We recently upgraded our tilt head artisan Kitchenaid to a Kitchenaid bowl raiser KSM60 for $350 (all metal gears, no sacrificial gear) and we're very happy with the results. The kneading time went from 30-35 mins to 10-15 mins. The 6 quart bowl with the spiral dough hook can make a variety of amounts. If a kitchenaid doesn't already pass the dime test, you've just got to adjust it so it does, and it'll handle small amounts well. We just throw it all in, and once the dough is starting to come together we stop it and use a spatula to get all the extra dough off the sides. I've noticed the earlier I do that, then it'll get done around 10 mins instead of 15 mins.
I am in Alberta Canada and I have to add about 1/2 c flour prior to kneading process, then I knead on 1 for 9 - 11 minutes depending on the weather. My bread turns out beautiful. Yes, I use fresh milled flour and I have 3 mills, the Classic, the Harvest and the Junior in case of power outage. I want to get your cookbook. Thank you Cara.
Great instructions! I bought a reconditioned Bosch through a Canadian local company. I love how fast & easy it mixes, as apposed to my stand mixer. Thanks for your wonderful guide with the fresh milled flour! Blessings 🤗🇨🇦🌻
I think it's not quite fair to decide that yet, because I am still learning and getting used to the Bosch. But, they are both amazing mixers, and made with quality that will last a long time, and they both will mix large batches of dough with ease.
Thanks for your video! I’ve been team Bosch for 20 years! I love mine! If it ever dies which I doubt it will I’ll buy another one. My son has my original one and it works like new still!
Great video! I’ve been using your recipes for almost a year and when my dough is a bit wet I imagine you on my shoulder saying “you don’t need to add more flour! 😊”…after watching this, I realized it’s a bit more nuanced than that and for a wet dough like this, a tiny bit of flour might help. I have this exact mixer :) Thanks for the tips! I’m also noticing how my dough changes season to season so as I get more confidence I will know how to adjust! 👍🏼
Thank you! Yes, sometimes there are times you may need to add flour, especially with the change in the season. It’s a total game changer when you start to learn about your dough! Thanks for sharing. 😊
just a heads up, mix your recipe for this no less than 15 minutes after your soak and you will see the dough will come off the bottom and sides of this mixer and you will enjoy using it even more. I use your recipe and you won't have to keep going up and down with the flour. I mix 20-25 minutes on 2-3 with an occasional side scrape. Under 15 minutes and it will look like your pre soak auto.. You saved me time now time to return the flavor...ty
@@GrainsInSmallPlaces My pleasure, as bad as you might want to add hold off... I have been trying fresh milled flour dough for two years trying to figure it out. I tried everything to try and get it right but the very high hydration level and that's when I had found you online... ty, also I purchased your book today... I was ready to scrap things and you just took me to a level I did not know existed... least I could do... ty ty ty
Sugar water works good as a basted topping on your fresh baked dinner rolls. It just adds a touch of sweetness to your rolls. By the way, I have ordered your book and it should be here Thursday. I have had the most success following your methods.
Hi Kara, I did order your cookbook, should be here tomorrow, yay! I have the white stainless steel Bosch. Really like it, it is heavy. I’m waiting for a mini Ankrashrum to fit on our counter, lol!
HI there. Your rolls look delicious, so thanks for sharing this. I am debating between the plastic and stainless steel bowl for the Bosch. The SS one doesn't look like it has a rolled lip. Is the edge on it on the sharp side? And since you have an Ankarsrum, do you think the SS Bosch bowl is as sturdy (heavy) as the Ankarsrum bowl? Thank you.
I sure would like to see how easy (or difficult) it is to clean the bowl and plastic center post of this mixer, especially where they come together. The Artiste mixer has a seam at the bottom the plastic bowl…and I worry about stuff collecting there. Thank you for the lovely recipe. I plan to use it next week!
I haven't had any issues with cleaning it, the bowl can also into the dishwasher. My pleasure! We love this roll recipe, it is always a crowd pleaser! :)
I’m really enjoying your videos and am learning a lot. I was wondering if you have a video or blog that addresses converting recipes to fresh milled flour? Do I need to just use the same amount of flour or does it take more or less flour than store bought flour? Thanks.
I have a video about All Purpose Flour substitutes- th-cam.com/video/ZfljrcQ1svQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Vp-KHJ-rudOAE_0j I also have a bread flour video- th-cam.com/video/TdxdB7PquSA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IOqDxFE19pcshXXO
Thank you Kara for using the Bosch. That’s what I have. Will the same be for the sourdough if I’m doubling the recipe.? in other words. Should I use double sourdough to be 115×2 or what amount should I use instead of the yeast if I’m doubling the recipe thanks
If using sourdough, I would double the whole recipe, including the starter, But, I wouldn't do an overnight ferment in the fridge. I find that fresh milled flour sourdough tends to over-ferment if so. Let me know how it goes! Happy Baking! :)
I plan to compare them in a future video. But, I think there are people on both sides that prefer one over the other. It depends on what you are looking for really. The Bosch kneads the dough quickly, but the Ank is a bit more gentle. They both are quality mixers and can handle large batches of dough.
