Has owning an 11 year old BMW M3 E92 ruined me? My 1 year of ownership review | Road & Race S04E14
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- I've used my 11 year old, E92 M3 as my daily car for a year now, so what’s it been like? Have repair costs ruined me? And what gadgets have I never used?
So, this time on Road and Race, what it's really like living with an M3.
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I've had 5 M3's, and this is my favorite. The throttle response, linear power and sound are WAY better than the M4, but you're right about the crappy fuel mileage. It's hysterical that the fuel light comes on at 1/4 tank!
Interesting for you today. Not driven the M4 yet but it’s in my list! 1/4 tank warning is after I coded it to warn me later, used to come on even earlier!
In the E60 M5 the fuel light comes in at 1/4 tank as that is deemed as the reserve.. madness!
Great video 👍🏼
Nicolas Pyke
What you expect an E60 M5 get 6/7 mpg and it’s only a 20 gal tank I owned one for 5 yrs, my new M5 gets 14 mpg with 140 more hp
1/4 tank considered reserve!!! That’s his nuts !
@@RoadandRacetv A road tax?? 😮
6000 miles in a year? I’ve done that in 3 months, I think I have a problem
27k a year get at me
Brian Carroll you could never lease a car. And neither could I
HOONDA RR 3 months? Geez I do that in like 3 weeks lol
I've only done 2000 miles in the 2 years I've had my e92 m3. Think I'm the one with the problem lol.
HOONDA RR My dad drives around Scotland for work, he’s done 90,000 in 13 moths 😳
Just like you! I own an E93 M3 and I look back at her everytime after I've parked her. ..plus her sound, this car is pure magic!
I just purchased a 14 year-old E46 M3 with 144K miles on it. It took about $8K to get it back to its original glory. That's when I realized that almost anyone can afford to buy one of these now, but not everyone can afford to drive and maintain it.
Owned an 08 for 4 years. Loved it, didn't spend a penny on repairs, just oil changes. I will be getting one again for sure.
I loled hard at the fuel light sound and icon... I feel you on that...
Glad to hear you’re having a good time with the car and you’ve kept the running costs down. Doing any repair yourself will help a ton as well.
the voice recognition is funny as hell. I totally get it.
Another 2 items fail will be idle control valve and fuel breather valve. They don’t fail as frequent but they are known issues.
Thanks for assisting the rest of us newer owners or 'might be owners'. Hope to see updates. (2011 E92 with 48k miles, I'm 2nd owner since early 2018)
The E92 M3 is a legend. I would personally take it over any new car even with that heavy fuel consumption.
Lol that's great for a V8. It's not like the turbo 6 cylinders do that much better.
Legend? Lol. You bmw people and your status. Its just a car.
@@FalloutEpic it is a legend... Why? Because it's race car version won the nurburgring 24h
@@FalloutEpic “just a car” says the civic owner 🤣
@@yusufbey1587 Salty? And no, I dont drive a civic.
Great to see your channel growing so quickly Neil
Big thanks Nick. So nice of you to say. I’m not as popular as you yet but maybe one day. The Clio videos didn’t really find an audience but this M3 one appears to be doing better.
It's a great quality review
Just bought my first M3 vert, these videos are great, defo really helpful 👍🏻
Very nice video. Love the voice recognition feature demo bit in particular.
Was looking forward to more M3 vids, thanks Neil. The voice recognition stint was hilarious!
I am shocked how much road tax and tyres are though!
Thanks Matt. Another M3 video this week!
More thank welcome mate :) keep uploading and I'll keep watching
Great review, thanks for letting us know your experience!
Brilliant video, look forward to seeing more
Even though this vid was made in car it was my favourite so far. The sharp focus on you and blurred fore/background is easy to watch, nice touch.
Cheers James, glad you noticed. It's takes ages to set up the big camera to get the shot but hopefully it's worth it!
