‘Russia must lose to stop World War III’ | Ukraine: The Latest Anniversary Special in Kyiv
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- Telegraph journalists David Knowles, Francis Dearnley and Dominic Nicholls were joined by Oleksandra Matviichuk, the head of the Center for Civil Liberties.
“As a human rights lawyer, I have spent years and years implementing law to defend people and human dignity,” said Ms Matviichuk.
“But now I find myself in a situation where the law doesn’t work. Because Russian troops are deliberately shelling residential buildings, schools, churches, hospitals.
“They are abducting, robbing, raping and killing civilians… and the entire UN architecture of peace and security can’t stop it.
“My answer is: give Ukraine weapons.”
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As Oleksandra points out, the war has been going on for ten years, not for two.
This thought-provoking unofficial debate between non-political, yet first-hand knowledgeable speakers should be aired across Western nations. We are living through very dangerous days and here we are being given a gentle but firm warning ! Time is precious - is there still time for collective realisation and for action to be taken ?🤞
Sun Tzu, the Art of War: 'Know your enemy' - the West has failed on this wrt Russia.
I wonder why the people who got us into Iraq, are hesitant about ‘punishing aggression’?
It made Russia its enemy by paying for the 2014 Coup which then started ethnic cleansing the Russia Population in Ukraine.
The West doesn't know itself either which is the rest of Tse's formula. It abandoned Truth a millenium ago in the Great Schism. Which was when this war really started. It is a spiritual fight. Western media admits it interestingly. The West chose succumb to the Snake's proposition in Genesis 3. Going the way of hybris and Pride which it openly celebrates. Perverted the rainbow which was a symbol for the covenant between man and God. Removed its vertical component, with only nihilism left. It is impossible not to defeat such a spiritually debased culture as the West has become. Which was predicted btw by such as Saint Palamas. Repent or be destroyed.
The West is irredeemably arrogant.
Criminals are those who commit crimes ... as well as those who watch and do nothing.
At 72yrs l have seen so much apathetic rhetoric from politicians that are platitudes for the moment not for the long haul. At 70 l went to Ukrain from Manchester twice with medical supplies twice before going home to Australia. My father was a tank commander of 3 tanks Welsh guards armoured division) & fought through to Germany getting blown up twice. We have done something & want to do more if l get the chance. Here in OZ very few discuss the war that threatens their peaceful lives. God help us all for our complacency as it's costing Ukrain & indeed Russian lives. Shame on us.
Yes, I agree... if we look at all global conflicts that have ever happened to our planet, it's all started from and by the western idiot leaders. This war is absurd and it shouldn't have happened... my fear is that the pacific war is coming soon.. with all this AUKUS, QUAD, and so on... and it's another incredibly stupid war if it ever happened.
The war in Ukraine has nothing to do with Australia and lets keep it that way. Leave the US and the UK to pretend they can control the globe.
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Well put!
Another amazing discussion to listen to. I particularly enjoyed the discuss around the statement by western leaders of “as long as it takes”. Dom has the perfect response to that statement, which is “to do what”.
On this second anniversary of this war, I am unfortunately coming to the conclusion that “the west or democratic countries” have not learned the lessons of history and as such are doomed to repeat it.
History never ever repeats itself only propagandarist do that ?
Exactly right
I agree. I am not sure politicians even are sure themselves!
@@jonathancollett8322Well, they are sure that they would rather burn the world in ww3 if the alternative would be loosing their position in the world as part of the block with absolute power with their "rules based order".
Watch this for a accurate info how USA started the Ukraine war th-cam.com/video/HehqZsUDoGY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=na1EbRHaiwPbsxOw
Absolutely wonderful. It is so inspiring to hear the thoughts and ideas of the panel . Alexandra inspired so much hope. How can one not take up arms and regain hope when such a woman who has seen so much pain and brutality eludes such a gentle and humane, yet determined courage. While there are people like our panelists and there are many, humanity and democratic values will prevail.
Yes! Great balanced discussion, right!! x4 warmongers! More weapons?? I shake my head at the ignorance, it's actually so sad. Poor Ukraine! She is FULLOFIT!!
Say no to war. Say yes to peace.
Simple
dumb
Europe needs to talk less and start doing.
Absolutely
Excellent clip! Oleksandra is right. Russification of Ukrain is not a new invention. My great grandmother was born in Lisichansk 1898. She only spoke Ukrainian. My grandmother who was born in 1924 understood Ukrainian but spoke only Russian. My father was born in 1944 spoke only Russia until they moved to Poland in 1957.
I enjoy having faces to match to the voices.
Your podcast is excellent.
I enjoy it too but my head finds it confusing😂
@@priscillazietsman1300 Lol... indeed! Great podcast.
