If you was to do both Cerakote Piston Coat C-186 (Air Cure) and Cerakote Micro Slick C-110 (Air Cure), couldn't you just do the blasting for both areas in one stage?
I woudl like to know this as well. I would think you would want oven cure piston coat and then oven cure microslick. I assume he oven cure microslick is more resilient?
Hello CERAKOTE Team, Thanks for this video. Just an important question : The coating change the piston diameter rating, so I imagine this needs to be taken into account when purchasing piston sizes (motocross application)?
Im thinking of using piston coat to coat the crown of a chainsaw piston and the chainsaw bore which has some imperfections. When using on the bore, will I have to removed the chrome plating prior to cerakoting?
So I've been using Cerakote V-136 and C-110 for several years on pistons and combustion chambers and I'm very pleased with the results. However I have heard suggestions from different videos on using Micro Slick on camshaft lobes and other bearing surfaces. What is the correct proceedure for prepping the hard metal surface of the cam lobes or shell bearings?
I am so impressed to see cerakote application method۔ I have one question " is this coating is also lasting results on 2 stroke diesel engine pistons" and what would be its service life۔ I hope to receive your valuable reply۔ Thank you
Hi, can I use silica ( or beech sand ) for blasting and prepping skirts. I've ordered v heat treat Cerakote. My store only offers 70 grit Aluminum oxide. Thank you!
Is it possible to add more coats to decrease piston to wall clearance? You state it only adds up to .0005". Im looking to add around .004" to the total piston diameter, which would be .002" of coating on each individual skirt.
In my country we don't get 100 mesh micro grit so I used 70 and and V139 Titanium Red on piston crown and running it on ex South African MX Champs bike and already 40 hours in with no issue. Question is I have microslick but not sure if I should go ahead with blast with 70 grit. What a bummer
I did not see any pouring through a strainer as written in the captions. Also, is there any data to show this is actually beneficial in promoting longevity or improving performance other than a hypothetical claim?
They use a metal mesh strainer that sits inside the sprayer flush when I went for training they used strainers if you don’t your sprayer will clog up and tons of small particles will show on the surface
I am going to use this process for a new engine built in a few months but have a question that i cant find an answer for. The datasheets for the Micro Slick and Piston Coats both say that the air cured product is a lot harder ( so its better? ). BUT people on some forums say that the Oven cured products are way more robust, thats what i also think. So what would be the best product? ( I have an oven available). The engine is an old engine thats gonna be rebuild, no new parts are available, long lasting street engine but its gonna see some abuse.
Sandblast the parts with #100 grit aluminum oxide or garnet sand at 80 to 100 psi. Lightly blast (30-40 psi) non-metal parts such as: wood, fiberglass, plastic or polymer. For anodized aluminum parts, set the blasting pressure to 30-40 psi. Strive for an even blast pattern over the surface of the part.
yes, it does fork with both OEM high-silicone pistons and aftermarket forged pistons. I have been using Cerakote products on racing and street application engines with both 4032 and 2618 forged pistons for 12+ years
Is there a reason you are using the oven cure V-136 Piston coating but you then use the air cure C-110 microslick for the skirt? Why not use the Oven Cure Microslick on the Skirt instead of Air cure? Can you not use Oven Cure microslick and Oven Cure Piston coat on the same substrate piston?
V series is oven cure and C is air. It's only the top that you require oven. I've done quite a few for our MX race bikes and so far tripled the life on one piston
Performance is based on application as well as several other variables such as the type of engine, surface area, density of the piston, and the purpose of application. However, no matter the application, Cerakote Piston Coat is a thermal barrier coating and will yield results in less heat transferred into the piston and cylinder wall, to include the cylinder head and coolant.
Good question, the blast prep on the piston will create tiny peaks and valleys. The Micro Slick is so thin that will fill in these valleys after the blast prep, creating a more uniform slick surface. There is still the possibility that there are tiny high points (which will be knocked off when the piston cycles). The idea behind the burnishing is to knock any high spots down preemptively, before the piston goes into the bore, so you'll have a cleaner initial cycling of the piston.
You don’t need to wait between coats. Really you aren’t applying multiple coats during application. You’re more building up the thickness of the coating by passing over any given area around 2-3 times. You can see in the video as he is applying the cerakote he makes passes in a vertical direction. Between each pass he rotates the part so that the next pass will overlap his previous pass by 1/2 to 2/3 the width of his spray pattern. Doing this he passes over any given point of the part 2-3 times with the coating.
@@m_zbrv3967 Yes, I get pistons with this coating on them already, but I wanted to see how they do it. I will start building my own with this coating. The results of thermal resistance on the piston crown are very amazing! Drops piston crown temps by over 200F in some cases!
