I'm a Lagoon 380 owner (my first sailboat), and I'm learning what I like and don't like. There are some issues with the Excess that would be a dealbreaker or an issue for me. Dealbreakers: 1. Those helms. I want to see the corners of my boat when I'm docking/manuvering. They also feel dangerous and exposed-like you'd fall off the end and nobody would notice because you're waaaaay back there. I am a flybridge person. I know the 380 doesn't really have a flybridge, but I'm tall and if I stand on my tiptoes with the top open it's almost one. 2. Stove next to the stairs. I tend to reach up and grab either side of the wall to pull myself up through the opening faster. Grabbing the edge of a hot stove is no bueno. Even worse-hit some crazy seas and having a hot pan of whatever spilling over into the cabins-no. 3. No seat in the shower. I don't like shaving my legs with no place to rest my foot, and forget about trying to do that while underway. The L380 has a nice seat. Aggravating: 1. The windows are so high in the cabins you can't see out of them. It's really nice to sit in bed at night and watch the water lapping on by and see the twinkling lights on the water. The windows are so high I would feel like I'm sleeping in a barrel or a basement apartment, and neither one of those feels luxe to me. I like a room with a view no matter where it is. 2. The retractable awning. I feel like it'd be noisy and flappy in the wind. I get enough sun out on the water; I want a permanent awning. I can go forward if I want sunshine. 3. Orange. As long as there's another option that's fine, but if you're making me have Brady Bunch orange, that's an issue. 4. The extra freezer is in a really awkward spot. Nobody likes getting on their hands and knees to go fetch more food. I'd raise it and make it a washer/dryer. 5. That super long bowsprit costs you more money in the marina where they charge by the foot. The budgeter in me is like, is that gonna be worth it? So there's my 2c as a probable move up catamaran owner in a few years. I know the sailboat market is very male driven, but it'd be nice if they could get some women in there to help design it. After all, it was a woman who recommended to Lee Iacocca to add cupholders to the first minivan...
Those cameras are actually part of some testing they are doing for ray marine on some new augmented reality. They will offer some sort of camera, but from my vantage point I could see unobstructed from both helms.
@Geoff Strebel probably something like this. www.mygreenoutdoors.com/raymarine-cam220-day-night-ip-marine-eyeball-camera-e70347/ Would be good for seeing forward in limited visibility, especially from those helm stations. Available on the Raymarine display. You could also get a pan and tilt IR camera to go on the front deck, which would be good for nighttime docking, or low-light navigation. www.mygreenoutdoors.com/cameras-network-video/?sort=bestselling&page=1 The price difference is substantial, and the jump up to the next camera will really scare you!
Why wouldn't they fix the creaky hinges on those doors for a showboat? I mean it would only take a little effort to show a boat without defects right? Or maybe they don't want to set an expectation on a well built boat? It's too bad, I was really looking forward to this more performance orientated line from groupe beneteau.
Thats part of the challenge with showing the prototype hull there are a number of things they've fixed and tweaked for the boats going into production.
@@catamarancentral for me, and I can't speak for Nathan, a charter boat, a weekender in the Bahamas, or even a week or two in the islands, sure, this would be great. A couple with a couple of kids who wants to head off for adventures for six or nine months a year, pulling up anchor every couple of weeks to head somewhere else, I don't think this is the boat for them. Not calling it a 'party boat', but I wouldn't put this on my short list of liveaboard cruisers, either.
@@GaryMCurran - I am rooted firmly in the category of 'wannabe sailor' but agree entirely. The original promo vid promised something of a rock 'n roll tearaway but ended up a bit Nickelback! ! :) I think they have certainly attempted a foray into Outremer territory with the outboard helms (sorry Wiley mate, can't agree that "they have done a 'great job of protecting them" - there isn't any!!) but of course no daggerboards and no real performance I guess. I like the boutique-hotel style interior but I really can't see what market share they are aiming for here. Whose got half a million plus to spend on a day/weekend sailer?? As my dear Gran would say, "it's neither fish nor fowl'. Not for me. Great to see you back Wiley!
I really thought I'd like this boat from static drawings. Forget exposed helms for a minute, I was lost at placement of galley sink. It's actually in the corner... you'll have to partially reach over the stove. Wouldn't want to wash dishes over a week in that position unless I had a chiropractor as crew. And that retracting cockpit cover greatly reduces area for solar. Seems a gimmick from monohulls that isnt needed on a cat. You need sun shelter more than you think. Sun out on trampolines, shade at back. Probably sell quite a few for charter in Med or Caribbean, not many will sell as owner/live aboard.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and respond. It isn't as bad as it looks. That being said, this boat was the prototype hull and they are still tweaking the design. Ii do like having one large sink versus two small sinks. I've spent too much time onboard boats where the sinks have been too small to be practical. Luckily the retractable sunroof is an option. I'd probably not order the boat with it, and put solar up there.
Yes , I agree about the sink . I HATE doing the dishes at the best of times , but as soon as I saw what "I " considered to be very poor placement of the sink ( judging from what I could see in the video ) . I realize that every boat is not for everyone , one issue or another , and obviously , as they designed it that way , they don't believe it to be an issue ... ( No such thing as a perfect .....anything ) But , for me , anyway , That right there was pretty much a show stopper . Even if a dishwasher was added , you'd still hate that sink ( location ). And then, although you'd have a dishwasher , now you're really giving up storage space . It's like you say re the Chiropractor on crew . you always be twisting , and then the stove is right there ...( burns ? ) And this is all is point of view from a right-hander , I would imagine this would be even worse for the left-handed world . I get it , this is first couple hulls out , and so tweaking to be done going forward , will be interesting to see what the market dictates. My thoughts ... maybe not yours...
