Yes, the sub was actually revamped. The museum asked the German factory who made it for some parts and the company went above and beyond to make it look like it just rolled off the factory floor. The Germans said they wanted this to be an example of German engineering.
Yes, the sub was sailed thru the St. Lawrence Sea Way to the port of Chicago. The overland journey was only from the port to the museum. Getting a working enigma machine from the sub was the Holy Grail of this taking.
Not just any Enigma machine. The German Navy's 4 wheel variant. Plus the codebooks, because Turing and the bunch from Ultra Group were cracking the regular 3 wheel variant messages, but weren't configured for 4 wheel messages that were used exclusively by the German Navy. This boarding action compromised the entirety of the Nazis naval operations.
The code books would’ve been the big prize, not the Enigma machine. That wasn’t the first one captured by the Allies, and it wasn’t even the first captured from a U Boat. The Royal Navy had captured a U Boat with working Enigma machine in 1941, and they’d been in possession of the non-Kriegsmarine version even earlier. By the time U-505 was captured the code breakers at Bletchley Park knew exactly how the things worked, even the more complex naval version. But current code books would obviously make decoding a lot easier, at least until the Nazis changed codes again. But of course by the time that happened the Allies would’ve invaded Europe and given the Nazis much more to worry about.
I suspect the cameraman was so that if they need to abort mission and let the sub sink at some point that they might still get useful intel regarding the interior operations of the sub.
Yep. In the military, Camera = Intelligence gathering. It might also have propaganda purposes, but Intel gets the funding and training for photography.
1. German U-boat tech absolutely was worth getting our hands on considering the savage efficacy of their usage. The code machine was just a massive bonus, we would have likely been committed to obtaining a U-boat regardless. 2. Bermuda does get overhyped, but it 100% is an incredibly dangerous part of the ocean home to a significantly higher percentage of tropical storms and hurricanes, high surf, rogue waves from underwater tectonics as well as whirlpools and gigantic bubbles of methane gas which suddenly can reduce buoyancy of seawater
Also Bermuda is not like... a third of the way to Europe. Between a fifth and a quarter according to google maps. Still a massive area, but not the kind of massive implied.
Bermuda Triangle thing is also because a lot of flight and shipping lanes happen to pass through it. Bermuda is infamous for the amount of disappearances, not the disappearances to actual journeys. I think the Alaska Triangle is the worse for that.
Exactly. The _rate_ of disappearances in the Bermuda triangle is pretty much in line with most other shipping lanes in the world. There's more disappearances there, but pretty much in proportion to the the high level of traffic there due to several major shipping lanes all crossing each other. The busiest streets have the most car accidents, not because there's anything wrong with the streets but just because there's more cars to potentially get in accidents. Goes for boats too.
My grandfather, (Dad's dad), served in WW2 on Omaha beach and after the war, he actually worked as a security guard in the Museum of Science and Industry where he got to guard this exact sub. I've actually been to see the sub 2-3 times in my life since I live near Chicago and if you get a chance to see it, you should.
When I was younger I visited it. The size surprised me. Yes, subs are large on the outside, but very cramped in the actual crew areas. Nothing like what is shown in most movies.
As a submariner for years like my Skipper said, "the tip of the spear breaks first, we are the tip; pierce deep." We always knew no plan B, one chance you better win.
Visited and went inside the U-505 when I was working in Chicago. It is a super cool experience! Was great to hear the story of how it got there from the great Fat Electrician lol
The Royal Navy managed to board a sinking U-Boat, unfortunately it was sinking to quickly and a couple of the boarding party ended up drowned but the others managed to get the Engima machine, code books and some other useful information out before it sank...
I used to visit the Museum of Science and Industry all the time as a kid, and I've been inside the U-505 many times. It's really cramped in there, but it's an amazing experience.
One of my grandmothers worked in a munitions plant. The other was a riveter on planes. My step grandfather had an M2 machine gun in Germany, my grandfather was Army Air Force and stayed stateside training pilots. My other grandfather was a Marine Raider and was in Guam and Okinawa. He saw enough crap that family lore says he walked from California to New Jersey (with some hitch hiking and stopping for periods of time to work) from 46 to 47. He never opened up about the war - the irony is that my dad served on some of the same bases his father helped to liberate. World War Two was something completely different - hell they made pennies out of steel because they needed the copper for ammunition. They also made nickels with 35% silver because silver wasn't in short supply from the war effort but the copper and nickel were.
I first saw the video about this Uboat and loved every second of it and then I just recently read "Shadow Divers" a book about the group of divers who discovered and identified the U869 off the coast of New Jersey and one of the main people spent almost a week touring the U505 to understand the layout and where to look for builders tags and other items to try and identify the wreck. So it played a huge historical part back then as well as in the 90's with the other Uboat.
I visited this a few times as a kid in the Midwest whenever the family went to Chicago the Museum of Science and Industry and the Field museum of natural history were a must to visit.
Naval Enigma machines had been captured before this happened. This happened in 1944. The British Navy captured the naval enigma machines, code books, and cipher keys in May 1941 when they attacked and captured U-Boat U-110. The British (at Bletchley Park) then broke the enigma coding and could read all German messages generated using it by as soon as June 1941. So a full 3 years before this U-boat was captured by the US. The British knew that the German luftwaffe were planning to attack Coventy with a massive air raid, but they couldn't let the Germans know that they'd broken the Enigma machine so allowed the luftwaffe attack to proceed unimpeded with very little resistance by the RAF, etc to make sure they (Nazis) didn't know they'd broken their coded messages. Coventry was 'coventrified' which to this day is used as a term to mean completely obliterated and totally wiped out by the bombing raids. Literally, nothing was left standing. But they had to let it happen or have Nazis know they could read their coded messages. So Coventry was sacrificed to ensure that it remained secret.
If you are in Chicago this is definitely worth a visit, I visited it as a kid when it was outside. Just before the pandemic I took my 4 daughters age 8-12 to the museum and even though they never expressed much interest in naval history it was one of their favorite things, when the sub came into view one excitedly asked if she could touch it. Her face lit up when I said that we were all going aboard. I was very impressed by the new (to me) exhibit. It really seems to have a sub pen feel.
