The MCU feels very similar to Fast & Furious, Pirates of The Caribbean and the Transformers franchise, how they all pretty much had an ending (Endgame, Furious 7, At Worlds End & DOTM) and instead of letting them rest, the studio decided to milk the franchise because of how much money they made and because of it, audiences are now starting to get tired of it.
We have Doctor Strange who could be the cornerstone of this new MCU, but they have to treat him wisely. Multiverse of Madness did not treat Strange with respect and it was a Wanda movie. We needed that civil war conflict between Wanda and Doctor Strange to grow. But oops its over. Bye. So long. We wasted that already.
@@TheMovieCynic I AM STILL UPSET WE DIDNT ACTUALLY GET TO DEAL WITH STEPHENS TRAUMA. Like that was my one thing. His guilt. His trauma dying millions of times. We did get Donna, but we never got *Stephen* being human with himself. We just got his unrequited love for the second movie in a row. And I fucking love Christine, she's awesome. But Stephens trauma isn't Christine. It's his potential guilt over killing Tony Stark for the sake of the universe, dying 14mil times (not counting Dormammu). Stephen could have been a character with feelings and emotions but he's just; I love you in every universe I enjoy getting cucked uwu
@@TheMovieCynic it's what they did to her really Doctor Strange wasn't changed or have any development in MoM which is crap but he's kinda where you left him no reason why the next film can't be better, while Wanda has had some of the best development in the MCU and Olsen is an excellent actor Wanda Vision IMO is the best TV series they've done and developed her further, Doctor Strange happens and suddenly it's "oh I'm evil now" murder murder murder completely bit like Game of thrones, they needed a bigger set up to that
@@flemit35 I recently watched a video detailing different scripts for the movie and it had a much slower burn for Wanda turning but if we do a slower burn then we might bore our audience so nah can't do that gotta have the action right away.
@@JeromeSankara might have needed a film or another TV series to set up I think, Doctor Strange discovering the Multiverse (after investigating it due to the events of Spiderman) battling himself with more substantial versions of other MCU characters would have made a better film
The issue now is the writing. Back with iron man 1, you at least had a team invested in creating a compelling character with a thoughtful arc. Now they are more concerned with agenda and building up new, mostly female characters, by using them to tear down the greats we grew to love. This instead alienates the new characters they want us to love and then they criticize us for not immediatly loving them.
@spidey_slayer_69 So is it equality or power that’s being sought with that mentality? Is it “we’re all equal” or is it “my turn to be that which I despised”?
I think Captain Marvel was supposed to be the centrepiece character, but they horribly miscast Brie Larson and don’t have a plan b. The most senior character is probably Dr Strange, so maybe him?
@@flemit35 yep, dont think Brie Larson is the problem, more like shitty rushed writing as marvel struggled to make its response to DC's wonderwoman. Very unfortunate, I think if they spent real time and energy on Captain Marvel she could've been the new Iron Man but now its just terrible lol
good character and well casted, but black panther was only even in 3 films if Im not forgetting any so he doesn't really have the screen presence needed. it should have been thor if they didn't butcher him, he has been in 7 films I think and has been around much longer
Actually, Doctor Doom as the new anchor sounds like a good idea. If secret wars is held on battle world, then technically everyone will end up there anyways and that completes the multiversal saga. Interesting to use the villain instead of the hero. But Disney won’t be that risky.
people just hate on phase 4 because the internet tells them to. This guy made a video asking who the new iron man is, and majority of people commenting and the creator of this video don't understand that was established right after end game. Spiderman far from home establishes Spiderman is the successor to Iron Man, and that's what Iron Man was grooming peter for But hey, people need content
And if you see Peter Parker/Spider Man as the new "Tony Stark/Iron Man" after NWH, you must have a special perception of things lmao. Even Kevin Feige himself stated that Spider Man will be up to street level threats during this saga (and after that NWH ending, yea it makes sense), and plus his character still has a lot to go through
@@king_vision4085 you can put this comment how many times you want. People hate new MCU because it sucks and it ruins old characters (wink on She Hulk even though Hulk was ruined even before)
I feel like they're trying to introduce a "new Tony Stark" with all of these new characters by making them witty and whatnot, but the problem is that it doesn't work. Tony Stark could be witty and arrogant because he was a billionaire playboy philanthropist with one hell of an ego, but over time, his ego began to soften while still remaining outwardly the same. If there was a problem he had to overcome he'd sit down, study, research, experiment, fail, then get back up and give it another go. But many of these new characters seem to skip all that and remain the "witty, sarcastic, strong and independent character". If they fail it's the fault of the other, if they win, it just strokes that ego, and all their ego and confidence only stems from them being "strong". Virtually nothing about them softens and they don't learn anything that sticks with them throughout their future appearances, only how to control their power or something but then master almost immediately. I also want to throw out that all of the new characters being introduced are the archetypal "strong independent woman", the only male characters are sidelines mentors and Spider-Man, whom everyone in the world forgot. I wouldn't have any problem with a mostly female team, but the only main problem there really other than what hasn't already been said, is that once they all come together, it's essentially a group of people with the exact same personality. In the first Avengers, everyone was different. Tony was still a little egotistical and rude, Steve was a bit self-righteous, Bruce was anxious and paranoid, Hulk was out of control, Thor was pretty belittling, and Clint and Natasha could only rely on each other and were too formal with the others, and all of them were forced into a room together. But as they worked together all their flaws and preconceptions began to dissipate. While they still had a few fights, they only ever got serious when it came to very personal things, but ultimately they began to be friends and started working together with any new additions to the team while still maintaining similar chemistry they had with their old teammates. Their difference in strength didn't matter in their dynamic, it was their difference in character and principles. Now that each of these new additions are a cardboard cut-out of the last one, their personalities are simply too similar to garner interest yet create friction for an appreciable dynamic. It's like that one scene from Rick & Morty where Jerry clones himself and some of the clothes are actually trying to solve a problem, while the other more egotistical clones are too focused on themselves to actually do something meaningful. The fact that only Dr. Strange and Bruce are sort of part of the team yet they're not even allowed to be decent mentors to their successors by the writers, and Spider-Man has been forgotten about by everyone, and most of the other older members are more of a B-team group who we have no idea what they've been up to since or are just doing their own thing, Thor is being Thor, I don't really have high hopes for the next Avengers. Other than a new Spider-Man movie, I'd say the only film that I know of that would make for a passable watch would be the next Shang-Chi movie, simply because seeing the students of Wong and Strange interact might be funny. Or if they decided to make a whole new movie with Infinity Ultron without plot armor, because Infinity Ultron was badass.
My friend summed up the current MCU so well in one sentence, “who the hell goes to see Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness because they care about Doctor Strange as a character?”
That's nothing new though, I didnt and still don't care about Ant-Man, The Guardians, Black Panther, and Tom Holland Spiderman, but I still watched their movies to know what was happening overall
@@mustang8206 But the difference now is that literally no one is as invested in the current saga as they were back then. There is zero clear story arch happening over the movies and shows. During those movies you saw, you know what it was leading to. Nobody is as invested now as they were leading up to Infinity War and Endgame
Iron Man is the best Avenger all around. Always will be. Just getting that snarky humor and the satisfying suit-up scenes was already such a formidable and feel-good baseline of every movie.
This is spot on. The writing has been pretty bad since Endgame. I didn't hate Hawkeye or Ms. Marvel. Moonknight wasn't awful... Thor straight up sucked and Multiverse of Madness was just a huge disappointment, but I've been able to find some enjoyment from them at least. Certainly not compared to what came before them, but I had to throw in the towel with She-Hulk. It's the worst show I've ever watched personally. Agenda > Story. Looking at who we have going forward it's really hard to imagine anyone replacing the original magic that RDJ and Evans brought to the table. If they'd give the women some actual adversity and a compelling story arc that doesn't just center around their opposition to the men around them it'd be great, but that just hasn't been the case so far. I've seen everything Marvel has put out so far, but unless they pull back the agenda some and get back to actual storytelling, I might have to dip out.
Loki was the first MCU anything that I just didn't finish watching. I knew exactly what it was going to do with Loki, I knew exactly what the "mystery Loki" was, and I knew exactly how it was all gonna be handled. I wasn't interested. I'm still interested in finishing Moon Knight after looking forward to it so much, but based on what I've heard about the finale, a lot of interest went out the window. "Are you an Egyption superhero?" "I am." Cringe... I didn't even bother with Ms. Marvel, a character who has potential to be good, but a character that never will be so long as it insists on a dishonest, sitcom caricature of being a child of "traditional" Pakistani Muslim immigrants to America. She-Hulk is just outright cringe for a plethora of reasons. Shang-Chi was pretty good, Spider-Man: No Way Home was way better than it had any right to be, and Hawkeye was better than I expected. I didn't like that Kate Bishop was the POV character and not Clint Barton, but I appreciated that it didn't disrespect Hawkeye as a character and that they managed to make Kate Bishop into a likable human being. Falcon & the Winter Soldier was mostly fun, but the writers/showrunner didn't have the intelligence to handle these weighty themes with any degree of nuance, skill or tact, and you can definitely tell they cut things out of the story (the manufactured pandemic storyline that was supposed to happen would've been cool and uncoincidentally rather evergreen). Lot of potential and passingly entertaining, but half-baked with weak writing and direction where it desperately needed the exact opposite. What If was radically inconsistent, but all in all, it was solid with the exception of maybe one or two episodes. The Dr. Strange episode is easily the best thing out of Phase 4. Wandavision was really great, but I describe it like a beautiful gymnast that does an incredibly well-performed routine until right at the very end when she face plants or breaks an ankle. All in all, it all comes down to weak, inexperienced and agendas driven writing and direction, where too many of them are just people who want to parasitize off of the franchise's popularity for their own interests and ambitions, they don't care anything about and have little interest in learning about the material they're actually adapting, and I bet they resent the fact that they have to lower themselves to doing cape stories in order to get their voice out there, on top of resenting the fact that a lot of them are diversity hires whose work gets scrutinized by actual fans who have a modicum if expectations for the adaptations they clearly don't care about honoring.
@@Tyler_W loki was actually better then other shows .. if you don't wanna watch just bcz theirs a female protagonist. You are an idiot. Lady Loki is a character that has real human emotions and motivation . But the show doesn't take away the main focus of the show. That is loki (Tom) what the show does is actually pretty cool and gives us more perspective of him which makes him even better character then he was before. ...... If you watched moonknight ep6 Godzilla vs kong fight and enjoy it then theirs really nothing I can do. Cz u seem to really hate female perspective.
Up until No Way Home, I thought that they're planning for Dr. Strange to fill the void. Him not being the Sorcerer Supreme is actually a good thing since it allows him to do more heroic stuff while Wong being Sorcerer Supreme deal with the more global scale (or should I say, multiversal). Kind of like how Tony and Steve is the figurehead of The Avengers but Nick Fury as the Director of SHIELD is the one that tie them all together. It also fit the theme, as the MCU when Tony at the lead is more on the technological side and now moving to the mystical side of things, Strange is just fit for the role. But yeah, they screw that up with Multiverse of Madness (I like the movie, but they really butchered Dr. Strange character there). They still can fix it, but it won't be easy. Tom Holland Spider-Man wouldn't really work as a primary figurehead. Aside from the obvious Sony problem, I can't see him standing equally with the likes of Dr.Strange, Thor and Captain Marvel. Tony meanwhile always had an equal footing with Captain America and Thor. In Universe, not popularity as Spider-Man is obviously the most popular Marvel character. Thor could work if it was Infinity War Thor, current Thor is a joke and I don't think they'll turn the character around anytime soon. I love Ragnarok & IW Thor, there he have a good balance of joke and badassery while LaT just makes him really dumb (Jane was really good tho-). Same for The Hulk but he's already being butchered far back (Not that he's ever have any potency as main character anyway). Black Panther as you said would make for a great Captain America replacement, but we all know what happened. Captain Marvel actually would make a good second lead. An opposition to character like Dr.Strange. Instead of a good-natured character like Steve Rogers we get someone who is more antagonistic. It'll make an interesting dynamic. However Marvel desperately need to develop her character first. All in all, Its also interesting to see a Villain like Doom fill such role. I just don't really know how that will work exactly.
