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Flats every 3 seconds "Cook" "he's cooking" "let him cook" "he's not cooking " , it's like a kid who learned a new swear word
bro let him cook
Also this is better than the sheesh era
Yet he complains about the tiktok comments being repetitive??? No. This shall not stand bruh 💀💀💀
@@khaledm.1476how dare you
@@khaledm.1476 we don't talk about the sheesh era
I think the issue with not many players knowing that Cass can survive a pulse bomb with roll is part of the issue that Blizzard just utterly refuses to put numbers and pivotal game mechanic explanations in the game. Which makes absolutely no sense to me, maybe the new OW2 players wouldn't be so shit if the mechanics of the game were actually explained to them. Like why not just put "Cassidy has a damage reduction of 50% on his roll" or "Brigitte's inspire has a 20 meter radius." This is something that's irked me about the game since Overwatch 1, and I don't understand why they don't change it. It's kinda dumb that you have to go shoot training bots to find out how much damage a hero does
It makes sense for the quick, in-game ability tips but they Need a feature in the hero gallery for detailed breakdowns
Hard agree
It would be so nice to have something that says "Brig heals by hitting things" somewhere. The amount of players (and i'm talking like people who played OW1 for years) who still think Brig only heals with heal packs and that Brig should be "dealing not DPSing" is insane.
And the health that the training bots have isn't even clear
Man, I've been playing for years and didn't know Cass roll had a damage reduction
"It disguises your copy choice"
Echo: DUPLICATING BASTION
same as when reaper screams FLANKING
ADAPTIVE CIRCUITS ENGAGED: BASTION
there's a solid 3 seconds before you hear the actual name to be fair
The thing about Cass's roll is that it's not mentioned that it reduces damage in the information screen. Not to mention if you're coming into OW2 with OW1 experience you may not think twice about Cass's role being used just to reload.
Edit: typo :/
13:04 this is pure facts. A widowmaker can have 15 kills in 10 minutes, while the tank and other dps have 25 kills. You would think that the other dps and tank are doing better when in reality the widow can be getting early picks every fight which secures the wins.
Not all stats are equal. The first 1/2 kills of the fight are always more influential and the last 3. Spam damage that gets healed is not as good as damage the secures a kill. Stats may help but there are many things that not even the statboard can show us.
at 6:00, that positioning is pretty damn good for ana, but good positioning dont mean shit if your whole team is out of position relative to that good position. Trying to find good positioning based on your teammates bad positioning is a great way to climb if they straight up wont listen to you in regards of where they should be playing. Adaptability is key. Later down the line is when inherently good positioning matters most tho so try and learn both.
Yup. "It's better to do something dumb together than smart alone"
Best advice I've heard: "play with the team you have, not the team you want"
4:08 (solo shatters a hero and charges them off the map) "hey is X hero still a Rein counter?"
I would've considered the Reaper pixel achievement a hard one in the past, but it's honestly about as hard as his other achievement. You just need to engage before the rest of your team, prefixing on three before popping ult. It's not as easy as it sounds, but it's easier than getting three kills with one clip the normal way.
It's easy peasy, considering that ult kills count towards the achievement. You just need a big reaper ult, which is pretty easy.
id argue the harest one now is mercies big rez, without her old team rez getting 5 rezes in a game without dying is basically impossible, if you were to somehow rez someone off cooldown nonstop it would take a MINIMUM of 2.5 mins to get, all without dying, now consider not every rez is a safe rez and there isnt always a dead person all the time.... this can easily require 4+ mins to do, i genuinely think this achievement is effectively impossible now, they need to reduce the rezes to 3 atleast
@@XiaoYueMao top 3 of Lucio, bap and mercy then? The zen one genuinely isn't very hard idk why it was on the list
Yes, but you can duo and have a teammate feed. Or just play really far back and use your mobility to escape. The Bap one requires building a minimum of two _ultimates_, not cooldowns, which can be absolute hell to get use of with bad team comps.
