Thank you very much for this test . Oscilloscopes are great for their price and behavior is very good . You are the first to test the behavior of these oscilloscopes in the bandwidth
Bogdan546, not a problem at all. I’m glad you asked for me to do the test. I love using & playing with my scopes. If you can think of any other test, or something you’d like to see me do with one of, or both of these scopes, just leave another comment describing what you’d like to see; and I’ll try and knock it out. Thanks again for stopping by my workshop. You are welcome anytime my friend.
Hi Atom. Great test and told me a lot about advertised vs actual bandwidth capabilities. The point at which the amplitude of the signal degrades by -3db is the maximum bandwith rating for the scope. I noticed that the signal on the ATO began shrinking at 30 Mhz and the other scope held the pattern until 50 Mhz. I'd like to see if the same holds true if you used one output channel on the signal generator and the same BNC cable with channel number one on both scopes. That should remove all variables except the scope itself. Switching the connector between each scope should give the purest test. Can the db drop be measured?
Hello Vash, how are you? Thank you for the comment. So how do I measure the dB? I guess I’ll google it and try and find out. So are you saying it’s no good? There I am thinking it’s good because it wasn’t bouncing around. I see what you are talking about, about the amplitude drop. However, I just tested it (ATO) to see what you were saying, and it didn’t shrink until 40MHz. Infact, it goes up to 5.28v pk-pk at 30MHz (from 5.12v pk-pk). Once I’m at 60MHz it’s switches between 4.12v pk-pk & 4.20v pk-pk. So that would be a difference of .92v & 1v. I’ll have to look at the specs to see if that’s what within the allowable range that they list. I can’t grab the STO at the moment. It’s in my gun safe in the bedroom, and I don’t want to wake my wife up getting it out of there; we have to be up in about 5 hrs. I have to get some sleep, but I’ll try to do what you asked tomorrow. About using the same cable and channel one on both scopes. I’ll reed your comment again right before the test to make sure I get it right. I’m pretty tired at the moment. Already dozed off while typing this, lol. Thanks again Vash
@@atomsworkshop195 What Vash said is correct the Bandwith of a scope is the frequency where the signal has dropped -3db (at about 70%) but you can only check that with good cabling and a good signalgenerator that is able to generate a uniform level over its whole range.
Should use 50 Ohm terminators at the oscilloscope input to prevent reflections down the bnc to bnc cables; 'scopes expect to see a normal probe on the input.
Hello evo evo, thanks for stopping by the channel. Unfortunately, there are no car/automotive presets on the STO. I suggested it to Micsig, but they said, at this time they have no plans to do so, and that the ATO is their automotive scope. I really wish they would give us the option to add the automotive presets to the STO. I’ve talked to quite a few people that feel the same way, and think that would be a great idea. That would be one awesome scope, if you combined the ATO & STO. Maybe if enough people suggest it to Micsig, they’ll come around and make it happen. Thanks again for the reply & for visiting my channel. You’re always welcomed here.
Hello qik65, thanks for that. Yes, you can test one on each channel. So for the ATO1104, you can test 4 different sensors at once. So, say you were looking at a 350z, you could look at bank 1 cmp sensor on channel 1, bank 2 cmp sensor on channel 2, the ckp sensor on channel 3, and say an ignition signal on channel 4. Thanks for stopping by the channel.
Hey Adam hope all is well. Question: when you do a quick save of a capture does the sto1104c have a way to bring that capture back up in oscilloscope mode in order to make edits? It seems to save them as pictures. But under "REF" it says "open in oscilloscope" when I click on it but thus far I haven't been able to find a way to do that.
Then you can go to files, then Ref, pick one, click rename, and label it. Unfortunately the amount of text you can put in is really limited. At least on the ATO1104. I feel like you can put a little more in on the STO, but I can’t remember for sure; and I don’t have my STO1104 with me at the moment.
Also, when you connect it to a computer, you can open everything under files except Reference waveforms (quick save). I contacted Micsig, and unfortunately that’s just how it is.
@@atomsworkshop195 ok, if use oscilloscope for car diagnostic and repair microelectronics, which one should I choose? I like buttons and encoders, but as I understand it, there are no presets in stp1104
Hello Anton. Wow, Belarus and Russia, that’s great. I think it’s pretty cool being able to talk with people from other countries. I’m in the United States. Anyway, about your question. First I bought the ATO for automotive diagnostics. Then I noticed the STO with the knobs and buttons, and thought that would be better, for when I’m wearing gloves and what not, so I got it. However, because of the automotive presets and options to choose which amp clamp I’m using, and a few other features, I ended up going back to the ATO for diagnosing vehicles. I ended up setting my STO up inside on my electronics table for everything else (other than automotive). So basically, if you are going to be using it to diagnose automobiles I would go with the ATO. Of course, you can also use the ATO for other electronics diagnostics or tinkering. I hope this helps you. I recommended to MicSig, to have an option to get the ATO with the knobs and buttons, but, at least, at this time, they have no plans to do so. They told me the ATO is their automotive scope. Maybe that will change in the future, who knows. Good luck my friend.