Honestly, after Endgame I was seriously hoping they'd lean into Spider-man knowing he had to help establish the next wave of heroes. He had the pressures of being the next Iron Man, and didn't want to - so why not have him help ease in the new Avengers because like Tony he realized the earth was defenseless and needed a team. I thought this wave was meant to introduce the Young Avengers, i.e. Wandavision with Billy and Tommy - Loki with Young Loki - IronHeart (because it was going to happen) - Hawkeye to Kate Bishop - the then unnamed Hulk related media with Hulking, Ms. Marvel (it's in the title) - and America Chavez somewhere somehow. So I was confused when we went full blown multiverse so fast while simultaneously being introduced to these other other characters (such as the Eternals, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Morbius). The issue is as you said, the direction of everything just seems without focus. If they had wanted us to love any newcomers, then why not built upon a team that some audiences were already familiar enough with and make them better. We could have had a core team similar to the dynamics of the Teen Titans, beloved and all but different enough as to be their own thing outside of our "Justice League" figures (Phase 4). By Phase 5 we could have then had them meet with other heroes from throughout the multiverse (their stories established through their own solo films or shows). That way you can still have your Moon Knight, your Shang Chi, and anyone else - but we could experience this ride through the eventual meet-ups with our established team (which was the essence of everything leading to Infinity War). And if not the Young Avengers, then okay - whomever, just pick a focal point before we start jumping into these huge cosmic events because without an anchor the ship is risking being pulled out to sea and no one wants that.
Oh, and can we for the love of Marvel let these new heroes earn their own mantles? I don't want Hulkling shitting on Hulk, or Kate besting Hawkeye 'cause of girlpower, or Billy belittling Wanda 'cause of boypower either. Respect the legacy characters. Give us the hero's journey for every new member else forget it.
As someone who's enjoying Phase 4, you're right. We have yet to have our RDJ, our Iron Man, our central point. Hopefully Reed or Wolverine, but we're missing Iron Man for a reason.
Even the addition of the fantastic Four is going to be weird, because while 10 years ago it would have been amazing to see Reed Richards and Tony Stark on screen together, by the time 2024 comes around it might just be like, Reed Richards hanging out with Moon Knight and the Guardians of the Galaxy. You can't celebrate bringing characters to a new interconnected universe if the new Universe is already kind of falling apart.
@@amicandapulse Ah man woulda loved Tony-Reed interaction. At least we'll have Reed-Spidey interaction. But yeah I definitely see and respect your point.
I was thinking about this a couple times and honestly you hit the nail in the head, you’re completely right. This really is the biggest problem with the universe rn. They need that main character. Honestly I think Doctor Strange could work and there’s even rumors that he’ll be the one to make the big sacrifice in Secret Wars. They can definitely do it again, it’s just about finding the right character and actor. Mr Fantastic, Wolverine, Black Panther if Chadwick didn’t pass, FUCKING DOCTOR DOOM I loved that you gave him a shout-out that’s a great idea that would be different and definitely bring in fresh life to the universe, and audiences have shown that they dig that, look at Thanos. People wanted him to win! I loved the video too bro the editing and the humor was great keep it up you earned a sub
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the vid. Doom is my personal pick for the new lead character if I had a say, and you’re right-we all appreciated Thanos. Doctor Doom could definitely work.
"Honestly I think Doctor Strange could work and there’s even rumors that he’ll be the one to make the big sacrifice in Secret Wars." Fuck, I really, really HATE this kind of meta forecasting bullshit. I bet when they focus group the ending of these movies based on social media comments like this that everybody will think they're smart for spreading random rumours about what's become a bait IP.
God I miss Tony Stark, that character inspired me to try and create a crappy AI just to feel like a badass genius, and I was able to make a somewhat functional one aswell! He was an inspiration, seeing him struggle to survive in the desert in the first ironman and work his way up by constantly one upping himself to the point where he was able to fight a titan with the infinity gauntlet somehow felt believable even in this sea of superpowered individuals, and he gave me some hope that one day I might be able to accomplish something truly extraordinary
I really think they should’ve made the Spider-Man that character. He’s closely related to Tony anyways, but we now get to see him in a unique situation for this universe, where he’s all alone. And instead of being iron boy jr he’s Spider-Man. The brand is hype enough, and the stories you could tell with Spider-Man are so out there. Big L on Marvels part
The issues are numerous, like you said there's a serious lack of respect for the craft of writing scripts, and they value pushing agendas far more than storytelling. But they're also hiring writers and directors that have no respect for the prior characters or films. This phase it seems like an intentional choice to tear down previous heroes in order to make the new ones look better. I definitely agree that they've spread themselves too thin, but there's also a sense of apathy from Marvel studios in terms of keeping their universe consistent, and I think it's because they feel they've gotten to big to fail, and they can just phone it in now. All of this phase has been laden with comments from writers and directors that should honestly have been embarrassing to the studio, but they don't seem to care
I have been thinking about this for a while now and I honestly think that Spider Man should be the next Iron man. I mean like No way home sent him back to his roots and that would've been the perfect opportunity to build up from there towards Secret wars. It would've been the perfect opportunity to do so.
He certainly is suffering enough, something I feel is critical for a backbone character to go through. That was the beauty of Phases 1-3 - these heroes were all forged through pain and experience. Characters like She Hulk and Captain Marvel haven’t - or, if they have, Marvel hasn’t shown us. It’s like all of their origin story happens off screen so we can’t relate or care.
I agree that Strange SHOULD have been the anchor. He is the most like Tony Stark, but they simply put haven't done enough with him to make it work. I know they intended to use him in Wandavision, but cut him because apparently they didn't like the narrative of a guy coming in to fix a problem Wanda created - but ironically, it might have helped bridge Wandavision to Multiverse of Madness and helped this issue, considering he's in Far From Home as well. I think if you were to watch the films themselves, this issue might not have been as bad, but with the TV shows, it's just broadening the world, making it feel less cohesive. I think the TV Shows are a big problem generally tbh.
I always wish Iron Man was still here in the MCU, he’s supposed to be here for so many storylines. We don’t see Tony interact with mutants or Osborn or Reed and even Doctor Doom.
i feel like they only really went with this whole multiverse thing was just to have a reason to bring back Tobey and Andrew back into spider-man, now that’s happened they’re like fuck what do we do now 😂
They need a straight man that's not Cracking jokes every scene. These characters need different personalities that would Clash if they all came together. Having everyone have the same personality, making the same jokes, and all getting along just fine is just so boring and safe.
I think 5 things should've happened. 1) Dr. Strange should've been the focal point of the series and Wong could've been the person to represent him if they didn't want to pay for Benedict Cumberbatch cameos in everything. 2) Television Series should've introduced a cast of characters that would group up like the Defenders in Netflix (Defenders might've sucked, but dammit all if Netflix didn't absolutely kill it in most of those shows). 3) For Bigger stories that are going to play in the full Cinematic Universe in a big way, they should've been far more contained Mini-Series, instead of TV-Shows. Instead of 8 to 10 episodes, they should've told a coherent, long end narrative, with a full point to launching the MCU. 4) The timeline should've been so much better. Things should've been released while they were fresh in people's minds. To create this narrative. 5) I love the representation in the films and shows, but I would've made sure that we don't nerf our prior male leads, so that the women can be strong in comparison. I would've recast T'Challa by using the Multi-verse and setting up a plot structure that has this T-Challa dying a hero's death at the beginning of his movie, working with Dr. Strange to a close a dimensional riff, and a new T'Challa forms, and made the story around them coming to terms, figuring out if they can trust him. Where he still has a familial connection to all of them, they don't know him. But when he saves them from Namor, they come to respect him as king, and Shuri says, I still will not call you Brother, but I will call you friend. And he accepts that. Here's how my vision of the MCU would've gone. Loki Miniseries, where the focus becomes who is really in control of this timeline magistrate, and his other selves, all having gone through their redemption arcs (besides him), turn out to be hunted, because each for some reason or another escaped their timelines set out by the director of the timeline magistrate. Pretty much I would've trimmed episodes 3 and 4 and made it 5 episode show and kept Loki at the center of it. Enter Spiderman: No Way Home as a consequence of all the multi-verses being formed, when the spell goes awry, and things happen, a special book has rewritten itself to alert of the multi-verse, and then the movie plays out exactly the same. Shang-Chi could've hinted at some multi-versal pull from the rings, causing his father to share life and power with all that use the rings in other dimensions (thus preparing a McGuffin hunt as the MCU moves forward). I really enjoyed Shan-Chi and think it failed because of Covid more than quality (it could've probably honed in on the plot more, strengthened the reason for the father wanting stuff, and like I said, let us see that the creation of a multi-verse has affected our timeline in which these secret organizations now formed, and stuff like that). We get cameo from Wong at the end. Wanda/Vision, the rise of the Scarlett Witch. Here we could've learned Dr. Strange was no longer sorcerer supreme, and wasn't strong enough to stop Wanda at the height of her mental breakdown. But it's made clear she's the villain. There are some things I think could've been done a little different, but again, I think the show was strong, if they didn't try to make her a victim, or make it like she sacrificed anything. Realizing she can't control her magic, she turns herself over to Dr. Strange, who locks her in a magic prison. Eternals should've been a Mini-Series that turns into a movie in Phase 5. They could've explored all the plot points and stories over 6 hours, introduced us to a new Big Bad, eliminated all the unnecessary characters, and left us with a small group that could eventually help out in future shows. Thor Love and Thunder: In search of a cure for her cancer, Jane Foster is called by Mjolnir through Loki reaching through a void, thinking that he could contact his brother. The shattered Mjolnir however causes Jane to fall through the multiverse, risking an incursion, he finds another way to pull Thor into the timeline. They end up in the chambers of the Gods outside of all time, as they have all retreated from Gorr, but their actions and travel will have alerted Gorr. So forth and so on. Playing up the Multi-verse completely, and the risk of Incursion on a small scale. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness: This is where the incursion of the entire multi-verse is at risk. A Kang is seeking to reembody himself with his more wicked sides in control, and if he succeeds he will be in complete power of the Multiverse. McGuffin one. And the place where we introduce the complete big bad in the first hint that we know what we're building to. Though Dr. Strange is no longer the sorcerer supreme, he manages with the help of future heroes that will come out in Phase 5 from other dimensions. He now becomes something something of the Multi-verse. Then you have something big happen in the mid credit scene, another major event on this earth, threatening Wakanda, and he appears in Shuri's lab, saying, I need your brother's help. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: At the opening we see the Black Panther and his full army, fighting some big bad multi-dimensional force trying to get the vibranium. Shuri yells for him to pull back, but he can stop the event from happening, at the heart of an energy, taking all the energy and blowing up his suit and himself. He does it. The suit evaporating, we see his face, as Wakanda is saved once more, and his body tears through the multi-verse. Now weaken without a king, Shuri tries to reassemble her brother, tries to create technology that can access the multi-verse, and a year later she pulls through someone not her brother who says he is T'Challa, king of Wakanda. He's noble, regal, just looks different, but he recognizes Shuri and his mother. His story is one of tragedy in which Wakanda was destroyed and he failed to protect her, his family killed, his people gone. He was not strong enough. They don't know if they can trust him, but Namor, the man who in his world destroyed Wakanda, now comes to Wakandan soil once more. And it's his chance at protecting his country, whether they want him to or not. At the end, they come to trust this new T'Challa, and respect him, but he takes the mantle of black panther, but gives Shuri the mantle of Queen, as this is not his land. But he promises to be the protector of Wakanda, a servant of its shores (not yet ready or prepared to take the mantle of king for his failures in his own dimension... they don't get a risk of incursion because her brother's being went through the dimensional rift. For T.V Series. Falcon and the Winter Soldier could've set up a television team of American protectors, and people trying to destabilize the country. Ms. Marvel, American Chavez (could've been a way to link the tv series to the bigger stories), Female Hawkeye, She-Hulk, and (I would've chosen another young person story instead of Moon Knight... maybe have used Iron Heart). Female Hawkeye could've set up she-hulk, with Kingpin going to California, and attempting to assassinate Jen, and then Hulk making the painful decision to save her. Now we have a world big bad and we have Kingpin hire Titania to defend against She-Hulk, and Daredevil can then be reintroduced as he tracked Kingpin down. American Chavez could've had her story told with Dr. Strange in the background and with Wong. Moon Knight had his story, but find someway to connect it to American Chavez or to Ms. Marvel. And then start talking about a Young Avengers, led by Falcon and Winter Soldier, who, not for nothing, are the group that defeat Kang the Conqueror in the comic books. There were so many opportunities in these franchises and in how they were expanding that was just destroyed by Hubris, Greed, and the need for quantity over quality.
