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‘Russia must lose to stop World War III’ | Ukraine: The Latest Anniversary Special in Kyiv

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  • Telegraph journalists David Knowles, Francis Dearnley and Dominic Nicholls were joined by Oleksandra Matviichuk, the head of the Center for Civil Liberties.
    “As a human rights lawyer, I have spent years and years implementing law to defend people and human dignity,” said Ms Matviichuk.
    “But now I find myself in a situation where the law doesn’t work. Because Russian troops are deliberately shelling residential buildings, schools, churches, hospitals.
    “They are abducting, robbing, raping and killing civilians… and the entire UN architecture of peace and security can’t stop it.
    “My answer is: give Ukraine weapons.”
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  • @bjornsvalling1066
    @bjornsvalling1066 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    As Oleksandra points out, the war has been going on for ten years, not for two.

  • @eddygrunge4749
    @eddygrunge4749 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Sun Tzu, the Art of War: 'Know your enemy' - the West has failed on this wrt Russia.

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wonder why the people who got us into Iraq, are hesitant about ‘punishing aggression’?

    • @00REEEEE
      @00REEEEE หลายเดือนก่อน

      It made Russia its enemy by paying for the 2014 Coup which then started ethnic cleansing the Russia Population in Ukraine.

    • @henrik_worst_of_sinners
      @henrik_worst_of_sinners หลายเดือนก่อน

      The West doesn't know itself either which is the rest of Tse's formula. It abandoned Truth a millenium ago in the Great Schism. Which was when this war really started. It is a spiritual fight. Western media admits it interestingly. The West chose succumb to the Snake's proposition in Genesis 3. Going the way of hybris and Pride which it openly celebrates. Perverted the rainbow which was a symbol for the covenant between man and God. Removed its vertical component, with only nihilism left. It is impossible not to defeat such a spiritually debased culture as the West has become. Which was predicted btw by such as Saint Palamas. Repent or be destroyed.

    • @aluisious
      @aluisious 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The West is irredeemably arrogant.

  • @janstageman2412
    @janstageman2412 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    This thought-provoking unofficial debate between non-political, yet first-hand knowledgeable speakers should be aired across Western nations. We are living through very dangerous days and here we are being given a gentle but firm warning ! Time is precious - is there still time for collective realisation and for action to be taken ?🤞

  • @rhythswildt7517
    @rhythswildt7517 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Criminals are those who commit crimes ... as well as those who watch and do nothing.

  • @Michael.Freeman
    @Michael.Freeman หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    At 72yrs l have seen so much apathetic rhetoric from politicians that are platitudes for the moment not for the long haul. At 70 l went to Ukrain from Manchester twice with medical supplies twice before going home to Australia. My father was a tank commander of 3 tanks Welsh guards armoured division) & fought through to Germany getting blown up twice. We have done something & want to do more if l get the chance. Here in OZ very few discuss the war that threatens their peaceful lives. God help us all for our complacency as it's costing Ukrain & indeed Russian lives. Shame on us.

    • @WOTM8
      @WOTM8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I agree... if we look at all global conflicts that have ever happened to our planet, it's all started from and by the western idiot leaders. This war is absurd and it shouldn't have happened... my fear is that the pacific war is coming soon.. with all this AUKUS, QUAD, and so on... and it's another incredibly stupid war if it ever happened.

    • @user-vo9iy4xh2q
      @user-vo9iy4xh2q หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The war in Ukraine has nothing to do with Australia and lets keep it that way. Leave the US and the UK to pretend they can control the globe.

    • @PeterTibbett
      @PeterTibbett หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁰pò0ppppp

    • @PeterTibbett
      @PeterTibbett หลายเดือนก่อน

      0⁰⁰

    • @231rosslyn
      @231rosslyn หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Well put!

  • @anitazigoi
    @anitazigoi หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Absolutely wonderful. It is so inspiring to hear the thoughts and ideas of the panel . Alexandra inspired so much hope. How can one not take up arms and regain hope when such a woman who has seen so much pain and brutality eludes such a gentle and humane, yet determined courage. While there are people like our panelists and there are many, humanity and democratic values will prevail.

    • @HarryHoudini-it9or
      @HarryHoudini-it9or หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yes! Great balanced discussion, right!! x4 warmongers! More weapons?? I shake my head at the ignorance, it's actually so sad. Poor Ukraine! She is FULLOFIT!!

    • @FinnishCommando
      @FinnishCommando หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Say no to war. Say yes to peace.
      Simple

    • @jasoncarey157
      @jasoncarey157 หลายเดือนก่อน

      dumb

  • @palemedes965
    @palemedes965 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    Another amazing discussion to listen to. I particularly enjoyed the discuss around the statement by western leaders of “as long as it takes”. Dom has the perfect response to that statement, which is “to do what”.
    On this second anniversary of this war, I am unfortunately coming to the conclusion that “the west or democratic countries” have not learned the lessons of history and as such are doomed to repeat it.

    • @samsungtap4183
      @samsungtap4183 หลายเดือนก่อน

      History never ever repeats itself only propagandarist do that ?

    • @tombayless9759
      @tombayless9759 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly right

    • @jonathancollett8322
      @jonathancollett8322 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree. I am not sure politicians even are sure themselves!

    • @iwanspolwatch4281
      @iwanspolwatch4281 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jonathancollett8322Well, they are sure that they would rather burn the world in ww3 if the alternative would be loosing their position in the world as part of the block with absolute power with their "rules based order".

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch this for a accurate info how USA started the Ukraine war th-cam.com/video/HehqZsUDoGY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=na1EbRHaiwPbsxOw

  • @ledermanrobert
    @ledermanrobert หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Excellent clip! Oleksandra is right. Russification of Ukrain is not a new invention. My great grandmother was born in Lisichansk 1898. She only spoke Ukrainian. My grandmother who was born in 1924 understood Ukrainian but spoke only Russian. My father was born in 1944 spoke only Russia until they moved to Poland in 1957.

  • @ropeburnsrussell
    @ropeburnsrussell หลายเดือนก่อน +155

    I enjoy having faces to match to the voices.
    Your podcast is excellent.

    • @priscillazietsman1300
      @priscillazietsman1300 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I enjoy it too but my head finds it confusing😂

    • @PeaLoop
      @PeaLoop หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@priscillazietsman1300 Lol... indeed! Great podcast.

