EMTB has made a huge difference to me as I had a M/C accident some years ago and have limited leg movement around the knee Love the ability to get on an bike and just ride for hours without my knee blowing up 👍👍👍👍👍👍🇦🇺
A great follow-up to an excellent documentary. I'm working in the Middle East and looking forward to getting home to Grand Junction, Colorado, and getting back into mountain biking. In my earlier life my buddies and I used to race down the fire trails of California on our Schwinn Stingrays with the chopper handlebars. I can even remember when someone got smart and threw some motocross handlebars on the frames. The rest is history. Still some embt haters out there though. I told a mountain biker friend of mine I was looking to buy an embt when I got home later this summer and the venom was deadly. I sent him a link to your Summit to Sea episode and told him this is what I was looking to do. That seemed to have calmed down a bit. Looking at a 2019 Commencal Meta Power 29. That should make him a convert; I know I'll like it. Let me know if you get out my way to ride Moab in 2021. While I can't keep up yet I can direct you to some good brew houses for a pint(or two, three, four.....). BTW, the Bureau of Land Management is taking comments regarding allowing Class I mountain bikes onto existing acoustic mountain bike trails. I heartily recommend all my American brothers and sisters take the time to go online and support the idea. There's strength in numbers so let's inundate them with comments. While you're at it, let the Dept of Agriculture (Forest Service) know their 2005 laws governing the use of bikes on trails are obsolete as well. Currently emtb's are only allowed on the Forest Service trails approved for motorcycles and four-wheelers. Cheers mates.
The only thing Specialized (and many other manufacturers) missed per the Display usefulness/demand is that of TRAIL NAVIGATION! Having a display with a QUALITY Trail Navigation display built on or built INTO the bike is coming ...and will be AMAZING!
I live in an area where it is as flat as **** with no hedges, as soon as the wind comes out to play you are peddling at 5mph. With an ebike it means I can still get a decent ride in, When it’s windy on an ordinary bike I probably wouldn’t be able to manage 10 miles with an E bike I can do a 30 mile ride and not need the paramedics. A lot of people don’t realise when it’s flat and windy you have to pedal all the time and having an E bike helps. I have a Levo that I bought just before lockdown so I’ve got to stick to the flat until I can start travelling again and I can’t wait to get it on the hills.
I've never had as much fun mountain biking since I got my Turbo Levo 2020. I still love my analog Yeti SB5c, but eBikes are in a league of their own. I really invite anyone who hasn't tried one to go and demo an eBike, and just then make a judgement about them. Cheers!
Haibike till I die...specialized?? A 12 grand Ebike?. If you want a carbon mtb why go E at all?. ..ok for doctors or barristers or stock traders... The prole bike is the haibike....all the Californians have moved to Switzerland... hahahaha
@@christopherogley1714 12 grand? Ya how about 5500 for a turbo levo. I have ridden several 6500$ and up haibikes. They don't hold a candle to a Levo. Ridden both back to back no comparison. Haibike is cheap junk
Hey Brother... been waiting for part 2 and did not disappoint. Thanks for the great information into the past...present... and future of the great life of Ebikes. Very Exciting !!!
Interesting series following the time line development of emtb. Was a shame you had to edit in a lot of repeated interview footage from part1 (our memories aren’t that bad - yet!)🥴
Just think of the blast you could have had if you had gone with haibike...you may have been able to keep up......we all ride 1 or the other round here..the rest are irrelevant to us.....it's haibike for the proles n specialized for the oligarchy...:-):-):-)
Another great episode; I just gotta get one of those Specialized. My 250W mid-drive hardtail only has 52 newton-meters. I’m 63, so could use that extra power on the hard climbs.
Brilliant vid that good insight to emtb world!👍👍 I'm still deciding which brand to go for for my first emtb!.. i remember 2015 seeing & having a short test ride on the Specialised with the first I believe integrated battery in the frame not sure which model but it was matt green & gave me a big smile factor 😀
Another early eMtn Bike name in America was Felt from California. His Bosch powered mtn bike was shown at the 2014 Sea Otter Classic Laquna Seca Ca. Mr Felt was there and talking with him he was excited about this new technology although he did say he got pushback from others. I was able to demo it there and really liked it but I don't think it ever made it to market, so I went with Haibike/Bosch the dominante leaders in 2014.
Nice, now how about a comparison of the many different approaches to the rear suspension layout? Which works 'best' and why.....unless I've missed it somewhere?
High end bike manufacturers now see a much wider consumer base with the integration of electric assist power because everyone will want one just for the nostalgia of being able to ride their bikes again even for just one day
“I would not give my rotating field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable... A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come”
You guys are great..but how the hell did you miss the vlt norco by far one of the best looking best riding e mountain bikes made .try one steve pleeezz
Most of us there might be a better chance of us buying E bikes . when they have more than just peddle assist. I like the option of being able to just go all throttle . one bike i don't see mentioned by you guys much is the Sondors Rockstar .
