When you do the full review, please demonstrate having a PDF open on the E-Ink display while using OneNote and the Stylus on the LCD. Basically reading something and taking notes on it while you read. That's a lot of real estate for something so small when you leverage both screens. I guess also confirm the USB-C port supports DisplayPort Alt Mode for connecting portable displays or USC-C Monitors.
penguin272 Yeah I'm asking about taking notes on the LCD while you are using the E-Ink display to view a PDF. This mimics the workflow of having a book open and a notepad on the side. Right now I use the 12.9 iPad Pro with two apps side by side to mimic that workflow. The Yoga Book seems like it would give me more room than that.
E ink sounds like a plus as is the flexibility of the keyboard and its shapeshift ability...I have bought the original android version..It is good to see a company moving ahead with ideas
Great video! Please review it as a professional. The last generation was capable of running Photoshop, but it wasn't having a good time. Please let us know how it performs with Photoshop, Illustrator and Autodesk Sketchbook (pen performance). Also, please show us how to export notes written in the built-in app
I really appreciate your perspective with this device. I'm absolutely in love with it, but without Kindle or Microsoft Store ebook support (and the incredible price) I just can't justify it and can't see the majority of people picking it up either. I worried it would be an idea tossed aside due to low profit, but I'm hoping you're right and its just a concept they happen to be selling and will be making another generation in future.
This is what I have been wanting for years... almost. The next step is a full customizable user interface in place of the keyboard. Editing music, videos, or pictures? Create your own board with levels, bars, dials, and shortcuts buttons. If I was rich, i would buy this right now. As is, I would pay $500 for it. For a fully customizable interface and little more power? Priceless.
This is the best hybrid ,a bit bigger than the Surface Neo 16:10 , USB C , fanless , small thin and light , 256gb , pen and touch both screen E ink is a bonus , Yoga book 3 with Lakefield may even have better battery life This is a dream PC , I have no problems with a glass keyboard , I type slow .
If Lenovo increases the RAM I would buy this in a heartbeat. It would've been acceptable if it's running on android, but 4gb on a Windows OS is gonna be laggy whatever device you're using.
Damnit Daniel, you just made me purchase one! That feels like a dream for my usage. Taking notes during user interviews or while reviewing designs, standard office stuff, reading a requirement document PDF on e-ink. I don't need raw power or even intensive keyboard usage, but Windows 10 + e-ink notebook + pen + portability is just perfect. Sorry Surface Go, you are too slow and too cumbersome to take notes for me.
Absolutely....how is your experience with battery life, that's the only area I am struggling with now...I get on average 5~6 hours per charge with normal usage..which I am not happy with, as recharging it is very slow ...takes almost 2 hours to fully charge. If you have some tips then may I request you to share the same with me? Thanks...🙏🤗😌👍🏻
Have the 1st gen android version. Tried to improve the desktop experience but it is still limited due to poor android support for tablets. Will get this if the price drops below $600. 4gb is low but if I install linux on it, I feel it will be more than enough for most tasks. This thing is super portable and whoever is whining about the keyboard can get the microsoft foldable keyboard if they want. Laptop, tablet, e-book reader, pen support, high res bright quality display... WORTH IT.
this type of notebook looks like the perfect device for students, at least for those who have to read a lot and take notes. Writing a paper? maby not but who knows. Maybe the next gen when it gets cheaper. But wow... I'm so hyped right now. might even beat the surface pro 3 for me personally.
I like this concept, I think it’s great that devices like this are being developed, watched the whole video, until I heard how much it cost! I do 3D rendering, photoshop etc, so I’m always looking at cintiq esq products, I was thinking, oh this is kind of a cool iPad substitute, at that kind of price point, but come on, I can’t afford or justify that kind of money! I do really like the e ink keyboard though!
I'm a teacher and would like to see more about using the device for taking notes. What software is used? Can it do OCR? How can you share the documents? Do you think the next gen would allow annotations on a PDF on the e-reader?
Considering there is no headphone jack... Have they at least included USB C dongles/headphones? As you and I and the world knows, not all USB C audio solutions are universal, which kind of puts a dent in that universal serial bus name...
I'm definitely interested in some benchmarking/performance tests in the full review. I'd really love to see what the trade-off between the m3 and the i5 is in terms of both performance but also battery life. Ideally I'd like to get one of these as a supplement to a work computer for personal productivity (aka lots of tabs) and media consumption, so battery life matters but so does not hanging with more than 3 chrome tabs open (looking at you Surface Go). I suspect a lot of the audience for this will have similar questions about the specing.
I love my original Yoga Book. I have the Android 7.1 version and have few complaints. I feel Lenovo completely lost the plot with this new version. The high price tag, loss of a headphone jack, relatively high-powered processors rather than efficient ones, and no longer including a stylus by default are a few great examples of this. The fact that they spent any resources on that silly "knock-to-open" feature kind of sums it up as well. I was very much looking forward to this, but I can't bring myself to care. A Snapdragon 850-powered version would have been incredibly appealing, as would a version with ChromeOS. Maybe next time, Lenovo.
