This is where Jordan Peterson grinds my gears, he blatantly states that we live in the best time in human history, while simultaneously admitting he's quite ignorant about human history before the 20th century or so. Sure the 20th century was quite horrible, but also had its positives. Going further back, though, there's no evidence people disliked life (I'd say on the contrary) and going into pre-history we might call those times the garden of eden, which is (mind you) 95% of our actual history. The idea that we live in the best time is purely derived from economic and material numbers, and any sane person knows those things don't bring happiness (or content or peace or even the drive to continue on a personal level). Also, to show where my idea of the garden of eden comes from; in pre-history humans worked 20 hours per week (hunting, cooking and moving around which is also fun) and our lifespan was actually 80 years as well, we had little conflict as the human population was so small we could easily avoid each other, and the earth was still packed with life and meaning.
@5:52 Become little lights and, no matter how dark it gets, trust that the little lights will be enough to carry us through the flood. This was a direct answer to the question I asked after your last video. If that was intentional, thank you. If not, thank you anyway.
You're one of the only one that dares to talk about those kind of topics. Most other commentators are too afraid to be accused of "platforming" or to be "adjacent". You're an honorable intellectual.
Reactionary Alchemist Taking it back, one man at a time, maybe. The Liturgical chaos of Vatican 2 combined with this increasingly probable antipope may soon make me one of those conquests. I’d like to remain a Latin, however. The Liturgy of Gregory the Great is so enchanting.
6:14 "enough light to carry us through the flood" 7:12 "I don't think that most of us can stay above that fray" PeterPantheon's guide to walking on water: Step one: Our Lord is Living Water Step two: Stumble for suspense Step three: ??? Step four: Prophet
It isn't just nihilism, it's hubris. It's saying "I can't leave things to God. I have to go beyond my place in the world and alter the path of things". I've pondered that at times about the way civilization is going, that it would be best to collapse things asap and save as much of what's good before more is lost, but it's always countered by what follows, that that isn't my place or anyone else's. We should be who we are rather than take on a mantle too great for our shoulders to bare like that.
@@user-mk2su9fd2v I'm not waiting anymore; He's already changed my life. The rest is beyond my control, but I try to affect it as best I can and let Him work through me.
The trickster is the shadow of the magician (the creator). The trickster is the destroyer. Ergo, in this instance: the trickster (Joker) is the destroyer (of society). He is an agent of chaos.
Brilliant analysis of accelerationism! I enjoy writing sci-fi, and it's fascinating how when you were describing the way an accelerationist desires to find the garden of Eden, I realized that this was the same motivation of a character I had outlined in my writing In his opening scene the character, by the name of Urban, (no so subtle nod to Urban II) is tending a garden, and likewise wishes to bring this to the world around him through his own power. It's fascinating how these patterns emerge organically.
I'm so glad you're talking about this. I've also wondered whether we should reach the bottom as soon as possible in order to push off of it. Your piont of view makes perfect sense. However, regarding our political system, I'm not convinced that bringing it down in order to replace it would be the worse option..
It is not our task to decide when the water rises or the land dries. Unfortunately it is a very easy temptation to believe one can play with water and remain perfectly dry.
Accelerationism *isn't* the participation in the breakdown of _society._ It's an attitude of apathy towards the impending demise of the current system. The system being toppled and replaced is not the same thing as people just mindlessly tossing out the social contract.
I live in a small town, something close to The Shire, just beside the farms, it was built around a paper industry. Seven apartment buildings lined up next to each other, just across a football field. I was blessed enough that I could rent the semi-basement. It has wide windows, stays fairly cold in summer, and the electrical bill is covered by the owner because heating during winter would be too pricey. It really looks like a hobbit hole. I'm even physically shaped and hairy like a hobbit. I'm 35 years old and I gratuated from college in the IT field, but haven't worked much in it, and for a short period of time. The last few years, I've seen society accelerate through technological progress beyond sanity (or bellow, I should say). Mainly on the communication front. It's been years now since I have stopped trying to keep up with it, I'm at the flip-flop cellphone stage. I see how it impacts my life, and the life of people around me. I only live half in the world. It's quite an adaptation but one can do it without too much friction. Although, I know soon, my lifestyle will be taken away from me. I am getting pulled into the accelerationism society itself is getting pulled into, by demonic agencies and intelligences. So here I am, waiting for Gandalf to show up so my adventure finally starts! I have been waiting for the call all my life. I know my comment likely won't get read. Civilization is falling way too fast now for a 4 years old video comment to become a source of interaction. In any case, God bless,you that read through it!
you are literally waiting for a fantasy. wake up to reality, accelerationism is truth despite how much you or anyone hates it, it's here to stay. it's been here and people have been complaining about it for the past 10,000+ years. accelerate now or get left behind in the dust.
You’re talking about taking the honkpill, just come out and say it haha. Anyway great insights, loving your more frequent release of cultural analyses.
you should consider taking a look at "neon genesis evangelion". Its commentary on the recurring lack of maturity among new generations is very accurate and has become more relevant in recent times
I really want to hear more about hiding behind the veil. The tradition of lenten hiding of the crosses and statues is prominent in the traditional roman rite. Like the veil of the temple, holy of holies, veil on christ in the tomb, christ hiding himself after he says "before Abraham was, I AM."
Not wrong, I do get my lulz from you hitting home the "Nihilism is bad" theme, it's definitely is not a workable mode of being, but I also don't think it can be fully held unless you are falling apart (das waz me) or unless you're psychopath. Good news the bottom of nihilism (for me atleast) held a true religious experience (as a secular catholic), à la Dark Night of the Soul. I am now able to love myself again, so that's pretty kewl.
