Manhunter - A Comic Ahead of Its Time by Archie Goodwin + Walter Simonson w/Klaus Janson on color
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Archie Goodwin was such a kind and benevolent man--an absolute prince. He was open and encouraging to new talent and inspired some of the greatest works during his time at Marvel's helm. The comics world shall not see his like again.
I'm not a big comic guy, I know some but not a whole lot. At minute 14 when Tom said this 1973 I became extremely impressed. I was thinking this was 82 or something presaging what was to come by a few years. A decade and a half?? Amazing.
Truthfully...I was a Johnny Come Late to this particular comic book. In some ways it ruined stuff like Steranko's Fury issues for me. Simonson's art in Manhunter is light years ahead of anyone at that time...
This is one of the first storylines that a main character sacrificing himself and as far as I know he has not been brought back to life, unless you count the clones that survived. Simonson’s art is one of the first artists in American comics to show ninja type action before Frank Miller perfected it.
Fantastic series. I remember getting the occasional DC 100 pagers with the Manhunter back ups. Blew my tiny mind.
I now have all of the collected version except for the artist edition (one day, it will be mine).
My favourite version is the first collected edition from 1979. B&W magazine sized. Simonson's art just pops off the page.
Great video guys. Thanks for diving into this one. 👍
Walt Simonson was one of a handful of artists whose work from the outset caused me to stand up and take notice. Outside of Neal Adams and Jim Steranko, no one else blew me away like he did with their first outing. I bought every issue of that Manhunter run in Detective (I was 14 at the time). BTW, every new Batman story in the front of the book, written by Archie Goodwin and drawn by incredible artists (Aparo, Amendola, Chaykin, Alex f*ing Toth, and finally Simonson). The reprint stories between the originals also were exceptional. I've kept those issues since I was a kid.
I still have a copy of the late 70's black and white trade paper collection that I had Walt and Archie sign back in the 80's. LOVE it. This lead me to Simonson's Alien translation from Heavy Metal.
One of my ABSOLUTELY favorite comics!! Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson did a brilliant job with the series!
Fantastic comic, way ahead of its time.
It is a master class in comic writing, pacing, scene blocking, etc. Required reading for any comic creator wannabe. This. Is. My. Jam! I did a whole video comic series on this, and I wish I could do it all over again! I fell for this collection when the anniversary edition was published.
Ah, what an incredible story. Simonson starts so good and gets even better in such a short amount of time.
Fun fact: the tourist family from "Cathedral Perilous" also shows up later in Simonson's Thor!
That's hilarious. Also, I wonder if Simonson was deliberately vague about the kid dropping the toy gun, because he wanted to avoid any possible static from the Comics Code Authority people concerning the fact that a child deliberately causes a grown man to suffer a cranial injury, and in a way that real kids could imitate.
Anybody else think that the orange and green costume worn by Dan Kingdom looks a lot like the costume worn by "Just a Guy Named Joe" in Amazing Spider-Man #38, the final Ditko issue?
Bought this as it was coming out, then bought it 4 different times in various collections. Simonson is as good as it gets when it comes to comic art.
Klaus Janson is a highly underrated colorist. Check out his Punisher run for a master class on coloring for newsprint.
I was maybe 7-8 years old when Manhunter was published in the Swedish DC anthology "Gigant" around 1975 (?) and even then I was like "whoa" and re-read it more times than anything else superhero at the time. I still think it holds up in lots of ways. Also, the way of doing sound effects reminds me a lot of Howard Chaykin (who guess was contemporary). Actually, I believe Fahfrd and the Grey Mouser (or maybe it was called Sword of Sorcery then) was published in the same anthology at around the same time, and both Chaykin and Simonson worked on that. Maybe a Cartoonist Kayfabe on that? ;)
Great video. I read this first in 1973, the explosion panel on the end was there since that time!
Hoohah! Great job,guys! I read these tales in the back of Detective Comics! Archie Goodwin is on point and Walter Simonson was something graphically creative in page design! I absolutely love this stuff! DC finally woke up and put the damn thing in hardcover! 2023 will be the 50th anniversary of Manhunter! Keep up the great work, guys! Thanks!
Holy carpe diem, Batman! 50 years? :\
Mine eyes did see this first run in newsprint as a kid. I could kick myself for not still having it! I do still have a copy of this exact first reprint. I can tell you that the colors are exactly the same . This was an early Baxter-Stock printing made before digitalization . So the colors are cleaner.the only effect newsprint gave it was a mild Zip-A-Tone quality. Something Simonson didn’t need or use.
I think the person(s) he was most emulating were Wood, and, to much extent, Eisner. Frank Miller became more known for this simply because he was more vocal. Simonsons work came to more prominence the same time as Miller’s in the 80’s with Thor and Starslammers, but it was less detailed, more streamlined for monthly deadlines. He has rarely -if ever- returned to this level of work since. It remains his best.
Many like myself didn’t initially connect that this was the Simon/Kirby character (even though it was explained in the origin), until the material was reprinted many years later. And briefly included in All Star Squadron. Future devotees notwithstanding.
Side note 1: here’s how much Eisner has had influence. Imagine this exact style storytelling, but the story is Kill Bill. Or Machete. Tarantino and Rodriguez owe a debt in my opinion. R.I.P. Archie Goodwin.
Side note 2: Recently DC. made an “original “ animated movie Batman: Soul of the Dragon. Set in 1973 with nearly the same premise. They should’ve just made this. Would’ve got better mileage. But then, many modern “creators” seldom learn the lessons of a rich history. It’s like breaking rules without bothering to learn what they are.