I went to high school in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and every fall we would take a trip down to the Museum of Science and Industry. I always went to the U-boat.
Holy crap, I went to the science and industry museum in middle school and saw this thing but didn't even know how important it was till now. I'm kicking my past self for not taking more pictures lol
The U-505 was captured on 4 June 1944 (wikipedia). It was a Type IXC, their super long range sub. That's why the allies wanted it. One of the most technologically advanced submarines of the war. It's awesome to visit, as of course is the rest of the Museum of Science and Industry. One could spend days there. During WW2 some U.S. submarines were manufactured in Manitowoc, WI. And, of course, had to transit the Great Lakes to get out to the ocean. Crazy, eh?
If you go to Bletchley Park and tour the museum, this submarine and the Captain are mentioned. I remember seeing plaques of information and maybe even a diagram? There's like a whole room dedicated to it. It's amazing!!
I remember the U-boat tour was free at Science and Industry back as a kid. But they left it outside in Chicago weather. Now it's underground and now it's a even better museum artifact and get to see the entire U-boat with other artifacts
On the subject you brought up of submarine warfare in WW2: I'm not sure how you feel about incredibly long-form content (TH-cam is a grind so I don't blame you if you don't want to react to an hour-long video), but I highly reccomend even to just watch on your own time, Fredrik Knudsen's "The Battle of May Island | Down the Rabbit Hole". It goes a lot into Britain's response to German U-boats during the 2nd world war, and how horrible their submarines were, on top of being a very interesting story.
Happy to hear that you're feeling better! Can anyone verify that "second largest naval fleet" (I assume by tonnage) part? It sounds plausible but it sounded even more funny.
16:30 So an explanation on how enigma was cracked: The way that the enigma machine worked is that there were preset settings all machines would have to be set to and you would type your message into the machine, which would in turn scramble the letters into a semi-incomprehensible letter. The problem the enigma machine had that led to its cracking was that while any individual character typed could be any other character on the other end, it could never be ITSELF. So as long as you had the presets for the day and enough time to power through every possible permutation of letters, you could in theory figure it out. What Turin's computer did was take run through each preset using other known phrasing that was consistent in every other message (i.e. Heil Hitler) without the computer, it would have been virtually impossible to brute force yourself into the answer for the days correspondence in time to be of any use.
The fact that a Polish diplomat laid his hands on one, and passed it along to the Brits didn't hurt any. That gave the Bletchly Park lads a major leg up; absent that baseline information, they'd have been howling into the dark. The Kriegsmarine Enigma had an extra rotor, making it exponentially more difficult to break. This wasn't the first Naval Enigma machine grabbed - a year of so before, a U-Boat went aground, and the British got there before the crew could do anything serious about it.* Code books were wrecked, but the machine was essentially intact. However, the Germans were aware, and made changes, so the U-505 machine basically *un-did* all the security changes the Germans had employed, because they *did not know.* * Incidentally, the major distinction between this capture and Gallery's is that Gallery did his ON THE HIGH SEAS. The RN's capture was basically a salvaging action, rather than a boarding.
It wasnt just having the machine itself. The brirish navy when they captured u-boat U-100 also managed to nit just capture the naval enigma machines but also the accompanying code books and cipher keys too. Enigma had billions of possible outcomes, the more wheels it had meant the more tens or hundreds of millions of iterations could be added. So 6 wheels was literally billions. Without the code books and cipher it'd have been much harder and why it actually only took 1 month after capturing the machine code book and ciphers to crack it. Once cracked they found out Germany was planning a huge bombing raid by the luftwaffe on Coventry. But they couldn't let the Nazis know they'd broken the enigma code amd could read their messages so the decision was made ro sacrifice Coventry amd put up very little resistance to allow the Germans no knowledge pf what they'd managed to do. Coventry was 'coventrified', a term now used(especially by the Brirish) to mean totally obliterated and destroyed. But they had to make that choice ro sacrifice Coventry or allow the nazis to know they'd broken enigma.
My grandfather did some of the restoration work with the U-505. Thanks to that, I got to see the exhibit in the Museum of Science and Industry long before it was actually opened to the public. He got to keep a piece of the original steel from it as a souvenir.
I love watching your videos, i have watched almost all of the fat electricians videos and finding your reactions with the deeper knowledge on most of the subjects is very very nice. Thank you so much for what you do.
America is definitely an 'Audacious' nation, full of people who embrace that attitude! As an American Citizen and USMC Veteran, I whole-hardheartedly enjoy it! :-)
I imagine that the submarine got to Chicago via the st Lawrence seaway, Lake Ontario, Welland Canal, Lake Erie, Detroit River, Lake Huron, Straights of Mackinac, and finally Lake Michigan.
Love you’re videos! Always interesting to see the context you provide, or better yet your reaction to stories you’ve never heard! Sorry to hear you’re under the weather, hope you get back to 100% soon. Cheers!
"The Germans know what they are doing with their U-Boats!" Well, Mr. Terry, look up the story of U-1206! It is amusing that the Officer DIDN'T know what he was doing with that U-Boat! Greetings from Roosevelt, east of you, and keep up the good work. Edit: There are a couple of youtube videos about this one, including from the Fat Electrician, the History Guy, and Simon Whistler.
I loved history in school! By far my favorite in general subject. You remind me so much of my 8th grade history teacher. Love your videos. Glad I stumbled on your channel!
Mr. T. Love your channel, brother. I'm 41, love history, and I love it because I had a cool teacher in Junior High that made it interesting. Mr. Buesking (R.I.P.). Subbed.
I've actually laid hands on this U-Boat. They give tours of it at the museum. When I went to buy a ticket to walk through the boat, the lady took one look at me and said it would be the most uncomfortable 20 minutes of my life. I'm 6 feet 6 inches tall. My buddy, who is only 5 feet and change, said he had to duck a few times. If you're ever in Chicago, I recommend that museum. There's a lot of cool stuff inside.