No nav station. There is an option for electronics inside, but not a traditional nav station. Boat designers and builders are moving away from nav stations.
Yeah those helm positions are an absolute dealbreaker for me too. It seems like a great design for a charter boat though, which is probably who they are targeting with this design. Hopefully they come out with future models targeted for cruisers that will include a proper helm position and interior nav station because I do like the overall look and feel of the design.
Intereresting...not sure about nav station and helm positions and square edges in finishing, but looks amazing. I'm in Cannes looking at other boats - I'll be sure to stop by and look at this one too.
Complicated. Canadian, live in Switzerland and South of France. Looking to get a boat - likely to keep in Grenada to use 6 months at a time - about 18-24 months. Coming to show tomorrow - looking at Amel and FP and others (single vs multi-hull discussion still ongoing).
Wiley, great tour. Love your videos. I do agree that master stateroom is very nice. The double vanity, shower and large open cabin is very nice. I hate to be repetitive, but I'd have a hard time convincing my wife on those helm stations. She would not feel safe. I'm also not sure if those seats look very comfortable either. Regarding no interior helm station. I agree that is the current trend. I like what FP is doing with the Elba 45 in this regard. I think I'd rather have a large iPad that is connected to the main helm station and be comfortable in the salon seating area.
Good review video. Would have like to see the rear nav protection solution. Finishes look pretty good. Stove/burner adjoining companionway and no forward nav station definitely takes it out of consideration.
For those wondering where the NAV Station is, I believe I found it at the time marks below. I believe its located inside the salon on the port forward side. Look for the flexible microphone, and next to that a flip up section that is probably hiding the navigation display, as well as some cubbies and other flip ups possibly. Time marks: 4:23-4:27 - th-cam.com/video/LqpYIdGyOc8/w-d-xo.html 4:52 - th-cam.com/video/LqpYIdGyOc8/w-d-xo.html 5:04 - th-cam.com/video/LqpYIdGyOc8/w-d-xo.html (up close shot) Alsop check out the Excess 15 Layout from there website. There seems to also be some cubbies and other possible equipment a bit aft of the microphone area.. Layout - excess-catamarans.com/our-catamarans/excess-15#layout Virtual Visit - excess-catamarans.com/our-catamarans/excess-15#virtualvisit Major highlight of this boat is obviously the SPACE and STORAGE, however, IMHO that does not offset the poor helm positions IN WEATHER and the lack of a dedicated Nav station that you can sit at and face forward for watches and when in weather conditions.
Very nice Wiley! I am actually excited to see more of your videos on this one. Hopefully you plan on sharing some footage from your upcoming Annapolis -> FL delivery!
Great video, and beautiful cat. Is there any option to fully enclose the helm, or does the aft location make it completely unfeasible? I’ve been watching Cruising Off Duty’s transatlantic X5 crossing. Their fully enclosed helm seems to have been invaluable.
There is a full enclosure for the helm and cockpit. When I was onboard her in Bordeaux they had the enclosures up. Very well protected from the elements.
Hey Wiley!! I think they forgot something on this new boat. A NAV STATION! The twin helm stations would be great on a warm sunny day but how about a wet windy and cold rough day with cold sea water slapping you in the face all the time... Brrrrrrrrrr! The Master stateroom is NICE!
Thats what an enclosure is for. Not to mention... From my time offshore... When the weather is snotty I'm sitting in the cockpit with the autopilot on.
As always great job giving us a first look at a beautiful boat. I am struggling with the helm position and the lack of a interior nav station but if that's the way the industry is moving we will see how well these boats are received. I do love the lines of the boat and it looks like they really have a great design team.
I noticed, the stove is adjacent to the stairs going down to the port hull. Are there restraints of any kind to prevent a person from accidentally tumbling down the stairs while performing cooking duties?
I think there is plenty of gap and space in-between. The import thing is that the galley is not split by a companion way, which can be very dangerous and seen on somme other boats currently on the market.
Love the CQP & Semi-walk-a-rounds! The all one-level cockpit is a fantastic benefit of the aft helm positions! What is the difference between a canoe boom, and the park avenue boom? It is just perspective or is the mast fairly far aft, guess the foretriangle ist huge? Is that an electrically adjustable traveler?
Yah, cool boat. Love the layout but I gotta say it. Those helms, they are deal breakers for me. Hopefully the powers that be, will give an alternative option.
I love the layout but have to agree with the helm positions, they are just too exposed. I fell in love with Nautitec Cats a few years ago at Annapolis but couldn’t get over the helms. Of course they came out with the Fly but that isn’t much better. Enjoy Cannes Wiley! I had fun yacht shopping there last December.
Shoot me an email, and if you're in our dealer territory I'll send it over to you. If you're outside of our territory I'll put you in contact with the right person.
Can you get a hardtop instead of that retractable awning cuz when it rains in the Bahamas that kind of looks like a balloon even if it has ribs after while that's going to be a big problem and where is the indoor nav and washing machine was a room for one peace Vegas bill and I didn't hear how much
Unless you are holding your camera at groin-height there is no way that you will see the Starboard Bow from the Aft Port Helm station ... and vice-versa. 1:39 & 3:01 --- what's up with those Trip-Wires - I mean if you are hiding it for that distance why not hide it all the way ??? Otherwise, nicely appointed ...