Seeing Doctor Strange get sidelined in his own sequel was heartbreaking for someone who was a big fan of him. I was looking forward to seeing them flesh Doctor Strange out into the new heart of the MCU but they completely fumbled the plot and his characterization. Now nobody even cares about Multiverse or Madness. Even the Wanda Stans have seemed to move on from it.
I was so excited for MoM. I’m pretty sure I even mention so in my “MCU Phase Four Sucks” video how much I was looking forward to it. Maybe a little too much, because it not only crashed and burned, I made a scathing review of it. 😝
I feel like Spider-Man was supposed to take up that mantle from Tony, but they didn’t really do it correctly. Other than seeing 2 more solo movies since endgame, we haven’t seen as much Spider-Man as we would need to even call him the new “centerpiece character”. Now part of this is Sonys fault, because apparently Spider-Man was supposed to appear in falcon and the winter solider and she-hulk, but was rejected by Sony to do so, but again, Marvel is still to blame for trying to make their centerpiece character so hard to put into a ton of projects.
It's the Multiverse Saga, Strange could have been the center player of this one and connect every new players together but it seem like they held him back for some reason and using Wong instead and Wong doesn't seem anything damn thing aside from appear then and there.
Look at the arrowverse. It’s very name includes the person that helped it even exist. The mcu was essentially the ironverse, without ironman, it just doesn’t have that magic anymore
The only one who could have done it was Dr strange. They seemed to be seeing this up by having them established as two geniuses fighting,but then dropped it. He's also well placed to support the whole muktiverse angle.
i am kind of glad Stan Lee isn't around to see all the atrocities coming out of phase 4. just think about it: all his heroes, characters and even villians were birthed from his soul. and then in 2022, THIS is what a company is doing with his passion and life's work.
I echo what others have said: it is the writing. The example I point to is Thor. Look at Thor in Avengers Infinity War versus what we are given now in Love and Thunder. Whether you as a viewer enjoyed Love and Thunder or not you can't deny that Thor is no longer the character we saw in Infinity War. The other issue is quality and quantity of content, there is too much and it is being done to push the D+ subscription service.
Kang. Kang will be the one. Villain or not, he has the most potential to hold the whole universe together. I know some say his introduction was mid at best and full of just exposition…but I genuinely think from the glimpse we got from Jonathan Majors, his charisma, his versatility and the fact he can appear in soooo many different variants of himself…if anyones to hold it down for all roads leading back to him….in my opinion…it’s Kang
We'll see, but seeing real life interviews with him... I wasn't sold on the versatility. He seemed to behave precisely how the character was in the episode.
My biggest issue with these new actors (products more like it) and shows/movies is that it feels so uprooted and disjointed from what the original idea was. They don't sell you on a character or draw you into the universe like phase 1 which felt so grounded and is in part to the writers but just the performances. Rdj was on his A-game every single movie even if it wasn't the best movie he was in. Charlie cox showed that we can have good TV shows which decent budget so long as the writing was there the actor could also be there. I've simply lost most of hope at it being able to recapture that excitement and the last movie to do that for me was no way home but only due to the phenomenonal actors as the villains/hero.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but I'm among the camp of those that wasn't very impressed with No Way Home. I think for void of the nostalgia, the writing is mediocre at best. I'm quite disappointed with the MCU.
Robert Downey Jr is as synonymous with Iron man as Johny Depp is as Captain Jack Sparrow. You can NEVER recast the character with a different actor because of this.
Robert Downing Jr. played Ironman the way I wanted to see an actor play Batman, as two different characters. Tony Dtark was a funny charismatic person, while Ironman was a serious no shit taking hero. They were like night and day. What we git from Batman was one person playing the role of one person. Even when Bruce Wayne put on his suit as Batman he was still Bruce Wayne. I know you're talking about Marvel but I'm moving on. The DCEU has never been successful as Marvel so they have room to move. Marvel's ceiling is too high to reach for itself to even replicate qhat they did in the past. So with the DCEU Batman should be the character to center the Universe around but in my opinion both Wonder Woman and Supeeman can be written to share that attention. If they had good writers.
I've been collecting comics since 1980, and been a fan of Marvel for almost 50 years. I topped collecting anything really new in 1996, although I do keep up to date somewhat And up to the end of Phase 3, I was so excited for every movie that came along, with the ending of the Infinity War Saga. I cried in theatres for both parts, was so immersed in each film, that I yelled NO at the screen for the first time in my life when iron Man got stabbed by Thanos. And now with Phase 4, and that last shit show we call Thor Love and Thunder, which is the first marvel movie I actually hated. I don't care about these new characters anymore. Bringing in some characters that have been around, what 9 years now (Ms. Marvel) they don't have the fan base and the longevity of the old school characters that for the last 3 phases, which have a history dating back to the 60's. That's why there was an older crowd in a lot of these movies, they grew up with these characters. Now, its just Meh. While I will keep watching because I need to see what happening for some awesome end phase like Infinity War, which I doubt. I used to buy every Marvel mov ie on Blu Ray to rewatch. Now, ever since Infinity War, I haven't bought one, because I don't want to rewatch what is happening now
Hollywood is filled with handsome, talented, charismatic leading men and women. That the MCU cannot find another one seems to be a sign of ineptitude, and not a lack of a replacement for RDJ.
A handful that I’ve reviewed were very good: “the black phone”, “everything everywhere all at once”, “Top Gun: maverick”, “Sonic 2”. The movie “X” was a wild ride if you’re a horror fan, “The Northman” was also pretty great, “Tick Tick Boom”, “Nobody”… there was a lot of quality cinema for the past year and a half.
@@TheMovieCynic Thanks for the Incredible Lists 🤗. I am gonna watch em all soon. I gonna watch Top Gun: Maverick this week and I do like horror movies so gonna watch "X" this week only. I haven't been to theaters so often as I used to since Covid happened. I wanna return to theaters to a Blockbuster movie. I missed Top Gun: Maverick and The Batman in theaters. Should have watch em in theaters.
@@pranitvarma it might not be "cinema" but I thought bullet train was a pretty good comedy action packed movie. other than that the batman and black phone was my tops for this year.
I am a DC fan. But I watched the MCU for IronMan. After Endgame the MCU ended for me. I told that to some of the cool MCU fans. They said who cares about Ironman ,we have so many other characters. Here we are.
@@RyckiTroll Shang-Chi had a decent script. I’d say better than the rest of phase 4 (other than maybe No Way Home). Wenwu was a great villain, and Awkwafina didn’t annoy me, so I call it at least ok. Not great, but still solid
I would say someone out of the guardians since they're one of the few characters I (and I imagine many people who loved the first 3 phases as much as I did) still seem to care about but guardians 3 will probably be the last movie for all those characters. Charlie Cox as Daredevil is another candidate as people who've seen the netflix show love the character and his portrayal, but I can think of no way daredevil can fit into all the multiversal multidimensional story arcs (I'm not a comic reader so I don't know if something like that happens in the comics though).
If they were able to find another Downey, Jr., it wouldn't work because the writers are diversity hires, not creative, talented people. I really enjoyed Marvel for a decade (give or take) but I'm completely out from now on. My biggest fear is Disney buys up more studios and we just have no good films anymore. It would all be propaganda. For China.
We are sadly in an era where they feel more compelled to IN EVERY FRANCHISE to Schiff on their fanbase. What does this accomplish? What good did it do to insult the fans in She-Hulk? What good did it do to take the one actor the fans wanted to play Reed Richards then kill him on screen out of spite to the fans? What good is mocking what made the experiment work?
Yes and no. Yes it does suck. No - the usual fanboy cry we need to go back and tell the same story over again is wrong. Just need better writing specifically - stories, character and plot, with more respect for continuity and a clear vision of future destination. The current writers just aren't that good, or in the case of Taika Waititi - they are using too much cocaine and $crewing too many actresses and have lost focus on making good films.
In all of marvel Downey's character always made me look forward for Marvel's future, I always wondered what the Stark might be up to as he felt the centre of everything. Now it feels complete hotch potch with noone being the big main. Doctor Strange should've been the one for it but no today you can't have that.
Great video, came over from Lewis' recommendation after watching his video and I really think you guys hit the nail on the head with the problem with Phase 4. There's no foundational story that has been setup like there was with Phase 1 and the Infinity Saga overall. Even if rumors of the Doom reveal at the end of Wakanda Forever pan out, there's nothing connecting Moonknight to Shang Chi to the Eternals to She-Hulk. It just a bunch of stuff thrown in to get mixed in a blender. I'm happy to eat my words if by the time we get to the end of Phase 6 in 2026 or so but I don't see that happening.
I kind of agree with you. I think they need someone like Stark in that he's iconic, one of the true leads (you can argue he's more popular than Cap), and ties everything together. However, I would argue that the MCU's problem is that they're trying too hard to fill his shoes right now. They make every superhero a jokester to see if any one of them will catch fire like Iron Man. Unfortunately all that's given me is a headache. That said, it should've easily been Strange or Thor to lead Phase 4 on out. Both are OP, both know and can travel through mediums/reality, and both are OG's that fans would love. Instead, they decided to make Strange be a background character and Thor a complete idiotic toddler. Shame.
Hopefully Reed Richards can fill the void Tony left behind. It would make a lot of sense because the fantastic four are the cornerstone and first family of the marvel universe.
To be positive about Iron Man's death, he probably would've ended up in a embarrassing movie like Thor Love & Thunder if he lived longer than End Game so he died a legend.