Luca Bastianello How do you figure? Go watch Daniel's video on the Galaxy Book 2 - th-cam.com/video/7RglNSdYvsA/w-d-xo.html - where he notes how the difference between a typical dual core Core iX U CPU and the 850 is essentially imperceptible, especially when working with native 64 bit applications that fully utilize the multi-threaded capabilities of the 850. "Completely useless" is a woefully uninformed assertion and is simply not the case by any stretch.
@@AlfonsoMantero see the very first model option: "no pen" - www.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/windows-tablets/yoga-book-series-windows/Yoga-Book-C930/p/ZZIWZWBYB1J
I agree, just purchased Yoga Book 1 for my tablet replacement and then some. The whole seling point of this serie should be small, portable. long battery life as convertible tablet and affordable. Yoga Book 2 totally lost it. E-ink is totally just a gimmick now. Last iteration actually is more useful! Plus why couldn't they have implement swipe to type on these keybroads.
Based my experience on iPP 10.5", you definitely can type almost at your normal speed if the layout and the size fit perfectly for your hand..maybe at 70% speed. Virtual keyboard on iPP 10.5" works wonderful for me, since I have super tiny female hands. But with the 12" iPP's virtual keyboard I find my self mistyped a lot. Albeit there's autocorrect to save the day.
Absolutely, I find it quite neat as it eliminates need to clean the food crumbs to get in between the keys...especially while traveling we tend to do multi-tasking. I love this keyboard a lot...I accept that I am not a fast typist...
the key board works excelently at nights. it also works well as a regular laptop. in addition, you can use a regular mouse and keyboard attachment if you like.
Hi Daniel. Very interesting review on this computer. I would like to know more about drawing performance with the Wacom stylus . Also, does palm rejection works well ? And how about the 9000+ levels of pression ? I presently own the original Yoga book and have been very happy with its overall performance . My main concern Is about the price tag of this new machine... Thanks
Promising product! A few questions: - are both screens touch sensitive and usable with the pen? - if you just want to use the E-ink display, is it possible to keep the main screen off? for note taking or drawing - how does the typing compare to something like the Surface keyboard?
yes. you can write on both screens at same quality. normal screen is oof if flipped around, you then can enable eink only. typing is quite well (typing on it :-))
Yeah.. That's ok.. But, for a person tht works tightly with onenote for example educators tht use onenote, wouldn't it be better to just use and annotate in onenote than copy paste every time they had their meeting? It's an extra step, easy- yes, but would be better if we can just use onenote directly..
Virtual keyboard seems to be the future. But no back lighting is a big bummer for me. Still, this is an awesome upgrade from the first yoga book. Will wait for the next one.
If I can have one request for the future review, I'd like to now how handwrite recognition (I heard it is implemented here) deals with different styles of writing and if you can create documents with it comparably fast to typing on physical keyboard.
I’d like to see a review showing all of the features on the e-ink display. Is software on the e-ink display comparable to other competing pdf e-ink tablets, like the Remarkable or Onyx Boox Note?
the haptic is similar the rM with a slight advantage for rM. The note management is by far better on rM but on the YB you can use all the win10 options to sync files - note files are stored as PNG in c:\users\[your name]\appdata\local\lenovo otes (HIDDEN directory)
Yes, it's tough one...if that e-ink freezes up...I use on screen keyboard to reboot. It happened only once so far. Hard reboot is similar to phone..'Power button + Volume down button' for 5 seconds...
Why did they have to remove the headphone socket on the computer? Don't they realise how unreliable Bluetooth is? Why does everyone insist on copying Apple's bad design decisions?
Not all computers have USB-C ports on them, how many desktop PCs have USB-C ports on them? I use the same headphones with lots of devices, my HP laptop, my iMac, my iPhone, my MP3 player, various portable radios and other things, you can't use USB-C headphones with most devices, only some computers and some mobile phones. And can you buy desktop speakers with USB-C ports on them? How about home theatre systems?
There will have to be dongles until those devices have the functionality built-in, just like it happened with the adoption of "Smart TV". Someone had to start the movement and I believe we should be past the resistance state by now.
In my opinion smart TVs have nothing to do with deletion of old standards that have been around for years such as the typical headphone socket. Devices like portable radios and tape recorders are analogue in nature, so features such as USB-C on those devices aren't easily possible. Are you OK with the fact that device manufacturers are removing the headphone jack from modern devices? Because I'm not.
I'm just as ok as with new monitors and graphics cards not having any VGA or DVI ports. I don't see people complaining that DisplayPort made them obsolete.
core i5 and i7 means nothing these days. glad you mentioned it was a y series. just think, in laptops alone theres the Y, U, and H series for i5 and i7 and each one is its own league of performance. intel needs to reset the naming scheme already
Nice video Daniel, would you recommend this over a Surface Go? Given that this one is more expensive, would it still be recommendable to a student over a surface go?