The substrate reduces friction and is only as thick as most dial bore gauge are accurate. If prepped correctly one would think it should actually have better resistance to carbon buildup than a piston that has not been coated.
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If you was to do both Cerakote Piston Coat C-186 (Air Cure) and Cerakote Micro Slick C-110 (Air Cure), couldn't you just do the blasting for both areas in one stage?
Working on a dodge viper engine and I need to reapply the side skirt coatings that are worn off. This stuff should do the trick
Definitely !!
Would love to see a Cerakote vs Wpc treatment video since you can also use Cerakote on things such as valves.
Do you have a kit with the strainers tape and blast media.
Are there any discernible differences between air cure and oven cure once complete?
I'd really like the answer to this as well.
I woudl like to know this as well. I would think you would want oven cure piston coat and then oven cure microslick. I assume he oven cure microslick is more resilient?
Hello CERAKOTE Team,
Thanks for this video.
Just an important question : The coating change the piston diameter rating, so I imagine this needs to be taken into account when purchasing piston sizes (motocross application)?
No, the coating is only .0001" to .00005" thick.
Exactly what Bucky said! Thanks for the reply 👊
Im thinking of using piston coat to coat the crown of a chainsaw piston and the chainsaw bore which has some imperfections. When using on the bore, will I have to removed the chrome plating prior to cerakoting?
Hello CEREKOTE team. I have some question . Is there any distributor in Türkiye ? Also what is your ceramic coating technical spec ? thank you..
Damn! How did our vehicles ever survive without this?
So I've been using Cerakote V-136 and C-110 for several years on pistons and combustion chambers and I'm very pleased with the results. However I have heard suggestions from different videos on using Micro Slick on camshaft lobes and other bearing surfaces. What is the correct proceedure for prepping the hard metal surface of the cam lobes or shell bearings?
What are you pleased with? I have disassembled many engines that were built before piston coatings and they all ran fine.
I am so impressed to see cerakote application method۔ I have one question " is this coating is also lasting results on 2 stroke diesel engine pistons" and what would be its service life۔
I hope to receive your valuable reply۔ Thank you
Hi, can I use silica ( or beech sand ) for blasting and prepping skirts. I've ordered v heat treat Cerakote. My store only offers 70 grit Aluminum oxide. Thank you!
Please get in touch with our tech support team, so they can get and give you some specifics. technicalsupport@cerakote.com
Is it possible to add more coats to decrease piston to wall clearance? You state it only adds up to .0005". Im looking to add around .004" to the total piston diameter, which would be .002" of coating on each individual skirt.
I dont think it will do well since coating isnt supposed to add clearence
@Cerakote --- Can it be applied to the walls of the piston shafts in the engine?
In my country we don't get 100 mesh micro grit so I used 70 and and V139 Titanium Red on piston crown and running it on ex South African MX Champs bike and already 40 hours in with no issue. Question is I have microslick but not sure if I should go ahead with blast with 70 grit. What a bummer
I did not see any pouring through a strainer as written in the captions. Also, is there any data to show this is actually beneficial in promoting longevity or improving performance other than a hypothetical claim?
They use a metal mesh strainer that sits inside the sprayer flush when I went for training they used strainers if you don’t your sprayer will clog up and tons of small particles will show on the surface
What's the difference between c-series and v-series? (Other than oven/air cure)
Can I do the whole piston? I used a degreeser and it ate the skirt coating off.
What happen if you use C-186 or V-136 on the skirts?... Will it expand and touch the walls?
Can I use this coating on Duramax diesel pistons?
I am going to use this process for a new engine built in a few months but have a question that i cant find an answer for.
The datasheets for the Micro Slick and Piston Coats both say that the air cured product is a lot harder ( so its better? ).
BUT people on some forums say that the Oven cured products are way more robust, thats what i also think.
So what would be the best product? ( I have an oven available).
The engine is an old engine thats gonna be rebuild, no new parts are available, long lasting street engine but its gonna see some abuse.
If you have a run in your coating, would you immediately clean the piston, while it is wet, and go back to step 1?
Yes, wipe it right off with a lint free towel.
Great video best way to see it done by the manufacturer itself. Some info on blast media use or I missed it
2:12 of video! We’re glad you liked the video!
Sandblast the parts with #100 grit aluminum oxide or garnet sand at 80 to
100 psi. Lightly blast (30-40 psi) non-metal parts such as: wood, fiberglass, plastic or
polymer. For anodized aluminum parts, set the blasting pressure to 30-40 psi. Strive for
an even blast pattern over the surface of the part.