Captain Marvel was supposd to be the new Lead but she messed that up due to her mouth and now M-SHE U is shit out of luck and dismissable like side missions after you beat the main story lol
Nah I disagree. I think Multiverse, Loki, Wandavision, and No Way Home are more than enough to carry Phase 4. Especially as this is more of an introductory phase to lead up to the new threat which is (Spoilers for Loki) Kang-who is a multiversal threat and will probably be the ultimate villain before the Secret Wars storyline.
I could easily see Tom Holland's Peter Parker as the next lead, he could go through an arc after the events of NWH and come into his own as a leader, making Tony proud.
The problem with new mcu is that there is no evolution with characters. What will be the arc of characters ? I don’t know how those new characters could actually change. Steve changed, tony changed, hulk changed, even smaller characters like black widow and hawkeye changed. But i don’t see where the universe can go now, characters wise. There is a story that is planned but to have a good story, you need good characters. Even a meh movie can be great if it has great characters with great chemistry. I hope the mcu will get better but for now, it’s a lot of uncertainty.
when is saw shang-chi, my dumb ass thought that i would have to wait 10 years to see the end of the next saga. i guess i didnt know they were gonna do quantity over quality
In the beginning I used to rush to the theater to be among the first fans to see each new release. Now I feel there is no rush. I'll wait for these newer movies and series to air on television. If I miss any of them it is no big deal. These stories are not as interesting as they used to be. I grew up reading Marvel Comics in the 1960s and 1970s. I did not enjoy the last Spider-Man movie and I am not happy with what the MCU has done to The Hulk. I hope the next Fantastic Four movie and other upcoming Marvel productions are not trainwrecks. As the MCU gets further away from Stan Lee's source material and begins to produce their own interpretations, the greater my disinterest grows. I hate to say it but I'm beginning to think the thrill is gone.
honestly maybe it should actually be Ant-Man. i know the ant-fam tend to stay out of avenging, but after Scott rebooted the avengers in endgame, it'd make sense that he would try to gather a new version of the team but he hasn't appeared in phase 4 at all, Stark was a main character in like 50% of each of the previous phases. by that logic, Strange's higher presence in phase 4 might be the go, maybe he SHOULD lead an Avengers, he's not sorcerer supreme-ing lol
You nailed it. I loved Tony Stark, and when he was in a movie, the movie was better for it. When he died, I was shocked and I cried. And I haven't watched anything Marvel since, because it's all very mehhh.
Thor could probably be the next lead character to lead the marvel heros through phase 5 and 6 but with Chris Hemsworth's health condition, he's probably not going to be in those phases. Marvel back then, struck gold when they cast RDJ to played Iron Man. Every since then, they've been working on phases and the first three phases had the main OG's in an avengers movie and Iron Man was always 2nd in command, next to Captain America. Phase 4 seems like they're setting up multiverses so if they wanted to, they could bring back Iron Man but with another actor that can bring the same energy and chrisma that Robert brought in the first three phases. Hypthorically speaking, the actor who does happen to get chosen to play Tony Stark haves some huge shoes to fill most definetly.
I wholeheartedly agree…Honestly…the way they just turned Hull into mush they could have had him make the ultimate sacrifice and snap his finger…give him a hero send off…cause that would have been better than being She-Hulks side kick.
Here's how Disney Marvel will handle Wolverine: Put his name in the title of a movie, introduce X23 in that movie, kill him off at the end of the movie, X23 becomes the new Wolverine and cycle continues with Deadpool/Lady Deadpool.
Its obvious since the beginning...the main characters marvel like Reed Richard, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and original Ant Man went to college and university together, they were geniuses of the marvel universe and became the main Primary superheroes of Marvel...you mess them up and you destroy Marvel foundation...and thats what they did!
It’s so hard to give a determined answer on who could be the new face because there’re characters I want to see more of/think could have an interesting through line but I’m not sure people would be invested enough in them/I’m unsure what arc they could go through at this point. My first instinct is to say Rhodey. He’s one of the original side characters who up to now hasn’t received nearly enough attention as a character. He’s connected to Tony in that they were best friends, it’s someone who we are familiar with who could take on the mantle of “new face.” Except the issue is he’s been around since phase 1 and they’ve barely done anything with him. At this point I doubt there’d be enough interest to warrant him taking on the position. But also I’m unsure what arc we could put rhodey through for a through line. Bucky would be someone who could have the weight of the fallout of Endgame/Steve’s departure which from my understanding FAWS tried to do (I refused to watch that show but maybe I should go back and do so now), but the focus sounded to be more on what Sam felt. Bucky could’ve been the guy who, as Steve’s best friend, tried to continue Steve’s legacy in protecting the world, as well as working through his own demons and past. I’d say no to Bucky though because he’s not charismatic in the way Tony was, he’s more like how you placed Black Panther. I WOULD have said Dr. Strange until they assassinated him in Multiverse of Madness….need I say more. Hear me out, and not necessarily as the only figure head at the front more of a side support, but Loki. I think the decision to kill off the main timeline Loki in IW was the wrong choice. Modern Hollywood has a habit of giving a character a redemption arc/partial arc and then immediately killing them off instead of allowing us to see where that character can go from there. Loki at the end of Ragnarok seemed to have mostly turned another leaf, deciding to stay at Thor’s side presumably as an advisor. Then IW happens and they kill him off. And the reason I say all this is because CLEARLY Marvel wanted a “good” Loki to play around with that’s WHY the show exists but instead of a Loki who naturally went from egotistical asshole with a chip on his shoulder to a damaged man who loves his brother and his people despite everything he’s put them and himself through and returns home to be with them, we get a 5 minute scene of Avengers Loki watching his other self’s journey. It doesn’t hit. What they should have done was kept original Loki alive, either have him end up in space with Thor or send him to earth with Bruce to warn the avengers. The team would be forced to confront a lot of old wounds, a lot of struggles that forced them together in the first place. It also would have made sense to have someone on the team who knew Thanos well enough to strategize a better plan. My point is Loki could have made for an interesting, prominent figure in the new MCU (which again they seem to want but the screwed it up) as an ex-villain who now has to face the reality of the things he did to the people of earth, to his own people, and to the avengers team. We also could have gotten closure on Loki’s arc in regard to Thanos, let Loki fight in the final battle, let him actually prove to Thanos that he is a true son of Odin, a prince, and someone to not take lightly. IW even gave us the bit during his scene where we call back to avengers 1 when he repeats Tony’s “we have a hulk” line. Yes I know it was a callback but I kinda saw it as signifying Loki’s decision to be on the right side for once. Point here is, Loki shouldn’t have died and the Loki we have in phase 4 should have been the main timeline’s Loki. As for a villain character, we COULD have a villain as the face of the MCU in Wanda if they hadn’t butchered her arc. Wanda as a villain could have worked if they’d taken the time to build it. For one, if you want the Westview/WandaVision plot, it should have taken place in between IW and Endgame. Wanda doesn’t get dusted, she lives and still grieves vision. It could also make more sense because in that 5 year span of time, maybe she still does the end, forces the people of westview into her “game.” But she actually gets stopped by the government and taken in, imprisoned for the remainder of time. Maybe Nat and the others offer her a deal to get her out on good behavior if she agrees to help with the time heist. Maybe she agrees but screws it up all to save vision. Maybe she doesn’t mess it up but still harbors vengeance and anger and still gets her fight with Thanos, but by the end still isn’t satisfied and still wants her family back and then we can have more time to build up to the darkhold if they’re that keen on using it. Build up to Wanda’s need for power and her grief driving her. We could have had something interesting if they’d done it right. That was quite the rant on my part. If anyone made it this far, my apologies lol.
I still think Shang Chi is great, but phase four has been incredibly disappointing and it’s hard to feel excited for secret wars when it’s coming so soon, it’ll feel unearned. I think Shang chi has potential to be the new iron man, but it doesn’t look like that’s the direction they are going in
"Phase 4 doesnt have an anchor"???! Are you serious? Did you not see the scene in Dr strange 2 where america chavez asked if spiderman had webs out his ass? (seriously though they dont have anchors, they have dead weights)
The MCU feels very similar to Fast & Furious, Pirates of The Caribbean and the Transformers franchise, how they all pretty much had an ending (Endgame, Furious 7, At Worlds End & DOTM) and instead of letting them rest, the studio decided to milk the franchise because of how much money they made and because of it, audiences are now starting to get tired of it.
This is the perfect comment about franchises gone too far
I honestly enjoyed DOTM
i think you can also add star wars to the list
I didn't want to see this but buy you are correct 1000% correct
The thing about the MCU is that there’s genuinely enough material for them to be great in the long run. Shit writing us the thing letting us down.
We have Doctor Strange who could be the cornerstone of this new MCU, but they have to treat him wisely. Multiverse of Madness did not treat Strange with respect and it was a Wanda movie. We needed that civil war conflict between Wanda and Doctor Strange to grow. But oops its over. Bye. So long. We wasted that already.
Look how they massacred my boy 😔
@@TheMovieCynic I AM STILL UPSET WE DIDNT ACTUALLY GET TO DEAL WITH STEPHENS TRAUMA. Like that was my one thing. His guilt. His trauma dying millions of times. We did get Donna, but we never got *Stephen* being human with himself. We just got his unrequited love for the second movie in a row.
And I fucking love Christine, she's awesome. But Stephens trauma isn't Christine. It's his potential guilt over killing Tony Stark for the sake of the universe, dying 14mil times (not counting Dormammu). Stephen could have been a character with feelings and emotions but he's just; I love you in every universe I enjoy getting cucked uwu
@@TheMovieCynic it's what they did to her really Doctor Strange wasn't changed or have any development in MoM which is crap but he's kinda where you left him no reason why the next film can't be better, while Wanda has had some of the best development in the MCU and Olsen is an excellent actor Wanda Vision IMO is the best TV series they've done and developed her further, Doctor Strange happens and suddenly it's "oh I'm evil now" murder murder murder completely bit like Game of thrones, they needed a bigger set up to that
@@flemit35 I recently watched a video detailing different scripts for the movie and it had a much slower burn for Wanda turning but if we do a slower burn then we might bore our audience so nah can't do that gotta have the action right away.
@@JeromeSankara might have needed a film or another TV series to set up I think, Doctor Strange discovering the Multiverse (after investigating it due to the events of Spiderman) battling himself with more substantial versions of other MCU characters would have made a better film
The issue now is the writing. Back with iron man 1, you at least had a team invested in creating a compelling character with a thoughtful arc. Now they are more concerned with agenda and building up new, mostly female characters, by using them to tear down the greats we grew to love. This instead alienates the new characters they want us to love and then they criticize us for not immediatly loving them.
Spot on 👍. I’d go as far to say that they actually blame US for their failure as well!
@@GIBBO4182 I'm so tired of the "maybe manage your expectations" thing thrown at people who lob FAIR criticisms at the mcu
@@TheRibottoStudios 💯
@spidey_slayer_69 So is it equality or power that’s being sought with that mentality? Is it “we’re all equal” or is it “my turn to be that which I despised”?
Define agenda…this gets thrown around a lot but never any substance explaining what ppl mean by that.
Instead, they're trying (and failing) to make everyone as snarky as Tony.
^ facts
But without the character depth.
I think Captain Marvel was supposed to be the centrepiece character, but they horribly miscast Brie Larson and don’t have a plan b. The most senior character is probably Dr Strange, so maybe him?
Thor could be a centerp...no, wait, Waititi assassinated him
@@moonknightish yep…I actually said something similar in another comment thread! He’s a 1 trick pony, it worked with Ragnorok, but that’s it!