I brought it last week from bestbuy as open box at $550 all inclusive with pen, and it was as good as new. Bcaz, I consider this as a better deal. However , there is one variant Yoga C630 with same processor as Surface Go but better specs (8GB Ram, 128GB ) but without pen at $549 which has incredible battery life. Surface lines are good product but still I don't consider them to be useful as 'lap'top due to their design (keyboard and kickstand ). Yoga C630 is more portable and useful than Surface GO..but the pen experience is not as fluid as Surface GO
How good is the pen? Would it be a good compact replacement for a wacom tablet and pc setup? I think the e-ink portion would be really great if we can use it while running photoshop :)
Yes, the pen is awesome and has very fluid response. And, yes you can run both screens simultaneously when they kept at 200 degrees or less..with pdf on e-ink or for drawing using their latest update to convert the secondary e-ink screen as 'slate' to draw on with pen, where pen strokes are replicated on the main screen.
Is there autocorrect available for the windows version? I never really minded the flat keyboard on the former version, but autocorrect is a must. Unfortunately this feature wasn't present in Windows itself nor in the programms I'd use along.
I use calibre to convert my ebooks to pdf and use this as my ereader too...its nice to read on larger screen and use it as 3-in-1 device...laptop, Tablet and ereader...and it's super portable and light to hold.
why not 7.8" like the Intel tiger rapids ? this 11" will never replace a main pc. With the epub support it could replace my ereader and do mobile computing (mail, office, internet)
Can you read your amazon books on this? like as an e-reader? and does that make you use significantly less battery? That would be the only reason for me to want to get this. Id have both my ebookreader and a tablet with me while travelling. Sure you can read your ebooks on a tablet too, but the battery runs out quick. Say you are travelling for 24 hours, battery life matters.
Only if you convert them into pdf..as of now. I use calibre to convert my other ebooks into pdf and carry with me to read it on bigger e-book ( pdf😉😜) reader...but experience is good. Especially, I love to read my engineering books/ manuals which are in pdf format, which are unusable on traditional 6~8 inch ebook readers..and I pack only this machine with me....its portability is unmatched...even superior than MS surface lines...
I don't look at this as a powerful machine, rather was looking forward to it being the ultimate e-reader and note taking appliance. It really lost that appeal when I discovered the keyboard is missing a light. Really wanted to take notes, read books and run Calibre all from the same device :-( I am rocking a Macbook and Kindle Oasis and this *almost* replaced both! I'll definitely grab the next gen if it can do the things I described, with a temperature changing light in the e-ink keyboard!
The keyboard lights. Im typing this in the dark actually. Ppl just need to spend more time with the device before doing a review. I love my Lenovo and I use it for business.
Question! If the pdf has selectable text can you select it with the stylus and then copy it over to the main screen (it to notepad, a browser, etc)? Basically I just want to know if normal input works on the e ink part and if it's at all "connected" or able to interface with the main screen.
Yes, absolutely....and fun part is, if orginal pdf is in color ,it retains those color in copied portion. It's so useful for me as an professional engineer. With new update for their e-ink screen, it can now be used directly with a pen to write on (not on pdf, but as a clean slate) to onenote operating on the main display. It's freaking awesome, where you can directly convert the e-ink into typed text with auto conversion.
Overall concept is great, rendered useless though when the charging port stops working only months after purchasing 🙄. Was absolutely in love till it stopped working 😭
I’ve been using procreate(phone ver) for drawing for a few years. How is this compared to procreate? Is it possible to get other drawing applications other than what it comes with?
Yes, it does that handsomely. I even tried using indian(US) version where the option for Indian currency symbol (Indian Rupee) is available along side $.
I think it's a pretty neat device barring the cost. I'd be fine with it starting at $800. It'd be interested in knowing if the 4GB RAM is really enough for normal use (using a web browser, Microsoft office, etc.) compared to a i5 series U processor with upwards of 6GB of RAM. And could you also mention the thermals?
I just picked up it for $550 as open box item from bestbuy...last week...and I am very happy with it...except the battery life...and its long charging time (almost 2 hrs) to charge it fully.
it's not a laptop! it's something you can consider a laptop but use as a PC. I have the old one and it's impressive. obviously, it's not my office pc. But last time I brought my laptop with me on a 4 day job trip I did not use it.... (obviously, i'm not a programmer).
Unfortunately you would need an App for that. The present Note taking app isthe only weak link in the Lenovo. Itshould convert automatically to typed text.
It does convert handwritten notes into text /math formula/ graph using drop down menu available on e-ink screen...which can be exported to main screen into notepad, word or onenote based on your need. With new feature added to the e-ink screen, that screen can be used (as a slate using pen) to directly hand write into onenote on the main screen wherein windows ink feature can convert it automatically into typed text. Its nicely integrated experience now.
I have and like the yoga book 1. My mistake was getting the Android version instead of Windows. No support for Android by Lenovo. It got one major OS update and that's it. Lenovo is very bad about supporting it's Android products
Yes, you can...but it will be just like a pdf reader. I do a lot like that as many of engineering manuals are in pdf format and hard to transfer and read into smaller ebook readers. This feature is one of the most attractive one for me to keep this laptop.
is this suitable for students? also can you choose the input on the keyboard? like different languages. can you voice record on it? also can you compare it with the samsung notebook 9 pen and the hp spectre x360? thank you
Using this pen on the screen (not the e-ink one) should be *much* better than HP's pen or even Microsoft's Surface Pen as it is a Wacom digitizer, which is better than N-trig.