Só faltou presentear o Brasil com a legenda portugues , no mais very good.
Does this work with fordge piston?
yes, it does fork with both OEM high-silicone pistons and aftermarket forged pistons. I have been using Cerakote products on racing and street application engines with both 4032 and 2618 forged pistons for 12+ years
Is there a reason you are using the oven cure V-136 Piston coating but you then use the air cure C-110 microslick for the skirt? Why not use the Oven Cure Microslick on the Skirt instead of Air cure? Can you not use Oven Cure microslick and Oven Cure Piston coat on the same substrate piston?
V series is oven cure and C is air. It's only the top that you require oven. I've done quite a few for our MX race bikes and so far tripled the life on one piston
Is it possible or advised to paint the cylinder combustion chamber over the NIKASIL coating?
Does this decrease oil crankcase temperature when used on forged pistons and by how much? Thanks!
Performance is based on application as well as several other variables such as the type of engine, surface area, density of the piston, and the purpose of application. However, no matter the application, Cerakote Piston Coat is a thermal barrier coating and will yield results in less heat transferred into the piston and cylinder wall, to include the cylinder head and coolant.
@@Cerakote Is there available data to support increased horsepower or engine longevity?
Any negatives to using the oven cure piston coat on the top, then follow with the micro slick after down the sides/bottom?
No negatives at all!
You can't see them when they're installed any how, who cares about the color, as long as it works
I would think you would coat the piston top down to the first ring landing.
Applicator preference.
It is a hard ceramic, not supposed to be exposed to the bores it can scratch....
Hi, is c-110 applicable for main and rod bearing coating? I'm assuming it is a dfl1 substitute
Thanks!
Why did you use the steel wool after coating it?
Good question, the blast prep on the piston will create tiny peaks and valleys. The Micro Slick is so thin that will fill in these valleys after the blast prep, creating a more uniform slick surface.
There is still the possibility that there are tiny high points (which will be knocked off when the piston cycles). The idea behind the burnishing is to knock any high spots down preemptively, before the piston goes into the bore, so you'll have a cleaner initial cycling of the piston.
@@Cerakote thank you! Makes sense. Appreciate the feedback!
How does the C-186 coating effect the thermal expansion and heat transfer on both 2618 and 4032
It will help regulate the thermal cycling on both substrates.
A question, for micro slick, you said it adds up to 0.5 mm ?? That's literally an overbore, or am I missing something ?
mils not mm, mil is equivalent to a thousandth of a inch
In what way are your coatings different from the cerakote coatings Brownells and Midway sale for firearms?
They are the same coatings. The Cerakote coatings that you find from those companies are our coatings re-labeled.
@@Cerakote a great product! thanks for replying 👌
For the C-110 you recommend 3 light coats. How long to wait between coats?
You don’t need to wait between coats. Really you aren’t applying multiple coats during application. You’re more building up the thickness of the coating by passing over any given area around 2-3 times. You can see in the video as he is applying the cerakote he makes passes in a vertical direction. Between each pass he rotates the part so that the next pass will overlap his previous pass by 1/2 to 2/3 the width of his spray pattern. Doing this he passes over any given point of the part 2-3 times with the coating.
Anyone use this these on 2 stroke pistons?
We have Piston Coat made specifically for pistons.
can the Cerakote Piston Coat used for combustion chamber?
Yes, and valve faces they say.
@@MrInnovativeEnergy Cool. Just found there's one coating shop at my place that done Cerakote for piston and head including the exhaust port
@@m_zbrv3967 Yes, I get pistons with this coating on them already, but I wanted to see how they do it. I will start building my own with this coating. The results of thermal resistance on the piston crown are very amazing! Drops piston crown temps by over 200F in some cases!
@@MrInnovativeEnergy that sounds very promising bro!
@@m_zbrv3967 More boost! with less heat, yeah mah dude, cheap and easy. No reason not to do it.
Why not just coat whole thing?
You have to be kidding! coating the ring lands WOW!!!!!!
The substrate reduces friction and is only as thick as most dial bore gauge are accurate. If prepped correctly one would think it should actually have better resistance to carbon buildup than a piston that has not been coated.
Are there is anyone have applicated this piston coat into a motorcycle's piston?
I am bro
im use carbon coating....😀
its free...
What?
Yes 👍
spraying a coating into the ring lands is a terrible idea
Why he look like hes been trying to steal woody and buzz lightyear since the 90s
Dope ass intro then boom Jason goofy ass
What an absolute load of nonsense. Pure snake oil!
U can prove it?