I’m sure capturing up to date codebooks and other intelligence would’ve been really useful at any stage in the war, even in 1944 just 2 days before the D-Day landings, but I’m not sure how useful the Enigma machine would’ve been by then. HMS Bulldog had captured a U Boat with an intact Enigma machine back in 1941 and Polish intelligence had been working with one even before the war broke out, and had managed to get all their work to the UK before the Nazis invaded Poland so the Brits wouldn’t be starting from scratch. Defeating Nazi codes was probably an ongoing project during the entire war in Europe.
My Wifes grandfather was a WW2 Navy Vet. All the stories he told me about the crazy things they did in the Navy, they were usually just really bored. Theres not exactly a while lot to look at on the ocean.
At 16:38 'those geniuses required' to decode the Enigma machines get mentioned. Two of my great aunts were among those hired away from their day jobs by The Department of War to become 'Computers' for the Enigma project. The family was always low-key about it, but what I remember of them (40+ years ago) was that every single cooking conversion possible they knew as if it were their nature. I still take pride in serving dishes codified nearly a century ago by these women, the true unsung heroines of The Greatest Generation.
I saw that sub before the exhibit was completed when I was undergoing Gunners Mate A School at NTC Great Lakes. It's still mind boggling to know how they got it there.
As a Chicago kid, the Museum of Science and Industry was, hands down, one of *the* places to spend your weekends (and at least half a dozen class field trips), especially once the Chicago Libraries started the museum pass system and you could get in for free. It's been a while since I've been, but I do remember the guided tours while she was still above-ground, and I remember watching the news reports come in as the process was started to move her to a more climate-controlled 'bunker' of sorts. It's definitely a tight squeeze - expected when you're dealing with underwater pew-pew ships - but worth the visit and the extra few bucks because the tours aren't part of the basic visit package.
Its actual a really cool exhibit. I take my family to MSI every year, and that uboat is definitely a highlight. The exhibit is really cool and talks about the battle of the Atlantic.
I don't know how they shipped it. But, assuming it was seaworthy, a vessel that size wouldn't fit in the Erie Canal. They'd have to go through the St Lawrence Seaway.
I've been aboard the U-505 when it was still outdoors. I was also allowed to look out the battle periscope before some numpty broke it. She was repainted to her wartime colors. Recently (I was last aboard her in about 1976), the Museum of Science and Industry built an enclosure for it. Well worth the $18 adult ticket (active duty military and veterans get a $4 discount). Kids 11 and under are $14. It's a cramped space and not for the claustrophobic. I was 12 and it didn't set off my claustrophobia. They have an entire guided tour in that admission price. Admission to the rest of the building is required and a good place to look around while you are waiting for the tour to start. There is a walk through human heart display that is still there and you can still kinda hear it beat on the second floor.
I used to live on one of the edges of the Bermuda Triangle. The Sargassum from the Sargasso Sea is so bad at peak season that ever since Columbus first encountered it, people mistake it for land. Just acres of thick seaweed. Shallow water covers reef and rock blinding boars traveling through it. Sargassum gets sucked into marine engine cooling lines. I suppose back in the Earhart days, you see land, it looks flat enough, let's land! Splash. Add to that it's a popular area for tropical storms and hurricanes. It's a risky place to travel through before the era of satellite.
Regarding the Bermuda Triangle, yes ships and planes have gone missing there in the past, but the rate of disappearance is no higher than any other part of the ocean. Ships and planes used to go missing all the time, especially before radio.
Read a comment on the original video where someone said they toured the sub in Chicago and the guide seemed intimately familiar with the day to day life of a crewmen on the sub. To the point he asked him after the tour how the guide knew so much about life aboard the sub. The guides response was simple. "I was a radio operator on board when it was taken". That would have been a tour of a lifetime to be led by an actual crewmember
So Mr. Terry, hindsight aside, you’re saying that you would have been one of the last people to volunteer for the Oceangate exploration vessel, huh? 🙃🙃
The vertices of the "Bermuda Triangle" have a bad habit of changing depending on who is talking and what data they want to include or exclude. There ARE a lot of ships lost there. They are lost because it is a very busy shipping area with lots of ships passing through it. Ships tend to get in trouble where they actually are, and are seldom considerate enough to try to move themselves to less traveled areas when trouble arises. If you want to "define" the "English Channel Parallelogram" or the "Straight of Malacca Trapezoid" you could find similar losses. Conversely, the "Point Nemo Ellipse" has very few reported losses.
Touring is the reason behind the CAPTCHA. The big break with the enigma was the fact that the last 2 words of every Heil Hitler. So they knew 6 of the letters being used. Great job on being up the imitation game. Great movie.
Honestly, sending a cameraman on board with the boarding crew makes a ton of sense. There's no guarantee that you'll be able to salvage the submarine. The next best thing you can do is photograph it before you escape. If you can pull that off, maybe the intelligence guys can learn something about it to give you an advantage.
Sorry to hear you were under the weather and glad that you are feeling better, I wish you a speedy recovery. On another note, can you imagine the look on the British intelligence officials when they found how we got a hold of the enigma. Before I heard this story I did not think it was even possible to steal a submarine unless you took it over at port while it was above surface.
"How do you track a submarine like that without sonar." You don't but I think you are mistaking what sonar is, using sonar almost literally means just listening to the sounds of the ocean. So(sonic or sometimes sound) Na(navigation) and R(ranging) is the exact meaning of sonar and there are two types... technically more but two main types, Active Sonar which is the one you seem to be thinking about which basically is make a loud noise and wait for the noise to echo back, and Passive Sonar in which all you basically do is listen to the sounds of the water surrounding you. In the case of tracking a sub you are typically using Passive, since Active Sonar would let them trace the sound back to you just as it lets you track them, and all you are doing is listening for the noise of the engines or other distortions made by the sub.