@@itsme-jx9xt Depends on what you use it for. It'll be great for note taking, office and internet browsing, but don't expect too much. A safer option would be a HP Envy X360 with an AMD Ryzen 5, as it is more powerful than the y series i5 of this Yoga Book.
What are you doing that 4gb on a portable isn't enough? Taking notes, typing emails, doing a quick power point, watching videos, a simple photo editing, playing the odd game like WoW, Stardew Valley.....
Charger is small like a tablet or cell phone charger. However that makes charging time quite long...no quick charging. With sub-par battery life that aspect creates some hold up to actually keep this awesome device.
No, not with 4 gb of ram, I would just go get a surface with all the ports. Seems like a toy. After you start downloading heavy stuff on it, it will choke.
@@tbayless8324 the most comparable surface to this would be a surface go with a pentium processer and all the keyboard and pen included into the price which would be around 650 ish for the 8gb ram model.
Can you compare the size to the last gen, or maybe other similar-sized tablet like Surface Go or iPad Pro 10.5? Also how is the touchpad? Last gen touch pad, while small, is actually quite responsive, but lacking all gestures aside of dual finger scrolling (and even that, is only vertical). Is this gen include the usual Windows gesture now?
Yes. I saw it on another review, you just turn it into tablet mode, a prompt shows up on the e-ink display saying "Tap to turn off main screen" and yeah, you'll have a nice e-ink reader!
When you do the full review, please demonstrate having a PDF open on the E-Ink display while using OneNote and the Stylus on the LCD. Basically reading something and taking notes on it while you read. That's a lot of real estate for something so small when you leverage both screens. I guess also confirm the USB-C port supports DisplayPort Alt Mode for connecting portable displays or USC-C Monitors.
there is no pdf annotation on the e ink panel possible
penguin272 Yeah I'm asking about taking notes on the LCD while you are using the E-Ink display to view a PDF. This mimics the workflow of having a book open and a notepad on the side. Right now I use the 12.9 iPad Pro with two apps side by side to mimic that workflow. The Yoga Book seems like it would give me more room than that.
@@ruzaroos
You can open pdf file on lcd and write your memo notes on the E Ink
rabah sayed can you edit add notes or highlight on the file when on e ink mode?
@@ruzaroos hey thats a great idea! read on the e-ink side and make notes on the LCD to save your eyes!
Definitely a cool idea for a product. I like it when companies get creative like that and roll the dice by launching it.
E ink sounds like a plus as is the flexibility of the keyboard and its shapeshift ability...I have bought the original android version..It is good to see a company moving ahead with ideas
Great video! Please review it as a professional. The last generation was capable of running Photoshop, but it wasn't having a good time. Please let us know how it performs with Photoshop, Illustrator and Autodesk Sketchbook (pen performance). Also, please show us how to export notes written in the built-in app
I really appreciate your perspective with this device. I'm absolutely in love with it, but without Kindle or Microsoft Store ebook support (and the incredible price) I just can't justify it and can't see the majority of people picking it up either. I worried it would be an idea tossed aside due to low profit, but I'm hoping you're right and its just a concept they happen to be selling and will be making another generation in future.
This is what I have been wanting for years... almost. The next step is a full customizable user interface in place of the keyboard. Editing music, videos, or pictures? Create your own board with levels, bars, dials, and shortcuts buttons. If I was rich, i would buy this right now. As is, I would pay $500 for it. For a fully customizable interface and little more power? Priceless.
This is the best hybrid ,a bit bigger than the Surface Neo
16:10 , USB C , fanless , small thin and light , 256gb , pen and touch both screen
E ink is a bonus ,
Yoga book 3 with Lakefield may even have better battery life
This is a dream PC , I have no problems with a glass keyboard , I type slow .
If Lenovo increases the RAM I would buy this in a heartbeat. It would've been acceptable if it's running on android, but 4gb on a Windows OS is gonna be laggy whatever device you're using.
Damnit Daniel, you just made me purchase one! That feels like a dream for my usage. Taking notes during user interviews or while reviewing designs, standard office stuff, reading a requirement document PDF on e-ink. I don't need raw power or even intensive keyboard usage, but Windows 10 + e-ink notebook + pen + portability is just perfect. Sorry Surface Go, you are too slow and too cumbersome to take notes for me.
Absolutely....how is your experience with battery life, that's the only area I am struggling with now...I get on average 5~6 hours per charge with normal usage..which I am not happy with, as recharging it is very slow ...takes almost 2 hours to fully charge. If you have some tips then may I request you to share the same with me? Thanks...🙏🤗😌👍🏻
How has your experience been
More ports than 12 inch Macbook
MacBook 👉 old T. rex non-touch technology what a joke
Have the 1st gen android version. Tried to improve the desktop experience but it is still limited due to poor android support for tablets. Will get this if the price drops below $600. 4gb is low but if I install linux on it, I feel it will be more than enough for most tasks. This thing is super portable and whoever is whining about the keyboard can get the microsoft foldable keyboard if they want. Laptop, tablet, e-book reader, pen support, high res bright quality display... WORTH IT.
this type of notebook looks like the perfect device for students, at least for those who have to read a lot and take notes. Writing a paper? maby not but who knows. Maybe the next gen when it gets cheaper. But wow... I'm so hyped right now. might even beat the surface pro 3 for me personally.