    • @Humphreyat86
      @Humphreyat86 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Yes, seeing the faces is a shock after 2 years of listening. Without vision I had images in my head which are nothing like the reality. 😂

    • @ropeburnsrussell
      @ropeburnsrussell หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Humphreyat86 Dom sort of looks like he sounds but David and Francis were a surprise.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ropeburnsrussell Dom looks younger than he sounds too.

  • @BSEmadcow
    @BSEmadcow หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Europe needs to talk less and start doing.

    • @sammenter1
      @sammenter1 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Absolutely

  • @Maxaldojo
    @Maxaldojo หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Well done, Ukraine: The Latest team! Two years of war... So sad. Thanks for sharing and bringing us along on your trip to Kyiv. Safe travels and safe home. Slava Ukraini!

    • @robertjohnson4154
      @robertjohnson4154 หลายเดือนก่อน

      These people are completely bonkers, if they think Russia is going to throw away its gains in Ukraine. Ukraine was never going to win this war. All the West has done is prolong the war and enabled the mass killings and destruction on both sides. The reality is, Ukraine lost the war the day the war opened. All that's happened since is just while we're waiting for Ukraine to accept the inevitable.

    • @devilik3692
      @devilik3692 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤡🤡

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @samcarena4702
    @samcarena4702 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    These people are absolutely insane

  • @golddigger8759
    @golddigger8759 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

    Absolutely agreed with Dom, Francis and with rest of the Telegraph team.
    I'd have never thought witnessing this uttermost morale decadence here in West.
    The Kremlin has obtained kompromat on Trump, I wouldn't doubt they had much problems replicating it on Mike the mouthpiece Johnson...
    But as long as there are journalism such as provided by the Telegraph, there's hope as well.
    Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

    • @MrUntapishtim
      @MrUntapishtim หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      What?!!

    • @michelemarr76
      @michelemarr76 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I'm so disgusted with my government right now. I support Ukraine, freedom and Democracy. God bless Ukraine with freedom!

    • @joeschmoe21
      @joeschmoe21 หลายเดือนก่อน

      West is the definition of Moral Decadence. Look up history. It was White Western Christians who invaded America and killed 12 Million people to create 'USA'. It was UK, the lackey of USA, that supplied African slaves to USA. US supported dictators in Saud, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan, Egypt routinely kill people for asking for Democracy. Egyptian military under orders from USA killed the Democratically elected leader just a few years ago. USA and lackey UK were fine when the Saudi dictator had Khasosgi killed off.
      ... Trump did not start any wars, Trump did not bomb civilians like Biden and Obama do. Kremlin's history, like that of China, is pristine compared to the history of invasion, rape, force-conversion done by the 'West'.
      Fortunately the West is rotting from inside. UK has a Indian Hindoo PM and a Pakistani Muslim Mayor of London. Democrats are gutting USA with BLM and Illegal Latinos. Russia and China are strong and getting stronger. Their clean history and civilized strength is being celebrated by the world as the 'West' becomes weaker. Morally decadent 'West' is finally being neutered. Celebrate. Or line up a therapist.

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @kathleentrinity7367
    @kathleentrinity7367 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    It is so good to hear Oleksandra point out that Russian advances is not just a matter of territory but of huge violations of human rights and changes in culture and demographics. I'd add that the failure to supply weapons only rewards and enables an ever aggressive Russia. Great discussion!

    • @user-mk5bz5qi1b
      @user-mk5bz5qi1b หลายเดือนก่อน

      So Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.

    • @stephencalcutt8396
      @stephencalcutt8396 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ukrainians are fighting on both sides - from Donbas and Crimea.

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      I'd take what she says with a grain of salt. While there's undeniably some collateral damage and civilians do suffer during military action she has an agenda and uses hardly believable stories like Russians deliberately shelling maternity hospitals (if they were then they did it only to get Ukr military who often use civilians like human shield) and emotional second hand accounts.
      Unfortunately empty words from skillful agitators like Francis may be extremely dangerous - he creates a false sense of hope and optimism in a grim situation that requires facing cold hard facts and not Kool Aid.

    • @user-mk5bz5qi1b
      @user-mk5bz5qi1b หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheAntsh Well said I agree.Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.

    • @silviadunderdale9400
      @silviadunderdale9400 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheAntsh Lol, good try. RuZZia is a mafia state. Now Jog on!🤡

  • @rupertbare2023
    @rupertbare2023 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    In the midst of British media coverage of the war generally tinged these days with pessimism, it is most encouraging to hear your remarkably positive and hopeful conversation on the second anniversary of Putin's atrocious invasion. We are fortunate to have your well-informed podcast available daily to raise our spirits and maintain our resolution in a struggle of truly global significance. СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ! ГЕРОЯМ СЛАВА! 🇺🇦🇨🇦

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If Mexico made a defense alliance with Russia, would the U.S. accept their decision? Or would the UK if Ireland did the same? The whole conversation is so dishonest. It’s also cost ~million lives, so the pretense that this is the humanitarian argument is ridiculous.
      Mass hysteria led by very unimpressive people.

  • @pdrbrandt
    @pdrbrandt หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Such a great conversation! Gloom but also hope and determination.

  • @Jebsnotdead
    @Jebsnotdead หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    "fatigue is a luxury." Worth repeating.

    • @robertmiskey5502
      @robertmiskey5502 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fatigue? From doing what?

    • @domprz1
      @domprz1 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@robertmiskey5502 Fatigue from sitting on the fence as nothing more than an idle spectator. Idle people are easily exhausted.

    • @R.Iamondi
      @R.Iamondi หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Luxury is one nation fighting for the freedom of the world.

    • @Jebsnotdead
      @Jebsnotdead หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@R.Iamondi Well said.

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @andyay9079
    @andyay9079 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    A powerful and thought provoking podcast. Thanks guys.

    • @chrisfedder3680
      @chrisfedder3680 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      No.

