i've said it before and i'll say it again: medical neglect from doctors to women / girls is one of the biggest issues in the business these days, i'm 17 and when i was 13 i nearly died from kidney issues after my male doctor told me i just had bad posture. thank you for bringing awareness
Gives the same vibe as parents saying the reason kids have depression is because of being on the internet and absolutely nothing else. Really sorry that happened to you though, it’s really unfair and you didn’t deserve that. Glad you’re still here now.
I have chronic pain in my legs that affects me daily and the amount of times I’ve had tests and shit, and drs have just told me it’s all in my head. That hurts more than my legs tbh. Would just love someone to believe me at this point Idec about a diagnosis or cure
so frustrating that the doctors only took peggy’s symptoms seriously once other family members (including males) started to also get it. women are so so so frequently told their symptoms of serious health issues are psychological.
Tbf up to 1/4 of presentations to GP are functional in nature, it makes sense they would start to see a connection when more people got the symptoms. You react very differently if someone says the people they live with have the same symptoms, you start to question if it’s environmental or infectious
Completely agree with you here i feel that when theres something medically wrong with someone there should be tests upon test, INCLUDING a urine test, so why on earth wasnt it tested when she first got brought in.
@@Hajar-eu2inyes really…women are not taken seriously by medical professionals. if u add having visible mental health disorders in your notes it makes it all that much harder. was told my pain was anxiety over and over, and just now finding out its smth more serious.
My family has a history of endometriosis.. so i researched it. They used to torture women with this condition, highly recommend googling it. It was all hysteria, or witchcraft, blame, accusations of being lazy or weak
I'm astounded by the massive amount of detective work and cross functional collaboration that went into this. Seriously. They tested practically everything in the house that could potentially poison you, they had coke testing their products, an undercover detective working the mark for an entire year? Just impressed how hard they worked to solve the case.
I don't think so, but maybe. The doctors gaslit the mom, trying to suggest that all of her symptoms were in her head...it wasn't until her children developed the same symptoms that they began to take the situation seriously. I believe at that point, they were concerned there could be a contaminated product that might put more of the public at risk...so it would be unreasonable not to put more resources into that suspicion. What strikes me is how long and how much effort it took (the undercover detective) to finally nail the guy. I'm aware that white privilege extends to white victims of crime in the investigative world, but it doesn't mean every solved crime involving a white victim is for that reason. Regardless of whatever the truth is, I'm glad they found the guy before he poisoned anyone else he didn't like. And if he'd have gotten away with those crimes, he'd for sure have gotten cocky enough to poison more people.
Peggy is my great aunt and the Mrs.Susan worked the case undercut alot longer than a year. She truly is a blessing to our family. The book Poison minds wrote by Jeff Goode and Ms. Susan worked together writing the book. I've listened to several podcasts about my aunt and I've not found 1 that has the complete story or the company truth.
@alix4434 The law did their job. They wanted justice for my family and who did this out of their community. This sick s.o.b almost took out a complete family including a small child. Its had Nothing to do with racism, An it took so long to figure out what was wrong because Nothing showed up. It wasn't until a Dr visiting the hospital where Peggy was on a different patient did they figure it out. So u see it was a visiting Dr who just so happened to be there at the right time
@bethmahadocon1887 yep. I was in hospital weekly by age 17 crippled with abdominal pain. Unable to walk, get out of bed, go to college or do any typical teenager things. The amount of times I was sent home with paracetamol and told that girls just have tummy pain some times. Even after years of this pain and being practically bed-ridden for years it was suggested every time I went in that it was Ovulation pain and basically I was just pathetic. They would laugh at me and tell me people don't scream like this during labour but still insist I wasn't in much pain. Can confirm after giving birth that labour wasn't as painful or hard to cope with because I knew what was happening and that it would end. I was still told I was pathetic during labour too! The NHS (and the entire world it seems) has very little respect for women.
Maybe I’ve just watched way too much true crime. But after the death threat and the issues with the neighbours once Peggy’s initial symptoms were described - poisoning was what came to mind. Tbh the unhinged nasty behaviour that some ppl are capable of has to be considered. I feel so bad for Peggy and her family.
Right! I was thinking the same thing. I wouldve reported the note AND the way the neighboor lady went "you wont get away with this". Like dont play with this stuff. Call me paranoid 🤷
The fact that he exposed his own crime speaks to who he is 😭. Thank you Eleanor for another video! Peggy’s death is such a tragedy…I hope her family has been able to find the peace they deserve.
@@chaska8144you can't imagine your muscles physically deteriorating nor being in unbearable amounts of pain. While it was partially the fact that she wasn't alone in it, they didn't believe her from the start, basically, so it WAS a gender issue, as always!
@@unsavourycharlatan they didnt believe her because she was the only one experiencing it, if it was a man we don't know if the same thing would happen. stop assuming for the worse
I can’t believe he resorted to trying to off the neighbours first and then they moved away anyways?! Love that ego can trip up intelligence, so poetic.
"They told her it was all psychological and in her head. Could you imagine being told that by medical profecionals?" Yes. Fibromyalgia and a crap-ton of other chronic ilnesses don't show on tests, so at some point doctors just tell you're most likely just depress and all your symptoms are all psychosomathic. 'Been told that a couple of times, and yes it does drives you mental.
I’ve had that conversation too. It’s infuriating. A spine specialist I was seeing after a car accident FINALLY explained to me what I had been dealing with for years was fibromyalgia. It came up in a random conversation with her while discussing symptoms about my spine injury and I had those specific symptoms before the accident. So now I have treatment for a disease I had suffered with for decades that other doctors had suggested was either in my mind or stress.
I got sciatica when I was 15 and all the doctors I talked to about my back pain said I couldn’t be in that much pain because I “was too young”. I had to see a nerve specialist to finally get diagnosed when I was 16. Can’t stand medical professionals sometimes.
I’m going through having crazy violent neighbors just like this, but without the poison. They’re also well respected in the town and have been getting off of any charges we bring against them. I have restraining orders on them but they constantly break it, by screaming at me yelling in my face, blocking me from leaving my home, false police reports on me. It’s insane. I’m getting a private investigator to collect the evidence of them stalking, assault, and harassing me. Hopefully something will be done soon, they’ve even gotten to the point of harassing my elderly grandparents by also screaming in their faces and making false reports on trespassing, even though they’re the ones actually trespassing on our land. Watching this puts into perspective on how crazy some neighbors will be, I’ll have to be more careful until the police actually look into them.
Im so sorry for you and your grandparents. It must be hell living next to a whole family of Karens. I do hope you find a way to get away from them. That kind of abuse can harm your self esteem. Good luck to you and your family.
I am so sorry this is happening to you and your family. Please make sure to tell other family members and friends or neighbours that if anything happens to you they should look into those neighbours. Also make sure to tell people if any of you are ever hospitalised and doctors cant find whats wrong you should be tested for poisoning. I know this is a worst case scenario and sounds like paranoia but better be save than sorry. It could save lifes ❤
I have a chronic illness and getting told it's all in your head bc the tests don't show anything is such a wild and degrading feeling, I'm glad they believed Peggy eventually!