Thats some good feedback. It would be very easy for them to do. It isn't really a place you'd pass through normally, but making them captive would be easy.
Thanks Wiley, I always enjoy your videos. I don't know why some viewers knock your pano's (spelling?) they really add to the experience. On the next walkthru can you say "let's do another frikkin pano" 😄 Keep up the great work!
Hi Wiley, Shame that this great looking cat has fallen far short of the mark for me. The helm stations are a dealbreaker for me (very limited protection from the weather if any and far too close to the transom cutting off accessibility to the sugarscoops when in use, also still very limited visibility) even a fly bridge would have been far better. A raised sports helm at the saloon bulkhead, port or starboard, would have been the preferred option. Don’t these designers listen to the blue water cruisers who have many years Bluewater cruising experience? This is a real disappointment from a builder that until now had a fairly good reputation. With no nav station inside is also a dealbreaker and a huge mistake by the designers. They should have also included a provision for a washer drier in addition to a double sink in the galley. The cockpit roof should have been solid to provide realestate for solar panels, the more the better. Also the dingy Davit seems very low, which in bad weather could be a problem with the seas slapping the dingy. A swing lift Davit would have been far better raising the dingy up higher by at least 2 more feet. The internal cabins do look very good and spacious with ample storage. The saloon looks good except for the missing nav station and the missing double galley sink. I really think that excess need to go back to the drawing board with this design if they want to make a real mark on the blue water cruising market. The major 2 items that need immediate modification are the helm station and the inside nav station. The rest can be done as options. Once again for me they are nowhere near the level of the other production cat manufacturers with this design. I am looking forward to a full in depth review and walkthrough of all aspects and spaces of this cat.
That was a really well shot and narrated video. Most walk through vids have God awful music and camera angles that focus on the floor or ceiling. Seriously, I watch a lot of yacht vids and this was a good one. :) cheers
What is CAD . , forget about the boat shows impressions and further develop the platform , look at Neel and how they have struggled. That’s it fro me W . I am with you... .saleh 🔴
Hm. Never was a Fan of those open Helms aft. They could be alot of Fun at Sailing/Regatta Conditions - but as a Cruiser? The most Time a Autopilot will do the work and for long Nightwatches, I prefer a more protected Helm. The Lack of a Nav Station ist a Bummer in my Eyes, what better Place for Watches in rough Seas while Passagemaking could one have? Saloon looks that open, because no Navstation and a more - how to put it? - "artificial" Galley. The Shape of the Galley asbolutely isnt my Taste, to open, not very secure ... Very nice Layout in the Hulls, but on the same Hand (wide Hulls) i seethis Boat isnt very fast. Overall I see some of Lagoon in it, but lacking my Essecials I dont like it. I had very high Expectations, but now I am a little disappointed. So far I stick to "my" Seawind Cats. This is my personal Opinion.
Don’t see any hand rails for stairs to cabins, I’m guessing this is just a fair weather boat as there are a few other rails that seem to be missing, no water collectors on roof, maybe designers aren’t sailors and just came from designing condo’s.
No nav station? Or did I miss it? And agree with the others, view from the helms was not that good. Every door you opened squeaked. Looked beautiful but the lack of Nav station and the helm view make this a deal killer for me.
@@catamarancentral yes, good point too, but I still don't like this helm station setup anyhow. I rather go with the Outremer tiller setup and more less protected wheel helm
Shoot me an email. If you are in our dealer territory I'd happily send you the price list, and if not I can put you in touch with the person you need to speak with.
Like your channel Wiley you got the camera work down pat.now on to the boat, the visibility issue is not solved,the layout is allover the place I expected much better from those guys it's basically a lagoon with clumsy helms sharp corners and ropes for safety rails, I won't go on the overall impression is underwhelming done with good fit and finish. They can do much better than this
I'm not in a positionto buy any sailboat right now, but here's my take away on this. I would not buy this as a cruising yacht. If I was buying a catamaran, it would be for the purpose of circumnavigation. To that end, it means at times, weeks on end in open blue water, with no land in sight. There is no way that I want open helm stations like on this, or a Catana, or any other performance catamaran. I want mine up higher, but completely surrounded by weather protection. I also want to feel secure, something I don't think I would way back at the top of the sugar scoop. Also, access to the engine and mechanical space is right under the helm seat, and a bit too far back for me I think it's too close to the edge of the boat, and not good if you're trying to work at night in a sea. From an aesthetics po.int of view, I don't like th layout of the galley. I prefer a 'U' shaped galley were you can brace yourself in a sea. Having something on either side of you just makes it feel better. On a purely nitpick point, a double bowl sink in the kitchen is almost a necessity. For a cruising cat, a washer and dryer.is almost a requirement as well . I do like the cup holders and coin tray in the cockpit, though. How many toll booths are there on the waterways? LOL How much? For a charter boat, I think it will do well, but for a blue water cruiser, need something more, a lot more.
This is NOT a cruising Cat IMHO...Not set up for long passages. That helm for 99% of liveaboard cruisers is NOT an option, and the nav station has to be inside front forward facing for those long passages with weather as well...Boat builders need to understand what REAL CRUISERS want and not make what they think THEY want...I don't seem them selling many of these with the current layout. As some have said, maybe for a day sailer possibly, on clear blue skies, but not for a serious cruiser going around the world that deals with varying weather conditions.
This boat only makes sense as a charter boat. The design is underwhelming. Although there seems to be tons of storage there's a lot of waisted space. The owner's side (VIP side, let's be real) has a really nice layout though. Minus the extra sink.