Your videos are very organized. I like your style man, keep up the good work
Thanks man! Will do.
The voice recognition made my day- I just laughed so much!!
I took my 12-year-old 1993 E36 M3 up to over 200,000 miles and it never missed a beat - no matter what I threw at it. The original clutch lasted 130,000 miles before it gave up, but that was the only thing that ever went on it - the engine was totally untouched in all that time . Like yourself, I carried out regular oil changes (every 5000 Miles) and that really does make a difference to longevity.
Many Thanks,
Peace from London. 👍👍
The voice commands LOL!! Great review man!
YOU should do “preventive maintenance “. Specially with internal failures knows on this motor
His rod bearings will go out soon. Ticking time bomb
@@enyce184 It's a myth. Dealer mechanics confirm there is no reason to wet the bed. Beamer Fam channel has one with 133K miles on original bearings, before replacement and he ripped it hard. Not outrageous for a car with that performance.
Came to your channel because of the Clio videos and now have already watched every single one of you. I really enjoy this channel, it is great information and for my sense of humor really funny.
Keep going and greetings from Bavaria, Germany
Thanks so much mate. So glad you like the videos. Let me know what you’d like to see next. Is the Clio a popular car in Germany?
Road and Race
In general the Clio is not the most popular car in Germany because the usual ones are just simple, small cars and Renault is still for many a synonym for "zero reliability". But the Renault Clio and Megane RS versions of pretty much every generation are very popular as cars for everyday use AND going on a track. Especially the nordschleife is a place you can find many of them.
I am driving Renault basically all my life and actually a Clio mk 4. I never had any real issues with my Renaults, so I can't understand people talking so much about "bad French cars" without having ever owned one.
I think it's somehow the same as with "an M3 costs you a fortune to own" or "driving Porsche is only possible if you are earning money like a doctor". Everybody heard something, but almost nobody really knows it really.
I think such content about fun but affordable cars (compared to what they did cost new) and how to improve them is a really great topic and not too much on TH-cam yet.
Great video 👍🏼 always good to hear about the actual costs
Thanks mate.
I have a 2008 E90 M3 with 83K miles on it and the biggest, expensive failures I've paid for or done myself in the last 7 years: 1) Replace throttle valve actuators, ~$1000 each at budget shop, ~$2000 each at dealer; 2) Replace leaking valve cover gaskets (my DIY cost ~$350; dealer cost ~$1100) 3) Replace leaking oil filter housing gasket ~$600 at budget shop). Tire and fuel costs about the same you mentioned... but in the US, I'm only getting 14 city mpg and 20 highway mpg, usually combined around 15 mpg so it does guzzle gas. Upgrades I recommend and have done: $150 for AFE high flow intake; $1700 for Borla exhaust - sounds amazing and combined estimated 50 hp increase... highly recommend this car if you can stomach the expensive failures, which once fixed, won't happen again for another ~70K miles. Oil changes, even DIY, are expensive as the oil is ~$12 per liter and it takes ~9 liters and filter is ~$20
Really enjoy your videos,always look forward to them. These cars are fantastic last of the real drivers cars.n/a motor that sings you just cannot beat it! Look forward to the next video 👍🏻
Thanks mate. Yeah the V8 above 4000 rpm is mighty.
It’s just something that’s not going to be replicated sadly.its an end of an era for cars,it’s the last car with an identity imo.everything is a 3.0-4.0 turbo now so nothing feels different...all cars are becoming the same!
Great review, glad to hear you have had a great ownership experience!
Cheers mate, so kind of you to say.
Subbed! Brilliant video, so professional and informative!
It's 12k average yearly miles in the States. Being driven conservatively gentle. M3 fan use to dream about owning a canary yellow previous generation. 😎
Same in the UK.
Nice video. Thx for sharing. I’ve had good luck with my 08 e93 ,great cars!