@@XiaoYueMao literal skill issue, i got this achievement without even trying to get it
*SNIFFFF* , Mm yes.. smells like a genji nerf to me.
Ammo Reduction to 3 and 150 hp should be enough
@@devro62ari32 no still too broken no ammo melee only remove the move forward and jump button and give him 1 hp and we’re good
@@acroafro891 Only solution is deleting him from the game so nobody gets carried by that Op character
I’m glad genji is nerfed, and I’m tired of pretending I’m not
I've heard this same joke so many times and it still makes me audibly laugh
I say just make it that shields count as loss of los for Zen, so that every tank besides JC and Orisa has a way to more easily get discord off of themselves. Don't change the dmg increase, just make it easier to take off. - a Zen player
@Crimson honetsky thrtas the biggest issue, the fact that you can't cleanse it, and when you do it's INSTANTLY reapplied just makes it pretty much a permanent 15% damage increase on you
@@fezthedracky8468 yeah, it needs a cooldown.
@@damp2269 a cooldown would ruin zens entire flow. just make it easier to cleanse off like the first comment suggested. it's not like every tank needs to be strong against discord but certain tanks like rein, winton, sigma should be able to work against it.
Who's JC?
Junkercween?
or make it a skill shot like sleep dart which i can block as rein or eat as dva
The bap one is 2000 healing/damage without dying, so you just have to survive long enough to get multiple bap walls
good luck doing that
"Just don't die 4head" 🤣🤣
As a Valorant player I relate to the last point so much. Some duelists (basically like OW tanks) like to lurk way to much and get 1-3 kills and say they did their part. While the rest of the team is struggling to enter site and eventually loses the round. Some people cate too much about their KDA and not about the rounds lost/won or doing their agents role and then flame their teammates for losing rounds
If ur tank gets more than one kill and ur team can’t walk in that is a skill issue
@@imeqa5409 your team? So like the team gets a kill and the tank doesn't push up? Gotta be really low ranks, not even true in gold.
@@BrofUJu not what I said
@@imeqa5409 but if your tank got a kill but your team got jumped by 4 players behind him then you're losing. A group with a tank will almost always win over a team without
@@mrblooper1994 notice I said more than one kill
actually ive been getting people in bronze to plat in masters ALL DAY yesterday. like its a HUGE issue cause I didn't get anyone anywhere near my rank almost all day after the 5th round in a row like that I just stopped asking and checking ranks where I could through the masses of hidden profiles. it was BAD the played bad, positioned bad, got mad at anything and everything, LOSed me every 3 seconds so they never got healing while screaming as loud as possible to blame me for them LOSing me.... so yeah no this is a MAJOR issue and explains why all my teams feel like they have been throwing almost all season, its no wonder we keep making incredibly dumb mistakes when everyone is in silver/gold average
Yeah, it doesn’t matter if they’re masters on tank and silver on support, their game sense, reaction time, knowledge and general skill floor is way better than any other silver, gold, or even plat player. The amount of times I see a masters player in my plat lobbies on an off role and we get rolled bc their fundamentals are so significantly better is unreal. Then I’ll have a silver or bronze player on my team with quite literally 0 picks and 2k damage on junkrat 18 minutes into the game, while they’ve got a random masters Cassidy with 45 picks and 15k damage is unreal. I feel like a passenger in my games, where either I completely pop off and hard carry or I have literally 0 impact on whether we win or lose, all I can do is speed it up or slow it down.