Hello Vladimir. I’m ok, thank you for asking. I’ve just been real busy with moving, which kept getting delayed. All the while my electronics are in boxes. We Finally moved a few days ago, but I still haven’t had a chance to set up my lab. As for the firmware update; I don’t believe I have seen one for the STO, since I got it. However, I haven’t tried in about a month. The ATO has had one since I got it. I hope to start making videos again soon. I’ve just been so busy lately. It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you’re doing well.
@@atomsworkshop195 Glad to hear you) Moving is cool) I wrote to the seller on aliexpress, about some shortcomings, he said that he would give everything to the engineers, but almost a year has passed and I have not received any new update. It is sad.
Sorry you haven’t heard anything Vladimir. You should write straight to Micsig. Maybe that would help. They added the invert button on the ATO, when I suggested it. Good luck my friend.
@@atomsworkshop195 Glad to know you're alright and just busy. Way things are presently one can't help but be concerned when a chap seems to drop off the radar. Looking forward to more videos when you have the time.
hello Automaxwell. Absolutely. I bought mine from Amazon. here is a copy of my order. I’ll try and post a copy of my order. After tax, the total was $811.86
hola Automaxwell. Absolutamente. Compré el mío a Amazon, aquí hay una copia de mi orden. Trataré de publicar una copia de mi orden. Después de impuestos, el total era de 811,86 dólares
The best I could do is copy and past my order details. If you want, I can show it in my next video(I changed the last 4 of my order #, and left out my name, address ,and credit card info for privacy) View order details Order date Jan 9, 2020 Order # 112-1529636-436#%^# Order total $811.86 (1 item) Shipment details One-Day Shipping Shipped Jan 10, 2020 Micsig Digital Automotive Tablet Oscilloscope 100MHz 4 Channels ATO1104 $749.99 Qty: 1 Sold By: SainSmart Official
Thank you Atom. Good job again. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
Hey there Billy, thanks for that. I always appreciate the positive feedback. That is one of my main motivations to continue making these videos.
Thank you very much for this test .
Oscilloscopes are great for their price and behavior is very good . You are the first to test the behavior of these oscilloscopes in the bandwidth
Bogdan546, not a problem at all. I’m glad you asked for me to do the test. I love using & playing with my scopes. If you can think of any other test, or something you’d like to see me do with one of, or both of these scopes, just leave another comment describing what you’d like to see; and I’ll try and knock it out. Thanks again for stopping by my workshop. You are welcome anytime my friend.
Hi Atom. Great test and told me a lot about advertised vs actual bandwidth capabilities. The point at which the amplitude of the signal degrades by -3db is the maximum bandwith rating for the scope. I noticed that the signal on the ATO began shrinking at 30 Mhz and the other scope held the pattern until 50 Mhz. I'd like to see if the same holds true if you used one output channel on the signal generator and the same BNC cable with channel number one on both scopes. That should remove all variables except the scope itself. Switching the connector between each scope should give the purest test. Can the db drop be measured?
Hello Vash, how are you? Thank you for the comment. So how do I measure the dB? I guess I’ll google it and try and find out. So are you saying it’s no good? There I am thinking it’s good because it wasn’t bouncing around. I see what you are talking about, about the amplitude drop. However, I just tested it (ATO) to see what you were saying, and it didn’t shrink until 40MHz. Infact, it goes up to 5.28v pk-pk at 30MHz (from 5.12v pk-pk). Once I’m at 60MHz it’s switches between 4.12v pk-pk & 4.20v pk-pk. So that would be a difference of .92v & 1v. I’ll have to look at the specs to see if that’s what within the allowable range that they list. I can’t grab the STO at the moment. It’s in my gun safe in the bedroom, and I don’t want to wake my wife up getting it out of there; we have to be up in about 5 hrs. I have to get some sleep, but I’ll try to do what you asked tomorrow. About using the same cable and channel one on both scopes. I’ll reed your comment again right before the test to make sure I get it right. I’m pretty tired at the moment. Already dozed off while typing this, lol. Thanks again Vash
@@atomsworkshop195 What Vash said is correct the Bandwith of a scope is the frequency where the signal has dropped -3db (at about 70%) but you can only check that with good cabling and a good signalgenerator that is able to generate a uniform level over its whole range.
Should use 50 Ohm terminators at the oscilloscope input to prevent reflections down the bnc to bnc cables; 'scopes expect to see a normal probe on the input.
Thanks for that advice John Wright, I did not know that.
thankyou for this video, just wanna ask if thers a preset for car sensor in sto1104 like in ato1104? thank you
Hello evo evo, thanks for stopping by the channel. Unfortunately, there are no car/automotive presets on the STO. I suggested it to Micsig, but they said, at this time they have no plans to do so, and that the ATO is their automotive scope. I really wish they would give us the option to add the automotive presets to the STO. I’ve talked to quite a few people that feel the same way, and think that would be a great idea. That would be one awesome scope, if you combined the ATO & STO. Maybe if enough people suggest it to Micsig, they’ll come around and make it happen. Thanks again for the reply & for visiting my channel. You’re always welcomed here.