Yes, seeing the faces is a shock after 2 years of listening. Without vision I had images in my head which are nothing like the reality. 😂
@@Humphreyat86 Dom sort of looks like he sounds but David and Francis were a surprise.
@@ropeburnsrussell Dom looks younger than he sounds too.
She is 100% correct...Russia needs to face its own Nuremberg. We should have NEVER joined forces with Russia to begin with. To add, Mr. Dearnley is very well versed. Good show.
Exactly. Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt should have told the Soviets that they were on their own.
Hitler invaded USSR in June 1941, US joined the war in December 1941. Britain needed an ally and if Hitler had defeated the USSR it would have been much more difficult to defeat him. But Britain and US should not have agreed with Stalin's desire to cast his power over the Eastern and Central Europe. And Soviet war crimes should have beem investigated and punished.
Ukraine will face its own Berlin
@@edwardmiessner6502 it’s the future that counts now, and Biden needs to step aside for the fresh approach that Harris will undoubtedly bring. Let’s not keep compounding the errors, at least.
Bush and Blair should be on trail first for war crimes
It is so good to hear Oleksandra point out that Russian advances is not just a matter of territory but of huge violations of human rights and changes in culture and demographics. I'd add that the failure to supply weapons only rewards and enables an ever aggressive Russia. Great discussion!
So Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.
Ukrainians are fighting on both sides - from Donbas and Crimea.
I'd take what she says with a grain of salt. While there's undeniably some collateral damage and civilians do suffer during military action she has an agenda and uses hardly believable stories like Russians deliberately shelling maternity hospitals (if they were then they did it only to get Ukr military who often use civilians like human shield) and emotional second hand accounts.
Unfortunately empty words from skillful agitators like Francis may be extremely dangerous - he creates a false sense of hope and optimism in a grim situation that requires facing cold hard facts and not Kool Aid.
@@TheAntsh Well said I agree.Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.
@@TheAntsh Lol, good try. RuZZia is a mafia state. Now Jog on!🤡
"fatigue is a luxury." Worth repeating.
Fatigue? From doing what?
@@robertmiskey5502 Fatigue from sitting on the fence as nothing more than an idle spectator. Idle people are easily exhausted.
Luxury is one nation fighting for the freedom of the world.
@@R.Iamondi Well said.
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Absolutely agreed with Dom, Francis and with rest of the Telegraph team.
I'd have never thought witnessing this uttermost morale decadence here in West.
The Kremlin has obtained kompromat on Trump, I wouldn't doubt they had much problems replicating it on Mike the mouthpiece Johnson...
But as long as there are journalism such as provided by the Telegraph, there's hope as well.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
What?!!
I'm so disgusted with my government right now. I support Ukraine, freedom and Democracy. God bless Ukraine with freedom!
West is the definition of Moral Decadence. Look up history. It was White Western Christians who invaded America and killed 12 Million people to create 'USA'. It was UK, the lackey of USA, that supplied African slaves to USA. US supported dictators in Saud, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan, Egypt routinely kill people for asking for Democracy. Egyptian military under orders from USA killed the Democratically elected leader just a few years ago. USA and lackey UK were fine when the Saudi dictator had Khasosgi killed off.
... Trump did not start any wars, Trump did not bomb civilians like Biden and Obama do. Kremlin's history, like that of China, is pristine compared to the history of invasion, rape, force-conversion done by the 'West'.
Fortunately the West is rotting from inside. UK has a Indian Hindoo PM and a Pakistani Muslim Mayor of London. Democrats are gutting USA with BLM and Illegal Latinos. Russia and China are strong and getting stronger. Their clean history and civilized strength is being celebrated by the world as the 'West' becomes weaker. Morally decadent 'West' is finally being neutered. Celebrate. Or line up a therapist.
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Well done, Ukraine: The Latest team! Two years of war... So sad. Thanks for sharing and bringing us along on your trip to Kyiv. Safe travels and safe home. Slava Ukraini!
These people are completely bonkers, if they think Russia is going to throw away its gains in Ukraine. Ukraine was never going to win this war. All the West has done is prolong the war and enabled the mass killings and destruction on both sides. The reality is, Ukraine lost the war the day the war opened. All that's happened since is just while we're waiting for Ukraine to accept the inevitable.
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All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Hilarious how every time somebody says invasion, they absolutely have to prefix it with FULL SCALE 😂😂😂
A full scale invasion was the US in Iraq, bombed the military facilities and civilian infrastructure for 56 days before the ground attack.
Unprovoked my a$$
Much love! Slava Ukraini!
