Huey also secretly repaired Sahelanthropus after you recovered it from skull face and had the child soldiers help him in repairing it. This leads to Eli and the kids stealing it to escape.
Huey reminds me of our politicians in the USA. He was willing to forsake his morals to be on the winning side. Bht he overplayed his hand and it came back to bite him. The best thing about Huey is that he gave us Hal. In that way, he redeemed himself from his flaws.
Whilst I’m not a Huey apologist, I do remember thinking his portrayal in MGS:PW was such a stark contrast to what we were told in MGS2 that I couldn’t see him being a bad person as described. So I thought of some reasons why people might see Huey’s actions as (somewhat) understandable. It was only in MGSV that anything materially negative was actually shown to the player, which might have given him the guise of having good character. There is dissonance about the game’s narrative too. The whole MGSV experience was set that Big Boss and his army would begin to descend into villainy, explaining why Outer Heaven came to be. Therefore, one might be led to assume that any trial conducted by Diamond Dogs could be biased and based on unreasonable levels of suspicion - more like a witch hunt than a fair trial. I am still not sure myself if Huey knew that the UN inspection was a Trojan horse. Yes, he definitely disobeyed orders by allowing them entry to Mother base, however there’s never been anything concrete to show that he truly understood his actions would lead to the attack on Mother Base. When you questioned at 6:00 about why he’d work for Skullface when compared to Coldman, I think the best argument is that Skullface doesn’t want to directly use Salehanthropus to bring his new world order. Huey was only ever against using nukes for deterrence against other nukes, which isn’t Skullface’s exact plan. It’s more of a front as the real WMD he truly relies on are the vocal cord parasites. In response to the point from RDR2 and honour being lowered… it is usually the case that omissions, being the failure to act, do not lead to criminal or tortious charges in most jurisdictions. (Inferring there is no such duty to rescue someone) As morally despicable it may seem, if he didn’t trap Strangelove in the AI pod, almost any court would not place guilt on him for failing to save her. This coupled with the concession that Skullface could have been the one that trapped her in does make this a somewhat gray area and troubling to try and impose guilt. It’s really great to see members of the MGS community still debating these topics so many years on. I still think Huey is a scumbag, but I can understand why others have come to different conclusions too.
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In msg2 they litterly tell us how much of a pos he was he litterly tries to drown his own step daughter
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Huey changes his-story every single time he. Gets challenged on his bs even skullface knew he was little rat
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Bro even admits to stealing others work and taking credit for it
A bit of a necro, but i think it is pretty hard evidence when Skullface calls him a traitor and refuses to be compared by his standards. Skullface has no reason to lie here as he did not know snake was listening and it was a 1on1 conversation.
For me, i have claustrophobia, thinking about being locked in the ai pod and left there for rot...starving is one long painful process of dying..for doing that to strangelove, huey is pure evil to me
BB was going to give the kids a normal childhood on mother base then 18 of to the trenches. They weren't exactly child soldiers in the traditional sense
It's because he's so hated that he's a good villain. As much as I love a good cheese ball like volgin, a realistic backstabber was a welcome addition to the series rouge gallery!
I can get that! Huey was def a villain in a more realistic way than most villains in MGS and that's part of what makes his cowardice so shocking. Like, we're used to cheeseballs like Volgin, like you said. Then we get someone like Huey who just tries to wheedle his way out of things and it's like, what do we do with him? (push him somewhere else -- Patrick)
I don't hate him, only disappointed with his actions. (But! For two things) I don't blame him for his betrayal, he went through a lot. His personality is not fit for this line of work. The only thing i could be really mad at him for is killing Dr Strange Love & using his Son as a test Pilot for the Metal Gear.
You should do Hue and Ocelot tapes interrogations as a follow up to this. These are where you hear Hue lie and get caught in his lies all the time. He’s reveals a lot about himself in these.
@@FernandoMMuniz players also found Meterial Containers at Skullface HQ ( the one we saw him at Chopper and afterwards he made us go back to the selantrhopus ) Miller was a bussinesman he can do anything for money
@Garland846 well that might be but this is the only area has it and kojima said himself " i did not made any mistake at details" including assets and tbh if you think about the entire franchise this man cared about every detail soo i found hard to believe that
Miller made B.B. turn MSF into a massive power. Miller is the one who had Huey start to develop ZEKE. Miller used his supposed friends PTSD into taking the contract from Zadornov and Paz despite him KNOWING SHE WAS A CYPHER PLANT. Miller was the one to convince B.B. to take Peace Walkers nuke after his "friend" just went through killing The Boss again, causing him to believe he was betrayed by the boss and suffering severe trauma. Miller told B.B. about knowing Paz was a Cypher plant IMMEDIATELY AFTER she betrayed B.B. and the MSF, causing B.B. to view Miller as another betrayal. Miller makes Diamond Dogs for mainly money and revenge, not to give soldiers a home (throw in the debated generator with DD logo on it here in Skullfaces compound). Miller, after killing Skullface turns internally to Diamond Dogs for the next enemy, spreading paranoia amongst the people. Miller, after learning that B.B. actually abandoned him and started over without him because of his betrayal, decided rather than reflecting on his greed and dishonesty, that he was going to train B.B's Clone/Son to kill him, just to twist the knife a little bit more. And after all this, when Snake(David) "kills" B.B. what does Miller do? LAYS DOWN HIS GUN AND RETIRES. EXACTLY WHAT B.B. SAID THE BOSS DID TO BETRAY HIM. A final spit in the face to the man he once called friend. Miller is not completely at fault for what B.B. becomes but, his huge ego and greed is a huge part of why B.B. falls into madness. Sorry for the rambling. I'm just glad other people are seeing it too.
@Garland846 Hayter's Big Boss, especially in Peace Walker, sounds far more distinct to me than Randolph as Huey. Though I don't have a problem with Randolph's performance in MGS5; I just think one character having a different voice while the other character still has their iconic, original voice actor just leads to an awkward feeling. If David Hayter was still Snake, that feeling wouldn't be there.
