lets hope the wayland session gets in a really nice shape. i already like how Cinnamon evolves over time. all these tiny QoL changes make a huge difference.
15:20 This is because Cinnamon is missing 2 Wayland standards: - xdg-decorations - cursor-shapes* *cursor-shapes do also need to be implemented on the application's side, so this is not a definitive "no Cinnamon doesn't support cursor-shapes" case. If Cinnamon did support xdg-decorations, native decorations would be possible, but because it doesn't programs are forced to make their own decorations instead. As for cursor-shapes: They are a relatively new standard to tell the compositor which cursor, based on identifiers, to render in the moment.
HWE kernels and Pipewire are really nice to see. HWE is going to go a long way in improving the first time experience of new users. Pipewire is going to be required for video related purposes on Wayland anyways, so they might as well switch over audio to it.
Very good distribution, I have just been trying Mint for the first time in my live in both virtual machines and installed bare metal next to my other operating systems on this laptop. I love both the ease of use as well as the maintainers their mindset to replace everything from Ubuntu that you shouldn't wish on a desktop. Wayland experience is still extremely buggy. On dedicated NVIDIA graphics I just get a black screen with it. When running on running on the builtin AMD graphics it's still super glitchy with all kinds of flashing things, and fractional scaling is possible to enable but results in so many glitches that it gets unusable. No problem. It's really a work in progress, very much Alpha version state I would describe it. X11 experience is fantastic. Just use that, it's fine for now. Good to notice however that fractional scaling is still based on xrandr resolution rescale combined with GTK integer upscale, which makes graphics slower and certain things blurry. Basically a hack and not a true solution. I figured this out because it matters for me. But this issue is one of those very difficult to overcome limitations of GTK desktops compared to KDE Plasma and Qt.
I had to alter the default settings (think I used ALSA) to get rid of the robot voice you mentioned. I have some older recordings which have the robot voice.
I just moved from Windows to Fedora Workstation as a Developer. Mint is a better choice for users who want a Linux OS with an environment similar to Windows OS. Fedora also has KDE Plasma which is built for users at the beginner level. Ubuntu is a clean and modern Linux distro that has a lot potential software on it. But later Ubuntu users complained about Snap Packages. There are many many of distro which built for specific cases such as Kali, Parrot, Centos, RedHat, etc. The usage of Linux requires a lot of challenges depending on distro you are using.
Just reinstalled 21.3, 22 is just too buggy, nvidia graphics not working properly, bluetooth also unusable, could not insttall gmail calendar as packages are not supported yet, 22 not ready for release
Same, plus had freezing issues, printer issues, and my desklets would glitch, crash, turn into code spaghetti, or move around randomly whenever I closed my laptop. I was disappointed, so I'll wait awhile before trying it again.
Linux Mint is based on ubuntu LTS, meaning that towards the middle/end of linux mint 22 the same problem will come up. To remedy this, they provide an "Edge" version that ships with a newer kernel.
hey man great video covered some key features and issues, i use mint every now and then but right now im running cachyos might dual boot when the sort out wayland lol
Nice, yeah hopefully they improve it more and more as I think it will be a great contender for most people if they also continue with the new kernel releases they will be doing Also thanks for becoming a member :) appreciate it
with flatpaks becoming so popular, who needs up to date packages from distro's repo anyway? I don't use mint personally, have tried it and preferred something more, but it's something I actively recommend to people who are fed up with windows and/or afraid to migrate to windows
yeah true, its just users dont know that flatpak has its own packages so if they get recommended to install .deb steam, then they will use the system packages, then they may have issues if they are using a amd gpu, should be fine for now as its mesa 24.0
I tried Wayland the moment it was available after the update. I am using an applet - Ulauncher - but it is disfunctional under wayland. And along with the other issues you have mentioned, that made me go back to X11. I'm was thinking of gaming on my Mint, but maybe I should try a different distro for that. Emulators run fine though.