Thanks for the videos! You constantly articulate and clarify the deep, spiritual questions and themes that people my age cant. Im 21 years old, I listen to what is generally agreed upon as "trash" music; Soundcloud Rap. But the underground rap scene is a online community filled with people that shares the same interests, upbringings and outlook on life that are constantly trying to _"Figure"_ it out.. I bring this up because in the music I listen to, I can't stop hearing symbolic references like: - "Im drowning/stuck in the sea," - "Dreaming of her"(among all of the archetypal 'hags,' young men are in search of the good feminine) - "Lit/Like a star in the dark" - "Got it out the mud"(of or from dust/dirt, it/I came forth) - "She ate my kids"(Usually said in a positive and boastful manner about getting a blowjob, I think this is a subconscious reference Baal or the dragon in revelations) This video along with a new song that came out called "Moonlight Dancing"( th-cam.com/video/i20GT0F-Gs4/w-d-xo.html) reaffirms my hypothesis that people my age are in a spiritual war, on the frontlines, in the trenches... You not only helped me realize what is really going on, but also lead me to a new way of thinking and perceiving world that would allow me to navigate it much easier and be a small light within my family and community and I thank you for that. Cheers!!!
@Magyar Kebab You could technically win with controlling the food production , making new better Technology and Water drinking business but dont know how you will utilize it when 2030 hits . An alternative to nanotechnology inside human body is needed You should make your own cultural books on paper and net Document everything. No civilians want one world order so. start for something that is alternative to one world order . Connect to friends and families protect your neighbors .
I believe it is right acc that recomnends we support the acceleration, while left acc wants to stop it, and unconditional acc thinks it doesn't matter. Again, I'm not sure. I might be completely wrong.
Daniel Etzel Yet, those who want my society’s deconstruction have an absurd influence on modern life. How does principle fare better against an advantaged foe? Better yet, what makes the swinging pendulum of culture values under influence of oppression unlikely or undesirable?
Accelerationism is misunderstood by some, first and foremost we are against evil. Its not about participating in it, it's about letting it burn itself out and yes, rising/floating above.
Hoku Hoku When one can’t find their ass with both hands like Studying (being) Decay, the only place to start is the immediate environment. Then the rest follows from that.
No, accelerationism is not nihilism or becoming a cynic, or aggravating chaos: it means to embrace the deterritorialization caused by capitalist processes, and push it to its schizophrenic limits and avoid reterritorialization, this means to attack the things that prevent capitalism reaching the schezophrenic phase, on which everything is so disconnected that it stops functioning. Many currents of accelerationism (_/acc) state that this will happen when the techno singularity happens, or when we somehow return to feudalism, or collapse into mini States or put a positive anarchist society afterwards, or use gender to accelarate in the form of transgenderism. This oversimplification doesn't help anyone understand the concept, and the philosophy behind it.
Could you (or someone) talk a little bit about how this relates to the conclusion in the "guide to turning postmodernism against itself" video? That video seemed to me that it was recommending a form of accelerationism.
Martin Buber wrote a novel "For the Sake of Heaven" about early 19th cent Hasidim who attempted to "provoke" the coming of the messiah thru Cabalic magic.
Hey Jonathan, what do you think about the renewal of Paganism in certain ‘alt-right’ ( for lack of a better term ) . Guys like Varg Vikernes, but others as well.
Jonathan Pageau Thanks for the reply Jonathan. Maybe worthy of a video? These types believe Christianity isn’t fit for Europeans as it’s a desert religion that espouse slave-morality. They call on White Europeans to go back to their primordial nature gods.
I was really looking forward to hearing you draw meaning from the sybolism of the painting the dance with death that you used in the thumb but you didnt at all. Dissapointed
@@GRIFFIN1238 yeah i get that, but this is a chanel about sybolism, I was hoping to get some real insight into the sybolism in the painting not just a thumbnail and a mention in the title
I personally preferred the original longer intro, with the extended soundtrack, or at least preferred how you said the phrase in the original intro (this one sounds a bit... COMING TO THEATRES NEAR YOU)
@@LeohTheArcher Jesus was Middle Eastern tho. And if Christ does exist and is the Son of God, he wouldn't care particularly about the white race, just the human race.
Matthew Brennan It was specifically racial accelerationism, it was a vulgar manipulation of it, it was not philosophically coherent so I don’t think any correlation can be drawn.
I would love to have a link to why you believe Christianity is true and why are you think God exists at all. I’m only familiar with your work in an abstract sense how it relates to symbolic imagery and archetypes through Jordan Peterson and a few other people.
You argue that accelerationism may be necessary but it is bad for me. Like death and taxes I give it for the greater good then, is that not Christian of me?
your taxes are being used to fund abortions, wars, censorship and bailing out these tyrannical corporations so no you are not doing good but feeding evil to grow
Agreed that it's dangerous to engage accelerationism in the form of dogmatic philosophy, however, if taken purely as a critique, universal acceleration necessitates Christianity in and of itself as a potentially valid theory for the saviour of humanity. I think it would be helpful to differentiate between dogmatic and critical thinking before attempting to project a perceived intention onto others that may see or interpret the world differently from yourself and may in fact hold strikingly similar values. After all the one thing we all have in common is our humanity. The majority of those investigating accelerationism phenomenalogically are attempting a form of arc building themselves. They can see a great flood is happening and are simply asking if we can survive this and if so, then in what form? This is the conversation of our time in many ways. Dogma and politics are childish and inherently ignorant directions of travel. In all groups and under all labels there is both ignorance and enlightenment, wouldn't you agree?