I’m so sorry you have to deal with that. It’s bad in the US so I couldn’t imagine how much worst it could be there especially when they believe in rape to change someone’s sexual orientation. That’s just so messed up!
Things are bad in New Zealand, lots of pedos and weirdos, but from what I understand it's worse in South Africa. A freind of mine got drugged and gang raped in cape town
This case is absolutely insane! I will never understand how someone can go from not liking their neighbors to murdering them! Fantastic job telling the story as always, Eleanor!
For real! I don't like kids and I work nights, so I have to sleep during the day. I had neighbors with really rambunctious boys and honestly, I couldn't even be bothered enough to pay them any mind. Like, who cares? They're kids. That's what they do. They ain't just gonna stop being kids cause I said so 😆 Being upset and complaining all the time just takes too much effort... muchless planing a murder. He thought being an analytical person made him above being caught by the police. Now he's lost not only his peace of mind, but also his freedom and his life. In the words of the great poet DJ Khalid, "Congrats, you played yourself." 👏🏽
MENSA people are really annoying in general. High IQ just means you're good at passing a specific test, not that you're actually smarter than everyone else, but they like to be seen as clever. George writing his own murder for a murder mystery party and still expect to get away with it is the level of arrogance I'd expect from them. The death penalty does come with several automatic appeals and takes a very long time to carry out in general, even if the defendant doesn't keep filing their own appeals.
There are a lot of different IQ tests, but I see your point. IQ tests essentially measure your ability to learn, reason, and make connections, which is generally the definition of intelligence. But yes, Mensans are rather arrogant. Source: I am a member of Mensa lol.
@@ek3884 Yeah, I know there are several different IQ tests and what they're meant to measure. However, all of them have flaws, they can be studied for and improved upon, so I don't think they measure innate intelligence so much as a set of skills.
@@ek3884 I was all set to join Mensa, but I refuse to be around people that miserable. And honestly, their test is really poorly normed and quite racially exclusive.
my step father actually used to live just down the street from george. he told me his story a few years ago and it’s always stuck with me. it’s crazy that one of my favorite youtubers is reporting on this!! he was a few miles down the road so they never spoke but the fact that it was so close is crazy!!
I can't, for the life of me, understand when people get death threats, then get attacked/ poisoned /etc and not think to put the two and two together... Surely that would be your first thought. 🤦🏼♀️
They really need to investigate those dungeons. The second one especially is disturbing since there was no handle on the inside so they definitely did not use it for themselves or else they wouldn't have been able to get out
i started watching eleanor last year and have watched every single video since, and have went back to watch every single video shes ever posted. she glows up more and more every video
There's no way the dungeons in their house was never used to some victims. His wife was also said to be with him when they spike people with LSD for "entertainment". Shame to be someone as smart as them but turned out to be horrible people.
Honestly i think it was more of a kinky thing. I mean when the police stormed their new house he was wearing womens underwear which is.. interesting. But that’s just my thought
I heard this story before on another podcast and on true crime doc shows but it's just worth listening to again. The fact that someone would just leave soda for them and not leave a note is strange, but to be not even suspicious about the "gift" is CRAZY!!! After all that feuding with the neighbors they should have been wary but who would think they would be poisoned.
Maybe the boys brought it in? Being young they may not be as cautious and once the soda was inside the house the parents may have thought that the boys had just purchased some soda themselves, decided to try coke for a change and not have asked about it.
"could you imagine a medical professional saying that to you" *laughs in chronic illness* Yes. I was misdiagnosed a psycho somatic disorder for 6 years. Turns out I have migraines that mimic strokes, put you at higher risk of stroke, and we think I was in a coma while I was misdiagnosed. It's called hemipelagic migraines and I have them weekly now.
@@chaska8144 They're either genetic or caused by my genetic disorders. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with lifestyle though making certain changes do help. I have a rare form of genetic migraines called hemiplegic migraines and they mimic strokes. They've caused permanent symptoms like seizures, ataxia, and poor coordination. I also have a genetic disorder called hypermobile ehlers danlos syndrome. My body produces shitty collagen and collagen is the glue that holds your body together. Since it affects the whole body it has a lot of comorbidities and I have a few along with the joint pain and dislocation. hEDS is a degenerative disease that I'll have to manage the rest of my life.
He also ran a meth lab so he thought he was untouchable - he'd Other'd himself loooong ago. The hints of his sadism are all over the place, on top of him thinking he's too smart to get caught. He literally just thought he could do it and get away with it. For us it's very normal to say 'just move away dumbass' but these types of people believe they're above it and way more important. The family never 'took them seriously' and that's the kind of thing that can be seen as an insult. THEY didn't move away when he wanted them to. So THEY had to pay. It's all very stupid on George's part because it just shows how little control he has/how insecure he really is. Making his whole Mensa thing his whole personality too, people aren't people to him. They're below him or experiments. And hilariously that arrogance got him.
I’m still shook at how all the signs pointed to him and he kept denying it when the police were questioning him. Dude didn’t even have a job and they watched him. That’s insane
As soon as you mentioned “corrective rape” I remembered how scary it is to be queer, I’m a non-binary lesbian and it just terrifies me someone will do that to someone like me. Luckily I live in Australia so that’s a good thing but not all of Australia is good too, same goes for every place in the world…
George: " i have an extremely high IQ, far smarter than everyone else Also George: immediately incriminates himself saying the stupidest thing when first questioned us: "hahahahaha"
Yes! I have been there where doctors do a bunch of tests and then tell you, "It's all in your head." I waited 6 weeks with horrible digestive issues to see a "specialist" who then literally mocked me. I got very emotional - to which she then mocked me even more. When I responded with an angry tone back at her (not swearing or out of control in any way) She then threatened to make a bigger deal of it by calling security. I know there are great doctors and nurses out there, but she was cruel. This was 21 years ago. But It's so vivid. Not being believed while in the midst of suffering makes you feel so helpless. I did eventually get help. But I will never forget her heartlessness and cruelty.
Why did it take doctors so long to figure out it was poison, I was screaming poison at my screen as soon as the symptoms were listed. Even if you don’t know which poison it is, it’s so clear it’s poison nonetheless.
Peggy was my great aunt It took the Dr so long cause every test ran and ect came up with no answers. Just so happened there was a visiting Dr on Peggy's floor and over heard others Dr talking and he offered his help. Thank goodness he did cause we would have lost them all. Check out the book Poison minds by Jeff Goode it explains more and in better details
It’s because intentional poisoning is rare. While the other people in the comments are right, there’s definitely medical misogyny and mediocrity involved, there’s also the fact that you’re watching a video about a murder. You’re expecting to hear about a murder, so when you hear the symptoms, your first thought is not “what’s the likeliest cause of this” but rather “how does this connect to homicide”. Doctors are usually taught to pick the most likely option, and usually their choice is unconsciously biased towards the things they’re more familiar with. These doctors would have been trained to identify common medical emergencies, and thallium poisoning (in a time when thallium was no longer available to the general public) is not a common medical emergency. (Not trying to say the doctors were blameless!! Just trying to provide some additional context.)