    • @marisabenson1222
      @marisabenson1222 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@VladPutin88rubbish 2 month old account

    • @mikefallwell1301
      @mikefallwell1301 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the West is peopled buy human beings, then the East is peopled by inhumane beings. It seems though that many people in the West care more about tax rates than they do about Ukraine. So the West has its share of inhumane humans.🎉🎉🎉

    • @disconductorder
      @disconductorder หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yet again they completly ignore the fact that a peace offer was made and almost completed that would have left Ukraine with all of its territory
      all they had to do is allow Donbass to have autonomy like Chechnya has in Russia
      but no, they said we will not demilitarize and we will take Crimea back
      and look, Ukraine now loses those areas they could have kept

    • @waludalu5102
      @waludalu5102 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what im more surprised about is that the comment section are open usually the telegraph closes them

  • @CollectiveWest1
    @CollectiveWest1 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Excellent discussion especially the contribution of Ms Matviichuk. Unfortunately, Western leaders seem to be hoping that Ukraine can 'win' without Moscow 'losing', because of the complex dangers that would follow a defeat for Moscow. However, any kind of victory for Moscow would greatly increase the likelihood of global anarchy and many more wars. So, Moscow's invasion of Ukraine increases risk for every country near to them or near to their supporters

    • @tanya4406
      @tanya4406 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not only countries near Russia have increased risk, other countries, which may looks easy prey to any autocratic countries. Because they all watching like evil may stay unpunished

  • @prof_kaos9341
    @prof_kaos9341 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The ammo shortage was totally predictable. WW1, 1915 the British govt almost fell over ammo shortages. The West got little right, with Crimea annexed in 2014 they still agreed to Nord Stream in 2015, which certainly helped finance Putin's 2022 invasion

  • @yuglesstube
    @yuglesstube หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Seriously. Nobody really thinks that this is a stalemate.

  • @monsieurgrigny
    @monsieurgrigny หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    So glad to have caught this. Such an important debate. We need to hear more from Oleksandra, Dom, Francis and David. They manage to penetrate to the heart of the predicament we find ourselves in like no mere news report can. I personally don't need to hear more as what I have heard is perfectly clear - that we are at a crucial point in terms of perception.

    • @HarryHoudini-it9or
      @HarryHoudini-it9or หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah so informative right?? Goodness me!

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @chefdeparty
    @chefdeparty หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hilarious how every time somebody says invasion, they absolutely have to prefix it with FULL SCALE 😂😂😂

    • @genrcflyer
      @genrcflyer หลายเดือนก่อน

      A full scale invasion was the US in Iraq, bombed the military facilities and civilian infrastructure for 56 days before the ground attack.

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Unprovoked my a$$

  • @mimilynne
    @mimilynne หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dom is right, we need a new vision of the future

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      These are beautiful but alas empty words. I have new vision of the future - I'm a millionaire on a yacht in Monaco surrounded by bikini models. Is it realistic though? Well...no

    • @dessmith7658
      @dessmith7658 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We need to repair Nordstream

  • @lipgloss202
    @lipgloss202 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Much love! Slava Ukraini!

    • @robertjohnson4154
      @robertjohnson4154 หลายเดือนก่อน

      These people are completely bonkers, if they think Russia is going to throw away its gains in Ukraine. Ukraine was never going to win this war. All the West has done is prolong the war and enabled the mass killings and destruction on both sides. The reality is, Ukraine lost the war the day the war opened. All that's happened since is just while we're waiting for Ukraine to accept the inevitable.

  • @normanlaxton
    @normanlaxton หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Oleksandra... Bravo!

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies, Watch this for a accurate info how USA started the Ukraine war th-cam.com/video/HehqZsUDoGY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=na1EbRHaiwPbsxOw

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @eirli1
    @eirli1 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Stay strong Slava Ukraina Absolutely agreed with Dom, Francis and with rest of the Telegraph team.

  • @ewaf88
    @ewaf88 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    An Excellent and mature video

  • @patrickpender6425
    @patrickpender6425 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.

  • @jeffcampbell1555
    @jeffcampbell1555 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I got glimpses of a better future, where it's plain to see the authoritarian model is unsuccessful and inhumane. Then I remember about 45% of my American fellow citizens can hardly wait to put authoritarianism into practice. And I'm flummoxed all over again.

    • @DavidLucky7teen
      @DavidLucky7teen หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Freaking Nailed-it, Sir… Lest we forget, that all-important 55% of American’s, STILL remains.. Stepping-up ~ Speaking-out ~ Encouraging others to do the same! ~ *Contacting their Representatives, again, and again, and again!! 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇬🇧

    • @planet-karma
      @planet-karma หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Hate to say it but Canada is on the same trajectory. Some of these people seem to hope that, by ending democracy, they are going to return to the values of the 1950s. Others, however, seem to understand that it will be more like 1940s Germany but are fine with that as long as they will be the ones doing the persecuting.

    • @prizefighter8699
      @prizefighter8699 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your future was secured by the soviets russia so shut up

    • @prof_kaos9341
      @prof_kaos9341 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the West we allow dissent, Putin has used this against us particularly using the internet. We are loosing any sense of common cause, destroying ourselves from within.

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I take it that ‘Revolutions of Dignity’ of integral parts of Democracy?

  • @TheBluetwo26
    @TheBluetwo26 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love the suit Francis Dearnley is rocking. Great interview.

  • @JWSitterley
    @JWSitterley หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    She is 100% correct...Russia needs to face its own Nuremberg. We should have NEVER joined forces with Russia to begin with. To add, Mr. Dearnley is very well versed. Good show.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly. Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt should have told the Soviets that they were on their own.

    • @alexandradekanova771
      @alexandradekanova771 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hitler invaded USSR in June 1941, US joined the war in December 1941. Britain needed an ally and if Hitler had defeated the USSR it would have been much more difficult to defeat him. But Britain and US should not have agreed with Stalin's desire to cast his power over the Eastern and Central Europe. And Soviet war crimes should have beem investigated and punished.

    • @dinobuzi2457
      @dinobuzi2457 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Ukraine will face its own Berlin

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@edwardmiessner6502 it’s the future that counts now, and Biden needs to step aside for the fresh approach that Harris will undoubtedly bring. Let’s not keep compounding the errors, at least.

    • @janewilkin1984
      @janewilkin1984 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bush and Blair should be on trail first for war crimes

  • @sosangyaden9328
    @sosangyaden9328 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Zelensky is dilutional

  • @RedLozZz
    @RedLozZz หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    I absolutely love the Telegraph for their Ukraine coverage, though I am a more left wing voter. I appreciate the mainly (UK) neutral pose on this issue and listen to UTL almost daily. This is for me the gold standard of reporting. Thankyou Dom, Francis, David, Roland, HDG et al.