These people are completely bonkers, if they think Russia is going to throw away its gains in Ukraine. Ukraine was never going to win this war. All the West has done is prolong the war and enabled the mass killings and destruction on both sides. The reality is, Ukraine lost the war the day the war opened. All that's happened since is just while we're waiting for Ukraine to accept the inevitable.
A powerful and thought provoking podcast. Thanks guys.
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@@VladPutin88rubbish 2 month old account
If the West is peopled buy human beings, then the East is peopled by inhumane beings. It seems though that many people in the West care more about tax rates than they do about Ukraine. So the West has its share of inhumane humans.🎉🎉🎉
yet again they completly ignore the fact that a peace offer was made and almost completed that would have left Ukraine with all of its territory
all they had to do is allow Donbass to have autonomy like Chechnya has in Russia
but no, they said we will not demilitarize and we will take Crimea back
and look, Ukraine now loses those areas they could have kept
what im more surprised about is that the comment section are open usually the telegraph closes them
In the midst of British media coverage of the war generally tinged these days with pessimism, it is most encouraging to hear your remarkably positive and hopeful conversation on the second anniversary of Putin's atrocious invasion. We are fortunate to have your well-informed podcast available daily to raise our spirits and maintain our resolution in a struggle of truly global significance. СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ! ГЕРОЯМ СЛАВА! 🇺🇦🇨🇦
If Mexico made a defense alliance with Russia, would the U.S. accept their decision? Or would the UK if Ireland did the same? The whole conversation is so dishonest. It’s also cost ~million lives, so the pretense that this is the humanitarian argument is ridiculous.
Mass hysteria led by very unimpressive people.
Stay strong Slava Ukraina Absolutely agreed with Dom, Francis and with rest of the Telegraph team.
Zelensky is dilutional
Seriously. Nobody really thinks that this is a stalemate.
It is amazing that Russia had to go to Iran and NK because they needed help. All the money that the EU has are not giving Ukraine what they needs to help them win, every day more men are dying because we are not sending them the Amo that Ukraine need, it's like the West are looking at this like it's a football game, they have said they will go into Poland after Ukraine, is this what we are waiting for.
The Ukrainians don't have any men left, what good is ammo? The West doesn't have infinite supplies of munitions for Ukraine. The West doesn't have an industrial base anymore, so they can't even produce ammo if they need it but maybe taxpayers in Sheffield or Glasgow that can't access the NHS or pay their tuition fees might object to sending money the government says isn't there for basic services to Ukraine. It's always about "saving democracy" abroad while ignoring actual democracy at home.
they have gone much further. The baltics, Romania, and have even threatened to destroy berlin even worse than last time around. Putin is following in Stalin's footsteps. First eastern europe, then the baltics and moldova, then Poland and potentially finland. They did exactly the same thing, to the point that Hitler could no longer contain Stalin's expansion and had to declare war earlier than he wanted because the Wehrmacht wasn't quite ready yet. It was clear that Russia was about to run over Romania, a close German ally and its only major oil source. so it was then or never. History has only looked at the crimes of Germany in that time, but the fact is.. those were TWO evil regimes facing eachother and it was just a matter of who attacks first. everybody knows that Germany attacked poland but so often conveniently forge that Russia marched in at the same time from the other side, quickly annexed the baltics and then attacked Finland. Yet germany alone gets the blame for WW2, just like WW1 when Russia took a major part in starting the war.
They are right in this discussion. Germany was justly punished, but due to the situation after the war and the shaky alliance with Russia, all their crimes and their initial alliance with Germany was swept under the rug and forgotten. Now we're paying the price for this.
Utter pure pro war propaganda. Listener caution advised.
Ok, RusBot
I absolutely love the Telegraph for their Ukraine coverage, though I am a more left wing voter. I appreciate the mainly (UK) neutral pose on this issue and listen to UTL almost daily. This is for me the gold standard of reporting. Thankyou Dom, Francis, David, Roland, HDG et al.
I am a conservative right wing voter mostly, but in this issue of Russian aggression against Ukraine I stand with my freemen and brothers, left or right against Russian aggression. I appreciate Telegraph's coverage of Ukraine and it's stand for justice. Great discussion today.
Ha ha.. UK neutral ha ha ..So Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.
@@johnh9805 So Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.
@@johnh9805 We should both teach the US how to agree & work together towards a common beneficial goal instead of destructive, partisan politics. Maybe Russia would think twice before attempting something like this again, instead of being encouraged!!
Bots “ gold standard for reporting”bwhahahahahahhahah no way a real person said that
It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.
What makes me sad is that Ukraine, and all the rest of the world, will never be safe as long as an authoritarian form of government exists.
dumb
Like the USA?