Yo man, this is such a good review of this car seeing as I hope and pray to own one of these one day! You have a lovely colour there and as a I said, a fantastic car
I got my E90 M3 a year ago and all I’ve replaced was the fuel pump ($1,100). Over all, this car is fantastic.
Loved your telephone example 😂.
Cheers Terry!
That was sooo funny. Voice recognition just never ever works.
lol, yeah, that killed me too :DDD
Really informative review, you explained everything that even a layman could understand
positive introduction and review on the car. my man
Thanks John.
Very very good review. My experiences are the same. Gonna keep this car for a long time. Cheers!
Very useful as I am considering a purchase of one of these later this year. Thanks!
No problem mate. I've a Buyers Guide too if that helps on the channel.
Greatest bmw ever after the E39 m5. I'm on my second e92 m3. Such awesome and we'll rounded cars
AYE OK SURE do you own or ever have owned an M3 then? as ive had 2, E36 and E46 and they were almost faultless bar a couple of silly little things on the E46, Ive driven an E90 M3 and it could eat either of my M3s for breakfast...tell us your thoughts on your own M series experiences...oh yeah you've read some magazines and watched a few TH-cam vids and that is now your ill informed opinion...
Augusto Ortiz no he probably hasn't got a licence... I would say one thing to you, the E46 csl was epic car but the std e46 M3 was an excellent car, also dont write off the E36, as a few good editions were made that corrected the issues of the 1st E36 M3, the 3.0GT was a very good car which was a homologation special for GT racing and the 3.2 EVO was how the E36 M3 should have been from the start, but if your from the States then you never got the E36 in full M spec, as the States got a slightly breathed on 328i sport which was turned into a 3.0 with a few mods putting out 240hp while the E36 EVO had 321hp with a proper M engine 👍
AYE OK SURE - 😂😂😂😂😂 clearly know absolutely nothing about cars..not to mind m cars. You are an absolute simpleton. Iv been in all 4 M3s, and owned 3. The E92 is and always will be the daddy.
Augusto Ortiz it is odd BMW went to all that fuss and trouble modifying the 328i sport and calling it an M3 when they could of just exported the M3 to the states.....
The E36 M3 3.0GT is the one worth all the money as they are shooting up in price over here...their mods were, upper and lower strut braces, dual oil pumps, baffled sump, adjustable splitter and larger adjustable rear wing, different cams and revised inlet mainfold, BMW rated them at 295hp but the tuners all say its more like 315hp when put on the rollers...
Out of the 50 RHD versions, there are only 27 left and all were British racing green....👍
Very useful video. I've always wanted an E92. Now that I can afford the M3 I'm likely to buy one.
a true wonderful car! Very usable and a great allrounder.
Great video Neil👍
Thanks mate.
Great video. I just found you as I'm seriously considering buying one very soon. I've previously had and E36 & E46 M3 and I loved both but, the E46 was perfect at the time. Now that I'm in the market again, I'm trying to talk myself out of another E46 and into an E92. Thank you. Still unsure, but armed with more perspective.
I have a 2008 M3 and I love it...only 38k miles but I plan on really driving it more over this spring/summer; since its CONVERTIBLE.
great review!!!
Great video, just subscribed.
Thanks for the sub mate!
Sames
Solid review.
Solid Channel. 👍
Thanks mate
Nice one, glad you are enjoying your m3! It does look mint and of course I have no doubt it is a riot to drive. Cheers, Pedro.
Thanks mate. You at Abingdon in Feb?
Excellent video
I had 3 M3s and I loved the E36. The e90 was the best at everything when it was working only... now I have an E36 m3 again and I'm in love plus is not the most reliable like my maserati coupe manual.
Very useful and informative, Thank You!
Thanks for watching Hayden. 👍🏻
love the comfort open feature
"Would you like to be connected to terry" - Yesss. Hahahaha dunno why i found this so funny.
