BRANCH Test Layout | Using Pipe-Fitters Blue Book | Pipeline Welding Test

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  • @weldtube
    @weldtube  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

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  • @Flinto762
    @Flinto762 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Those fitters are elite, that's $1,000/day talent! Best fitting video on the youtube-verse!

    • @danielmartin531
      @danielmartin531 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah those guys are good but ive never heard of a welder or fitter making 1000 a day.
      Maybe 400

    • @ronmower3694
      @ronmower3694 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@danielmartin531 798 union pipeline fitters, welders on a high scale job make 1001 in a day of 10hr, 56$ on the arm ,22 on the rig, u get 165 sub 7 day a week no matter if u work! anything ovr 8hr a day is ovr time,= 1001 a day ,,fri day sat automatic ovr time. 798 baby been welding pipline ,tubes ,vessel, structural 33 y.

    • @unete.aquiahora1218_
      @unete.aquiahora1218_ หลายเดือนก่อน

      y favor ayúdenme a conseguir el libro y el marcador de punto de nivel

  • @fpscoco
    @fpscoco 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you guys. The world runs off of men like y’all. Keep up the great work and my God Bless all of your lives!

  • @larrymasterspowerbuildingc4477
    @larrymasterspowerbuildingc4477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This is a superior welding school. My welding school cost an arm and a leg and administration did not ever get us people like these two guys to show us the actual work in the field. Bravo SCWA. Keep rising!

  • @clintcowles7563
    @clintcowles7563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Great video Men! I'm 42 years of age. Had my priorities all screwed up in my late teens and twenties...clean up until I was thirty three. The high school I attended shut the weld shop down two years before I got there. Huge weld shop...30 foot ceiling, a dozen weld booths...just sat there. Kids vandalized everything. Smoked ciggs in the booths. Cut up cords and hoses...I wonder sometimes about how many lives were pissed away due to a decision made by alleged authorities to "save" money...and who is this "dollar" ?? And why are we trying so hard to "save" him??? You guys ...please keep on teaching! We need more like you three. Willing to pass along knowledge. Happy welding!

    • @ivanfredoo5863
      @ivanfredoo5863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm 27 now I won't finish trade school until 33 will that be too old getting into pipefitting?

    • @tyler7937
      @tyler7937 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ivanfredoo5863 Buy yourself a cheap welder and some scrap half beams and pipe, Get to it. Then set up the CWI exam. If you don’t feel comfortable, apply at a steel manufacturer, they’ll get you up to par and pay u for it

    • @boricuaarecibo9259
      @boricuaarecibo9259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivanfredoo5863 absolutely not go for it
      I'm in steamfitters local 475 Newark NJ but in the hvac division for the last 29 years I bought a cheap welder a few years ago an this year I started teaching myself to stick weld at 53 years old and I love it I do love being an hvac technician so I'm not changing careers but I really enjoy welding in my yard. I work for a huge mechanical contractor and we have a full fab shop with everything for welding

    • @michaelcrossley4716
      @michaelcrossley4716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds like my high school auto shop class.

  • @jeffsmith3941
    @jeffsmith3941 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Excellent video. Here is a little trick. When you get your hole cut in the runner some people might call this the header portion of the branch, clean it up and get it all shiny. Then for one final step take a cone grinder and radius the inside of the cut (the portion of the edge where your bead needs to tie into on the inside of the pipe). By making a radius on this it will all but guarantee you a full penetration root pass because it won’t allow visible edges to remain. A big bust (fail the weld test) for welders is when the inspector can see edges on the inside. If you radius the edge you leave no square edges to for the inspector to see. This might be hard to understand but just ask and I’ll try to clear it up.

    • @travisio
      @travisio ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s a great tip, thanks for sharing

  • @jordanwilson2470
    @jordanwilson2470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Best explanation & demo of the best & proper way to perform a layout & fit up, for a Pipeline Branch Test! If these youngsters can’t grasp the concept of how to go about implementing & practicing the proper way on taking a Branch Test…..Then they have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS, doing so! I wish I would have had this process laid out & explained to me, this clearly from the jump! Would have saved me a ton of time & heartbreak/heartache in the beginning! Great job guys! 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 🏆

  • @Matriiices
    @Matriiices 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I bought the pipefitters bluebook, and never knew how to read it. This makes a lot more sense now. Thankyou weldtube!

