I bought the Artiste after I saw yours. I just got the black Bosch, always loved this brand. I bought my mom, over 20yrs back, an Ankarsrum; found out, not long ago, that she never used it, so I have that too.
I’m on team Bosch and have been for 20 years. My mom raised us on fresh milled flour and had an old wooden magic mill in the 1970s. She and my 5 older sisters had Bosch mixers and gifted me my first one. My son now has that one and I have another one. Many of my extended family members have the old style Bosch mixers from the 70s and 80s that work like new still. We are a large family of bread bakers and all mill our own grains. Love your channel. Love your recipes too!
I make 6 loaves of bread in my Bosch Universal Plus in one batch. I double your 3 loaf recipe. My husband bought me the Bakers pkg. That plaztis thingy is for scrapeing the sides as well as scraping the center
I have a Nurtimill mixer and am happy with it. I do use the Family Mill Flaker for Bosch with the Artiste, which is great! The Artiste has footpads on the side for turning it sideways for the flaker - just like with the Bosch- but the Artiste must be propped up when using the flaker because it doesn’t has the round blender part on the back like the Bosch does. I only make 1 loaf of bread at a time and rarely ever make cookies, etc. I also already have a food processor, ice cream maker and more, so Bosch is just overkill for me. Thank you for the comparison!
Excellent video. The best description so far. I really think the Artiste would work for me, but I’ll purchase the Bosch as the quality seems better to me. Thanks for your honest demo it was great. You have answered my questions and now I can make my purchase. Happy Holidays!!
I have had a BOSCH since the early 90s. It is still going strong. i used to decorate cakes and I could use 4 pounds of powdered sugar to make icing. It would have probably tolerated more than 4 pounds. I have always used it to make bread and it is so simple and it does the job. I would not be without it. Mine says it has 700 WATTS . It only has 3 speeds.. Mine came with a blender. It will crush ice to powder. It is an amazing machine. Glad to see they still make quality products. If mine quit today, I could not complain and would definitely invest in another! Thanks for sharing your insight. I do notice that my drive does not just screw out. You have to use an actual screw driver. Mine also has an insert that goes around the drive where you place the dough hooks. But basically it is the same machine. Now what my 700 Watts is compared to the info you shared, I cannot say. I just know that it moves and kneads and makes bread making very simple and consistent!
Great job doing the comparison! You covered a lot of differences people may not consider. Could you please do that same type of comparison between the Bosh and the Ankersham? Thank you so much!
I have the nutrimill but have all the parts for Bosch. Found Bosch at goodwill. The only and the major (of course) is the motor. I wish I could find a motor.
I would have chosen a Bosch if I could have afforded it. I have an Artiste because I couldn’t wait another year or more to save for a Bosch. I am very happy with my purchase. I have time to bake bread or other whole wheat recipes at least twice a week so the capacity is not as much an issue. My favorite cookbook is still Breadbeckers Red Book! I like your bread recipe as well Felicia!
I have a 31 yr old Classic Kitchenaid. Such a reliable workhorse. I’d like to augment with a Bosch or even Anskarum. Are you going to do a video re the Anskarum?
I have an Ank and it’s an amazing machine, I love it. It walks through heavy doughs like nothing. I regularly make 4 loaves at a time, there is room for an even larger batch and it’s so easy. There is a learning curve, lots of vids showing how to use it.
I have the Ank and really love it. I also some of the attachments, the flaker and veg slicer. I use the flaker to make freshly rolled oats to make a fabulous oatmeal.
I bought the Artiste first then sold it to buy the Bosch - I miss the Artiste!! I should have kept it. I hated the Bosch and sold it. Then I bought the Zacme 7.4 quart and so far I love it.
Waiting for my Artiste to arrive . I am an empty nester and don’t have freezer space for too many loaves. I will keep my Kitchenaid Pro 6 for cookies and cakes. Thank you, Felicia
I started with the Artiste. It just didn't work out for me. I think I was the exception not the rule. After 5 months I started having problems. Customer service is great and as it turned out I got a refund and bought the Bosch Universal. I've heard great things how people really like their Artiste so therefore I'm sure I just got the exception. I have not regretted my Bosch.