Nankang actually make some exceptional quality tires, especially for track use
Great video, thanks for the info! :)
Interesting to hear what one man seems to suggest as expensive running costs like TAX, Tyres and fuel but remember a £60k car will still have £60k running costs 10 years on regardless of what you paid for it. Personally I thought the running costs ridiculously cheap for what it is.
Calling Terry had me in stitches 🤣🤣
Great review
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks mate.
I have a F32 430d it comes with Potenza run flats fitted which are expensive , did a lot of research online and the reviews on the new Falkens came out well,so I went for them. My local tyre shop quoted me cheaper than My Tyres and Black Circle , I am very pleased saved 30% over the Potenza,s . I have done 6000 miles on them grip, ride and wear seem just as good.
Cool, will check out the Falkens
Run flats are overrated. Ruined a wheel that way because when driving I had no idea my tire was low.
Great video as always Neil. I'd like to see you sell it purely for selfish reasons as it's great to get your in-depth insight on cars you've owned. Tough car to replace tho.
Thanks mate, so nice if you to say! Yeah will be a tough one to replace!
Tesla have offered me a press loan of their Model S in a few week so I’ll get to review that soon.
Bahahahaha
Drives daily ?? Done 6k miles in a year ?? Gearbox it STILL good??
Use PAGID (cheapest)brakes in m3 ??
Coolant from pc world.
Subscribed
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what other brake pads would you suggest?
beautiful should be getting a 05 one by the end of the month such a beautiful car
Off the back of this video, I just totalled up the cost of my E46 M3 on maintenance and repairs in 2017 alone. Total: £2,798.98 - not including some of the work I’ve done myself.
Christ almighty, should be getting something newer 😭
rapidvtec it’s either repairs or a Monthly payment..
They are stupid easy to work on. Learn how to wrench
Great Video thanks for sharing.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
you deserve many more subscribers for this content well done 👍
Thanks James, nice for you to say so.
Always appreciate the thoughtful and detailed approach you take to your videos. Just posted my first video yesterday (quick runs at a local auto-x event) inspired by your channel to get out there and share in the trials and tribulations of a love affair with cars! Keep up the great work. I hope to create content you'd follow in the coming weeks and months. D
Thanks, that’s so kind of you to say. I really appreciate that. Will check out your vid.
Awesome video and superd car. Greetings man !
Funny how to me an 11 year old car seams new😂 my mx5 is 23 years old, with 50k on the clock so is still in great shape, with next to no body/ chassis rust👍🏻
THE PROBLEMS ARE WITH GEARBOX AND ENGINE
50k is like new so yeah, not that strange that it feels like new if youi compare it to an 10 year old car with 250k (mine)
Ruben Witters I mean a 10 year old car seems new when I think mine is 23 years old, actually older than me👌🏻
Thats because mx5 electro mechanical parts shit all over german parts.
For instance compare a mx5 window regulator to a bmw one. Look at the quality difference.
khurramsultan2012 very true, Japanese cars are very well built👌🏻
Great video
Great video, the E92’s are very underrated, one of if not the best M3’s to date. I myself owned a gremlin filled E46. And yes the maintenance will kill ya. But, I was looking at picking up an E92, it’s like TH-cam read my mind. Thanks for the information.
Thanks mate!
Good video! Have watched all your previous M3 vids - popped out and bought an E92 M3 myself so these are all very helpful! Is that just the stock exhaust?
Big thanks Euan. It’s the stock exhaust but modified - the 2 pipe mod.
What lead you to pick those brake pads in particular by the way?
Brilliant review, road tax is one of the major problem
Hey great video, glad you're enjoying the car. I think I may have bought my 2011 M3 just after you got yours. I bought mine with an extended warranty for an extra $5k. Got her in June of 2017.
Since then I've done my own oil change, I changed the spark plugs, cabin air filters, and wiper blades. I also put on a set if Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4s for the winter. I bought a set of cheap wheels for them so I can change them out myself, when I feel like it. I've flushed and filled the coolant, I'm using Brembo pads which cost less than the BMW pads. I changed the sensor wires at the same time too.