I enjoyed the video, although I am surprised the topic of "immanentizing the eschaton" did not make a more prominent appearance. My objection to accelerationism is that, like all utopian ideas, the promise of a ideal future state can seduce us into justifying evil actions in the present. It is important to understand that imperfection is an inherent quality of earthly existence, and that only God can bring about paradise.
would hav been interesting to draw parallels to christ's 'destruction of the temple'. dare say christ could b considered quite the 'accelerationist' figure, and breaks out of the characterization of accelerationism as a fundamentally nihilistic philosophy (which isnt to say it doesn't often take that form). spose this quick bit seems to only b looking from one angle, ignores the ideal of transcendence which also strongly characterizes some accelerationist formulations and perhaps a more delicate breakdown of how that ideal of transcendence can function creatively or destructively.
Can you look into the symbolism of humanities ethnobotanical traditions? Like, how people have used different plants for different rituals and religious symbols. Maybe address some of the arguments made by archaeologist John Allegro in the book "The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross."
Accelerationism is pushing capitalism to its max, into hyperdrive. It's not just about causing collapse if you actually read more into it. Push Capitol into a technological singularity, maybe to something more post human. The Landian approach seems the most viable, as he seems to have the best grasp on where capitol is moving and ways to accelerate the process. One being the collapse of Liberal democracy which is a sham.
Jonathan, please talk about Notre Dame. Many have missed the point about the cathedral burning under secular administration, saying it is a merely right-wing narrative.
I'm sorry but what you are suggesting is largely misguided. I disagree that bringing down the current structure of society is somehow tied to nihilism. At least not primarily, and certainly not for me. I'm going to be really critical of you here, but if you're open minded you'll listen to what I'm saying. Perhaps the reason why you think that accelerating the collapse of the western world is coming from, or is tied to, a nihilistic mindset is because you are so well off. It's easy to be hopeful and see meaning while sitting in a Golden Throne. It's simple to suggest that people become like Christ when you personally aren't struggling and suffering unnecessarily. Honestly, you're position is incredibly weak. Western society is rotting. By choosing not to accelerate the rot what you are doing is sacrificing tomorrow for today, and you are sacrificing the tomorrow of someone else for your own today. So not only are you not deferring gratification for yourself, which we know is healthy, but you are doing so at the expense of others in the future, including children. I see nothing reasonable or compassionate about sacrificing future lives, or the quality of the lives on the alter of right now. The structure of society as it is now needs to go. It needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch if we expect future generations to have the kinds of lives we say we want for them.
bro you sound like a Final Fantasy villain any criticism that includes the phrase "because you are so well off" is almost certainly rooted in resentment, and from what you've written here I don't see much self-awareness
@@chrisc7265 True enough, I probably do have a villain origin story brewing. Saying "because you are so well off" is a way of saying that he's out of touch. It happens to a lot of people who view the world from their perch of contentment. They haven't struggled, or they've forgotten the sting. So even if there is resentment involved, what of it? I'm supposed to not resent people saying ridiculous things from places of safety? Make an actual argument for why I shouldn't feel even the slightest resentment.
@@cbalan777 hey, was not expecting a reply here. Good to hear you have some self awareness --- identifying with the villain is fun, but it's a tough line to walk. Curtis Yarvin, who is no stranger to identifying with the villain himself, is good on this: the regime is terrible. The regime says the Nozoos are the worst thing ever. Therefore, the Nozoos must be cool, I'm gonna call myself a Nozoo. This is de-celeration, because you're giving your enemy a propaganda bogeyman --- and that gives your enemy energy to fight. Not to mention that you're accepting your enemy's frame. Not to mention the Nozoos in the 21st century are ridiculous. So it's an all around L, even though I understand the knee jerk reaction (I know you don't call yourself a Nozoo, I'm talking about villains in general). Regarding resentment, there's a really good book called The Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima you should check out. It explores this psychology in great depth and with great empathy and understanding. (also Nietzsche is the master of resentment but you probably already know that). It's a weakness. It masquerades as righteousness, but unlike true righteousness, resentment cannot fuel the creation of beauty, and it inevitably fuels the destruction of beauty. "Once we destroy xyz, we'll finally be able to create the beautiful thing" is the perfect psychological trick, because the demon of destruction can have his way with you while the whole time you think you're acting in the name of beauty or goodness. The easy way out of this is: just start creating the beauty now. Skip the destruction. When the regime collapses, there will need to be alternatives ready. Start making the better world now, don't use the promise of a better world as a cover for destruction. If you can manage this you aren't truly resentful, because the truly resentful cannot create.
That's what you think, and you'd be wrong. Here is my response to this video I already made: I'm sorry but what you are suggesting is largely misguided. I disagree that bringing down the current structure of society is somehow tied to nihilism. At least not primarily, and certainly not for me. I'm going to be really critical of you here, but if you're open minded you'll listen to what I'm saying. Perhaps the reason why you think that accelerating the collapse of the western world is coming from, or is tied to, a nihilistic mindset is because you are so well off. It's easy to be hopeful and see meaning while sitting in a Golden Throne. It's simple to suggest that people become like Christ when you personally aren't struggling and suffering unnecessarily. Honestly, you're position is incredibly weak. Western society is rotting. By choosing not to accelerate the rot what you are doing is sacrificing tomorrow for today, and you are sacrificing the tomorrow of someone else for your own today. So not only are you not deferring gratification for yourself, which we know is healthy, but you are doing so at the expense of others in the future, including children. I see nothing reasonable or compassionate about sacrificing future lives, or the quality of the lives on the alter of right now. The structure of society as it is now needs to go. It needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch if we expect future generations to have the kinds of lives we say we want for them.