    • @johnh9805
      @johnh9805 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      I am a conservative right wing voter mostly, but in this issue of Russian aggression against Ukraine I stand with my freemen and brothers, left or right against Russian aggression. I appreciate Telegraph's coverage of Ukraine and it's stand for justice. Great discussion today.

    • @user-mk5bz5qi1b
      @user-mk5bz5qi1b หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ha ha.. UK neutral ha ha ..So Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.

    • @user-mk5bz5qi1b
      @user-mk5bz5qi1b หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnh9805 So Ukraine took Russia to the ICJ at the Hague on multiple,Multiple charges of war crimes going back to 2014 Invasion of Crimea onward.The highest court of this World found that all of Ukraine's charges/claims were unproven and Russia was found not guilty of all charges apart from one, which was 'not promoting the Ukrainian language in school's in Crimea' So people Wake up . We are the ones being lied to and its incredible that it is the West that's behind an Iron curtain . The case ended a couple of weeks ago.

    • @RedLozZz
      @RedLozZz หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@johnh9805 We should both teach the US how to agree & work together towards a common beneficial goal instead of destructive, partisan politics. Maybe Russia would think twice before attempting something like this again, instead of being encouraged!!

    • @Harlantown
      @Harlantown หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Bots “ gold standard for reporting”bwhahahahahahhahah no way a real person said that

  • @nikosgalisthekingisback
    @nikosgalisthekingisback หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Slava russiji

  • @rogerward9492
    @rogerward9492 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It is amazing that Russia had to go to Iran and NK because they needed help. All the money that the EU has are not giving Ukraine what they needs to help them win, every day more men are dying because we are not sending them the Amo that Ukraine need, it's like the West are looking at this like it's a football game, they have said they will go into Poland after Ukraine, is this what we are waiting for.

    • @AlexTrevelyan
      @AlexTrevelyan หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Ukrainians don't have any men left, what good is ammo? The West doesn't have infinite supplies of munitions for Ukraine. The West doesn't have an industrial base anymore, so they can't even produce ammo if they need it but maybe taxpayers in Sheffield or Glasgow that can't access the NHS or pay their tuition fees might object to sending money the government says isn't there for basic services to Ukraine. It's always about "saving democracy" abroad while ignoring actual democracy at home.

    • @LeutnantJoker
      @LeutnantJoker หลายเดือนก่อน

      they have gone much further. The baltics, Romania, and have even threatened to destroy berlin even worse than last time around. Putin is following in Stalin's footsteps. First eastern europe, then the baltics and moldova, then Poland and potentially finland. They did exactly the same thing, to the point that Hitler could no longer contain Stalin's expansion and had to declare war earlier than he wanted because the Wehrmacht wasn't quite ready yet. It was clear that Russia was about to run over Romania, a close German ally and its only major oil source. so it was then or never. History has only looked at the crimes of Germany in that time, but the fact is.. those were TWO evil regimes facing eachother and it was just a matter of who attacks first. everybody knows that Germany attacked poland but so often conveniently forge that Russia marched in at the same time from the other side, quickly annexed the baltics and then attacked Finland. Yet germany alone gets the blame for WW2, just like WW1 when Russia took a major part in starting the war.
      They are right in this discussion. Germany was justly punished, but due to the situation after the war and the shaky alliance with Russia, all their crimes and their initial alliance with Germany was swept under the rug and forgotten. Now we're paying the price for this.

  • @seryozhasteve
    @seryozhasteve หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Clear, unambiguous, morally and historically of our time. Sadly, aspects of this analysis would equally have applied in the late 1930’s.

    • @robertmiskey5502
      @robertmiskey5502 หลายเดือนก่อน

      60 years since the end of WW2? And the west has forgotten any of the lessons that lead up to that disaster?

    • @yuglesstube
      @yuglesstube หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      There's no analog here. Russia is not going to invade Europe. To suggest that they would is either alarmist or deliberately mendacious.

    • @philipmain5701
      @philipmain5701 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@yuglesstube Putin once said he had no intention to invade Ukraine - where did that lead?

    • @yuglesstube
      @yuglesstube หลายเดือนก่อน

      @philipmain5701 He didn't. He signed the Minsk Agreements in good faith. It is now clear that he was misled, Merkel has admitted this.
      If Ukraine had signed the agreement at Istanbul, the issues would have been durably settled.
      But Biden and Johnson killed them, and started the war.
      There is no way Russia can invade Europe. It's impossible, not in their interests and would not be supported by Russians.

    • @primocorona4331
      @primocorona4331 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Even sadder that so many of our politicians aren't listening.

  • @amcleanYT
    @amcleanYT หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow, Goebbels would be proud! Pure propaganda.

  • @ears9506
    @ears9506 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What makes me sad is that Ukraine, and all the rest of the world, will never be safe as long as an authoritarian form of government exists.

  • @user-dn1vz9bq8x
    @user-dn1vz9bq8x หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Guys, as always a very thought provoking discussion, continue the excellent work.

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Didn't they have 2 years to provoke thoughts?

    • @Writeous0ne
      @Writeous0ne หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's alarmist and baseless to say that Russia will invade other countries after this. This is all fearmongering to gain support for Ukraine. They want to present the idea that supporting Ukraine is for us.

    • @RenegadeSound
      @RenegadeSound หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheAntsh Be of or under no illusions the free thinking world was evocatively forced into thought with the immediacy of Russia's invasion of a sovereign state .

  • @petrucho130
    @petrucho130 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Well done conversation. Time to wake up and understand that russia needs to be stopped!

    • @amcleanYT
      @amcleanYT หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's not even a slim chance that Russia will lose.

  • @Cuzthatwouldbeweird
    @Cuzthatwouldbeweird หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Very good! What is alarming an increasing group of my friends both leftwing and rightwing is how painfully insensitive our parents are to this war.
    We risk ending up in a trench fighting the invador and our parents the babyboomers who had such a great life don't seem to understand that it's time to man up and confront the dictator.
    Slava Ukraine love from Italy

    • @normankennith7919
      @normankennith7919 หลายเดือนก่อน

      russia needs to win & win decisively to prevent more bloodshed! it was zelensky who said 'no' to peace talks after boris johnson persuaded him to 'carry on fighting'! nothing to do with sid james & kenneth williams, btw!!!