@Garland846 Not even close. Hayter's voice for Solid Snake actually sounds a bit deeper than his voice for Naked Snake/Big Boss. It's not super high pitch for the latter but differences in a sense of pitch is there.
Sokolov is three times the man Huey is and five times the inventor, infact us Hiey even an imventir when all he does is co-opt other people's work and claim its his and working on his own he built the stupidest Metal Gear?
Im currently replaying Peace Walker and not to long ago i got to the scene where they decided use PW's nuke, it wasnt even Boss's idea, Kaz had to convice Boss to take it. Granted, it wasn't very hard to convince him, but it still wasn't Boss's idea. Same situation with ZEKE, as it was Kaz and Huey who started making it without Boss approving it at first. Everyone wants to blame Big Boss for their decisions even though Boss just okayed their ideas after giving valid reasons, and STILL stabbed him in the back in the end, and they blame him for the situations they put themselves in. Big Boss was okay being a hermit in a shack, training people who saught him out. Kaz is the who made him expand go against what he wanted and used the whole PW incident and Boss's trauma to make him expand. Kaz KNOWINGLY brought cypher to mother base, and rather than taking that secret to the grave, TOLD BIG BOSS RIGHT AFTER HE BELIEVED HE KILLED SOMEONE CLOSE TO HIM, AFTER BOSS BELIEVES THE BOSS BETRAYED HIM, AND IS GOING THROUGH SO MUCH MENTAL TRAUMA. Kaz at that moment was dead to Boss. And then theres Huey's ragedy ass rolling up and starts trying to do the same shit he was doing with Coldman. "Ima make you a thing, then sell you out when the situation/you show the slightest sign of weakness." (When snake shows up at the the PW incident/ZEKE get taken over by Cypher.) The only reason he helps out if MGS5 is to save his own skin until he sees something that can save his ass, hence mutating the parasites and causing one of the most tramatic moments in the series. Then he has the ding dang AUDACITY to blame you for everything hes done. Such a well written, irredeemable a-hole. Ive never seen anybody who tries to defend him online, but people need to stop what they're smoking and realize some people dont need tragic/relatable/justification to be the evil people they are in media. Anyway sorry for the ramble, thanks for coming to my TED talk.
13:49 I mean. For Venom the worst thing he could do for the dead soldiers was throwing them to the cold sea so Huey for him is even lower than them xd (Also losing the only thing that let him "walk" on his own like Strangelove said at the end of PW). Now I loved this video about Huey, and those theories that you shared are really interesting in my opinion. If I can Highlight another moment is when in MGSV he said he could build another weapon (Tank gear I think it was called) and Venom said it was a Deja Vu xd Commiting the same mistakes over and over. Edit: Sorry that I extended myself in the comment.
Even if Huey was justified for everything mentioned in this video, he still tried to drown Emma because he got cu*k*d by his new wife and Otacon. There's nothing good about him, even his inventions are stolen.
The one thing I still kinda believe Huey about is the reasoning he gave for accepting the inspection. I think he DID think it was real, but when it led to MSF’s destruction, he refused to accept responsibility and tumbled into a line of increasingly egregious lies and crimes.
Bruh I JUST bought MGSV yesterday and I get this in my recommended. Damnit Google spying on me. Oh well I was already fully spoiled by listening to the timeline over a year ago out of curiosity because I thought I wouldn't play the games, but MGSV was only 30 bucks for everything.
Isn't Skullface calling him a traitor pretty hard evidence? I mean, he was outright mad when he refused to be judged by Huey's standards, and he had literally no reason to lie because he did not know Snake was there. I mean, that should pretty much confirm the whole betrayal thing, no?
Re. Skull Face's work on Sahelanthropus and the confusing elements of that, Skull Face doesn't care about Sahelanthropus, he only cared that it could stand up when his real project, the English strain of the vocal cord parasites that would surpass Metal Gear, was finished. That's why he reached a breaking point with Huey, he was content to let him screw around and/or murder the mother of his child as much as he wanted, but Huey was such a perfectionist with the bipedal humanoid design that Sahelanthropus was still stuck with a child-sized cockpit when it actually mattered. Huey is probably my favourite Metal Gear character for such a terrible person he is. IMO his core character motivation is that, due to his psychological complex around his disability being entwined with his father's legacy in the Manhattan Project, _(featured in Peace Walker's tapes)_ he's obsessed with perfecting his Metal Gears. I seriously believe the main reason he betrayed Big Boss for Cipher was because Big Boss had no reason to need Huey to build a new Metal Gear
3:43 "he just wants to make sure that the people with those weapons are the people he can trust" 6:00 "i dont know why Huey stomached working for Skullface" I WONDER WHY Also, Huey is innocent in MSF incident. Thing is, Miller worked with Skullface and he knew that it will be very easy to scapegoat Huey. Huey pointing out DD isnt a dog but a wolf is a sign Also Skullface might have pushed Strangelove in the pod because of their opposing views on Boss's will. I honestly cant imagine Huey killing her Also, Pyscho Mantis might have been always intended to be Sahelanthropus pilot. Its a pretty big leap, but we can assume US intelligence knew about him. USSR was crumbling during that time
Huey's 180 in GZ just felt like a rushed character developerment and that we needed more time to fresh it out. Nice video BTW. I'd advice you should make the focus linse a little more clearier.
Huey's 180 in GZ and TPP def feels out of left field. Like, he seems like a good guy in PW and then we're supposed to hate him as a bad guy in TPP. Obviously, people can change, but I def think his character development could be handled a little better... And thank you for the feedback!! I'll look into trying to adjust this...
@@luffiewebster we knew to begin with that he tried to cowardly drown his own step-daughter during his suicide in mgs2. did you expect him to be a good person?