I love that you asked why they did this, its common to try and S.T.E.A.L. whatever intel you can, however you can. Onces the fight is beaten out of an enemy, of course you next think how you can get something useful from it. At this point it wouldnt be for how the sub works since they really were picked off pretty easily at this point but... well the video shows what they really needed to investigate about the uboats. It was absolutely a big deal but ya know, US likes to show off too.
7:35 getting enemy equipment and having the ability to study it reveals weaknesses and allows us to exploit them. There was an incident where the American military managed to get a nestly intact Japanese airplane that crashed in the Aleutian Islands which allowed them to get it up and running. After the Army Air Corps had an opportunity to do a few test flighrs to develop some strategies to fight them based on knowing where the american airplanes were weak and where they could outperform the enemy plains. When the military places bids for planes and tell McDonnell Douglas what specs they need to meet, its based on intelligence we have on enemy equipment. The Bradley fighting vehicle was built specifically because the old 113s couldn't keep up with the M1 Abrams tank and its important for the infantry to keep pace with the tankers
No, the reason why the Bermuda triangle has such a history is how many fucking things has been lost there, like it is a higher percentage than anywhere else in the ocean
We wanted their 'Enigma' encryption machine. We Strategically Transferred Enigma to an Alternate Location. It was the entire point of capturing a German U-Boat.
Live in Miami, storms are common during the Hurricane season, and most of the disappearances are due to primitive equipment and a bunch of amateur sailors
Hi Mr Terry, I was gonna say that it’s logbooks were sent on to Bletchley and was used to help decipher the enigma but that was a completely other U-boat unfortunately. I did a bit of research just to confirm my details. Unfortunately I found no record whether or not it’s logbooks or its enigma device had any notable impact on the war in the Atlantic. Most likely, the logbooks and other notable papers recovered, and the device was probably sent onto Bletchley Park and was probably used to add to their stock of knowledge about breaking further parts of the U-boat code. But I’m making an assumption on that, so don’t quote me on it. Although it does sound like it was the most likely scenario.
I think a couple of channels you would love to watch videos by are TREY The Explainer with his videos of Ancient Rome and Egypt, and Histocrat with his videos that cover history all the way back to 10,000 BC! Not necessarily to react to as they are quite long, but I thought you’d appreciate them for spare time!
Mr Terry, I love your videos and your commentary. But please, please, so talking over the videos so much! Haha! I want to hear them as well as your input and if you soak over without pausing I can't get both! Thanks again mate for all you do!
During 1941 the Royal Navy acquired a donation of a U-Boat, later HMS Graph( ex U570). I was depth-charged by an RAF Hudson of 269 Squadron and then surrendered to the aircraft. It was captured by HMT Northern Chief and taken to Iceland and eventually to Vickers shipyard in Barrow-in-Furness.
I actually went there not long ago and it is really cool especially because I play a ton of ww2 sub games like U-boat and the be Uboat the silent hunter, so I was able to geek out😂
Bermuda triangle has the notoriety because of the fluctuation of magnetism negatively affecting navigation instruments. Or that is the major consensus as of recent (last 15 years?) 2500 miles is like half the width of the u.s. I think.
My friend, who served on the USS Herbert C. Jones, said that they got paid with money only TWICE while they were fighting in Anzio and North Africa. (The rest of the time they were given cigarettes, with which you could trade for ANYTHING (from a beer or a hot meal to prostitutes).) He was rather offended that there were government pukes who miraculously showed up the two times they actually had money and tried to convince them, THE FIGHTING FORCES, to buy war bonds! I agree with his reaction.
12:32 The Bermuda Triangle has more sunken ships in it more that almost anywhere else in the world. The chief theory on this is that area is one of the busiest areas in the ocean and certainly in the Atlantic. As such more ships=more sunken ships even with the law of averages
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Could you handle being in a submarine crew?
Yes. I've been on the USS Nautilus before. Only one in my family to not hit my head on the hatch.
Not no, but helllllll no.
Modern SSN Nuke powered sub? Yes
WW2 SSK Diesel Sub? NOPE
F$$K No!
I worked on a Tunnel boring (TBM) machine and just that freaked me out at times.
Agreed. Ohio, Virginia, los angeles, seawolf, or the new boomer? Great. Gato class is a no thank you. @@h.cedric8157
Yes, the sub was actually revamped. The museum asked the German factory who made it for some parts and the company went above and beyond to make it look like it just rolled off the factory floor. The Germans said they wanted this to be an example of German engineering.
when you make a damn fine piece of machinery which hundreds of sailors trusted their very lives with, you stand by that.
*But can German-engineering win a world war? **_Absolutely not._*
we all live in a stolen german submarine...
under rated
A stolen German submarine.... a stolen German submarine.
we all live in a stolen german submarine...
Du und ich und ein deutsches U-Boot
We didn't choose the thug life, grandpa chose the thug life for us
So... In other words a US Admiral actually went full nemo seagull mode and said "MINE MINE MINE MINE" until it was his? Cool.
Yes, the sub was sailed thru the St. Lawrence Sea Way to the port of Chicago. The overland journey was only from the port to the museum.
Getting a working enigma machine from the sub was the Holy Grail of this taking.
Not just any Enigma machine. The German Navy's 4 wheel variant. Plus the codebooks, because Turing and the bunch from Ultra Group were cracking the regular 3 wheel variant messages, but weren't configured for 4 wheel messages that were used exclusively by the German Navy. This boarding action compromised the entirety of the Nazis naval operations.
The code books would’ve been the big prize, not the Enigma machine. That wasn’t the first one captured by the Allies, and it wasn’t even the first captured from a U Boat. The Royal Navy had captured a U Boat with working Enigma machine in 1941, and they’d been in possession of the non-Kriegsmarine version even earlier. By the time U-505 was captured the code breakers at Bletchley Park knew exactly how the things worked, even the more complex naval version. But current code books would obviously make decoding a lot easier, at least until the Nazis changed codes again. But of course by the time that happened the Allies would’ve invaded Europe and given the Nazis much more to worry about.
I suspect the cameraman was so that if they need to abort mission and let the sub sink at some point that they might still get useful intel regarding the interior operations of the sub.