Nice vids .seeing how the sensor test are programmed into the ato1104 can u test multiple sensors at the same time
Hello qik65, thanks for that. Yes, you can test one on each channel. So for the ATO1104, you can test 4 different sensors at once. So, say you were looking at a 350z, you could look at bank 1 cmp sensor on channel 1, bank 2 cmp sensor on channel 2, the ckp sensor on channel 3, and say an ignition signal on channel 4. Thanks for stopping by the channel.
Hey Adam hope all is well.
Question: when you do a quick save of a capture does the sto1104c have a way to bring that capture back up in oscilloscope mode in order to make edits?
It seems to save them as pictures. But under "REF" it says "open in oscilloscope" when I click on it but thus far I haven't been able to find a way to do that.
If you got to this video of mine, you can fast forward to 4:45.
th-cam.com/video/vJn7mlELsbw/w-d-xo.html
Then you can go to files, then Ref, pick one, click rename, and label it. Unfortunately the amount of text you can put in is really limited. At least on the ATO1104. I feel like you can put a little more in on the STO, but I can’t remember for sure; and I don’t have my STO1104 with me at the moment.
Also, when you connect it to a computer, you can open everything under files except Reference waveforms (quick save). I contacted Micsig, and unfortunately that’s just how it is.
Hello, sto1104 are ato1104 for car diagnostic?
Hello Anton. Yes the ATO1104 is for automotive diagnostics. It has presets and settings for many auto diag tests. Thanks for stopping by.
@@atomsworkshop195 ok, if use oscilloscope for car diagnostic and repair microelectronics, which one should I choose? I like buttons and encoders, but as I understand it, there are no presets in stp1104
@@atomsworkshop195 im from belarus and russian TH-cam no more information about this scope
Hello Anton. Wow, Belarus and Russia, that’s great. I think it’s pretty cool being able to talk with people from other countries. I’m in the United States. Anyway, about your question. First I bought the ATO for automotive diagnostics. Then I noticed the STO with the knobs and buttons, and thought that would be better, for when I’m wearing gloves and what not, so I got it. However, because of the automotive presets and options to choose which amp clamp I’m using, and a few other features, I ended up going back to the ATO for diagnosing vehicles. I ended up setting my STO up inside on my electronics table for everything else (other than automotive).
So basically, if you are going to be using it to diagnose automobiles I would go with the ATO. Of course, you can also use the ATO for other electronics diagnostics or tinkering. I hope this helps you. I recommended to MicSig, to have an option to get the ATO with the knobs and buttons, but, at least, at this time, they have no plans to do so. They told me the ATO is their automotive scope. Maybe that will change in the future, who knows. Good luck my friend.
@@atomsworkshop195 thanks for the chat, have a nice day
Hi Atom 👋
For a long time there is no video from you, how are you?)
Since the purchase of STO, have you received at least some firmware update?
Hello Vladimir. I’m ok, thank you for asking. I’ve just been real busy with moving, which kept getting delayed. All the while my electronics are in boxes. We Finally moved a few days ago, but I still haven’t had a chance to set up my lab. As for the firmware update; I don’t believe I have seen one for the STO, since I got it. However, I haven’t tried in about a month. The ATO has had one since I got it. I hope to start making videos again soon. I’ve just been so busy lately. It’s nice to hear from you. I hope you’re doing well.
@@atomsworkshop195 Glad to hear you)
Moving is cool)
I wrote to the seller on aliexpress, about some shortcomings, he said that he would give everything to the engineers, but almost a year has passed and I have not received any new update.
It is sad.
Sorry you haven’t heard anything Vladimir. You should write straight to Micsig. Maybe that would help. They added the invert button on the ATO, when I suggested it. Good luck my friend.
@@atomsworkshop195 Hi Hi Atom)
I will do so, I will write directly to Micsig, thanks)
Upload new videos, it will be nice to watch)
@@atomsworkshop195 Glad to know you're alright and just busy.
Way things are presently one can't help but be concerned when a chap seems to drop off the radar.
Looking forward to more videos when you have the time.
Hola Atom , podrías darme información sobre el vendedor donde adquiriste el ATO1104 . Gracias
hello Automaxwell. Absolutely. I bought mine from Amazon. here is a copy of my order. I’ll try and post a copy of my order. After tax, the total was $811.86
hola Automaxwell. Absolutamente. Compré el mío a Amazon, aquí hay una copia de mi orden. Trataré de publicar una copia de mi orden. Después de impuestos, el total era de 811,86 dólares
It won’t let me post a picture
No me dejará publicar una foto
The best I could do is copy and past my order details. If you want, I can show it in my next video(I changed the last 4 of my order #, and left out my name, address ,and credit card info for privacy)
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