  • @Ahmed-zu9yv
    @Ahmed-zu9yv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you very much indeed. My father career. He is now retired. He was working at Aden refinery (BP) as a pipe fibracation shop fitter.
    Nice memories. I will show him this video. Best regards from Aden Yemen.

  • @karstenillg6047
    @karstenillg6047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Best dressed welders I've ever seen ! Excellent and professional vid, thanks !!

    • @toooldtochange6098
      @toooldtochange6098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Still has the clear tag on the blue shirt

    • @chriscarroll641
      @chriscarroll641 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bc they're shop workers. It's easy to spot the hard workers in the field. They'll have a green or orange shirt that has grinding holes and pipe dope all over it. You'll get guys that wear cologne and dress up real nice but they're almost always in debt and there's always something they "can't" do or it "isn't their job" to do. Find me a welder that can use a broom and I'll be shocked. 11 year fitter btw.

  • @skipwood3835
    @skipwood3835 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been a pipefitter welder for almost 30 years amazing you have to teach people this in videos now days.

  • @ezrhino1803
    @ezrhino1803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I learned more in this video than I have in 25 years of backyard welding. Great presentation Grant and Christopher.

  • @johnpoole1430
    @johnpoole1430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Awesome work gentlemen..I work in Alberta , Canada as a Jman pipefitter and you guys are among the best I,ve seen..Awesome communicators_awesome team.Born leaders...Thanks for your help!!!

    • @rockon8174
      @rockon8174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed! Learning more from this than my months at SAIT!

  • @trollin456
    @trollin456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Probably one of the best videos ive ever seen. So clean and to the detail!

    • @darwincolina8589
      @darwincolina8589 ปีที่แล้ว

      a la realidad en el campo la mayoria no cuenta con toda la logistica que tienen ellos a mano , se hace todo facil .

  • @repalmore
    @repalmore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe the best branch test tutorial I've seen yet. The one thing that I just didn't know about was the bevels on the branch. Now I understand it.

  • @burhack007
    @burhack007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for this, all I have is experience, I learned doing this from my co workers that already passed away, I'm definitely gonna watch all you're videos.

  • @Mike-rp5ts
    @Mike-rp5ts ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank yall for taking your time and explaining this "GREAT JOB" its nice to see some people take pride in there work and training.

  • @unholydudetx
    @unholydudetx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Just got my pipe fitters blue book in today, this video made it much easier to understand page 29! Thank you!

    • @deadlyfart9064
      @deadlyfart9064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My i know where to avail the blue book ser.
      I'm also a pipe fitter here in Philippines..
      Thanks.

    • @unholydudetx
      @unholydudetx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@deadlyfart9064 you can buy it on amazon

    • @anivalrodas3041
      @anivalrodas3041 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elgante felicitaciones perfecto solicito como hacer un acople en tubo de230mm boca pez de ustedes muy agradecido

  • @adrianmotet5083
    @adrianmotet5083 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best fabrication and fitment YT vids Ive ever seen.

  • @jimwhitaker8751
    @jimwhitaker8751 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    WeldTube . . . I wish I had seen your vid some 40 years ago.
    I would surely have made some different choices in my life.
    Now I'm too old for such a move since I am recently retired.
    However, I sure enjoyed watching your vid and learned a lot.
    Credit to you and thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @bradleywooldridge7883
    @bradleywooldridge7883 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It was very helpful that these guys were always on the same page literally finishing each other’s sentences. Crazy good job guys!

  • @lawrencewhite7781
    @lawrencewhite7781 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much in explaining this to me. Tonight is Saturday and I have a first class fitters test Monday morning making a 3 inch saddle. I have not laid one of these out and over 10 years and have completely forgotten the process. I give this video a 10 out of 10.

  • @paruliandohotma8066
    @paruliandohotma8066 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you.. it's really very helpful for pipe fitters.. hopefully it will never stop to teach the best for pipe fitters. I like it

  • @jcarrillo659
    @jcarrillo659 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Best welding related channel on TH-cam, hands down!