Thank you for the lovely dinner roll recipe! I will use it this coming week. I sure would like to see how easy (or difficult) it is to clean the bowl and plastic center post of this mixer, especially where they come together. The Artiste mixer has a seam at the bottom the plastic bowl…and I worry about stuff collecting there. Thanks, again!
I guess it was meant to be. I kid you not, I'm in the process of making your rolls from your cookbook 😂 They are shaped and rising. Then I just saw your video. I have this mixer in white. I love it for bread doughs. It's definitely a work horse.
I'm really wanting either this one or the Ank. I keep going back and forth. It's not a small investment and certainly not one i want to regret because i found out the other would have served better. So I've not bout either yet. I'm waiting to hear a better comparison of the two.
Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one. They will both get the job done without struggle. Also, both built to last. The rest is just preference, and there are many people on both sides of the aisle. The Bosch is quicker at getting the dough kneaded, and the Ank is gentler. I would be happy with either one! :)
Just transitioning my sourdough to fmf. Grain mill on order. I am going to order a Bosch. Have you compared the plastic bowl with the stainless? Only $50 difference so stainless seems to be a better choice. Im going to add the baker's package. What would you choose?
I think they are both great! The stainless is wonderful because it is metal, but the white plastic bowl is less likely to have dough stick to it. The bakers package is great for cookies and cakes!
@GrainsInSmallPlaces thank you so much for your input. Based on your comment, my husband, the dishwasher said go with the plastic then. That sticky dough is an issue! 🤣
Maybe my question could be in the way I'm asking it... both the bosh and ankarsrum appear to do well for bread making. How do they both do for other uses such as cake mixes, cookie doughs whipping butters or creams? Thanks!
I wanted to use your link and discount code but unfortunately Black version of this mixer with the stainless steel bowl is already sold out. 😢 Wish they offered the white version with this same stainless bowl.
I'm sorry to hear that, They do have the stainless bowl you can add to the white mixer, but that appears sold out as well. I hope they get some more in stock before the end of the sale.
We make it work! lol. I did retire my little Bosch Compact this year, so it's no longer traveling with us. We do have a 42 FT Fifth Wheel, and luckily it has a decent amount of storage. :)
I cannot imagine dealing with that center post every time I use the mixer. The Ank is full open and I love that both for adding ingredients and for retrieving the dough when it’s done not to mention the ease of cleaning a solid flat bottomed bowl. I never use anything but roller and scrapper as it first came out with just that and for many years. I weighed out the difference before I purchased an so pleased with my decision it was the right one for me. I’m sure others have their needs met with the Bosch, after all still a free country 😉 love your cookbook, just noticed today no pie crust recipe in it that means we need another edition😂 soon. Please.
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We recently upgraded our tilt head artisan Kitchenaid to a Kitchenaid bowl raiser KSM60 for $350 (all metal gears, no sacrificial gear) and we're very happy with the results. The kneading time went from 30-35 mins to 10-15 mins. The 6 quart bowl with the spiral dough hook can make a variety of amounts. If a kitchenaid doesn't already pass the dime test, you've just got to adjust it so it does, and it'll handle small amounts well. We just throw it all in, and once the dough is starting to come together we stop it and use a spatula to get all the extra dough off the sides. I've noticed the earlier I do that, then it'll get done around 10 mins instead of 15 mins.
That is awesome to hear! I love hearing everyone's different experiences with different mixers. Thanks for sharing!
I am in Alberta Canada and I have to add about 1/2 c flour prior to kneading process, then I knead on 1 for 9 - 11 minutes depending on the weather. My bread turns out beautiful. Yes, I use fresh milled flour and I have 3 mills, the Classic, the Harvest and the Junior in case of power outage. I want to get your cookbook. Thank you Cara.
I am noticing that the Bosch likes a little bit of a stiffer dough than the Ankarsrum mixer. Thanks for the tip! Happy Baking! :)
Great instructions! I bought a reconditioned Bosch through a Canadian local company. I love how fast & easy it mixes, as apposed to my stand mixer. Thanks for your wonderful guide with the fresh milled flour! Blessings 🤗🇨🇦🌻
I’m so glad this was helpful for you! Thanks! :)
Which company did you use? I’m 🇨🇦 too :)
:-) I love my Bosch. My husband surprised me with one last Christmas. I have this recipe mark to make for our thanksgiving.