C. B. Alan I’m not exactly sure how delaying gratification is sacrificing tomorrow for today in your response. By definition delaying gratification is sacrificing today for tomorrow. I think we need more progressive solutions and need more people to engage the wide subjects we have, become multidisciplinary and attempt things we’ve never done before to pressure relief the failings of society. We have the internet and smart phones. Organize, share information, create new structures and curriculums, engage in creative ventures and continue to inspire. Contribute in new designs, networks and pull from all of humanities wisdom. Tech has made the pursuit of ideas and community so powerfully different
@@tomorrowsveggies296 You misread what I said. I said that by not choosing to accelerate the rot you were sacrificing tomorrow for today. In other words, you need to tear down old structures that are already rotten rather than trying to hang onto them. It would be better to tear down and build new than hang on to a system that is already falling apart.
Better and new business management is needed it should be different than how the modern business is being run If a flower man infuriates the mainstream narrative or elites opinion it means bad for his business nor can he interact with people that disagrees with the elites on policies Furthermore to work at the business people have to work for the establishment and the narrative it propose, the narrative of establishment and conduct is flawed and that could lead to business crushing and another reason business would fail as it used social programming with its products. The best way to example would be if comic creator wants to work in the industry he has to serve the elites who put him there and the narrative of the elites . This business plan is not sustainable and is in a bridge prone to crash so better alternative is needed. The comic artists distances himself from truth and becomes a gatekeeper a subversion agent to maintain peace but the crash happens yet because the business model of the elites were flawed and not sustainable over a long period of time. Now if we replace comic book with society.. New ways of governing is needed new ways of banking is needed , people need to decide whether they want usury or not and people need to find an alternative to mark of the beast system
IMO: Work on your presentation. Quit the coffee or whatever stim you're using. I can't get more than a few minutes into your show before it gives me a caffeine headache. And put less gusto into your "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"'s. It is possible to think about your next line, silently. I've always been interested in this topic, but your presentation has these elements that are so distracting, I can't hear past it to register anything you're saying.
2:00 if you're a true accelerationist you know you won't survive the collapse but at least you're gonna cause it
"Roses are red, violets are blue; I'll drown myself in a river- because I'm drowning you too."
-personal quote
The modern world won't be punished. IT IS THE PUNISHMENT
To say that, you must believe it was better in the Middle Ages?
@Reactionary Hermit Just remember that if you choose that era, you'll be giving up all the inventions born out of modernity/Protestantism.
This is where Jordan Peterson grinds my gears, he blatantly states that we live in the best time in human history, while simultaneously admitting he's quite ignorant about human history before the 20th century or so. Sure the 20th century was quite horrible, but also had its positives. Going further back, though, there's no evidence people disliked life (I'd say on the contrary) and going into pre-history we might call those times the garden of eden, which is (mind you) 95% of our actual history.
The idea that we live in the best time is purely derived from economic and material numbers, and any sane person knows those things don't bring happiness (or content or peace or even the drive to continue on a personal level).
Also, to show where my idea of the garden of eden comes from; in pre-history humans worked 20 hours per week (hunting, cooking and moving around which is also fun) and our lifespan was actually 80 years as well, we had little conflict as the human population was so small we could easily avoid each other, and the earth was still packed with life and meaning.
@@IndyDefense Sounds good.
@@virding232 I'm thinking of things like antibiotics and the modern medical industry. We'd be back to dying before 30.
@5:52 Become little lights and, no matter how dark it gets, trust that the little lights will be enough to carry us through the flood.
This was a direct answer to the question I asked after your last video. If that was intentional, thank you. If not, thank you anyway.
I think things are accelerating no matter what we do.
You're one of the only one that dares to talk about those kind of topics.
Most other commentators are too afraid to be accused of "platforming" or to be "adjacent".
You're an honorable intellectual.
@Reactionary Alchemist Survive the Jive: 'Somethingsomething Indo-European"
Reactionary Alchemist
Taking it back, one man at a time, maybe. The Liturgical chaos of Vatican 2 combined with this increasingly probable antipope may soon make me one of those conquests. I’d like to remain a Latin, however. The Liturgy of Gregory the Great is so enchanting.
6:14 "enough light to carry us through the flood"
7:12 "I don't think that most of us can stay above that fray"
PeterPantheon's guide to walking on water:
Step one: Our Lord is Living Water
Step two: Stumble for suspense
Step three: ???
Step four: Prophet
Jonathan has his finger on the pulse, as always
Just what I needed to hear on this subject, thank you.
It isn't just nihilism, it's hubris. It's saying "I can't leave things to God. I have to go beyond my place in the world and alter the path of things".
I've pondered that at times about the way civilization is going, that it would be best to collapse things asap and save as much of what's good before more is lost, but it's always countered by what follows, that that isn't my place or anyone else's. We should be who we are rather than take on a mantle too great for our shoulders to bare like that.
It’s been two years since you posted this. Are you still waiting for god to change things? We have been waiting 2021 years afterall.
@@user-mk2su9fd2v I'm not waiting anymore; He's already changed my life. The rest is beyond my control, but I try to affect it as best I can and let Him work through me.