How is gtk 4 better than gtk 3 in case of apps ? Mint team said they added support for gtk4 theme..so you can still use gtk 4 apps...not just the native ones
Because gtk4 toolkit offers more functionality then gtk3, it's not just about the theme that gets supported, if you look at the native apps in gtk4 form they will have better features and more functionality under the hood, probably better performance also possibly
@@user-sm1jp4en9u idk, they chose to stick with a certain depend which makes it unable to use gtk4 native apps you can read a little here about one of my viewers who was talking about it a couple weeks back th-cam.com/channels/6Ti5WHGVusY4I6iKsX10Zg.htmlcommunity?lc=UgzC3QR4N7sqrkyS0KV4AaABAg&lb=Ugkx0l4_VhTiQjzdpsWL3UDXPJ75nBv3dl6i
Try bazzite, works for me though I’m on a 4K monitor with NVIDIA, still had flickering and tearing on x11 on other distros and wayland is hit and miss in most distros.
The king? I don’t think so. Ubuntu MATE is, as far as I’m concerned. Mint, even 22, which I am currently trialing, is way too laggy & stuttery. Which I assume is in part due to how less mature the code base for the Cinnamon Desktop is.
@@MacDKB hmm yeah intel xe is not in the best shape ngl on linux in my opinion When kernel 6.12 and mesa 24.3 release this will improve with xe driver enabled by default and intels ANV XE improvements with vulkan in mesa On my older intel hardware from 2015 there is no problems because i915 has matured with the hardware im using but for you thats a different story If i owned a xe laptop or a intel ARC gpu i wouldnt be running a LTS distro on it until 4 years from now since mint doesn't update fast, instead i would just choose archinstall and enable the xe driver, install mesa git for newest patches from intels team to get the best out of it until kernel 6.12 and mesa 24.3
@@linuxnext Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember hearing somewhere about the Xe-related issues, which will cause problems for a GPU-accelerated desktop like Cinnamon. I'm already running Oibaff's nightly drivers, which include MESA 24.3. And, I'm also running 6.11 RC6 of the kernel. So I just have to sit tight & wait for a useable kernel from the 6,12 series to try (I don't mind running a test kernel). I'm really curious to see what the performance improvements will look like...
@@zweiwing4435 lt does not exist in arch as its rolling LTS means long term release cycle, arch is always updating so it doesnt have a release cycle Mint updates every 2 years so its a contender for being a good LTS distro
I can't use x11 for gaming so linux mint was always out of the question for me. X11 on amd gives me an noticeable shudders and seems to be worse when running on 120 hz monitor
Screenshot for members were broken at the end WOOPS, thanks members for supporting me! And everyone else for liking or subbing to the channel :>
I tried so many distros, but kept coming back to mint. Don't even think about it anymore. Just works for me and stays out of the way.
Since I started using linuxmint 7 or 8 years ago, it has been the year of the linux desktop for me.
Same here. I distro hoppped, stayed two weeks with the new one amd always ended up back on mint.
No more hopping for me.
very stable yet very flexible. I've installed it on my mom's laptop, works great!
Have you tried MX Linux? Very stable and lightening fast.
lets hope the wayland session gets in a really nice shape.
i already like how Cinnamon evolves over time. all these tiny QoL changes make a huge difference.
15:20
This is because Cinnamon is missing 2 Wayland standards:
- xdg-decorations
- cursor-shapes*
*cursor-shapes do also need to be implemented on the application's side, so this is not a definitive "no Cinnamon doesn't support cursor-shapes" case.
If Cinnamon did support xdg-decorations, native decorations would be possible, but because it doesn't programs are forced to make their own decorations instead.
As for cursor-shapes: They are a relatively new standard to tell the compositor which cursor, based on identifiers, to render in the moment.
hey we've hit 4.45% market share, that's a new all time high!
you should make a video about this huge linux growth!
