is just fine and dandy.
She was by herself , she probably went to assure him she and he will keep their secret. She is a cold blooded woman who sa rifed every moral to get to where she is and shes not about to throw it away
wrong, you can see her changing.
Do you think she showed up to the house to buy the car? To taunt him and let him know she’s not going to let it go.. Am I the only one..
Yes, you’re the only one. That’s beyond dumb 😂
@ are you always this pleasant?
It’s reasonable, not, “beyond dumb.” She bought the car so she can have it as evidence when there’s an appeal.
"The truth will always come out". I disagree. Lots of unsolved cases. And possibly cases we thought were solved but we don't know for sure.
Real, a lot of people in prison just like this case, a rushed investigation with no evidence and bunch of prejudice
I would've preferred this approach.
The 1st quarter of the movie given the revelation of what might have happened and the stakes of 40yrs without any recourse is the punchline.
The ethical dilemma for his ability to clear the defendant should be the main focus.
The next part is that of hit & run theory should've been concluded with the reveal of juror 2 being a prime suspect.
The part of cedric piecing it together with the should have pushed it over and have the barmaid pay more attention, adding in the old man from the bridge.... Forcing Nicholas holt to react with the panic attacks and run. Throw in the idea of an OJ style high speed dash with the stand off plea from his wife to seek help and not to kill himself.
So, a man in love is spending “life” in prison when he knows his girlfriend’s killer is out living his best life? This is a shitty ending to her death.
Just watched I had a feeling it was gonna end like that you kinda get the gist of whats gonna happen though, it being a total accident he'll prob get 5 years max for good behavior or something, very surreal movie too, clint Eastwood does not miss
It feels like the movie could’ve ended three times already before it did 1) right after the conversation on the bench, 2) showing the happy family 3) after the police car guilt. I would’ve liked either one of those better than the ending that was chosen.
100 % disagree, the end is unknown, we don't know why she's here ... either it's for arrest him or to discuss
You guys don't understand the movie or its theme. It's not about catching the bad guy.
Totally, it makes you question the system and our own morals. We discussed the entire movie, what would you do if you were him? Or the prosecutor? Or his wife? There is a lot to reflect ...
It’s more satisfying to know that the innocent man will not serve life in prison
That movie never had a perfect anything and you’re incredibly off on your explanation but I guess that’s your opinion for whatever that’s worth