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your parents are wise. They're old enough to know better that main threat to Italy is not from Russia but from crazy bureaucrats in Brussels with their asinine immigration legislation and net zero

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Your parents are wise and they know Domino theory is a hoax

    • @normankennith7919
      @normankennith7919 หลายเดือนก่อน

      today's ukrainians & israelis are warmongers!!!@@TheAntsh

    • @Cuzthatwouldbeweird
      @Cuzthatwouldbeweird หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rubbish

  • @davidelliott5843
    @davidelliott5843 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    My heart sank when Biden said “as long as it takes”. That was a direct invite for Putin to drag it out.

    • @kevinadam3896
      @kevinadam3896 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He changed it to "As long as we can", when congress didn't pass the foreign aid. These guys are snakes,pay attention. Usa can end war in a day if it wanted.but they want to kill atleeast 1 million Russians so they will sacrifice 1 million innocent Ukrainians for it🙃

    • @RenegadeSound
      @RenegadeSound หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Agreed far too much wiggle room , it's been received as an open ended invite .

    • @Kath-nd6pj
      @Kath-nd6pj หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And longer term profits to the armament industry. Imagine it had all been over by now?

    • @jeremyfielding2333
      @jeremyfielding2333 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      NATO is dragging it out, not Putin.

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@jeremyfielding2333 shaking down the taxpayers. Why end it while the going is this good?

  • @piotr2304
    @piotr2304 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Another example of weakness and lack of foresight by western european leaders was the expansion of the Nord-Stream pipeline project. In June 2015, an agreement to build Nord Stream 2 was signed between Gazprom, Royal Dutch Shell, E.ON, OMV, and Engie. By the start of 2015, Ukraine had already been attacked and a strategic portion of its territory had been colonized by Russian expansion.

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Crimea with predominantly Russian population had a referendum. They voted in favour of joining Russia. Donbass was a part of Ukr then. So who attacked Ukr in 2015? It can't have been Russia.

    • @anthonyhulse1248
      @anthonyhulse1248 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@TheAntshlet's google that referendum: Oh look… The referendum was illegal under the Constitution of Ukraine.[15] It is not recognized by most countries,[16] usually because of the presence of Russian forces.[17] Thirteen members of the United Nations Security Council voted in favor of a resolution declaring the referendum invalid, but Russia vetoed it and China abstained.[18][19] A United Nations General Assembly resolution was later adopted, by a vote of 100 in favor vs. 11 against with 58 abstentions, which declared the referendum invalid and affirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity.[17]

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @anthonyhulse1248 I just forgot, were 3rd round of elections in 2004 or coup in 2014 in line with Ukr Constitution?
      It's all well and good copypasting Wikipedia but theory and practice are the same only in theory and in practice they are not. There's action->reaction or challenge->responce in geopolitics. 2014 coup was a challenge from US which was followed by response from Russia - referendum in Crimea and military deployment to ensure its smooth conduct (in 2015 military was recalled). Up until 2022 Russia was on responding side with Ukr. This time has passed when Zel started talking about taking Crimea back, joining Nato, wiping native Russians from Donbass and hosting nukes in Ukr and thus sealed Ukr fate. He should have never walked the primrose western path.

    • @SirDigby3601
      @SirDigby3601 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anthonyhulse1248Agreed, TheAntsh is just spouting Kremlin propoganda in an attempt to justify the illegal occupation of sovereign Ukrainian territory . Also when they say "2014 coup" I think they meant Maidan revolution of dignity.

    • @petrucho130
      @petrucho130 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right

  • @darrencorrigan8505
    @darrencorrigan8505 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Thanks, Telegragh.

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @dirtyharry6297
    @dirtyharry6297 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    Francis your english is impressive. Pleasure to listen

    • @Cue_D_ball
      @Cue_D_ball หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I like Dom

    • @dirtyharry6297
      @dirtyharry6297 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Cue_D_ball me too

    • @intelefy
      @intelefy หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I like the whole team. Been listening to "The Latest" for months. At 15:15 Dom looks as though he is about to pop when Francis, with his terrific English, uses the word "misunderestimated". I believe that word has sometimes been called a "Bushism", after former US President George W. Bush, who famously said "Don't misunderestimate me." Well played, Francis.

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He has a rare skill to feed one full shovels of bs while sounding very reasonable and believable

    • @planet-karma
      @planet-karma หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@TheAntsh Agreed, Tucker Carlson is very good at convincing some who more impressionable and lack the skills to inform themselves.

  • @dkr000theOne
    @dkr000theOne หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As an American on the side of Ukraine, I am embarrassed at the timid support my government has given Ukraine and the willingness of Trump to side with Putin and abandon a Western democracy. I can not believe my nation is doing this. And the WEAK European support is no better.. It IS crewel.

  • @donaldjmccann
    @donaldjmccann หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    It seems to me that many conflicts of the last 75 years could have been avoided if the design of the UN was such that it was not completely controlled by the victors of WW2. Perhaps it is time for a third iteration of global policing that is more inclusive of every country on earth. A strong UN without a Russian veto power (or US veto) could perhaps have handled this kind of situation. My heart goes out to Ukrainians upon whom this genocide has been inflicted. I do have some measure of sympathy for the Russian families that will never see their loved ones again because of this horrible waste of life and material.

    • @petrucho130
      @petrucho130 หลายเดือนก่อน

      UN is a useless thing 😢

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @niklaswikholm514
    @niklaswikholm514 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    The problem is, the lack of politicians WHO has fased personally evil, heavy stuff, and whos understanding is realistic intstead of hopeful, GREAT TALK, GREAT CLEAR EYED APPROACH, to the huge problem we face in Finland and elswere in the west. God bless Ukraina to navigate the evil labyrinth

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies, Watch this for a accurate info how USA started the Ukraine war th-cam.com/video/HehqZsUDoGY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=na1EbRHaiwPbsxOw

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

  • @user-iv4pf6oq7q
    @user-iv4pf6oq7q หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I agree 100%. Keep our promises, stop rehashing it and send Ukraine The Steel.