We shall hit 10% in few years
HWE kernels and Pipewire are really nice to see.
HWE is going to go a long way in improving the first time experience of new users.
Pipewire is going to be required for video related purposes on Wayland anyways, so they might as well switch over audio to it.
I'm glad to discover your channel. You have a new subscriber.
Wayland on Mint is 100%, still Experimental, but great progress!
Very good distribution, I have just been trying Mint for the first time in my live in both virtual machines and installed bare metal next to my other operating systems on this laptop.
I love both the ease of use as well as the maintainers their mindset to replace everything from Ubuntu that you shouldn't wish on a desktop.
Wayland experience is still extremely buggy. On dedicated NVIDIA graphics I just get a black screen with it. When running on running on the builtin AMD graphics it's still super glitchy with all kinds of flashing things, and fractional scaling is possible to enable but results in so many glitches that it gets unusable. No problem. It's really a work in progress, very much Alpha version state I would describe it.
X11 experience is fantastic. Just use that, it's fine for now.
Good to notice however that fractional scaling is still based on xrandr resolution rescale combined with GTK integer upscale, which makes graphics slower and certain things blurry. Basically a hack and not a true solution. I figured this out because it matters for me. But this issue is one of those very difficult to overcome limitations of GTK desktops compared to KDE Plasma and Qt.
I had to alter the default settings (think I used ALSA) to get rid of the robot voice you mentioned.
I have some older recordings which have the robot voice.
I just moved from Windows to Fedora Workstation as a Developer. Mint is a better choice for users who want a Linux OS with an environment similar to Windows OS. Fedora also has KDE Plasma which is built for users at the beginner level. Ubuntu is a clean and modern Linux distro that has a lot potential software on it. But later Ubuntu users complained about Snap Packages. There are many many of distro which built for specific cases such as Kali, Parrot, Centos, RedHat, etc.
The usage of Linux requires a lot of challenges depending on distro you are using.
linux mint 22 is so good, the little changes really help and they finally switched to pipewire
Just reinstalled 21.3, 22 is just too buggy, nvidia graphics not working properly, bluetooth also unusable, could not insttall gmail calendar as packages are not supported yet, 22 not ready for release
I had a similar experience today, installed mint 22 and nvidia gpu is completely borked. Reverting back to 21.3 tomorrow
I'm rolling with Mint 22 on my Dell Precision 7720 with the nVidia Quadro P4000M; so far it's running well for me using version 535
Same, plus had freezing issues, printer issues, and my desklets would glitch, crash, turn into code spaghetti, or move around randomly whenever I closed my laptop. I was disappointed, so I'll wait awhile before trying it again.
Linux Mint used to just never work. Glad they're now shipping with a newer kernel apparently, which will remedy many issues I experienced
Linux Mint is based on ubuntu LTS, meaning that towards the middle/end of linux mint 22 the same problem will come up. To remedy this, they provide an "Edge" version that ships with a newer kernel.
hey man great video covered some key features and issues, i use mint every now and then but right now im running cachyos might dual boot when the sort out wayland lol
Nice, yeah hopefully they improve it more and more as I think it will be a great contender for most people if they also continue with the new kernel releases they will be doing
Also thanks for becoming a member :) appreciate it
@@linuxnext i am interested in where they are taking mint btw my pleasure becoming a member your videos helped alot its the least i can do
I have done a lot of distrohopping, but now there are only two distros for me: Linux Mint and MX Linux.
I got an old HP Z440 running Mint on an NVME pci-e m.2. 32g ddr4 and E5 1650 V3 k2200 Quadro.
with flatpaks becoming so popular, who needs up to date packages from distro's repo anyway? I don't use mint personally, have tried it and preferred something more, but it's something I actively recommend to people who are fed up with windows and/or afraid to migrate to windows
yeah true, its just users dont know that flatpak has its own packages so if they get recommended to install .deb steam, then they will use the system packages, then they may have issues if they are using a amd gpu, should be fine for now as its mesa 24.0
I tried Wayland the moment it was available after the update. I am using an applet - Ulauncher - but it is disfunctional under wayland. And along with the other issues you have mentioned, that made me go back to X11.