I don't think they miscast Brie Larson she is good in the movie, the problem is her personality out of it and some of the choices in the movie.
@@flemit35 yep, dont think Brie Larson is the problem, more like shitty rushed writing as marvel struggled to make its response to DC's wonderwoman. Very unfortunate, I think if they spent real time and energy on Captain Marvel she could've been the new Iron Man but now its just terrible lol
@@flemit35 each to their own…I’m not a fan
We already have good characters, all we need now are good writers!
Agreed. 💯💯
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The real villains 👍
My own opinion is dr strange. Question is who else?
T’Challa should have been the new backbone of the MCU but unfortunately we all lost him
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true, a key component for sure. RIP CHAD
good character and well casted, but black panther was only even in 3 films if Im not forgetting any so he doesn't really have the screen presence needed. it should have been thor if they didn't butcher him, he has been in 7 films I think and has been around much longer
*yes, tragically he’s not with us anymore, are they goin to recast him or ?????*
this is just an absurd idea
Actually, Doctor Doom as the new anchor sounds like a good idea. If secret wars is held on battle world, then technically everyone will end up there anyways and that completes the multiversal saga. Interesting to use the villain instead of the hero. But Disney won’t be that risky.
people just hate on phase 4 because the internet tells them to. This guy made a video asking who the new iron man is, and majority of people commenting and the creator of this video don't understand that was established right after end game.
Spiderman far from home establishes Spiderman is the successor to Iron Man, and that's what Iron Man was grooming peter for
But hey, people need content
"people just hate on phase 4 because the internet tells them to" ohh no shit. You must be a typical Marvel low standard fan if you think that lol
And if you see Peter Parker/Spider Man as the new "Tony Stark/Iron Man" after NWH, you must have a special perception of things lmao. Even Kevin Feige himself stated that Spider Man will be up to street level threats during this saga (and after that NWH ending, yea it makes sense), and plus his character still has a lot to go through
@@king_vision4085 why do you even think they hate new MCU in the first place?
Cuz it's straight doo doo
@@king_vision4085 you can put this comment how many times you want. People hate new MCU because it sucks and it ruins old characters (wink on She Hulk even though Hulk was ruined even before)
I feel like they're trying to introduce a "new Tony Stark" with all of these new characters by making them witty and whatnot, but the problem is that it doesn't work. Tony Stark could be witty and arrogant because he was a billionaire playboy philanthropist with one hell of an ego, but over time, his ego began to soften while still remaining outwardly the same. If there was a problem he had to overcome he'd sit down, study, research, experiment, fail, then get back up and give it another go. But many of these new characters seem to skip all that and remain the "witty, sarcastic, strong and independent character". If they fail it's the fault of the other, if they win, it just strokes that ego, and all their ego and confidence only stems from them being "strong". Virtually nothing about them softens and they don't learn anything that sticks with them throughout their future appearances, only how to control their power or something but then master almost immediately.
I also want to throw out that all of the new characters being introduced are the archetypal "strong independent woman", the only male characters are sidelines mentors and Spider-Man, whom everyone in the world forgot. I wouldn't have any problem with a mostly female team, but the only main problem there really other than what hasn't already been said, is that once they all come together, it's essentially a group of people with the exact same personality.
In the first Avengers, everyone was different. Tony was still a little egotistical and rude, Steve was a bit self-righteous, Bruce was anxious and paranoid, Hulk was out of control, Thor was pretty belittling, and Clint and Natasha could only rely on each other and were too formal with the others, and all of them were forced into a room together. But as they worked together all their flaws and preconceptions began to dissipate. While they still had a few fights, they only ever got serious when it came to very personal things, but ultimately they began to be friends and started working together with any new additions to the team while still maintaining similar chemistry they had with their old teammates. Their difference in strength didn't matter in their dynamic, it was their difference in character and principles.
Now that each of these new additions are a cardboard cut-out of the last one, their personalities are simply too similar to garner interest yet create friction for an appreciable dynamic. It's like that one scene from Rick & Morty where Jerry clones himself and some of the clothes are actually trying to solve a problem, while the other more egotistical clones are too focused on themselves to actually do something meaningful.
The fact that only Dr. Strange and Bruce are sort of part of the team yet they're not even allowed to be decent mentors to their successors by the writers, and Spider-Man has been forgotten about by everyone, and most of the other older members are more of a B-team group who we have no idea what they've been up to since or are just doing their own thing, Thor is being Thor, I don't really have high hopes for the next Avengers.
Other than a new Spider-Man movie, I'd say the only film that I know of that would make for a passable watch would be the next Shang-Chi movie, simply because seeing the students of Wong and Strange interact might be funny. Or if they decided to make a whole new movie with Infinity Ultron without plot armor, because Infinity Ultron was badass.
My friend summed up the current MCU so well in one sentence, “who the hell goes to see Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness because they care about Doctor Strange as a character?”
That's nothing new though, I didnt and still don't care about Ant-Man, The Guardians, Black Panther, and Tom Holland Spiderman, but I still watched their movies to know what was happening overall
@@mustang8206 But the difference now is that literally no one is as invested in the current saga as they were back then. There is zero clear story arch happening over the movies and shows. During those movies you saw, you know what it was leading to. Nobody is as invested now as they were leading up to Infinity War and Endgame
@@mustang8206 wow that is a lot of people you don't care about
Cap and Tony were 1a and 1b. Without either of them Marvel is completely lost.
Nah, Cap is the Cyclops character while Tony is the Wolverine to the MCU.
@@petercartman Nah Cap and Iron Man were Superman and Batman
@@mustang8206 nah iron man is superman and batman, he has good technology and rich, and have de facto superpowers
Iron Man is the best Avenger all around. Always will be. Just getting that snarky humor and the satisfying suit-up scenes was already such a formidable and feel-good baseline of every movie.
This is spot on. The writing has been pretty bad since Endgame. I didn't hate Hawkeye or Ms. Marvel. Moonknight wasn't awful... Thor straight up sucked and Multiverse of Madness was just a huge disappointment, but I've been able to find some enjoyment from them at least. Certainly not compared to what came before them, but I had to throw in the towel with She-Hulk. It's the worst show I've ever watched personally. Agenda > Story. Looking at who we have going forward it's really hard to imagine anyone replacing the original magic that RDJ and Evans brought to the table. If they'd give the women some actual adversity and a compelling story arc that doesn't just center around their opposition to the men around them it'd be great, but that just hasn't been the case so far. I've seen everything Marvel has put out so far, but unless they pull back the agenda some and get back to actual storytelling, I might have to dip out.
Loki was the first MCU anything that I just didn't finish watching. I knew exactly what it was going to do with Loki, I knew exactly what the "mystery Loki" was, and I knew exactly how it was all gonna be handled. I wasn't interested. I'm still interested in finishing Moon Knight after looking forward to it so much, but based on what I've heard about the finale, a lot of interest went out the window. "Are you an Egyption superhero?" "I am." Cringe... I didn't even bother with Ms. Marvel, a character who has potential to be good, but a character that never will be so long as it insists on a dishonest, sitcom caricature of being a child of "traditional" Pakistani Muslim immigrants to America. She-Hulk is just outright cringe for a plethora of reasons. Shang-Chi was pretty good, Spider-Man: No Way Home was way better than it had any right to be, and Hawkeye was better than I expected. I didn't like that Kate Bishop was the POV character and not Clint Barton, but I appreciated that it didn't disrespect Hawkeye as a character and that they managed to make Kate Bishop into a likable human being. Falcon & the Winter Soldier was mostly fun, but the writers/showrunner didn't have the intelligence to handle these weighty themes with any degree of nuance, skill or tact, and you can definitely tell they cut things out of the story (the manufactured pandemic storyline that was supposed to happen would've been cool and uncoincidentally rather evergreen). Lot of potential and passingly entertaining, but half-baked with weak writing and direction where it desperately needed the exact opposite. What If was radically inconsistent, but all in all, it was solid with the exception of maybe one or two episodes. The Dr. Strange episode is easily the best thing out of Phase 4. Wandavision was really great, but I describe it like a beautiful gymnast that does an incredibly well-performed routine until right at the very end when she face plants or breaks an ankle. All in all, it all comes down to weak, inexperienced and agendas driven writing and direction, where too many of them are just people who want to parasitize off of the franchise's popularity for their own interests and ambitions, they don't care anything about and have little interest in learning about the material they're actually adapting, and I bet they resent the fact that they have to lower themselves to doing cape stories in order to get their voice out there, on top of resenting the fact that a lot of them are diversity hires whose work gets scrutinized by actual fans who have a modicum if expectations for the adaptations they clearly don't care about honoring.
Pls get help
@@ManOf__Tomorrow If you could elaborate a little bit...
@@Tyler_W loki was actually better then other shows .. if you don't wanna watch just bcz theirs a female protagonist. You are an idiot.
Lady Loki is a character that has real human emotions and motivation . But the show doesn't take away the main focus of the show. That is loki (Tom) what the show does is actually pretty cool and gives us more perspective of him which makes him even better character then he was before.
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If you watched moonknight ep6 Godzilla vs kong fight and enjoy it then theirs really nothing I can do. Cz u seem to really hate female perspective.
If they fumble the bag with Fantastic Four, I'm done
Up until No Way Home, I thought that they're planning for Dr. Strange to fill the void. Him not being the Sorcerer Supreme is actually a good thing since it allows him to do more heroic stuff while Wong being Sorcerer Supreme deal with the more global scale (or should I say, multiversal). Kind of like how Tony and Steve is the figurehead of The Avengers but Nick Fury as the Director of SHIELD is the one that tie them all together. It also fit the theme, as the MCU when Tony at the lead is more on the technological side and now moving to the mystical side of things, Strange is just fit for the role. But yeah, they screw that up with Multiverse of Madness (I like the movie, but they really butchered Dr. Strange character there). They still can fix it, but it won't be easy.
Tom Holland Spider-Man wouldn't really work as a primary figurehead. Aside from the obvious Sony problem, I can't see him standing equally with the likes of Dr.Strange, Thor and Captain Marvel. Tony meanwhile always had an equal footing with Captain America and Thor. In Universe, not popularity as Spider-Man is obviously the most popular Marvel character.
Thor could work if it was Infinity War Thor, current Thor is a joke and I don't think they'll turn the character around anytime soon. I love Ragnarok & IW Thor, there he have a good balance of joke and badassery while LaT just makes him really dumb (Jane was really good tho-). Same for The Hulk but he's already being butchered far back (Not that he's ever have any potency as main character anyway).
Black Panther as you said would make for a great Captain America replacement, but we all know what happened.
Captain Marvel actually would make a good second lead. An opposition to character like Dr.Strange. Instead of a good-natured character like Steve Rogers we get someone who is more antagonistic. It'll make an interesting dynamic. However Marvel desperately need to develop her character first.
All in all, Its also interesting to see a Villain like Doom fill such role. I just don't really know how that will work exactly.
Steve Rogers too. The dynamic was amazing and lead to one of the best fights ever
Steve was my favorite 100%. We need both.
@@TheMovieCynic cultured take
We just need good characters that's all
Agreed. And good stories
And better writing, and CGI.
@@tobias9246 the cgi is fine if the movie isn't rushed
@@orkaydk9430 Nope, the CGI has looked like crap for some time now.
@@tobias9246 bc the projects have been rushed. We didn’t need 14 productions after Covid, we could’ve just gotten 3-5 projects per year like usual
I think spiderman taking the mantel couldn've been awesome. Imagine seeing spiderman lose everything and for him to turn into the greatest hero
No Way Home... killed this possibility.