Yes and no! It's not that simple either.
Can you talk about the new Joker trailer and the symbology of clowns/jesters?
Milad Asgari yes, that would be great
This.
The clowns and jesters have been stifled in the last decade, and I sense a welling rebellion. The rebelling of the Clown.
@@thedruid1151 Enough zombies, vampires and werewolves. It's HONKLER TIME!
The trickster is the shadow of the magician (the creator).
The trickster is the destroyer.
Ergo, in this instance: the trickster (Joker) is the destroyer (of society). He is an agent of chaos.
Brilliant analysis of accelerationism! I enjoy writing sci-fi, and it's fascinating how when you were describing the way an accelerationist desires to find the garden of Eden, I realized that this was the same motivation of a character I had outlined in my writing In his opening scene the character, by the name of Urban, (no so subtle nod to Urban II) is tending a garden, and likewise wishes to bring this to the world around him through his own power. It's fascinating how these patterns emerge organically.
I'm so glad you're talking about this. I've also wondered whether we should reach the bottom as soon as possible in order to push off of it.
Your piont of view makes perfect sense. However, regarding our political system, I'm not convinced that bringing it down in order to replace it would be the worse option..
It is not our task to decide when the water rises or the land dries. Unfortunately it is a very easy temptation to believe one can play with water and remain perfectly dry.
So true.
Hmm I think some accelerationists know they have a role in the collapse, but they see the ends justify the means.
They do, don't they? If not done for evil but for a better tomorrow may I make today retched.
@@Jacob-mn8fx You mean wretched?
Accelerationism *isn't* the participation in the breakdown of _society._ It's an attitude of apathy towards the impending demise of the current system. The system being toppled and replaced is not the same thing as people just mindlessly tossing out the social contract.
Participation and apathy in this sense is the same thing, isn't it?
I live in a small town, something close to The Shire, just beside the farms, it was built around a paper industry. Seven apartment buildings lined up next to each other, just across a football field. I was blessed enough that I could rent the semi-basement. It has wide windows, stays fairly cold in summer, and the electrical bill is covered by the owner because heating during winter would be too pricey. It really looks like a hobbit hole. I'm even physically shaped and hairy like a hobbit.
I'm 35 years old and I gratuated from college in the IT field, but haven't worked much in it, and for a short period of time. The last few years, I've seen society accelerate through technological progress beyond sanity (or bellow, I should say). Mainly on the communication front. It's been years now since I have stopped trying to keep up with it, I'm at the flip-flop cellphone stage. I see how it impacts my life, and the life of people around me. I only live half in the world. It's quite an adaptation but one can do it without too much friction. Although, I know soon, my lifestyle will be taken away from me.
I am getting pulled into the accelerationism society itself is getting pulled into, by demonic agencies and intelligences. So here I am, waiting for Gandalf to show up so my adventure finally starts! I have been waiting for the call all my life.
I know my comment likely won't get read. Civilization is falling way too fast now for a 4 years old video comment to become a source of interaction.
In any case, God bless,you that read through it!
you are literally waiting for a fantasy. wake up to reality, accelerationism is truth despite how much you or anyone hates it, it's here to stay. it's been here and people have been complaining about it for the past 10,000+ years. accelerate now or get left behind in the dust.
I think you are correct. Strength and compassion are the only way.
Thanks Jonathan!
You’re talking about taking the honkpill, just come out and say it haha. Anyway great insights, loving your more frequent release of cultural analyses.
Woho I'm first watching this! You rock Jonathan.
Let's become slowmotionists instead
Youuuuuu meeeeeeeeean liiiiiiiiiiiike thisssssssssss?
Conservatives are definitionaly "slo-motionalists".
That's boring
That's no way to confront the dragon
So just centrists?
🤡🌍🔥👌
you should consider taking a look at "neon genesis evangelion". Its commentary on the recurring lack of maturity among new generations is very accurate and has become more relevant in recent times
My new favourite channel. I read your brothers book this week - was super enlightening.
I really want to hear more about hiding behind the veil. The tradition of lenten hiding of the crosses and statues is prominent in the traditional roman rite. Like the veil of the temple, holy of holies, veil on christ in the tomb, christ hiding himself after he says "before Abraham was, I AM."
I think Evola once said that the problem with conservatism is that there is nothing left worth conserving.
Profound and concise discussion of current trends in our culture
It's a fine line. One could say it is the thinnest of lines.
Not wrong,
I do get my lulz from you hitting home the "Nihilism is bad" theme, it's definitely is not a workable mode of being, but I also don't think it can be fully held unless you are falling apart (das waz me) or unless you're psychopath.
Good news the bottom of nihilism (for me atleast) held a true religious experience (as a secular catholic), à la Dark Night of the Soul. I am now able to love myself again, so that's pretty kewl.
GREAT video, one of the better ones in a long time in my opinion. I don't always agree but I keep listening and learning.
Thanks for the videos! You constantly articulate and clarify the deep, spiritual questions and themes that people my age cant.
Im 21 years old, I listen to what is generally agreed upon as "trash" music; Soundcloud Rap. But the underground rap scene is a online community filled with people that shares the same interests, upbringings and outlook on life that are constantly trying to _"Figure"_ it out..