I like this concept, I think it’s great that devices like this are being developed, watched the whole video, until I heard how much it cost! I do 3D rendering, photoshop etc, so I’m always looking at cintiq esq products, I was thinking, oh this is kind of a cool iPad substitute, at that kind of price point, but come on, I can’t afford or justify that kind of money! I do really like the e ink keyboard though!
I'm a teacher and would like to see more about using the device for taking notes. What software is used? Can it do OCR? How can you share the documents? Do you think the next gen would allow annotations on a PDF on the e-reader?
Considering there is no headphone jack... Have they at least included USB C dongles/headphones? As you and I and the world knows, not all USB C audio solutions are universal, which kind of puts a dent in that universal serial bus name...
I'm definitely interested in some benchmarking/performance tests in the full review. I'd really love to see what the trade-off between the m3 and the i5 is in terms of both performance but also battery life. Ideally I'd like to get one of these as a supplement to a work computer for personal productivity (aka lots of tabs) and media consumption, so battery life matters but so does not hanging with more than 3 chrome tabs open (looking at you Surface Go). I suspect a lot of the audience for this will have similar questions about the specing.
Waiting for laptop notch.
Shhhh... don't give them any ideas!
What have you done!?!
How dare thy!? 🤬
It is a lot more sense to put notch in a laptop than a phone. That area of laptop is not use for anything.
@@TheZaman_ how about browser tabs?
I would like to see more features about this yoga book.
I love my original Yoga Book. I have the Android 7.1 version and have few complaints. I feel Lenovo completely lost the plot with this new version. The high price tag, loss of a headphone jack, relatively high-powered processors rather than efficient ones, and no longer including a stylus by default are a few great examples of this. The fact that they spent any resources on that silly "knock-to-open" feature kind of sums it up as well.
I was very much looking forward to this, but I can't bring myself to care. A Snapdragon 850-powered version would have been incredibly appealing, as would a version with ChromeOS. Maybe next time, Lenovo.
no, snapdragon 850 owould have ruined everything, making it completely useless
Luca Bastianello How do you figure? Go watch Daniel's video on the Galaxy Book 2 - th-cam.com/video/7RglNSdYvsA/w-d-xo.html - where he notes how the difference between a typical dual core Core iX U CPU and the 850 is essentially imperceptible, especially when working with native 64 bit applications that fully utilize the multi-threaded capabilities of the 850.
"Completely useless" is a woefully uninformed assertion and is simply not the case by any stretch.
What do you mean with "no longer including a stylus by default"??? This would be BAD!
@@AlfonsoMantero see the very first model option: "no pen" - www.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablets/windows-tablets/yoga-book-series-windows/Yoga-Book-C930/p/ZZIWZWBYB1J
I agree, just purchased Yoga Book 1 for my tablet replacement and then some. The whole seling point of this serie should be small, portable. long battery life as convertible tablet and affordable. Yoga Book 2 totally lost it. E-ink is totally just a gimmick now. Last iteration actually is more useful! Plus why couldn't they have implement swipe to type on these keybroads.
Based my experience on iPP 10.5", you definitely can type almost at your normal speed if the layout and the size fit perfectly for your hand..maybe at 70% speed. Virtual keyboard on iPP 10.5" works wonderful for me, since I have super tiny female hands. But with the 12" iPP's virtual keyboard I find my self mistyped a lot. Albeit there's autocorrect to save the day.
Absolutely, I find it quite neat as it eliminates need to clean the food crumbs to get in between the keys...especially while traveling we tend to do multi-tasking. I love this keyboard a lot...I accept that I am not a fast typist...
i like the idea of e-ink. i hope msurface copies it
That was a really great early review...liked and subbed.
they have virtual bumps on F and J keys.. virtual bumps. lol
how 😨
lovely laptop, amazing design.
When can we see a full Hands On review regarding the Lenovo Yoga C930 laptop 2 in 1 from you?
when you say the keyboard is not backlit, does it mean you can't see the keys in the dark at all?
correct. like on any e-ink panel these days
I just checked this model on Lenovo's website and it said it had a backlit keyboard included. Is this a upgraded option?
the key board works excelently at nights. it also works well as a regular laptop. in addition, you can use a regular mouse and keyboard attachment if you like.
@@penguin272 actually the Kindle Paperwhite is backlit
Hi Daniel. Very interesting review on this computer. I would like to know more about drawing performance with the Wacom stylus . Also, does palm rejection works well ? And how about the 9000+ levels of pression ? I presently own the original Yoga book and have been very happy with its overall performance . My main concern Is about the price tag of this new machine... Thanks
Promising product!
A few questions:
- are both screens touch sensitive and usable with the pen?
- if you just want to use the E-ink display, is it possible to keep the main screen off? for note taking or drawing
- how does the typing compare to something like the Surface keyboard?
yes. you can write on both screens at same quality. normal screen is oof if flipped around, you then can enable eink only. typing is quite well (typing on it :-))
Ha! That keyboard is by no means comparable to a Surface Keyboard. It would feel more like Android virtual keyboard, but bigger.
can we change the e-ink note application to one note?
not as I am aware of. but you can copy fromn e ink to onenote
Yeah.. That's ok.. But, for a person tht works tightly with onenote for example educators tht use onenote, wouldn't it be better to just use and annotate in onenote than copy paste every time they had their meeting? It's an extra step, easy- yes, but would be better if we can just use onenote directly..