Unfortunately, there are just sometimes flukes. But so glad Nutrimill came through with their customer service! I think we can handle things not working so long as we are treated well as customers :-)
Thankyou Felicia love your comparison, especially for us who are considering investing into a mixer. ❤ off this subject I ordered Verena Street coffee and really like it, thanks for the recommendation 🎉 they even gave me a 10 ounce freebie with my order! 😊
Keep in mind there are several different models of the KitchenAid. I follow another channel, she uses her’s a LOT. I think her’s is the Pro or Commercial. I don’t have a heavy duty one, but still works perfectly for tortillas and cookies with fresh milled flour.
Ah yes, there are many different models of the KA. The key things you need to look at are the motor and the dough capacity. For the first several years, I had a regular stand mixer and it worked well for ONE loaf of bread. Then the motor eventually gave up the ghost and I needed something that could make more than one loaf anyway. I do believe that the heaviness of the dough wore out the motor much faster. For those with a commercial KA, they're probably good. But if you have a smaller one it's possible that making bread with FMF is fine, but it may wear out the motor sooner because of the heaviness of the dough. Also, if you're wanting to make large amounts at once, that can be an issue too. Honestly, work with what you have. Then figure out what you are wanting out of a mixer and choose then!
I've had my Bosch for sometime. Haven't had a chance to use 😥. Do you have or know how the ice cream mixer? Do you have or any chance you can do a video on it?. Thanks ❤
Does the stainless bowl work in either of the ones you compared? Also, you do such a great job and thank you for your love of teaching about grains, health and Bible! God bless you and yours!
We have had the Bosch mixer for about a year now. I love it, except for one thing. I wish we had never used the "scraper attachment". It works great but it wears on the center column and I feel like maybe we are getting a little bit of plastic in our food. I ordered and just got the stainless steel bowl ($150 with $20 discount thank you Grains & Grit) thinking I would eliminate that plastic center column. But the stainless steel bowl also has a plastic center column. We will keep the stainless steel bowl but we've decided we just won't use the "scraper attachment". I'm not saying don't buy the Bosch, I'm just saying don't use the scraper attachment. I really LOVE the mixer!
Back in 2020, I really wanted a Bosch, but found a package deal I couldn’t pass up. I got a WonderMill and the WonderMix for less than the Bosch would have cost. I can make 5 loaves at a time so it’s fine for us. However, I’m still planning / dreaming of getting an Ankarsrum.
Thank you for the complete comparison between the two! Question about flaking oats, would that be just oat grain or oat groats? I haven’t found a resource with the difference. The Bosch would be the winner for me, love all the attachments. Thanks for the discount!
Dear Felecia. Your you tube is a ministry. Thank you. So i am going to use spelt for the gut sensitivity . Can i make 6 loaves of bread at a time with spelt? Do you knead spelt? I just ordered the Bosch and now i am second guessing myself.
@ i am just a little confused. So einkorn and spelt are both ancient grain both called spelt sort of little spelt and large spelt. But i am told einkorn does not like to be kneaded and you saying i can? That would be great
Because bread dough is rough on normal tilt-head and bowl life stand mixers. As bread dough needs to be kneaded for 8 to 20 minutes (or longer, depending on the type), this can burn out most stand mixers. The Ankarsrum, Bosch, Nutrimill mixers have the bottom-based motor and the strength to properly knead dough and in much shorter time. Thick batters and doughs push regular stand mixers to their limits. It's not that regular top-based stand mixer can't mix bread dough, it's that it can wear the inner gears quicker because of the top motor force and speed. Hope this helps.
@@epluribusunum1978thanks for breaking this down, I have a kitchen Aid and I was pushing it I think, this makes a lot of sense, I will probably have to get one of these mixers very soon
@@GrainsandGrit Felicia, once you get the Ankarsrum, it may supplant your Bosch as your bread-making mixer. There is NOTHING like the Ankarsrum. I have one and love it. Once you see how the dough roller works, you're hooked. It's amazing! There is a slight learning curve, but there are numerous videos on YT to show you what to do. I watched them and had no trouble at all the firs time I used it. The Ankarsrum is worth EVERY penny. Plus their customer service is second to none.