I bring this up because in the music I listen to, I can't stop hearing symbolic references like:
- "Im drowning/stuck in the sea,"
- "Dreaming of her"(among all of the archetypal 'hags,' young men are in search of the good feminine)
- "Lit/Like a star in the dark"
- "Got it out the mud"(of or from dust/dirt, it/I came forth)
- "She ate my kids"(Usually said in a positive and boastful manner about getting a blowjob, I think this is a subconscious reference Baal or the dragon in revelations)
This video along with a new song that came out called "Moonlight Dancing"( th-cam.com/video/i20GT0F-Gs4/w-d-xo.html) reaffirms my hypothesis that people my age are in a spiritual war, on the frontlines, in the trenches...
You not only helped me realize what is really going on, but also lead me to a new way of thinking and perceiving world that would allow me to navigate it much easier and be a small light within my family and community and I thank you for that.
Cheers!!!
Let it burn...........🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Let it burn is fine, all I am saying is don't light the match.
Always the spark of light, for more little that it is, always break the deepest darkness. Lest be a spark for others.
What will the rich do when we commoners can no longer support them in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed?
Neitzsche wrote Beyond Good and Evil. It's a decent book.
The Jewish revolutionary spirit by E. Michael Jones is a good read on this.
@Magyar Kebab You could technically win with controlling the food production , making new better Technology and Water drinking business
but dont know how you will utilize it when 2030 hits .
An alternative to nanotechnology inside human body is needed
You should make your own cultural books on paper and net
Document everything.
No civilians want one world order so. start for something that is alternative to one world order .
Connect to friends and families protect your neighbors .
I embrace accelerationism
I'm definitely no expert on accelerationism, but I think it is the idea that things ARE accelerating, not necessarily that they should.
I believe it is right acc that recomnends we support the acceleration, while left acc wants to stop it, and unconditional acc thinks it doesn't matter.
Again, I'm not sure. I might be completely wrong.
What’s your stance on “philosophical suicide”?
Good lighting and visual quality in this video
Is the greatest sacrifice not the sacrifice of one's own soul and potential salvation?
Accelerationism is the plan, it is not one of the choices. If you are causing acceleration of collapse then you are playing into the enemy's hand.
Daniel Etzel
Yet, those who want my society’s deconstruction have an absurd influence on modern life. How does principle fare better against an advantaged foe? Better yet, what makes the swinging pendulum of culture values under influence of oppression unlikely or undesirable?
Accelerationism is misunderstood by some, first and foremost we are against evil. Its not about participating in it, it's about letting it burn itself out and yes, rising/floating above.
And no, not in a transhumanist way
And the answer is, as always: “Clean your room”.
Clean your mind might be more apt or appropriate. Thoughts are things.
Hoku Hoku When one can’t find their ass with both hands like Studying (being) Decay, the only place to start is the immediate environment. Then the rest follows from that.
Improved liturgy by adding an outtro. Paul Vander Klay just referred to your channel. Nice.
No, accelerationism is not nihilism or becoming a cynic, or aggravating chaos: it means to embrace the deterritorialization caused by capitalist processes, and push it to its schizophrenic limits and avoid reterritorialization, this means to attack the things that prevent capitalism reaching the schezophrenic phase, on which everything is so disconnected that it stops functioning. Many currents of accelerationism (_/acc) state that this will happen when the techno singularity happens, or when we somehow return to feudalism, or collapse into mini States or put a positive anarchist society afterwards, or use gender to accelarate in the form of transgenderism. This oversimplification doesn't help anyone understand the concept, and the philosophy behind it.
What a silly word salad!
I've been living according to this exact thought & it has led me to a very bad place since
I was thinking the same thing. Not because of the stale ass honkler meme tho. Just been on the path for some time.
can you talk more about this please?
thank u very nice
This is an important message. How about a follow-up with your 12 rules to be little lights?
Thirst for Annihilation,, by Nick Land, is an interesting critique of Nihilism from the #accelerate perspective.
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As an accelerationist, I want chaos because no matter the consequences it's more interesting than our current society
Do you have a video explaining the art and symbolism on your merchandise?
Could you (or someone) talk a little bit about how this relates to the conclusion in the "guide to turning postmodernism against itself" video? That video seemed to me that it was recommending a form of accelerationism.
Martin Buber wrote a novel "For the Sake of Heaven" about early 19th cent Hasidim who attempted to "provoke" the coming of the messiah thru Cabalic magic.
Can you start citing the Scriptures you are quoting so that we can read them?
It's the only solution, If you actually understand what's happening, and don't live in a happy go lucky bubble!
Didn't know about Columbus & the Garden of Eden. Interesting.
Hey Jonathan, what do you think about the renewal of Paganism in certain ‘alt-right’ ( for lack of a better term ) . Guys like Varg Vikernes, but others as well.
They are deluding themselves.
Jonathan Pageau Thanks for the reply Jonathan. Maybe worthy of a video? These types believe Christianity isn’t fit for Europeans as it’s a desert religion that espouse slave-morality. They call on White Europeans to go back to their primordial nature gods.
I was really looking forward to hearing you draw meaning from the sybolism of the painting the dance with death that you used in the thumb but you didnt at all. Dissapointed
It's a representation of accelerationism.
@@GRIFFIN1238 yeah i get that, but this is a chanel about sybolism, I was hoping to get some real insight into the sybolism in the painting not just a thumbnail and a mention in the title
I personally preferred the original longer intro, with the extended soundtrack, or at least preferred how you said the phrase in the original intro (this one sounds a bit... COMING TO THEATRES NEAR YOU)
Wasn't accelerationism in the NZ shooter's manifesto?
Yup. White people get weaker every year and their enemies stronger, so the quicker conflicts comes the better chance they stand of winning.