Brilliant helm design, all those other stupid cats with helms sticking out the top, must be what motorboaters want when switching from power to a cat, being a sailor I love the proper helms on this boat
Dont usually flow with the masses but yeah that helm . . . Or should I say those helm stations are HORRIBLE and no salon nav..... FP is still my favorite
Helm stations are totally unprotected and feel so unsafe with no proper forward vision. And all these ropes all over the place.... Seriously I wonder what the designers had in mind designing this cat. No nav station inside either. Don't know who would ever buy such boat. Not me for sure!
no interior nav station? absolutely idiotic considering you only have exterior unprotected helms, why cant these companies actually hire real cruisers and sailors to design a functioning boat and have brain dead inexperienced book smart engineers to make them structurally sound? why do these manufactures not put double sinks in the galley? I've never been in a kitchen in my life that didn't have a double sink! massive single sink is pointless, and wastes water. how do those rear helm seats work if your fishing? they don"t!!! why run sheeting in the hulls just to have them come out too soon and waste what could have been a wonderful location for a day bed and is now totally wasted space. this boat was clearly designed by someone with no practical sailing experience IMHO not to be all negative the interior of the hulls living quarters were quite nice and spacious side note for you Wiley, when your trying to promote a product you should use proper words and terms to represent it. eg. consequences are a negative point, benefits are a positive point! you stated the consequences of the duel exterior helms is this wide open and spacious cock pit. well that's not a negative that's a positive, there fore you should have used "benefit" or another positive term to state that, sales pitches and the words you use mater and you need to use positive terminology not negative terminology. thanks for another video, but a shame you hyped this boat up so much as it is a complete disappointment, that's why I thumbs down the video
Since you're telling Willey what to say and how to say it...allow me the same freedom.. When you want say "you are", you use *You're* ...for instance, it's not "when your fishing" but rather "when you're fishing"... Id10t....
You both need to remember that Wiley is doing us a favour by showing us this cat and restrict the comments to the cat itself. For me the helms and lack of a nav station are complete dealbreakers. The designers have failed from my point of view.
The lack of nav station really doesn't bother me at all. Earlier in my career I worked as a delivery captain, and have done plenty of big offshore passages... I can't think of ever sitting at the nav station plotting or anything like that... With modern electronics the nav station is becoming irrelevant in my opinion. The helms is work for you or they don't. I've never been too thrilled about twin helms due to the exposure. On this boat they did a great job protecting them. It might be a hard thing to show in video, but easy to see when onboard. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
@@itzanopinion thanks constructive criticism is always welcome, and yes my spelling is bad. but whats wrong with constructive criticism? only lunatic liberals are offended by it cause they think they're perfect, and for your information, its spelt Idiot you hypocrite.(edited as I wouldn't want another spelling mistake to offend you so much)
My background is as a captain. I would have no problems taking this boat offshore. I'm delivering the first North American Excess 12 from Annapolis to Florida next month. I can't wait to give you guys an update from that trip
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I'm a Lagoon 380 owner (my first sailboat), and I'm learning what I like and don't like. There are some issues with the Excess that would be a dealbreaker or an issue for me.
Dealbreakers:
1. Those helms. I want to see the corners of my boat when I'm docking/manuvering. They also feel dangerous and exposed-like you'd fall off the end and nobody would notice because you're waaaaay back there. I am a flybridge person. I know the 380 doesn't really have a flybridge, but I'm tall and if I stand on my tiptoes with the top open it's almost one.
2. Stove next to the stairs. I tend to reach up and grab either side of the wall to pull myself up through the opening faster. Grabbing the edge of a hot stove is no bueno. Even worse-hit some crazy seas and having a hot pan of whatever spilling over into the cabins-no.
3. No seat in the shower. I don't like shaving my legs with no place to rest my foot, and forget about trying to do that while underway. The L380 has a nice seat.
Aggravating:
1. The windows are so high in the cabins you can't see out of them. It's really nice to sit in bed at night and watch the water lapping on by and see the twinkling lights on the water. The windows are so high I would feel like I'm sleeping in a barrel or a basement apartment, and neither one of those feels luxe to me. I like a room with a view no matter where it is.
2. The retractable awning. I feel like it'd be noisy and flappy in the wind. I get enough sun out on the water; I want a permanent awning. I can go forward if I want sunshine.
3. Orange. As long as there's another option that's fine, but if you're making me have Brady Bunch orange, that's an issue.
4. The extra freezer is in a really awkward spot. Nobody likes getting on their hands and knees to go fetch more food. I'd raise it and make it a washer/dryer.
5. That super long bowsprit costs you more money in the marina where they charge by the foot. The budgeter in me is like, is that gonna be worth it?
So there's my 2c as a probable move up catamaran owner in a few years. I know the sailboat market is very male driven, but it'd be nice if they could get some women in there to help design it. After all, it was a woman who recommended to Lee Iacocca to add cupholders to the first minivan...
not too sure they have solved the forward views from the helm
Those cameras are actually part of some testing they are doing for ray marine on some new augmented reality. They will offer some sort of camera, but from my vantage point I could see unobstructed from both helms.
@Geoff Strebel probably something like this.
www.mygreenoutdoors.com/raymarine-cam220-day-night-ip-marine-eyeball-camera-e70347/
Would be good for seeing forward in limited visibility, especially from those helm stations. Available on the Raymarine display.