Ive only played mgsv so Ive only that game to go by, I was expecting to find out later on that he was innocent and being unfairly persecuted, that some secret recording would come out exonerating him after they put him on the raft, I also thought I was only half way through the game though xD now I see him as a weasel only loyal to his self and his image. Like that one kid at school that would convince you to pull the fire alarm for a laugh, then immediatly cry and say that it was your idea and you made them do it when you both get caught
Thank You for this video. A lot of people say that Huey did a 180 in MGS:V, but I believe they miss the point that he was a hypocrite even in MGS:PW it just was not so visible because at that point in time he liked BB. People tend to stop like others when they kidnap, question and torture you. Diamond Dogs started to treat Huey like people for whom he worked in the past and he started to act towards them like towards those people.
“I am a gun.” -Big Boss, Peace Walker “We’re not just pawns in some game, you know.” -Raiden, Sons go Liberty “You’ve been our puppet all along, just like Olga.” -Ocelot, Sons of Liberty With these quotes, I hope to establish something of a pattern. I think they all apply to Huey Emmerich. It is my theory that from the very first time you meet Huey in Costa Rica, he is a Cypher Agent, a sleeper deigned to be rescued and recruited by Big Boss as something of a Trojan horse. In previous videos, I have stood up for (or at least not condemned) Huey, because as players of MGS games, we have all been agents of Cypher, with orders to eliminate his enemies. It has been pointed out to me that not all player characters kill, something I hadn’t considered before. Throughout the series we see characters (and players) turn against the will of Zero. Huey never does. Unable or unwilling to stand up against his superiors, he follows every order, regardless of how damaging the consequences might be. It is my belief that we never see a single decision he’s ever made on his own. He is the very embodiment of the above quotes, a useful tool in the hands of the Patriots. So does Huey deserve the all the hate? Absolutely. By surrendering his will to Zero, he allows himself to commit abhorrent acts, unforgivable acts. Huey is the perfect example of Zero’s power and influence, and may even be enough to say that is why the world needs Big Boss. But that’s a topic for another time. PS Thank you for the shout out, Luffie! It was a delightful surprise and a tremendous honor!
Ooh this is a super interesting theory!! I'd never thought about these quotes in the context of Huey or that Huey could have been a sleeper agent sent by Cipher all the way back in MGS PW! My only push back to that theory is, Huey led to the destruction of MSF and I don't think Cipher wanted to destroy BB. Especially since Zero helps get Big Boss to that hospital in Cyprus where he recovered. Zero didn't get anything out of BB by destroying MSF. Or, do you think that was an accident since XOF was operating under Skull Face by that point? Do you think Huey really thought he was talking to the UN when he sent that letter to allow them to inspect the base? Or do you think Huey was secretly working for Cipher and communicating with XOF (still under the believe that XOF was an extension of Cipher when they'd already broken away)? Or do you think Huey was working directly with XOF and let them on base knowing the end game was to destroy it? And absolutely! Thank you for adding to the conversation in such an interesting way! Your comment really got me thinking and I was happy to credit that in my vid!
@@luffiewebster these are some fascinating questions. There a lot to unpack here, so let's begin. We know that Zero is willing to destroy MSF because that was part of the ultimatum he had Paz issue BB when she hijacked Zeke. That being said, I agree with you, it's unlikely that that's what Zero wants to do. So what does Zero want? This question is answered by Eva in MGS4. Ever since BB's departure from the Patriots, Zero wanted BB to return. Think of the Patriots as a body, incomplete without BB. The Phantom Pain is Zero's pain. He wants the Patriots to be complete again and he will not lose any sleep over destroying MSF in order to achieve that. Now, to address the other issues, it really depends on how real you believe GZ was. In my personal head-canon, GZ is a simulation experienced by Venom and none of it actually took place. I believe that the UN inspection was a ruse, that Huey knew it was XOF and his orders were to let them in, and for his cooperation he would be spared. There's more to my theory, but that's where I'll leave it for now.
I wanted to trust Huey early on, however the amount of lies that he told and contradictions in his behaviour meant he just was not good news. In the beginning I just viewed him as another Octacon. But he's really nothing like Hal at all.
When I get to the idea of judging the case of Huey, I always see two big perspectives, a moral judgment, and MSF/Diamond Dogs judgment. What is interesting morally, is that, well, Huey isn't much worse than the rest of Diamond Dogs, he worked in weapon development with a direct negative impact on the world multiple time and with knowledge of the implications, worked willingly for the biggest PMC in the world, literally murdered his wife and abused his son for his experiments, and managed to die in one of the most pathetic way a parent can die. But it's on par with the rest of the crew; Diamond Dogs is a private military company, leaded, and mostly composed by experienced soldiers that all have at least some experience in the horror and corrupting nature of warfare. They live on an offshore plant, being their own state in a way, where their own rules and laws applie. Have as a job violence, and murder, and posses nuclear weapons. Nobody in this story is "morally good", it's too late for that, we're already in Outer Heaven, no better than Huey, probably worse than him if you try to make a score or an actual judiciary case. Now, from the point of view in game, as "Diamond Dogs", the man likely betrayed us (really have a hard time believing that a paraplegic scientist can just flee a sinking offshore platform with the gunfights happening on it without help, and I have yet to hear anything about MSF staff helping him) may have had more understandable reasons, but his really insconsistent lying, desperate to get out of suspicion doesn't work in his favor, (a point for the "truth serum" and Ocelot torture not leading to anything more conclusive), maybe he's so lost in all his lies, trauma, and likely self-hate (exhibit: is death as described in MGS2) that he has forgotten, or uninternalized the actual occurence of events? That would be already enough to put him under questioning, but there is some leeway to his case as long as we are not at least reasonably certain of what actually happened to Huey in the Mother Base attack, what breaks the deal is Strangelove of course. So, that pathetic joke of a scientist (this is where I loose all respect for him), after finally romancing the actual scientist that didn't seem that much interested in him during almost the entirity of Peace Walker, get a child with her, try to use that child for scientific research of weapon technology, she disagree (as any sane parent would), so he lock her in a sealed box instead of accepting to lose an argument, he, for whatever fu-*.ng reason, does not re-open it, and she dies of asphyxia. You can argue the details, but there isn't much informationg that makes you think of any better course of events without going to wild theories I think, that one part of the case against Huey has all the proof necessary to be "reasonably certain", seeing Strangelove was part of MSF for a time, and what are the shared values of MSF & DD (Loyalty, and ffs, "don't draw weapon on comrades"), pretty certain it would be reasonable for it to deserve the most severe punishments from DD perspective, not only did he murder one of MSF, one of his own, "our" own, the drama of him going as far as gaining her romance while she was not open for it initially would probably play a worsening part in an unprofessional judiciary system like Diamond Dogs. If it were up to me? I would vote exile, I never choose the murder option, too "pacifist" for it, but this """scientist""" don't stay on my mother-base. Subtility is, at this point, I hate him enough that I would not care if he's killed, as in if I was Big Boss, I would propose exile, but I would have bowed to the demands of the DD staff and he would have ended on death row. The canon event is exile, and the result is him being a bad parent till the end, and then trying to take himself out (with his infant daughter, he was really a terrible father), probably due to tremendous guilt, wich is... A terrible outcome for his kids, both Hal and Emma (and Emma's mother), but all this trauma leads to Hal being at right place at the right time and giving the timeline we know of today, maybe other outcomes would have been better for his family, probably Emma dies older with those outcomes, but it's probably the only outcome where Hal brings that much good in the world as Otacon, one that could almost redeem his father sins... And I mean, with any other outcome, MGS2 cannot occur, and do you want to live in a world without MGS2? I tought not, exile it is then, for the meta answer! I went into a too long fan rant not adding much to the conversation right?