The ammo shortage was totally predictable. WW1, 1915 the British govt almost fell over ammo shortages. The West got little right, with Crimea annexed in 2014 they still agreed to Nord Stream in 2015, which certainly helped finance Putin's 2022 invasion
These people are absolutely insane
Oleksandra... Bravo!
All lies, Watch this for a accurate info how USA started the Ukraine war th-cam.com/video/HehqZsUDoGY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=na1EbRHaiwPbsxOw
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Providing only 1/2 the story, as this panel does, is a main reason why many are hesitant to support Ukraine. Why is Russia an enemy? Russian values of Faith, Family and Country seem to have more in common with the average US citizen than the “multi-cultural” obsessed EU nations.
Really? Judging on them action more obvious Russian values are genocide of other nations people, approving war crimes, killing, raping, stoling etc.
Excellent discussion especially the contribution of Ms Matviichuk. Unfortunately, Western leaders seem to be hoping that Ukraine can 'win' without Moscow 'losing', because of the complex dangers that would follow a defeat for Moscow. However, any kind of victory for Moscow would greatly increase the likelihood of global anarchy and many more wars. So, Moscow's invasion of Ukraine increases risk for every country near to them or near to their supporters
Not only countries near Russia have increased risk, other countries, which may looks easy prey to any autocratic countries. Because they all watching like evil may stay unpunished
I got glimpses of a better future, where it's plain to see the authoritarian model is unsuccessful and inhumane. Then I remember about 45% of my American fellow citizens can hardly wait to put authoritarianism into practice. And I'm flummoxed all over again.
Freaking Nailed-it, Sir… Lest we forget, that all-important 55% of American’s, STILL remains.. Stepping-up ~ Speaking-out ~ Encouraging others to do the same! ~ *Contacting their Representatives, again, and again, and again!! 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇬🇧
Hate to say it but Canada is on the same trajectory. Some of these people seem to hope that, by ending democracy, they are going to return to the values of the 1950s. Others, however, seem to understand that it will be more like 1940s Germany but are fine with that as long as they will be the ones doing the persecuting.
Your future was secured by the soviets russia so shut up
In the West we allow dissent, Putin has used this against us particularly using the internet. We are loosing any sense of common cause, destroying ourselves from within.
I take it that ‘Revolutions of Dignity’ of integral parts of Democracy?
himars on a wedding in Donetsk? THIS is what the lady in your show defends. Go on...
There is a world of difference between collateral damage (and one person wounded is hardly a big deal) and deliberate attacks on the civilian population.
Such a great conversation! Gloom but also hope and determination.
I agree 100%. Keep our promises, stop rehashing it and send Ukraine The Steel.
Clear, unambiguous, morally and historically of our time. Sadly, aspects of this analysis would equally have applied in the late 1930’s.
60 years since the end of WW2? And the west has forgotten any of the lessons that lead up to that disaster?
There's no analog here. Russia is not going to invade Europe. To suggest that they would is either alarmist or deliberately mendacious.
@@yuglesstube Putin once said he had no intention to invade Ukraine - where did that lead?
@philipmain5701 He didn't. He signed the Minsk Agreements in good faith. It is now clear that he was misled, Merkel has admitted this.
If Ukraine had signed the agreement at Istanbul, the issues would have been durably settled.
But Biden and Johnson killed them, and started the war.
There is no way Russia can invade Europe. It's impossible, not in their interests and would not be supported by Russians.
Even sadder that so many of our politicians aren't listening.
So glad to have caught this. Such an important debate. We need to hear more from Oleksandra, Dom, Francis and David. They manage to penetrate to the heart of the predicament we find ourselves in like no mere news report can. I personally don't need to hear more as what I have heard is perfectly clear - that we are at a crucial point in terms of perception.
Yeah so informative right?? Goodness me!
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Guys, as always a very thought provoking discussion, continue the excellent work.
Didn't they have 2 years to provoke thoughts?
It's alarmist and baseless to say that Russia will invade other countries after this. This is all fearmongering to gain support for Ukraine. They want to present the idea that supporting Ukraine is for us.
@@TheAntsh Be of or under no illusions the free thinking world was evocatively forced into thought with the immediacy of Russia's invasion of a sovereign state .
I can not believe that the west is so unbelievably short sighted to not see that if Ukraine loses the west is in for a massive shock!!
Laughing my Azov 😂
AFU is a spent force. Zelensky believed assurances from West. But underestimated Russian resolve. 500,000 dead and maimed men. Peace talks scuppered by Johnson! John Mearsheimer predicted this war years ago.
Not much will happen.
comment of an ignorant mind.
Very good! What is alarming an increasing group of my friends both leftwing and rightwing is how painfully insensitive our parents are to this war.