Unfortunately I have had some issues. There was a recall on the battery cable that supplies power to all electronics on the car, my car was affected. In fact, I found out about the recall after I experienced the problem. Luckily, my extended warranty covers roadside assistance and BMW Canada paid for the recall service. This was a major failure, nothing on the car worked, you couldn't even start it. The DSC module on the car failed, again... luckily my extended warranty covered the cost of the part and labour which was over $5k, so that extended warranty has paid for itself in less than a year.
Other than that she has been great. I bought her with 87,000 KM and I've put on 9,000 km. Sounds like music and goes like a beast! Track days are fun, daily drives are a little frustrating, as she wants to rev but I rarely have space to let her sing in traffic. Thanks for the vid.
Nice work there. Good to hear you do the jobs on the car yourself.
I bought my competition pack car back in October, so not had any decent temps to enjoy it, just put the dct in auto the thing drives itself virtually, I am very careful to warm it up properly though so as not to put too much strain on the rod bearings from cold. Only 1570 competition pack cars made and mine is in interlagos blue only 313 rhd cars made in that colour and a fraction of those in comp pack form.
So cool. Love that colour. Yeah, good advice about the bearings.
1 question , what makes rod bearings usually break?
Munzir Rafik they don't break they wear out. With lack of lubrication because 10w60 oil is quite thick when cold so lubrication happens properly when the engine is fully warmed up and the viscosity of the oil thins out thus giving much better lubrication so reducing wear on the bearings. Hope that helps.
E92 M3 GUY yeah thanks for advie . So my country has lowest temp by 27c . does that help alot ?
Munzir Rafik certainly does , it means it will warm up far quicker. A few weeks ago it was minus 6 degrees C. Here in northern England.
Nice video!
Great review... glad to hear you have plenty of "thread" left on your tyres.
Cheers Chris. Okay, okay, give me a break!
Road and Race Haha, always love watching your vids, own an e46 m3 and Clio 182 myself
Cheers Chris. Good choice of motors you have there! Do you track them?
Road and Race track m3 a bit Yeah, just got Clio a few months ago and busy doing mot repairs as been off the road awhile.
Fuji Customs spelt not "spelled" haha we could go on all day ;)
Ive out in about 4k miles in my E90 M3 and I love it it's surprisingly practice biggest complaint would obviously be the gas I fill up around 3 times a week (roughly $150 a week on gas) only repairs I've had to make is a new alternator and rod bearings which was upon buying the car but other than that it's been a very reliable daily and holds its own with carrying groceries
Oh and the oil (10w-60) is pretty pricey too and if you drive like me you will need a quart of so every now and then
Great Video. Thanks
I love my M3 E92 and will never sell it.
Knock knock
I am dying to get one, can't find one that has been taken care of in my area though it's a bummer.
Yes, owning a 2013 M3 E92 w/competition package, DCT, CF roof, all options except heated seats, has ruined me in the under $100K car range. The M3 w/V-8 has been a very dependable and very reliable daily driver. Yes parts are expensive and dealerships overcharge for every service with tires at TWICE the normal price which bothers me the most! Plus even the dealership usually has to order a tire most always not in stock, so new tire means a DROP OFF & WAIT 2 DAYS.........but my dealership provides LOANER cars FOR FREE! That loaner program will figure in heavily as to if I buy my next car via their sales team. Loaners bring back buyers! The M3 E92 V8 is a car that will always put a smile on your face, every time you start it up! BUY ONE NOW, DO NOT WAIT for prices to go UP. It’s so much fun to drive even going to get groceries can be fun if you take that long, twisty road to the store..............(stock everything & still fun) but wait till I supercharge at 7 years of ownership.
You would sell if you drove an e46 M3
Old one much better quality, they are getting expensive and less life span...