You could also get a pan and tilt IR camera to go on the front deck, which would be good for nighttime docking, or low-light navigation.
www.mygreenoutdoors.com/cameras-network-video/?sort=bestselling&page=1
The price difference is substantial, and the jump up to the next camera will really scare you!
Why do they put the stove next to the stairs. Not good.
Why wouldn't they fix the creaky hinges on those doors for a showboat? I mean it would only take a little effort to show a boat without defects right? Or maybe they don't want to set an expectation on a well built boat? It's too bad, I was really looking forward to this more performance orientated line from groupe beneteau.
Thats part of the challenge with showing the prototype hull there are a number of things they've fixed and tweaked for the boats going into production.
That also drove me nuts. A little bit of graphite lubricant will make all of those quiet. It's such an easy fix.
Great video Wiley. Fairly underwhelming is my first impression of the boat. Was really expecting a lot more.
Thanks for the feedback. What would you have liked to see different? I'd love to get you onboard. Any plans to come to the Annapolis Show?
@@catamarancentral for me, and I can't speak for Nathan, a charter boat, a weekender in the Bahamas, or even a week or two in the islands, sure, this would be great. A couple with a couple of kids who wants to head off for adventures for six or nine months a year, pulling up anchor every couple of weeks to head somewhere else, I don't think this is the boat for them. Not calling it a 'party boat', but I wouldn't put this on my short list of liveaboard cruisers, either.
@@GaryMCurran - I am rooted firmly in the category of 'wannabe sailor' but agree entirely. The original promo vid promised something of a rock 'n roll tearaway but ended up a bit Nickelback! ! :)
I think they have certainly attempted a foray into Outremer territory with the outboard helms (sorry Wiley mate, can't agree that "they have done a 'great job of protecting them" - there isn't any!!) but of course no daggerboards and no real performance I guess. I like the boutique-hotel style interior but I really can't see what market share they are aiming for here. Whose got half a million plus to spend on a day/weekend sailer?? As my dear Gran would say, "it's neither fish nor fowl'. Not for me.
Great to see you back Wiley!
Dont really like the helm layout but nice boat
The helm isn't for everyone. I would still recommend checking her out. I was skeptical until I got onboard last month for the first time.
I really thought I'd like this boat from static drawings. Forget exposed helms for a minute, I was lost at placement of galley sink. It's actually in the corner... you'll have to partially reach over the stove. Wouldn't want to wash dishes over a week in that position unless I had a chiropractor as crew. And that retracting cockpit cover greatly reduces area for solar. Seems a gimmick from monohulls that isnt needed on a cat. You need sun shelter more than you think. Sun out on trampolines, shade at back. Probably sell quite a few for charter in Med or Caribbean, not many will sell as owner/live aboard.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and respond. It isn't as bad as it looks. That being said, this boat was the prototype hull and they are still tweaking the design. Ii do like having one large sink versus two small sinks. I've spent too much time onboard boats where the sinks have been too small to be practical.
Luckily the retractable sunroof is an option. I'd probably not order the boat with it, and put solar up there.
Yes , I agree about the sink . I HATE doing the dishes at the best of times , but as soon as I saw what "I " considered to be very poor placement of the sink ( judging from what I could see in the video ) .
I realize that every boat is not for everyone , one issue or another , and obviously , as they designed it that way , they don't believe it to be an issue ... ( No such thing as a perfect .....anything )
But , for me , anyway , That right there was pretty much a show stopper .
Even if a dishwasher was added , you'd still hate that sink ( location ). And then, although you'd have a dishwasher , now you're really giving up storage space .
It's like you say re the Chiropractor on crew . you always be twisting , and then the stove is right there ...( burns ? )
And this is all is point of view from a right-hander , I would imagine this would be even worse for the left-handed world .
I get it , this is first couple hulls out , and so tweaking to be done going forward , will be interesting to see what the market dictates.
My thoughts ... maybe not yours...
Nice looking boat, no nav station though, and those exposed helms are a big no from us......
Thanks for the response. For me the nav station isn't an important feature. With these helms... You either love them or hate them.
Have to agree the helm stations aft and no nav station are an issue. Pretty boat for sure but these two things are a non starter.
About time eh Wiley? Seems nice here on the video. Noticed the lack of a saloon nav station though. Is that an option?
No interior nav station.
Where was the Nav station ? indoors i hope.....
No nav station. There is an option for electronics inside, but not a traditional nav station. Boat designers and builders are moving away from nav stations.
It would be nice if there is a video showing some details about the Canoe Booms. Pros and Cons on having it and so on.
Great job showing her good looks inside and out. Would like an in depth mechanical walk through if possible in the future.
Already in the works. Its a bit tough at times with the boat show going on.
Excellent, in guessing there is an interior nav/control station?
There is not a traditional nav station on the boat.
Yeah those helm positions are an absolute dealbreaker for me too. It seems like a great design for a charter boat though, which is probably who they are targeting with this design. Hopefully they come out with future models targeted for cruisers that will include a proper helm position and interior nav station because I do like the overall look and feel of the design.
There is an option to add interior plotter and controls. The reality is, most modern yacht designers are moving away from the traditional nav station.
Intereresting...not sure about nav station and helm positions and square edges in finishing, but looks amazing. I'm in Cannes looking at other boats - I'll be sure to stop by and look at this one too.
Definitely come say hi. Where are you in from?
Complicated. Canadian, live in Switzerland and South of France. Looking to get a boat - likely to keep in Grenada to use 6 months at a time - about 18-24 months. Coming to show tomorrow - looking at Amel and FP and others (single vs multi-hull discussion still ongoing).