We risk ending up in a trench fighting the invador and our parents the babyboomers who had such a great life don't seem to understand that it's time to man up and confront the dictator.
Slava Ukraine love from Italy
russia needs to win & win decisively to prevent more bloodshed! it was zelensky who said 'no' to peace talks after boris johnson persuaded him to 'carry on fighting'! nothing to do with sid james & kenneth williams, btw!!!
Your parents are wise. They're old enough to know better that main threat to Italy is not from Russia but from crazy bureaucrats in Brussels with their asinine immigration legislation and net zero
Your parents are wise and they know Domino theory is a hoax
today's ukrainians & israelis are warmongers!!!@@TheAntsh
Rubbish
Propaganda storytelling
Another example of weakness and lack of foresight by western european leaders was the expansion of the Nord-Stream pipeline project. In June 2015, an agreement to build Nord Stream 2 was signed between Gazprom, Royal Dutch Shell, E.ON, OMV, and Engie. By the start of 2015, Ukraine had already been attacked and a strategic portion of its territory had been colonized by Russian expansion.
Crimea with predominantly Russian population had a referendum. They voted in favour of joining Russia. Donbass was a part of Ukr then. So who attacked Ukr in 2015? It can't have been Russia.
@@TheAntshlet's google that referendum: Oh look… The referendum was illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine.[15] It is not recognized by most countries,[16] usually because of the presence of Russian forces.[17] Thirteen members of the United Nations Security Council voted in favor of a resolution declaring the referendum invalid, but Russia vetoed it and China abstained.[18][19] A United Nations General Assembly resolution was later adopted, by a vote of 100 in favor vs. 11 against with 58 abstentions, which declared the referendum invalid and affirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity.[17]
@anthonyhulse1248 I just forgot, were 3rd round of elections in 2004 or coup in 2014 in line with Ukr Constitution?
It's all well and good copypasting Wikipedia but theory and practice are the same only in theory and in practice they are not. There's action->reaction or challenge->responce in geopolitics. 2014 coup was a challenge from US which was followed by response from Russia - referendum in Crimea and military deployment to ensure its smooth conduct (in 2015 military was recalled). Up until 2022 Russia was on responding side with Ukr. This time has passed when Zel started talking about taking Crimea back, joining Nato, wiping native Russians from Donbass and hosting nukes in Ukr and thus sealed Ukr fate. He should have never walked the primrose western path.
@@anthonyhulse1248Agreed, TheAntsh is just spouting Kremlin propoganda in an attempt to justify the illegal occupation of sovereign Ukrainian territory . Also when they say "2014 coup" I think they meant Maidan revolution of dignity.
Right
The problem is, the lack of politicians WHO has fased personally evil, heavy stuff, and whos understanding is realistic intstead of hopeful, GREAT TALK, GREAT CLEAR EYED APPROACH, to the huge problem we face in Finland and elswere in the west. God bless Ukraina to navigate the evil labyrinth
All lies, Watch this for a accurate info how USA started the Ukraine war th-cam.com/video/HehqZsUDoGY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=na1EbRHaiwPbsxOw
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Well done conversation. Time to wake up and understand that russia needs to be stopped!
There's not even a slim chance that Russia will lose.
My heart sank when Biden said “as long as it takes”. That was a direct invite for Putin to drag it out.
He changed it to "As long as we can", when congress didn't pass the foreign aid. These guys are snakes,pay attention. Usa can end war in a day if it wanted.but they want to kill atleeast 1 million Russians so they will sacrifice 1 million innocent Ukrainians for it🙃
Agreed far too much wiggle room , it's been received as an open ended invite .
And longer term profits to the armament industry. Imagine it had all been over by now?
NATO is dragging it out, not Putin.
@@jeremyfielding2333 shaking down the taxpayers. Why end it while the going is this good?
Dom is right, we need a new vision of the future
These are beautiful but alas empty words. I have new vision of the future - I'm a millionaire on a yacht in Monaco surrounded by bikini models. Is it realistic though? Well...no
We need to repair Nordstream
It seems to me that many conflicts of the last 75 years could have been avoided if the design of the UN was such that it was not completely controlled by the victors of WW2. Perhaps it is time for a third iteration of global policing that is more inclusive of every country on earth. A strong UN without a Russian veto power (or US veto) could perhaps have handled this kind of situation. My heart goes out to Ukrainians upon whom this genocide has been inflicted. I do have some measure of sympathy for the Russian families that will never see their loved ones again because of this horrible waste of life and material.
UN is a useless thing 😢
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
2015 - 2021: Russia is rearming its army with money from oil sales to Europe for a full-scale seizure of all of Ukraine.