Yep. In the military, Camera = Intelligence gathering. It might also have propaganda purposes, but Intel gets the funding and training for photography.
I liked the Worldstar option better 😂
@@StevarooniBut mostly cause "pics or it didn't happen"
1. German U-boat tech absolutely was worth getting our hands on considering the savage efficacy of their usage. The code machine was just a massive bonus, we would have likely been committed to obtaining a U-boat regardless.
2. Bermuda does get overhyped, but it 100% is an incredibly dangerous part of the ocean home to a significantly higher percentage of tropical storms and hurricanes, high surf, rogue waves from underwater tectonics as well as whirlpools and gigantic bubbles of methane gas which suddenly can reduce buoyancy of seawater
I’d rather sail there then the north sea
Also Bermuda is not like... a third of the way to Europe. Between a fifth and a quarter according to google maps. Still a massive area, but not the kind of massive implied.
Bermuda Triangle thing is also because a lot of flight and shipping lanes happen to pass through it. Bermuda is infamous for the amount of disappearances, not the disappearances to actual journeys. I think the Alaska Triangle is the worse for that.
Exactly. The _rate_ of disappearances in the Bermuda triangle is pretty much in line with most other shipping lanes in the world. There's more disappearances there, but pretty much in proportion to the the high level of traffic there due to several major shipping lanes all crossing each other.
The busiest streets have the most car accidents, not because there's anything wrong with the streets but just because there's more cars to potentially get in accidents. Goes for boats too.
Thanks for the quick lesson, im sure not one single other person watching knew that
Wait Alaska triangle is much worse...???
My grandfather, (Dad's dad), served in WW2 on Omaha beach and after the war, he actually worked as a security guard in the Museum of Science and Industry where he got to guard this exact sub. I've actually been to see the sub 2-3 times in my life since I live near Chicago and if you get a chance to see it, you should.
When I was younger I visited it. The size surprised me. Yes, subs are large on the outside, but very cramped in the actual crew areas. Nothing like what is shown in most movies.
As a submariner for years like my Skipper said, "the tip of the spear breaks first, we are the tip; pierce deep." We always knew no plan B, one chance you better win.
Visited and went inside the U-505 when I was working in Chicago. It is a super cool experience!
Was great to hear the story of how it got there from the great Fat Electrician lol
The Royal Navy managed to board a sinking U-Boat, unfortunately it was sinking to quickly and a couple of the boarding party ended up drowned but the others managed to get the Engima machine, code books and some other useful information out before it sank...
I used to visit the Museum of Science and Industry all the time as a kid, and I've been inside the U-505 many times. It's really cramped in there, but it's an amazing experience.
One of my grandmothers worked in a munitions plant. The other was a riveter on planes. My step grandfather had an M2 machine gun in Germany, my grandfather was Army Air Force and stayed stateside training pilots. My other grandfather was a Marine Raider and was in Guam and Okinawa. He saw enough crap that family lore says he walked from California to New Jersey (with some hitch hiking and stopping for periods of time to work) from 46 to 47. He never opened up about the war - the irony is that my dad served on some of the same bases his father helped to liberate.
World War Two was something completely different - hell they made pennies out of steel because they needed the copper for ammunition. They also made nickels with 35% silver because silver wasn't in short supply from the war effort but the copper and nickel were.
I first saw the video about this Uboat and loved every second of it and then I just recently read "Shadow Divers" a book about the group of divers who discovered and identified the U869 off the coast of New Jersey and one of the main people spent almost a week touring the U505 to understand the layout and where to look for builders tags and other items to try and identify the wreck. So it played a huge historical part back then as well as in the 90's with the other Uboat.
They knew the camera guy never dies, so having him close by would ensure everyone’s safety.
I visited this a few times as a kid in the Midwest whenever the family went to Chicago the Museum of Science and Industry and the Field museum of natural history were a must to visit.
There are 3 main reasons to capture enemy equipment: studying capabilities (like the Alutian Zero), reverse engineering any useful bits, intelligence.
“Why would the Americans be so interested in taking a submarine?” Two words: ENIGMA Machine.
Naval Enigma machines had been captured before this happened. This happened in 1944. The British Navy captured the naval enigma machines, code books, and cipher keys in May 1941 when they attacked and captured U-Boat U-110. The British (at Bletchley Park) then broke the enigma coding and could read all German messages generated using it by as soon as June 1941. So a full 3 years before this U-boat was captured by the US.
The British knew that the German luftwaffe were planning to attack Coventy with a massive air raid, but they couldn't let the Germans know that they'd broken the Enigma machine so allowed the luftwaffe attack to proceed unimpeded with very little resistance by the RAF, etc to make sure they (Nazis) didn't know they'd broken their coded messages. Coventry was 'coventrified' which to this day is used as a term to mean completely obliterated and totally wiped out by the bombing raids. Literally, nothing was left standing. But they had to let it happen or have Nazis know they could read their coded messages. So Coventry was sacrificed to ensure that it remained secret.
If you are in Chicago this is definitely worth a visit, I visited it as a kid when it was outside. Just before the pandemic I took my 4 daughters age 8-12 to the museum and even though they never expressed much interest in naval history it was one of their favorite things, when the sub came into view one excitedly asked if she could touch it. Her face lit up when I said that we were all going aboard.
I was very impressed by the new (to me) exhibit. It really seems to have a sub pen feel.
I went to high school in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and every fall we would take a trip down to the Museum of Science and Industry. I always went to the U-boat.
Holy crap, I went to the science and industry museum in middle school and saw this thing but didn't even know how important it was till now. I'm kicking my past self for not taking more pictures lol
The U-505 was captured on 4 June 1944 (wikipedia). It was a Type IXC, their super long range sub. That's why the allies wanted it. One of the most technologically advanced submarines of the war. It's awesome to visit, as of course is the rest of the Museum of Science and Industry. One could spend days there.
During WW2 some U.S. submarines were manufactured in Manitowoc, WI. And, of course, had to transit the Great Lakes to get out to the ocean. Crazy, eh?