Don't do the monohull thing... Trust me ;)
How is that helm nice protected???
Wiley, great tour. Love your videos. I do agree that master stateroom is very nice. The double vanity, shower and large open cabin is very nice.
I hate to be repetitive, but I'd have a hard time convincing my wife on those helm stations. She would not feel safe. I'm also not sure if those seats look very comfortable either.
Regarding no interior helm station. I agree that is the current trend. I like what FP is doing with the Elba 45 in this regard. I think I'd rather have a large iPad that is connected to the main helm station and be comfortable in the salon seating area.
Good review video. Would have like to see the rear nav protection solution. Finishes look pretty good. Stove/burner adjoining companionway and no forward nav station definitely takes it out of consideration.
For those wondering where the NAV Station is, I believe I found it at the time marks below. I believe its located inside the salon on the port forward side. Look for the flexible microphone, and next to that a flip up section that is probably hiding the navigation display, as well as some cubbies and other flip ups possibly.
Time marks:
4:23-4:27 - th-cam.com/video/LqpYIdGyOc8/w-d-xo.html
4:52 - th-cam.com/video/LqpYIdGyOc8/w-d-xo.html
5:04 - th-cam.com/video/LqpYIdGyOc8/w-d-xo.html (up close shot)
Alsop check out the Excess 15 Layout from there website. There seems to also be some cubbies and other possible equipment a bit aft of the microphone area..
Layout - excess-catamarans.com/our-catamarans/excess-15#layout
Virtual Visit - excess-catamarans.com/our-catamarans/excess-15#virtualvisit
Major highlight of this boat is obviously the SPACE and STORAGE, however, IMHO that does not offset the poor helm positions IN WEATHER and the lack of a dedicated Nav station that you can sit at and face forward for watches and when in weather conditions.
Hi. Great walkthrough, thanks for that. Quick question - is there an option for a dishwasher and washing machine? If so, where are these located?
Yes. The dishwasher goes in the galley, so you lose some storage. The washing machine goes in the port companion way.
I liked the colors they used, usually only see blues and greys, the orange look is a great contrast.
Doesn't look like the best helm position.
You should come check out the helm position.
Very nice Wiley! I am actually excited to see more of your videos on this one. Hopefully you plan on sharing some footage from your upcoming Annapolis -> FL delivery!
Thumbs up for the quick pano
Great video, and beautiful cat. Is there any option to fully enclose the helm, or does the aft location make it completely unfeasible?
I’ve been watching Cruising Off Duty’s transatlantic X5 crossing. Their fully enclosed helm seems to have been invaluable.
There is a full enclosure for the helm and cockpit. When I was onboard her in Bordeaux they had the enclosures up. Very well protected from the elements.
Gorgeous boat! Are they going to make any where the Helm is not on the real hull?
Thanks. I'm not quite sure I understand your question?
Wiley Sharp Catamaran Expert Are they planning on making any with a bulkhead helm in the future?
Hey Wiley!! I think they forgot something on this new boat. A NAV STATION! The twin helm stations would be great on a warm sunny day but how about a wet windy and cold rough day with cold sea water slapping you in the face all the time... Brrrrrrrrrr! The Master stateroom is NICE!
Thats what an enclosure is for. Not to mention... From my time offshore... When the weather is snotty I'm sitting in the cockpit with the autopilot on.
As always great job giving us a first look at a beautiful boat. I am struggling with the helm position and the lack of a interior nav station but if that's the way the industry is moving we will see how well these boats are received. I do love the lines of the boat and it looks like they really have a great design team.
Wiley nice vid thx. But I kept looking at the Outremers. They should not have tied up next to the three supermodels.
Looks Nice wiley
Will keep my antares 44 catamaran 2017
Thanks for watching. Hope you are having some fun on the water somewhere.
Amazing boat but I'm not sold on the after helm stations :(
Nice job!
I noticed, the stove is adjacent to the stairs going down to the port hull. Are there restraints of any kind to prevent a person from accidentally tumbling down the stairs while performing cooking duties?
I think there is plenty of gap and space in-between. The import thing is that the galley is not split by a companion way, which can be very dangerous and seen on somme other boats currently on the market.
I don't like the helm layout. Outside? Is that a good thing during long passages?
Love the CQP & Semi-walk-a-rounds! The all one-level cockpit is a fantastic benefit of the aft helm positions! What is the difference between a canoe boom, and the park avenue boom?
It is just perspective or is the mast fairly far aft, guess the foretriangle ist huge? Is that an electrically adjustable traveler?
No Nav station?
No nav station.
Thanks Wiley!
Yah, cool boat. Love the layout but I gotta say it. Those helms, they are deal breakers for me. Hopefully the powers that be, will give an alternative option.
The helms aren't for everyone. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
What about a tour of the 12?
I imagine there's already a line out the door to buy these.
I love the layout but have to agree with the helm positions, they are just too exposed. I fell in love with Nautitec Cats a few years ago at Annapolis but couldn’t get over the helms. Of course they came out with the Fly but that isn’t much better. Enjoy Cannes Wiley! I had fun yacht shopping there last December.
Whats the specs for your camera rig....seems to work out nicely.
Any chance you can share a price list with us?
Shoot me an email, and if you're in our dealer territory I'll send it over to you. If you're outside of our territory I'll put you in contact with the right person.