Before I get too far off the rails, I’ll just say that’s why I’m glad channels like this exist… !
There's also a deluxe hardback version, and an oversized Artists edition too! 12.50 the 'Aeon Flux' gun is a pretty accurate real world gun called a broom handle Mauser, or a C96 or 1916 Mauser. It's the base gun for Han Solo's blaster in Star Wars. Seen again at 15.43 in profile.
I read this in monthly installments, and it has been one of my all-time favorites ever since. The first "adult" comics run that I read.
Read this when I was about 10 years old: Simonson's artwork was so radical (the sequence at the end of "Gotterdaammerung" was etched on my wee little neurons along with Adams and Kirby.
I've got the special edition with Simonson's solo, silent conclusion--he and Goodwin had worked on the idea, but it was Louise (Walt's wife) who suggested making it a dialogue-less tale. An excellent coda to an incredible tale. 🖖♾
I loved that series. Walter has always been one of my favorites.
I discovered these Simonson stories as reprints in the 70s and was my first true love of comics in general. The c96 Broom-handle Mouser that he used was significant to his character since it had to do with his age. Very cool gun. The bullets are very small and it can be fired all at once when turned fully auto but I think it holds only ten rounds. Man hunter was a true bad ass! I think these stories influenced even Star Wars.
there's an homage in the Shadow (1987 2nd Series DC) #7 featuring the cowboy kid
I saw these backups when they 1st came out, but just wasn't caught up by them, though loved the costume. I remember seeing him in one of the giant 100 pagers or so (when each comic put out at least one) with Batman too, but just barely. He didn't get my attention until around '79 or '80 when I got a fistful of Secret Society of Super-Villains from the 10 cent and 25 cent boxes that had him teaming up with Gorilla Grodd, Captain Cold, Bullseye, Star Sapphire and more and actually taking down GL and facing off against Dark Seid. Then I grabbed up everything I could having idea he was already "dead" and gone. But even all these decades later that costume is unforgettable.
A character that has always eluded me. Can't wait to see this. Thanks.
Ed and Tom name dropping Alex Niño and Nestor Redondo, means it’s time for Cartoonist Kayfabe to do one featuring artists from the original Filipino invasion.
The opening really feels like an Eisner story. The Batman books in this era were pretty experimental and a lot of the newer generation of artists got their shot. Marshall Rogers, probably one of the first to show the influence of Simonson (even to the point of using sound effects lettering as a graphic element) also started out doing back-ups in Detective on a serial that concluded with him graduating to the lead Batman strip.
A comic that made me love comics ( along with the DC The Shadow book of the time ). Nice video guys and much appreciated. For another early Walt classic try Detective Comics 450.
Not gonna lie, I prefer the gold “special edition” over the deluxe, as it’s the same content but the paper mutes the colors a bit to a great effect. Now when they release an absolute I’m there! Someone sell me their artists edition!
Manhunter's pistol appears to be modelled on a C96 Mauser. Mike Grell's Sable used something similar, and it was also the base for Han Solo's blaster in Star Wars - it's a classic design.
There is an Artist Edition of this out there and I know you love those!
Man, I loved Simonson's Star Slammers.
BTW... you guys should dig up old issues of Epic or Heavy Metal.
And now I need to reread this. It’s an amazing strip.
I was probably about six years old and I didn’t get everything that was happening in the story. But it was a hell of a story! I’m binge watching young justice right now and I could see elements of it relating to this particular story.
wow great call on the Aeon Flux similarities. i totally see it. and i feel like theres also similar feel in the fight choreography and some of the chosen viewing angles in general, like some of the panels @16:14 ... very cool stuff ^_^
Thanks fellas for reminding me of this one, gonna pull it for a read along.
I actually missed the original Manhunter series and was onto The Manhunter 1988 series by Ostrander. Overall I prefer the work of Simonson & Goodwin besides a few choice panels of action. The all red suit w/metal mask just came off like a real samurai/ronin-ninja, it worked for me.
DC let Roger Slifer put out a black and white TPB. He was going to do a Shade by Steve Ditko b/w reprint after.
I own the comic. Cool.
Klaus Janson colours are great.
The current version (released earlier this year) is an oversized, quite inexpensive hardcover. It includes the additional silent story and I can't recommend it highly enough.
This was a good period for DC at the time.
Mentioning Nestor Redondo, I believe his best work was in Rima, The Jungle Girl! Also, Mike Grell Warlord and Alex Nino with a space explorer type feature.
Hey! Love the channel guys. Would you please as an addendum to this Manhunter video do a review of Goodwin and Simonson’s adaptation of Alien published by Heavy Metal circa 1979/1980? That joint freaked the bejesus out of me when I was about 12. Simonson’s double page splash of the chestburster is something to behold.
Great stuff.
Detective comics was my first favorite Batman comic and the extra stories in these books were also cool for me, but manhunter was the best and was what made me a simonson fan.
Finally! Instant thumbs up!
Back in the early 70s, I subscribed to Detective Comics and lived for every Manhunter issue. To correct your analysis, both the writing and story were unique and dynamic. It was a spy movie in comics!
My only disappointment with the last issue was how Simonson drew Batman. He was too skinny and the blue coloring was blah. I absolutely loved this book. Archie and Walt rocked my world in 1974!
Often imitated never duplicated.
20:05 While the mask is a classical design, I wonder if Simonson was influenced by the images in the 1963 Japanese horror film, "Onibaba"?
Looks like Mike Grell borrowed from this for his Jon Sable comic. Guns a broomhandle Mauser aka Han Solo's blaster to geeks.
Kinda reminds me of Todd!?