If you go to Bletchley Park and tour the museum, this submarine and the Captain are mentioned. I remember seeing plaques of information and maybe even a diagram? There's like a whole room dedicated to it. It's amazing!!
I remember the U-boat tour was free at Science and Industry back as a kid. But they left it outside in Chicago weather. Now it's underground and now it's a even better museum artifact and get to see the entire U-boat with other artifacts
On the subject you brought up of submarine warfare in WW2: I'm not sure how you feel about incredibly long-form content (TH-cam is a grind so I don't blame you if you don't want to react to an hour-long video), but I highly reccomend even to just watch on your own time, Fredrik Knudsen's "The Battle of May Island | Down the Rabbit Hole". It goes a lot into Britain's response to German U-boats during the 2nd world war, and how horrible their submarines were, on top of being a very interesting story.
Happy to hear that you're feeling better!
Can anyone verify that "second largest naval fleet" (I assume by tonnage) part? It sounds plausible but it sounded even more funny.
I've been on that sub. It's in the Museum of Science and Industry. They show/showed a video of it's capture and moving it to Chicago.
16:30 So an explanation on how enigma was cracked: The way that the enigma machine worked is that there were preset settings all machines would have to be set to and you would type your message into the machine, which would in turn scramble the letters into a semi-incomprehensible letter. The problem the enigma machine had that led to its cracking was that while any individual character typed could be any other character on the other end, it could never be ITSELF. So as long as you had the presets for the day and enough time to power through every possible permutation of letters, you could in theory figure it out. What Turin's computer did was take run through each preset using other known phrasing that was consistent in every other message (i.e. Heil Hitler) without the computer, it would have been virtually impossible to brute force yourself into the answer for the days correspondence in time to be of any use.
The fact that a Polish diplomat laid his hands on one, and passed it along to the Brits didn't hurt any. That gave the Bletchly Park lads a major leg up; absent that baseline information, they'd have been howling into the dark.
The Kriegsmarine Enigma had an extra rotor, making it exponentially more difficult to break. This wasn't the first Naval Enigma machine grabbed - a year of so before, a U-Boat went aground, and the British got there before the crew could do anything serious about it.* Code books were wrecked, but the machine was essentially intact. However, the Germans were aware, and made changes, so the U-505 machine basically *un-did* all the security changes the Germans had employed, because they *did not know.*
* Incidentally, the major distinction between this capture and Gallery's is that Gallery did his ON THE HIGH SEAS. The RN's capture was basically a salvaging action, rather than a boarding.
It wasnt just having the machine itself. The brirish navy when they captured u-boat U-100 also managed to nit just capture the naval enigma machines but also the accompanying code books and cipher keys too. Enigma had billions of possible outcomes, the more wheels it had meant the more tens or hundreds of millions of iterations could be added. So 6 wheels was literally billions. Without the code books and cipher it'd have been much harder and why it actually only took 1 month after capturing the machine code book and ciphers to crack it. Once cracked they found out Germany was planning a huge bombing raid by the luftwaffe on Coventry. But they couldn't let the Nazis know they'd broken the enigma code amd could read their messages so the decision was made ro sacrifice Coventry amd put up very little resistance to allow the Germans no knowledge pf what they'd managed to do. Coventry was 'coventrified', a term now used(especially by the Brirish) to mean totally obliterated and destroyed. But they had to make that choice ro sacrifice Coventry or allow the nazis to know they'd broken enigma.
Great video. Been binging all of your reactions. I love to hear all the different additions from history teachers or military reactors.
Lazerpig's video on the First Duel Between Cruise Ships (Seriously) covers WW1 submarines as a build up to the main topic.
My grandfather did some of the restoration work with the U-505. Thanks to that, I got to see the exhibit in the Museum of Science and Industry long before it was actually opened to the public. He got to keep a piece of the original steel from it as a souvenir.
I love watching your videos, i have watched almost all of the fat electricians videos and finding your reactions with the deeper knowledge on most of the subjects is very very nice. Thank you so much for what you do.
There is a German WWII sub parked in one of the rivers in Pittsburgh too. I went on a tour of it.
Not German!! USS Requin Is A US Navy Tench-Class World War II Submarine
There was more footage at the end. Glad you're feeling better.
America is definitely an 'Audacious' nation, full of people who embrace that attitude!
As an American Citizen and USMC Veteran, I whole-hardheartedly enjoy it!
:-)
I imagine that the submarine got to Chicago via the st Lawrence seaway, Lake Ontario, Welland Canal, Lake Erie, Detroit River, Lake Huron, Straights of Mackinac, and finally Lake Michigan.
Absolutely love your Silver Snakes shirt from Legends of the Hidden Temple. That was my favorite team and that show got me into history
Love you’re videos! Always interesting to see the context you provide, or better yet your reaction to stories you’ve never heard! Sorry to hear you’re under the weather, hope you get back to 100% soon. Cheers!
"The Germans know what they are doing with their U-Boats!" Well, Mr. Terry, look up the story of U-1206! It is amusing that the Officer DIDN'T know what he was doing with that U-Boat! Greetings from Roosevelt, east of you, and keep up the good work. Edit: There are a couple of youtube videos about this one, including from the Fat Electrician, the History Guy, and Simon Whistler.
Ah the u-boat that sank due to the captain using the toilet plumbing wrong. The Fat Electrician did a video on that one too.
was that the sub sunk by it's own hi tech toilet?
@@h.cedric8157 Yes, yes it was. It still lays off the coast of Scotland.
@@stevenreckling203 Yes, that one is titled, Toilet Sinks Submarine - Most Expensive Bowel Movement Ever?
@@thefoss5387 flushed itself with one wrong flush
I loved history in school! By far my favorite in general subject. You remind me so much of my 8th grade history teacher. Love your videos. Glad I stumbled on your channel!
Mr. T. Love your channel, brother. I'm 41, love history, and I love it because I had a cool teacher in Junior High that made it interesting. Mr. Buesking (R.I.P.). Subbed.
I've been to visit U-515. It's an amazing sub!