**EVERYBODY AT HERE IS WRONG AND HUEY IS INNOCENT ( WELL HE IS NAIVE AND IGNORANT ) BUT ALSO INNOCENT** I have to disagree on some of the parts but I liked a video that realy stops being emotional and tries to find the truth 1- Why Big Boss needs a Metal Gear ZEKE ?, if you rebember after BB and Huey met he talks about how the todays modern world peace is happening, its called the Nuukleear Deterence, both sides cannot attack each other because one side might send a nuke to other one if one of the parties attack one other, now BB and MSF needs this weapon in order to make sure they dont get wiped out by their enemies, both Americans and Russians, in order to avoid World Wars we use Nuuklear Detterence, BB did the same and Huey was right about it, he trusted big boss and he did the right choice, well also making ZEKE was supposed to make sure Coldman wont attack them either but he was too crazy to be stopped with some detterence ( he never believed people were brave enough to push the button ), the logic of detterence is ilusion, but to be honest it had to be done I dont think blaming Huey for this makes sense one way or another their enemy will have a weapon similar to them and also the first Metal Gear is Soviet made too... 2- If you rebember at MGS V Ground Zeros Skullface says "the scientist is the key" and Miller says that Dr.Strangelove left right before the day the attack happened, if she was going to be taken with Huey why did she left, there was no reason for Huey to tell her to leave, after the attack Strangelove wants the remainings of the Metal Gear and takes it with help of Amanda ( she does not thinks anything wrong about it ) if you rebember the Cassete Tape that nobody actually listened the rest of it Strangelove forces Huey to kill her but when he refuses and puts into the pod that has air ( rebembet at MGS PW ) she litteraly does something to the Pod and kills herself, if you listen the rest 9 minutes your going to realise she was obssesed with The Boss and at Peace Walker she tried to kill Big Boss many times, if you ask to me Huey was innocent but he was Naive as you said, he was talented and he thought he could change the world with this weapons but he never thought people he was working with was extremly destructive and had their own agenda, why nobody listend the dam Cassete that Strangelove shows she did something to Pod that caused the air to leave ( probably a emergency setting that was made to stop fire by making h2o leaving the pod ), he did not but Miller made it sound like that because he wanted revenge at all cost like he behaves he let Paz join them and litteraly worked for Zero and he also says "the cassete tapes again" He made SURE BIG BOSS DIDNT KNOW, he is blaming everything to Huey because he knew he is one of the reason that this attack to motherbase happened. Heuy did put her into the pod but she soffucated herself. We also have zero EVIDENCE about Hal using his own child for test which also makes no sense at all why in earth he uses a child to test the weapon wth was supposed kid do use a billion dollar nucklear war machine ? Its all just crap Miller made up, Miller is blinded by his own hatred At Turkey there is a term called Algı Operasyonu means "perception operation" all the characters at the game especially at this one made this operation very well, at 1984 this term is also used in a different name, its used to play the mind of the public, making them think about a issue without any evidence or with omision of Truth which is done very well by Miller, he used the anger of the player base and the diamond dogs, Venom Snake realised this is just a execution not a court and he choosed to excile him
That right there is why you’re the best Boss The one and only. Codename 🦊 S rank. Special Items used: Ascot Huey is disgusting, but is equally disgusting to most of the MGS characters(exceptions Natasha,Mei Ling,Otacon,Sunny) and I also find his very existence to be unecessasary. But he was right where he belonged at Diamond 💎 🐩 Dogs. 💁🏿♂️”Sally” Nice touch Boss
Huey also secretly repaired Sahelanthropus after you recovered it from skull face and had the child soldiers help him in repairing it. This leads to Eli and the kids stealing it to escape.
Huey reminds me of our politicians in the USA. He was willing to forsake his morals to be on the winning side.
Bht he overplayed his hand and it came back to bite him. The best thing about Huey is that he gave us Hal. In that way, he redeemed himself from his flaws.
Whilst I’m not a Huey apologist, I do remember thinking his portrayal in MGS:PW was such a stark contrast to what we were told in MGS2 that I couldn’t see him being a bad person as described. So I thought of some reasons why people might see Huey’s actions as (somewhat) understandable.