My problem with the Bosch is the plastic. It breaks. The middle column has those, I don't know what you call them, the fluted top, those can chip off. My cake paddles became useless the second time I used them because of that. The scraper attachment which is very nice when you're mixing cakes also broke very early on. I love it for bread. I love the lid. I still make cakes , I just use the wire whip attachment. I use the cookie paddles although one of them doesn't spin like it should. I love being able to look down into the bowl. The mixer is a work horse for sure. But I don't like the plastic.
Oh wow, I haven't had those issues at all! So sorry that happened to you. I think it's just hard to get away from plastic these days ha Even the Ankarskrum has plastic with it.
Felicia, great video for those seeking these types of mixers, however, can we dispense with the KA just doesn’t cut it when using fresh milled whole grain flour nonsense? As with any mixer the horsepower & dough capacity matters and just as the Artiste does not & cannot perform as the Bosch for these reasons, neither can one compare a 4.5/5 qt standard KA with one like mine, the 8qt commercial bowl lift KA that handles fresh milled whole grain bread dough beautifully. Just sayin’, can we at least keep things in perspective & especially with honesty & integrity?
That KA 8 quart commercial bowl probably can handle it well. It's for commercial uses. But , from my Google research, it is WAY more expensive than the Bosch, Artiste, and even the Ankarskrum. When I mention the KA not handling dough well, I'm talking about the typical KA mixers most people have. I can make dough in it, yes, but most of the models don't have a strong enough motor and it's going to wear it out faster and I can't make the large amounts like in my Bosch.
@@GrainsandGrit Very true about the cost of the KA Commercial 8. They raised the price, in April, an extra $150 for both models (one with a safety cage and the one without). I was able to get mine (no cage) for well under $700, but I won't use it for bread dough. I make 2 13 inch Pullman loaves and use only the Ankarsrum for it. I'd kill the Comm 8 otherwise. The 8 is great for everything else, though.
I have a KA 6qt, stripped the worm gear very quickly, husband replaced the gear, it’s not that hard to do but I bought an Ank for my heavy bread dough and it’s fabulous. However for making cakes and other things with batter rather than dough I still love the KA. A commercial KA is a beast, too heavy to move it unless it’s on a cart.
i replaced a kitchenaid with a nutramill artiste. my eife and i both over heated the unit once, if the bosch has the same size (watts} is there any value to up grade to bosch?
I want to encourage you to grind your own flour!! It’s how humanity has been doing it for thousands of years and it’s how God designed us to consume whole grains 😀
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I bought the Artiste after I saw yours. I just got the black Bosch, always loved this brand. I bought my mom, over 20yrs back, an Ankarsrum; found out, not long ago, that she never used it, so I have that too.
I’m on team Bosch and have been for 20 years. My mom raised us on fresh milled flour and had an old wooden magic mill in the 1970s. She and my 5 older sisters had Bosch mixers and gifted me my first one. My son now has that one and I have another one. Many of my extended family members have the old style Bosch mixers from the 70s and 80s that work like new still. We are a large family of bread bakers and all mill our own grains. Love your channel. Love your recipes too!
That is awesome!! Such a great legacy!
I just got a Bosch on marketplace for $50 and so far I love it ❤️❤️
This was so timely. I have been doing research on both of these. My poor KA can not keep up with the dough I make.
Thank you Felicia
You are most welcome!
I make 6 loaves of bread in my Bosch Universal Plus in one batch. I double your 3 loaf recipe. My husband bought me the Bakers pkg. That plaztis thingy is for scrapeing the sides as well as scraping the center
I have the Artiste which works great for me, just my husband and myself. Great comparison.
I have a Nurtimill mixer and am happy with it.
I do use the Family Mill Flaker for Bosch with the Artiste, which is great!
The Artiste has footpads on the side for turning it sideways for the flaker - just like with the Bosch- but the Artiste must be propped up when using the flaker because it doesn’t has the round blender part on the back like the Bosch does.
I only make 1 loaf of bread at a time and rarely ever make cookies, etc. I also already have a food processor, ice cream maker and more, so Bosch is just overkill for me.