@@TheBibit3 Yeah, would be much better with an automatic transfer imo
In the e-ink screen can we take notes directly when reading pdf document?
Virtual keyboard seems to be the future. But no back lighting is a big bummer for me. Still, this is an awesome upgrade from the first yoga book. Will wait for the next one.
If I can have one request for the future review, I'd like to now how handwrite recognition (I heard it is implemented here) deals with different styles of writing and if you can create documents with it comparably fast to typing on physical keyboard.
I’d like to see a review showing all of the features on the e-ink display. Is software on the e-ink display comparable to other competing pdf e-ink tablets, like the Remarkable or Onyx Boox Note?
the haptic is similar the rM with a slight advantage for rM. The note management is by far better on rM but on the YB you can use all the win10 options to sync files - note files are stored as PNG in c:\users\[your name]\appdata\local\lenovo
otes (HIDDEN directory)
What if things crashes or freezes? Does Ctrl+Alt+Del or Ctrl+shift+Esc works and or Alt+Tab?
keep power pressed until reboot
Reset button
Yes, it's tough one...if that e-ink freezes up...I use on screen keyboard to reboot. It happened only once so far. Hard reboot is similar to phone..'Power button + Volume down button' for 5 seconds...
Very good looking ! I'll buy one if the e-ink has front light !
Why did they have to remove the headphone socket on the computer? Don't they realise how unreliable Bluetooth is? Why does everyone insist on copying Apple's bad design decisions?
It's always fun to make fun of Apple, but since the USB-C headphones are out there, it's time to move on.
Not all computers have USB-C ports on them, how many desktop PCs have USB-C ports on them? I use the same headphones with lots of devices, my HP laptop, my iMac, my iPhone, my MP3 player, various portable radios and other things, you can't use USB-C headphones with most devices, only some computers and some mobile phones. And can you buy desktop speakers with USB-C ports on them? How about home theatre systems?
There will have to be dongles until those devices have the functionality built-in, just like it happened with the adoption of "Smart TV". Someone had to start the movement and I believe we should be past the resistance state by now.
In my opinion smart TVs have nothing to do with deletion of old standards that have been around for years such as the typical headphone socket. Devices like portable radios and tape recorders are analogue in nature, so features such as USB-C on those devices aren't easily possible. Are you OK with the fact that device manufacturers are removing the headphone jack from modern devices? Because I'm not.
I'm just as ok as with new monitors and graphics cards not having any VGA or DVI ports. I don't see people complaining that DisplayPort made them obsolete.
How good is it for students? How are the note taking ability there? Latency?
core i5 and i7 means nothing these days. glad you mentioned it was a y series.
just think, in laptops alone theres the Y, U, and H series for i5 and i7 and each one is its own league of performance. intel needs to reset the naming scheme already
is swipe gesture typing is available ??
No
Yes, only on the on screen keyboard on the main screen...and not on e-ink screen yet....
please design a silicon keyboard cover which has real keys that conducts pressure on to the eink screen
Nice video Daniel, would you recommend this over a Surface Go? Given that this one is more expensive, would it still be recommendable to a student over a surface go?
I brought it last week from bestbuy as open box at $550 all inclusive with pen, and it was as good as new. Bcaz, I consider this as a better deal. However , there is one variant Yoga C630 with same processor as Surface Go but better specs (8GB Ram, 128GB ) but without pen at $549 which has incredible battery life. Surface lines are good product but still I don't consider them to be useful as 'lap'top due to their design (keyboard and kickstand ). Yoga C630 is more portable and useful than Surface GO..but the pen experience is not as fluid as Surface GO
huhu I'd love one of this, Not available or I'm sure it's expensive here in the Philippines.
How good is the pen? Would it be a good compact replacement for a wacom tablet and pc setup? I think the e-ink portion would be really great if we can use it while running photoshop :)
Yes, the pen is awesome and has very fluid response. And, yes you can run both screens simultaneously when they kept at 200 degrees or less..with pdf on e-ink or for drawing using their latest update to convert the secondary e-ink screen as 'slate' to draw on with pen, where pen strokes are replicated on the main screen.
It looks like a cool device, but definitely a very niche product.
Is there autocorrect available for the windows version? I never really minded the flat keyboard on the former version, but autocorrect is a must. Unfortunately this feature wasn't present in Windows itself nor in the programms I'd use along.
You only get auto correct if yu use the display keyboard. There is a button on the regular keyboard that helps you jump to it as an option.
So what the hell is the issue with LTE? They pulled the same crap in the last model. Are the telcoms forcing this?
Have Lenovo said if they will ever support other apps on the e-ink display? If I could read kindle books on it, I would probably buy it.
I use calibre to convert my ebooks to pdf and use this as my ereader too...its nice to read on larger screen and use it as 3-in-1 device...laptop, Tablet and ereader...and it's super portable and light to hold.