Both Yamaha and Bosch have minimal displays and few buttons to get confused by. You don't have to buy the bikes with the biggest displays. I don't feel like the display on my PW-SE equipped Haibike gets in the way. Those that insist on having controls on the frame or near the battery just do it to be different. Of course someone like Specialized are going to claim this is leading innovation. This mini-documentary would have been twice as good without the interviews with the guys from Specialized. They were in full PR mode the whole time instead of just talking about the industry in clear unbiased terms.
I've got the money waiting. It the 16 mph limit that is holding me back.we need to fall in line with the USA and up it to 27 I wouldn't drive to work ever again
Only biggest put off is a price for a lot of people who would love to own emtb but decent completion is way to expensive... At least for me like 2k euro its not cheep
Hmmmmm. I'm running into more people on the trail that think if I e-mtb i can go anywhere moms with kids on non e-mtb bikes go figure. And of course the...! If i use turbo mode all the time riders because they have never been on a trail. Ever...! Please don't misinterpret my desire to ride an e-mtb. It's like when you think you have the fastest motocross bike at the race then a Kawasaki shows up..! You gotta have one cuz it blew your helmet off as it flew by your bultaco.. Rob Warner said it on your show.. emtb greatest thing ever to happen to mtb. Come on Rob you don't make it any easier on us non climbers. Damn it...
"Black, red and yellow, very German..." No dude, this three colors you are looking for, the colors of the German flag, are black, red and gold (there is a very clear historical background to these colors, deeply rooted in the national history of Germany, google it). For a designer (sic!), living in Munich, it is kind of embarrassing not to know the difference, especially if these colors are important for your company's brand. Fun fact: I'm aware that this is not his intention, but "black, red and yellow" is how parts of the German far-right describe the colors of the flag in order to offend and discredit the modern German democracy. Working for a German company, it might be smart to avoid such hidden cultural traps, especially if a significant part of your target group is German. Maybe the guys from Haibike communications can explain it to him. "The guys buying the really expansive bikes..." often have an very decent education and are aware of historical facts. Many of us do care.
I find the color mix of the German and Belgian flags ugly. Red white and blue that many countries share is more pleasing to the eye as is the Latvian flag which substitutes black for red.
Hit me hard just to buy a 2 grand haibike sduro hardseven lol Boy these toys are not for the lower earners! Even at the budget end you are spending a pretty penny.....
You lot are living in your own little over-regulated little world. Meanwhile over here we're riding 2000 watt 160 nm Bafang killer bikes. And planning on hacking those for even more power and greater range.
All that power doesnt help you on technical trails, and then there's the reason why people are mountain biking, exercise. 250W nominal (actually, all those motors generate 500W+) is enough. More power means less range too.
The bad thing about these e bikes is it makes people lazy when cycling, riding 40 miles on a e bike is the equivalent of riding 10 miles on a real bike, I agree for people that are old and disabled that are great but normal people should be mentally strong enough to cycle properly
EMTB has made a huge difference to me as I had a M/C accident some years ago and have limited leg movement around the knee
Love the ability to get on an bike and just ride for hours without my knee blowing up 👍👍👍👍👍👍🇦🇺
A great follow-up to an excellent documentary. I'm working in the Middle East and looking forward to getting home to Grand Junction, Colorado, and getting back into mountain biking. In my earlier life my buddies and I used to race down the fire trails of California on our Schwinn Stingrays with the chopper handlebars. I can even remember when someone got smart and threw some motocross handlebars on the frames. The rest is history. Still some embt haters out there though. I told a mountain biker friend of mine I was looking to buy an embt when I got home later this summer and the venom was deadly. I sent him a link to your Summit to Sea episode and told him this is what I was looking to do. That seemed to have calmed down a bit. Looking at a 2019 Commencal Meta Power 29. That should make him a convert; I know I'll like it. Let me know if you get out my way to ride Moab in 2021. While I can't keep up yet I can direct you to some good brew houses for a pint(or two, three, four.....). BTW, the Bureau of Land Management is taking comments regarding allowing Class I mountain bikes onto existing acoustic mountain bike trails. I heartily recommend all my American brothers and sisters take the time to go online and support the idea. There's strength in numbers so let's inundate them with comments. While you're at it, let the Dept of Agriculture (Forest Service) know their 2005 laws governing the use of bikes on trails are obsolete as well. Currently emtb's are only allowed on the Forest Service trails approved for motorcycles and four-wheelers. Cheers mates.
And you guys are everyone's guide in this revolution- bigup
Yep! These guys are LEADING THE CHARGE INTO THE EMTB FUTURE ‼️
The only thing Specialized (and many other manufacturers) missed per the Display usefulness/demand is that of TRAIL NAVIGATION! Having a display with a QUALITY Trail Navigation display built on or built INTO the bike is coming ...and will be AMAZING!