  • @seanmanwill2002
    @seanmanwill2002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great job and great video Guys!
    I've been retired fifteen years. I miss it dearly!

    • @ryanmccarthy8625
      @ryanmccarthy8625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perhaps you could get back into it or become a pipe fitting instructor.

  • @allen.lpersingerjr6408
    @allen.lpersingerjr6408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That was a super video , you guys were very good at explaining what you were doing, so I give you a 10+on the video and your explanation on what and how to getter Done ,

    • @singermanishthakur8462
      @singermanishthakur8462 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      10+10+123upari wor ki or op awr donwere doing 0001sidha hoga

  • @brandonbennett3495
    @brandonbennett3495 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He is very detailed with his intentions and the steps to achieve them one of the best teachers iv heard .. They should pay him Double (rig welders pay) to teach a his Own Class .

  • @daddypop4299
    @daddypop4299 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bless these guys for being able to do this.

  • @vinceventin459
    @vinceventin459 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I like that you showed how to use the Blue book. Excellent tips also. Very precise.

  • @petersipp5247
    @petersipp5247 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like your vid. I call what y'all as the "short method." One job I was on, we needed a lateral branch. 12" on 12" on a 45. I layed it out in the long method at home. Brought the pattern in. Worked perfectly.

  • @jamesmott2288
    @jamesmott2288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Great video. Probably the best fit and weld instructors I’ve seen!

  • @davecheatham9665
    @davecheatham9665 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Never welded anything ever but that was awesome! Going to use the same technique on 18” corrugated culvert pipe …

  • @williamscuautle3884
    @williamscuautle3884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I HOPE YOU PUT MORE FIT UP. VIDEO 🙌🙌 IT HELPS ALOT

  • @redgadget6569
    @redgadget6569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You guys did an awesome job, Thanks for the info and teaching ability.

  • @Jesusisking12011
    @Jesusisking12011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amen bro! Appreciate it! A lot of gas companies are moving towards this method of branch testing. I had to learn the hard way (failing a test). Thanks for the great video guys! Another one for the books.

  • @CRAFTGIRL-vq5
    @CRAFTGIRL-vq5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    when I'm tracing my layouts I find it easier to switch places and come from the other side of the pipe when doing the ears, nice vid

  • @Jimmermahomoney
    @Jimmermahomoney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    These guys did awesome! Nice work gentleman

  • @tombragalone7250
    @tombragalone7250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is one of the best informational videos I have seen, kept it sweet and simple, 👍👍👍!!!!

  • @victorrico424
    @victorrico424 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible video, what a beautiful and easy way to work.
    I see you from Spain

  • @richardarchuleta2399
    @richardarchuleta2399 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What size torch tip are you using, and what are your oxygen and acetylene pressures set at? Many Thanks.

  • @michaelphillips5445
    @michaelphillips5445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Get'er done fitters
    Learned a lot from this video

  • @marcolozano4169
    @marcolozano4169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Guys You are saving my life! When it comes to math I am a complete Idiot! this Blue Book and your well explained process just give me the edge I was looking for, I am welding 12"SS Chiller pipe all the time, carboard is my best ally but I never have my fittings perfect, today thanks to you! we have one less dumbass struggle to do it right! God bless you All!

  • @manoharsagunthalla9215
    @manoharsagunthalla9215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for sharing with full explanation!

  • @jimray937
    @jimray937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you I've just started welding pipe & tube. You have just helped me a lots.

  • @grantrichardson2185
    @grantrichardson2185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Superbadass video boys. Started doing pipe fab in a shop and this shit goes a long ways. Any vids on fitting with tricks and experience from the field benefits all of us. Leads on industrial fabrication vids will be taken this way too anyone.🤙🏼weld every damn day

  • @dustinread6407
    @dustinread6407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is one of the most informative and useful videos I've ever watched 👏

  • @MC-kh6oe
    @MC-kh6oe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Badass video. Step by step and detailed.

  • @SteelVic
    @SteelVic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Pretty knowledgeable guys, make it look very easy. Respect

  • @GSWEAR66
    @GSWEAR66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That's some badass pipe fitting!!!