Misuse of democracy fear all talk nice dinners and no action
The highly reputable Pew Research Center published a study on February 23, 2024 that, “Two years on from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, 74% of Americans view the war there as important to U.S. national interests - with 43% describing it as very important." Self-identified republicans at 69%, Democrats at 81%. This is overwhelming support for the Ukrainian people with 59% of Americans overall saying that this war is important to them personally.
The republican obstructionists in the US House will be even more pressured to pass the Senate-approved aid package now that it’s out in the open that a strong majority of their republican base supports Ukraine and her people. 🌻
" highly reputable" according to whom?
I don’t think ‘Rule by Poll’ has helped the average person in the West. Quite the contrary, as it merely justifies the government to do whatever it wants.
I love the suit Francis Dearnley is rocking. Great interview.
The worst thing is when a person loses reality
Yes, Putin has lost reality!
Reality check nato
Pootin is delusional
Putin is entirely lucid. He gambled that The West would dither. He was right. We are dithering. He is certainly not losing. Not yet and possibly not ever.
@@sammenter1Putin is not delusional. He is very clever.
Ukraine has lost. Negotiate. Please stop the fighting. Work towards winning the Peace.
An Excellent and mature video
As an American on the side of Ukraine, I am embarrassed at the timid support my government has given Ukraine and the willingness of Trump to side with Putin and abandon a Western democracy. I can not believe my nation is doing this. And the WEAK European support is no better.. It IS crewel.
Thanks, Telegragh.
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
Wow, Goebbels would be proud! Pure propaganda.
Your headline feels spot on. Unless the collective free world steps up, and properly supports Ukraine to win, hands down, goodbye democracy as we have cherished it for decades. Never forget the tens of thousands who gave their lives for our freedom today. Never forget.
I have no doubt that my Grandfather who fought in WWII is rolling in his grave.
People who support the ukraine aren't MAGA, and are on the wrong side of history.
Putin's coming close to completing his war of attrition.
Francis your english is impressive. Pleasure to listen
I like Dom
@@Cue_D_ball me too
I like the whole team. Been listening to "The Latest" for months. At 15:15 Dom looks as though he is about to pop when Francis, with his terrific English, uses the word "misunderestimated". I believe that word has sometimes been called a "Bushism", after former US President George W. Bush, who famously said "Don't misunderestimate me." Well played, Francis.
He has a rare skill to feed one full shovels of bs while sounding very reasonable and believable
@@TheAntsh Agreed, Tucker Carlson is very good at convincing some who more impressionable and lack the skills to inform themselves.
I hope peace can be reached without need for more war and loss of life. And that longterm understanding and good relationships be restired
keep moving east to the frontline guys. backseat warmongering is so unbecoming.
Oustanding! молодці всі!
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Peace to Ukraine!
All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine
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"Churchillian stares /Eyes never there / the Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye" 😁
Zelensky is certainly no "modern-day Churchill" and nor is Boris Johnson.
thes ppl make a linvign on this war.. playing with ppls emotions
Well, Zelinski shouldnt have provoked Russia, and all of this would have been avoided.
We're already past 1935 AND Biden should have never said "we will not enter Ukraine when Russia invades" to begin with.
Europes apathy in 1913, 1935 is on Europe…it’s a pattern.
Fully agreed 👍
Pootin understood green light !!
Why does everyone’s historical knowledge on matters of conflict, start and end with WW2? Less than useless, really.
@@icu17siberia Apathy was not the problem in 1913, more so the tangled web of complex military defense alliances, of which a minor, local problem escalated.
Historic illiteracy is the problem today, however, it would seem.
@@Dude0000 Yeah I also think if Germany wasn't in such economic downfall as in the 1930's not "everyone" would've cheared for the one guy who seemly seemed to fix it.
Unfortunately victory seems unlikely whilst Adolf Putler remains in power. Putler is no longer fighting for Russia's survival, never was actually, he's made it personal and now his top priority would be his own political survival at best.
People talk about winning the war, however i reiterate that it can't be won whilst Putler remains in power, for obvious reasons alluded to.
People talk about winning, however have yet to clearly define what victory is and how it looks.
They also need logistical support to legitimate opposition groups within the invading country, promoting a political transition.
Talking to yourself. This is the level of discourse 😂😂😂
I think everyone can read between the lines and gets the message.
It's so reassuring the media is able to regurgitate what the government tells them too.
It’s almost as if they are all one and the same.
It's amazing the way we in the West discuss among ourselves why we are morally right and what should happen. But what if Russia with its backing from BRICS and the global south is just to strong for Ukraine and NATO? Why not talk to the Russians?
That's quite rational
Morals and the west is exactly the same as 'friendly fire' a total oxymoron.