I've actually laid hands on this U-Boat. They give tours of it at the museum. When I went to buy a ticket to walk through the boat, the lady took one look at me and said it would be the most uncomfortable 20 minutes of my life. I'm 6 feet 6 inches tall. My buddy, who is only 5 feet and change, said he had to duck a few times. If you're ever in Chicago, I recommend that museum. There's a lot of cool stuff inside.
I’m sure capturing up to date codebooks and other intelligence would’ve been really useful at any stage in the war, even in 1944 just 2 days before the D-Day landings, but I’m not sure how useful the Enigma machine would’ve been by then. HMS Bulldog had captured a U Boat with an intact Enigma machine back in 1941 and Polish intelligence had been working with one even before the war broke out, and had managed to get all their work to the UK before the Nazis invaded Poland so the Brits wouldn’t be starting from scratch. Defeating Nazi codes was probably an ongoing project during the entire war in Europe.
My Wifes grandfather was a WW2 Navy Vet. All the stories he told me about the crazy things they did in the Navy, they were usually just really bored. Theres not exactly a while lot to look at on the ocean.
The center-ish of the Bermuda Triangle is a MASSIVE magnetite deposit, which wrecks havoc with directional and electronic equipment plus the storms.
I’ve gone to see this thing more times than I can remember I didn’t know it was so significant
At 16:38 'those geniuses required' to decode the Enigma machines get mentioned. Two of my great aunts were among those hired away from their day jobs by The Department of War to become 'Computers' for the Enigma project. The family was always low-key about it, but what I remember of them (40+ years ago) was that every single cooking conversion possible they knew as if it were their nature.
I still take pride in serving dishes codified nearly a century ago by these women, the true unsung heroines of The Greatest Generation.
I saw that sub before the exhibit was completed when I was undergoing Gunners Mate A School at NTC Great Lakes. It's still mind boggling to know how they got it there.
As someone who lives near the Erie Canal, I can say with certainty that it didn't go through that. It simply wouldn't fit the locks.
This gives a new meaning to chicago deep dish
As a Chicago kid, the Museum of Science and Industry was, hands down, one of *the* places to spend your weekends (and at least half a dozen class field trips), especially once the Chicago Libraries started the museum pass system and you could get in for free. It's been a while since I've been, but I do remember the guided tours while she was still above-ground, and I remember watching the news reports come in as the process was started to move her to a more climate-controlled 'bunker' of sorts. It's definitely a tight squeeze - expected when you're dealing with underwater pew-pew ships - but worth the visit and the extra few bucks because the tours aren't part of the basic visit package.
Its actual a really cool exhibit. I take my family to MSI every year, and that uboat is definitely a highlight. The exhibit is really cool and talks about the battle of the Atlantic.
I don't know how they shipped it. But, assuming it was seaworthy, a vessel that size wouldn't fit in the Erie Canal. They'd have to go through the St Lawrence Seaway.
As far as I'm aware, this is exactly how they did it. I imagine moving her over land was the more difficult undertaking.
Aw no sorry to hear you were ill, hope you feel better
I'm very glad the dog loves his Xmas present so much.
I've been to thos u-boat twice.. used to be outside, but they put a building around it a few years ago.
9:44 you can see how proud TFE is as he’s telling what they did.
I've been aboard the U-505 when it was still outdoors.
I was also allowed to look out the battle periscope before some numpty broke it.
She was repainted to her wartime colors.
Recently (I was last aboard her in about 1976), the Museum of Science and Industry built an enclosure for it. Well worth the $18 adult ticket (active duty military and veterans get a $4 discount). Kids 11 and under are $14.
It's a cramped space and not for the claustrophobic. I was 12 and it didn't set off my claustrophobia.
They have an entire guided tour in that admission price.
Admission to the rest of the building is required and a good place to look around while you are waiting for the tour to start. There is a walk through human heart display that is still there and you can still kinda hear it beat on the second floor.
When I lived outside of Chicago, in my early teens, I was able to take a cheap train ride to the Museum of Science and Industry to visit the boat.
I like to imagine my man Terry here taking a fat dab right before turning on recording
Hope you feel better soon, Mr Terry.
Welcome back Mr. Terry!
I used to live on one of the edges of the Bermuda Triangle. The Sargassum from the Sargasso Sea is so bad at peak season that ever since Columbus first encountered it, people mistake it for land. Just acres of thick seaweed. Shallow water covers reef and rock blinding boars traveling through it. Sargassum gets sucked into marine engine cooling lines. I suppose back in the Earhart days, you see land, it looks flat enough, let's land! Splash. Add to that it's a popular area for tropical storms and hurricanes. It's a risky place to travel through before the era of satellite.
Regarding the Bermuda Triangle, yes ships and planes have gone missing there in the past, but the rate of disappearance is no higher than any other part of the ocean. Ships and planes used to go missing all the time, especially before radio.
Read a comment on the original video where someone said they toured the sub in Chicago and the guide seemed intimately familiar with the day to day life of a crewmen on the sub. To the point he asked him after the tour how the guide knew so much about life aboard the sub. The guides response was simple. "I was a radio operator on board when it was taken". That would have been a tour of a lifetime to be led by an actual crewmember
So Mr. Terry, hindsight aside, you’re saying that you would have been one of the last people to volunteer for the Oceangate exploration vessel, huh? 🙃🙃
5:46 find it interesting that they got the vessel on June 4, and wonder if this event had any bearing on the date change for D-Day?
The sub looks real good I toured it after I graduated boot camp in great lakes
One thing is to lay hands on an Enigma, to break their codes
The vertices of the "Bermuda Triangle" have a bad habit of changing depending on who is talking and what data they want to include or exclude. There ARE a lot of ships lost there. They are lost because it is a very busy shipping area with lots of ships passing through it. Ships tend to get in trouble where they actually are, and are seldom considerate enough to try to move themselves to less traveled areas when trouble arises. If you want to "define" the "English Channel Parallelogram" or the "Straight of Malacca Trapezoid" you could find similar losses. Conversely, the "Point Nemo Ellipse" has very few reported losses.