Bruh I had this today. I just now got into ranked and im silver- had plat enemys (or just generally obvious better players) just made me not want to try ranked again
@@urfork1 im in the kinda reverse seat, I can easily roll people but only if my teams arent feeding and throwing by not doing things I see as incredibly simple and basic. taking high ground, taking out supports when a chance arrives, not ONLY shooting the tank, don't shoot the person a support is pocketing shoot the support instead, etc. there are so many things that just make since to do to me as a support main, mostly kiriko, that so many people just don't know at lower ranks like gold, silver, bronze. at least most people above gold know these things and can usually execute them fairly consistently and wont be wildly different than diamond and low masters. although after masters 4 the skill gap gets apparent VERY quickly. i know I'm not great at DPS or Tank and don't deserve more than low diamond on either of them but for support most of the time my teams are just not good and I cant make them do better either, only help them do certain things. SO MANY people think getting healing makes them immortal and don't even TRY to not die anymore so if I don't use EVERYTHING to save them all game then I end up losing cause they will feed all game.
@@Jello-ri yeah its REALLY not fun right now for anyone. I get it at the extreme high end this kinda works but for the rest of the ranks this is EXTREMELY bad. yay top500 players don't have to wait 20 minutes for a game now, but why is everyone else all lumped into the same range now where everyone gets with everyone? like its not working well we need to keep the change at the high end where top500's are getting lower q times but we also need to keep the rest of the ranks how they were cause they weren't bad wait times.
either make the MMR range be like 10X bigger or just revert the change for bronze to masters so people don't get people on the polar opposite side of the SR range cause its not fair for the lower ranked people or the higher ranked people either. its not fun for either side.
I just thought of something... What about something like a "limit" to Orb damage boost... Like, after 75 damage amped the Orb returns, with a little cooldown like 4-5 seconds...
This way orb stays twit the same function, OP against squishes and WAY weaker against tank
Wtf lmao. A cooldown is all it needs to be honest. 75 damage? The whole point is he counters tanks that like to just absorb damage
idk about the 75 dmg thing, but it would be nice if zen put discord on someone, and they break LOS, zen cant instantly put it back. I agree with the cooldown part. Just dont really know how long the cooldown would be to make it fair, would require blizzard to play test it first
@@meowcow21 doesnt shield break LOS so going sigma can negate orb effect to a degree
I think 4-5 sec would be annoying for the Zen players and still not a big dif for the enemy tank, but maybe 10 sec CD in each enemy would be better, you would need to keep changing the target, Zen wouldn't feel useless in that time and the enemy tank would have at least 10 sec to push
@@Tfelde it doesn't
The babptiste ult is actually easier in lower elos bc people tend to stand still and your team usually will make use of it at the detriment to themselves
For anyone struggling to get the zen rapid discord achievement, marblr made a video detailing how assists work(ed in ow 1). Basically if zen puts discord orb on everyone on the other team really quickly, if they all die within a short timespan, even if they don’t actively have discord on them, you’ll still get the assist for it. Also Zen’s discord orb was changed back to 25% damage increase in a later patch in overwatch 1 and has been that way since
Wait a fucking minute, Ori? From the MVPerry Discord? I didn't know you watched Flats LMAO. It's me, Avalon.
@@SwagGodEren LMAO HI
The people saying 15% have never touched tank
as a zen main, discord orb is not fun to play against, maybe make a hefty cooldown if los is broken or if cleansed. maybe around 10 seconds. maybe make the range on it shorter and if someone walks out of that range it works the same as losing los, making the zen player have to position into riskier situations.
In a Dive team... That doesn't change much to nerf his Discord range. But maybe the cool down but in comparison to Ult Damage Boost Mercy? Zen falls behind.
I love Flats BUT hes gotta stop with the Zen Discord hate. If you Nerf Discord Zen loses his potency. Zen is a high risk Support. He has no get out of jail ability, he has no escape/save for himself or teamates. Zen values comes from synergy with certain team comps & discord. Nerf Discord and Zen becomes near unplayable.
@@jinfra- Basically a rework ya, Im fine with that, but if Discord gets nerfed and hes not reworked Zen is a dead character.
The sheer lengths this man will go to just to disagree with himself in 2 weeks time is staggering
That moment when you dedicate your life to one game
wdym?
God, that last one.. Man, i agree so hard to it..