  • @elsestelema6273
    @elsestelema6273 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I can not believe that the west is so unbelievably short sighted to not see that if Ukraine loses the west is in for a massive shock!!

    • @roadend78
      @roadend78 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Laughing my Azov 😂

    • @jonathantedd251
      @jonathantedd251 หลายเดือนก่อน

      AFU is a spent force. Zelensky believed assurances from West. But underestimated Russian resolve. 500,000 dead and maimed men. Peace talks scuppered by Johnson! John Mearsheimer predicted this war years ago.

    • @kynchan3332
      @kynchan3332 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Not much will happen.

    • @pierclaud
      @pierclaud หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      comment of an ignorant mind.

  • @evorioss
    @evorioss หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    2015 - 2021: Russia is rearming its army with money from oil sales to Europe for a full-scale seizure of all of Ukraine.

    • @catherinemeakes9234
      @catherinemeakes9234 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Misuse of democracy fear all talk nice dinners and no action

  • @bakimc4722
    @bakimc4722 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    The worst thing is when a person loses reality

    • @Mr_Squiggle
      @Mr_Squiggle หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, Putin has lost reality!

    • @dessmith7658
      @dessmith7658 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Reality check nato

    • @sammenter1
      @sammenter1 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Pootin is delusional

    • @davidelliott5843
      @davidelliott5843 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Putin is entirely lucid. He gambled that The West would dither. He was right. We are dithering. He is certainly not losing. Not yet and possibly not ever.

    • @MrUntapishtim
      @MrUntapishtim หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@sammenter1Putin is not delusional. He is very clever.

  • @F4R4D4Y
    @F4R4D4Y หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    This was an important conversation, and I hope people share this.

  • @writersquill433
    @writersquill433 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The highly reputable Pew Research Center published a study on February 23, 2024 that, “Two years on from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, 74% of Americans view the war there as important to U.S. national interests - with 43% describing it as very important." Self-identified republicans at 69%, Democrats at 81%. This is overwhelming support for the Ukrainian people with 59% of Americans overall saying that this war is important to them personally.
    The republican obstructionists in the US House will be even more pressured to pass the Senate-approved aid package now that it’s out in the open that a strong majority of their republican base supports Ukraine and her people. 🌻

    • @neo4reo
      @neo4reo หลายเดือนก่อน

      " highly reputable" according to whom?

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t think ‘Rule by Poll’ has helped the average person in the West. Quite the contrary, as it merely justifies the government to do whatever it wants.

  • @vladimirrestye1873
    @vladimirrestye1873 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    himars on a wedding in Donetsk? THIS is what the lady in your show defends. Go on...

    • @skepticalbadger
      @skepticalbadger หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is a world of difference between collateral damage (and one person wounded is hardly a big deal) and deliberate attacks on the civilian population.

  • @iansparkes3315
    @iansparkes3315 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Utter pure pro war propaganda. Listener caution advised.

  • @LearningSpanishwithDrL
    @LearningSpanishwithDrL หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Peace to Ukraine!

    • @RajSingh-sz1nb
      @RajSingh-sz1nb หลายเดือนก่อน

      All lies F A K E news search Colonel Douglas McGregor who was in Desert Storm to get the facts of how Victoria Newland of USA staged the coup to install Zelensky and started the war in Ukraine

    • @BigJuggsOnly
      @BigJuggsOnly หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      НЕТ

    • @louise_rose
      @louise_rose หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Churchillian stares /Eyes never there / the Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye" 😁
      Zelensky is certainly no "modern-day Churchill" and nor is Boris Johnson.

  • @robwettengl8845
    @robwettengl8845 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    insightful, thought provoking, well done!

  • @user-ri1ti6go7s
    @user-ri1ti6go7s หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I hope peace can be reached without need for more war and loss of life. And that longterm understanding and good relationships be restired

  • @TheSkaffen
    @TheSkaffen หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    keep moving east to the frontline guys. backseat warmongering is so unbecoming.

  • @GreggVal
    @GreggVal หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Providing only 1/2 the story, as this panel does, is a main reason why many are hesitant to support Ukraine. Why is Russia an enemy? Russian values of Faith, Family and Country seem to have more in common with the average US citizen than the “multi-cultural” obsessed EU nations.

    • @tanya4406
      @tanya4406 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Really? Judging on them action more obvious Russian values are genocide of other nations people, approving war crimes, killing, raping, stoling etc.

  • @JaneSoole
    @JaneSoole หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Your headline feels spot on. Unless the collective free world steps up, and properly supports Ukraine to win, hands down, goodbye democracy as we have cherished it for decades. Never forget the tens of thousands who gave their lives for our freedom today. Never forget.

    • @michelemarr76
      @michelemarr76 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have no doubt that my Grandfather who fought in WWII is rolling in his grave.

    • @bubbajones6907
      @bubbajones6907 หลายเดือนก่อน

      People who support the ukraine aren't MAGA, and are on the wrong side of history.
      Putin's coming close to completing his war of attrition.

  • @haypapa
    @haypapa หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    thes ppl make a linvign on this war.. playing with ppls emotions

  • @yuglesstube
    @yuglesstube หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Ukraine has lost. Negotiate. Please stop the fighting. Work towards winning the Peace.

  • @bezdownunder5481
    @bezdownunder5481 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Didnt uk want germany to fight on against russia after war...

  • @JoeyBlogs007
    @JoeyBlogs007 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Unfortunately victory seems unlikely whilst Adolf Putler remains in power. Putler is no longer fighting for Russia's survival, never was actually, he's made it personal and now his top priority would be his own political survival at best.

    • @JoeyBlogs007
      @JoeyBlogs007 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      People talk about winning the war, however i reiterate that it can't be won whilst Putler remains in power, for obvious reasons alluded to.

    • @JoeyBlogs007
      @JoeyBlogs007 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      People talk about winning, however have yet to clearly define what victory is and how it looks.

    • @JoeyBlogs007
      @JoeyBlogs007 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They also need logistical support to legitimate opposition groups within the invading country, promoting a political transition.

    • @thedon1004
      @thedon1004 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Talking to yourself. This is the level of discourse 😂😂😂

    • @JoeyBlogs007
      @JoeyBlogs007 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think everyone can read between the lines and gets the message.