@@gretablackwell495 You’re right and I totally understand, but as a doctor it is literally your duty to find out what is wrong with someone when they come to you with symptoms instead of saying “You look fine on all my tests so you should be fine”. When you can’t figure out what it could be, you go back to the textbooks to see if there is anything at all you could have missed. And the knowledge was there, because they did find out it was poisoning before having found the actual thallium. If only they had thought of poisoning on the first hospital visit (and it didn’t even have to be thallium, if they suspected poisoning of any kind it would have been stupid to send her home, the place where she most likely ingested the poison) maybe no one had to die.
You make my day so much better when you post! I click as soon as I can. I also want to say that I’ve loved watching you get more comfortable with yourself you can really see your confidence grow and it’s inspiring!!
it kind of boggles my mind that in the beginning, the neighbors they regularly argued with never came up as ppl who didnt like them. how did the family and others believe there was really no one they didnt get along with?? i understand them not thinking they could commit a crime like this over it, but still...
From what my great grandmother, Peggy's sister, told me, they did mention it, but it just didn't seem like something that would escalate so horribly. I never got to meet Peggy bc she was killed before I was born, but I truly believe they didn't think George would ever go that far. Luckily, law enforcement didn't drop the ball on this one & didn't stop until they solved it!
Judging by the fact it doesn't seem they changed anything after they received complaints from their neighbours, I think they just saw it as no big deal, so therefore would not even think about them.
My doctors said my gall bladder pain was in my head, I had so much pain but it was in my stomach and not my back which is where the pain normally is. It went away but yrs latter it came back worse and same issue it wasn’t until I was green and so sick they took it seriously and found out my gall bladder was blocked
Hey Eleanor, I know I’ve asked this before, but at some point if you can, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease can you cover the Lucy Letby case, I would love to hear a detailed version of her background and what she did and stuff, and I’d love to hear your version, please could you consider doing this at some point in the future? Love your videos btw xxxx
danielle kirsty did a pretty in depth video of lucy letby, i’m pretty sure i remember eleanor saying she tries not to cover cases that already have a lot of coverage x
Stephanie Harlowe did a multi-part really indepth look into the details of the Lucy Letby cases and trial. If Eleanor does do it I'd still watch it tho, but in the meantime...
George and his wife were known to pick up hitchhikers and dose them with LSD, and who knows what else, and they've got a dungeon in both of their homes? I sure hope they investigated them in the missing persons cases in their area. No way were they drugging strangers "for fun" and just letting them out of the car.
Hi Eleanor :) just wanted to say how much I appreciate your content! You and your team always work so hard to bring as much info as you can and I love that you always humanise the victims etc… just shows how lovely of a person you must be! Thank you always and hope you’re happy and healthy rn ❤️❤️
Trust me, Mensa isn't half of what it's made out to be. Most proud and loud members of Mensa I know are a bunch of overly pretentious prats. Please don't feel impressed by something as simple as a high IQ. I could qualify for Mensa on my worst day, yet half the time I can't cross the road to the shop without getting distracted, forgetting my wallet or tripping over my shoelaces. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and nobody should need a special club just to feel superior. Sorry. End of rant 😅
Yeah honestly the second she said he was a member of MENSA I was like "okay well this murder is immediately not surprising" IQ isn't even a good indication of intelligence since you can STUDY for it and get a higher score without actually increasing your legitimate brain power and I don't think I've ever talked to anyone in MENSA (I qualified for MENSA in grade school so I've met these people) that wasn't a pretentious out of touch douchebag. Them killing people because they think they're below them and inferior to them because their brain number is smaller sounds like the most MENSA shit ever.
i just wanted to say thank you for all the care, time, and effort you and your team put into making all of these videos! you all do an amazing job and i’m 100000% sure that this one will be just as amazing ❤️❤️
@@Bringon-dw8dx that may be true but as someone who’s suffered with joint problems since being 3/4 years old, I don’t think weight was the issue. Only just this year been diagnosed with hypermobility and that’s been said to be why. But since I was literally a very small child I’ve been told to lose weight when when I haven’t been overweight.
I've never heard the word "corrective rape" but I immediately knew what it meant. As a trans guy I am constantly threatened with this, and one of the earliest American movies about a trans man focuses on this type of crime. Brandon Teena Story
It happened few years ago to a trans guy in Europe. I also live in Europe and yeah, transphobia is sadly everywhere. I'm not really feeling safe as a trans guy too.
All it took was two boys getting sick…for them to believe she was sick. Disappointed but not surprised. But I’m glad how much time and effort Sherry took
I love your work, you always make me smile. I know I've mentioned him in your comments a few times already, but if you don't watch Mr.Ballen you REALLY should. You guys have covered some of the same cases and I am always so entertained to see the different ways you present the Sam's story. You're both such wonderful storytellers.
I remember watching a Forencic Files episode on this a few months ago. The crime itself was awful, but the deep dive into the forensic research behind it was fascinating! This man was truly mad... I recommend watching the episode, it's very good!
I also saw that episode and wondered why this case felt so familiar. I heard thallium poisoning and recognized the case. It’s truly sad what happened to Peggy, she and her family did not deserve this
Speaking as someone who has had to deal with ungodly levels of pain in a hospital. Having doctors suggest that it's all psychological or like Munchausen or something fucken drives me mental
in another vid on this case the person covering it said that when shelia met with him (37:57) and said the cops were looking around his house that he tried to get her to come home with him but she lied and said she had plans and he kept insisting. obviously she didn’t go with him. the cops assumed he wanted to put her in the dungeon and maybe kill her
“Imagine being told my medical professionals that it’s all psychological” the life of those with invisible disabilities and chronic illness lol, it’s not fun!
Heyy Ellie, I’m a young Palestinian girl who’s always appreciated your content (I’ve watched all your videos). I urge you to speak up about what’s happening to my people in Gaza, your influence on the younger generation that have no idea what is currently happening, is significant.♥️🇵🇸
As a Jew who believes in the right to self determination for all countries involved, I am deeply sorry for the terrible things Hamas has done for Palestinians. You guys deserve to be represented by something other than a terrorist organisation. It's complicated, but one day, I hope we'll all be able to listen to each other and make peace. But Israel is the only Jewish country in the world, and that peace must not come by erasing it from existence. Half the Jewish population of the world live there. Palestine and Israel can both exist, though.
@@solo-mons If your Israeli government care so much about the Jewish community, why are they carpet bombing their “homeland”. Your excuses don’t justify the genocide of my people and their 9,000 deaths in only 2 weeks. How out of the realm of reality can someone be. A land you have to bomb an entire refugee camp for, isn’t your land. Stick your head out your ass and open your eyes.
@@solo-mons Judaism is a religion, not a race or a country. As for Hamas being a terrorist organization, in that case so is the Netanyahu Israel government, as proven by the number of Palestinian civilians killed by the Israeli’s “ military” attacks in the past couple of weeks. Religion has nothing to do the actions by Hamas and Israel because no one who is truly religious would commit the atrocities that are occurring in Gaza and Israel.