Honestly, after Endgame I was seriously hoping they'd lean into Spider-man knowing he had to help establish the next wave of heroes. He had the pressures of being the next Iron Man, and didn't want to - so why not have him help ease in the new Avengers because like Tony he realized the earth was defenseless and needed a team. I thought this wave was meant to introduce the Young Avengers, i.e. Wandavision with Billy and Tommy - Loki with Young Loki - IronHeart (because it was going to happen) - Hawkeye to Kate Bishop - the then unnamed Hulk related media with Hulking, Ms. Marvel (it's in the title) - and America Chavez somewhere somehow. So I was confused when we went full blown multiverse so fast while simultaneously being introduced to these other other characters (such as the Eternals, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Morbius). The issue is as you said, the direction of everything just seems without focus. If they had wanted us to love any newcomers, then why not built upon a team that some audiences were already familiar enough with and make them better. We could have had a core team similar to the dynamics of the Teen Titans, beloved and all but different enough as to be their own thing outside of our "Justice League" figures (Phase 4). By Phase 5 we could have then had them meet with other heroes from throughout the multiverse (their stories established through their own solo films or shows). That way you can still have your Moon Knight, your Shang Chi, and anyone else - but we could experience this ride through the eventual meet-ups with our established team (which was the essence of everything leading to Infinity War). And if not the Young Avengers, then okay - whomever, just pick a focal point before we start jumping into these huge cosmic events because without an anchor the ship is risking being pulled out to sea and no one wants that.
Oh, and can we for the love of Marvel let these new heroes earn their own mantles? I don't want Hulkling shitting on Hulk, or Kate besting Hawkeye 'cause of girlpower, or Billy belittling Wanda 'cause of boypower either. Respect the legacy characters. Give us the hero's journey for every new member else forget it.
As someone who's enjoying Phase 4, you're right. We have yet to have our RDJ, our Iron Man, our central point. Hopefully Reed or Wolverine, but we're missing Iron Man for a reason.
Even the addition of the fantastic Four is going to be weird, because while 10 years ago it would have been amazing to see Reed Richards and Tony Stark on screen together, by the time 2024 comes around it might just be like, Reed Richards hanging out with Moon Knight and the Guardians of the Galaxy. You can't celebrate bringing characters to a new interconnected universe if the new Universe is already kind of falling apart.
What do you enjoy out of phase 4?
@@amicandapulse Ah man woulda loved Tony-Reed interaction. At least we'll have Reed-Spidey interaction. But yeah I definitely see and respect your point.
not trying to be an asshole, but what exactly do you like about phase 4?
@@stevenwoods5787 well there is NWH, shang chi, and moon knight
I was thinking about this a couple times and honestly you hit the nail in the head, you’re completely right. This really is the biggest problem with the universe rn. They need that main character. Honestly I think Doctor Strange could work and there’s even rumors that he’ll be the one to make the big sacrifice in Secret Wars. They can definitely do it again, it’s just about finding the right character and actor. Mr Fantastic, Wolverine, Black Panther if Chadwick didn’t pass, FUCKING DOCTOR DOOM I loved that you gave him a shout-out that’s a great idea that would be different and definitely bring in fresh life to the universe, and audiences have shown that they dig that, look at Thanos. People wanted him to win! I loved the video too bro the editing and the humor was great keep it up you earned a sub
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed the vid. Doom is my personal pick for the new lead character if I had a say, and you’re right-we all appreciated Thanos. Doctor Doom could definitely work.
@@TheMovieCynic we can hope bro 😢
"Honestly I think Doctor Strange could work and there’s even rumors that he’ll be the one to make the big sacrifice in Secret Wars."
Fuck, I really, really HATE this kind of meta forecasting bullshit. I bet when they focus group the ending of these movies based on social media comments like this that everybody will think they're smart for spreading random rumours about what's become a bait IP.
Kevin feige said a white guy will never be the lead of the mcu again.
Dr strange and Dr doom will be a great combination. :)
The irony of him saying Dr. Doom and now Doom is here And Played by RDJ
"Jesse we have find competent writers".
God I miss Tony Stark, that character inspired me to try and create a crappy AI just to feel like a badass genius, and I was able to make a somewhat functional one aswell! He was an inspiration, seeing him struggle to survive in the desert in the first ironman and work his way up by constantly one upping himself to the point where he was able to fight a titan with the infinity gauntlet somehow felt believable even in this sea of superpowered individuals, and he gave me some hope that one day I might be able to accomplish something truly extraordinary
I really think they should’ve made the Spider-Man that character. He’s closely related to Tony anyways, but we now get to see him in a unique situation for this universe, where he’s all alone. And instead of being iron boy jr he’s Spider-Man. The brand is hype enough, and the stories you could tell with Spider-Man are so out there. Big L on Marvels part
The issues are numerous, like you said there's a serious lack of respect for the craft of writing scripts, and they value pushing agendas far more than storytelling. But they're also hiring writers and directors that have no respect for the prior characters or films. This phase it seems like an intentional choice to tear down previous heroes in order to make the new ones look better.
I definitely agree that they've spread themselves too thin, but there's also a sense of apathy from Marvel studios in terms of keeping their universe consistent, and I think it's because they feel they've gotten to big to fail, and they can just phone it in now. All of this phase has been laden with comments from writers and directors that should honestly have been embarrassing to the studio, but they don't seem to care
I have been thinking about this for a while now and I honestly think that Spider Man should be the next Iron man. I mean like No way home sent him back to his roots and that would've been the perfect opportunity to build up from there towards Secret wars. It would've been the perfect opportunity to do so.
He certainly is suffering enough, something I feel is critical for a backbone character to go through. That was the beauty of Phases 1-3 - these heroes were all forged through pain and experience. Characters like She Hulk and Captain Marvel haven’t - or, if they have, Marvel hasn’t shown us. It’s like all of their origin story happens off screen so we can’t relate or care.
Would have been perfect if they had wiped everyone's memory of Peter
You absolutely nailed it in the ending where you say that we are not there for the logo. We want compelling characters!!
I agree that Strange SHOULD have been the anchor. He is the most like Tony Stark, but they simply put haven't done enough with him to make it work.
I know they intended to use him in Wandavision, but cut him because apparently they didn't like the narrative of a guy coming in to fix a problem Wanda created - but ironically, it might have helped bridge Wandavision to Multiverse of Madness and helped this issue, considering he's in Far From Home as well.
I think if you were to watch the films themselves, this issue might not have been as bad, but with the TV shows, it's just broadening the world, making it feel less cohesive. I think the TV Shows are a big problem generally tbh.
*”even though it’s trendy to hate on that movie now” damn bro YOU ARE ON POINT !! No way home rules* 👊
I always wish Iron Man was still here in the MCU, he’s supposed to be here for so many storylines. We don’t see Tony interact with mutants or Osborn or Reed and even Doctor Doom.
i feel like they only really went with this whole multiverse thing was just to have a reason to bring back Tobey and Andrew back into spider-man, now that’s happened they’re like fuck what do we do now 😂
They need a straight man that's not Cracking jokes every scene. These characters need different personalities that would Clash if they all came together. Having everyone have the same personality, making the same jokes, and all getting along just fine is just so boring and safe.
I think 5 things should've happened. 1) Dr. Strange should've been the focal point of the series and Wong could've been the person to represent him if they didn't want to pay for Benedict Cumberbatch cameos in everything.
2) Television Series should've introduced a cast of characters that would group up like the Defenders in Netflix (Defenders might've sucked, but dammit all if Netflix didn't absolutely kill it in most of those shows).
3) For Bigger stories that are going to play in the full Cinematic Universe in a big way, they should've been far more contained Mini-Series, instead of TV-Shows. Instead of 8 to 10 episodes, they should've told a coherent, long end narrative, with a full point to launching the MCU.
4) The timeline should've been so much better. Things should've been released while they were fresh in people's minds. To create this narrative.
5) I love the representation in the films and shows, but I would've made sure that we don't nerf our prior male leads, so that the women can be strong in comparison. I would've recast T'Challa by using the Multi-verse and setting up a plot structure that has this T-Challa dying a hero's death at the beginning of his movie, working with Dr. Strange to a close a dimensional riff, and a new T'Challa forms, and made the story around them coming to terms, figuring out if they can trust him. Where he still has a familial connection to all of them, they don't know him. But when he saves them from Namor, they come to respect him as king, and Shuri says, I still will not call you Brother, but I will call you friend. And he accepts that.
Here's how my vision of the MCU would've gone.
Loki Miniseries, where the focus becomes who is really in control of this timeline magistrate, and his other selves, all having gone through their redemption arcs (besides him), turn out to be hunted, because each for some reason or another escaped their timelines set out by the director of the timeline magistrate. Pretty much I would've trimmed episodes 3 and 4 and made it 5 episode show and kept Loki at the center of it.
Enter Spiderman: No Way Home as a consequence of all the multi-verses being formed, when the spell goes awry, and things happen, a special book has rewritten itself to alert of the multi-verse, and then the movie plays out exactly the same.
Shang-Chi could've hinted at some multi-versal pull from the rings, causing his father to share life and power with all that use the rings in other dimensions (thus preparing a McGuffin hunt as the MCU moves forward). I really enjoyed Shan-Chi and think it failed because of Covid more than quality (it could've probably honed in on the plot more, strengthened the reason for the father wanting stuff, and like I said, let us see that the creation of a multi-verse has affected our timeline in which these secret organizations now formed, and stuff like that). We get cameo from Wong at the end.
Wanda/Vision, the rise of the Scarlett Witch. Here we could've learned Dr. Strange was no longer sorcerer supreme, and wasn't strong enough to stop Wanda at the height of her mental breakdown. But it's made clear she's the villain. There are some things I think could've been done a little different, but again, I think the show was strong, if they didn't try to make her a victim, or make it like she sacrificed anything. Realizing she can't control her magic, she turns herself over to Dr. Strange, who locks her in a magic prison.
Eternals should've been a Mini-Series that turns into a movie in Phase 5. They could've explored all the plot points and stories over 6 hours, introduced us to a new Big Bad, eliminated all the unnecessary characters, and left us with a small group that could eventually help out in future shows.
Thor Love and Thunder: In search of a cure for her cancer, Jane Foster is called by Mjolnir through Loki reaching through a void, thinking that he could contact his brother. The shattered Mjolnir however causes Jane to fall through the multiverse, risking an incursion, he finds another way to pull Thor into the timeline. They end up in the chambers of the Gods outside of all time, as they have all retreated from Gorr, but their actions and travel will have alerted Gorr. So forth and so on. Playing up the Multi-verse completely, and the risk of Incursion on a small scale.
Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness: This is where the incursion of the entire multi-verse is at risk. A Kang is seeking to reembody himself with his more wicked sides in control, and if he succeeds he will be in complete power of the Multiverse. McGuffin one. And the place where we introduce the complete big bad in the first hint that we know what we're building to. Though Dr. Strange is no longer the sorcerer supreme, he manages with the help of future heroes that will come out in Phase 5 from other dimensions. He now becomes something something of the Multi-verse. Then you have something big happen in the mid credit scene, another major event on this earth, threatening Wakanda, and he appears in Shuri's lab, saying, I need your brother's help.