It was only in MGSV that anything materially negative was actually shown to the player, which might have given him the guise of having good character.
There is dissonance about the game’s narrative too. The whole MGSV experience was set that Big Boss and his army would begin to descend into villainy, explaining why Outer Heaven came to be. Therefore, one might be led to assume that any trial conducted by Diamond Dogs could be biased and based on unreasonable levels of suspicion - more like a witch hunt than a fair trial.
I am still not sure myself if Huey knew that the UN inspection was a Trojan horse. Yes, he definitely disobeyed orders by allowing them entry to Mother base, however there’s never been anything concrete to show that he truly understood his actions would lead to the attack on Mother Base.
When you questioned at 6:00 about why he’d work for Skullface when compared to Coldman, I think the best argument is that Skullface doesn’t want to directly use Salehanthropus to bring his new world order. Huey was only ever against using nukes for deterrence against other nukes, which isn’t Skullface’s exact plan. It’s more of a front as the real WMD he truly relies on are the vocal cord parasites.
In response to the point from RDR2 and honour being lowered… it is usually the case that omissions, being the failure to act, do not lead to criminal or tortious charges in most jurisdictions. (Inferring there is no such duty to rescue someone) As morally despicable it may seem, if he didn’t trap Strangelove in the AI pod, almost any court would not place guilt on him for failing to save her. This coupled with the concession that Skullface could have been the one that trapped her in does make this a somewhat gray area and troubling to try and impose guilt.
It’s really great to see members of the MGS community still debating these topics so many years on. I still think Huey is a scumbag, but I can understand why others have come to different conclusions too.
In msg2 they litterly tell us how much of a pos he was he litterly tries to drown his own step daughter
Huey changes his-story every single time he. Gets challenged on his bs even skullface knew he was little rat
Bro even admits to stealing others work and taking credit for it
A bit of a necro, but i think it is pretty hard evidence when Skullface calls him a traitor and refuses to be compared by his standards. Skullface has no reason to lie here as he did not know snake was listening and it was a 1on1 conversation.
For me, i have claustrophobia, thinking about being locked in the ai pod and left there for rot...starving is one long painful process of dying..for doing that to strangelove, huey is pure evil to me
BB was going to give the kids a normal childhood on mother base then 18 of to the trenches. They weren't exactly child soldiers in the traditional sense
It's because he's so hated that he's a good villain. As much as I love a good cheese ball like volgin, a realistic backstabber was a welcome addition to the series rouge gallery!
I can get that! Huey was def a villain in a more realistic way than most villains in MGS and that's part of what makes his cowardice so shocking. Like, we're used to cheeseballs like Volgin, like you said. Then we get someone like Huey who just tries to wheedle his way out of things and it's like, what do we do with him? (push him somewhere else -- Patrick)
I don't hate him, only disappointed with his actions. (But! For two things)
I don't blame him for his betrayal, he went through a lot.
His personality is not fit for this line of work.
The only thing i could be really mad at him for is killing Dr Strange Love & using his Son as a test Pilot for the Metal Gear.
You should do Hue and Ocelot tapes interrogations as a follow up to this. These are where you hear Hue lie and get caught in his lies all the time. He’s reveals a lot about himself in these.
No one asks about miller
Yeah, Miller was doing some mayhem while BB was in coma.
@@FernandoMMuniz players also found Meterial Containers at Skullface HQ ( the one we saw him at Chopper and afterwards he made us go back to the selantrhopus ) Miller was a bussinesman he can do anything for money
@Garland846 well that might be but this is the only area has it and kojima said himself " i did not made any mistake at details" including assets and tbh if you think about the entire franchise this man cared about every detail soo i found hard to believe that
@Garland846You can find identical structures like that in Mfinda Oilfield, in which they don't have the logo, so i think it was deliberate
Miller made B.B. turn MSF into a massive power. Miller is the one who had Huey start to develop ZEKE. Miller used his supposed friends PTSD into taking the contract from Zadornov and Paz despite him KNOWING SHE WAS A CYPHER PLANT. Miller was the one to convince B.B. to take Peace Walkers nuke after his "friend" just went through killing The Boss again, causing him to believe he was betrayed by the boss and suffering severe trauma. Miller told B.B. about knowing Paz was a Cypher plant IMMEDIATELY AFTER she betrayed B.B. and the MSF, causing B.B. to view Miller as another betrayal. Miller makes Diamond Dogs for mainly money and revenge, not to give soldiers a home (throw in the debated generator with DD logo on it here in Skullfaces compound). Miller, after killing Skullface turns internally to Diamond Dogs for the next enemy, spreading paranoia amongst the people. Miller, after learning that B.B. actually abandoned him and started over without him because of his betrayal, decided rather than reflecting on his greed and dishonesty, that he was going to train B.B's Clone/Son to kill him, just to twist the knife a little bit more. And after all this, when Snake(David) "kills" B.B. what does Miller do? LAYS DOWN HIS GUN AND RETIRES. EXACTLY WHAT B.B. SAID THE BOSS DID TO BETRAY HIM. A final spit in the face to the man he once called friend.
Miller is not completely at fault for what B.B. becomes but, his huge ego and greed is a huge part of why B.B. falls into madness. Sorry for the rambling. I'm just glad other people are seeing it too.
They should've gotten a different voice for him. Having Otacon's original voice and a different voice for Snake just feels weird the entire time.
@Garland846 Hayter's Big Boss, especially in Peace Walker, sounds far more distinct to me than Randolph as Huey. Though I don't have a problem with Randolph's performance in MGS5; I just think one character having a different voice while the other character still has their iconic, original voice actor just leads to an awkward feeling. If David Hayter was still Snake, that feeling wouldn't be there.