I live in an area where it is as flat as **** with no hedges, as soon as the wind comes out to play you are peddling at 5mph. With an ebike it means I can still get a decent ride in, When it’s windy on an ordinary bike I probably wouldn’t be able to manage 10 miles with an E bike I can do a 30 mile ride and not need the paramedics. A lot of people don’t realise when it’s flat and windy you have to pedal all the time and having an E bike helps. I have a Levo that I bought just before lockdown so I’ve got to stick to the flat until I can start travelling again and I can’t wait to get it on the hills.
I've never had as much fun mountain biking since I got my Turbo Levo 2020. I still love my analog Yeti SB5c, but eBikes are in a league of their own. I really invite anyone who hasn't tried one to go and demo an eBike, and just then make a judgement about them. Cheers!
Cheers EMBN, looking forward to the next installment
This has been a brilliant mini series.
Specialized truly leading the ebike industry in innovation and integration!!! Not a fanboy of Specialized I'm an Haibike ebike owner. 😊
Haibike till I die...specialized?? A 12 grand Ebike?. If you want a carbon mtb why go E at all?. ..ok for doctors or barristers or stock traders... The prole bike is the haibike....all the Californians have moved to Switzerland... hahahaha
A 12 grand carbon Ebike? Hahahaha ..yes
@@christopherogley1714 12 grand? Ya how about 5500 for a turbo levo. I have ridden several 6500$ and up haibikes. They don't hold a candle to a Levo. Ridden both back to back no comparison. Haibike is cheap junk
Hey Brother... been waiting for part 2 and did not disappoint.
Thanks for the great information into the past...present... and future of the great life of Ebikes.
Very Exciting !!!
Interesting series following the time line development of emtb. Was a shame you had to edit in a lot of repeated interview footage from part1 (our memories aren’t that bad - yet!)🥴
Would be nice if the pictures showed the year of when it was taken
Great story telling Steve really enjoyed it 😄
Well I got my specialized turbo levo 2020 at the weekend. Oh! My! God! What a bike! Love it!
Just think of the blast you could have had if you had gone with haibike...you may have been able to keep up......we all ride 1 or the other round here..the rest are irrelevant to us.....it's haibike for the proles n specialized for the oligarchy...:-):-):-)
Very well done and so interesting to see how things have progressed in such a short time. We tend to forget how much designs have changed.
Thanks for reading my comment Steve :) Wasn’t expecting that.
Emtb future is so bright it’s absolutely awesome 💯❤️!
The EMTB: literal GAME CHANGER‼️
It's a difficult thing to define for a lot of people because the electric bike spectrum is so wide
Another great episode; I just gotta get one of those Specialized. My 250W mid-drive hardtail only has 52 newton-meters. I’m 63, so could use that extra power on the hard climbs.
Excellent videos, cheers. But I was expecting something on other emtb specific components like suspension.. Maybe a part 3..?
Great work with putting together these interviews!
That guy from haibike is spot on on every aspect of emtb
Can't wait to afford one !
😍😎👍😎😍😎😍😎👍
Brilliant vid that good insight to emtb world!👍👍 I'm still deciding which brand to go for for my first emtb!.. i remember 2015 seeing & having a short test ride on the Specialised with the first I believe integrated battery in the frame not sure which model but it was matt green & gave me a big smile factor 😀
Now thats what I'm talking about knowledge dropping on the tech front, lately living up to be a top top channel in my eyes turned it round.
Another early eMtn Bike name in America was Felt from California. His Bosch powered mtn bike was shown at the 2014 Sea Otter Classic Laquna Seca Ca. Mr Felt was there and talking with him he was excited about this new technology although he did say he got pushback from others. I was able to demo it there and really liked it but I don't think it ever made it to market, so I went with Haibike/Bosch the dominante leaders in 2014.
@embn we need a part 3 the story continues
Nice, now how about a comparison of the many different approaches to the rear suspension layout? Which works 'best' and why.....unless I've missed it somewhere?
High end bike manufacturers now see a much wider consumer base with the integration of electric assist power because everyone will want one just for the nostalgia of being able to ride their bikes again even for just one day
Great series
Can i ask a question. Why is no one reviewing the Giant Trance E+ bikes.
Love my Trance
Just got my trance e+2 and it s awesome. New motor is perfect and the color is amazing. Value for money i think you won’t find something better
Maybe Giant don't employ a social media manager. Someone's gotta woo those influencers!
Thanks! A great story.
Great video
“I would not give my rotating field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable... A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come”
Love my Trance E +Pro
Haibike Flyon with extended battery is a mountain Monster . For everyday mtb Brose S-Mag is more than enough .