They won't negotiate because that would need an acceptance of reality. They prefer to repeat the same redundant talking points while Ukraine is turned into a rump state.
Ukraine has no choice but talk to Russia. The west and Zelensky won’t allow it.
This was an important conversation, and I hope people share this.
Europeans let's wake up and help Ukraine to defend our values🙏😓
Thanks Telegraph for continuous reporting on this issue. Regards from Slovakia🤞
Can individuals set up workshops to make ammunition or drones?
Google ‘Operation Mockingbird’.
Like how? We are all suffering with huge debts and the breakdown of society.
@@sanatajIn Ukraine some people are already making drones at their own to help our defenders and at least partially compensate lack of ammunition
@@ammaheinonThe alternative option may cost much more.
A channel promoting day dreaming!!!!!!!!!!
A bot promoting war crimes!!!!!!
Yes. The "expert analysis" offered by the Telegraph on this war makes Baghdad Bob look good by comparison!
@@0nFoot he's not vouching for Zelesnky's gestapo, though.
An Indian promoting Russia - typical
@@nebbelingp ...yes, it's as if the Western power stole billions worth of goods and treasures from India, occupied it, exploited to not end, forced into starvation several times, then supressed. When supression failed - united with other western powers and supplied the genocide committed by Pakistan whlie US threatened atomic weapons against India... and all those times Russia was on India side and made the best effort to help it... So why indeed would Indians support Russia against evil West.
Boiled down the problem becomes does Europe and the west want to have to rebuild the point of the spear that has already been crafted from Ukraine. This building of an excellent protective force has been expensive but, rest assured that having to rebuild after Russia has been given such an excellent opportunity to rebuild its military, will be exponentially more costly.
Rebuild with what? They rebuilt it like 3 times already. They are scrapping the bottom of the barrell in terms of people and military aid.
Sadly, Ukraine has a serious Republican problem here in the US. That's also a problem for Europe. The bright side is that Europe can pull it together for the sake of Ukraine. But the GOP is a serious problem for peace in both Europe and the world.
A United States controlled by a GOP in full power would be an existential threat to freedom and democracy everywhere because it would realign itself with Russia. And if course our constitutional republic would be replaced with a Republican one-party totalitarian state.
The GOP has been co-opted by authoritarian ideals. The West has failed to take Putin's intentions seriously while he has taken advantage of Western freedoms & social media to undermine our common cause. Divide & conquer
At the end of the day, republicans, like all politicians, will do what will make the most voters happy. Americans are watching European actions to determine how “real” the danger is.
No-one representing a Russian perspective - I suppose this is what counts as 'balance' at The Telegraph, at least for now. Can we hope for a return to some attempt at objectivity, eventually.
One hour after releasing the video the trolls are already out in full force. Go watch a rerun of Tucker's so called interview.
This will just increase as this war is fought on comment sections to influence people. Some sadly might be naive enough to fall for it.
Telegraph propagandists
Brilliant discussion. Fantastic.
insightful, thought provoking, well done!
In 2014, Ukraine experienced an undemocratic takeover that led to civil war because the eastern part of Ukraine did not agree with it. And the usurpers sent an army against them, which provoked the separation of Crimea and other territories (Donbass). Your discussion is pure Western propaganda.
😂😂😂😂after 15000+sanctions Russia economy is thriving 😂😂😂sanction imposers economy is in deep trouble 😂😂😂WHAT KIND OF STUPID IS SANCTIONING CHEAP RUSSIA GAS???😁😁😁😂😂
russia is jank
They are still buying it from third parties and paying extra
@@TheAntsh Or buying LNG from the states at about 10x the price they used to pay.
@@thedon1004yeah, that too. Who might have blown up that darn pipeline? I just _don't know_ - it might have been Russians!
@@TheAntsh That claim was the most asinine thing I've heard come from these war mongers.
Russia spent about 10 billion on it's share of the infrastructure's cost. Sure they blew up their own pipe when all they had to do was turn off the tap.
Mike Tyson said it best."everyone has a plan until the get a punch in the face"
Ruzzia is not Mike Tyson, and Ukraine IS Usyk.
@@anthonyhulse1248 Russia is currently bombing Ukrainian positions with FABs right now. Also, how's Avdeevka pro uKKKrainian?
@@Su-27_433I have a piece of a downed Russian SU27 on my mantle piece
@@a1176789 And?
OK AFTER LISTENING TO THE INTERVIERER FOR 2 years. i did not think he would look like this and more importantly SHE IS HOT AF 🔥🔥🚒🚒🚒
Good job Russia, the western world is full of lies.😅
yes but they are MAGA
Lies like Rules-based order, Freedom, Democracy, National Sovereignty, Self-Determination?