A few years ago I was diagnosed with POTS syndrome and at the time, I was suffering from seizures on top of the symptoms of POTS and I had a doctor essentially tell me that I was making it up. That I was doing it because I was depressed...I'm sorry but wtf????
I feel like if you have 3 people from the same family all with the same symptoms the Dr.’s would immediately realize it has to be poison or something to that effect.
Why is listening to true crime always so exhilarating and interesting yet so disturbing? At this point I can never go back to listening to talk shows… I need my daily dose of true crime
oh my god, stephanie soo also did a crime committed in china regarding thalium poisoning and it scared me forever. the girl who was poisoned went from an ivy league dream girl to having the IQ of a 6-year-old and doctors couldn't understand why. i hope science advances enough to trace it better/faster. it's so dangerous.
I'm a lesbian so hearing Funeka's story is heartbreaking. I always fear this will happen to me because I'm quite open about my sexuality and I always feel so upset and sympathetic towards the victims of corrective rape
I’ve watched a different channel cover this case as well. George thought he was so smart that he would never be caught. His Mensa brain was his fall down.
I was thinking that with just how narcissistic and sadistic he seems, maybe the little “dungeon” rooms were used by George (and his wife too, possibly) to keep the random hitchhikers/strangers in once he spiked them with LSD like he loves to do, so he could just sit there and watch them/get pleasure from the whole ordeal… it would make sense that he would make the “dungeons”/rooms sound-proof and also have the restraints that way nobody else could hear or would even know while it’s going on. Perhaps just one of the strange and sick ways he could add his own little “spice” to the “experience.” Then maybe after all of it was over he’d either like threaten the person to never tell a soul, but I think he’d most likely give them something ELSE that would then make them forget the entire thing afterwards. With how sneaky and twisted he is none of that would surprise me whatsoever if that’s how he went about doing that whole process. Idk, does anyone else think this could be the case with the rooms? I just kind of put two and two together as soon as Ellie mentioned the unwilling LSD victims then described those rooms that are unanswered for… and the reason none of those people have ever gone to the police is because 1) he most likely gave them shit to forget it all, and 2) they’re just random hitchhikers that George and his wife would pick up, dose, then never see again in their lifetime… Just something that could be a possibility with that part of the story, maybe? But brava, Eleanor! Another great video/case, as always. Keep up the great work! 😚🙌
I'm actually surprised that the evidence in the home wasn't questioned more. How did they prevent the assumption that the thallium was planted there? Especially if his wife was saying that he was framed.
I remember hearing about this case! Granted, living next to that family must’ve been hell on earth, because as I’ve heard it, they were a bunch of purposely obnoxious, loud hillbillies; however, this dude was an unhinged LOON! 😳
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I love how he made having a high IQ most of his personality and then he got caught in the dumbest way imaginable
yeah and also anyone who brags about their iq is not actually smart since they think iq is real
@@morethanjustromantic "People who boast about their IQ are losers" -Stephen Hawking
High IQ doesn't mean you can't be egotistical and narcissistic, unfortunately. Narcs ALWAYS slip up.
it’s so poetic
Garden variety arrogance 🤷♀️
i've said it before and i'll say it again: medical neglect from doctors to women / girls is one of the biggest issues in the business these days, i'm 17 and when i was 13 i nearly died from kidney issues after my male doctor told me i just had bad posture. thank you for bringing awareness
Gives the same vibe as parents saying the reason kids have depression is because of being on the internet and absolutely nothing else.
Really sorry that happened to you though, it’s really unfair and you didn’t deserve that. Glad you’re still here now.
I have chronic pain in my legs that affects me daily and the amount of times I’ve had tests and shit, and drs have just told me it’s all in my head. That hurts more than my legs tbh. Would just love someone to believe me at this point Idec about a diagnosis or cure
I was throwing up blood for MONTHS. And two doctors kept telling my mom I was lying or saying it was probably my period 😐
@@TheRealRavensWings your period coming out your mouth??? it’s not even connected!
so frustrating that the doctors only took peggy’s symptoms seriously once other family members (including males) started to also get it. women are so so so frequently told their symptoms of serious health issues are psychological.
Tbf up to 1/4 of presentations to GP are functional in nature, it makes sense they would start to see a connection when more people got the symptoms.
You react very differently if someone says the people they live with have the same symptoms, you start to question if it’s environmental or infectious
Completely agree with you here i feel that when theres something medically wrong with someone there should be tests upon test, INCLUDING a urine test, so why on earth wasnt it tested when she first got brought in.
@@Hajar-eu2inyes really…women are not taken seriously by medical professionals. if u add having visible mental health disorders in your notes it makes it all that much harder. was told my pain was anxiety over and over, and just now finding out its smth more serious.
My family has a history of endometriosis.. so i researched it. They used to torture women with this condition, highly recommend googling it. It was all hysteria, or witchcraft, blame, accusations of being lazy or weak
@@meadowstarsss❤
"The red flags were red flagging" . Very true, Eleanor.
I'm astounded by the massive amount of detective work and cross functional collaboration that went into this. Seriously. They tested practically everything in the house that could potentially poison you, they had coke testing their products, an undercover detective working the mark for an entire year? Just impressed how hard they worked to solve the case.
Middle to high-class white woman…. Not surprising at all.
I don't think so, but maybe.
The doctors gaslit the mom, trying to suggest that all of her symptoms were in her head...it wasn't until her children developed the same symptoms that they began to take the situation seriously.
I believe at that point, they were concerned there could be a contaminated product that might put more of the public at risk...so it would be unreasonable not to put more resources into that suspicion.
What strikes me is how long and how much effort it took (the undercover detective) to finally nail the guy.
I'm aware that white privilege extends to white victims of crime in the investigative world, but it doesn't mean every solved crime involving a white victim is for that reason.
Regardless of whatever the truth is, I'm glad they found the guy before he poisoned anyone else he didn't like. And if he'd have gotten away with those crimes, he'd for sure have gotten cocky enough to poison more people.
@@krystalynkerseyoh shut up 🙄
Peggy is my great aunt and the Mrs.Susan worked the case undercut alot longer than a year.
She truly is a blessing to our family.
The book Poison minds
wrote by Jeff Goode and Ms. Susan worked together writing the book.
I've listened to several podcasts about my aunt and I've not found 1 that has the complete story or the company truth.
@alix4434
The law did their job. They wanted justice for my family and who did this out of their community.
This sick s.o.b almost took out a complete family including a small child.
Its had Nothing to do with racism,
An it took so long to figure out what was wrong because Nothing showed up. It wasn't until a Dr visiting the hospital where Peggy was on a different patient did they figure it out.
So u see it was a visiting Dr who just so happened to be there at the right time
13:26 wow, doctors really needed two teenage boys with the exact same symptoms before they listened to a woman
Right??
As a woman I am not surprised. You’d be amazed at the amount of times we’re told stress, “in our head” or hormones are the cause of our health issues.