128 is better than last year's 64 I would have liked to have seen a Chromebook variant
Interested in display output and a benchmark score out of curiosity. Disappointed it only has 4GB ram.
the last one had the paper support for art this one is compatible ?
why not 7.8" like the Intel tiger rapids ? this 11" will never replace a main pc. With the epub support it could replace my ereader and do mobile computing (mail, office, internet)
Because it's meant to be a secondary device, like a Surface Go.
a really interesting product, certainly a great alternative to a ipad
Can you read your amazon books on this? like as an e-reader? and does that make you use significantly less battery? That would be the only reason for me to want to get this. Id have both my ebookreader and a tablet with me while travelling. Sure you can read your ebooks on a tablet too, but the battery runs out quick. Say you are travelling for 24 hours, battery life matters.
Only if you convert them into pdf..as of now. I use calibre to convert my other ebooks into pdf and carry with me to read it on bigger e-book ( pdf😉😜) reader...but experience is good. Especially, I love to read my engineering books/ manuals which are in pdf format, which are unusable on traditional 6~8 inch ebook readers..and I pack only this machine with me....its portability is unmatched...even superior than MS surface lines...
When is your review for HP Spectre Folio coming?
I don't look at this as a powerful machine, rather was looking forward to it being the ultimate e-reader and note taking appliance. It really lost that appeal when I discovered the keyboard is missing a light. Really wanted to take notes, read books and run Calibre all from the same device :-( I am rocking a Macbook and Kindle Oasis and this *almost* replaced both! I'll definitely grab the next gen if it can do the things I described, with a temperature changing light in the e-ink keyboard!
The keyboard lights. Im typing this in the dark actually. Ppl just need to spend more time with the device before doing a review. I love my Lenovo and I use it for business.
I love this very forward looking device...even in its present form for its 3-in-1 portability and sleekness.
Hey Dan, do you think the touch keyboards will replace the physical keyboards in the future like it happened in the mobile phone industry?
What’s your wallpaper please? 😊
Question! If the pdf has selectable text can you select it with the stylus and then copy it over to the main screen (it to notepad, a browser, etc)? Basically I just want to know if normal input works on the e ink part and if it's at all "connected" or able to interface with the main screen.
Yes, absolutely....and fun part is, if orginal pdf is in color ,it retains those color in copied portion. It's so useful for me as an professional engineer. With new update for their e-ink screen, it can now be used directly with a pen to write on (not on pdf, but as a clean slate) to onenote operating on the main display. It's freaking awesome, where you can directly convert the e-ink into typed text with auto conversion.
Does the ink screen have any other features than note writing, keyboard and pdf reader?
Overall concept is great, rendered useless though when the charging port stops working only months after purchasing 🙄. Was absolutely in love till it stopped working 😭
Oops, thanks for this update....I need to get warranty from Bestbuy for this..😉🤔😜🤗
I’ve been using procreate(phone ver) for drawing for a few years. How is this compared to procreate? Is it possible to get other drawing applications other than what it comes with?
Also, if you switch language will the keyboard adapt itself to the new language?
Pretty sure it would. I don't have one but I'm damn sure you can
Yes, it does that handsomely. I even tried using indian(US) version where the option for Indian currency symbol (Indian Rupee) is available along side $.
Hi Daniel, how does it go running a local version of outlook ? Much lag?
Questions
- can you use the older yogabook pen with it?
- can you boot into a linux livecd (such as ubuntu or linux mint) and how well does it work?
I think it's a pretty neat device barring the cost. I'd be fine with it starting at $800. It'd be interested in knowing if the 4GB RAM is really enough for normal use (using a web browser, Microsoft office, etc.) compared to a i5 series U processor with upwards of 6GB of RAM. And could you also mention the thermals?
It's not enough. It works ok for Office but open some browser tabs and it quickly starts swapping to the SSD.
Just try to avoid Google Chrome and Firefox. Use Edge, Opera or lightweight browsers and you should be fine.
I just picked up it for $550 as open box item from bestbuy...last week...and I am very happy with it...except the battery life...and its long charging time (almost 2 hrs) to charge it fully.
Can you read an edit a PDF on the e ink side while also running an app on the color side?
Yes, absolutely....that's a big plus for me as an engineer to read large engineering manuals on large pdf reader
will it charge from a powerbank?
battery matters for me as i am usually away from an outlet.
Yes, it charges from powerbank if USB C cable is available.
Does the bottom half of the device work as a Wacom tablet like the previous model?
£1,000.00 for a 4gb ram machine in 2018.......no way am I paying that!!!
it's not a laptop! it's something you can consider a laptop but use as a PC. I have the old one and it's impressive. obviously, it's not my office pc. But last time I brought my laptop with me on a 4 day job trip I did not use it.... (obviously, i'm not a programmer).
Alfonso Mantero so you wanted money
Depends to user
Don’t pay in pounds then...
The old one is much better in terms of practical use, it have some use around the designer market
if the battery would last like 10 hours, I would have consider it.. but 5 hours is really too short, specially for a portable device
Battery life on this laptop is really very poor...and it takes a long to fully charge the battery. I big drawback for this handsome machine.
can you draw on the e-ink screen while in pdf mode?
Hi gama from PUERTO RICO, can I work on my graphic design on this with like Adobe programs?