A few weeks ago, i was playing on the new arctic map. We faced a Tracer and she was the hardest psychological player I've EVER faced in my life. I played Ana and she kept flanking, spamming "Heya!" And poking me just slightly from a little distance to announce her presence.
So if i didn't pay attention to her and heal my team, she would dash up and burst me, so I'd be dead. But if i did look at her, she would try and dodge my shots and i wouldn't be able to heal my team.. She had pretty "bad" stats, but man.. She did so freaking much
In the Zen war, as a guy who had mained Zen for most of OW1...
I don't blame you. Different eras call for different forms of balance. The moment blizzard gave us 5v5 and Zen the Sparta kick, it was only a matter of time.
Unlike the widow war with the ow 'git gud' society, and anything that may trigg... I mean upset the Mercy main alliance; we Zen mains can at least respect the times.
That and Kiriko exists, and those hours of play are already increasing (suzu might need some balancing).
It's almost as if Zen mains are... wait for it... *_zen?_* XD
had a showoff with a cassadiy as tracer on mystery heroes, I ulted him, he stuck me. We came to the conclusion that these 2 abilities are the exact same.
The stats take is especially true when you consider that someone can make a BIG difference in a team fight while not doing much damage or healing, Just simply existing in the backline can distract one or two DPS and cause them to crumble when met with the rest of your team.
If a DPS has mediocre stats but is the one doing the first picks in every fight - he's the MVP, no matter how you cut it. It's probably very hard to implement, but I would love to see a "first picks in fights" and "first to die in fights" stat in the game.
For some reason, I just realised that you uppload all the time, not only because you're awsome. But also because you stream. For some reason I didn't think that was the reason I have a fresh video in the morning eating breakfast and in the evening coming home. You're truly the best, me and my friend even have a good understanding of the game bacause of you (and some years of playing), so good infact that we can teach our other friend whos new to Overwatch and don't know the counter to Genji and says McCrees predator missile is bad.
4:08 when the streamer can’t answer a basic question
Okay so I actually agree with the having lootboxes and shop. The way they could do it is make skins available to each. Meaning you can only get certain skins in loot boxes and certain ones in shops. But that's if they use new skins for both instead of using old skins only for lootboxes and only new in the shop. The loot boxes would also provide legacy credits for any duplicates you get.
Not a good idea... Given the entire legislation about it for gambling reasons.
At least... The fact that loot boxes used real money (cosmetic or not) is the main focus as to why the government intervened. It was gambling with zero regulations and zero tangibility. Unlike real gambling where you could earn a profit.
Aka... It is akin to Pachinko in Japan but a bit worst off... GOTCHAs are the better example.
If it didn't use real money/premium currencies, then no one would bat an eye about loot boxes.
The Tracer clip was made by yours truly : the Uncooker
Ramattra getting ult slower was a really good change (20s time limit as well OOVIOUSLY)
That cass countering tracer one was just the person asking if he was a counter, not trying to show/prove anything with the clip
I do agree with the last one, but genuinely if i ever hear a Rein in game say “Excuse me, you’re talking to gold mitigated damage” i might have to quit for a bit lol
The right answer to being dove as zen is incredible violence.
Make it so that Zen can only apply discord orb by kicking someone 😂
Putting a cooldown on discord orb might be a decent middleground solution, at least to start.
So for the stat padder thing, Moira is the worst offender because she has a bunch of damage that can be easily healed. Her dps is too low to out dps heals, but she does it in aoe, padding the stat. The only useful leaderboard stat on her is healing since the damage, kill and assist ones are padded so badly. The only reason I ever play her is to counter characters like tracer, or genji since when they dive they are away from healers. Silver/gold player btw so I have no idea what it's like in diamond or higher lobbies.
Moria is better against 200 hp targets when flanking. Any high HP or against high damage characters who consistently hit her. She struggles.
But never fight alone when using Moria.
Changing the damage increase in Discord will just make him worse. Just make it easier to take it off of yourself by maybe using shields to count as the breaking los part or having a max uptime for the orb to stay up on someone regardless of line of sight, like 3 to 5 seconds or so.