Thank you for the comparison!
Thanks for sharing. I just purchased the Artiste before you did this video and its just hubby and me so i think it was a good choice.
Excellent video. The best description so far. I really think the Artiste would work for me, but I’ll purchase the Bosch as the quality seems better to me. Thanks for your honest demo it was great. You have answered my questions and now I can make my purchase. Happy Holidays!!
I have had a BOSCH since the early 90s. It is still going strong. i used to decorate cakes and I could use 4 pounds of powdered sugar to make icing. It would have probably tolerated more than 4 pounds. I have always used it to make bread and it is so simple and it does the job. I would not be without it. Mine says it has 700 WATTS . It only has 3 speeds.. Mine came with a blender. It will crush ice to powder. It is an amazing machine. Glad to see they still make quality products. If mine quit today, I could not complain and would definitely invest in another! Thanks for sharing your insight. I do notice that my drive does not just screw out. You have to use an actual screw driver. Mine also has an insert that goes around the drive where you place the dough hooks. But basically it is the same machine. Now what my 700 Watts is compared to the info you shared, I cannot say. I just know that it moves and kneads and makes bread making very simple and consistent!
That's wonderful! You're not the first I've heard to talk about how long the Bosch lasts. Appliances lasting this long is rare these days.
@GrainsandGrit definitely..refrigerators and washers esp.
Great job doing the comparison! You covered a lot of differences people may not consider. Could you please do that same type of comparison between the Bosh and the Ankersham? Thank you so much!
When I get my hands on one, I certainly will!
This was helpful, Thank you. One point to know, the stainless steel hook is sold setup separately.
This is so helpful!❤❤ Thank you so much!!
You're so welcome!
I have the nutrimill but have all the parts for Bosch. Found Bosch at goodwill. The only and the major (of course) is the motor. I wish I could find a motor.
I would have chosen a Bosch if I could have afforded it. I have an Artiste because I couldn’t wait another year or more to save for a Bosch. I am very happy with my purchase. I have time to bake bread or other whole wheat recipes at least twice a week so the capacity is not as much an issue.
My favorite cookbook is still Breadbeckers Red Book! I like your bread recipe as well Felicia!
Woo hoo!! I have a friend with a large family and she has the Artiste and it works well for their uses just fine too :-)
I have a 31 yr old Classic Kitchenaid. Such a reliable workhorse. I’d like to augment with a Bosch or even Anskarum. Are you going to do a video re the Anskarum?
If I get an Ank, you better believe there will be a video !
I have an Ank and it’s an amazing machine, I love it. It walks through heavy doughs like nothing. I regularly make 4 loaves at a time, there is room for an even larger batch and it’s so easy. There is a learning curve, lots of vids showing how to use it.
I have the Ank and really love it. I also some of the attachments, the flaker and veg slicer. I use the flaker to make freshly rolled oats to make a fabulous oatmeal.
I bought both used, at a deal I couldn't pass up, now I gotta figure out which one I will be selling. But not before I test them both.
I bought the Artiste first then sold it to buy the Bosch - I miss the Artiste!! I should have kept it. I hated the Bosch and sold it. Then I bought the Zacme 7.4 quart and so far I love it.
Waiting for my Artiste to arrive . I am an empty nester and don’t have freezer space for too many loaves. I will keep my Kitchenaid Pro 6 for cookies and cakes.
Thank you, Felicia
Sounds like a great setup!
Both of them can make butter without having buttermilk sprayed throughout your kitchen!
Bosch hands down. I don’t have either, but Bosch is a quality product.
I have to agree!
I started with the Artiste. It just didn't work out for me. I think I was the exception not the rule. After 5 months I started having problems. Customer service is great and as it turned out I got a refund and bought the Bosch Universal. I've heard great things how people really like their Artiste so therefore I'm sure I just got the exception. I have not regretted my Bosch.