@@LeohTheArcher Jesus was Middle Eastern tho. And if Christ does exist and is the Son of God, he wouldn't care particularly about the white race, just the human race.
Matthew Brennan It was specifically racial accelerationism, it was a vulgar manipulation of it, it was not philosophically coherent so I don’t think any correlation can be drawn.
What they all fail to see is that they can never predict what they will accelerate into. It is never what they dream of.
You need to be able to replace what you're tearing down or you will have ceded the future to your most powerful enemies.
The Franciscans were the first Accelerationists.
Clement of Rome's Phoenix analogy applied to dispensational cycles?...
Oh you guys don't even know.
I would love to have a link to why you believe Christianity is true and why are you think God exists at all. I’m only familiar with your work in an abstract sense how it relates to symbolic imagery and archetypes through Jordan Peterson and a few other people.
You argue that accelerationism may be necessary but it is bad for me. Like death and taxes I give it for the greater good then, is that not Christian of me?
your taxes are being used to fund abortions, wars, censorship and bailing out these tyrannical corporations so no you are not doing good but feeding evil to grow
Will there be a Shazam movie symbology?
Firebombing an eastern star temple will also make light..
Agreed that it's dangerous to engage accelerationism in the form of dogmatic philosophy, however, if taken purely as a critique, universal acceleration necessitates Christianity in and of itself as a potentially valid theory for the saviour of humanity. I think it would be helpful to differentiate between dogmatic and critical thinking before attempting to project a perceived intention onto others that may see or interpret the world differently from yourself and may in fact hold strikingly similar values. After all the one thing we all have in common is our humanity. The majority of those investigating accelerationism phenomenalogically are attempting a form of arc building themselves. They can see a great flood is happening and are simply asking if we can survive this and if so, then in what form? This is the conversation of our time in many ways. Dogma and politics are childish and inherently ignorant directions of travel. In all groups and under all labels there is both ignorance and enlightenment, wouldn't you agree?
As William F. Buckley would say, "Don't immanentize the eschaton!"
Acting now would be better than later when we become weaker.
Project Mayhem
accelerationism isnt prescriptive, its descriptive.
oh wow you got it already wrong at 00:18
I enjoyed the video, although I am surprised the topic of "immanentizing the eschaton" did not make a more prominent appearance.
My objection to accelerationism is that, like all utopian ideas, the promise of a ideal future state can seduce us into justifying evil actions in the present. It is important to understand that imperfection is an inherent quality of earthly existence, and that only God can bring about paradise.
Only God can bring about paradise ey? Then do we not resemble Satan and devils more than anything holy?
would hav been interesting to draw parallels to christ's 'destruction of the temple'. dare say christ could b considered quite the 'accelerationist' figure, and breaks out of the characterization of accelerationism as a fundamentally nihilistic philosophy (which isnt to say it doesn't often take that form). spose this quick bit seems to only b looking from one angle, ignores the ideal of transcendence which also strongly characterizes some accelerationist formulations and perhaps a more delicate breakdown of how that ideal of transcendence can function creatively or destructively.
Hate the world. Love God.
.... I may have taken this Jester thing too far in a few places. Hehehe.
Watch accelerationism and ideology by giuli 333
dostoevsky hours
Can you look into the symbolism of humanities ethnobotanical traditions? Like, how people have used different plants for different rituals and religious symbols. Maybe address some of the arguments made by archaeologist John Allegro in the book "The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross."
Nope.
@@mostlydead3261 Why? Almost all religions have some form of plant symbolism in narrative and ritual.
It was the year when they finally immanentized the Eschaton.
Accelerationism is pushing capitalism to its max, into hyperdrive. It's not just about causing collapse if you actually read more into it. Push Capitol into a technological singularity, maybe to something more post human. The Landian approach seems the most viable, as he seems to have the best grasp on where capitol is moving and ways to accelerate the process. One being the collapse of Liberal democracy which is a sham.
Jonathan, please talk about Notre Dame. Many have missed the point about the cathedral burning under secular administration, saying it is a merely right-wing narrative.
I'm sorry but what you are suggesting is largely misguided. I disagree that bringing down the current structure of society is somehow tied to nihilism. At least not primarily, and certainly not for me.
I'm going to be really critical of you here, but if you're open minded you'll listen to what I'm saying. Perhaps the reason why you think that accelerating the collapse of the western world is coming from, or is tied to, a nihilistic mindset is because you are so well off. It's easy to be hopeful and see meaning while sitting in a Golden Throne. It's simple to suggest that people become like Christ when you personally aren't struggling and suffering unnecessarily. Honestly, you're position is incredibly weak.
Western society is rotting. By choosing not to accelerate the rot what you are doing is sacrificing tomorrow for today, and you are sacrificing the tomorrow of someone else for your own today. So not only are you not deferring gratification for yourself, which we know is healthy, but you are doing so at the expense of others in the future, including children. I see nothing reasonable or compassionate about sacrificing future lives, or the quality of the lives on the alter of right now.
The structure of society as it is now needs to go. It needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch if we expect future generations to have the kinds of lives we say we want for them.
I agree.
bro you sound like a Final Fantasy villain
any criticism that includes the phrase "because you are so well off" is almost certainly rooted in resentment, and from what you've written here I don't see much self-awareness
@@chrisc7265 True enough, I probably do have a villain origin story brewing. Saying "because you are so well off" is a way of saying that he's out of touch. It happens to a lot of people who view the world from their perch of contentment. They haven't struggled, or they've forgotten the sting. So even if there is resentment involved, what of it? I'm supposed to not resent people saying ridiculous things from places of safety? Make an actual argument for why I shouldn't feel even the slightest resentment.