@bethmahadocon1887 yep. I was in hospital weekly by age 17 crippled with abdominal pain. Unable to walk, get out of bed, go to college or do any typical teenager things. The amount of times I was sent home with paracetamol and told that girls just have tummy pain some times. Even after years of this pain and being practically bed-ridden for years it was suggested every time I went in that it was Ovulation pain and basically I was just pathetic. They would laugh at me and tell me people don't scream like this during labour but still insist I wasn't in much pain. Can confirm after giving birth that labour wasn't as painful or hard to cope with because I knew what was happening and that it would end. I was still told I was pathetic during labour too! The NHS (and the entire world it seems) has very little respect for women.
@@haileyranson8255i’m sorry you had to go through this 🩷
Yeah. I was waiting for the "in your head" thingy
Maybe I’ve just watched way too much true crime. But after the death threat and the issues with the neighbours once Peggy’s initial symptoms were described - poisoning was what came to mind. Tbh the unhinged nasty behaviour that some ppl are capable of has to be considered. I feel so bad for Peggy and her family.
Omg I thought I was the only one. That immediately popped into my head, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RECENT DEATH THREAT(S)!!!
When she was going 'but no one hates us enough!' I was like 'GURL, PLEASE!'
i think that was obvious
Right! I was thinking the same thing. I wouldve reported the note AND the way the neighboor lady went "you wont get away with this". Like dont play with this stuff. Call me paranoid 🤷
first thing i thought when peggy’s symptoms were described was poison in the water tank, i’m only 20 minutes in so idk yet lol
The fact that he exposed his own crime speaks to who he is 😭. Thank you Eleanor for another video! Peggy’s death is such a tragedy…I hope her family has been able to find the peace they deserve.
a woman getting sick doctors : oh get over it it's all in your head
a man get sick: omfg bring the specialist these men are sick
exactly my thoughts
its not a gender issue, its the fact that more than ONE person is experiencing the same exact symptoms shows its not coincidental
@@chaska8144 it's both
@@chaska8144you can't imagine your muscles physically deteriorating nor being in unbearable amounts of pain. While it was partially the fact that she wasn't alone in it, they didn't believe her from the start, basically, so it WAS a gender issue, as always!
@@unsavourycharlatan they didnt believe her because she was the only one experiencing it, if it was a man we don't know if the same thing would happen. stop assuming for the worse
This is so heart wrenching, she just wanted to be with her family but instead was cruelly murdered in an excruciating way😢
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I can’t believe he resorted to trying to off the neighbours first and then they moved away anyways?! Love that ego can trip up intelligence, so poetic.
Right?! That's what I was thinking! All that just to decide you want to move anyway. Fookin' prick 😒
Anyone else think there’s absolutely NO WAY this was the first time he’s done this??
Get the book
Poison minds by ms Susan and Jeff Goode
oh for sure right?
He did admit to drugging people with LSD. So he probably has
He has dumbass
"They told her it was all psychological and in her head. Could you imagine being told that by medical profecionals?" Yes. Fibromyalgia and a crap-ton of other chronic ilnesses don't show on tests, so at some point doctors just tell you're most likely just depress and all your symptoms are all psychosomathic. 'Been told that a couple of times, and yes it does drives you mental.
I’ve had that conversation too. It’s infuriating. A spine specialist I was seeing after a car accident FINALLY explained to me what I had been dealing with for years was fibromyalgia. It came up in a random conversation with her while discussing symptoms about my spine injury and I had those specific symptoms before the accident. So now I have treatment for a disease I had suffered with for decades that other doctors had suggested was either in my mind or stress.
I got sciatica when I was 15 and all the doctors I talked to about my back pain said I couldn’t be in that much pain because I “was too young”. I had to see a nerve specialist to finally get diagnosed when I was 16. Can’t stand medical professionals sometimes.
@@Kasey_Taylor Oh wow. I’ve had sciatica pain as an adult. I’m so sorry you dealt with it so young. I hope you were treated and found relief.
Endometriosis :’(
fellow fibro warrior here, i chuckled when that part came up. its definitely heart-breaking to hear!! hope youve got plenty of spoons today
I’m going through having crazy violent neighbors just like this, but without the poison. They’re also well respected in the town and have been getting off of any charges we bring against them. I have restraining orders on them but they constantly break it, by screaming at me yelling in my face, blocking me from leaving my home, false police reports on me. It’s insane. I’m getting a private investigator to collect the evidence of them stalking, assault, and harassing me. Hopefully something will be done soon, they’ve even gotten to the point of harassing my elderly grandparents by also screaming in their faces and making false reports on trespassing, even though they’re the ones actually trespassing on our land.
Watching this puts into perspective on how crazy some neighbors will be, I’ll have to be more careful until the police actually look into them.
Damn your neighbors are methed up 😂😂 but yeah fr be careful people are crazy
Im so sorry for you and your grandparents. It must be hell living next to a whole family of Karens. I do hope you find a way to get away from them. That kind of abuse can harm your self esteem. Good luck to you and your family.
I am so sorry this is happening to you and your family. Please make sure to tell other family members and friends or neighbours that if anything happens to you they should look into those neighbours. Also make sure to tell people if any of you are ever hospitalised and doctors cant find whats wrong you should be tested for poisoning. I know this is a worst case scenario and sounds like paranoia but better be save than sorry. It could save lifes ❤
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I’m sorry this is happening to you. I hope the private investigator can help you guys get the justice you deserve. Best wishes to you and your family.
I have a chronic illness and getting told it's all in your head bc the tests don't show anything is such a wild and degrading feeling, I'm glad they believed Peggy eventually!
I’m from South Africa 🇿🇦 and this is totally true, it’s sad that Sexual Assault is so prevalent here 💔
unfortunately South Africa is very violent
I’m so sorry you have to deal with that. It’s bad in the US so I couldn’t imagine how much worst it could be there especially when they believe in rape to change someone’s sexual orientation. That’s just so messed up!
Scared to go to South Africa now
Really scary stuff and I’m sorry you’re living somewhere with these sorts of crimes:( hope you and those you love are all safe and happy 💕
Things are bad in New Zealand, lots of pedos and weirdos, but from what I understand it's worse in South Africa. A freind of mine got drugged and gang raped in cape town
This case is absolutely insane! I will never understand how someone can go from not liking their neighbors to murdering them! Fantastic job telling the story as always, Eleanor!
For real!
I don't like kids and I work nights, so I have to sleep during the day. I had neighbors with really rambunctious boys and honestly, I couldn't even be bothered enough to pay them any mind. Like, who cares? They're kids. That's what they do. They ain't just gonna stop being kids cause I said so 😆
Being upset and complaining all the time just takes too much effort... muchless planing a murder. He thought being an analytical person made him above being caught by the police. Now he's lost not only his peace of mind, but also his freedom and his life.
In the words of the great poet DJ Khalid, "Congrats, you played yourself." 👏🏽
@@virahpayamRIGHT
MENSA people are really annoying in general. High IQ just means you're good at passing a specific test, not that you're actually smarter than everyone else, but they like to be seen as clever. George writing his own murder for a murder mystery party and still expect to get away with it is the level of arrogance I'd expect from them.
The death penalty does come with several automatic appeals and takes a very long time to carry out in general, even if the defendant doesn't keep filing their own appeals.