My school went to the museum when I was a kid and we went through it.
Touring is the reason behind the CAPTCHA. The big break with the enigma was the fact that the last 2 words of every Heil Hitler. So they knew 6 of the letters being used.
Great job on being up the imitation game. Great movie.
Honestly, sending a cameraman on board with the boarding crew makes a ton of sense. There's no guarantee that you'll be able to salvage the submarine. The next best thing you can do is photograph it before you escape. If you can pull that off, maybe the intelligence guys can learn something about it to give you an advantage.
Precisely, it is a chance to get photo evidence of the sub's layout and equipment in case it does sink.
@@tenofprime Also to get pictures of any top secret documents that might not be able to be stolen intact when they leave.
Sorry to hear you were under the weather and glad that you are feeling better, I wish you a speedy recovery. On another note, can you imagine the look on the British intelligence officials when they found how we got a hold of the enigma. Before I heard this story I did not think it was even possible to steal a submarine unless you took it over at port while it was above surface.
I would imagine that the goal was to get German tech, particularly enigma code machines. Code books, too.
"How do you track a submarine like that without sonar."
You don't but I think you are mistaking what sonar is, using sonar almost literally means just listening to the sounds of the ocean. So(sonic or sometimes sound) Na(navigation) and R(ranging) is the exact meaning of sonar and there are two types... technically more but two main types, Active Sonar which is the one you seem to be thinking about which basically is make a loud noise and wait for the noise to echo back, and Passive Sonar in which all you basically do is listen to the sounds of the water surrounding you.
In the case of tracking a sub you are typically using Passive, since Active Sonar would let them trace the sound back to you just as it lets you track them, and all you are doing is listening for the noise of the engines or other distortions made by the sub.
I love that you asked why they did this, its common to try and S.T.E.A.L. whatever intel you can, however you can. Onces the fight is beaten out of an enemy, of course you next think how you can get something useful from it. At this point it wouldnt be for how the sub works since they really were picked off pretty easily at this point but... well the video shows what they really needed to investigate about the uboats. It was absolutely a big deal but ya know, US likes to show off too.
7:35 getting enemy equipment and having the ability to study it reveals weaknesses and allows us to exploit them. There was an incident where the American military managed to get a nestly intact Japanese airplane that crashed in the Aleutian Islands which allowed them to get it up and running.
After the Army Air Corps had an opportunity to do a few test flighrs to develop some strategies to fight them based on knowing where the american airplanes were weak and where they could outperform the enemy plains. When the military places bids for planes and tell McDonnell Douglas what specs they need to meet, its based on intelligence we have on enemy equipment.
The Bradley fighting vehicle was built specifically because the old 113s couldn't keep up with the M1 Abrams tank and its important for the infantry to keep pace with the tankers
That's how we got the enigma machine?!? WOW!
No, the reason why the Bermuda triangle has such a history is how many fucking things has been lost there, like it is a higher percentage than anywhere else in the ocean
We wanted their 'Enigma' encryption machine. We Strategically Transferred Enigma to an Alternate Location. It was the entire point of capturing a German U-Boat.
Live in Miami, storms are common during the Hurricane season, and most of the disappearances are due to primitive equipment and a bunch of amateur sailors
Another great reaction, hope you get to feeling better soon.
Hi Mr Terry, I was gonna say that it’s logbooks were sent on to Bletchley and was used to help decipher the enigma but that was a completely other U-boat unfortunately.
I did a bit of research just to confirm my details. Unfortunately I found no record whether or not it’s logbooks or its enigma device had any notable impact on the war in the Atlantic.
Most likely, the logbooks and other notable papers recovered, and the device was probably sent onto Bletchley Park and was probably used to add to their stock of knowledge about breaking further parts of the U-boat code. But I’m making an assumption on that, so don’t quote me on it. Although it does sound like it was the most likely scenario.
I think a couple of channels you would love to watch videos by are TREY The Explainer with his videos of Ancient Rome and Egypt, and Histocrat with his videos that cover history all the way back to 10,000 BC!
Not necessarily to react to as they are quite long, but I thought you’d appreciate them for spare time!
Yes they sailed it to Chicago through the canal and great lakes
I walked through that sub back in high school
My favorite sub story from ww2 is the one of German sub having to surface because of the toilet being flushed wrong and got captured by the British
Love the shirt, the Sulver Snakes were always my favorite
QuackBang - Out. His outro is legendary.
Mr Terry, I love your videos and your commentary. But please, please, so talking over the videos so much! Haha! I want to hear them as well as your input and if you soak over without pausing I can't get both! Thanks again mate for all you do!
Daneil V Gallery has a great book that's also a fun read called "Clear the Decks".
I highly recommend it.
During 1941 the Royal Navy acquired a donation of a U-Boat, later HMS Graph( ex U570). I was depth-charged by an RAF Hudson of 269 Squadron and then surrendered to the aircraft. It was captured by HMT Northern Chief and taken to Iceland and eventually to Vickers shipyard in Barrow-in-Furness.
I actually went there not long ago and it is really cool especially because I play a ton of ww2 sub games like U-boat and the be Uboat the silent hunter, so I was able to geek out😂
Bermuda triangle has the notoriety because of the fluctuation of magnetism negatively affecting navigation instruments. Or that is the major consensus as of recent (last 15 years?)
2500 miles is like half the width of the u.s. I think.
Bermuda is only 1030 miles from Florida, not the far...
My friend, who served on the USS Herbert C. Jones, said that they got paid with money only TWICE while they were fighting in Anzio and North Africa. (The rest of the time they were given cigarettes, with which you could trade for ANYTHING (from a beer or a hot meal to prostitutes).)
He was rather offended that there were government pukes who miraculously showed up the two times they actually had money and tried to convince them, THE FIGHTING FORCES, to buy war bonds! I agree with his reaction.
12:32 The Bermuda Triangle has more sunken ships in it more that almost anywhere else in the world. The chief theory on this is that area is one of the busiest areas in the ocean and certainly in the Atlantic. As such more ships=more sunken ships even with the law of averages