That was so kind of him! What a wonderful gift! :)
The big question.....would you swap your Ankarsrum for the Bosch ? :) 👍
I think it's not quite fair to decide that yet, because I am still learning and getting used to the Bosch. But, they are both amazing mixers, and made with quality that will last a long time, and they both will mix large batches of dough with ease.
@@GrainsInSmallPlacesThe Ankarsrum is my “Dream Mixer;” I hope you’ll keep us updated on your experience.
Thanks for your video! I’ve been team Bosch for 20 years! I love mine! If it ever dies which I doubt it will I’ll buy another one. My son has my original one and it works like new still!
They are definitely workhorses! I can see this lasting a very long time!
Thank you so much for this video! I appreciated the smaller batch. Thank you, suzie
You’re welcome, Suzie! I am happy to hear it was helpful! Happy Baking! :)
Great video! I’ve been using your recipes for almost a year and when my dough is a bit wet I imagine you on my shoulder saying “you don’t need to add more flour! 😊”…after watching this, I realized it’s a bit more nuanced than that and for a wet dough like this, a tiny bit of flour might help. I have this exact mixer :) Thanks for the tips! I’m also noticing how my dough changes season to season so as I get more confidence I will know how to adjust! 👍🏼
Thank you! Yes, sometimes there are times you may need to add flour, especially with the change in the season. It’s a total game changer when you start to learn about your dough! Thanks for sharing. 😊
just a heads up, mix your recipe for this no less than 15 minutes after your soak and you will see the dough will come off the bottom and sides of this mixer and you will enjoy using it even more. I use your recipe and you won't have to keep going up and down with the flour. I mix 20-25 minutes on 2-3 with an occasional side scrape. Under 15 minutes and it will look like your pre soak auto.. You saved me time now time to return the flavor...ty
this comment applies to this mixer..
Thanks so much for the tip! I am still getting adjusted to how it mixes differently than any other mixer. :)
@@GrainsInSmallPlaces My pleasure, as bad as you might want to add hold off... I have been trying fresh milled flour dough for two years trying to figure it out. I tried everything to try and get it right but the very high hydration level and that's when I had found you online... ty, also I purchased your book today... I was ready to scrap things and you just took me to a level I did not know existed... least I could do... ty ty ty
I am so happy to hear that! Thank you! :)
Sugar water works good as a basted topping on your fresh baked dinner rolls. It just adds a touch of sweetness to your rolls. By the way, I have ordered your book and it should be here Thursday. I have had the most success following your methods.
That is a great tip! I've never tried a sugar wash but it sounds delicious! I hope you love my cookbook! Thank you! :)
Thank you for sharing that tip, my boys will love it!
Hi Kara, I did order your cookbook, should be here tomorrow, yay! I have the white stainless steel Bosch. Really like it, it is heavy. I’m waiting for a mini Ankrashrum to fit on our counter, lol!
Awesome! Thanks so much! That would be cool! :)
HI there. Your rolls look delicious, so thanks for sharing this. I am debating between the plastic and stainless steel bowl for the Bosch. The SS one doesn't look like it has a rolled lip. Is the edge on it on the sharp side? And since you have an Ankarsrum, do you think the SS Bosch bowl is as sturdy (heavy) as the Ankarsrum bowl? Thank you.
It does not have a rolled lip, but I haven't noticed it to be sharp either. It is pretty heavy duty, maybe not quite as thick as the Ankarsrum bowl.
@@GrainsInSmallPlaces Thank you very much. Have a great day!
I have the Bosch and for my climate (I guess) mine works perfect on speed 3 for 12 minutes. It’s crazy how it varies!
Yes, there are so many differences. It is wonderful when you learn what works for your machine, climate, and dough! Thanks for sharing! :)
I sure would like to see how easy (or difficult) it is to clean the bowl and plastic center post of this mixer, especially where they come together. The Artiste mixer has a seam at the bottom the plastic bowl…and I worry about stuff collecting there.
Thank you for the lovely recipe. I plan to use it next week!
I haven't had any issues with cleaning it, the bowl can also into the dishwasher. My pleasure! We love this roll recipe, it is always a crowd pleaser! :)
I’m really enjoying your videos and am learning a lot. I was wondering if you have a video or blog that addresses converting recipes to fresh milled flour? Do I need to just use the same amount of flour or does it take more or less flour than store bought flour? Thanks.
I have a video about All Purpose Flour substitutes- th-cam.com/video/ZfljrcQ1svQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Vp-KHJ-rudOAE_0j
I also have a bread flour video- th-cam.com/video/TdxdB7PquSA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IOqDxFE19pcshXXO
Thank you Kara for using the Bosch. That’s what I have. Will the same be for the sourdough if I’m doubling the recipe.? in other words. Should I use double sourdough to be 115×2 or what amount should I use instead of the yeast if I’m doubling the recipe thanks
If using sourdough, I would double the whole recipe, including the starter, But, I wouldn't do an overnight ferment in the fridge. I find that fresh milled flour sourdough tends to over-ferment if so. Let me know how it goes! Happy Baking! :)
One of my favorite special gains to add is rye, I do about 10% typically, it actually helps keep the bread soft longer!