George has no more appeals left he has already used them
There are a lot of different IQ tests, but I see your point. IQ tests essentially measure your ability to learn, reason, and make connections, which is generally the definition of intelligence. But yes, Mensans are rather arrogant. Source: I am a member of Mensa lol.
@@ek3884 Yeah, I know there are several different IQ tests and what they're meant to measure. However, all of them have flaws, they can be studied for and improved upon, so I don't think they measure innate intelligence so much as a set of skills.
I have a high IQ and am an ex Mensa member. I know there are many things I don’t know and don’t really have the capacity to learn.
@@ek3884 I was all set to join Mensa, but I refuse to be around people that miserable. And honestly, their test is really poorly normed and quite racially exclusive.
my step father actually used to live just down the street from george. he told me his story a few years ago and it’s always stuck with me. it’s crazy that one of my favorite youtubers is reporting on this!! he was a few miles down the road so they never spoke but the fact that it was so close is crazy!!
I can't, for the life of me, understand when people get death threats, then get attacked/ poisoned /etc and not think to put the two and two together... Surely that would be your first thought. 🤦🏼♀️
this!!!
They really need to investigate those dungeons. The second one especially is disturbing since there was no handle on the inside so they definitely did not use it for themselves or else they wouldn't have been able to get out
we can all agree Eleanor is best storyteller every video I get so excited for
❤I agree .. her voice, accent calms me down. Love Ellie
i started watching eleanor last year and have watched every single video since, and have went back to watch every single video shes ever posted. she glows up more and more every video
Are we sure he wasn't a serial killer 😭😭😭
HELLO?? he poisoned his "annoying" neighbors but was planning to move out anyway? wtf??
There's no way the dungeons in their house was never used to some victims. His wife was also said to be with him when they spike people with LSD for "entertainment". Shame to be someone as smart as them but turned out to be horrible people.
Honestly i think it was more of a kinky thing. I mean when the police stormed their new house he was wearing womens underwear which is.. interesting. But that’s just my thought
I heard this story before on another podcast and on true crime doc shows but it's just worth listening to again. The fact that someone would just leave soda for them and not leave a note is strange, but to be not even suspicious about the "gift" is CRAZY!!! After all that feuding with the neighbors they should have been wary but who would think they would be poisoned.
Maybe the boys brought it in? Being young they may not be as cautious and once the soda was inside the house the parents may have thought that the boys had just purchased some soda themselves, decided to try coke for a change and not have asked about it.
The second you started talking about thalium poisoning I immediately started thinking about Graham Young (the Teacup Poisoner), and I was like, yikes!
the amount of time and effort that goes into these videos is amazing!! i always get so excited when eleanor posts !!
“Well that’s a bit on the f****** nose in’it?” I love you Eleanor 😂
"could you imagine a medical professional saying that to you" *laughs in chronic illness* Yes. I was misdiagnosed a psycho somatic disorder for 6 years. Turns out I have migraines that mimic strokes, put you at higher risk of stroke, and we think I was in a coma while I was misdiagnosed. It's called hemipelagic migraines and I have them weekly now.
I have severe body pain and a shitload of other symptoms I was told was psychosomatic, it's EDS most likely hEDS
@@sn0tbrain I also have hEDS that was diagnosed around the same time as the hemiplegic migraines 🤣
how do you get these illnesses, were there problems in your lifestyle, perhaps lack of sleep and exercise?
@@chaska8144 They're either genetic or caused by my genetic disorders. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with lifestyle though making certain changes do help. I have a rare form of genetic migraines called hemiplegic migraines and they mimic strokes. They've caused permanent symptoms like seizures, ataxia, and poor coordination. I also have a genetic disorder called hypermobile ehlers danlos syndrome. My body produces shitty collagen and collagen is the glue that holds your body together. Since it affects the whole body it has a lot of comorbidities and I have a few along with the joint pain and dislocation. hEDS is a degenerative disease that I'll have to manage the rest of my life.
As someone with chronic migraines, I get you. It sucks so hard when literal doctors are telling you that you’re faking or lying.
You know its deadly serious when someone tries to recreate pure crystal 99.1% art in real life
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If George was planning on moving away, then why bother poisoning your neighbors in the first place?? Just move away!
George thought everyone was below him and too stupid to catch him.
Peggy was my aunt
He also ran a meth lab so he thought he was untouchable - he'd Other'd himself loooong ago. The hints of his sadism are all over the place, on top of him thinking he's too smart to get caught. He literally just thought he could do it and get away with it. For us it's very normal to say 'just move away dumbass' but these types of people believe they're above it and way more important. The family never 'took them seriously' and that's the kind of thing that can be seen as an insult. THEY didn't move away when he wanted them to. So THEY had to pay. It's all very stupid on George's part because it just shows how little control he has/how insecure he really is. Making his whole Mensa thing his whole personality too, people aren't people to him. They're below him or experiments. And hilariously that arrogance got him.
I’m still shook at how all the signs pointed to him and he kept denying it when the police were questioning him. Dude didn’t even have a job and they watched him. That’s insane
As soon as you mentioned “corrective rape” I remembered how scary it is to be queer, I’m a non-binary lesbian and it just terrifies me someone will do that to someone like me. Luckily I live in Australia so that’s a good thing but not all of Australia is good too, same goes for every place in the world…
George: " i have an extremely high IQ, far smarter than everyone else
Also George: immediately incriminates himself saying the stupidest thing when first questioned
us: "hahahahaha"
Yes! I have been there where doctors do a bunch of tests and then tell you, "It's all in your head." I waited 6 weeks with horrible digestive issues to see a "specialist" who then literally mocked me. I got very emotional - to which she then mocked me even more. When I responded with an angry tone back at her (not swearing or out of control in any way) She then threatened to make a bigger deal of it by calling security. I know there are great doctors and nurses out there, but she was cruel. This was 21 years ago. But It's so vivid. Not being believed while in the midst of suffering makes you feel so helpless. I did eventually get help. But I will never forget her heartlessness and cruelty.
Why did it take doctors so long to figure out it was poison, I was screaming poison at my screen as soon as the symptoms were listed. Even if you don’t know which poison it is, it’s so clear it’s poison nonetheless.
i thought this too.
because womens health is never taken seriously
Peggy was my great aunt
It took the Dr so long cause every test ran and ect came up with no answers.
Just so happened there was a visiting Dr on Peggy's floor and over heard others Dr talking and he offered his help.
Thank goodness he did cause we would have lost them all.
Check out the book
Poison minds by Jeff Goode
it explains more and in better details
It’s because intentional poisoning is rare. While the other people in the comments are right, there’s definitely medical misogyny and mediocrity involved, there’s also the fact that you’re watching a video about a murder. You’re expecting to hear about a murder, so when you hear the symptoms, your first thought is not “what’s the likeliest cause of this” but rather “how does this connect to homicide”. Doctors are usually taught to pick the most likely option, and usually their choice is unconsciously biased towards the things they’re more familiar with. These doctors would have been trained to identify common medical emergencies, and thallium poisoning (in a time when thallium was no longer available to the general public) is not a common medical emergency.