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever: At the opening we see the Black Panther and his full army, fighting some big bad multi-dimensional force trying to get the vibranium. Shuri yells for him to pull back, but he can stop the event from happening, at the heart of an energy, taking all the energy and blowing up his suit and himself. He does it. The suit evaporating, we see his face, as Wakanda is saved once more, and his body tears through the multi-verse. Now weaken without a king, Shuri tries to reassemble her brother, tries to create technology that can access the multi-verse, and a year later she pulls through someone not her brother who says he is T'Challa, king of Wakanda. He's noble, regal, just looks different, but he recognizes Shuri and his mother. His story is one of tragedy in which Wakanda was destroyed and he failed to protect her, his family killed, his people gone. He was not strong enough. They don't know if they can trust him, but Namor, the man who in his world destroyed Wakanda, now comes to Wakandan soil once more. And it's his chance at protecting his country, whether they want him to or not. At the end, they come to trust this new T'Challa, and respect him, but he takes the mantle of black panther, but gives Shuri the mantle of Queen, as this is not his land. But he promises to be the protector of Wakanda, a servant of its shores (not yet ready or prepared to take the mantle of king for his failures in his own dimension... they don't get a risk of incursion because her brother's being went through the dimensional rift.
For T.V Series.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier could've set up a television team of American protectors, and people trying to destabilize the country.
Ms. Marvel, American Chavez (could've been a way to link the tv series to the bigger stories), Female Hawkeye, She-Hulk, and (I would've chosen another young person story instead of Moon Knight... maybe have used Iron Heart).
Female Hawkeye could've set up she-hulk, with Kingpin going to California, and attempting to assassinate Jen, and then Hulk making the painful decision to save her. Now we have a world big bad and we have Kingpin hire Titania to defend against She-Hulk, and Daredevil can then be reintroduced as he tracked Kingpin down.
American Chavez could've had her story told with Dr. Strange in the background and with Wong.
Moon Knight had his story, but find someway to connect it to American Chavez or to Ms. Marvel.
And then start talking about a Young Avengers, led by Falcon and Winter Soldier, who, not for nothing, are the group that defeat Kang the Conqueror in the comic books.
There were so many opportunities in these franchises and in how they were expanding that was just destroyed by Hubris, Greed, and the need for quantity over quality.
Seeing Doctor Strange get sidelined in his own sequel was heartbreaking for someone who was a big fan of him. I was looking forward to seeing them flesh Doctor Strange out into the new heart of the MCU but they completely fumbled the plot and his characterization. Now nobody even cares about Multiverse or Madness. Even the Wanda Stans have seemed to move on from it.
I was so excited for MoM. I’m pretty sure I even mention so in my “MCU Phase Four Sucks” video how much I was looking forward to it. Maybe a little too much, because it not only crashed and burned, I made a scathing review of it. 😝
@@TheMovieCynic yeah I feel you
I feel like Spider-Man was supposed to take up that mantle from Tony, but they didn’t really do it correctly. Other than seeing 2 more solo movies since endgame, we haven’t seen as much Spider-Man as we would need to even call him the new “centerpiece character”. Now part of this is Sonys fault, because apparently Spider-Man was supposed to appear in falcon and the winter solider and she-hulk, but was rejected by Sony to do so, but again, Marvel is still to blame for trying to make their centerpiece character so hard to put into a ton of projects.
It's the Multiverse Saga, Strange could have been the center player of this one and connect every new players together but it seem like they held him back for some reason and using Wong instead and Wong doesn't seem anything damn thing aside from appear then and there.
Look at the arrowverse. It’s very name includes the person that helped it even exist. The mcu was essentially the ironverse, without ironman, it just doesn’t have that magic anymore
I have a question.
How would a new Iron Man save the MCU from bad writing? I mean, REALLY bad writing.
It definitely wouldn’t. But I’ve touched on bad writing in my other MCU videos, and was going over another problem they have in this one.
The only one who could have done it was Dr strange. They seemed to be seeing this up by having them established as two geniuses fighting,but then dropped it. He's also well placed to support the whole muktiverse angle.
i am kind of glad Stan Lee isn't around to see all the atrocities coming out of phase 4. just think about it: all his heroes, characters and even villians were birthed from his soul. and then in 2022, THIS is what a company is doing with his passion and life's work.
Good writers > Good characters > Good CGI.
This should be the priority of any action movie in exactly that order.
I echo what others have said: it is the writing. The example I point to is Thor. Look at Thor in Avengers Infinity War versus what we are given now in Love and Thunder. Whether you as a viewer enjoyed Love and Thunder or not you can't deny that Thor is no longer the character we saw in Infinity War. The other issue is quality and quantity of content, there is too much and it is being done to push the D+ subscription service.
Agreed that it’s a writing thing too; I’ve just touched on that plenty in other videos so I wanted to address an additional observation.
It's called a character arc. Obviously he's not the same as back in infinity war after endgame. Nor is he the same as 2011, 2013, etc.
Since Wong has literally had a cameo in most phase 4 movies...they seem to be trying to do it with him lol
Marvel tried too hard in Loki s1 to make kang act like Tony Stark, but he was so boring af
Kang. Kang will be the one. Villain or not, he has the most potential to hold the whole universe together.
I know some say his introduction was mid at best and full of just exposition…but I genuinely think from the glimpse we got from Jonathan Majors, his charisma, his versatility and the fact he can appear in soooo many different variants of himself…if anyones to hold it down for all roads leading back to him….in my opinion…it’s Kang
We'll see, but seeing real life interviews with him... I wasn't sold on the versatility. He seemed to behave precisely how the character was in the episode.
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My biggest issue with these new actors (products more like it) and shows/movies is that it feels so uprooted and disjointed from what the original idea was. They don't sell you on a character or draw you into the universe like phase 1 which felt so grounded and is in part to the writers but just the performances. Rdj was on his A-game every single movie even if it wasn't the best movie he was in. Charlie cox showed that we can have good TV shows which decent budget so long as the writing was there the actor could also be there. I've simply lost most of hope at it being able to recapture that excitement and the last movie to do that for me was no way home but only due to the phenomenonal actors as the villains/hero.
I’ve been re-watching the originals. Stark is great, but we need a Cap, too.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but I'm among the camp of those that wasn't very impressed with No Way Home. I think for void of the nostalgia, the writing is mediocre at best. I'm quite disappointed with the MCU.
Robert Downey Jr is as synonymous with Iron man as Johny Depp is as Captain Jack Sparrow. You can NEVER recast the character with a different actor because of this.
Robert Downing Jr. played Ironman the way I wanted to see an actor play Batman, as two different characters. Tony Dtark was a funny charismatic person, while Ironman was a serious no shit taking hero. They were like night and day.
What we git from Batman was one person playing the role of one person. Even when Bruce Wayne put on his suit as Batman he was still Bruce Wayne.
I know you're talking about Marvel but I'm moving on. The DCEU has never been successful as Marvel so they have room to move. Marvel's ceiling is too high to reach for itself to even replicate qhat they did in the past.
So with the DCEU Batman should be the character to center the Universe around but in my opinion both Wonder Woman and Supeeman can be written to share that attention. If they had good writers.
I've been collecting comics since 1980, and been a fan of Marvel for almost 50 years. I topped collecting anything really new in 1996, although I do keep up to date somewhat And up to the end of Phase 3, I was so excited for every movie that came along, with the ending of the Infinity War Saga. I cried in theatres for both parts, was so immersed in each film, that I yelled NO at the screen for the first time in my life when iron Man got stabbed by Thanos. And now with Phase 4, and that last shit show we call Thor Love and Thunder, which is the first marvel movie I actually hated. I don't care about these new characters anymore. Bringing in some characters that have been around, what 9 years now (Ms. Marvel) they don't have the fan base and the longevity of the old school characters that for the last 3 phases, which have a history dating back to the 60's. That's why there was an older crowd in a lot of these movies, they grew up with these characters. Now, its just Meh. While I will keep watching because I need to see what happening for some awesome end phase like Infinity War, which I doubt. I used to buy every Marvel mov ie on Blu Ray to rewatch. Now, ever since Infinity War, I haven't bought one, because I don't want to rewatch what is happening now
Hollywood is filled with handsome, talented, charismatic leading men and women. That the MCU cannot find another one seems to be a sign of ineptitude, and not a lack of a replacement for RDJ.
The only Hollywood release I enjoyed in 2022 is The Batman 🦇🦇
I’ve enjoyed a handful of other films, but The Batman is tops for me.
@@TheMovieCynic Can you suggest some good movies to watch released in 2022 and 2021?
A handful that I’ve reviewed were very good: “the black phone”, “everything everywhere all at once”, “Top Gun: maverick”, “Sonic 2”. The movie “X” was a wild ride if you’re a horror fan, “The Northman” was also pretty great, “Tick Tick Boom”, “Nobody”… there was a lot of quality cinema for the past year and a half.
@@TheMovieCynic Thanks for the Incredible Lists 🤗. I am gonna watch em all soon. I gonna watch Top Gun: Maverick this week and I do like horror movies so gonna watch "X" this week only. I haven't been to theaters so often as I used to since Covid happened. I wanna return to theaters to a Blockbuster movie. I missed Top Gun: Maverick and The Batman in theaters. Should have watch em in theaters.
@@pranitvarma it might not be "cinema" but I thought bullet train was a pretty good comedy action packed movie. other than that the batman and black phone was my tops for this year.
So much for that one article that claimed Spiderman was going to be the new "face of the mcu."
We didn’t just lose Tony Stark in End Game. We lost them all :(
The RDJ of Phase Four really should have been Bennedict Cummberbatch but we saw how he got treated
I am a DC fan. But I watched the MCU for IronMan. After Endgame the MCU ended for me. I told that to some of the cool MCU fans. They said who cares about Ironman ,we have so many other characters. Here we are.
I will say that Shang-Chi was actually pretty good, that and No Way Home are by far the best two in Phase 4
Shang-chi had great cast and fights, but the script was so poor
I was disappointed with Shang Chi. No way home was amazing. But you're right with them being the two best of phase 4
@@RyckiTroll Shang-Chi had a decent script. I’d say better than the rest of phase 4 (other than maybe No Way Home). Wenwu was a great villain, and Awkwafina didn’t annoy me, so I call it at least ok. Not great, but still solid
Sigh...nothing's been the same since Tony died. Problem is you can't just introduce a multiverse Tony because no one can fill Robert Downey Jr's shoes
I would say someone out of the guardians since they're one of the few characters I (and I imagine many people who loved the first 3 phases as much as I did) still seem to care about but guardians 3 will probably be the last movie for all those characters.
Charlie Cox as Daredevil is another candidate as people who've seen the netflix show love the character and his portrayal, but I can think of no way daredevil can fit into all the multiversal multidimensional story arcs (I'm not a comic reader so I don't know if something like that happens in the comics though).
If they were able to find another Downey, Jr., it wouldn't work because the writers are diversity hires, not creative, talented people. I really enjoyed Marvel for a decade (give or take) but I'm completely out from now on. My biggest fear is Disney buys up more studios and we just have no good films anymore. It would all be propaganda. For China.
Most of the writers are white males ...how is that a diversity hire
At this point all my faith in the MCU is left in the guardians of the galaxy, but with gamora gone, my faith is wavering
We are sadly in an era where they feel more compelled to IN EVERY FRANCHISE to Schiff on their fanbase. What does this accomplish? What good did it do to insult the fans in She-Hulk? What good did it do to take the one actor the fans wanted to play Reed Richards then kill him on screen out of spite to the fans? What good is mocking what made the experiment work?
Yes and no.
Yes it does suck.