I would recommend getting the old one, since that one is a lot cheaper and have better pen feedback
how is the Chrome browser performance?,
Especially since it can only have at most 4GB RAM
How about not having Chrome? And also it should work fine. My old Thinkpad has 4gb ram and it works fine.
Excellent
does kindle application work?
I get that it makes a digital copy of your handwritten notes. But does it convert your handwritten notes into digital type text??
Unfortunately you would need an App for that. The present Note taking app isthe only weak link in the Lenovo. Itshould convert automatically to typed text.
It does convert handwritten notes into text /math formula/ graph using drop down menu available on e-ink screen...which can be exported to main screen into notepad, word or onenote based on your need.
With new feature added to the e-ink screen, that screen can be used (as a slate using pen) to directly hand write into onenote on the main screen wherein windows ink feature can convert it automatically into typed text. Its nicely integrated experience now.
I have and like the yoga book 1. My mistake was getting the Android version instead of Windows. No support for Android by Lenovo. It got one major OS update and that's it. Lenovo is very bad about supporting it's Android products
Android version is better because windows version run slow
Can you use only the e-ink screen and shooting down main screen for more battery autonomy?
Yes, you can...but it will be just like a pdf reader. I do a lot like that as many of engineering manuals are in pdf format and hard to transfer and read into smaller ebook readers. This feature is one of the most attractive one for me to keep this laptop.
Where do you guys set the power slider to when reviewing battery life?
Hi, interesting PC. Question: how to integrate with OneNote?
Just download the OneNote app or EverNote app.
It's already there, and fully integrated in some practical ways. It works smoothly.
Offtopic:
Is your shirt is like that or you miss button it?
is this suitable for students? also can you choose the input on the keyboard? like different languages. can you voice record on it? also can you compare it with the samsung notebook 9 pen and the hp spectre x360?
thank you
Using this pen on the screen (not the e-ink one) should be *much* better than HP's pen or even Microsoft's Surface Pen as it is a Wacom digitizer, which is better than N-trig.
The Metropolis
Thank you for the reply, is this laptop suited for students?
@@itsme-jx9xt Depends on what you use it for. It'll be great for note taking, office and internet browsing, but don't expect too much. A safer option would be a HP Envy X360 with an AMD Ryzen 5, as it is more powerful than the y series i5 of this Yoga Book.
The Metropolis
thank you very much, i'll search about the hp envy.
For students and professionals....this is the best, provided you are not into heavy gaming or graphic intense apps.
4GB Ram is Joke, Yoga Book 1 Was Already Slow for Me With 4GB RAM
no. it is working better than expected. win10 is performing quite well
@@penguin272 watch my review on yoga Book , 4GB is low for even basic tasks
What are you doing that 4gb on a portable isn't enough? Taking notes, typing emails, doing a quick power point, watching videos, a simple photo editing, playing the odd game like WoW, Stardew Valley.....
can you edit add notes or highlight on the file when on e ink mode?
how big is the charger? why do no laptop reviews show this?
Charger is small like a tablet or cell phone charger. However that makes charging time quite long...no quick charging. With sub-par battery life that aspect creates some hold up to actually keep this awesome device.
Does it have ink to text features can we use Nebo on it please answer
Could you compare this with the eve v and other 2 in 1
Can I use browser on e ink display??
No
I have 2 concerns: 1) Can I have Arabic keyboard display? 2) What about photoshop and illustrator functionality on the go?
Nope... it's a small machine, great for office on the go, but photoshop should be painful I guess.
Yes...both your needs are addressed by this machine, but experience of using photoshop may be a bit compromised....depending on user expectations.
where can you buy it?
Whats the price?
How much? Anything about using monitors or hubs?
starts at 999
Starts at $999. Should support hubs and display out, but will have verify. We only had it for a few days.
any hub using USB.-C
Is there a number pad option
Seems better than surface go
At $679 do Yall think it's worth it now?
No, not with 4 gb of ram, I would just go get a surface with all the ports. Seems like a toy. After you start downloading heavy stuff on it, it will choke.
@@tbayless8324 the most comparable surface to this would be a surface go with a pentium processer and all the keyboard and pen included into the price which would be around 650 ish for the 8gb ram model.
Not a backlit keyboard. It is made of light. Yeah
Can you compare the size to the last gen, or maybe other similar-sized tablet like Surface Go or iPad Pro 10.5? Also how is the touchpad? Last gen touch pad, while small, is actually quite responsive, but lacking all gestures aside of dual finger scrolling (and even that, is only vertical). Is this gen include the usual Windows gesture now?
it is by some milimeters bigger, not worth to mention
They should have gone for 3:2 ,the 16:10 aspect ratio is too narrow in vertical
wow so less hardware for so much bigger price, just because it has to screen, how much cost a e-ink touch display ?
Can we use the e ink with the windows screen off for only reading
Yes. I saw it on another review, you just turn it into tablet mode, a prompt shows up on the e-ink display saying "Tap to turn off main screen" and yeah, you'll have a nice e-ink reader!
Yes...absolutely....and it's a big plus for me as an Engineer....to be able to read fat big engineering reference books / manuals.
If you buy a euro version can you use and us sim card