@Garland846 Not even close. Hayter's voice for Solid Snake actually sounds a bit deeper than his voice for Naked Snake/Big Boss. It's not super high pitch for the latter but differences in a sense of pitch is there.
no, it's genius. you would hear the voice and WANT to believe he would be innocent
You get it. You're absolutely right. It was a choice for sure to get the player to be predisposed to want to trust Huey. @@mr.monkey354
Sokolov is three times the man Huey is and five times the inventor, infact us Hiey even an imventir when all he does is co-opt other people's work and claim its his and working on his own he built the stupidest Metal Gear?
Deadasss!!!!
Im currently replaying Peace Walker and not to long ago i got to the scene where they decided use PW's nuke, it wasnt even Boss's idea, Kaz had to convice Boss to take it. Granted, it wasn't very hard to convince him, but it still wasn't Boss's idea. Same situation with ZEKE, as it was Kaz and Huey who started making it without Boss approving it at first. Everyone wants to blame Big Boss for their decisions even though Boss just okayed their ideas after giving valid reasons, and STILL stabbed him in the back in the end, and they blame him for the situations they put themselves in.
Big Boss was okay being a hermit in a shack, training people who saught him out. Kaz is the who made him expand go against what he wanted and used the whole PW incident and Boss's trauma to make him expand. Kaz KNOWINGLY brought cypher to mother base, and rather than taking that secret to the grave, TOLD BIG BOSS RIGHT AFTER HE BELIEVED HE KILLED SOMEONE CLOSE TO HIM, AFTER BOSS BELIEVES THE BOSS BETRAYED HIM, AND IS GOING THROUGH SO MUCH MENTAL TRAUMA. Kaz at that moment was dead to Boss.
And then theres Huey's ragedy ass rolling up and starts trying to do the same shit he was doing with Coldman. "Ima make you a thing, then sell you out when the situation/you show the slightest sign of weakness." (When snake shows up at the the PW incident/ZEKE get taken over by Cypher.) The only reason he helps out if MGS5 is to save his own skin until he sees something that can save his ass, hence mutating the parasites and causing one of the most tramatic moments in the series. Then he has the ding dang AUDACITY to blame you for everything hes done. Such a well written, irredeemable a-hole. Ive never seen anybody who tries to defend him online, but people need to stop what they're smoking and realize some people dont need tragic/relatable/justification to be the evil people they are in media.
Anyway sorry for the ramble, thanks for coming to my TED talk.
13:49 I mean. For Venom the worst thing he could do for the dead soldiers was throwing them to the cold sea so Huey for him is even lower than them xd (Also losing the only thing that let him "walk" on his own like Strangelove said at the end of PW).
Now I loved this video about Huey, and those theories that you shared are really interesting in my opinion. If I can Highlight another moment is when in MGSV he said he could build another weapon (Tank gear I think it was called) and Venom said it was a Deja Vu xd Commiting the same mistakes over and over.
Edit: Sorry that I extended myself in the comment.
battle gear.
@@mr.skarkasm7755 Thanks
Even if Huey was justified for everything mentioned in this video, he still tried to drown Emma because he got cu*k*d by his new wife and Otacon.
There's nothing good about him, even his inventions are stolen.
The one thing I still kinda believe Huey about is the reasoning he gave for accepting the inspection. I think he DID think it was real, but when it led to MSF’s destruction, he refused to accept responsibility and tumbled into a line of increasingly egregious lies and crimes.
If I were Skullface, I would at very least consider a little person pilot for Sally
The dwarf to surpass all dwarves...
Bruh I JUST bought MGSV yesterday and I get this in my recommended. Damnit Google spying on me.
Oh well I was already fully spoiled by listening to the timeline over a year ago out of curiosity because I thought I wouldn't play the games, but MGSV was only 30 bucks for everything.
Isn't Skullface calling him a traitor pretty hard evidence? I mean, he was outright mad when he refused to be judged by Huey's standards, and he had literally no reason to lie because he did not know Snake was there. I mean, that should pretty much confirm the whole betrayal thing, no?
Re. Skull Face's work on Sahelanthropus and the confusing elements of that, Skull Face doesn't care about Sahelanthropus, he only cared that it could stand up when his real project, the English strain of the vocal cord parasites that would surpass Metal Gear, was finished. That's why he reached a breaking point with Huey, he was content to let him screw around and/or murder the mother of his child as much as he wanted, but Huey was such a perfectionist with the bipedal humanoid design that Sahelanthropus was still stuck with a child-sized cockpit when it actually mattered.
Huey is probably my favourite Metal Gear character for such a terrible person he is. IMO his core character motivation is that, due to his psychological complex around his disability being entwined with his father's legacy in the Manhattan Project, _(featured in Peace Walker's tapes)_ he's obsessed with perfecting his Metal Gears. I seriously believe the main reason he betrayed Big Boss for Cipher was because Big Boss had no reason to need Huey to build a new Metal Gear
3:43 "he just wants to make sure that the people with those weapons are the people he can trust"
6:00 "i dont know why Huey stomached working for Skullface"
I WONDER WHY
Also, Huey is innocent in MSF incident. Thing is, Miller worked with Skullface and he knew that it will be very easy to scapegoat Huey. Huey pointing out DD isnt a dog but a wolf is a sign
Also Skullface might have pushed Strangelove in the pod because of their opposing views on Boss's will. I honestly cant imagine Huey killing her
Also, Pyscho Mantis might have been always intended to be Sahelanthropus pilot. Its a pretty big leap, but we can assume US intelligence knew about him. USSR was crumbling during that time
Huey's 180 in GZ just felt like a rushed character developerment and that we needed more time to fresh it out.
Nice video BTW. I'd advice you should make the focus linse a little more clearier.
Huey's 180 in GZ and TPP def feels out of left field. Like, he seems like a good guy in PW and then we're supposed to hate him as a bad guy in TPP. Obviously, people can change, but I def think his character development could be handled a little better...
And thank you for the feedback!! I'll look into trying to adjust this...
@@luffiewebster he was pretending to get good with BB
@@luffiewebster
we knew to begin with that he tried to cowardly drown his own step-daughter during his suicide in mgs2. did you expect him to be a good person?