No - the usual fanboy cry we need to go back and tell the same story over again is wrong.
Just need better writing specifically - stories, character and plot, with more respect for continuity and a clear vision of future destination.
The current writers just aren't that good, or in the case of Taika Waititi - they are using too much cocaine and $crewing too many actresses and have lost focus on making good films.
In all of marvel Downey's character always made me look forward for Marvel's future, I always wondered what the Stark might be up to as he felt the centre of everything. Now it feels complete hotch potch with noone being the big main. Doctor Strange should've been the one for it but no today you can't have that.
It's time for a new movie paradigm. Superheros have been exhausted.
Great video, came over from Lewis' recommendation after watching his video and I really think you guys hit the nail on the head with the problem with Phase 4. There's no foundational story that has been setup like there was with Phase 1 and the Infinity Saga overall. Even if rumors of the Doom reveal at the end of Wakanda Forever pan out, there's nothing connecting Moonknight to Shang Chi to the Eternals to She-Hulk. It just a bunch of stuff thrown in to get mixed in a blender. I'm happy to eat my words if by the time we get to the end of Phase 6 in 2026 or so but I don't see that happening.
I kind of agree with you. I think they need someone like Stark in that he's iconic, one of the true leads (you can argue he's more popular than Cap), and ties everything together. However, I would argue that the MCU's problem is that they're trying too hard to fill his shoes right now. They make every superhero a jokester to see if any one of them will catch fire like Iron Man. Unfortunately all that's given me is a headache. That said, it should've easily been Strange or Thor to lead Phase 4 on out. Both are OP, both know and can travel through mediums/reality, and both are OG's that fans would love. Instead, they decided to make Strange be a background character and Thor a complete idiotic toddler. Shame.
Hopefully Reed Richards can fill the void Tony left behind. It would make a lot of sense because the fantastic four are the cornerstone and first family of the marvel universe.
When Brie Larson asked if that was a personal attack. From her facial expression I think she was joking and haters took it personally
2:15 I hope spiderman gets more character development in phase 5, he is my only candidate to replace Stark
To be positive about Iron Man's death, he probably would've ended up in a embarrassing movie like Thor Love & Thunder if he lived longer than End Game so he died a legend.
Ironman 2 & 3 are some of the lows of the MCU mind.
Ironman 3 is not that bad.
*Riri Williams* is the best example of a sociopathic Iron Man and she’s in the MCU now.
_Don’t mind me. I’m going to enjoy indie films now._
Captain Marvel was supposd to be the new Lead but she messed that up due to her mouth and now M-SHE U is shit out of luck and dismissable like side missions after you beat the main story lol
Nah I disagree. I think Multiverse, Loki, Wandavision, and No Way Home are more than enough to carry Phase 4. Especially as this is more of an introductory phase to lead up to the new threat which is (Spoilers for Loki)
Kang-who is a multiversal threat and will probably be the ultimate villain before the Secret Wars storyline.
Spiderman is the new iron man. Confirmed in Far From Home when he built his suit and Happy nodded in approval
I could easily see Tom Holland's Peter Parker as the next lead, he could go through an arc after the events of NWH and come into his own as a leader, making Tony proud.
The problem with new mcu is that there is no evolution with characters. What will be the arc of characters ? I don’t know how those new characters could actually change. Steve changed, tony changed, hulk changed, even smaller characters like black widow and hawkeye changed. But i don’t see where the universe can go now, characters wise. There is a story that is planned but to have a good story, you need good characters. Even a meh movie can be great if it has great characters with great chemistry. I hope the mcu will get better but for now, it’s a lot of uncertainty.
Was No Way Home good?
No. It was spectacular.
Given the issues with Covid restrictions, we got an absolute gold mine
No Way Home proves that studios should no longer use the pandemic as an excuse for the critical and commercial underperformance of their movies.
Phase 4 is a total disaster!
Captain America🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
when is saw shang-chi, my dumb ass thought that i would have to wait 10 years to see the end of the next saga. i guess i didnt know they were gonna do quantity over quality
In the beginning I used to rush to the theater to be among the first fans to see each new release. Now I feel there is no rush. I'll wait for these newer movies and series to air on television. If I miss any of them it is no big deal. These stories are not as interesting as they used to be. I grew up reading Marvel Comics in the 1960s and 1970s. I did not enjoy the last Spider-Man movie and I am not happy with what the MCU has done to The Hulk. I hope the next Fantastic Four movie and other upcoming Marvel productions are not trainwrecks. As the MCU gets further away from Stan Lee's source material and begins to produce their own interpretations, the greater my disinterest grows. I hate to say it but I'm beginning to think the thrill is gone.
honestly maybe it should actually be Ant-Man. i know the ant-fam tend to stay out of avenging, but after Scott rebooted the avengers in endgame, it'd make sense that he would try to gather a new version of the team
but he hasn't appeared in phase 4 at all, Stark was a main character in like 50% of each of the previous phases. by that logic, Strange's higher presence in phase 4 might be the go, maybe he SHOULD lead an Avengers, he's not sorcerer supreme-ing lol
You nailed it. I loved Tony Stark, and when he was in a movie, the movie was better for it. When he died, I was shocked and I cried. And I haven't watched anything Marvel since, because it's all very mehhh.
Its Loki...... You just wait, the time wars
Thor could probably be the next lead character to lead the marvel heros through phase 5 and 6 but with Chris Hemsworth's health condition, he's probably not going to be in those phases. Marvel back then, struck gold when they cast RDJ to played Iron Man. Every since then, they've been working on phases and the first three phases had the main OG's in an avengers movie and Iron Man was always 2nd in command, next to Captain America. Phase 4 seems like they're setting up multiverses so if they wanted to, they could bring back Iron Man but with another actor that can bring the same energy and chrisma that Robert brought in the first three phases. Hypthorically speaking, the actor who does happen to get chosen to play Tony Stark haves some huge shoes to fill most definetly.
I wholeheartedly agree…Honestly…the way they just turned Hull into mush they could have had him make the ultimate sacrifice and snap his finger…give him a hero send off…cause that would have been better than being She-Hulks side kick.
Here's how Disney Marvel will handle Wolverine:
Put his name in the title of a movie, introduce X23 in that movie, kill him off at the end of the movie, X23 becomes the new Wolverine and cycle continues with Deadpool/Lady Deadpool.
"Consume this product which is a commercial for the next product to consume"
- Disney post Endgame
Its obvious since the beginning...the main characters marvel like Reed Richard, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and original Ant Man went to college and university together, they were geniuses of the marvel universe and became the main Primary superheroes of Marvel...you mess them up and you destroy Marvel foundation...and thats what they did!
it's just sad that this video is a year old and is still relevant even in Phase 5
1:37, even so The Incredible Hulk is a criminally underrated movie
It’s so hard to give a determined answer on who could be the new face because there’re characters I want to see more of/think could have an interesting through line but I’m not sure people would be invested enough in them/I’m unsure what arc they could go through at this point.
My first instinct is to say Rhodey. He’s one of the original side characters who up to now hasn’t received nearly enough attention as a character. He’s connected to Tony in that they were best friends, it’s someone who we are familiar with who could take on the mantle of “new face.” Except the issue is he’s been around since phase 1 and they’ve barely done anything with him. At this point I doubt there’d be enough interest to warrant him taking on the position. But also I’m unsure what arc we could put rhodey through for a through line.
Bucky would be someone who could have the weight of the fallout of Endgame/Steve’s departure which from my understanding FAWS tried to do (I refused to watch that show but maybe I should go back and do so now), but the focus sounded to be more on what Sam felt. Bucky could’ve been the guy who, as Steve’s best friend, tried to continue Steve’s legacy in protecting the world, as well as working through his own demons and past. I’d say no to Bucky though because he’s not charismatic in the way Tony was, he’s more like how you placed Black Panther.
I WOULD have said Dr. Strange until they assassinated him in Multiverse of Madness….need I say more.
Hear me out, and not necessarily as the only figure head at the front more of a side support, but Loki. I think the decision to kill off the main timeline Loki in IW was the wrong choice. Modern Hollywood has a habit of giving a character a redemption arc/partial arc and then immediately killing them off instead of allowing us to see where that character can go from there. Loki at the end of Ragnarok seemed to have mostly turned another leaf, deciding to stay at Thor’s side presumably as an advisor. Then IW happens and they kill him off. And the reason I say all this is because CLEARLY Marvel wanted a “good” Loki to play around with that’s WHY the show exists but instead of a Loki who naturally went from egotistical asshole with a chip on his shoulder to a damaged man who loves his brother and his people despite everything he’s put them and himself through and returns home to be with them, we get a 5 minute scene of Avengers Loki watching his other self’s journey. It doesn’t hit.
What they should have done was kept original Loki alive, either have him end up in space with Thor or send him to earth with Bruce to warn the avengers. The team would be forced to confront a lot of old wounds, a lot of struggles that forced them together in the first place. It also would have made sense to have someone on the team who knew Thanos well enough to strategize a better plan.
My point is Loki could have made for an interesting, prominent figure in the new MCU (which again they seem to want but the screwed it up) as an ex-villain who now has to face the reality of the things he did to the people of earth, to his own people, and to the avengers team. We also could have gotten closure on Loki’s arc in regard to Thanos, let Loki fight in the final battle, let him actually prove to Thanos that he is a true son of Odin, a prince, and someone to not take lightly. IW even gave us the bit during his scene where we call back to avengers 1 when he repeats Tony’s “we have a hulk” line. Yes I know it was a callback but I kinda saw it as signifying Loki’s decision to be on the right side for once.
Point here is, Loki shouldn’t have died and the Loki we have in phase 4 should have been the main timeline’s Loki.
As for a villain character, we COULD have a villain as the face of the MCU in Wanda if they hadn’t butchered her arc. Wanda as a villain could have worked if they’d taken the time to build it. For one, if you want the Westview/WandaVision plot, it should have taken place in between IW and Endgame. Wanda doesn’t get dusted, she lives and still grieves vision. It could also make more sense because in that 5 year span of time, maybe she still does the end, forces the people of westview into her “game.” But she actually gets stopped by the government and taken in, imprisoned for the remainder of time. Maybe Nat and the others offer her a deal to get her out on good behavior if she agrees to help with the time heist. Maybe she agrees but screws it up all to save vision. Maybe she doesn’t mess it up but still harbors vengeance and anger and still gets her fight with Thanos, but by the end still isn’t satisfied and still wants her family back and then we can have more time to build up to the darkhold if they’re that keen on using it. Build up to Wanda’s need for power and her grief driving her. We could have had something interesting if they’d done it right.
That was quite the rant on my part. If anyone made it this far, my apologies lol.
I still think Shang Chi is great, but phase four has been incredibly disappointing and it’s hard to feel excited for secret wars when it’s coming so soon, it’ll feel unearned. I think Shang chi has potential to be the new iron man, but it doesn’t look like that’s the direction they are going in
Guardians of the Galaxy I felt could have carried us through phase 4 had they given a crap...
"Phase 4 doesnt have an anchor"???! Are you serious? Did you not see the scene in Dr strange 2 where america chavez asked if spiderman had webs out his ass?
(seriously though they dont have anchors, they have dead weights)
Bruh, this Brotha here is tha *Realist.* SUBSCRIBED
Wong is the character whos been in the most films in phase 4/
Spiderman nwh
Shang Chi
Doctor Strange 2
She Huk
So Wong is the iron man of phase 4
Yeeeeah but no one is going to see an MCU movie because of Wong.