As1939
That’s why everyone is here and not rutube
Lets talk about Gaza
Why? Gaza is a storm. Ukraine is a hurricane.
@@ravenbenoit more like Gaza is a hurricane and Ukraine is quagmire.
The tiny hats have been very busy fomenting war and genocide.
Wrong channel.
However… free Palestine from Hamas.
A fascinating conversation. Oleksandra's point about not waiting for the end of the war to start having the criminals accountable for the crimes that have been perpertated is really something the the Western leaders should start thinking more about.
The Idea of holding Russia accountable, is like telling WW2 Germany we wouldn’t settle except for unconditional surrender. Some of us in America see Russia as pushing back just to protect its own borders.
insanely sick debate and propaganda show. shame on the telegraph and its guests. u are all guilty when it comes to victims of this war !!!
Ukraine is loosing !
And Russia can't win
because they are loosers))
Here’s what Russia winning looks like
-the loss of 70% of their inherited Soviet stockpile
-energy export revenue decimated + by extension its whole economy
-the loss of most of their arms market
-500k+ casualties
-Putin politically so weak that he has to ban all real and even tolerable fake candidates
-the loss of its entire Black Sea Fleet
-NATO hugely expanded, including along most of its Western border
-And on and on
Two years military operation!,, Russia is loosing in every field!,,
Peaceful Ukraine has survived extinction 723 days longer than expected and took back 50% of land grabbed initially by the domestic appliance pilferers. Doesn't sound like losing to me.
The telegraph, perhaps the biggest joke in propaganda.
Can we afford to wait until the end of hostilities to punish war crimes?
Oliksandra's point is the point. The pressing issue of an ongoing criminal activity against a sovereign state. Rules-based order has been shattered. The UN is unable to respond to the crisis. Yet it was set up after WW2 to deal with such a crisis. After The League of Nations had failed.
Francis also spot on on mentioning "erasure".
Cultural as well as political erasure. Excellent broadcasting.
This is where others fail to keep up with the entity of what is happening.
Every day, every minute, this is now unfolding in Europe while Kremlin trolls post laughing emojis: the two worlds.
The purpose isn’t to inform, but to advocate.
Engaging a war without ammos, weapons, satellites, intelligence, money, military industry, men... It sounds kinda stupid to me.
It is good to listen to people with clear minds
I agree. These 4 are just not such people.
theyir clear minds are pointed to destroy culture of Russia, i.e culturicide, quite ironic that they are complaining about supposed genocide.
I prefer my discourse with slightly more reality. To each his own. 😊
Please look elsewhere then lol
Didnt uk want germany to fight on against russia after war...
Is it accurate to say that an invasion or profound defeat is required to spark change? The British empire was enormously repressive against many subjects, even Churchill had opinions which would be frowned upon today. At the time of WW2 the US heavily discriminated, through behaviour but also through lawm against its coloured population. Neither the US nor Britain lost WW2, leaders (civil or military) were not held responsible for atrocities carried out during the war (fire bombing Tokyo, area bombing in Germany, ...) and yet both countries grew to be societies wich promote justice, freedom, sovereignty and rule of law over the decades following the end of WW2.
Russia can reform too, though that it will happen is not a given - but the west can make plans to support Russia in making the right choice at each crossroad it comes to.
The British Empire was enormously _generous_ to its colonies.
The project of the British Empire, from the mid-19th century to the 1960s was to raise the backward and savage nations up to the level of modernity. It was an absurdly ambitious project, but it turned out pretty successful in the end: By the 1960s, places that had been pure jungle with no roads, no writing, no technology more advanced than mud huts, spears, and clay pots, had cities with electricity, running water from taps, schools, colleges, hospitals, railways, macadamised roads, telephones, factories producing goods for export, etc., etc.
This was not an accident. It was a deliberate plan, debated in Parliament over several years in the 1850s/60s.
2013 Ukraine did not have democracy ?
The Telegraph is amusingly clueless.
Keep on generalizing, underbot.
@@toughr1506 cope nafo incel
Cant believe people think Ukraine's freedom is worth a potential world war. Truly a scary thought
They are WHYTE ofcourse it is!!! 🫨
Double thumbs up - excellent analysis piece. Will share
The WW II did not immediately lead to a rules based world order, because by and large the Victors held on to the principal that might is right. The colonial powers for example didn't give up their colonies without a fight, in many cases quite bloody
There was already a "rules based world order" _before_ WWII. From 1919, there was the League of Nations, and from 1648, there was the Peace of Westphalia, and other laws and treaties and conventions that contending nations could appeal to.
@73elephants that so called rules based world order was "our rules our order" for the benefit of a handful of colonial powers