Sounds like a delicious addition! Thanks! :)
How does this mixer compare to the Ankarsrum mixer?
I plan to compare them in a future video. But, I think there are people on both sides that prefer one over the other. It depends on what you are looking for really. The Bosch kneads the dough quickly, but the Ank is a bit more gentle. They both are quality mixers and can handle large batches of dough.
How does it affect the dough, the difference between the two and the anks gentleness? @@GrainsInSmallPlaces
Thank you for the lovely dinner roll recipe! I will use it this coming week. I sure would like to see how easy (or difficult) it is to clean the bowl and plastic center post of this mixer, especially where they come together. The Artiste mixer has a seam at the bottom the plastic bowl…and I worry about stuff collecting there. Thanks, again!
I guess it was meant to be. I kid you not, I'm in the process of making your rolls from your cookbook 😂
They are shaped and rising. Then I just saw your video. I have this mixer in white. I love it for bread doughs. It's definitely a work horse.
So fun, I love how life works sometimes! :) Yes, it is for sure!
I'm really wanting either this one or the Ank. I keep going back and forth. It's not a small investment and certainly not one i want to regret because i found out the other would have served better. So I've not bout either yet. I'm waiting to hear a better comparison of the two.
Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one. They will both get the job done without struggle. Also, both built to last. The rest is just preference, and there are many people on both sides of the aisle. The Bosch is quicker at getting the dough kneaded, and the Ank is gentler. I would be happy with either one! :)
Just transitioning my sourdough to fmf. Grain mill on order. I am going to order a Bosch. Have you compared the plastic bowl with the stainless? Only $50 difference so stainless seems to be a better choice. Im going to add the baker's package. What would you choose?
I think they are both great! The stainless is wonderful because it is metal, but the white plastic bowl is less likely to have dough stick to it. The bakers package is great for cookies and cakes!
@GrainsInSmallPlaces thank you so much for your input. Based on your comment, my husband, the dishwasher said go with the plastic then. That sticky dough is an issue! 🤣
Maybe my question could be in the way I'm asking it... both the bosh and ankarsrum appear to do well for bread making. How do they both do for other uses such as cake mixes, cookie doughs whipping butters or creams? Thanks!
Ahhh, I see. I have not had my Bosch long enough to have tested all those things, but I plan to have some videos in the future showing it! :)
Classic Grain Mill or Impact?! Which one should I buy? 😬
Honestly, they are both wonderful mills! The main differences are the price, and the size, the amount of flour/grain they can mill.
How do I obtain the discount code for the mixer?
Use the coupon code: grainy at checkout.
www.nutrimill.com/GRAINSINSMALLPLACES
I wanted to use your link and discount code but unfortunately Black version of this mixer with the stainless steel bowl is already sold out. 😢 Wish they offered the white version with this same stainless bowl.
I'm sorry to hear that, They do have the stainless bowl you can add to the white mixer, but that appears sold out as well. I hope they get some more in stock before the end of the sale.
Any reason you didn’t melt your butter with the water as you do in your other recipes.
It can be done either way. If it's cold in my kitchen, or I forget to set out my butter, and it's not super soft, then I will melt it.
I keep hearing that if you make small batches (3 1/2 cups) it does not Knead well. Do you think your Bosch or Nutrimill worked best for you.
I think they are both great mixers, but I wouldn't do a batch smaller than that in either mixer. :)
How in the world are you keeping all these mixers and all these mills in your tiny little trailer?
We make it work! lol. I did retire my little Bosch Compact this year, so it's no longer traveling with us. We do have a 42 FT Fifth Wheel, and luckily it has a decent amount of storage. :)
Team Ankarsrum for me. Not a fan of the Bosch or NutriMill at all.
Understandable, there are definitely people who prefer one over the other. I am seeing benefits of both! Thanks for sharing :)
I definitely WANT one. It may sound like a small thing, but IMO, the open bowl is a major PLUS.
I cannot imagine dealing with that center post every time I use the mixer. The Ank is full open and I love that both for adding ingredients and for retrieving the dough when it’s done not to mention the ease of cleaning a solid flat bottomed bowl. I never use anything but roller and scrapper as it first came out with just that and for many years. I weighed out the difference before I purchased an so pleased with my decision it was the right one for me. I’m sure others have their needs met with the Bosch, after all still a free country 😉 love your cookbook, just noticed today no pie crust recipe in it that means we need another edition😂 soon. Please.