But it just immediately gets readded. By far my favorite approach would be make it like sombras hack where when it is removed it has a "cooldown" so that you can't place it on the same character for a certain amount of time.
The other and in my opinion more difficult bap achievement is to stop four people from dying with one use of immortality field
Im fine with low damage numbers as long as they have elims (especially on one shot heros like widow and hanzo cause you cant do more damage to a dead person)
But if they have low elims, it means that they are picking the wrong fights and cant secure a kill or they go off alone away from the team and dont allow the team to secure it.
Zen shouldn't be worst compared to a Battle Mercy. lol
I like to spam the Zen pixel spray because people might think I'm good but I just got it on accident.
I got the zen one on accident. Both baps are hard to get, because your team somehow has no fucking idea what the window actually is or does. Same with the lamp half the time.
Re: silver players queing into master/diamond players. @ 10:30 . Had this happen to me the other day in quick-play role queue. Im bronze/silver depending on role, had a master Cass + diamond moira on other team.
We never made it past that first choke at top of stairs on Blizzard world. The cass had ult every 30-45 seconds zero exaggeration. He got ult so fast it felt like just another ability.
I know its QP so w/e, but I expect some small level of balance between teams even in quickplay.
Personally my biggest issue has always been widow, how is it that roadhog gets butchered because of his one shot but widow is just allowed to clown around while also having a defensive ability and an escape/mobility option
Someone not doing their job to stop her. But i agree that aim demons can reek havoc in every skill level. Never understood widows existence as a whole in a game like overwatch
Bc her whole one shot is skill based and that skill is aim, also she is the #3 squishiest in the whole game rn. Also it doesn't matter how good you are bc the second you shoot the enemy team isn't going to stick around and find out, they're gonna focus you
@@Chris-dy1cb sniper archetypes are cool. i personally agree, widow is noxious and i don’t even play her that often but i can appreciate what she is. although it might just be because i appreciate the lore and thus her place is more justified to me
What if Zen's abilities were changed to skill shots? Instead of just looking at your teammate/enemy and pressing a button, you would press the ability and it changes the next orb you shoot. For harmony orb, your next orb is immediately "harmony charged" and there's no need to charge it up, just shoot at your teammate like normal and it will apply the orb(maybe buff the orb or give him two to make up for the possibility of missing). For discord orb, you press the ability and you will immediately begin charging your next orb up for about 3 seconds, afterwards it becomes "discord charged" and you immediately shoot it. This orb moves slower than your regular orb, but applies discord as usual when it impacts. Both abilities now have a cooldown, harmony orb has a cooldown of 5 seconds, and discord orb has a cooldown of 10. The exact details probably aren't perfect, but I think the concept could help make discord orb a more balanced ability, and it could buff harmony orb to bring it up to par with the other supports healing potential.
The last hot take everyone need to hear. I'm glad he put that out there.
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quick thing on that last part, sometimes you can be the sole reason of a round/game win because of a strategic/stall/trade/c9 play but that wouldnt show up as a stat
A good Widow can 1v5 team fights... So carrying the team is possible. Just not probable against an equally good team.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 im talking about the stat thing, not a character thing
@@bioticsla
I see... True... Sometimes you will be carrying the team if you pop off in your role. Although, such a chance is rare where everyone but one player is less skillful when contributing to the match but when it happens. Playing against or being the hard carry is obviously seen. (At least if Rank isn't busted.)
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 you still dont understand, i mean a single strategic play like sleeping a widow or booping a hammond off the point in overtime, something like that but even more impactful, that kind of thing doesnt show up as a stat
@@bioticsla
In that case, true. Although, small advantages like that can be easily lost if no one capitalizes on it.
Fun fact: the Ram compression field can slingshot dva bomb.
I hit a DVa with it who created an initial upward trajectory. It pulled her mech to the ground, but once out of the field, it shot out with the original trajectory. It made for a really nutty looking ult.