Thanks for the review especially concerning cost of ownership. I'm shopping for one right now. Great looking car except, I guess you know, they put your steering wheel on the wrong side :)
We have the steering wheel on the right side it’s the rest of the world that’s wrong. Hope you find a good one. My sons got one they are one hell of a car.
I heard those MPG figures and jumped in joy! Here in the USA its about 3 dollars a gallon. My Bronco gets about 7 mpg city
Tyre thread or tread? 😏
Fraser P he’s reverse Irish
Tyre or tire
@@blainegabbertgabonemhofgoa6602 tiere
Or was it Fred
@@blainegabbertgabonemhofgoa6602 tyre in english.
This is a great looking car!
BMW-E90-HQ r.
No, its not.
8:21, this is wierd, I was watching that episode of Columbo yesterday and haven't watched Columbo in about 30 years.
@9:27 best part of a great video..... yessss
Bought an E92 Monte Carlo partly because of your videos. Love it. I also never use the pre heat car setting. Do you have any battery issues?
Cool, glad to hear it! No, no batteries issues as far as I'm aware. What issues do you get?
Very informative and well produced review! We have been thinking about an E36 M3... Do you feel the E93 is worth the added expense? Thanks! f
Thanks so much Franny. I’ve never driven the E36 so can’t really say. I guess it all depends on what you want from the car. For me i wanted something fairly modern and safe as it would be my only car.
I just bought a 2016 328i for that price
After seeing this video, I wish I could come back in time haha
M3 is such a legend
The design looks awesome even for today’s standards
Thanks for this I’m looking at one
Thanks for this video sir. Just subbed. Wondering if you have any extra warranty coverage on your car? Did you buy it privately? I'm picking up a 2010 M3 tomorrow with only 38k KMs on it, or about 24k miles, from a reputable BMW dealer. Trying to decide if I should opt for some extra coverage. I'm not worried about the fuel economy, as I won't be daily driving it, but I feel even better about my decision to get one of these cars now. Your car looks great, did you add the competition pack wheels? How long do you think you'll be keeping it?
Thanks for the sub Philip. I bought it privately and the previous owner had a BMW warranty. As I like repairing cars and to avoid the £920 a year charge I didn’t continue it. Obviously that’s a risk. If you don’t work on cars then the warranty gives piece of mind. I’ve videos in Series 1 on how to do basic servicing if that helps? The wheels came with the car and yes, I love them.
Nice and informative, great video 👍
Thanks Marcus. 👍🏻
Nankangs are actually really quite good (in the dry) and fun in the wet, ive had plenty of 400bhp+ cars and always swapped out what ever rubber is on them for nankangs, i cant imagine how you are getting 2 years out of rear tyres, i dont think ive ever had a set of rears last a year, no matter which rubber 😂
Great title! Love the M3! I have an e85 :D
What is that aux input setup called?? I need one! And can it be ordered on Amazon?
Make sure you do the conrod bearings before 70,000 mate. They really need to be done. My friend owns a BMW specialist workshop and he takes badly burnt bearings out of motors that seemingly run perfectly.
Are rod bearings and throttle actuators a problem common to the same era 335Xi Sport coupe? Thank you
My 57 plate e92 m3 has cost me £3600 in last 18 months or so(major abs replacement,new battery &brake shoes,you might have this still to come pal😉),when I'm not in it,it's definitely going, when I'm in it, I'm definitely keeping it!(oh nearly forgot, putting Michelin pilot sport 4s on(£1k)after my winter tyres(£1k)come off,so trust me, NOTHING is cheap with this car!👍😉
Don't be a hater bro.
I want a E92/E90 M3 so bad.. Love the sound too, but it just doesn't come close to the performance of the N54 from those years.. I wouldn't want to have to supercharge the s65 and there is not much more room for power NA on these blocks. Again still one of the best sounding engines of all time.
Well I guess higher RPMs, higher compression could work but reliability is still important to me lol
Great video thanks