Unfortunately, there are just sometimes flukes. But so glad Nutrimill came through with their customer service! I think we can handle things not working so long as we are treated well as customers :-)
Thankyou Felicia love your comparison, especially for us who are considering investing into a mixer. ❤ off this subject I ordered Verena Street coffee and really like it, thanks for the recommendation 🎉 they even gave me a 10 ounce freebie with my order! 😊
woo hoo!!! Verena street is delicious and that Black Friday Sale is just too good to pass up! Glad you enjoy it :-)
Hello, does either one of these do that stretch and tuck (I think that’s what it’s called) technique while kneading the dough?
I am new to grinding my own wheat. Will you explain why the KitchenAid isn't as good with fresh wheat as these two are? 🌷🌷
Keep in mind there are several different models of the KitchenAid. I follow another channel, she uses her’s a LOT. I think her’s is the Pro or Commercial. I don’t have a heavy duty one, but still works perfectly for tortillas and cookies with fresh milled flour.
My question exactly
@@barb7014 Thank you!
Ah yes, there are many different models of the KA. The key things you need to look at are the motor and the dough capacity. For the first several years, I had a regular stand mixer and it worked well for ONE loaf of bread. Then the motor eventually gave up the ghost and I needed something that could make more than one loaf anyway. I do believe that the heaviness of the dough wore out the motor much faster.
For those with a commercial KA, they're probably good. But if you have a smaller one it's possible that making bread with FMF is fine, but it may wear out the motor sooner because of the heaviness of the dough.
Also, if you're wanting to make large amounts at once, that can be an issue too.
Honestly, work with what you have. Then figure out what you are wanting out of a mixer and choose then!
@@GrainsandGrit Thank you!!! 🌷
I've had my Bosch for sometime. Haven't had a chance to use 😥. Do you have or know how the ice cream mixer? Do you have or any chance you can do a video on it?. Thanks ❤
I do have the ice cream attachment, but I haven't tried it yet ha I need to!
Does the stainless bowl work in either of the ones you compared? Also, you do such a great job and thank you for your love of teaching about grains, health and Bible! God bless you and yours!
I believe the stainless steel bowl is just for the Bosch.
We have had the Bosch mixer for about a year now. I love it, except for one thing. I wish we had never used the "scraper attachment". It works great but it wears on the center column and I feel like maybe we are getting a little bit of plastic in our food. I ordered and just got the stainless steel bowl ($150 with $20 discount thank you Grains & Grit) thinking I would eliminate that plastic center column. But the stainless steel bowl also has a plastic center column. We will keep the stainless steel bowl but we've decided we just won't use the "scraper attachment". I'm not saying don't buy the Bosch, I'm just saying don't use the scraper attachment. I really LOVE the mixer!
Yeah I do like how that is at least optional, unlike the Artiste. So if you just don't want that plastic part, you can do without :-)
Back in 2020, I really wanted a Bosch, but found a package deal I couldn’t pass up. I got a WonderMill and the WonderMix for less than the Bosch would have cost. I can make 5 loaves at a time so it’s fine for us. However, I’m still planning / dreaming of getting an Ankarsrum.
That is a good deal!! Yeah whatever you have, if it's working, stick with it, and one day you can upgrade :-)
Thank you for the complete comparison between the two! Question about flaking oats, would that be just oat grain or oat groats? I haven’t found a resource with the difference. The Bosch would be the winner for me, love all the attachments. Thanks for the discount!
Aren’t they the same thing? I flake about groats
You flake oat groats.
@ thank you!
Dear Felecia. Your you tube is a ministry. Thank you. So i am going to use spelt for the gut sensitivity . Can i make 6 loaves of bread at a time with spelt? Do you knead spelt? I just ordered the Bosch and now i am second guessing myself.
Oh you can do spelt just fine in the Bosch. It's just a wheat, that's all :-)
@ thank you.
@ i am just a little confused. So einkorn and spelt are both ancient grain both called spelt sort of little spelt and large spelt. But i am told einkorn does not like to be kneaded and you saying i can? That would be great
I'm new here. Why can't a stand mixer work with home milled grains? Thanks.
Because bread dough is rough on normal tilt-head and bowl life stand mixers. As bread dough needs to be kneaded for 8 to 20 minutes (or longer, depending on the type), this can burn out most stand mixers. The Ankarsrum, Bosch, Nutrimill mixers have the bottom-based motor and the strength to properly knead dough and in much shorter time. Thick batters and doughs push regular stand mixers to their limits. It's not that regular top-based stand mixer can't mix bread dough, it's that it can wear the inner gears quicker because of the top motor force and speed. Hope this helps.