"Never cook again" is WILLDD!! 😭😭💀
I feel like you should be able to click on your teammates on the scoreboard to see their extra stats
Yes!! such as what it shows on the right of the scoreboard for yourself.
On the “hot take” shop and loot boxes thing, he said $500 skins as if every item in apex is that when in reality it’s just the heirlooms that can possibly cost that much and the normal skins are the same price as the overwatch2 skins.
The Floor is Lava was so much harder in OW1 before his rework. And I'm still proud of the fact I got it back then
"Bap is hardest" that one bap in open queue who got soldier ana kiriko and they all ulted
discord cd per enemy sounds like the best fix.
Zen discord - everybody vs one character +30% (requiring team cohesion)
Mercy damage amp - one person vs everybody +30%.
Flats going hard against one.
Tank player thoughts.
At most, zen’s disc orb should go lower to like 20% cause tanks are miserable with it. But removing it would be upsetting.
The difference is that while Mercy amps she can't do anything else. While Zen discords, he's not locked out of anything.
@@aavocadont very good point
When I get a dps that declares they have the most damage and is doing stuff, I call out that they don't have more kills than me so that they shut up.
That guy suggesting that Blizzard do the Respawn thing…never let him near a kitchen.
Example: Respawn releases $160+ events back to back and as a matter of fact just released an event of recolors that cost 160+.
they could turn discord orb into a 4 or 5 second debuff with a cooldown that heals teammates when they damage the debuffed target
so mad milk from tf2?
I legit encountered a Mei who told me “You need to do better” and I look at my stats and I literally have 15 kills and the Mei only had 8. I was like “Bro, the f u talking about? Look at your stats before you shit talk” and I swear to god he literally said “But I have more damage than you.” By just a 1k Gap.
I may be wrong, I’ll have to check, but I think I completed the Baptiste achievement on accident once. It was pretty soon after I unlocked him lol.
12:02 THANK YOU. During season 2 when people were discussing how to nerf Ram a lot of ideas came up.
Nerf his speed: (which would make him just as clunky as when he was released)
Nerf the infinite duration: (which was a bit necessary and they did do, but 20 sec of uptime really just means that stall can be a more viable option against him)
And finally an idea that I wish I had seen more of, if it wasnt just people complaining about how STRONG the ult was....Just nerf the ult charge.
The ult is busted don't get me wrong, but what I found really "unfun" both playing as Ram and against him, was how quick I could generate my team fight winning ult.
It seemed like I had it every team fight and that's really what I thought made it bad IMO
Talks about the merci and proceeds to demolish the roadhog with headshots
I think people forget how easy it is to kill zen
Exactly which is why you don't need to change discord otherwise you gotta do something to change Zen's survivability
Exactly, and killing him removes the discord orb
@@3nowStorm you cares if he kicks you away, it’s a shooter, most characters don’t need to be close range
Zen is easy to kill but that dont mean you gonna reach zen all the time nor will it really change the fact that zen will just discord the tank every single time he appears.
@@theblackphoenix7410 any half decent flanker will erase Zen and then he’s completely out of the fight until he respawns
Not to mention his healing is so negligible that picking him basically means you’ve only got 1 other support with the ability to actually keep anyone alive
If you want a good metric on if your healing is good In a match. Compare your teams healing with the enemy teams DPSs dmg. If the healing is lower than the dmg then the difference is healing you could have done.
Love for flats to watch this today
I'd put discord on a resource bar, it only last 5 seconds and has a pretty slow recharge but the recharge speed is increased with damage done, maybe 5% per hit.
Honestly I'd do the same with mercy's damage boost but tie it to healing done and a really slow or even no passive recharge. So she can't just sit with damage up constantly and HAS to do healing to get it back, means you're not constantly pushing into an amped DPS and she needs to regain it during a team fight.