  • @usergoogle
    @usergoogle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you very much, you are all amazing welders 👍

  • @jamesamores9611
    @jamesamores9611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for sharing guys! Wish I will have a chance to this things again.

  • @misaelsantiago
    @misaelsantiago 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent job on explaining the process. I barely know how to mig weld but one day I’d like to do stuff like this 👍🏾

  • @TadeTamtavun-zm6ch
    @TadeTamtavun-zm6ch ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks brother's,nice introduction,,,watching all way from Papua New Guinea,,

  • @edwardhutasoit3289
    @edwardhutasoit3289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You're all awesome guys, thank you for sharing how to make a riser and joining it 12 for 12.

  • @agazueishmael516
    @agazueishmael516 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The practical illustration is superb

  • @gholamalialmasi8906
    @gholamalialmasi8906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The explanation of cutting the pipe pattern was only on the map and was tedious,but you were very impressive with the explanation and practical work, and thanks for your guidance and help

  • @rigsospuro7158
    @rigsospuro7158 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man thank you this saved my tail lol. Really my first time doing it this way and the only way I’ll do it from now on. Good stuff.

  • @PopAlmostUpFront
    @PopAlmostUpFront 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man yall laid out all the details, nice video 👍🏻👊🏻

    • @jesserodriguez2769
      @jesserodriguez2769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did that kind of test many times n I did not have any help ,u take that kind of time n the inspector does not like it its a real tough test, plus then u have to do ur bellhole test test allso in less than 8 hours, u have to be a professional welder to do this in 8 hours by your self.

  • @TomvdHeuvel
    @TomvdHeuvel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Awesome video, i dont do any pipe fitting work, but this makes me want to get some pipe and start practicing anyway!

  • @rDigital2A
    @rDigital2A 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These men are artists and scholars.

    • @elcomandante9299
      @elcomandante9299 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yet dont no the concept of pi which equals 3.14.

  • @saints39
    @saints39 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great idea using the flashlight to make sure its sitting nice! Simple but effective!

  • @c4k3t0otz6
    @c4k3t0otz6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Always wondered how these saddles were made, I dont deal with much pipe where I work but he have augers in tubes that we have to replace the tube once in a while which requires doing this. Usually we get premade saddles with the auger but I'm sure they need modified to change the angles of the mounting position.

  • @BeJesus29
    @BeJesus29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome video! Very well presented! Keep 'em coming!

  • @johnpoole1430
    @johnpoole1430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys are awesome... I'm very impressed...Thanks for the pointers...

  • @treblemaker.89
    @treblemaker.89 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent info! Just mitered a pipe earlier today and could have used the tig wire trick to improve my results.

  • @heathrowism
    @heathrowism 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t weld but my God this is fascinating !!!!! Great work guys 👍

  • @robertthegod2110
    @robertthegod2110 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve watched so many videos and no one could explain it to me or show me as good as these guys just did

  • @rudymartinezjr3766
    @rudymartinezjr3766 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative and very well explained. Yoi guys are badass!!

  • @donkimble1417
    @donkimble1417 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its been said 100 times. Great job guys. My hat is off to ya.

  • @mikeyj1983
    @mikeyj1983 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video - extremely thorough. Can I ask what sort of bevel angles you utilized and why?

  • @dhondkurpadghabrey5959
    @dhondkurpadghabrey5959 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely superb. Bring some more.

  • @AgeefabandweldingLLC
    @AgeefabandweldingLLC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    How about a video on more in depth explanation of how to use the book

    • @grantshannonwelding11
      @grantshannonwelding11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We have a couple videos in the works on the blue book and typical pipe fitting

    • @mowafab
      @mowafab 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      learning how to read is the secret

  • @Justintimemetal
    @Justintimemetal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is awesome. Can't wait to see more in depth videos. Definitely needed this as we always use templates and they are not always 100 depending on the pipe we have.

  • @jimmywolfley
    @jimmywolfley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sheesh y'all fancier than apple bees on a date night. Thanks for this video!