Ive only played mgsv so Ive only that game to go by, I was expecting to find out later on that he was innocent and being unfairly persecuted, that some secret recording would come out exonerating him after they put him on the raft, I also thought I was only half way through the game though xD now I see him as a weasel only loyal to his self and his image. Like that one kid at school that would convince you to pull the fire alarm for a laugh, then immediatly cry and say that it was your idea and you made them do it when you both get caught
Thank You for this video. A lot of people say that Huey did a 180 in MGS:V, but I believe they miss the point that he was a hypocrite even in MGS:PW it just was not so visible because at that point in time he liked BB. People tend to stop like others when they kidnap, question and torture you. Diamond Dogs started to treat Huey like people for whom he worked in the past and he started to act towards them like towards those people.
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“I am a gun.”
-Big Boss, Peace Walker
“We’re not just pawns in some game, you know.”
-Raiden, Sons go Liberty
“You’ve been our puppet all along, just like Olga.”
-Ocelot, Sons of Liberty
With these quotes, I hope to establish something of a pattern. I think they all apply to Huey Emmerich. It is my theory that from the very first time you meet Huey in Costa Rica, he is a Cypher Agent, a sleeper deigned to be rescued and recruited by Big Boss as something of a Trojan horse. In previous videos, I have stood up for (or at least not condemned) Huey, because as players of MGS games, we have all been agents of Cypher, with orders to eliminate his enemies. It has been pointed out to me that not all player characters kill, something I hadn’t considered before. Throughout the series we see characters (and players) turn against the will of Zero. Huey never does. Unable or unwilling to stand up against his superiors, he follows every order, regardless of how damaging the consequences might be. It is my belief that we never see a single decision he’s ever made on his own. He is the very embodiment of the above quotes, a useful tool in the hands of the Patriots.
So does Huey deserve the all the hate? Absolutely. By surrendering his will to Zero, he allows himself to commit abhorrent acts, unforgivable acts. Huey is the perfect example of Zero’s power and influence, and may even be enough to say that is why the world needs Big Boss. But that’s a topic for another time.
PS Thank you for the shout out, Luffie! It was a delightful surprise and a tremendous honor!
Ooh this is a super interesting theory!! I'd never thought about these quotes in the context of Huey or that Huey could have been a sleeper agent sent by Cipher all the way back in MGS PW! My only push back to that theory is, Huey led to the destruction of MSF and I don't think Cipher wanted to destroy BB. Especially since Zero helps get Big Boss to that hospital in Cyprus where he recovered. Zero didn't get anything out of BB by destroying MSF. Or, do you think that was an accident since XOF was operating under Skull Face by that point? Do you think Huey really thought he was talking to the UN when he sent that letter to allow them to inspect the base? Or do you think Huey was secretly working for Cipher and communicating with XOF (still under the believe that XOF was an extension of Cipher when they'd already broken away)? Or do you think Huey was working directly with XOF and let them on base knowing the end game was to destroy it?
And absolutely! Thank you for adding to the conversation in such an interesting way! Your comment really got me thinking and I was happy to credit that in my vid!
@@luffiewebster these are some fascinating questions. There a lot to unpack here, so let's begin. We know that Zero is willing to destroy MSF because that was part of the ultimatum he had Paz issue BB when she hijacked Zeke. That being said, I agree with you, it's unlikely that that's what Zero wants to do. So what does Zero want? This question is answered by Eva in MGS4. Ever since BB's departure from the Patriots, Zero wanted BB to return. Think of the Patriots as a body, incomplete without BB. The Phantom Pain is Zero's pain. He wants the Patriots to be complete again and he will not lose any sleep over destroying MSF in order to achieve that.
Now, to address the other issues, it really depends on how real you believe GZ was. In my personal head-canon, GZ is a simulation experienced by Venom and none of it actually took place. I believe that the UN inspection was a ruse, that Huey knew it was XOF and his orders were to let them in, and for his cooperation he would be spared.
There's more to my theory, but that's where I'll leave it for now.
I wanted to trust Huey early on, however the amount of lies that he told and contradictions in his behaviour meant he just was not good news. In the beginning I just viewed him as another Octacon. But he's really nothing like Hal at all.
When I get to the idea of judging the case of Huey, I always see two big perspectives, a moral judgment, and MSF/Diamond Dogs judgment.
What is interesting morally, is that, well, Huey isn't much worse than the rest of Diamond Dogs, he worked in weapon development with a direct negative impact on the world multiple time and with knowledge of the implications, worked willingly for the biggest PMC in the world, literally murdered his wife and abused his son for his experiments, and managed to die in one of the most pathetic way a parent can die.
But it's on par with the rest of the crew; Diamond Dogs is a private military company, leaded, and mostly composed by experienced soldiers that all have at least some experience in the horror and corrupting nature of warfare. They live on an offshore plant, being their own state in a way, where their own rules and laws applie. Have as a job violence, and murder, and posses nuclear weapons.
Nobody in this story is "morally good", it's too late for that, we're already in Outer Heaven, no better than Huey, probably worse than him if you try to make a score or an actual judiciary case.
Now, from the point of view in game, as "Diamond Dogs", the man likely betrayed us (really have a hard time believing that a paraplegic scientist can just flee a sinking offshore platform with the gunfights happening on it without help, and I have yet to hear anything about MSF staff helping him) may have had more understandable reasons, but his really insconsistent lying, desperate to get out of suspicion doesn't work in his favor, (a point for the "truth serum" and Ocelot torture not leading to anything more conclusive), maybe he's so lost in all his lies, trauma, and likely self-hate (exhibit: is death as described in MGS2) that he has forgotten, or uninternalized the actual occurence of events?