I agree with everything @epluribusubnum1978 said!!!
@@epluribusunum1978thanks for breaking this down, I have a kitchen Aid and I was pushing it I think, this makes a lot of sense, I will probably have to get one of these mixers very soon
@@Lovelyhandz Glad to help. It's why I invested in the Ankarsrum. I didn't want to kill my KitchenAid.
Bought the ankarsrum a couple of weeks ago. Wise purchase.
I can’t wait to get one.
One of these days I will have one and try it out for myself! lol
@@GrainsandGrit they are worth it! I made bread by hand for years up until 2 weeks ago.
@@GrainsandGrit Felicia, once you get the Ankarsrum, it may supplant your Bosch as your bread-making mixer. There is NOTHING like the Ankarsrum. I have one and love it. Once you see how the dough roller works, you're hooked. It's amazing! There is a slight learning curve, but there are numerous videos on YT to show you what to do. I watched them and had no trouble at all the firs time I used it. The Ankarsrum is worth EVERY penny. Plus their customer service is second to none.
My problem with the Bosch is the plastic. It breaks. The middle column has those, I don't know what you call them, the fluted top, those can chip off. My cake paddles became useless the second time I used them because of that. The scraper attachment which is very nice when you're mixing cakes also broke very early on. I love it for bread. I love the lid. I still make cakes , I just use the wire whip attachment. I use the cookie paddles although one of them doesn't spin like it should. I love being able to look down into the bowl. The mixer is a work horse for sure. But I don't like the plastic.
Oh wow, I haven't had those issues at all! So sorry that happened to you. I think it's just hard to get away from plastic these days ha Even the Ankarskrum has plastic with it.
Felicia, great video for those seeking these types of mixers, however, can we dispense with the KA just doesn’t cut it when using fresh milled whole grain flour nonsense? As with any mixer the horsepower & dough capacity matters and just as the Artiste does not & cannot perform as the Bosch for these reasons, neither can one compare a 4.5/5 qt standard KA with one like mine, the 8qt commercial bowl lift KA that handles fresh milled whole grain bread dough beautifully. Just sayin’, can we at least keep things in perspective & especially with honesty & integrity?
My daughter large kitchen aid like yours just bit the dust trying to mill fresh ground 3 loaves.
That KA 8 quart commercial bowl probably can handle it well. It's for commercial uses. But , from my Google research, it is WAY more expensive than the Bosch, Artiste, and even the Ankarskrum. When I mention the KA not handling dough well, I'm talking about the typical KA mixers most people have. I can make dough in it, yes, but most of the models don't have a strong enough motor and it's going to wear it out faster and I can't make the large amounts like in my Bosch.
@@GrainsandGrit Very true about the cost of the KA Commercial 8. They raised the price, in April, an extra $150 for both models (one with a safety cage and the one without). I was able to get mine (no cage) for well under $700, but I won't use it for bread dough. I make 2 13 inch Pullman loaves and use only the Ankarsrum for it. I'd kill the Comm 8 otherwise. The 8 is great for everything else, though.
I have a KA 6qt, stripped the worm gear very quickly, husband replaced the gear, it’s not that hard to do but I bought an Ank for my heavy bread dough and it’s fabulous. However for making cakes and other things with batter rather than dough I still love the KA. A commercial KA is a beast, too heavy to move it unless it’s on a cart.
i replaced a kitchenaid with a nutramill artiste. my eife and i both over heated the unit once, if the bosch has the same size (watts} is there any value to up grade to bosch?
I would upgrade to the Bosch from the Artiste if you find you want the larger capacity. Otherwise, both motors are great and can handle FMF very well.
Can the Artiste make pie crust?
Yep!
@GrainsandGrit awesome. Thanks.
I just use my bread machine to make my bread dough. I don't have plans to grind my own flour.
I want to encourage you to grind your own flour!! It’s how humanity has been doing it for thousands of years and it’s how God designed us to consume whole grains 😀