I'm was thinking of gaming on my Mint, but maybe I should try a different distro for that. Emulators run fine though.
Yeah try out the latest versions of KDE plasma or gnome with Wayland on like Fedora for example
How is gtk 4 better than gtk 3 in case of apps ? Mint team said they added support for gtk4 theme..so you can still use gtk 4 apps...not just the native ones
Because gtk4 toolkit offers more functionality then gtk3, it's not just about the theme that gets supported, if you look at the native apps in gtk4 form they will have better features and more functionality under the hood, probably better performance also possibly
@@linuxnext why can't mint use gtk4 then ?
@@user-sm1jp4en9u idk, they chose to stick with a certain depend which makes it unable to use gtk4 native apps
you can read a little here about one of my viewers who was talking about it a couple weeks back
th-cam.com/channels/6Ti5WHGVusY4I6iKsX10Zg.htmlcommunity?lc=UgzC3QR4N7sqrkyS0KV4AaABAg&lb=Ugkx0l4_VhTiQjzdpsWL3UDXPJ75nBv3dl6i
@@linuxnext GTK4 itself isn't the problem, its the forced libAdwaita theming on everything.
Try bazzite, works for me though I’m on a 4K monitor with NVIDIA, still had flickering and tearing on x11 on other distros and wayland is hit and miss in most distros.
If you're asking me I already have :P
Great distro, even done a review on it
The CUPS Filters in v22 simply cannot print.
Rip
I've tried using linux mint i just can't stand the de they use. although it is a good distro it self.I always end back up on fedora 40 with gnome
@@ImChaotic1 understandable im not a big fan either of cinnamon
can you make a video on how to install and setup waydroid
That is on my list haha
The king? I don’t think so. Ubuntu MATE is, as far as I’m concerned. Mint, even 22, which I am currently trialing, is way too laggy & stuttery. Which I assume is in part due to how less mature the code base for the Cinnamon Desktop is.
And what hardware is this?
@@linuxnext i7 13th gen mobile, 16 GB RAM, NVME, Intel Xe...
@@MacDKB hmm yeah intel xe is not in the best shape ngl on linux in my opinion
When kernel 6.12 and mesa 24.3 release this will improve with xe driver enabled by default and intels ANV XE improvements with vulkan in mesa
On my older intel hardware from 2015 there is no problems because i915 has matured with the hardware im using but for you thats a different story
If i owned a xe laptop or a intel ARC gpu i wouldnt be running a LTS distro on it until 4 years from now since mint doesn't update fast, instead i would just choose archinstall and enable the xe driver, install mesa git for newest patches from intels team to get the best out of it until kernel 6.12 and mesa 24.3
@@linuxnext Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember hearing somewhere about the Xe-related issues, which will cause problems for a GPU-accelerated desktop like Cinnamon. I'm already running Oibaff's nightly drivers, which include MESA 24.3. And, I'm also running 6.11 RC6 of the kernel. So I just have to sit tight & wait for a useable kernel from the 6,12 series to try (I don't mind running a test kernel). I'm really curious to see what the performance improvements will look like...
How about in Arch Based (THE KING OF LTS)?
How is arch the king of lts 😭
@@linuxnext I mean to know who Arch Base the King of LTS. I am new to Linux.
@@zweiwing4435 lt does not exist in arch as its rolling
LTS means long term release cycle, arch is always updating so it doesnt have a release cycle
Mint updates every 2 years so its a contender for being a good LTS distro
@@linuxnext Remember that I am new to Linux world.
I can't use x11 for gaming so linux mint was always out of the question for me. X11 on amd gives me an noticeable shudders and seems to be worse when running on 120 hz monitor