Can you get a hardtop instead of that retractable awning cuz when it rains in the Bahamas that kind of looks like a balloon even if it has ribs after while that's going to be a big problem and where is the indoor nav and washing machine was a room for one peace Vegas bill and I didn't hear how much
Unless you are holding your camera at groin-height there is no way that you will see the Starboard Bow from the Aft Port Helm station ... and vice-versa.
1:39 & 3:01 --- what's up with those Trip-Wires - I mean if you are hiding it for that distance why not hide it all the way ???
Otherwise, nicely appointed ...
Thats some good feedback. It would be very easy for them to do. It isn't really a place you'd pass through normally, but making them captive would be easy.
Nice boat, but worth all the hype?
Seems there are a lot of negative comments on those outboard helms. I know I don’t like them.
Thanks Wiley, I always enjoy your videos. I don't know why some viewers knock your pano's (spelling?) they really add to the experience. On the next walkthru can you say "let's do another frikkin pano" 😄 Keep up the great work!
Is that a beer fridge in the shower, or a shampoo holder?
Hi Wiley,
Shame that this great looking cat has fallen far short of the mark for me.
The helm stations are a dealbreaker for me (very limited protection from the weather if any and far too close to the transom cutting off accessibility to the sugarscoops when in use, also still very limited visibility) even a fly bridge would have been far better. A raised sports helm at the saloon bulkhead, port or starboard, would have been the preferred option. Don’t these designers listen to the blue water cruisers who have many years Bluewater cruising experience? This is a real disappointment from a builder that until now had a fairly good reputation.
With no nav station inside is also a dealbreaker and a huge mistake by the designers.
They should have also included a provision for a washer drier in addition to a double sink in the galley.
The cockpit roof should have been solid to provide realestate for solar panels, the more the better.
Also the dingy Davit seems very low, which in bad weather could be a problem with the seas slapping the dingy. A swing lift Davit would have been far better raising the dingy up higher by at least 2 more feet.
The internal cabins do look very good and spacious with ample storage.
The saloon looks good except for the missing nav station and the missing double galley sink.
I really think that excess need to go back to the drawing board with this design if they want to make a real mark on the blue water cruising market. The major 2 items that need immediate modification are the helm station and the inside nav station. The rest can be done as options.
Once again for me they are nowhere near the level of the other production cat manufacturers with this design.
I am looking forward to a full in depth review and walkthrough of all aspects and spaces of this cat.
Sounds like more of a Day Sailer Catamaran than a Blue Water Cruising Catamaran.
Canyon Duncan exactly right, they have made a big mistake there.
No Nav station in the Salon?
That was a really well shot and narrated video. Most walk through vids have God awful music and camera angles that focus on the floor or ceiling. Seriously, I watch a lot of yacht vids and this was a good one. :) cheers
What is CAD . , forget about the boat shows impressions and further develop the platform , look at Neel and how they have struggled. That’s it fro me W . I am with you...
.saleh 🔴
Hm. Never was a Fan of those open Helms aft. They could be alot of Fun at Sailing/Regatta Conditions - but as a Cruiser? The most Time a Autopilot will do the work and for long Nightwatches, I prefer a more protected Helm. The Lack of a Nav Station ist a Bummer in my Eyes, what better Place for Watches in rough Seas while Passagemaking could one have?
Saloon looks that open, because no Navstation and a more - how to put it? - "artificial" Galley. The Shape of the Galley asbolutely isnt my Taste, to open, not very secure ...
Very nice Layout in the Hulls, but on the same Hand (wide Hulls) i seethis Boat isnt very fast. Overall I see some of Lagoon in it, but lacking my Essecials I dont like it. I had very high Expectations, but now I am a little disappointed. So far I stick to "my" Seawind Cats. This is my personal Opinion.
May I please one for each coast? Is that too greedy of me? lol
Just two? ;). Thanks for watching as always.
not sure if it has changed but I have never been impressed with their build quality even compared to other french production boats like Janneau
They are built by the same builders as Jeanneau. These are the first boats built. I'm happy with the quality on the first two hulls.
The sink should be moved out a bit. Be hard to do dishes with the oven in the way. Beautiful boat
Don’t see any hand rails for stairs to cabins, I’m guessing this is just a fair weather boat as there are a few other rails that seem to be missing, no water collectors on roof, maybe designers aren’t sailors and just came from designing condo’s.
Position of helm stations would make this a nonstarter for lots of customers.
Not really sure about helm position and were is the inside nav station .... imagine sailing on bad weather completely unprotected position. ..
why no nav station ?
No nav station?
No nav station? Or did I miss it? And agree with the others, view from the helms was not that good. Every door you opened squeaked. Looked beautiful but the lack of Nav station and the helm view make this a deal killer for me.
Those helm stations still can't convince me at all! Triple no..... Rest of the boat is ok, nothing really new or inventive!
Come check them out before passing judgement. I was very apprehensive when I saw the first drawings and convinced after spending time on the boat.
@@catamarancentral yes, good point too, but I still don't like this helm station setup anyhow. I rather go with the Outremer tiller setup and more less protected wheel helm
Where’s nav station?
Price please...
Shoot me an email. If you are in our dealer territory I'd happily send you the price list, and if not I can put you in touch with the person you need to speak with.
Like your channel Wiley you got the camera work down pat.now on to the boat, the visibility issue is not solved,the layout is allover the place I expected much better from those guys it's basically a lagoon with clumsy helms sharp corners and ropes for safety rails, I won't go on the overall impression is underwhelming done with good fit and finish. They can do much better than this
#multiquickpano No nav station, not sure I like the helm seats.
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Thanks for watching!