I feel like it'd be good to have a cooldown / duration on the orb, but have it refund some of its cooldown if a criteria is met. Long-ish cooldown but if the Discord target dies while it's on them, you get the cooldown refreshed, etc. Encourage using it for key moments and not just spamming it, give it a counterplay of backing off and waiting it out (which in turn makes Discord also valuable as a deterrent/zoning tool), that sort of thing.
@@JiorujiDerako Yea there are a good few interesting ways they could go about it but I think the main one would be just putting it on a cooldown, maybe after LOS is broken it goes on a 4sec cooldown meaning there's actual value to LOSing it and it isn't just up constantly
Discord orb should be placed on a ally, and their dmg should get boosted kinda like mercy's boost
I dunno if zen will be overturned with a new ability but I feel like his harmony/discord should be like Moria’s orb, buff it’s healing and set a cool-down before he could switch target. I’ve always thought that letting zen discord whoever whenever he feels like is a bit stupid.
Gotta say, I run similar crosshair to that sigma when playing phara, and it helps land those mid range shots.
Does it actually make a difference? I use the same crosshair for every hero and I don't have much of a problem
the thing is, we dont need necessarily loot boxes, but they need to make the items cheaper like 5 bucks for a legendary and make boosting the battle pass affordable, thats it no more.
Just in case someone doesn't know. When you throw a firestrike through bap Window and kill someone, the bap gets 100 amplified damage not 200. Its only the bonus
Bruh, discord orb is practically a death sentence
Zen harmony should get area heal around the target in exchange for discord nerf
I once had a dude with the top 500 title in my SILVER 2 match. He was a support queue. dude played moira, but from top 500 to silver, there's a limit to how much role matters, cuz to be in top 500 mechanical skill isnt enough (I assume it isn't, might be wrong ?)
What if zens discord dmg bonus only applied to him and his harmony target? I think it would put the ability more in line with ow2 standards, and would make it still strong when paired with something like a genji or tracer that already want the harmony. Maybe also make trance apply discord to all enemies in range and functionally apply harmony to allies.
Good idea, but wouldn't bastion become meta to burn tanks really fast
@@olivertb1990 currently the whole team gets the damage buff, so only having it on a bastion would lower overall damage to the tank and also forces the zen to only heal the bastion, which I think is a good investment for the value. Maybe the numbers would still need to be brought down but idk
@@olivertb1990 I don't see it. Zen Bastion isn't meta currently, and this would be a pretty heavy nerf to Zen. Would limit the value potential for discord a lot.
I think they're better if just adding a cool down so good ability management still yields high value but at greater risk.
@@stupidmonkey151
Given Mercy... A cool down on Zen isn't good.
Let's say it's a 15 sec cool down on Discord Orb... Vs... Damage Boost Mercy.
Sure, Barriers, D Va, and Kiriko can negate Discord away...
But now that leaves Mercy being much better on critical characters compared to waiting 15 sec.
Then Mercy pops Ult with a Bap, Ana, or Kiriko Ults who all boost DPS.
Although Zen can quickly heal his team and be immortal during his ult. He's a sitting duck with nothing more to do but to move around. Road Hog and Ana can outright displace/sleep Zen during his ult. Even the hammer tank can shoulder charge Zen out of the way before Ana follows up with a Sleep Dart.
@@stupidmonkey151 it would but that nerf would make bastion a necessity rather than an option, his raw dps would be almost needed to kill new ball
The part about stats not mattering is so true like you can’t get high dmg and low kills and expect me not to laugh when you say you’re carrying
the dmg numbers bit is too real..
recently I had a game where I picked hanzo and the other dps was junk. The game was going on for only a minute, it was still just the beginning, but I had already gotten a few picks here and there and we were pushing cart totally fine.