(Not trying to say the doctors were blameless!! Just trying to provide some additional context.)
@@gretablackwell495 You’re right and I totally understand, but as a doctor it is literally your duty to find out what is wrong with someone when they come to you with symptoms instead of saying “You look fine on all my tests so you should be fine”. When you can’t figure out what it could be, you go back to the textbooks to see if there is anything at all you could have missed. And the knowledge was there, because they did find out it was poisoning before having found the actual thallium. If only they had thought of poisoning on the first hospital visit (and it didn’t even have to be thallium, if they suspected poisoning of any kind it would have been stupid to send her home, the place where she most likely ingested the poison) maybe no one had to die.
You make my day so much better when you post! I click as soon as I can. I also want to say that I’ve loved watching you get more comfortable with yourself you can really see your confidence grow and it’s inspiring!!
it kind of boggles my mind that in the beginning, the neighbors they regularly argued with never came up as ppl who didnt like them. how did the family and others believe there was really no one they didnt get along with?? i understand them not thinking they could commit a crime like this over it, but still...
From what my great grandmother, Peggy's sister, told me, they did mention it, but it just didn't seem like something that would escalate so horribly. I never got to meet Peggy bc she was killed before I was born, but I truly believe they didn't think George would ever go that far. Luckily, law enforcement didn't drop the ball on this one & didn't stop until they solved it!
Judging by the fact it doesn't seem they changed anything after they received complaints from their neighbours, I think they just saw it as no big deal, so therefore would not even think about them.
My doctors said my gall bladder pain was in my head, I had so much pain but it was in my stomach and not my back which is where the pain normally is. It went away but yrs latter it came back worse and same issue it wasn’t until I was green and so sick they took it seriously and found out my gall bladder was blocked
Hey Eleanor, I know I’ve asked this before, but at some point if you can, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease can you cover the Lucy Letby case, I would love to hear a detailed version of her background and what she did and stuff, and I’d love to hear your version, please could you consider doing this at some point in the future?
Love your videos btw xxxx
danielle kirsty did a pretty in depth video of lucy letby, i’m pretty sure i remember eleanor saying she tries not to cover cases that already have a lot of coverage x
Stephanie Harlowe did a multi-part really indepth look into the details of the Lucy Letby cases and trial. If Eleanor does do it I'd still watch it tho, but in the meantime...
th-cam.com/video/99_ePCJqgb0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=I04zg2Gcd-JZZUKX
Danielle Kirsty, Sherilyn Dale and Annie Elise have all done pretty extensive videos on her case.
@@rebeccacrash9272
Yes I just watched Danielle Kirsty’s video on the Lucy Letby case, it was a really good video
George and his wife were known to pick up hitchhikers and dose them with LSD, and who knows what else, and they've got a dungeon in both of their homes? I sure hope they investigated them in the missing persons cases in their area. No way were they drugging strangers "for fun" and just letting them out of the car.
Yep! My thoughts exactly!
IM SORRY?!!! 39?!? THAT MAN WAS NOT 39 WTF HE LOOKE OLDER THAN MY GRANDPA
Eleanor is the BEST STORY TELLER EVER.
Eleanor here’s some positive vibes and engagement for you. The world is so fragile and broken today. I’m praying for everyone suffering right now.
Hats off to Sherri. When I say ACAB, it doesn't include her. See THAT is going above and beyond to catch a bad guy.
Running the biggest meth lab in a state that’s known for meth is honestly impressive.
The whole methlab part makes me feel like he didnt think it through completely, as if he could get away with anything without consequences
I’m from South Africa and I can tell you it’s hell in here when it comes to protecting women or get justice at least.
Hi Eleanor :) just wanted to say how much I appreciate your content! You and your team always work so hard to bring as much info as you can and I love that you always humanise the victims etc… just shows how lovely of a person you must be! Thank you always and hope you’re happy and healthy rn ❤️❤️
Trust me, Mensa isn't half of what it's made out to be. Most proud and loud members of Mensa I know are a bunch of overly pretentious prats. Please don't feel impressed by something as simple as a high IQ. I could qualify for Mensa on my worst day, yet half the time I can't cross the road to the shop without getting distracted, forgetting my wallet or tripping over my shoelaces. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and nobody should need a special club just to feel superior.
Sorry. End of rant 😅
Yeah honestly the second she said he was a member of MENSA I was like "okay well this murder is immediately not surprising"
IQ isn't even a good indication of intelligence since you can STUDY for it and get a higher score without actually increasing your legitimate brain power and I don't think I've ever talked to anyone in MENSA (I qualified for MENSA in grade school so I've met these people) that wasn't a pretentious out of touch douchebag. Them killing people because they think they're below them and inferior to them because their brain number is smaller sounds like the most MENSA shit ever.
omg, another video??¿? Eleanor is feeding us so much lately, thank you!!!
i just wanted to say thank you for all the care, time, and effort you and your team put into making all of these videos! you all do an amazing job and i’m 100000% sure that this one will be just as amazing ❤️❤️
Listening to her voice and watching her videos I can replay 100times makes me relax and calm
Hey, I think the way you present these cases is wonderful ! Watched you for years now!!!
As a woman(in the uk) with chronic illnesses, hearing it’s in my head and even down to my weight is something I’ve heard way too much 😂
Tbf roughly 1/4-1/5 of GP presentations are functional and weight loss is a proven treatment for a number of conditions
@@Bringon-dw8dx that may be true but as someone who’s suffered with joint problems since being 3/4 years old, I don’t think weight was the issue. Only just this year been diagnosed with hypermobility and that’s been said to be why. But since I was literally a very small child I’ve been told to lose weight when when I haven’t been overweight.
Or "you are too young to have anything" "go and live your life"...🙄😅 I have heard them all. Part not the script about neesing to lose some weight.
I remember watching this case on a documentary called Fear Thy Neighbour about 6 years ago and I thought it was insane and sad of what happened.
Peggy was married to my Uncle Larry. We were all devastated when she died. 😞
That boy George is a wild piece of sh*+! So tragic, condolences to Peggy and her loved ones 🕊
the fact that they joined a group called mensa for smart people but in spanish it means “dumb”😭😭
that's always what i've thought when hearing anything about mensa
@@sappholily Its pretty accurate people in MENSA tend to have very little than book smarts and not much intelligence elsewhere.
I've never heard the word "corrective rape" but I immediately knew what it meant. As a trans guy I am constantly threatened with this, and one of the earliest American movies about a trans man focuses on this type of crime. Brandon Teena Story
It happened few years ago to a trans guy in Europe. I also live in Europe and yeah, transphobia is sadly everywhere. I'm not really feeling safe as a trans guy too.
Fellow trans brother keeping you and all of us in his thoughts :(
The way you tell these stories is truly amazing ❤❤❤
Your coverage was the best in this case. I’ve listened to 2 other versions, you had facts in it I didn’t know.
I love that when you hear the term 'Genius Killer' you can usually expect a story about the most foolish criminal ever.