Really great and where ia it going from here
You guys are great..but how the hell did you miss the vlt norco by far one of the best looking best riding e mountain bikes made .try one steve pleeezz
Most of us there might be a better chance of us buying E bikes . when they have more than just peddle assist. I like the option of being able to just go all throttle . one bike i don't see mentioned by you guys much is the Sondors Rockstar .
pedal vs peddle
Minimalist cockpit: GOOD CALL‼️
Both Yamaha and Bosch have minimal displays and few buttons to get confused by. You don't have to buy the bikes with the biggest displays. I don't feel like the display on my PW-SE equipped Haibike gets in the way. Those that insist on having controls on the frame or near the battery just do it to be different. Of course someone like Specialized are going to claim this is leading innovation. This mini-documentary would have been twice as good without the interviews with the guys from Specialized. They were in full PR mode the whole time instead of just talking about the industry in clear unbiased terms.
Are miwolf bikes good marks
A motor recall could kill a company you say? I'm looking at you, Brose.
I've got the money waiting. It the 16 mph limit that is holding me back.we need to fall in line with the USA and up it to 27 I wouldn't drive to work ever again
this, the EU nanny limit of 25kph is laughable, I'd be happy with 33, that's the sweet spot.
XLnt!
no giant dirt E+ from 2016
Only biggest put off is a price for a lot of people who would love to own emtb but decent completion is way to expensive... At least for me like 2k euro its not cheep
Another video downvoted for being stuck in 480p.
Hmmmmm. I'm running into more people on the trail that think if I e-mtb i can go anywhere moms with kids on non e-mtb bikes go figure. And of course the...! If i use turbo mode all the time riders because they have never been on a trail. Ever...! Please don't misinterpret my desire to ride an e-mtb. It's like when you think you have the fastest motocross bike at the race then a Kawasaki shows up..! You gotta have one cuz it blew your helmet off as it flew by your bultaco.. Rob Warner said it on your show.. emtb greatest thing ever to happen to mtb. Come on Rob you don't make it any easier on us non climbers. Damn it...
Is it just a frame? Yeah for the most part all companies differs by the frame. All the parts that hangs on that frame are the same.
Anyone remember Bionx?
I remember Bronx.
Why buy a motor bike for the odd ride, so trying to justify an ebike dearer than my work van! Getting close and look great value now
The turbo Levo is a over priced lemon My goal now is to see how many motor failures I can get before the warranty expires.
The guy at 12:00 was such a muddled thinker. Didn’t have a clue.
"Black, red and yellow, very German..." No dude, this three colors you are looking for, the colors of the German flag, are black, red and gold (there is a very clear historical background to these colors, deeply rooted in the national history of Germany, google it). For a designer (sic!), living in Munich, it is kind of embarrassing not to know the difference, especially if these colors are important for your company's brand. Fun fact: I'm aware that this is not his intention, but "black, red and yellow" is how parts of the German far-right describe the colors of the flag in order to offend and discredit the modern German democracy. Working for a German company, it might be smart to avoid such hidden cultural traps, especially if a significant part of your target group is German.
Maybe the guys from Haibike communications can explain it to him. "The guys buying the really expansive bikes..." often have an very decent education and are aware of historical facts. Many of us do care.
Orange is just dark brown. Have fun quibbling over naming of colors.
I find the color mix of the German and Belgian flags ugly. Red white and blue that many countries share is more pleasing to the eye as is the Latvian flag which substitutes black for red.
Hit me hard just to buy a 2 grand haibike sduro hardseven lol Boy these toys are not for the lower earners! Even at the budget end you are spending a pretty penny.....
Rimac 😂😂😂
Two words I hope to hear: Regenerative Braking
Wake me up when these stupid bikes are affordable.
Love all the ebike hateful. Then they try one. Then they buy one 😂😂
First 🚴♂️♥️
Nop
@@charliew12phaeton28 nope vs nop
Way to go expensive to really go mainstream.
You lot are living in your own little over-regulated little world. Meanwhile over here we're riding 2000 watt 160 nm Bafang killer bikes. And planning on hacking those for even more power and greater range.
All that power doesnt help you on technical trails, and then there's the reason why people are mountain biking, exercise. 250W nominal (actually, all those motors generate 500W+) is enough. More power means less range too.
The bad thing about these e bikes is it makes people lazy when cycling, riding 40 miles on a e bike is the equivalent of riding 10 miles on a real bike, I agree for people that are old and disabled that are great but normal people should be mentally strong enough to cycle properly
bet you still get up off your sofa to turn the tv over by hand.
And don't even think of upgrading your rowing boat/dinghy to a powerboat or jet ski if you're not old or disabled! 🚴💨
Anything to get people out of cars
Right and what's wrong with riding 10 miles on a real bike?
Yes, but you've travelled 40 miles ;)