@@cbalan777 hey, was not expecting a reply here. Good to hear you have some self awareness --- identifying with the villain is fun, but it's a tough line to walk. Curtis Yarvin, who is no stranger to identifying with the villain himself, is good on this: the regime is terrible. The regime says the Nozoos are the worst thing ever. Therefore, the Nozoos must be cool, I'm gonna call myself a Nozoo. This is de-celeration, because you're giving your enemy a propaganda bogeyman --- and that gives your enemy energy to fight. Not to mention that you're accepting your enemy's frame. Not to mention the Nozoos in the 21st century are ridiculous.
So it's an all around L, even though I understand the knee jerk reaction (I know you don't call yourself a Nozoo, I'm talking about villains in general).
Regarding resentment, there's a really good book called The Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Yukio Mishima you should check out. It explores this psychology in great depth and with great empathy and understanding. (also Nietzsche is the master of resentment but you probably already know that).
It's a weakness. It masquerades as righteousness, but unlike true righteousness, resentment cannot fuel the creation of beauty, and it inevitably fuels the destruction of beauty. "Once we destroy xyz, we'll finally be able to create the beautiful thing" is the perfect psychological trick, because the demon of destruction can have his way with you while the whole time you think you're acting in the name of beauty or goodness. The easy way out of this is: just start creating the beauty now. Skip the destruction. When the regime collapses, there will need to be alternatives ready. Start making the better world now, don't use the promise of a better world as a cover for destruction.
If you can manage this you aren't truly resentful, because the truly resentful cannot create.
Christ is the Alpha and the Omega
Great message. Accelerationism is a terrible game plan
That's what you think, and you'd be wrong. Here is my response to this video I already made:
I'm sorry but what you are suggesting is largely misguided. I disagree that bringing down the current structure of society is somehow tied to nihilism. At least not primarily, and certainly not for me.
I'm going to be really critical of you here, but if you're open minded you'll listen to what I'm saying. Perhaps the reason why you think that accelerating the collapse of the western world is coming from, or is tied to, a nihilistic mindset is because you are so well off. It's easy to be hopeful and see meaning while sitting in a Golden Throne. It's simple to suggest that people become like Christ when you personally aren't struggling and suffering unnecessarily. Honestly, you're position is incredibly weak.
Western society is rotting. By choosing not to accelerate the rot what you are doing is sacrificing tomorrow for today, and you are sacrificing the tomorrow of someone else for your own today. So not only are you not deferring gratification for yourself, which we know is healthy, but you are doing so at the expense of others in the future, including children. I see nothing reasonable or compassionate about sacrificing future lives, or the quality of the lives on the alter of right now.
The structure of society as it is now needs to go. It needs to be completely rebuilt from scratch if we expect future generations to have the kinds of lives we say we want for them.
C. B. Alan I’m not exactly sure how delaying gratification is sacrificing tomorrow for today in your response. By definition delaying gratification is sacrificing today for tomorrow.
I think we need more progressive solutions and need more people to engage the wide subjects we have, become multidisciplinary and attempt things we’ve never done before to pressure relief the failings of society.
We have the internet and smart phones. Organize, share information, create new structures and curriculums, engage in creative ventures and continue to inspire.
Contribute in new designs, networks and pull from all of humanities wisdom.
Tech has made the pursuit of ideas and community so powerfully different
@@tomorrowsveggies296 You misread what I said. I said that by not choosing to accelerate the rot you were sacrificing tomorrow for today. In other words, you need to tear down old structures that are already rotten rather than trying to hang onto them. It would be better to tear down and build new than hang on to a system that is already falling apart.
C. B. Alan wow thank you for clarifying. Definitely see what your saying now a lot better.
@@tomorrowsveggies296 You're welcome.
Teddy bears
Better and new business management is needed it should be different than how the modern business is being run
If a flower man infuriates the mainstream narrative or elites opinion it means bad for his business nor can he interact with people that disagrees with the elites on policies
Furthermore to work at the business people have to work for the establishment and the narrative it propose, the narrative of establishment and conduct is flawed and that could lead to business crushing and another reason business would fail as it used social programming with its products.
The best way to example would be if comic creator wants to work in the industry he has to serve the elites who put him there and the narrative of the elites . This business plan is not sustainable and is in a bridge prone to crash so better alternative is needed.
The comic artists distances himself from truth and becomes a gatekeeper a subversion agent to maintain peace but the crash happens yet because the business model of the elites were flawed and not sustainable over a long period of time. Now if we replace comic book with society..
New ways of governing is needed new ways of banking is needed , people need to decide whether they want usury or not
and people need to find an alternative to mark of the beast system
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Too Abrahamic, no mention of Kali Yuga...
But pretty good overall.
Even in the notion of the Kali Yuga, I don't think it is any good in accelerating the process.
Shut the fuck up hippy and fuck off back to your incense sticks.
Absolute nonsense
St Seraphim of Sarov vs boogaloos/ antifa/BLM. I choose peace.
IMO:
Work on your presentation. Quit the coffee or whatever stim you're using. I can't get more than a few minutes into your show before it gives me a caffeine headache. And put less gusto into your "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"'s. It is possible to think about your next line, silently. I've always been interested in this topic, but your presentation has these elements that are so distracting, I can't hear past it to register anything you're saying.