This case was covered before by another youtube regular, but Eleanor tells the story so much better and makes it really engrossing
MagellanTV is actually my go-to binge watch sesh
oh this is heartbreaking. imagine knowing if your mum/wife didn’t drink a certain drink she would more than likely be alive:( rip peggy
The part when you said this is my poison. Caught me off guard 😅
I'm sorry- that man is only 39???? He looks... way older.
All it took was two boys getting sick…for them to believe she was sick. Disappointed but not surprised. But I’m glad how much time and effort Sherry took
I love your work, you always make me smile. I know I've mentioned him in your comments a few times already, but if you don't watch Mr.Ballen you REALLY should. You guys have covered some of the same cases and I am always so entertained to see the different ways you present the Sam's story. You're both such wonderful storytellers.
Hello Eleanor!! I love your content, it really helps me get through my work during the day!
I feel so horrible for that family. The confusion and fear they must have felt.
I remember watching a Forencic Files episode on this a few months ago. The crime itself was awful, but the deep dive into the forensic research behind it was fascinating! This man was truly mad... I recommend watching the episode, it's very good!
I also saw that episode and wondered why this case felt so familiar. I heard thallium poisoning and recognized the case. It’s truly sad what happened to Peggy, she and her family did not deserve this
Peggy was my aunt
The FBI said this was the 8th hardest case to Crack.
Mrs.Susan gave up 8yrs of her life for this case
How can someone so smart be so dumb?! Or was he just so arrogant he assumed the detectives would be too dumb to catch him? 🤦
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
All these same npc comments 🤣 ppr online r so fragile
On gang✊
why bring controversy something completely unrelated to that topic…
#StandWithIsrael 🇺🇲🇮🇱✝️
@@GenXfrom75shut up
@@trenton9305well genocide should not be considered "controversial" ☺️
I've seen many videos based on this murder, it's so refreshing to see a different angle so thank you for doing your research!! ❤
The fact that a normal childhood fight caused all this???!!😮
Speaking as someone who has had to deal with ungodly levels of pain in a hospital. Having doctors suggest that it's all psychological or like Munchausen or something fucken drives me mental
in another vid on this case the person covering it said that when shelia met with him (37:57) and said the cops were looking around his house that he tried to get her to come home with him but she lied and said she had plans and he kept insisting. obviously she didn’t go with him. the cops assumed he wanted to put her in the dungeon and maybe kill her
“Imagine being told my medical professionals that it’s all psychological” the life of those with invisible disabilities and chronic illness lol, it’s not fun!
Heyy Ellie, I’m a young Palestinian girl who’s always appreciated your content (I’ve watched all your videos). I urge you to speak up about what’s happening to my people in Gaza, your influence on the younger generation that have no idea what is currently happening, is significant.♥️🇵🇸
As a Jew who believes in the right to self determination for all countries involved, I am deeply sorry for the terrible things Hamas has done for Palestinians. You guys deserve to be represented by something other than a terrorist organisation. It's complicated, but one day, I hope we'll all be able to listen to each other and make peace. But Israel is the only Jewish country in the world, and that peace must not come by erasing it from existence. Half the Jewish population of the world live there. Palestine and Israel can both exist, though.
@@solo-mons Funny you didn’t mention the biggest terrorists of them all, the lovely IDF.
@@solo-mons If your Israeli government care so much about the Jewish community, why are they carpet bombing their “homeland”. Your excuses don’t justify the genocide of my people and their 9,000 deaths in only 2 weeks. How out of the realm of reality can someone be. A land you have to bomb an entire refugee camp for, isn’t your land. Stick your head out your ass and open your eyes.
@@solo-mons Judaism is a religion, not a race or a country. As for Hamas being a terrorist organization, in that case so is the Netanyahu Israel government, as proven by the number of Palestinian civilians killed by the Israeli’s “ military” attacks in the past couple of weeks. Religion has nothing to do the actions by Hamas and Israel because no one who is truly religious would commit the atrocities that are occurring in Gaza and Israel.
@@Lauriej117 wow. You just told a Jew what is and isn't true about their ethnicity. Think about what you did, ok?
A few years ago I was diagnosed with POTS syndrome and at the time, I was suffering from seizures on top of the symptoms of POTS and I had a doctor essentially tell me that I was making it up. That I was doing it because I was depressed...I'm sorry but wtf????
Not surprised that she wasnt taken seriously
I feel like if you have 3 people from the same family all with the same symptoms the Dr.’s would immediately realize it has to be poison or something to that effect.
I had heard of this case but you covered it much better. Good job Ellie!
The fact he booked a lift home expecting to get away with it 😭
the police actually doing their job well in a true crime case i am shocked never thought i'd see the day
Why is listening to true crime always so exhilarating and interesting yet so disturbing?
At this point I can never go back to listening to talk shows… I need my daily dose of true crime
oh my god, stephanie soo also did a crime committed in china regarding thalium poisoning and it scared me forever. the girl who was poisoned went from an ivy league dream girl to having the IQ of a 6-year-old and doctors couldn't understand why. i hope science advances enough to trace it better/faster. it's so dangerous.
I'm a lesbian so hearing Funeka's story is heartbreaking. I always fear this will happen to me because I'm quite open about my sexuality and I always feel so upset and sympathetic towards the victims of corrective rape
el, you’re amazing. thankyou for spending your time making us all look forward to your posts. You’re great. never stop doing what you do girl!❤️
I’ve watched a different channel cover this case as well. George thought he was so smart that he would never be caught. His Mensa brain was his fall down.
I was thinking that with just how narcissistic and sadistic he seems, maybe the little “dungeon” rooms were used by George (and his wife too, possibly) to keep the random hitchhikers/strangers in once he spiked them with LSD like he loves to do, so he could just sit there and watch them/get pleasure from the whole ordeal… it would make sense that he would make the “dungeons”/rooms sound-proof and also have the restraints that way nobody else could hear or would even know while it’s going on. Perhaps just one of the strange and sick ways he could add his own little “spice” to the “experience.” Then maybe after all of it was over he’d either like threaten the person to never tell a soul, but I think he’d most likely give them something ELSE that would then make them forget the entire thing afterwards. With how sneaky and twisted he is none of that would surprise me whatsoever if that’s how he went about doing that whole process. Idk, does anyone else think this could be the case with the rooms? I just kind of put two and two together as soon as Ellie mentioned the unwilling LSD victims then described those rooms that are unanswered for… and the reason none of those people have ever gone to the police is because 1) he most likely gave them shit to forget it all, and 2) they’re just random hitchhikers that George and his wife would pick up, dose, then never see again in their lifetime…
Just something that could be a possibility with that part of the story, maybe?
But brava, Eleanor! Another great video/case, as always. Keep up the great work! 😚🙌
I'm actually surprised that the evidence in the home wasn't questioned more. How did they prevent the assumption that the thallium was planted there? Especially if his wife was saying that he was framed.
What a treat to have another video! Sooner than I expected!
So he poisoned them….just to move…
I remember hearing about this case!
Granted, living next to that family must’ve been hell on earth, because as I’ve heard it, they were a bunch of purposely obnoxious, loud hillbillies; however, this dude was an unhinged LOON! 😳
I love watching Eleanors veiws go up like yass queen educate the masses!