Definitely not for me. Sorry. Island hopping maybe. Cruising big water --- no thanks.
I'm not in a positionto buy any sailboat right now, but here's my take away on this. I would not buy this as a cruising yacht. If I was buying a catamaran, it would be for the purpose of circumnavigation. To that end, it means at times, weeks on end in open blue water, with no land in sight. There is no way that I want open helm stations like on this, or a Catana, or any other performance catamaran. I want mine up higher, but completely surrounded by weather protection. I also want to feel secure, something I don't think I would way back at the top of the sugar scoop.
Also, access to the engine and mechanical space is right under the helm seat, and a bit too far back for me I think it's too close to the edge of the boat, and not good if you're trying to work at night in a sea.
From an aesthetics po.int of view, I don't like th layout of the galley. I prefer a 'U' shaped galley were you can brace yourself in a sea. Having something on either side of you just makes it feel better. On a purely nitpick point, a double bowl sink in the kitchen is almost a necessity. For a cruising cat, a washer and dryer.is almost a requirement as well .
I do like the cup holders and coin tray in the cockpit, though. How many toll booths are there on the waterways? LOL
How much? For a charter boat, I think it will do well, but for a blue water cruiser, need something more, a lot more.
Nice looking cat but no nav-station or inside Watch Place = Not for me,
This is NOT a cruising Cat IMHO...Not set up for long passages. That helm for 99% of liveaboard cruisers is NOT an option, and the nav station has to be inside front forward facing for those long passages with weather as well...Boat builders need to understand what REAL CRUISERS want and not make what they think THEY want...I don't seem them selling many of these with the current layout. As some have said, maybe for a day sailer possibly, on clear blue skies, but not for a serious cruiser going around the world that deals with varying weather conditions.
Weird design with the boat helm aft controlling station way out back under the element. Guess the boat is design to just dock. 👎
This boat only makes sense as a charter boat. The design is underwhelming. Although there seems to be tons of storage there's a lot of waisted space. The owner's side (VIP side, let's be real) has a really nice layout though. Minus the extra sink.
Brilliant helm design, all those other stupid cats with helms sticking out the top, must be what motorboaters want when switching from power to a cat, being a sailor I love the proper helms on this boat
Dont usually flow with the masses but yeah that helm . . . Or should I say those helm stations are HORRIBLE and no salon nav..... FP is still my favorite
harbour cruiser...
Buy some WD40.
Frick
Helm stations are totally unprotected and feel so unsafe with no proper forward vision. And all these ropes all over the place.... Seriously I wonder what the designers had in mind designing this cat. No nav station inside either. Don't know who would ever buy such boat. Not me for sure!
no interior nav station? absolutely idiotic considering you only have exterior unprotected helms, why cant these companies actually hire real cruisers and sailors to design a functioning boat and have brain dead inexperienced book smart engineers to make them structurally sound? why do these manufactures not put double sinks in the galley? I've never been in a kitchen in my life that didn't have a double sink! massive single sink is pointless, and wastes water. how do those rear helm seats work if your fishing? they don"t!!!
why run sheeting in the hulls just to have them come out too soon and waste what could have been a wonderful location for a day bed and is now totally wasted space.
this boat was clearly designed by someone with no practical sailing experience IMHO
not to be all negative the interior of the hulls living quarters were quite nice and spacious
side note for you Wiley, when your trying to promote a product you should use proper words and terms to represent it. eg. consequences are a negative point, benefits are a positive point! you stated the consequences of the duel exterior helms is this wide open and spacious cock pit. well that's not a negative that's a positive, there fore you should have used "benefit" or another positive term to state that, sales pitches and the words you use mater and you need to use positive terminology not negative terminology.
thanks for another video, but a shame you hyped this boat up so much as it is a complete disappointment, that's why I thumbs down the video
Since you're telling Willey what to say and how to say it...allow me the same freedom..
When you want say "you are", you use *You're* ...for instance, it's not "when your fishing" but rather "when you're fishing"...
Id10t....
You both need to remember that Wiley is doing us a favour by showing us this cat and restrict the comments to the cat itself. For me the helms and lack of a nav station are complete dealbreakers. The designers have failed from my point of view.
The lack of nav station really doesn't bother me at all. Earlier in my career I worked as a delivery captain, and have done plenty of big offshore passages... I can't think of ever sitting at the nav station plotting or anything like that... With modern electronics the nav station is becoming irrelevant in my opinion.
The helms is work for you or they don't. I've never been too thrilled about twin helms due to the exposure. On this boat they did a great job protecting them. It might be a hard thing to show in video, but easy to see when onboard.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
@@alanpiper9614 its constructive criticism, as a former sales rep, and positive advice, I did thank him as well, so your point is mute
@@itzanopinion thanks constructive criticism is always welcome, and yes my spelling is bad.
but whats wrong with constructive criticism? only lunatic liberals are offended by it cause they think they're perfect, and for your information, its spelt Idiot you hypocrite.(edited as I wouldn't want another spelling mistake to offend you so much)
looks total dangerous to helm
My background is as a captain. I would have no problems taking this boat offshore. I'm delivering the first North American Excess 12 from Annapolis to Florida next month. I can't wait to give you guys an update from that trip
Stop with the lame "panos"...
Never...
The pano is a Wiley Signature and actually very useful for viewers to soak up the details....you can always skip..
@@towhitby1 just like you can skip replying to conversations that dont pertain to you!😉...
They do pertain to me because I want them to continue...
Double pano next time. Dedicate it to Michael Ryan.
No interior nav station?