  • @Nembula
    @Nembula หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Boiled down the problem becomes does Europe and the west want to have to rebuild the point of the spear that has already been crafted from Ukraine. This building of an excellent protective force has been expensive but, rest assured that having to rebuild after Russia has been given such an excellent opportunity to rebuild its military, will be exponentially more costly.

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Rebuild with what? They rebuilt it like 3 times already. They are scrapping the bottom of the barrell in terms of people and military aid.

  • @Terrysmithsmithonson
    @Terrysmithsmithonson หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's so reassuring the media is able to regurgitate what the government tells them too.

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s almost as if they are all one and the same.

  • @CrimsonFan
    @CrimsonFan หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    No-one representing a Russian perspective - I suppose this is what counts as 'balance' at The Telegraph, at least for now. Can we hope for a return to some attempt at objectivity, eventually.

  • @AK-ej5ml
    @AK-ej5ml หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is it accurate to say that an invasion or profound defeat is required to spark change? The British empire was enormously repressive against many subjects, even Churchill had opinions which would be frowned upon today. At the time of WW2 the US heavily discriminated, through behaviour but also through lawm against its coloured population. Neither the US nor Britain lost WW2, leaders (civil or military) were not held responsible for atrocities carried out during the war (fire bombing Tokyo, area bombing in Germany, ...) and yet both countries grew to be societies wich promote justice, freedom, sovereignty and rule of law over the decades following the end of WW2.
    Russia can reform too, though that it will happen is not a given - but the west can make plans to support Russia in making the right choice at each crossroad it comes to.

    • @73elephants
      @73elephants หลายเดือนก่อน

      The British Empire was enormously _generous_ to its colonies.
      The project of the British Empire, from the mid-19th century to the 1960s was to raise the backward and savage nations up to the level of modernity. It was an absurdly ambitious project, but it turned out pretty successful in the end: By the 1960s, places that had been pure jungle with no roads, no writing, no technology more advanced than mud huts, spears, and clay pots, had cities with electricity, running water from taps, schools, colleges, hospitals, railways, macadamised roads, telephones, factories producing goods for export, etc., etc.
      This was not an accident. It was a deliberate plan, debated in Parliament over several years in the 1850s/60s.

  • @priscillazietsman1300
    @priscillazietsman1300 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    One hour after releasing the video the trolls are already out in full force. Go watch a rerun of Tucker's so called interview.

    • @thamor4746
      @thamor4746 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This will just increase as this war is fought on comment sections to influence people. Some sadly might be naive enough to fall for it.

  • @harddobe
    @harddobe หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well, Zelinski shouldnt have provoked Russia, and all of this would have been avoided.

  • @jimheath4200
    @jimheath4200 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Mike Tyson said it best."everyone has a plan until the get a punch in the face"

    • @anthonyhulse1248
      @anthonyhulse1248 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ruzzia is not Mike Tyson, and Ukraine IS Usyk.

    • @Su-27_433
      @Su-27_433 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@anthonyhulse1248 Russia is currently bombing Ukrainian positions with FABs right now. Also, how's Avdeevka pro uKKKrainian?

    • @a1176789
      @a1176789 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Su-27_433I have a piece of a downed Russian SU27 on my mantle piece

    • @Su-27_433
      @Su-27_433 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@a1176789 And?

  • @ligimartin
    @ligimartin หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Europeans let's wake up and help Ukraine to defend our values🙏😓
    Thanks Telegraph for continuous reporting on this issue. Regards from Slovakia🤞

    • @sanataj
      @sanataj หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Can individuals set up workshops to make ammunition or drones?

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Google ‘Operation Mockingbird’.

    • @ammaheinon
      @ammaheinon หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Like how? We are all suffering with huge debts and the breakdown of society.

    • @tanya4406
      @tanya4406 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@sanatajIn Ukraine some people are already making drones at their own to help our defenders and at least partially compensate lack of ammunition

    • @tanya4406
      @tanya4406 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ammaheinonThe alternative option may cost much more.

  • @toncoumans6985
    @toncoumans6985 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It's amazing the way we in the West discuss among ourselves why we are morally right and what should happen. But what if Russia with its backing from BRICS and the global south is just to strong for Ukraine and NATO? Why not talk to the Russians?

    • @TheAntsh
      @TheAntsh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's quite rational

    • @thedon1004
      @thedon1004 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Morals and the west is exactly the same as 'friendly fire' a total oxymoron.
      They won't negotiate because that would need an acceptance of reality. They prefer to repeat the same redundant talking points while Ukraine is turned into a rump state.

    • @MrUntapishtim
      @MrUntapishtim หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ukraine has no choice but talk to Russia. The west and Zelensky won’t allow it.

  • @bitlek
    @bitlek หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    In 2014, Ukraine experienced an undemocratic takeover that led to civil war because the eastern part of Ukraine did not agree with it. And the usurpers sent an army against them, which provoked the separation of Crimea and other territories (Donbass). Your discussion is pure Western propaganda.

  • @tayclift5322
    @tayclift5322 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Starts off on shaky grounds, with the words "full scale invasion". 🙄

    • @Vorse_Raider
      @Vorse_Raider หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's the largest ground invasion in Europe since the Second World War.

  • @annagertsen5557
    @annagertsen5557 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A fascinating conversation. Oleksandra's point about not waiting for the end of the war to start having the criminals accountable for the crimes that have been perpertated is really something the the Western leaders should start thinking more about.

  • @kirilld6206
    @kirilld6206 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Telegraph propagandists

  • @lp3880
    @lp3880 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    insanely sick debate and propaganda show. shame on the telegraph and its guests. u are all guilty when it comes to victims of this war !!!

  • @brettvercoe2127
    @brettvercoe2127 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Brilliant discussion. Fantastic.

  • @elvisdeonarine
    @elvisdeonarine หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    OK AFTER LISTENING TO THE INTERVIERER FOR 2 years. i did not think he would look like this and more importantly SHE IS HOT AF 🔥🔥🚒🚒🚒

  • @Pecos33109
    @Pecos33109 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Sadly, Ukraine has a serious Republican problem here in the US. That's also a problem for Europe. The bright side is that Europe can pull it together for the sake of Ukraine. But the GOP is a serious problem for peace in both Europe and the world.

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A United States controlled by a GOP in full power would be an existential threat to freedom and democracy everywhere because it would realign itself with Russia. And if course our constitutional republic would be replaced with a Republican one-party totalitarian state.