Still out of nowhere my tank goes "hey hanzo can u switch you're not doing anything"
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ROFL
I had 6 kills and like 800 dmg. I wasn't spamming the tank so my dmg was low yet I had the highest kills in the game at that point. Even tho it was low dmg I was the only one actually getting kills from straight up just headshots or finishing someone half hp
meanwhile
my junk has 2 kills and 2000 dmg.. he's been spamming the tank since the start (who hasn't died btw) and that's literally it
but because a quick glance at the stats showed me with less than 1k dmg suddenly I'm "doing bad"
lmfao
My favorite part of being a Zen main is bullying reins
The Bap one is annoying because it mostly relies on your teammates. Not your own skill. If your teammates always avoid shooting through the window, or try and can’t hit their targets….
My max is about 400, and it was just me and one teammate using it. While the rest of my team ran away from it.
Try doing it in a game where people have coms and where your tank is Zarya, so if people actually listen your Zarya can uot then you drop window and laser their team. If that doesn't work though then your team sucks sorry
They could make Zenyatta have 2 healing orbs instead of just one and nerfing the discord orb to only be able to nerf people that are not behind a wall.
This would make Discord orb force Zenyatta to be on high ground or on less on the backline, therefore being a more risky choice if you want 100% value.
Of course, they could also make discord orb last for less time, forcing Zen to keep using his skill.
So yeah, I also agree that Zen's discord orb is very annoying and unfun.
once on ana it told me I had 0% sleep dart accuracy while the sigma was asleep at my feet
As a fellow tank main, I enjoy coming to Flats’ videos and hearing him rant about discord being OP. Preach Flats! Only took a 1:00 to get to it this time. 😅
3:52 that guys right though, if they just added a shop and kept the old loot box system, you COULD get a skin for free, or you can buy in the shop for guaranteed chance, or you could buy a couple boxes to get a higher chance but still Cheeper than buying it in shop
in my games as tanks this is literally what happens - Sombra hacks me, zen discord me, bastion melts me. I am literally dead before i can even react.
Ow Tiltok is full of too many ppl giving bad advice and seeing it in game is hilarious 😭
Dude i felt that on zen orb for tanks. I specifically as hog would tunnel him all game long as he never got off zenyatta so he could apply his discord. He was ALWAYS my first pick as he was my problem making me take 25% more dmg from all sources.
6:14
The Hanzo one is harder than the Zen one, Bap one is harder than Lucio one, and I agree with Reaper that one is ridiculous
The only answer to the people that say "I want lootbox" is "you just want free shit"
"Skill issue", as though anyone at any rank is gonna hit that Mercy
I would say The old doomfist cute spray achievement is The hardest
Exactly, titles doesn't matter - flats is t500 tank but he is plat damage and plat support.
I think making Zein’s orbs be the inverse of eachother and only one at a time could be a good change
I had to pause it to comment after that clip showing how "Cass doesn't counter Tracer". They just showed the Tracer Pulse Bombing the Cass... It's like... my guy... you know he can LIVE THROUGH that ult if he uses his Roll correctly? Roll gives him 50% damage negation while in the animation.
This is the yearly zen discord being broken discussion
As if we get teased with the naming over watch characters tok at the end with a fade out. That better be the first vid on the next video.
that rant about zen becoming meta aged like milk...as we now see what happens when zen becomes hard meta
4:22 yes, literally the only response
My opinion regarding people that usually play in higher ELO being placed in lobbies with Silver and Bronze players - It genuinely doesn't matter what role they got to their high ELO on, the fact that they are able to play on that level comfortably gives them a large and unfair advantage in the form of experience and game sense that is simply unavailable to low ELO players. This needs fixing, but it is not an urgent issue as things stand (Looking at you, PVE cancellation....)
I don't understand why anybody would ever want loot boxes. I hate RNG. Imagine going to a restaurant and paying not knowing what you're about to get.
Wow Flats called Zen Being Meta 275 HP i know I'm late 😂😂😂
that zen kicks pretty Pog
Flats is leading the campaign against Zen lol
It'd been nice if the brought back loot boxes but as a reward for completing all weekly missions and as an additional reward at the name title half of the battle pass.
Meanwhile I got a sharpshooter pog as Kiriko for killing a Widowmaker.