That would be already enough to put him under questioning, but there is some leeway to his case as long as we are not at least reasonably certain of what actually happened to Huey in the Mother Base attack, what breaks the deal is Strangelove of course. So, that pathetic joke of a scientist (this is where I loose all respect for him), after finally romancing the actual scientist that didn't seem that much interested in him during almost the entirity of Peace Walker, get a child with her, try to use that child for scientific research of weapon technology, she disagree (as any sane parent would), so he lock her in a sealed box instead of accepting to lose an argument, he, for whatever fu-*.ng reason, does not re-open it, and she dies of asphyxia.
You can argue the details, but there isn't much informationg that makes you think of any better course of events without going to wild theories I think, that one part of the case against Huey has all the proof necessary to be "reasonably certain", seeing Strangelove was part of MSF for a time, and what are the shared values of MSF & DD (Loyalty, and ffs, "don't draw weapon on comrades"), pretty certain it would be reasonable for it to deserve the most severe punishments from DD perspective, not only did he murder one of MSF, one of his own, "our" own, the drama of him going as far as gaining her romance while she was not open for it initially would probably play a worsening part in an unprofessional judiciary system like Diamond Dogs.
If it were up to me? I would vote exile, I never choose the murder option, too "pacifist" for it, but this """scientist""" don't stay on my mother-base.
Subtility is, at this point, I hate him enough that I would not care if he's killed, as in if I was Big Boss, I would propose exile, but I would have bowed to the demands of the DD staff and he would have ended on death row.
The canon event is exile, and the result is him being a bad parent till the end, and then trying to take himself out (with his infant daughter, he was really a terrible father), probably due to tremendous guilt, wich is... A terrible outcome for his kids, both Hal and Emma (and Emma's mother), but all this trauma leads to Hal being at right place at the right time and giving the timeline we know of today, maybe other outcomes would have been better for his family, probably Emma dies older with those outcomes, but it's probably the only outcome where Hal brings that much good in the world as Otacon, one that could almost redeem his father sins... And I mean, with any other outcome, MGS2 cannot occur, and do you want to live in a world without MGS2? I tought not, exile it is then, for the meta answer!
I went into a too long fan rant not adding much to the conversation right?
I like Huey. He’s my favorite rat bastard.
The only thing I like about Huey is his voice it’s sound so smart .
Naaa he said wasnt their to see until she was in their then-said skull face did it then-said she-did it
**EVERYBODY AT HERE IS WRONG AND HUEY IS INNOCENT ( WELL HE IS NAIVE AND IGNORANT ) BUT ALSO INNOCENT**
I have to disagree on some of the parts but I liked a video that realy stops being emotional and tries to find the truth
1- Why Big Boss needs a Metal Gear ZEKE ?, if you rebember after BB and Huey met he talks about how the todays modern world peace is happening, its called the Nuukleear Deterence, both sides cannot attack each other because one side might send a nuke to other one if one of the parties attack one other, now BB and MSF needs this weapon in order to make sure they dont get wiped out by their enemies, both Americans and Russians, in order to avoid World Wars we use Nuuklear Detterence, BB did the same and Huey was right about it, he trusted big boss and he did the right choice, well also making ZEKE was supposed to make sure Coldman wont attack them either but he was too crazy to be stopped with some detterence ( he never believed people were brave enough to push the button ), the logic of detterence is ilusion, but to be honest it had to be done I dont think blaming Huey for this makes sense one way or another their enemy will have a weapon similar to them and also the first Metal Gear is Soviet made too...
2- If you rebember at MGS V Ground Zeros Skullface says "the scientist is the key" and Miller says that Dr.Strangelove left right before the day the attack happened, if she was going to be taken with Huey why did she left, there was no reason for Huey to tell her to leave, after the attack Strangelove wants the remainings of the Metal Gear and takes it with help of Amanda ( she does not thinks anything wrong about it ) if you rebember the Cassete Tape that nobody actually listened the rest of it Strangelove forces Huey to kill her but when he refuses and puts into the pod that has air ( rebembet at MGS PW ) she litteraly does something to the Pod and kills herself, if you listen the rest 9 minutes your going to realise she was obssesed with The Boss and at Peace Walker she tried to kill Big Boss many times, if you ask to me Huey was innocent but he was Naive as you said, he was talented and he thought he could change the world with this weapons but he never thought people he was working with was extremly destructive and had their own agenda, why nobody listend the dam Cassete that Strangelove shows she did something to Pod that caused the air to leave ( probably a emergency setting that was made to stop fire by making h2o leaving the pod ), he did not but Miller made it sound like that because he wanted revenge at all cost like he behaves he let Paz join them and litteraly worked for Zero and he also says "the cassete tapes again" He made SURE BIG BOSS DIDNT KNOW, he is blaming everything to Huey because he knew he is one of the reason that this attack to motherbase happened.
Heuy did put her into the pod but she soffucated herself.
We also have zero EVIDENCE about Hal using his own child for test which also makes no sense at all why in earth he uses a child to test the weapon wth was supposed kid do use a billion dollar nucklear war machine ? Its all just crap Miller made up, Miller is blinded by his own hatred
At Turkey there is a term called Algı Operasyonu means "perception operation" all the characters at the game especially at this one made this operation very well, at 1984 this term is also used in a different name, its used to play the mind of the public, making them think about a issue without any evidence or with omision of Truth which is done very well by Miller, he used the anger of the player base and the diamond dogs, Venom Snake realised this is just a execution not a court and he choosed to excile him
Huey is a beast. Always on the grind. Always looking out for Numero Uno. Balled so hard that his son rizzed up his own wife.
That right there is why you’re the best Boss The one and only.
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Huey is disgusting, but is equally disgusting to most of the MGS characters(exceptions Natasha,Mei Ling,Otacon,Sunny) and I also find his very existence to be unecessasary. But he was right where he belonged at Diamond 💎 🐩 Dogs.
💁🏿♂️”Sally” Nice touch Boss
RDR2 is an amazing game... It's actually the first game I had got on PS4...
I wish i knew greek so i could understand this video :(
I'm only 10 seconds in... Yes.
Huey sucks
I like Huey, but can't say anything in defence of him tbh.