    • @prof_kaos9341
      @prof_kaos9341 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The GOP has been co-opted by authoritarian ideals. The West has failed to take Putin's intentions seriously while he has taken advantage of Western freedoms & social media to undermine our common cause. Divide & conquer

    • @Radonslur
      @Radonslur หลายเดือนก่อน

      At the end of the day, republicans, like all politicians, will do what will make the most voters happy. Americans are watching European actions to determine how “real” the danger is.

  • @golagiswatchingyou2966
    @golagiswatchingyou2966 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    100 years ago almost now, how long is this mythology going to stick with newer generations who don't care about the wars of a bygone generation or their values?

  • @robertmarra883
    @robertmarra883 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oustanding! молодці всі!

    • @devilik3692
      @devilik3692 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🤡🤡🐷🐷

  • @ijw2009
    @ijw2009 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Double thumbs up - excellent analysis piece. Will share

  • @sninstall
    @sninstall หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Cant believe people think Ukraine's freedom is worth a potential world war. Truly a scary thought

    • @thematic3893
      @thematic3893 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are WHYTE ofcourse it is!!! 🫨

  • @zzzar1973
    @zzzar1973 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Engaging a war without ammos, weapons, satellites, intelligence, money, military industry, men... It sounds kinda stupid to me.

  • @Ata5ll
    @Ata5ll หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    We're already past 1935 AND Biden should have never said "we will not enter Ukraine when Russia invades" to begin with.

    • @Radonslur
      @Radonslur หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Europes apathy in 1913, 1935 is on Europe…it’s a pattern.

    • @ennediend2865
      @ennediend2865 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Fully agreed 👍
      Pootin understood green light !!

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why does everyone’s historical knowledge on matters of conflict, start and end with WW2? Less than useless, really.

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Radonslur Apathy was not the problem in 1913, more so the tangled web of complex military defense alliances, of which a minor, local problem escalated.
      Historic illiteracy is the problem today, however, it would seem.

    • @Ata5ll
      @Ata5ll หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Dude0000 Yeah I also think if Germany wasn't in such economic downfall as in the 1930's not "everyone" would've cheared for the one guy who seemly seemed to fix it.

  • @dessmith7658
    @dessmith7658 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Anything that flies into pieces is rubbish

  • @mikelanglow-bi2sv
    @mikelanglow-bi2sv หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I seldom hear that in WW2 Germany and Russia were allies in invading Poland-😮

  • @manueloberhoffner1879
    @manueloberhoffner1879 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel ashamed for the lack of support we as the West give ukraine. Its a simple question we have to answer ourself, do we accept that a devil in the kremlin gets away with the worst crimes since ww2 on european soil or do we everything in our power that this is not gonna happen

  • @Tanktaco
    @Tanktaco หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why is the in person, on site, anniversary one so short and doesn't really dive that deep into anything?

  • @user-ud9ep6ym7r
    @user-ud9ep6ym7r หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Idea of holding Russia accountable, is like telling WW2 Germany we wouldn’t settle except for unconditional surrender. Some of us in America see Russia as pushing back just to protect its own borders.

  • @s.v.discussion8665
    @s.v.discussion8665 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is plain stupid.

  • @udaymukherji4527
    @udaymukherji4527 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The WW II did not immediately lead to a rules based world order, because by and large the Victors held on to the principal that might is right. The colonial powers for example didn't give up their colonies without a fight, in many cases quite bloody

    • @73elephants
      @73elephants หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was already a "rules based world order" _before_ WWII. From 1919, there was the League of Nations, and from 1648, there was the Peace of Westphalia, and other laws and treaties and conventions that contending nations could appeal to.

    • @udaymukherji4527
      @udaymukherji4527 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @73elephants that so called rules based world order was "our rules our order" for the benefit of a handful of colonial powers

  • @enderwiggins8483
    @enderwiggins8483 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The telegraph, perhaps the biggest joke in propaganda.

  • @robertmassie4903
    @robertmassie4903 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    When is UK to run arms factories 24 hrs?Where are the new factories?We need arms and all we hear is money.

    • @corneliuscornia3189
      @corneliuscornia3189 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      😂😂

    • @thedon1004
      @thedon1004 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Should be more concerned with the gutting of key institutions like the NHS, Education.
      Our roads are like something out of a war zone. The masses of people totally reliant on food banks. We have serious issues at home yet all these fiends want to do is drum up support for a US proxy war.
      Wake up.

    • @sanataj
      @sanataj หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      As the Canadian viewer said about Canada, the UK defence budget was also drastically cut. We only reached 2% after an international agreement was made. I do know the armed forces have been cut and a lot of military land sold off.
      People say it's 2% of GDP, but I saw a video that said it's actually 2% of something else, that i didn't understand.
      I looked it up quickly. We in the UK have several 'defence' companies who manufacture arms. We have recently had export sales second only to USA. Other #2 exporters at different times are France and Russia. So we are making them. Why can't they be sent to Ukraine ? Why can't those manufacturers make the munitions Ukraine requires NOW?

    • @thedon1004
      @thedon1004 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I see the censors are at work again deleting posts.
      We need our roads fixed, schools repaired, hospitals fixed and their staff paid fairly.
      What we don't need is to finance US proxy wars. Let them increase their 35 trillion national debt to pay for their own proxy wars.

    • @Llewellyn2844
      @Llewellyn2844 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Factories aren't built overnight.
      It takes a LOT of time & money,
      and Ukraine doesn't have much
      time left.

  • @davidbrancaleone3039
    @davidbrancaleone3039 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Can we afford to wait until the end of hostilities to punish war crimes?
    Oliksandra's point is the point. The pressing issue of an ongoing criminal activity against a sovereign state. Rules-based order has been shattered. The UN is unable to respond to the crisis. Yet it was set up after WW2 to deal with such a crisis. After The League of Nations had failed.
    Francis also spot on on mentioning "erasure".
    Cultural as well as political erasure. Excellent broadcasting.
    This is where others fail to keep up with the entity of what is happening.
    Every day, every minute, this is now unfolding in Europe while Kremlin trolls post laughing emojis: the two worlds.

    • @Dude0000
      @Dude0000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The purpose isn’t to inform, but to advocate.