  • @chindaodi4831
    @chindaodi4831 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your teachering pattern is excellent I love it, thanks

  • @johnmcgiv1
    @johnmcgiv1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good vid never saw you check with plate square toe length or throat also for square from header to branch, just a thought.

  • @guypike6402
    @guypike6402 ปีที่แล้ว

    Retired now but made and carried dozens of templates using the blue book. Bailed a bunch of pipefitters out over the years!

  • @johnpappas2060
    @johnpappas2060 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bless Another AWESOME 👏 video because it shows the results of Masters at work. Good job 👍 thanks 🙏

  • @ronmiller682
    @ronmiller682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for sharing your videos , I build stuff and always love learning tips amd tricks. And so sorry to hear about your fallen brother. God bless

  • @roweltamala1499
    @roweltamala1499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very satisfying demo sir thanks a lot good job

  • @josediaz-py2ij
    @josediaz-py2ij ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bien hecho, excelente trabajo

  • @weldplanet8806
    @weldplanet8806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Exceptional video exceptional video!!!!!!!💪🏿🙏🏿💯

  • @salvadorgutierrez2108
    @salvadorgutierrez2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow wow awesome Testing 👍

  • @geo_flores8315
    @geo_flores8315 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice 💪🏼 pipe fitters at my job use that thin steel that you strap down on pallets to mark the curve

  • @bluesteelworx
    @bluesteelworx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did a lot of this in the field on Sasol 2& 3 in South Africa in my younger days

  • @ryanmccarthy8625
    @ryanmccarthy8625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Intently watching videos such as this and taking notes, would ultimately be more convenient and cost-effective than spending thousands of dollars at and venturing back and forth to a training facility.

  • @ironfistboxingchannel5627
    @ironfistboxingchannel5627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent explanation and organization. Thank you

  • @sarawakiansborneo418
    @sarawakiansborneo418 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks brothers..a-z steps making riser@pipe branch

  • @vinatube765
    @vinatube765 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations, I'm from Brazil and I started following you, this video was very good, thanks my name is Manoel junior.

  • @Reinsorc8
    @Reinsorc8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can also draw this on any basic cad software and lay it out using parallel line development and then print it out and laminate and u will have it forever.. saves marking out new every time. Especially handy for smaller diameter piping.

    • @polyfoamcoats1650
      @polyfoamcoats1650 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you have any source or video that goes into detail about this?

    • @Reinsorc8
      @Reinsorc8 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@polyfoamcoats1650 search parallel line development on youtube. There is some free material on google as well.

    • @thebob3712
      @thebob3712 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      cad software? when i was learning this shit I had to develop it myself, you know, use my brain. Funny how this generation think they are smart because they can use a computer program but have no idea how to do it

    • @Reinsorc8
      @Reinsorc8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Big assumption there bob! of both my age and abilities. Was just offering a solution, not critisim. We learnt to complete both manually developed or using CAD and happlily switch between the two. As I mentioned basic cad software meaning you still need to know the fundamentals.. Its does not do it for you.

  • @dclrepair3869
    @dclrepair3869 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not a pipe fitter, but Do a lot of onsite fabrications great tutorial !!! Thanks

  • @bartbley1269
    @bartbley1269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've heard some one now has invented a saddle scribe using angle with a adjustable scribe guide

  • @bradken121
    @bradken121 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video guys,well detailed.

  • @rueldelossantos6430
    @rueldelossantos6430 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i watched it late but its worth watching thanks guys so much to learn from you.. bravo amigos

  • @robertward8037
    @robertward8037 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job of teaching fellas, thanks

  • @AngelRomero955
    @AngelRomero955 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m a sparky but it was interesting to watch this video and learn something

  • @rasoulkhadibi
    @rasoulkhadibi ปีที่แล้ว

    خیلی آموزنده بود
    خیلی متشکر از این آموزش بسیار مفید

  • @carloshart2424
    @carloshart2424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job. Just never saw if it was square b4 it got tacked??? In my business it would have to be. Js.

  • @darrellobermann2315
    @darrellobermann2315 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video it should help a lot of people

  • @jsmith8459
    @jsmith8459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Quick question when cutting the cookie out for the riser did yall cut the inside or outside line you scribed